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---Logopened Mon Oct 07 00:00:52 2013
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00:13<toothe>what are linode's prices on file storage?
00:13<toothe>I was thinking of setting up a file server using linode
00:13<toothe>"in the cloud"
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00:15<dcraig>there isn't a separate file storage service
00:16<toothe>I guess what I'm asking is, what's the price for disk space.
00:16<dcraig>42 cents per GB?
00:16<toothe>is it grown dynamically?
00:16<toothe>or do I have ato allocate a bunch of space
00:16<dcraig>no
00:16<toothe>and then add...okay
00:17<dcraig>you could buy a linode vps and store files on it
00:17<toothe>that's waht I mean.
00:17<dcraig>the $20 linode comes with 48 GB of space
00:18<kyhwana>toothe: It's on the front page of the website
00:18<toothe>ahh, okay
00:18<toothe>ty
00:22<kuzetsa>hmm... so google drive is like 5 cents per month per megabyte, smallest package is $4.99 for 100 GB
00:22<dwfreed>they also don't have an official Linux client
00:23<kuzetsa>hmm, plus it looks like google drive's pricing is higher for businesses
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00:24<kuzetsa>smallest package is $4 for 20 GB if you're a business entity (so 20 cents per gigabyte)
00:27<kuzetsa>dwfreed: does "any web browser" count as a cross-platform client?
00:27<kuzetsa>'cause you can upload, download, view, and edit most google drive content from browser
00:27<dwfreed>kuzetsa: no, because headless servers shouldn't need to have X installed
00:28<kuzetsa>mmm, good point
00:28<kuzetsa>I suspect it wouldn't work well with links / lynx
00:28<dwfreed>s/well/at all/
00:28<dwfreed>they don't have Javascript support
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00:29<dwfreed>and javascript in elinks doesn't work very well
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01:25<swiftkey>dzho
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01:51<jasonmchristos>Does anyone have that page which describes how to backup the entire image through SSH?
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01:52<dwfreed>https://library.linode.com/migration/ssh-copy
01:52<jasonmchristos>dwfreed: Now is this going to be able to be run on hardware or must it be run inide a virtual environment?
01:52<XReaper>jasonmchristos: preferrably in finnix
01:53<dwfreed>jasonmchristos: there's no difference, as far as it is concerned
01:53<XReaper>which you can access using lish :)
01:53<XReaper>hmm, anything special i should follow to roll my own finnix?
01:56<jasonmchristos>XReaper: What is finnix?
01:57<jasonmchristos>There are 4hrs for me to get the Image out and onto my laptop.
01:57<XReaper>jasonmchristos: it's what you get when you boot into rescue mode :)
01:58<jasonmchristos>XReaper: tell me more
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01:59<XReaper>https://library.linode.com/rescue-and-rebuild#sph_rescuing
02:02<jasonmchristos>Ok I mean on the client end XReaper
02:03<XReaper>could use linux, preferrably
02:03<XReaper>there are windows tools if you're stuck with that
02:03<XReaper>or osx :P
02:05-!-espen_ is now known as espen
02:06<jasonmchristos>SO this is green cube lingo
02:06<jasonmchristos>LISH
02:06<XReaper>yup
02:07<XReaper>https://library.linode.com/using-lish-the-linode-shell
02:08<jasonmchristos>Is this the half brain man from texas?
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02:10<jasonmchristos>This is basically the same thing as amazon except $20 per month for what is free on amazon.
02:11<jasonmchristos>Correct me if I am wrong.
02:12<jasonmchristos>My SSL connections keep getting interrupted and it may be at the software layer this is a military live cd which connects to VMWARE servers.
02:13<jasonmchristos>I have about 3:30mins to get the software from linode to test if the interruptions are coming from software or hardware layer in the ISP
02:14<XReaper>hah
02:14<jasonmchristos>I don't care if this is the half brain man from texas, just asking.
02:15<jasonmchristos>XReaper: "hah" ?
02:15<XReaper>never mind :)
02:15<jasonmchristos>Come on let's go!
02:15<jasonmchristos>go time
02:16*kyhwana blinks
02:17<XReaper>kyhwana: kiwi
02:17*XReaper eats a kiwi fruit
02:19<jasonmchristos>Ok I am in the terminal in finnix mode.
02:19<jasonmchristos>First time I m completely unfamiliar with the controls.
02:23<XReaper>:D
02:23<jasonmchristos>dwfreed: What is the smallest default disk image?
02:23<XReaper>https://library.linode.com/migration/ssh-copy
02:25<jasonmchristos>BUt it is going to use dd so it is the raw disk I need to know what size to allocate the raw disk
02:32<jasonmchristos>It is asking for a credit card number already 15 minutes into it
02:33<swiftkey>whats the difference between systems admin and a systems engineer?
02:33<jasonmchristos>payrate
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02:34<jasonmchristos>What a joke.
02:34<dwfreed>jasonmchristos: the smallest size you can use is going to depend on the distro you deploy
02:34<dwfreed>mr_flea: why hello there
02:34<mr_flea>hi
02:34<jasonmchristos>It is free for 4hrs but after 15-30 mins a credit card is needed.
02:34<dwfreed>jasonmchristos: uh, no
02:35<dwfreed>if you don't want to convert to a paid account, you never have to enter your credit card information; the trial lasts 4 hours
02:35<jasonmchristos>dwfreed: uh well after I deleted the linode and try to recreate another it is now asking for a credit card to (continue the free trial)
02:35<jasonmchristos>uh is that kicking the tires?
02:35<dwfreed>you shouldn't have deleted it
02:35<dwfreed>because you only get 1 trial Linode
02:36<jasonmchristos>dwfreed: well it didnt say that and I wanted to change the image size
02:36<dwfreed>so you delete the disk images, not the Linode...
02:36<dwfreed>and it should be pretty clear that you only get 1 trial Linode
02:37<jasonmchristos>no it should not
02:37<jasonmchristos>unless it is stated how shall it be clear?
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02:38<jasonmchristos>there are now zero linodes
02:38<jasonmchristos>so adding one is still 1 linode
02:39<kyhwana>Well, if you delete your trial linode, it's implied you dont want it anymore, so..
02:40<jasonmchristos>even the oil change companies can get the "whichever comes first" part in writing without claiming it should be clear
02:41<sandeep>you were using the trial to download their default disk image?
02:41<jasonmchristos>but linode
02:42<jasonmchristos>it should be clear what is never documented ....
02:42<XReaper>heh
02:42<dcraig>oh god you broke it !
02:43<jasonmchristos>yes I want a default disk image
02:43<jasonmchristos>so that i may keep a secure connection to the server
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02:44<jasonmchristos>dwfreed: are you a bot ployed by linode?
02:45<dwfreed>are you?
02:45<jasonmchristos>let me guess "should be clear"
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02:46<jasonmchristos>Here comes Hoggs!
02:46<Hoggs>Yep.
02:47<jasonmchristos>New support excuse for the day "should be clear"
02:49<jasonmchristos>Amazon offers a free trial and the v-machines can be deleted and new ones made.
02:49<dwfreed>to quote the welcome page, "a Linode cloud server"
02:50<hipsters_>if you're so in love with amazon why don't you marry them
02:50<jasonmchristos>Is there anything better about linode that warrents $20 month?
02:50<jasonmchristos>I was going to "kick the tires"
02:50<Hoggs>faster hardware, better support
02:50<jasonmchristos>But I guess "should be clear"
02:51<Ikaros>I think that's enough for me right there
02:51<Ikaros>I don't put out $20/mo, I put out $40/mo - I found them good enough for TWO, not just one. And I'm considering adding a 3rd into my lineup, because it's well worth what I pay for.
02:52<hipsters_>i have five now :v
02:52<hipsters_>a lot less than some i bet
02:52<Hoggs>I tend to get petter performance from my linode than I do from dedicated servers.
02:52<Hoggs>better*
02:53<Hoggs>Won't get close at amazon :p
02:53<XReaper>hipsters_: quite
02:53<XReaper>hipsters_: some have 20+ :D
02:53<XReaper>and a few larger ones
02:54<sandeep>amazon is also more expensive
02:54<dwfreed>especially when you factor in transfer and EBS
02:54<dwfreed>(and EBS is slow as hell)
02:55<XReaper>dwfreed: yeah, i wonder if the nodes even have a 10gig backhaul
02:55<XReaper>to the ebs
02:56<XReaper>amazon transfer is expensive
02:56<XReaper>i did 1.8TB last month on linode
03:01<jasonmchristos>HOw does the support work for linode?
03:01<XReaper>magic
03:01<jasonmchristos>So I've opened a ticket. Let me guess "should be clear"
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03:02<dcraig>you submit a ticket and as you're typing the ticket, AJAX magic allows the support people to read it as you type, so they prepare a response to your questions, which you receive immediately after hitting the "submit" button
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03:02<dcraig>depending on the synchronization of various clocks, you occasionally receive an answer before ticket submission
03:03<XReaper>^
03:03<XReaper>that was the answer
03:04*Ikaros laughs
03:04<Ikaros>Another troll disposed of?
03:05<Hoggs>dcraig: Actually, or kidding? O_o
03:05<dwfreed>yes
03:06<dcraig>Hoggs, I don't know... it might be true
03:06<Ikaros>You don't know how much joy I take in either watching that happen or actually doing it myself, but either way it's fun to watch trash get thrown out.
03:07<dcraig>a good kick message would have been "looks like your free trial just expired!"
03:07<dwfreed>hah
03:07<dcraig>ops, if you ever need help with kick mesage copywriting, just let me know
03:07*jcurry approves
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03:22<XReaper>dcraig: I don't feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://start-irc-bullying.eu/start
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03:24*dcraig tickles xreaper around a bit with a large yellowfin tuna
03:25<dcraig>how do you like them apples?
03:25<XReaper>:o
03:25*XReaper eats the tuna
03:26<kuzetsa>XReaper: I was curious so I looked at that link
03:26<kuzetsa>most of the pages under than nav menu are "coming soon" but the one I loved the most was this --> http://start-irc-bullying.eu/live-chat
03:26<kuzetsa>"if you don't know how.... haghahahahaha I love it"
03:26<kuzetsa>yay IRC :)
03:26<dcraig>once you click a link to another page, it's impossible to navigate back to the "start" page
03:26<dcraig>(without your back button, of course)
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03:27<kuzetsa>interesating
03:28<kuzetsa>dcraig: I usually take my back button for granted
03:28<kuzetsa>good point though
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03:47<eagles>hey guys :)
03:48<eagles>hey guys what does one need to do to be able to submit a how to for inclusion on the linode documentation site
03:50<@mikegrb>lulz
03:50<eagles>anyone lol
03:51<WormDude>eagles, you might want to put that on the wiki
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03:51<eagles>the community one
03:52<WormFood>yeah
03:52<WormFood>since that is the only one you can edit
03:52<eagles>i think though it would be beneficial as community documentation
03:52<WormFood>there may be legal reasons why they can't put your how-to on the documentation side (like copyright)...I don't know
03:52<dcraig>you could cut and paste it into the suggestion box on the library homepage
03:52<eagles>good idea :)
03:53<eagles>i might just do that
03:53<WormFood>and if you feel it's really helpful, then put it on the wiki too
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03:54<WormFood>personally I feel the wiki is better, because then other people can fix it, update it, and add to it....if it's in the linode documentation section, then only linode employees can do all that stuff, and eventually it will get stale
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03:56<dcraig>yeah because the wiki sure hasn't gotten stale...
03:57<dcraig>:D
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04:07<eagles>how is everyone
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04:09<eagles>what do i need to do to setup 2factor authentication
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04:10<eagles>on my account
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04:10<dcraig>click "my profile" in the top right corner of the manager
04:11<dcraig>you need an app like google authenticator on your phone or whatever
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04:27<dwfreed>hipsterslapfight: you should totally move your IRC connection to your Linode, because your home connection is apparently unstable
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04:27<dwfreed>welp
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04:28<dwfreed>hipsterslapfight: you should totally move your IRC connection to your Linode, because your home connection is apparently unstable
04:28<hipsterslapfight>train internet :/
04:29<hipsterslapfight>goddamn it i'm on the wrong connection, i have znc all set up on linode for this and everything
04:30<dwfreed>heh
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04:32<XReaper>heh
04:33<linbot>New news from forum: [CentOS 6,4] init.d doesn't remove PID on reboot. in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10487&p=60671#p60671>
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04:45<linbot>New news from forum: how to limit the user's size in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10489&p=60672#p60672>
04:46<eagles>hey XReaper
04:46<XReaper>hey
04:46<eagles>long time no chat
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05:41<eagles>i just created a problem for myself :(
05:41<eagles>i disabled the root account before enabling the new user in the sudoers file
05:41<eagles>how can i go about fixing the situation
05:41<rnowak>hire a sysadmin
05:43<hawk>eagles: Finnix?
05:43<eagles>hawk: ok will try it out but then if i boot into finnix how do i access from lish
05:44<eagles>question answered in the manager
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05:47<eagles>finnix seems like a cool piece of kit
05:49<eagles>hawk: finnix didnt do the trick :(
05:50<dwfreed>finnix isn't magic
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05:58<eagles>actually it did do the trick
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05:58<eagles>me being a noob to it dwfreed
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07:19<t27duck>Me: Good morning, me. How would you like to start your day at work?
07:19<t27duck>Other me: Oh I know, let's get ddos-ed! fml
07:19<t27duck>(sorry, just venting at something outside my control and not anyone's fault)
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07:23<@rohara>t27duck: got a case of the Mondays?
07:24<t27duck>i don't. our server admin and ops do now
07:24<t27duck>since like, we're dead in the water
07:24<t27duck>damn script kiddies
07:24<TwoWholeWorms>heh
07:25<TwoWholeWorms>It could be worse. At least you're not Richard Stallman.
07:28<t27duck>at least Richard Stallman has a server he can access
07:32<t27duck>could be worse i guess...
07:32<t27duck>in fact, i can think of at least 5 things that could be different that would've made this worse
07:33<avenj>a woman could cut off your penis and throw it out of the window of a moving vehicle?
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07:35<@jcurry>whereas if it wasn't a woman that would just be another Monday thing? :|
07:36<rnowak>imagine if a duck did it
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07:37<@jcurry>I don't want to imagine anybody or anything doing it... any scenario that involves that would be bad
07:38<t27duck>sigh...
07:38<@rohara>jcurry: "Swiper no swiping!"
07:40<eagles>hey again
07:41<TwoWholeWorms>jcurry: hehe
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07:45<t27duck>so, as a developer and not an actual server admin, how long do DOS attacks usually last? i realize the answer is probably from 5 minutes to 5 days, but i'm curious if anyone has any insights on that
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07:50<eagles>t27duck: it depends
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07:51<t27duck>figured. sigh
07:51<t27duck>wish this kiddy would give up.. he's already getting nulled
07:52<eagles>can you access the server?
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07:56<t27duck>though lish only
07:57<t27duck>IP's null routed on the linode level
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08:04*t27duck looks into cloudflare
08:06<t27duck>i do find it comical (but I understand why it is) that DOS tickets have "TOS Violation" in the title
08:11<rnowak>it is a shitty place to be in on the receiving end
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08:24*t27duck picked a bad day to stop drinking
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08:30<t27duck>i'm going to take a guess and say there's no hidden page in linode manager that can show if "attack is still going on"
08:30<@akerl>The whole point of the null route is that we're dropping the traffic upstream of our network
08:31<t27duck>i know
08:31<@akerl>So the Linode Manager has no way to get the info that would make such a page useful
08:31<t27duck>i'm aware. just trying to make a light hearted comment as that's all i can pretty much do right now
08:31<t27duck>(people above my paygrade are handling things)
08:33<t27duck>which by "handling" i mean "wait for attack to subside and get a backup going, which ever occurs first"
08:33<rnowak>PAYGRADE
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08:56<t27duck>jesus this guy is still going
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09:31<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request: Download Backup/Upload Backup in Feature Request/Bug Report <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8194&p=60676#p60676>
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10:02<eagles>wow its really quiet in here
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10:02<Nivex>everyone was carried away by wild prairie dogs
10:03<eagles>i wish my linode would carry me away
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10:03<eagles>i really need to get testing and developing my own stack scripts for deployment
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10:20<Ahiru>Hello
10:20<ponas>Hi there
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10:20<Ahiru>Is there a default package manager for Ubuntu that I can access via SSH??
10:20<Ahiru>:)
10:20<@akerl>apt-get ?
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10:21<Ahiru>akerl: so I can see which packages are installed?
10:21<@akerl>dpkg -l
10:23<Ahiru>wow, nice list I have
10:23<Ahiru>this command only shows what I have installed?
10:24<Ahiru>my purpose is to use Linode Managed to monitor every service I have on my Linode
10:24<@akerl>How does that factor in to the list of packages?
10:24<Ahiru>but I don't know how to reack each of them via TCP/HTTP
10:25<Ahiru>akerl: good question. I thought one was related to the other. I see I'm wrong
10:25<@akerl>There are a ton of packages, and only very few of them are actually services that run and accept connections
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10:25<Ahiru>ok
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10:26<Ahiru>so, how can I find out all the services I'm currently running?
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10:27<@akerl>Ask whoever installed them?
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10:27<Ahiru>:/
10:27<Ahiru>that's not very intuitive
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10:32<t27duck>jesus... 4 hours... we're dead! he can stop flooding the damn linode >_<
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10:33<rnowak>one linode? you're running something critical on a single thing?
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10:37<gparent>Didn't you know most DDoSers only have the bandwidth for one box? Jeez.
10:41<@heckman>Ahiru: as root run: netstat -plant
10:41<rnowak>you're a plant
10:41<@heckman>Shows what's listening, and what process is listening. You probably don't need to monitor all of them.
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10:42<Ahiru>heckman: thanks so much
10:42<@heckman>np
10:44<Ahiru>heckman: MySQL is TCP using port 3306?
10:44<@heckman>Sounds right.
10:44<Ahiru>ok
10:44<@heckman>But you probably don't want that listening on a public interface
10:45<@heckman>And it only listens on localhost by default.
10:45<@heckman>Even if you have it listening on the private networok, you should be restricting it with a firewall.
10:45<t27duck>rnowak: no, we have fallover. just annoying that it's still going
10:45<rnowak>oh ok
10:46<t27duck>by "we're dead" i was referring to the ip is nulled. eventually I would think they'd notice
10:51<Ahiru>heckman: yea, I blocked it
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10:52<@heckman>Ahiru: well, if you are trying to monitor it (assumed Managed) you need to allow the IP addresses of the Linode monitors.
10:52<Ahiru>heckman: yes, it's Managed. where do I start?
10:53<@jchen>Ahiru: what ip address did you put into the monitoring check?
10:53<@akerl>I'd honestly recommend setting up a web page that checks the MySQL status and reports yay/nay
10:53<@jchen>(the ip that it's supposed to check)
10:53<@akerl>maintaining a static IP whitelist for MySQL has the potential for future pain
10:54<Ahiru>I know I'm doing it wrong. 127.0.0.1:3306
10:54<@jchen>that aint gonn werk
10:54<Ahiru>yea
10:54<Ahiru>I tried my linode ip and didn't work as well
10:54<Ahiru>cause I'm already blocking it
10:54<@akerl>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9746 <--
10:55<Ahiru>akerl: thx. I'm gonna study this
10:58<Ahiru>I'm using LAMP and mail server. what else should I monitor besides Apache?
10:58<Ahiru>I'm monitoring it via HTTP
10:58<@akerl>The mail server?
10:58<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60677#p60677>
10:59<Ahiru>akerl: for this, I should use TCP, reaching through their ports, correct?
11:00<gparent>depends sat what tlevel you want to monitor. some solutions will try firing off an email, others will check if the port is open
11:00<@akerl>Yea
11:00<gparent>similarly for web server you could check port 80 open with tcp or try GET / HTTP/1.0 or another similar status check
11:00<gparent>The world is yours
11:01<Ahiru>:)
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11:03<@mikegrb>lulz
11:03<Ahiru>lol, the Managed team just sent me a PHP example just as akerl's link
11:04<@akerl>Ahiru: Crazy coincidence :P
11:06<Ahiru>ok, let's see. apache, phpmyadmin, mysql, emails... hmm
11:08<rnowak>who monitors the monitors?
11:08<gparent>akerl.
11:08<gparent>They've Got Your Back.
11:09<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60678#p60678>
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11:10<rnowak>how2spammoarefficently pls
11:11<gparent>"I don't know in US, but in Italy this is a threat and I don't like threat."
11:11<gparent>I hope the italien mafia isn't as easy to offend
11:11<gparent>"Reploy your VPS!" *gets gunned down*
11:12<@akerl>"hopinion"
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11:12<Ahiru>akerl: where could I hide the php file? :P
11:13<@akerl>Why do you need to hide it?
11:13<rnowak>hopinion is totally gonna get used
11:13<Ahiru>akerl: err idk '-'
11:14<Ahiru>oh, i know
11:14<gparent>At least he gave some metrics, which is nice. Your service is now exactly 90% worse than it used to be.
11:14<gparent>Hard to gauge without concrete numbers
11:15*heckman is half tempted to request the calculations that brought him to 90%...
11:15<hawk>gparent: "That's a nice vps you have there, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it...", etc, etc?
11:15<gparent>Ahahah!
11:15<gparent>I'll knock your virtual bits over!
11:16<@heckman>I think the technical term is making it swim with the fishes.
11:16<@akerl>I've always wanted to build a submerged computer
11:16<gparent>Sounds like some bad DigitalOcean analogy
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11:18<gparent>akerl: 24x7 or for the geek points? I hear it's quite maintenance heavy.
11:18<gparent>If you weren't joking :)
11:18<@heckman>I know someone who had one of the mineral oil/fishtank PCs and it worked quite well. He just acknowledged ever trying to RMA anything would be a bit of a challenge...
11:18<@akerl>If I did it, it would be 24/7
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11:19<gparent>I had never considered the RMA angle
11:19<gparent>Yikes.
11:19<synapt>sad reality of the 'mineral oil' systems is the heat disipation isn't usually near as much as claimed it can be
11:20<synapt>I've had my system run cooler on air than some of the people I know running the oil setups, kinda funny
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11:26<EugeneKay>What's thre reason for that? Easy to make air move; hard to get "cool" oil to the right place?
11:26<gparent>I own a NH-D14 and do not regret spending any of the dollars i spent on it
11:26<gparent>fantastic air cooling performance
11:27<@mikegrb>lulz
11:27<@jchen>lol gparent i have the same one
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11:27<gparent>this was a few years back
11:27<@jchen>i had to buy my case specifically for it
11:27<gparent>yeah same
11:27<@jchen>i grabbed the inwin dragon rider thang
11:27<EugeneKay>That looks hueg
11:27<gparent>if you were wondering, specifically the H60 cooler from Corsair is a few degrees worse
11:27<gparent>:P
11:27<@jchen>lame name, but it actually turned out really nice
11:27<gparent>lmao no kidding
11:27<synapt>EugeneKay: I think it probably has more to do with the fact that the oil just kind of collectively disipates with no way to 'exhaust' usually, where as any form of fan setup you at least can design where it intakes and exhausts
11:27<gparent>sounds like some bad wu tang clan spinoff
11:27<gparent>I'll look it up
11:27<@mikegrb>lulz
11:27<@jchen>yeah lol
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11:28<staticsafe>*sigh* my set up runs too hot for my liking
11:28<@jchen>what about the whole distilled water thang
11:28<EugeneKay>I'm happy with my $30 air coolers. I don't bother overclocking.
11:28<@jchen>is that still a pipe dream
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11:28<gparent>I think Ill give noctua another shot next computer tbh
11:28<gparent>EugeneKay: Yeah originally it was OCing but it's a great replacemnt for the stock cooler.
11:28<@jchen>if i upgraded now i would buy the same one probably
11:28<gparent>ran my i7 930 @ 4.2 24x7 no problem
11:28<EugeneKay>The stock coolers I throw out because they're too damned fiddly to install
11:28<EugeneKay>Otherwise I would just use those
11:29<@jchen>my i5 3570k runs at 4.0 np
11:29<synapt>stock 2500K here, during fall/winter season will idle under 30C, barely hit 40C at full load
11:29<@jchen>the real test is summer
11:30<synapt>on the humid summer days I might hit 55-60C at max load tops depending if it's stupidly hot and humid
11:31<gparent>I looked around and most people get theirs to 4.1
11:31<gparent>I got a nice chip
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11:31<@jchen>on the i5?
11:31<@jchen>yeah, its rly easy to oc the i5
11:31<synapt>It's the K models usually that are
11:31<@jchen>right
11:32<synapt>I haven't bothered clocking mine since I haven't really 'needed' to
11:32<synapt>2500K even at stock speeds is pretty beastly
11:34<Ahiru>I have a question
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11:35<Ahiru>how to configure my DNS to send me from webmail.example.com to my actual webmail, without the use of symlink?
11:35<EugeneKay>That's not a DNS thing; that'll be a HTTP redirect someplace
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11:40<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60679#p60679>
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11:58<rnowak>>ftp
12:02<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60681#p60681>
12:02<rnowak>"I work in the IT as a consultant for a major company."
12:02<rnowak>priceless
12:06<eagles>why does ftp still exist isnt sftp more secure as it takes advantage of ssh
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12:08<rsdehart>shouting your password from the rooftops is more secure than ftp
12:08<rsdehart>because sound only carries so far
12:16<XReaper>hate getting ungrounded adapters... pita :p
12:16<XReaper>woo
12:16<XReaper>so, let's all install telnet on our linodes
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12:19<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60682#p60682>
12:19<rnowak>XReaper: what do you mean let's? you mean you haven't already?
12:19<XReaper>i mean, i have the client.
12:20<rnowak>telnetd all day every day
12:20*retro|blah takes a look at the forum thread, sees who the OP is, then lawlz
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12:34<EugeneKay>Internet forum: never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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12:37<rnowak>how dare you not let me spam
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12:40<virtual>this is his name in the vanilla linux kernel? http://www.dpsoftware.org/kernel_patch.php
12:41<virtual>I do like how he rar'd a 662 byte file.
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12:43<eagles>sigh :( 9
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12:45<rnowak>bwhahaha
12:46<eagles>i need to fix this :(
12:46<eagles>sigh
12:46<gparent>jchen: no 4.2 is on the i7 930
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12:46<gparent>never had a i5
12:47<eagles>i just got a laptop with haswell cpu and its amazizng gparent :)
12:47<@mikegrb>lulz
12:47<eagles>going to lay down for an hour and then off to work i need a break lol
12:47<ghosticus>gparent is indeed amazing
12:47<eagles>i need to figure out why auth isnt working for this new mail server and its driving me nuts
12:48<eagles>any ideaas would be appreciated
12:48<eagles>im getting this Oct 7 16:45:43 biz postfix/submission/smtpd[3837]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-we0-x233.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::233]: 554 5.7.1 <mail-we0-x233.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::233]>: Client host rejected: Access denied; from=<eagles051387@gmail.com> to=<jaquilina@andppc.biz> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-we0-x233.google.com>
12:48<eagles>yet on my server im able to use authentication
12:48<eagles>no problem
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12:50<gparent>ghosticus: im so amazing they name CPUs after me now
12:50<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60683#p60683>
12:51<ghosticus>d=(~_o)=b
12:51<rnowak>lolvonskippy
12:52<gparent>I see that heckman clearly doesn't consult for a major IT company otherwise he'd be eager to jump in the penis fight.
12:52<eagles>sigh
12:53<rnowak>I see you've still not switched to gardening, eagles
12:53<gparent>rude
12:53<eagles>gparent: i couldnt agree more
12:53<eagles>anyway im off to rest i have been at this all day
12:53<gparent>for what it's worth I still laughed.
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12:53<gparent>I'd like to help but I don't understand your question'
12:54<gparent>If there was one
12:54<eagles>gparent: ill ask it later i need a break i have been at it all day will try a bit later
12:54<@akerl>Sounds like a plan
12:54<gparent>Alright, good day.
12:54<eagles>basically in a nut shell SASL doenst have AUTH showing up when i telnet
12:54<eagles>and the mail server is rejecting emails that im sending to it from google
12:54<gparent>It won't show up until you STARTTLS I thought
12:55<gparent>depending on config
12:55<eagles>its running already
12:55<gparent>I mean STARTTLS as in the thing that promotes your session to TLS from plaintext after you connect to port 25
12:55<eagles>this is on my server 250-STARTTLS 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
12:55<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60684#p60684>
12:55<gparent>right
12:55<eagles>whats missing on the other server no auth plain login showing up for some reason
12:56<gparent>And what if you use openssl to connect and perform STARTTLS?
12:56<gparent>does AUTH show then?
12:56<eagles>no
12:56<gparent>So you connected with openssl s_client?
12:56<eagles>im using saslauthd
12:57<gparent>on my server AUTH doesn't show up until I STARTTLS. Which you can't find out connecting through plain telnet unless you're some sort of amazing keyboard warrior ninja who can do SSL on the fly
12:58<eagles>ok how do i start ttls
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12:59<@akerl>Pull the rip cord?
12:59<gparent>I don't remember the exact commands and I'm on 3g, but openssl s_client should allow you to do it automatically if you find the proper command line on the web
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12:59<gparent>Once it does the connection you'd type the SMTP commands as uaul
12:59<gparent>usual*
12:59<gparent>I've done it before so I know it works, I just don't remember the details for having it handles STARTTLS once it sees it on the line
13:00<gparent>handle*
13:00<eagles>i have done it before
13:00<eagles>gparent: i know it works on my other server
13:00<rnowak>if only manpages existed
13:00<gparent>right but we want to fix the one where it doesn't work.
13:00<gparent>rnowak: I can't do *all* the work!
13:00<rnowak>gparent: I didn't mean you should look at it :>
13:00<@akerl>If only you had a known-good set of configs somewhere that you could reference
13:00<gparent>eagles: config could help, have you differed both your configs?
13:00<@mikegrb>lulz
13:00<gparent>yeah lol
13:00<eagles>akerl: i do on my server
13:00<@akerl>Well, a "known-(better-than-these)"
13:00*rnowak facedesk
13:01<gparent>rnowak: wasn't sure :)
13:01<eagles>actually thats not a bad idea ill diff the various configs :)
13:01<eagles>will do that now :)
13:01<gparent>hint: --unified
13:01<rnowak>you didn't think about that yourself?
13:01*akerl hands rnowak the glue
13:01<rnowak>quite, back to desking and glueing
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13:42<crjob>Swap is slowly but steadily rising on my node
13:42<crjob>munin screenshot, http://cl.ly/image/2A20091X1q0P
13:42<crjob>how would you analyze this further, what's causing this?
13:42<@akerl>Yea, that's pretty much how it works
13:43<crjob>so this is normal?
13:43<crjob>why?
13:44<@akerl>Because the OS is caching stuff?
13:44<crjob>hmm ok
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14:43<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60685#p60685>
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14:57<MotoHoss>apache 2.6.4 localized-error-pages.conf is giving me a problem. I followed what I thought it said do ... and it doesn't work. :( so maybe I didn't do it right or... it fails to give proper and/or complete details. I just want to customize the look of the defaults....
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14:57<gparent>Never modified that page myself but you'll have to give a minimum of info, as it is we don't know what the error is.
14:58<gparent>Like what details do you expect show up, what do you see instead, what have you modified, what was the intended goal
14:59<MotoHoss>well apache the eror logs unavle to include "include/top.html"
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15:01<MotoHoss>errors are at p.linode.com/8152
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15:05<MotoHoss>I can paste the localized-error-pages.conf as well... if it'll help. All I really want to to is change the background color... but I did want to do it like it says do it rather than edit the files 'in place' and get them overwirriten if it ever gets reinstalled... etc...
15:07<MotoHoss>I went ahead and pasted it... p.linode.com/8153
15:09<gparent>pasting the config of what's broken will help, though I'm trying to solve some stupid Clipper things at the moment
15:10<gparent>did you check if there was the full path of what it's trying to read in error log? I think error should state permissions denied if it were a permission problem so maybe just look if the file is actually there relative to (I presume) your web root?
15:11<gparent>Does this path exist? "/usr/local/share/apache2/error/include/"
15:11<MotoHoss>yes it does.
15:12<gparent>Are you the one who wrote top/html?
15:12<gparent>top.html?
15:12<MotoHoss>yep.
15:13<gparent>is it at /usr/local/share/apache2/error/include/top.html ?
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15:15<linbot>New news from forum: Disappointed from the customer service and from the backup. in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10480&p=60687#p60687>
15:16<MotoHoss>technically those files (/usr/local/share/apache2/error/include/*) are owned by root.staff and not root.root like the ones in /usr/share/apache2/error/include/
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15:22<eagles>hey again guys
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15:25<eagles>im going to diff the config files and see if i find anything of interest
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15:28<gparent>--unified
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15:29<gparent>if you're like me you become mentally challenged when faced with uncolored non-unified diffs
15:29<gparent>(not really, I just like unified format better)
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15:45<eagles>gparent: i think a cool feature of diff be able to somehow diff a file on a remote machine with one on the local server
15:45<gparent>I think we differ greatly.
15:45<@mikegrb>lulz
15:45<eagles>lol
15:45<gparent>That was the worst unintended pun of the century.
15:45<gparent>Please don't laugh.
15:46<gparent>That being said, you could also copy the file
15:46<@akerl>eagles: If only such a tool existed -.-
15:46<gparent>there's probably some fancy piping action you can use too
15:47<eagles>does one exist as i need it for a script im writing
15:47<eagles>for work
15:47<eagles>gparent: only way i found is out put the content of one directory to a file the copy it over sftp or something and then run the diff on one machine
15:47<gparent>I'm not sure if there's a smarter way, but why can't you just copy the file?
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15:48<eagles>gparent: for work its a directory im going to run a diff on what files are on one machine compared to whats on the other
15:48<@akerl>https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=remote%20diff
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15:48<gparent>https? that will KILL my roaming charges.
15:48<eagles>akerl: exactly :)
15:49<eagles>nice to know im on the same page at least on what i found research wise
15:49<eagles>gparent: basically
15:49<@akerl>I'm glad I had the privilege of using google for you
15:49<eagles>i have used it as well
15:49<gparent>Technically akerl never mentioned on which page he found the result.
15:49<gparent>Could be any!
15:49<eagles>found the same results
15:49<@mikegrb>lulz
15:49<eagles>gparent: diff foo <(ssh myServer 'cat foo') thats all you would really need to do lol
15:49<gparent>yep, thats the fancy piping action I was referring to
15:50<gparent>Though I have some sort of brain defect which makes me forget the < syntax.
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15:55<eagles>gparent: i get the piping syntax confused as well
15:56<gparent>I don't get it confused I just forget that < exists, except when patching the linux kernell
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16:26<MotoHoss>I just edited those 3 files in place, copied them to t *.html.local... that way if they ever get overwritten in an update I'll have them handy to easily 'restore'.
16:28<baconcake>That's not an effective backup strategy.
16:31<eagles>gparent with a unified diff how do i tell what file is hwat
16:31<eagles>what
16:32<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE
16:32<baconcake>Yaakov!
16:32<Ikaros>Don't encourage him.
16:33<Yaakov>Howdy.
16:33<eagles>hey Yaakov
16:33<Nivex>Why not? The world needs more love.
16:33<baconcake>YAAAKKKOOOOVVVVVV
16:33<Ikaros>Too much love if you ask me.
16:33<baconcake>imposibru!
16:33-!-fuiufv [~Sam.Spade@p5B259985.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:33<Ikaros>Speak English or face my wrath
16:34<Yaakov>Howdy, eagles.
16:34<Nivex>Warum muß ich spreche Englisch?
16:34<@mikegrb>lulz
16:34<eagles>lol
16:34<baconcake>Supplies!
16:34*Ikaros facepalms
16:34<Nivex>"Lady, I only speak two languages: English and bad English."
16:34<Ikaros>That works.
16:35<Nivex>Name that movie.
16:35<eagles>i dont have time to name that movie
16:35<baconcake>Korbin Dallas
16:35<Ikaros>The Fifth Element
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16:35<baconcake>Muuultipaasss
16:36*Nivex gives Ikaros 10 Internets
16:36<Ikaros>He named the guy, I named the movie.
16:36<Ikaros>:P
16:38<Ikaros>Old quote, but good quote.
16:39<eagles>god i cant wrap my head around diffing from the command line
16:40<kyhwana>I am a meat popsicle
16:41<Ikaros>Wonder how that tastes.
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16:43<eagles>anyone up to help me decipher some diff's
16:43<eagles>on at least 4 files
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16:45<eagles>nm
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16:56<eagles>any email experts in here?
16:56<eagles>i really need help figuring this out
16:56<eagles>i keep getting emails bounced back instantly with the following error and it seems to happen to all domains i have tried with gmail and my own personal domain
16:56<eagles><jaquilina@andppc.biz>: host mail.andppc.biz[176.58.120.65] said: 554 5.7.1 <eagleeyet.net[176.58.122.69]>: Client host rejected: Access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
16:57<eagles>it seems like AUTH when i telnet isnt there :(
16:57<eagles>any ideas where i need to fix this issue
16:57<gparent>eagles: it says it at the top
16:57<eagles>?
16:58<eagles>top of what
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16:58<eagles>gparent: ^
16:58<gparent>the output
16:58<gparent>of diff
16:59<gparent>it should say -a/path/to/file and +b/path/to/file or similar
16:59<eagles>i figured that out
16:59<gparent>+ lines are lines only in file b
16:59<eagles>they match
16:59<eagles>i used -y to do two columns
16:59<gparent>so there's no output at all, the files are identical?
16:59<eagles>yes
16:59<gparent>have you checked master.cf
16:59<eagles>it seems like it has something to do with authentication
16:59<eagles>gparent: yes identical
16:59<eagles>to the one on my working server
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17:00<Ikaros>So let's see...
17:00<gparent>there's also a sasl-passwords file (at least that's the name I commonly see in tutorials)
17:00<gparent>depending how you store passwords
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17:01<ghosticus>plaintext
17:01<eagles>gparent: im using the ubuntu documentation
17:01<eagles>let me check one last place in terms of docs
17:01<Ikaros>This occurs after you try to AUTH?
17:01<Ikaros>(and proceed as usual)?
17:01<Ikaros>Or are you not AUTHing at all?
17:01<eagles>im using sasl
17:01<Ikaros>Ah.
17:02<eagles>i dunno when its happening
17:02<eagles>i send an email instant return to sender
17:02<eagles>with the error i pasted above
17:02<Ikaros>hm
17:02<Ikaros>Maybe I can pull a few similar examples off my mailserver logs, which uses a fairly similar setup.
17:03<eagles>i think i found what im missing
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17:04<eagles>or not
17:04<@mikegrb>lulz
17:04<Ikaros>...lol, stupid spammers, hit my superior ACLs and fail utterly.
17:05<@mikegrb>lulz
17:05<eagles>lol
17:06<eagles>Ikaros: your dnsbl's
17:06<eagles>i think its a sign to let sleeping dogs lie and continue on it tomorrow
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17:07<Ikaros>Heh.
17:07<Ikaros>Well it's pathetic really how hard they try.
17:08<Ikaros>Even trying tricks as to HELO as my server IP, which of course won't do a thing.
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17:09<eagles>i dunno what im going to do about this mail server
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17:09<eagles>last thing i can think of purge postfix and dovecot and start again
17:10<eagles>i have the ports open on the firewall or ufw if you woudl call that a firewall
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17:13<eagles>Ikaros: in theory should the configs be more or less the same if i copy and paste the configs from the working machine to the new machine no?
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17:14<linbot>New news from forum: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10490&p=60688#p60688>
17:16<Ikaros>I generally don't do that unless it's the same distro, same version of software, same method of installation (e.g package), but I'd say probably so if all 3 of those are true.
17:17<kyhwana>hmm, myrealdomain.org doesn't exist
17:17<ghosticus>time for XReaper to swoop in?
17:18<eagles>Ikaros: which in my case it is but im purging taking a snapshot and starting again
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17:20<eagles>the backup system must be getting hit hard damn thing is being rather sluggish for a snapshot
17:21<dwfreed>it's much more likely to bue due to number of files in your disk image
17:22<dwfreed>s/bue/be/
17:22<eagles>dwfreed: new linode
17:22<eagles>only has a 26.6mb website on it
17:22<dwfreed>doesn't matter
17:22<eagles>thats odd
17:23<eagles>almost 4 min for a snapshot where as my node has almost 3gb of stuff takes about 2 min to snapshot
17:23<dwfreed>...
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17:24<dwfreed>that's not a noticeable speed difference
17:24<eagles>what im trying to say is how is a node wiht hardly anything on it take loonger to snapshot then one that has alot of stuff on it
17:24<gparent>taking an extra minute isn't significant to me, I'd consider it load, simple.
17:25<gparent>Just like I don't panic when apt-get update takes a few more seconds to run
17:25<dwfreed>^
17:25<gparent>Actually I do panic, but I know I shouldn't!
17:25<gparent>:)
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17:29<eagles>gparent: went the route of purging postfix and dovecot
17:30<gparent>err okay
17:31<eagles>would it matter which i setup first
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17:31<forbajato>I think I have a DNS problem - mail can't seem to find my server, how can I test the DNS?
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17:31<gparent>Use dig, usually.
17:31<dwfreed>forbajato: what domain?
17:31<kyhwana>forbajato: whats the domain?
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17:31<dwfreed>heh
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17:32<eagles>how can i check if an mx entry resolves
17:32<forbajato>domain is twohandedplow.com
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17:32<eagles>cuz dig mx isnt showing anything :-/
17:32<forbajato>... heads off to read about dig
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17:32<gparent>If you do "dig MX example.org"
17:32<gparent>you will get the MX records for that domain
17:32<gparent>And usually the A records come for free
17:32<gparent>Otherwise you can resolve them manually with "dig example.org" (without MX)
17:33<dcraig>I get two MX records, both of which have the same IP
17:33<gparent>Redundancy! In case one of the record breaks!
17:33<@mikegrb>lulz
17:33<eagles>lol
17:33<dcraig>you could just have one of them
17:33<eagles>can you tell me if mail.andppc.biz resolves to anything for me as i know it does with normal dig but not when i dig the mx record
17:33<kyhwana>twohandedplow.com has address 192.155.94.133 twohandedplow.com mail is handled by 10 twohandedplow.com. (and a MX for mail.twohandedplow.com
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17:33<dcraig>since the reverse dns for your IP points to twohandedplow.com, maybe you should keep that one!
17:33<eagles>ahh
17:33<eagles>shit
17:33<eagles>oops
17:33<gparent>eagles: "normal dig" isn't the same thing as dig MX
17:33<eagles>thats what i dont have
17:33<gparent>the arguments are there for a purpose
17:33<kyhwana>eagles: no MX record
17:34<eagles>i dont have rdns
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17:34<gparent>you're mixing issues
17:34<gparent>rdns is irrelevant to you
17:34<gparent>for now
17:34<forbajato>cool, I will give that a try, thanks @dcraig
17:34<kyhwana>actually no, nvm, you do have a MX record
17:34<eagles>no mx record for mail.andppc.biz O_o
17:34<gparent>you shouldn't have a MX record for that
17:34<kyhwana>eagles: that's normal
17:34<dcraig>are you wanting to receive mail sent to user@mail.andppc.biz?
17:34<gparent>unless your email address is user@mail.andppc.biz
17:34<kyhwana>eagles: you only need a MX record for andppc.biz, unless you want to send mail to user@mail.andppc.biz
17:34<gparent>andppc.biz. 300 IN MX 10 mail.andppc.biz.
17:34<kyhwana>I need another coffee
17:34<gparent>this is your MX record
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17:35<gparent>and it works fine
17:35-!-thegreexican [~oftc-webi@108-208-73-72.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode
17:35<gparent>it even resolves
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17:35<kyhwana>eagles: so now you can fix your rdns issue
17:35<gparent>check if it resolves to the right IP, though
17:35<thegreexican>who is better, linode, digital ocean, or media temple?
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17:35<eagles>wait i can get rid of mail
17:35<eagles>thegreexican: LINODE
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17:35<dcraig>if you do want to receive mail at mail.andppc.biz, it should still work fine assuming your mail server is configured to accept mail sent to mail.andppc.biz :D
17:35<gparent>thegreexican: If you ask in this channel I'll say Linode, if you ask in #digitalocean they already answered DO.
17:35<eagles>ahh got it
17:35<kyhwana>thegreexican: linode, obviously
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17:36<eagles>linode hands down top notch service great prices and support and top notch reliability
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17:36<gparent>eagles: you can't get rid of mail, your mail will stop resolving.
17:36<gparent>err
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17:36<gparent>arrriving
17:36<gparent>-r
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17:36<gparent>your DNS is just fine
17:36<gparent>dont fuck with it
17:36<eagles>it was never arriving to begin with
17:36<eagles>ok
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17:36<eagles>going to try again
17:36<gparent>sure I know that
17:36<thegreexican>my bad, i mean what is better about linode?
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17:36<dcraig>eagles, you can get rid of the MX record entirely, and it'll just fall back to the A record :p
17:36<gparent>but you still dont know why
17:37<thegreexican>why is it better than media temple or digital ocean?
17:37<gparent>dcraig: This doesn't help :P
17:37<gparent>He almost deleted his A record because I told him it resolved, let's not muddy the waters.
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17:37<dcraig>I'm having trouble keeping up, this window is scrolling too fast
17:38<gparent>eagles: I think your issue is that you don't know what your problem is while you're trying solutions.
17:38<gparent>Or as rnowak said, try gardening.
17:38<eagles>gparent: im going to try again from scratch and i havent touched my dns at all
17:38<thegreexican>whats better about linode than digital ocean or media temple?
17:38<eagles>gparent: i compared configs between two servers identical servers
17:38<gparent>Can you at least validate that your postfix config is the problem before wiping the hell out of it next time?
17:38<gparent>I meana
17:38<gparent>mean*
17:38<gparent>that'd be the bare minimum
17:39<eagles>ok
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17:39<gparent>So, first things first
17:39<dcraig>thegreexican, there are lots of reviews of those companies online, and you would probably get a more unbiased answer reading those instead of asking in here
17:39<gparent>is 176.58.120.65 your mail server is not
17:39<gparent>or rnot*
17:39<gparent>or not*, god damn sorry
17:39<eagles>gparent: yes
17:39<baconcake>dcraig: curl https://www.linode.com/irc/logs/linode.log | less
17:39<gparent>Ok, good
17:39<baconcake>you're welcome!
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17:40<dcraig>baconcake, it's not updating
17:40<gparent>eagles: Now configure postfix as you had it on your old server
17:40<dcraig>how can I curltail?
17:40<eagles>gparent: most likely i screwed up in the config somewhere
17:40<baconcake>press CTRL-F5
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17:40<eagles>gparent: ok
17:40<baconcake>or, reboot
17:41<dcraig>no go
17:41<baconcake>oh, then I'm all out of ideas.
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17:54<eagles>gparent: i think the issue was with my postfix configuration
17:54<gparent>not if it's the same as before.
17:54<eagles>i think i might have missed a step
17:54<gparent>That's more likely.
17:54<eagles>let me finish setting up dovecot and test it out
17:54<gparent>What was it?
17:54<gparent>Why don't you test it now before something else breaks
17:54<eagles>i dont have dovecot setup
17:54<@mikegrb>lulz
17:54<eagles>lol
17:54<gparent>Oh right
17:55<gparent>You use its sasl provider
17:55<gparent>Sorry, carry on.
17:55<eagles>im going to take a snapshot at least i have postfix in a working state
17:55<gparent>I sure can't reach your port 25.
17:55<gparent>then again that might be my ISP
17:56<eagles>gparent: i am able to
17:56<gparent>consider it my fault then
17:56<gparent>I'll try from another box anyway.
17:57<gparent>okay yeah
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17:57<gparent>250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
17:57<gparent>250-STARTTLS
17:57<gparent>seems good.
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17:58<eagles>yep didnt have the first one that is listed last time round
17:58<eagles>i had starttls
17:58<eagles>i did initially have auth but then it dissapeared for some reason
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18:08<eagles>gparent: The error that the other server returned was: 554 5.7.1 <jaquilina@andppc.biz>: Relay access denied
18:08<eagles>but making some progress
18:09<gparent>ok that should be fairly easy to find
18:09<eagles>ya
18:09<eagles>there are two differences im noting between my current working setup and this one
18:09<eagles>i havent uncommented anything in the master.cf file and there is something additional in the dovecot.conf
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18:12<fredy_>hello everyone!
18:12<fredy_>regards
18:13<fredy_>does somebody share a little piece of your knowledge?
18:13<eagles>gparent: still have relay access denied but better hten before
18:13<eagles>fredy_: ask your question then they will
18:13<fredy_>I am working with LAMP and the mod_rewrite doesnt work
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18:13<eagles>fredy_: its probably not an enabled module
18:13<eagles>what distro are you on?
18:14<danblack>fredy_: secret to happyness is low expectations
18:14<@mikegrb>lulz
18:14<eagles>lol dan64
18:14<danblack>fredy_: secret to irc help is useful details and a precise question
18:14<eagles>oops meant danblack
18:14<fredy_>ok, thank you
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18:14<fredy_>well, i have a debian
18:15<eagles>fredy_: try a2enmod rewrite and that should enable the module
18:15<fredy_>and I use https://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/configuration/rewriting-urls
18:15<fredy_>@eagles I tryed it
18:16<fredy_>*tried
18:16<fredy_>and I restart apache2 service
18:16<eagles>fredy_: what did it say its enabled?
18:16<danblack>and what exactly does "doesnt work" mean. Do you get errors in the log. what is the input and output that brings you to this conclusion?
18:16<fredy_>yes, I looks enabled
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18:17<fredy_>@danblack Becaus I am trying to use Clean Urls with Drupal
18:17<fredy_>and it fail the test
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18:17<eagles>fredy_: it should be a setting theni n drupal
18:18<eagles>i use wordpress and that is where it deals with the urls
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18:19<eagles>gparent: i think i figured out the relay access denied issue :D
18:19<eagles>no rdns
18:19<eagles>according to ubuntu forums
18:19<Ikaros>Wow. I've been taking a glance over my mail.log...apparently a known "dirty network" was hammering my mail server with AUTH commands out the wazoo for almost a full 24 hours from the same block of IPs.
18:19<Ikaros>Of course all failing, and the rate limit kicking in repeatedly...but just wow.
18:20<eagles>Ikaros: you can thank me later for having you look at your mail server
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18:20<eagles>Ikaros: purged and reconfigured and they seem to be workign now
18:20<eagles>have to figure out why squirrelmail isnt
18:20<Ikaros>Well yeah that pretty much led me to add RBL checks into Postfix.
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18:20<fredy_>ok, I will check the drupal
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18:24<eagles>hey guys noob question where has the rdns setup section disappeared to
18:26<eagles>any1
18:27<kyhwana>eagles: I imagine it's in the same place as it has been for the past few months
18:27<@mikegrb>lulz
18:27<eagles>kyhwana: which is where if it changed i havent noticed lol or had to setup rdns again
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18:31<eagles>guess nobody knows where rdns disappeared to on the management panel
18:32<eagles>nm
18:32<eagles>found it
18:33<synapt>looks like it's in the exact same spot it's been since as far as I recall
18:33<@mikegrb>lulz
18:33<synapt>lol
18:35<rnowak>jebus
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18:35<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: LAMP Server on Arch Linux <http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/arch-linux-10-2013>
18:36<Ikaros>Hah. Hit my RBLs and die, you stupid spammers.
18:38<eagles>Ikaros: having fun i think
18:38<Ikaros>Yes, yes indeed.
18:38<eagles>now why on earth isnt squirrelmail working
18:38<iBotPeaches>they are hibernating this time of year
18:38<Ikaros>It is worthy to note that even without the RBLs, spam attempts were still failing miserably as all other precautions were in place.
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18:39<Ikaros>Just adding some reinforcement.
18:39<Ikaros>And why, am I not surprised more than half the IPs I saw in my log trying this crap were Russian?
18:39<@mikegrb>lulz
18:39<eagles>lol
18:40<Ikaros>That entire damn IP space needs blocked.
18:40<eagles>im suprised they werent the NSA
18:40<Ikaros>Troublemakers...
18:40<Ikaros>Hah. NSA.
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18:41<Ikaros>I've nothing to fear.
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18:43<eagles>Ikaros: maybe you can help mme out
18:43<Ikaros>Ok so anyway, yeah, fun stuff, IP blocks in place, RBL configs taking care of the rest, I'm very pleased with myself.
18:44<eagles>redoing the install for postfix and dovecot things are working now i have a relay access denied issue not sure where it is
18:44<@mikegrb>lulz
18:44<eagles>meh ill work on it in the morning i can go home now lol
18:44<@mikegrb>lulz
18:44<Ikaros>lol
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18:44<eagles>i think things not working is a sign to get off and come back to it
18:45<Ikaros>I'd check on your smtpd_recipient_restrictions (and other various restriction directives)
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18:45<Ikaros>I mean it does have to know who's allowed to send to other addresses and who isn't.
18:45<@akerl>Stuff's broken? Time to give up
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18:46<eagles>akerl: usually i have found walking away then coming back things tend to right themselves or they are easier to fix the next time
18:46<Ikaros>Well not that he's giving up. He's just going to come back to it.
18:46<Ikaros>Same thing I'd do, usually before my brain explodes >.>
18:46<eagles>Ikaros: yep been working on this server for over 15 hours
18:47<@akerl>If only you had a known-good system to compare against
18:47*akerl deja vus
18:47<eagles>akerl: i do
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18:47<Ikaros>But anyway, yeah, when you come back to it, check your smtpd_recipient_restrictions configuration and make sure that's not blocking you.
18:48<eagles>smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated,permit_mynetworks,reject_unauth_destination
18:49<eagles>Ikaros: ^
18:49<Ikaros>Ok and are you actually authenticating correctly with SASL?
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18:50<eagles>how would i check that
18:50<Ikaros>Well see if your authentication settings are correct.
18:51<Ikaros>And that whatever's doing your SASL authentication is actually getting to do that.
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18:52<Ikaros>Check your system logs too - SASL authentication failures are logged on my system.
18:52<Ikaros>So it might be for yours too
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18:53<Ikaros>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufK7CEsG4ZI <-- Off-topic humor, for you. 0:07
18:53<eagles>im using saslauthd on ubuntu
18:54<Ikaros>Pl
18:54<Ikaros>er
18:54<Ikaros>Ok*
18:54<eagles>nothing is showing in syslog
18:54<eagles>anyway ill pick this up again tomorrow
18:54<Ikaros>Well yeah I said to just check that tomorrow
18:54<Ikaros>:P
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20:39<linbot>New news from forum: How do I set files to be owned by multiple users? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10491&p=60689#p60689>
20:44*gparent cries
20:44<linbot>New news from forum: How do I set files to be owned by multiple users? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10491&p=60690#p60690>
20:45<staticsafe>gparent: why the crying?
20:45<gparent>setting group to sudo makes me cry
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20:47<danblack>oo. good point. - not what I meant.
20:49<linbot>New news from forum: How do I set files to be owned by multiple users? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10491&p=60691#p60691>
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21:35<asdri>hello there
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21:36<asdri>i added a user on my linode and i want that user to run a jboss instance but it says permission denied
21:40<kyhwana>asdri: try "sudo <blah>"
21:40<dwfreed>is the jboss instance trying to bind to a port below 1024 ?
21:40<kyhwana>Of course, you might need to give that user sudo privileges
21:40<dwfreed>running jboss as root is an extremely stupid idea
21:40*dwfreed bonks kyhwana
21:41<@rohara>ohhh you got bonked
21:41<kyhwana>dwfreed: what could go wrong!?
21:41<asdri>yes i also added him in sudoers
21:41<@rohara>dwfreed: where's your sense of adventure?
21:41<asdri>root (ALL) (ALL )
21:42<asdri>also jboss is owned by jboss user and belong to the jboss group as well
21:43<HoopyCat>what is it trying to do when it's getting denied?
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21:44<asdri>its stops when reaching the interface
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21:44<asdri>hold on
21:50<asdri>its unable to bind
21:51<HoopyCat>what port is it trying to bind to?
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21:51<asdri>just the ip of my linode
21:51<asdri>ports its 443
21:52<HoopyCat>asdri: try a port greater than 1024... that should make it go, without having to run it as root
21:53<dwfreed>and then use nginx to proxy back to it, and take care of SSL termination
21:53<asdri>i use apache
21:54<asdri>hold on
21:54<gparent>then use apache
21:54<gparent>both can do it
21:54<dwfreed>that works too, just don't use the prefork MPM
21:54<HoopyCat>apache can do it too (note: if you're using mod_php and therefore forced to use mpm-prefork, your life will suck)
21:57<asdri>erm
21:57<asdri>still doesnt
21:58<asdri>my binding all port are above 1024 now
21:58<asdri>but hey thanks for answering my questions!
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22:34<thomas>hello, provisioning Linode using API. what's the correct way to reboot after the stackscript is done? putting reboot at the end of the stacksript causes the stack script to get executed after every reload - so goes in circles
22:36<thomas>anyone?
22:40<@akerl>thomas: "shutdown"
22:41<jed>[ -f /root/whatever_the_stackscript_log_file_is_called_I_forget ] || {
22:41<jed>}
22:41<thomas>do i need to remove something from init.d that would cause the stackscript to get re-executed on reboot?
22:41<@akerl>jed: that's like 100% too much work
22:41<@akerl>Just shutdown and smile
22:42<jed>it also implements the desired behavior as requested
22:42<jed>so
22:42<thomas>anker - shutdown won't reboot it
22:42<jed>see?
22:42<@akerl>thomas: Yes it will
22:42<jed>after a delay for lassie :P
22:42<thomas>ah, the watchdog will reboot it
22:42<thomas>and it won't kick off the stackscript again?
22:42<@akerl>jed: I tested this the last time we had a huge debate; shutdown by default queues the halt to happen in 1 minute
22:43<jed>my solution is more workable because it guards against every scenario
22:43<@akerl>So if you run it as the very last thing, it queues a halt for $now+1minute, the stackscript exits happily, then the system halts, then lassie brings it back
22:43<jed>you can write one stackscript and not worry how it's invoked
22:44<thomas>jed, not sure what your fix does? you're checking if the log file exists and?
22:44<jed>the braces are where your code would go, it's the "or" on that conditional
22:44<jed>you could also do && exit 0, but I think that loops
22:44<@akerl>If that looped, yours would too, would it not?
22:45<jed>I don't remember how stackscripts work
22:45<@akerl>(I don't think your way would loop)
22:45<jed>I thought a too-fast-death resulted in redo
22:45<jed>been a while
22:45<thomas>jed, so put my code between the { } and where does it reboot?
22:45<@akerl>If it does, I've never experienced it. that said, I haven't written many stackscripts that exit immediately
22:45<thomas>sorry guys.. appreciate the help
22:46<thomas>keep the reboot in the script?
22:46<jed>thomas: I don't want to feed you code, I'd rather you understood the concept and what you're getting into
22:46<jed>I'm just saying test for the stackscript log file, if present, don't do the rest of what you're about to do
22:46<thomas>right, i'm trying to understand how ur code works.
22:46<jed>it's one solution, akerl has another
22:46<thomas>i got it.
22:46<jed>the stackscript execution engine captures stdout into a log somewhere in /root, if I recall
22:46<dwfreed>you need to delay the shutdown in a subshell from a stackscript
22:46<thomas>and the file check will block until the log file disappears?
22:46<@akerl>jed: I'm not sure I'm a fan of your way because it means the stackscript still gets hooked in for the second boot
22:47<jed>dwfreed: welcome to 90 seconds ago
22:47<dwfreed>( sleep 10; shutdown ) &
22:47<@akerl>dwfreed: o.O
22:47<@akerl>See above for enlightenment on what `shutdown` does
22:47<jed>uh
22:47<jed>yeah, wtf
22:47<thomas>anker - so ur solution is shutdown at the end of the script.. which schedules it 1 min later, shutsdown, lassie reboots
22:47<thomas>correct?
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22:47<@akerl>jed: Yours definitely covers more bases where inclusion and other fanciness are concerned, though
22:48<jed>dwfreed: strongly advise `man shutdown`
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22:49<dwfreed>sorry, even my command is wrong, but 'shutdown' by itself will not work: "A lot of users forget to give the time argument and are then puzzled by the error message shutdown produces. The time argument is mandatory; in 90 percent of all cases this argument will be the word now."
22:49<@akerl>...
22:49<@akerl>The time argument is definitely not mandatory
22:49<jed>god, talking in here sometimes is like talking to cardboard boxes
22:49*kyhwana gets the cardboard boxes wet
22:49<jed>fuck this
22:51<@akerl>dwfreed: https://github.com/akerl/archer/blob/master/roles/finalize/tasks/main.yml <-- I promise you, it works just fine
22:51<dwfreed>akerl: perhaps on arch, where it just tells systemd you want to shut down, but on distros like debian (in particular debian 6, where I just tested this) it is: http://bpaste.net/show/138621/
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22:56<dwfreed>thomas: /win 41
22:56<dwfreed>erm, sorry
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23:01<gparent>the cardboard box once again proven superior despite kyhwana's efforts
23:01<kyhwana>damnit
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