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00:00<farfromhere>Because it doesn't look like there's a fix to get 32 bit citadel running
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00:00<tempesta>farfromhere, well, what bothers me is that this whole thing turns around citadel problem, otherwise i am in a good shape, and the amount of work seems to be way to unproportional to significance of the problem
00:01<farfromhere>Do you have to have citadel?
00:01<tempesta>nope
00:01<tempesta>but setting up a different mail server is a major pain on the neck
00:01<farfromhere>It sounds like it would be easier than the alternatives at this point
00:01<tempesta>i just need ANY mail server
00:02<farfromhere>And linode has a very good postfix/dovecot/mysql tutorial that I've used succesfully
00:02<@irgeek>tempesta: If it's that much work, just add a second Linode for citadel.
00:02<tempesta>but i dont want to spend days setting it up
00:02<farfromhere>Wouldn't take days, took me an afternoon
00:02<farfromhere>Do you need webmail?
00:03<tempesta>farfromhere, which mail server are you talking abouit?
00:03<farfromhere>https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/postfix2.9.6-dovecot2.0.19-mysql
00:03<tempesta>i don't need webmail, just smtp is good for me
00:03<encode>pretty sure you'll want more than SMTP
00:03<encode>like IMAP
00:03<farfromhere>How many users?
00:04<tempesta>just a few
00:04<tempesta>mail server is very light on load
00:04<farfromhere>Yeah, it might be worth looking at that
00:04<farfromhere>I've set it up succesfully on ubuntu 12.04
00:05<tempesta>i just hate to see mysql when you talk about mail servers
00:05<tempesta>why do they need mysql?
00:05<farfromhere>Well, technically, you do't need mysql
00:05<tempesta>oh, ok
00:06<farfromhere>You can just set it up in the configs
00:06<tempesta>but what is it used for, do you know?
00:06<farfromhere>handling users, aliases, etc
00:06<@irgeek>Usernames & passwords.
00:06<tempesta>oh, for management?
00:06<farfromhere>So if you need to add users, you can just edit the db, instead of the config files
00:06<@irgeek>You can use the systems users instead. Or LDAP if you have a directory to connect to.
00:06<tempesta>what a crap to use mysql for that? does it mean it is a big-time mail server?
00:07<farfromhere>I mean, the functionality is there, you don't have to set it up that way, you'll have to make some modifications to that tutorial, however
00:07<tempesta>ok, i guess it is something worth looking at, thanx
00:08<farfromhere>My suggestion would be restoring one of your backups to a new linode, and installing to that, so you don't have to worry about breaking your production server
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00:09<farfromhere>And either failover to that, or repeat on your prod server and destroy the unused linode
00:09<farfromhere>Or just go with an external email service >.>
00:10<tempesta>farfromhere, mail server have to be internal, that's the whole point
00:10<farfromhere>Any particular reason?
00:10<tempesta>security
00:11<tempesta>and privacy
00:12<@irgeek>tempesta: If it's a requirement and you want citadel, seriously consider adding a Linode just for that.
00:12<tempesta>i know this is an alternative
00:13<@irgeek>It's a simple solution (a 1GB Linode will handle mail for *many* people without issue) and it keeps the services separate. So if you need to mess with one service and take it offline, you don't have to take the other offline too.
00:14<tempesta>i am a poor man, what to do?
00:14<@irgeek>In that case you need to invest time.
00:14<tempesta>i don't have a spair 20 bux/month to throw on the air
00:15<tempesta>i don't mind investing a REASONABLE amount of time as i don't have time either
00:15<farfromhere>You're going to have to sacrifice something somewhere, either time to make it work, money, or privacy by going with a third party
00:15<tempesta>God has taken away all these things from me!!!!
00:15<tempesta>i don't sacrifice
00:15<tempesta>i only DO things
00:16<tempesta>and it works so far
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00:19<pharaun>god is this still going on
00:20<tempesta>pharaun, if you remain as negative as you have been all your life, you'll have to pay
00:20<tempesta>sooner or later
00:21<farfromhere>anywho, night all o/ and good luck tempesta. I hope you can find a solution
00:22<pharaun>tempesta: have a dollar :)
00:22<pharaun>i'm paying
00:22<tempesta>farfromhere, thanx, good luck, we WILL find a solution
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00:24<tempesta>pharaun, you're not paying enough it looks. but if you pay for my dedicated linode for email server, who knows? :)
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00:25<pharaun>tempesta: ha
00:25<tempesta>hf
00:25<tempesta>ha
00:25<pharaun>anyway good luck on your thing
00:25<tempesta>thanx
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00:25<tempesta>good luck to you too
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02:29<linbot>New news from forum: Send only with DKIM in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10541&p=61041#p61041>
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03:15<linbot>New news from forum: Best Mail Server / Ubuntu 12.04LTS in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10537&p=61042#p61042>
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03:20<linbot>New news from forum: How do I add and change information with MySQL workbench? in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10536&p=61043#p61043>
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03:49<linbot>New news from forum: iOS app support thread inclusion in Feature Request/Bug Report <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10548&p=61044#p61044>
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04:02<linbot>New news from forum: NOQUEUE: reject: Relay access denied in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10547&p=61045#p61045>
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04:08<linbot>New news from forum: How do I add and change information with MySQL workbench? in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10536&p=61046#p61046>
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04:14<linbot>New news from forum: NOQUEUE: reject: Relay access denied in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10547&p=61047#p61047>
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04:27<KamiNuvini>php.net is gonna have a fun day
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04:36<pharaun>?
04:36<pharaun>why
04:38<@mikegrb>lulz
04:38<XReaper>lol
04:38<XReaper>KamiNuvini: does php.net use php for their site?
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04:44<XReaper>http://php.net is an attack site according to firefox :D
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04:45<hawk>XReaper: Hosts malicious software?
04:45<XReaper>http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://php.net/
04:46<XReaper>hawk: I have a feeling php.net either had their servers hacked... or didn't heed best practices and make their php code non-writable by the webserver
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04:59<XReaper>it's sad that google finds nothing wrong with horseboners :(
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05:04<XReaper>ALSO! sTLD's are a joke
05:12<XReaper>woo $5 credit!
05:15<Ikaros>Hm. Interesting. It says php.net is an attack site but no evidence exists - my network scanners did not pick up any malicious execution whatsoever - so they just cleaned it up and are waiting for delisting, or it was a false positive.
05:15<kyhwana>Ikaros: well, it's PHP, so therefore..
05:18<KamiNuvini>You can follow it here: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/puLmvjtK0m8
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05:18<KamiNuvini>php says false positive, google says it was not :)
05:19<Ikaros>Yeah I'm siding with PHP on this one.
05:19<Ikaros>None of my scanners are detecting anything.
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05:20<KamiNuvini>Yeah google said so as well: "Also, looking at the userprefs.js file now, it doesn't looked compromised any more. Given your comment about being "very baffled", I strongly suggest looking into how it was hacked to begin with and how it got fixed."
05:21<Ikaros>Too stupid to admit their system was wrong.
05:21<KamiNuvini>heh
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05:23<XReaper>four pages... google doesn't even say WHICH four pages
05:24<Ikaros>Ok, I'll just call them dumbasses and leave it at that.
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05:26<XReaper>Back when I was using AVG, they had the Itunes virus
05:26<XReaper>it was funny
05:26<Ikaros>I've had one of my sites falsely flagged before some time back, and you won't believe how hard it was for me to be civil with them. I usually am a very civil guy but when pushed hard enough I can be the most unpleasant person you'll ever deal with, especially if I feel I'm being screwed or something of that nature.
05:26<XReaper>I've never had any of mine flagged
05:26<XReaper>Hell, the google bots never go back to any of my sites
05:26<XReaper>>.>
05:27<Ikaros>I would just block them out.
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05:27<Ikaros>Of course they would probably go and say I'm only hampering security efforts.
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05:29<XReaper>hah
05:31<XReaper>how is http://static.php.net/www.php.net/userprefs.js malware... like
05:31<XReaper>what
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05:33<hawk>XReaper: Maybe it's just the url itself that fits the typical pattern of silly malware stuff?
05:33<XReaper>ugh
05:33<XReaper>if they're doing that, then **** google. seriously
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05:34<XReaper>apparantly in chrome it makes it next to impossible to access it
05:34<XReaper>:P
05:34<hawk>I have no idea what they are doing. The contents may have changed over time
05:35<linbot>New news from forum: How do I add and change information with MySQL workbench? in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10536&p=61049#p61049> || iOS app support thread inclusion in Feature Request/Bug Report <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10548&p=61048#p61048>
05:38<XReaper>why does longview have SO MANY PERL DEPENDENCIES
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05:39<hawk>Because it apparently uses every perl module ever on cpan or something. :P
05:39<XReaper>hawk: it does!
05:40<XReaper>luckily equery b blah helps me find them
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05:58<XReaper>how do i make netstat only show sockets for a single process?
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06:04<kyhwana>"-p | grep processname" ?
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06:04<XReaper>kyhwana: i have ~2000 connections
06:04<XReaper>probably more than that
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06:05<XReaper>oh, had to stop it resolving
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06:15<XReaper>so much tor chatter going on
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06:24<linbot>New news from forum: No ssh access after installing fail2ban and editing iptables in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10549&p=61050#p61050>
06:24<@mikegrb>lulz
06:24<XReaper>^ lol fail
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06:31<linbot>New news from forum: Best Mail Server / Ubuntu 12.04LTS in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10537&p=61052#p61052> || No ssh access after installing fail2ban and editing iptables in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10549&p=61051#p61051>
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06:35<TwoWholeWorms>Hey. Does session stickiness table on a NodeBalancer work with algorithm least connections?
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06:39<@qmr>I believe so
06:41<XReaper>TwoWholeWorms: if it's an option, sure!
06:41<XReaper>so, ssl termination uses SNI, yeah?
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07:08<TwoWholeWorms>qmr: cheers
07:08<TwoWholeWorms>XReaper: And I've learnt that just because I can set it to that, doesn't necessarily mean it'll work. :p
07:08<XReaper>:D
07:09<XReaper>TwoWholeWorms: You would hope it was a tested combination, anyway
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07:32<linbot>New news from forum: Best Mail Server / Ubuntu 12.04LTS in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10537&p=61053#p61053>
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08:44<linbot>New news from forum: How do I add and change information with MySQL workbench? in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10536&p=61054#p61054>
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10:13<mreiland>I have a quick question about policies regarding mail servers and spam
10:13<mreiland>basically... what are the policies, or where can I find them? I looked around the site, and nothing jumped out at me
10:14<Netwolf>mreiland: need proper mx, spf and dkim
10:14<Netwolf>mreiland: also don't be on dnsbl
10:14<Netwolf>mreiland: for preventing spam, there are many solutions. From SA to DNSBL etc.
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10:15<mreiland>How does linode prevent spam from their VPS's in general, or do they just take an approach of waiting until someone complains?
10:15<mreiland>obviously getting yourself onto a blacklist would be a no-no
10:16<Netsotov>is there more information about the available kernels, or should i settle with the default offered by linode?
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10:23<linbot>New news from kernels: 3.11.6-x86-linode54 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1382544389#171> || 3.11.6-x86_64-linode35 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1382544389#172> || 3.10.3-x86-linode53 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1374856512#169> || 3.10.3-x86_64-linode34 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1374856512#170> || pv-grub-x86_32 <https://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1369171541#92> || pv-grub-x86_64 <https://www.linode.com
10:23<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9712&p=61055#p61055>
10:24<Netsotov>hm
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10:28<gparent>kernels for everyone!
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10:29<trippeh>kernels kernels kernels! *throws chair*
10:29<gparent>Netsotov: you should use latest stable for the architecture you run. Personally I sticky the version so that I don't get unexpected changes but I'm scared my things will explode in small pieces.
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10:33<Netsotov>gparent: i noticed the blow up part, that's why i just now have another linode for testing
10:33<gparent>yes that's what I do as well
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10:39<linbot>New news from forum: Need a guru: phpmyadmin / nginx / proxy / ssh in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10550&p=61056#p61056>
10:40<Cr0nJob>Is it possible to balefire phpmyadmin?
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10:41*jrhorn424 smiles at balefire.
10:41<jrhorn424>we could just balefire php ;)
10:43<Cr0nJob>PHP is less dangerous than phpmyadmin. I'd prefer just the one.
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10:45<AlexC_>What?
10:45<AlexC_>How can PHP be less dangerous than phpMyAdmin?
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10:46<gparent>He probably means having only the former installed reduces your surface of attack.
10:46<gparent>Personally, I reduce my surface of attack by not installing PHP.
10:46<Cr0nJob>One requires some knowledge of how to script to make dangerous. The other requires a mouse and a single finger. More people without sense have the latter.
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10:47<Cr0nJob>Any web based DB access tool can go.
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10:48<jrhorn424>that seems reasonable
10:49<jrhorn424>try to make it harder to shoot yourself in the foot, or for someone else to do it for you.
10:49<Cr0nJob>To reduce attack vectors on my servers to a minimum, I turn them off, unplug them on all fronts, place them in a lead box, and bury them in my yard.
10:50<jrhorn424>:>
10:50<gparent>lead? weak
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11:07<Jippi>whats the ~expected iops/s for a linode box ?
11:07<trippeh>Depends on what kind of IO?
11:08<Jippi>from mysql, using O_DIRECT output :)
11:08<Jippi>on a 8GB instance :)
11:08<Jippi>guess its depends on each host
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11:09<Jippi>how much other people abuse the disk
11:10<trippeh>"usually better than the creaky san at work" :P
11:11<Jippi>my server just takes ~40 minutes to restart due to flushing to disk
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11:12<Jippi>and by server I mean mysqld
11:14<staticsafe>O_o
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11:19<gparent>o_O
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11:23<@qmr>o.o
11:23<Tea><.<
11:23<Jippi>qmr: do you got 10min to help me out in priv about some capacity questions of one of my boxes? :)
11:24<@qmr>sure
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11:34<Guest3309>why isn't anyone talking
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11:35<gparent>We were all waiting for him to part.
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11:43<WormFood>One of my friends wants to try out linode. He said he can get a 4 hour trial, for free, but I remember that since I'm a member, I can get 24 hours, without paying, if I cancel it at the right time.....is there any way he can try it out for 24 hours? (He'll be using my referral code)
11:44<@akerl>Um, what?
11:44<@qmr>WormFood: False.
11:44<@akerl>You definitely can't get 24 hours free
11:44<WormFood> I've heard that here in the past
11:44<@qmr>He can try it out for a week by converting his account. If he's not happy he can cancel and request a full refund in the cancelation note.
11:45<WormFood>so really, he can sign up, and get a week to try out everything, and if he's not happy, get a full refund?
11:45<WormFood>I think he'll be happy, He thinks he'll be happy....he just wants to be sure.
11:45<@qmr>Correct.
11:46<WormFood>ok, thanks. I'll forward that info to him
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11:47<fantomas>Hi all
11:47<WormFood>thanks for letting me know what is really up. I've forward that info to my friend.
11:48<fantomas>How can I resize my linode? I see no Upgrade button
11:48<fantomas>but I have only 20Gb
11:48<WormFood>what do you mean by "resize"?
11:48<fantomas>hdd size
11:48<WormFood>your hard drive
11:48<linbot>New news from forum: Need a guru: phpmyadmin / nginx / proxy / ssh in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10550&p=61057#p61057>
11:48<@qmr>fantomas: Dashboard -> Disk Images -> edit
11:49<@qmr>I don't think we ever touch those for you - if you take a free upgrade or resize to a larger plan you need to resize the disk to take advantage of the increased storage quota
11:49<@qmr>if you want to resize to a smaller plan you may need to resize existing disks to fit within the smaller quota of the smaller plan
11:49<WormFood>that has been my experience, and sometimes you need to migrate
11:49<fantomas>qmr: thank you!
11:50<fantomas>qmr: I was expeting Free upgrade button :)
11:50<fantomas>but it was much easier, like you said
11:51<@qmr>The free upgrade banner is down a bit on the right side of the screen. https://blog.linode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/upgrade-avail.gif
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11:52<fantomas>qmr: Looks like I used that button before, but forgot to actually resize the image
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11:54<linbot>New news from forum: Using ZFS or XFS on a Linode in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10551&p=61058#p61058>
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12:26<linbot>New news from forum: Need a guru: phpmyadmin / nginx / proxy / ssh in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10550&p=61059#p61059>
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13:35<Li>Hello there. Does anyone know how to transfer domain name to linode?
13:36<gparent>Linode is not a registrar, but you can certainly use linode as authorative nameservers through the DNS Manager panel. Is this what you want?
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13:36<gparent>https://library.linode.com/dns-manager may help
13:37<gparent>You will also need to go on your registrar's website and add Linode nameservers as authorative.
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13:39<Li>Thank you for your response. I used a shared hosting with iPage before. and registered my domain name through them.
13:40<gparent>Personally I use namecheap as a registrar, so I'm not sure how iPage works and what is their policy for transfers and what not
13:41<Li>Yes, it could transfer by auth code.
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13:42<Li>How could I link my domain name to here, since I would like to move my project to linode
13:42<gparent>You can also keep using iPage if they're a registrar and you like them, I didn't look them up
13:42<gparent>you need to configure Linode's nameservers as authorative for your domain
13:42<gparent>Then, you'll need to create a master zone in the DNS manager
13:43<gparent>with your domain's records
13:43<Li>They r not a registrar. My registrar is domain.com
13:43<gparent>Oh okay
13:43<gparent>Then go to domain.com and do that.
13:43<Li>OK... I c... Thanks a lot
13:43<gparent>obviously you'll have a temporary outage while various caches around the world update the IP address
13:44<gparent>well rather, while caches get stale and entries get removed
13:44<gparent>domain.com should provide a place where you stick the 5 linode IPs in
13:44<gparent>or their fqdn
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13:46<@akerl>Note: You do not want to reference our nameservers by their IPs
13:46<@akerl>you want to tell your registrar to use ns{1..5}.linode.com
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13:47<gparent>If he asks what's a FQDN you're on your own!!!
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13:48<AFDIT>hi guys
13:48<AFDIT>n00b Q I'm afraid...
13:48<ghosticus>we <3 n00bs
13:48<gparent>you'll fit right in
13:48<AFDIT>can I use gmail to be a mail server while using linode to host the website / manage the forwarding
13:48<AFDIT>or does that mean running my own mailserver
13:49<gparent>If you mean google apps, I believe it is no longer free.
13:49<AFDIT>yeah - that's what I was thinking
13:49<@akerl>AFDIT: You can certainly use Google Apps for mail and your Linode for web hosting
13:49<gparent>yeah they don't need to be on the same box
13:49<@akerl>What server handles your mail is controlled by your MX records in your DNS
13:50<AFDIT>is there a way to have an myname@mydomain point to and use myregularemail@gmail.com address on gmail?
13:50<linbot>New news from forum: SSH client for wp8 in /dev/random <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10552&p=61060#p61060>
13:50<gparent>Yes, definitely
13:50<@akerl>Google apps lets you do forwarding, sure
13:50<AFDIT>and then send / receive using only myname@mydomain.com
13:50<AFDIT>ah - I meant without GApps!
13:50<AFDIT>sorry
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13:50<gparent>Yes, a mail server can do that
13:50<gparent>It's its job :)
13:50<@akerl>You can do it without Google apps too, you've just got to set it up
13:51<gparent>Mail is a pain in the cloud, though.
13:51<AFDIT>ok so I need a mailserver (I think my linode box is a little overloaded atm so might mean getting another)
13:51<gparent>If you can afford google and don't mind the privacy implications, you can save yourself a headache.
13:51<AFDIT>I heard self-hosted mailservers were a bit of a pain anyway
13:51<gparent>Yes.
13:51<ghosticus>they are!
13:51<AFDIT>better to go GApps then...
13:51<AFDIT>ha
13:52<AFDIT>ok thanks peeps
13:52<gparent>Though there's nothing preventing you from having a mail server to send mail for other purposes
13:52<AFDIT>true
13:52<gparent>receiving it correctly and not being marked as spam is the fun part.
13:52<AFDIT>I'll consider it along with the rest of my world domination plans. Expand in that direction in time
13:52<AFDIT>SPF records? ^
13:52<gparent>World domination takes time.
13:52<gparent>Yes, SPF records would help.
13:53<AFDIT>that is the total of my mailserver knowledge!
13:53<gparent>Start slow.
13:53<AFDIT>on an unrelated note I get the odd email notification about server cpu levels
13:53<AFDIT>how best to troubleshoot?
13:53<AFDIT>htop?
13:53<gparent>I like htop for a quick view yeah but you're not seeing anything?
13:53<AFDIT>are there logs re: CPU spikes?
13:53<gparent>No, that'd require you to have monitoring.
13:54<AFDIT>hmm
13:54<gparent>CPU spikes are a normal thing.
13:54<AFDIT>ok...
13:54<gparent>Long extended ones are odd.
13:54<gparent>but a quick spike on the graph might just mean you ran a cronjob for a few seconds and then went down to 0% again
13:55<gparent>are you getting really high CPU usage for many minutes?
13:58<@akerl>CPU spikes aren't a normal thing o.O
13:59<gparent>apt-get update generates a CPU 'spike'
13:59<gparent>depending what you qualify as a spike
13:59<@akerl>Maybe when you install something that involves manual compilation
13:59<gparent>Not with apt-get *update* no.
13:59<@akerl>also, the graphs on the dashboard are a 5 minute average; it would be need to be a pretty huge spike to last on a few seconds but trigger a notification
14:00<gparent>That, however, is very true.
14:00<gparent>The notification makes my whole point kinda moot.
14:00<gparent>But I definitely got something that looked like a spike on the graph whenever I put apt-get update on cronjob.
14:01<gparent>and I never ran automatic upgrades.
14:01*akerl doubts apt-get update was causing a significant CPU spike
14:01<gparent>It wasn't significant percentage wise, but if you looked at the graph and were inexperienced it could look like you're spiking more than you should.
14:01<gparent>The times definitely matched the cronjob
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14:07<AFDIT>sorry - was setting up gapps
14:07<AFDIT>I'll try to check on it
14:08<ghosticus>:D
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14:09<gparent>Good luck! Worked pretty flawlessly for me.
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14:14<AFDIT>gparent: yeah I think the domain has to propogate
14:14<AFDIT>just waiting a while...
14:14<AFDIT>*twiddles thumbs*
14:14<gparent>Changes to master zones are batched every 15 minutes I believe.
14:14<@caker>every quarter hour
14:14<AFDIT>I set the domain registrar nameserver records to ns1.linode.com ns2.linode.com etc
14:15<gparent>That's what I meant, but you're more accurate.
14:15<gparent>Yep, that's good.
14:15<AFDIT>so have put the TXT record in the list under the linode panel stuff for the domain
14:15<AFDIT>the google apps txt record ^
14:15<gparent>Yes now to edit your zone you go to the DNS panel and add your records there
14:15<gparent>you shouldn't have to touch the registrar side anymore
14:15<AFDIT>yeah, it's all good ;)
14:15<AFDIT>I like having the registrar easily movable
14:15<AFDIT>don't mind lumbering the other stuff onto linode!
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14:16<gparent>I only have one domain registrar for my two domains, but I'm not exactly honoring a 5 9s SLA.
14:16<gparent>I do use two providers for my DNS though
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14:18<AFDIT>Q.471 : How many Worpdress sites is appropriate for one small linode?
14:18<linbot>New news from forum: Linode CLI (developer release #1) in Current Betas <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10546&p=61037#p61037>
14:18<AFDIT>I think there are 4/5domains pointing at it
14:19<AFDIT>and I have 1 drupal site on the same server
14:19<AFDIT>but they all get very very few hits
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14:20<gparent>it depends on the site
14:20<gparent>Can you do any sort of automated testing?
14:20<gparent>how many hits is very few
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14:21<gparent>small sites can usually fit on a 1G, though.
14:21<AFDIT>it's currently on 0.7% CPU usage and 322Mb RAM
14:21<AFDIT>looking at htop
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14:22<AFDIT>5 WP sites and the 1 Drupal one
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14:22<AFDIT>only 2 of the WP sites are getting hits atm
14:23<AFDIT>another 2 will be soon hopefully
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14:30<AFDIT>brb
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14:52<@qmr>Wow! That Linode CLI sure looks interesting!
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15:12<HedgeMage>qmr: there it now has its first feature request
15:12*HedgeMage 's work here is done.
15:13<EugeneKay>AFDIT - the real question is how many req/s can you serve. That number can be quite high with proper setting-up of php-fpm+nginx+mysql
15:13<EugeneKay>But it ultimately depends on what YOUR site is doing - how many plugins, what size DB, content storage, traffic in GB, etc.
15:14<EugeneKay>Too many variables to give a hard number
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15:24<linbot>New news from forum: SSL loading unsecure content in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10553&p=61061#p61061>
15:25<Netwolf> I am in the process of publishing an image (AMI) for my FreeBSD 11 -current (as of yesterday) server running
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15:25<Netwolf> non-debug, custom ALTQ for pf custom kernel running nginx-custom (SPDY, perftools...all of them) and varnish-custom (All their mods)
15:25<Netwolf> with a custom cachingn performancing enchancing configs and app level firewall on varnish
15:25<Netwolf>the best part
15:26<Netwolf>ZFS
15:26<Netwolf>on root
15:26<Netwolf>so zfs, dtrace, pf niceness
15:26<Netwolf>you can run it free on t1.micro
15:26<Netwolf>FreeBSD Sexy.Cex.Mx 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #4 r257022: Thu Oct 24 01:51:51 EDT 2013 bdelbono@Sexy.Cex.Mx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SEXY-CEX-MX amd64
15:26<Netwolf>please just holla if you wanna dig this
15:27<Netwolf>:)
15:29<jed>ZFS is magic
15:29<jed>it is seriously something I could cargo cult on and worship
15:29<jed>it is that good
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15:40<Netwolf>zfs was the best tech (other than java) that came out of sun
15:41<Netwolf>i survived two sets of layoffs at sun
15:41<Netwolf>it was my first management role
15:42<Netwolf>mcnealy
15:44<sirpengi>NFS ain't bad
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15:51<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: LAMP Server on Gentoo <http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/gentoo-10-2013>
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16:31<linbot>New news from forum: SSL loading unsecure content in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10553&p=61062#p61062>
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17:32<farfromhere>linode cli
17:32<farfromhere>So is it just like lish with more features?
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17:34<kyhwana>farfromhere: uh what?
17:34<kyhwana>What linode CLI?
17:34<retro|blah>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10546
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17:35<kyhwana>ooohh
17:35<farfromhere>Looks like an cli using the api
17:36<kyhwana>I would assume so
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17:37<farfromhere>Pretty nifty, although I would assume similar tools would already exist?
17:37<farfromhere>Good that it's open source, though
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17:48<EugeneKay>Nifty.
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17:50<EugeneKay>And I already have a feature request: support API key via env var
17:52-!-sohsoh [~sohsoh@sohandhisstuff.in] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
17:52<EugeneKay>And as a bonus, it'd fix HedgeMage's issue!
17:54<EugeneKay>(kind of)
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18:02<rsdehart>that's quite a feat
18:02<rsdehart>I mean, yay!
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18:26<HedgeMage>heh
18:26<HedgeMage>I feel so loved...
18:26<kyhwana>HedgeMage: yay
18:27<rsdehart><3
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19:08<linbot>New news from forum: Best Mail Server / Ubuntu 12.04LTS in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10537&p=61063#p61063>
19:08<cafuego_>lies
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19:13<ghosticus>?
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19:31<XReaper>LIES
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19:31<XReaper>right, cafuego_
19:31<XReaper>ALL LIES
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19:34<tempesta>i began to install some package on ubuntu, but it had some dependencies that are not present and the thing got really complicated. so i decided to remove a couple of packages that were partially installed but dependencies were not installable. So, i can not remove those partially installed packages because it complains about dependencies that are not installable. what needs to be done to remove thos partially installed packages?
19:35<retro|blah>What who where how huh?
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19:37<tempesta>look, guys, this is a linode support chan as i understand it and these kinds of comments really belong to some other chan. or am i missing something here?
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19:37<ghosticus>community support chan
19:37<ghosticus>not official support
19:37<retro|blah>tempesta: My comment was meant to indicate that your question was unclear. Sorry that it came off the wrong way
19:38<Solver>yes, discussions often get to OS specific stuff like package dependency resolution
19:38<retro|blah>Can you pastebin exactly what done, and exactly what you're seeing
19:38<tempesta>if my question is unclear ask what is unclear
19:38<retro|blah>*exactly what you've done
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19:42<tempesta>a few things were done and it'll take some time to go through it. this is a general question: when you do: sudo apt-get purge citadel-server and it comes back and says: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: citadel-server : Depends: libcitadel4 (>= 8.20) but it is not installable", then what needs to be done?
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19:43<tempesta>i need to remove the partially installed package that has uninstallable dependencies, that is the question
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19:44<tempesta>citadel-server was installed, but it had uninstallable dependencies. how do i remove it?
19:45<cafuego_>tempesta: start with 'sudo apt-get -f install' and see what apt reckons.
19:45<cafuego_>tempesta: Mind you, the symptom you mention usually means your package lists are out of date.
19:46<tempesta>cafuego, thanx, that did it, appreciated
19:47<tempesta>cafuego, how do i get the latest package lists and upgrade to ubuntu 13... from 12.04?
19:47<cafuego_>'sudo apt-get update' for the first. As for the second, is this a server?
19:47<tempesta>yep
19:48<cafuego_>'stable server' and 'latest' don't usually mix.
19:48<cafuego_>If I were you I'd stick with the 12.04 LTS release.
19:50<EugeneKay>Something something Gentoo
19:50<tempesta>cafuego_, well, the problem with 12.04 is the citadel mail server concs out (coredumps) and it is a 2 year old bug and they did not fix it. So, i tried to get the latest packages from ubuntu, but then the whole dependency trip started, and when i try to install citadel from 12.04, it has an OLD version of citadel, which coredumps. that is why i thought of going to the latest ubuntu, hoping it has the new citadel server
19:50<EugeneKay>Stable AND latest! :-p
19:51<cafuego_>tempesta: Why don't you check whether the bug is fixed in a newer citadel and then check if it's in 13.x
19:51<cafuego_>tempesta: You can do that without "upgrade and see".
19:51<cafuego_>packages.ubuntu.com
19:52<tempesta>bug is not fixed and nobody seems to care about it. i wasted days looking all over the world, but there is no solution
19:52<tempesta>the bug appears only on 32bit O/S apparently
19:53<cafuego_>Right. So the fix is easy then :-)
19:53<tempesta>but the 64 bit version seems to work. it all worked fine till i switched to ubuntu 12.04
19:53<tempesta>cafuego_, what is the fix you have in mind?
19:53<MrPPS>tempesta: could always go source?
19:54<cafuego_>tempesta: Run a 64bit box?
19:54<tempesta>well, the citadel is quite a mess from what i've seen. it has several sub-packages and on and on. I could not find a single something that will allow me to install the latest verison of citadel on ubuntu 12.04
19:55<cafuego_>tempesta: Usually you'd grab the latest build dir, fixup build depends and then run that against the latest source and cross fingers.
19:55<tempesta>i can not run a 64bit box because i have a huge apache solr database and it runs on 32 bit, reinstalling or even upgrading that thing is days and weeks of work
19:56<cafuego_>I run solr fine on 64bit.
19:56<tempesta>cafuego_, well, but i started on 32bit version, and that is the problem. i did not want to take chances with 64bit
19:56<cafuego_>When did you start? In 1998?
19:57<tempesta>i started 4 years ago
19:57<tempesta>(with this linode)
19:57<cafuego_>Not sure what 'chances' you mean then ;-)
19:57<cafuego_>tempesta: Well, you could try an Ubuntu upgrade, but realistically you should be looking at migrating to 64bit.
19:58<tempesta>i don't want to talk about 32/64 bit compatibility problems that might have been worked out by now
19:58<cafuego_>Get a 2nd Linode for the week or so that takes
19:58<cafuego_>migrate a copy, test it ... if it has the same bug, blow away the linode and get refunded the unused time.
19:58<tempesta>cafuego_, well, the problem is solr for me and huge databases of stuff to be reindexed and that is a MAJOR hassle - weeks of work
19:59<cafuego_>Why can't you copy that data across, rather than reindex?
20:00<tempesta>cafuego_, i have solr 2.93 and now it is 4.5. i did not do the installation myself and the guy who did it is not available. i'd LOVE to update that thing and do not really mind switching to 64 bit
20:00<tempesta>cafuego_, how do you copy the data across in solr?
20:00<cafuego_>tempesta: I'd use rsync
20:00<cafuego_>I've moved services that way, but I can't guarantee that works from 32 to 64bit too.
20:01<cafuego_>Still, it's easily tested.
20:01<cafuego_>tempesta: Alternatively, keep the 32bit Linode for solr only and move other services to a 64bit one.
20:01<cafuego_>You can then perhaps downsize the 32bit one.
20:03<tempesta>cafuego_, i don't have the spair money to keep several linodes just to have my mail server running. all i want is to try to install the latest citadel without touching anything, cause anything else will be a major pain on the neck
20:04<cafuego_>So is "install the latest citadel without touching anything" - as you noticed :-)
20:04<tempesta>but HOW do i install the latest citadel? THAT is the question?
20:04*HoopyCat hits page down a few times, on the off chance that he's accidentally scrolled back a day
20:05<cafuego_>tempesta: Usually you'd grab the latest build dir, fixup build depends and then run that against the latest source and cross fingers.
20:06<tempesta>i don't think i even have a dev environment installed on my linode to do the builds, but i'm not sure
20:07<tempesta>i am not sure you can even build citadel without having a phd, cause it has several packages and once you start, you'll be running in circles for days
20:07<cafuego_>tempesta: The build scripts that are used by Ubuntu do that.
20:07<tempesta>cause they don't have just a single command to build the whole thing from what i have seen
20:08<cafuego_>So you drop those into a current source tree.
20:08<cafuego_>adjust the package version in the changelog, and off you go.
20:08<tempesta>but WHERE do i find them? the web pages i've seen is just like a mad house, absolutely unclear, no instructions of any kind and so on
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20:09<cafuego_>apt-get source citadel-server
20:09<cafuego_>See the debian/ dir under where it unpacks. Tadah!
20:09<tempesta>what source tree are you talking about? i just have a binary linode and there has never been any development on it as far as i know
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20:11<tempesta>cafuego_, can I pm you so we can talk without seeintg all other stuff?
20:11<cafuego_>Nope
20:12<cafuego_>I'd suggest you hit up the #ubuntu channel on freenode and ask someone to help you do a 13.10 backport of Citadel to 12.04.
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20:13<tempesta>ubuntu chan on freenode is a madhouse
20:14<XReaper>yup
20:14<ghosticus>why's that?
20:14<tempesta>so you can't get any help there
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20:14<ghosticus>:|
20:14<HoopyCat>http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/287d6389_1238584287_seinfeld_had_enough.gif
20:14<tempesta>because there are 300 people on it and 100 of them talk at the same time
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20:16<tempesta>i did "apt-get source citadel-server" and it did it. but WHERE is the stuff?
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20:17<tempesta>how do i BUILD the thing now?
20:17<XReaper>tempesta: only 300?
20:18<XReaper>*1716 in #ubuntu on freenode
20:18<ghosticus>:O
20:19<ghosticus>does anyone do scrolling macros :|
20:19<tempesta>well, it looks like it got me the OLDER version of citadel, prolly because it was ubuntu 12.04 tree
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20:19<XReaper>what's latest ubuntu lts, 12.04?
20:19<@heckman>For six months, yes
20:19<tempesta>the latest ubuntu is 13.10 or something
20:19<XReaper>right
20:19<XReaper>every two years right
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20:20<cafuego_>tempesta: Nothing stopping you from asking someone on that channel to help you via private messages.
20:20<XReaper>let's install slackware on tempesta's linode
20:20<tempesta>does it worth a try to upgrade ubuntu to 13.10? or is there any problem with it?
20:20<cafuego_>That's what that channel is *for*
20:20<ghosticus>XReaper: sounds like a plan
20:20<XReaper>:D
20:21*cafuego_ headdesks
20:21<Nightmare>personally I believe that the only linux distro available to deploy on linodes should be alackware
20:28<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
20:28<cafuego_>As long as it's slackware 3.
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20:28<Solver>I'm afraid so yes
20:28<cafuego_>mikegrb: Yup. I have an active slack 3 box. with libc5! ;-)
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20:29<cafuego_>Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586
20:29<Solver>paleolith
20:29<@mikegrb>sounds vulnerable
20:30<staticsafe>ohai mikegrb
20:30<cafuego_>I think it's pretty safe where it is.
20:30<HoopyCat>mikegrb's secret weapon? Santorum.
20:31<Yaakov>mikegrb is vulnerable, so treat him nicely.
20:32<cafuego_>This is a very nice cricket bat with a very nice rusty nail through it.
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20:47<@mikegrb>lulz
20:47<farfromhere>lol slackware
20:47<@mikegrb>lulz
20:47<farfromhere>slackware lol
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20:48<pronto>farfromhere: slackware = super lame arrogent creeps keep warning about random exploits
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20:50<farfromhere>heh
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20:59<rsdehart>that's very clever.
20:59<staticsafe>thats pronto's specialty
20:59<pronto>staticsafe++
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21:09<brenden>staticsafe: looool
21:09<brenden>pronto: hi
21:09<pronto>brenden: OMG HI
21:09<pronto>i love yo
21:09<brenden>o
21:11<brenden>pronto: CREEP
21:11<pronto>:(
21:11<pronto>yeah
21:11<pronto>i are
21:11<brenden>jk
21:13*brenden sets pronto on fire
21:13<pronto>:(
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.10738712, 0.88791191) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435445 of 554138 (π ≈ 3.143224250998849 - 0.001631597409056). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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