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---Logopened Tue Nov 12 00:00:25 2013
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00:11<linbot>James_T: Point (0.73856180, 0.48124277) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435473 of 554179 (π ≈ 3.143193805611544 - 0.001601152021751). http://π
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00:27<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
00:27<linbot>New news from forum: updated slackware images? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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00:28<ghosticus>! people still use slackware?!?!
00:28<James_T>mikegrb needs something for ! people still use gentoo?!?!
00:30<James_T>come on linbot
00:31<James_T>where mah thread
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00:33<linbot>New news from forum: Updated gentoo images? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
00:38<James_T>Having an argument with some retard who thinks http://π is incorrect form, but is correct form
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00:49<dwfreed>James_T: to be fair, as far as DNS is concerned, he's right
00:50<James_T>dwfreed: yeah, just that hexchat used to work with them but send it as punycode to the browser
00:50<James_T>I know it's punycode only in DNS
00:51<James_T>but clients should be smart enough to recognise it
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02:30<linbot>New news from forum: Replying to message I sent is bounced back by gmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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02:36<linbot>New news from forum: [Solved] Replying to message I sent is bounced back by gmail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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02:47<linbot>New news from forum: centos postfix spf ipv6 multiple host one ip in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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03:13<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
03:13<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 60.8F/16C, visibility 10 miles, wind 17.26 mph, wind chill 58.14F (altimeter: 30.32) [KDFW 120753Z 34015KT 10SM BKN065 16/11 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP260 WSHFT 46 FROPA T01610111 $]
03:13<purrdeta>fun stuff
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03:21<Ikaros>That is why I put that up. "WSHFT 46 FROPA" <-- Arctic cold front is through D/FW Int'l.
03:21<purrdeta>It will come to us soon
03:28<Ikaros>They say not tonight, but Tuesday night, a freeze will occur most/all areas in the NWS Ft. Worth area of responsiblity. Hell they had a freeze warning issued for the entire region just after 2 PM Monday.
03:30*dwfreed freezes Ikaros
03:30<purrdeta>Ikaros: same down here
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03:48<James_T>zsh's history handling is WAY more robust than bash
03:48<James_T>bash sucks
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03:57<linbot>New news from forum: Kernels with AUFS in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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04:03<linbot>New news from forum: Kernels with AUFS in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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04:05<James_T>Nobody cares about gentoo
04:05<James_T>dwfreed: i could have mentioned that AUFS hasn't been keeping up with mainline stable releases, but not.
04:06<James_T>Do Ubuntu kernels have xen domU support compiled in?
04:06<dwfreed>for 686, you have to use the pae kernel
04:06<dwfreed>for amd64, yes
04:06<James_T>I am aware of this
04:06<dwfreed>then why did you ask?
04:06<James_T>PAE is a requirement for xen-pv support
04:07<James_T>Just wasn't sure if they'd enabled domU support
04:07<James_T>i don't run lolbunty
04:07<dwfreed> is your friend
04:07<James_T>whenever i see something 'made for lolbuntu' i cry a little
04:07<James_T>then move along with my day and compile it on gentoo
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05:57<linbot>New news from forum: Kernels with AUFS in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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06:42<linbot>New news from forum: Is my Swap Usage Too High? in General Discussion <>
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06:48<hawk>2600:3c03::4c appears to be sad :/
06:49<gerry_>hi, i just did an ubuntu release upgrade 13.04 to 13.10, but after the upgrade i cant connect to nginx anymore, nothing in nginx error/access log, anyone an idea what to check?
06:49<@akerl>Is nginx running?
06:50<@mikegrb>better catch it!
06:50<HoopyCat>hawk: according to sources, 2600:3c03::D appears to be very happy. 2600:3c03::b is sticking its tongue out.
06:51<HoopyCat>gerry_: any firewalling in place that might be blocking it? (pastebin the output of iptables -L -n -v, as well as netstat -ntlp)
06:51<hawk>HoopyCat: Typical. I bet they don't serve the site, though?
06:51<encode>mikegrb speaks! what a rare event
06:51<James_T>mikegrb is a bot, everyone knows that
06:52<encode>i'm actually quite certain of the opposite
06:52<HoopyCat>hawk: may be a good idea to open a ticket
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06:53<HoopyCat>gerry_: seems reasonable... what's the IP address?
06:53<gerry_>is nginx only listening on ipv6?
06:53<dwfreed>hawk: poked the right people
06:53<hawk>dwfreed: Thanks
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06:54<James_T>gerry_: nope, it takes ipv4 traffic too on the v6 socket
06:54<James_T>some weird kernel magicks
06:54<dwfreed>it's not weird :P
06:54<James_T>it is too!
06:54<dwfreed>however, nginx changed the default behavior if you don't specify ipv6only
06:54<HoopyCat>i am getting connref on from here, too. what's your IPv6 address? (i wonder if that kernel magic is disabled...)
06:55<James_T>is there a net...answers own question
06:55<dwfreed>and 13.04 -> 13.10 might have crossed the version that changed this default
06:55<James_T>how many of windows' networking commands were 'stolen' from linux/bsd
06:55<James_T>gerry_: 403 Forbidden
06:55<James_T>it works
06:55<HoopyCat>gerry_: port 80 is listening there. i'm leaning towards dwfreed's idea
06:56<gerry_>thats still unexpected but better
06:56<dwfreed>gerry_: pastebin your nginx config
06:56<James_T>gerry_: you may need ipv6only=on on the vs listener
06:56<dwfreed>James_T: s/on/off/
06:56<James_T>dwfreed: oh? what's the default meant to be
06:56<dwfreed>James_T: as of a recent version of nginx, the default is on; the desired behavior here is likely off
06:57<James_T>dwfreed: Oh, that fixes the issue i've had
06:57<gerry_>must have changed in nginx then
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06:57<James_T>gerry_: yeah, add ipv6only=off then
06:57<gerry_>is that in the listen directive?
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07:01<James_T>gerry_: made the change?
07:01<gerry_>making it now
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07:02<gerry_>still conn ref
07:03<HoopyCat>try the other way? :-)
07:03<gerry_>which other way?
07:03<dwfreed>gerry_: did you *restart* nginx?
07:04<dwfreed>paste your listen directive as it is now?
07:04<HoopyCat>ipv6only=on instead of =off
07:04<HoopyCat>it's one or the other, unless it isn't
07:04<gerry_>i assume it needs to be off
07:05<dwfreed>also note that you need to apply that to all of your listen directives, or nginx ignores you
07:05<gerry_>yeah i edited all enabled sites
07:05<gerry_>maybe i missed one
07:05<gerry_>will check
07:05<dwfreed>what does nginx -t output?
07:06<gerry_>[emerg] duplicate listen options for [::]:80
07:06<dwfreed>oh, right, you only need to do it once
07:06<gerry_>how do you mean?
07:07<James_T>dwfreed: yeah, only on the main
07:07<HoopyCat>the iterative approach to configuration
07:07<dwfreed>gerry_: put the setting on only the server block that is first
07:08<dwfreed>correction, the server block that has default_server
07:08<dwfreed>ie, like this: listen [::]:80 default_server ipv6only=off;
07:08<gerry_>k, removing everywhere else :)
07:08<dwfreed>all others should look like this: listen [::]:80;
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07:12<gerry_>ok, that seems to help!
07:12<James_T>gerry_: woo! 403 Forbidden
07:13<gerry_>now my php isnt being executed sigh
07:13<gerry_>hah, fixed
07:15*HoopyCat executes the PHP
07:15<James_T>gerry_: HoopyCat just murdered your PHP! You should feel sad.
07:16<gerry_>isnt "php-apc" pointless with php 5.5?
07:16<gerry_>the package
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07:21<dwfreed>gerry_: afaik, yes
07:23<gerry_>ah, i see it also installed php5-apcu with the dist upgrade, for userland caching
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07:31<nem>had to get my ytcracker on:
07:31<James_T>Just noticed class 1 startssl certs have nothing but the email address that was used to get the cert
07:31<James_T>class 2's have your name and town/city
07:31<James_T>...duh, domain validated vs identity validated
07:31<nem>its snowing in jersey!
07:33<nem>oh man
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07:45<Ikaros|cell>Grr...OnCor sucks horrendously if their lines can't take a little wind. Power's died repeatedly 14 times the past 2 hrs and counting. :/
07:46<schonert>for some reason the photos i upload to my vps, don't get crunched? php-gd and ImageMagick are installed. any suggestions?
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07:52<Ikaros|cell>Are you sure on that?
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07:55<@akerl>schonert: What do you mean by "crunched"?
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08:00<schonert>akerl it's a wordpress term for creating different versions of the same image, in different sizes. i'm getting a hand in the wp channeel -thanks
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08:02<iBotPeaches>schonert: I'd say your permissions on some folder are off, so it cannot create them
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08:04<schonert>iBotPeaches it seems to be so :-)
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10:55<Alan_>bah, it should really be possible to download disk images directly from the linode manager...
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10:58<Surfer>If I added a new temporary box to my plan about 9 hours ago and don't need it anymore, do I cancel it now and get charged for under a day of usage or do they do it in full day blocks anyway, so just cancel it in 24 hours from when I got it?
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11:00<gparent>Alan_: You can use finnix, although that's not exactly what you want.
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11:01<Alan_>gparent: yeah, indeed :P
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11:02<gparent>While I have no problem downloading a small image over a rock solid fibre connection, it's not terrible reliable so using a tool like rsync isn't a bad idea.
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11:06<Surfer>(Anyone know if they charge by the hour or the day?)
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11:06<gparent>day for linode im pretty sure
11:07<Surfer>ah kk
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11:10<dwfreed>yeah, it's a day
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11:34<zym>I just paied for the Linode 1GB for one year, but my account is under "being reviewed"\"pending activition", anybody know why and what can I do ? thanks :)
11:37<zym>I only received a " Payment Receipt [2321738]" in my mail box, is this the activation email?
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11:39<@rohara>No, that's a payment receipt. Are you still unable to log in?
11:41<zym>ok!!! I tried to log in again, and it works, it says Please select the geographic location for this new Linode. I think it's ok now.
11:41<@rohara>Glad to hear it! Feel free to open a support ticket if you have any questions.
11:41<zym>thanks:) Maybe it's just a latency of something..;)
11:42<Alan>what the shit
11:42<Alan>lassie can go screw itself
11:43<Alan>so lassie reboots if you halt from inside the virtual machine
11:43<Alan>but using the "shutdown now" button on the linode manager seems to have given me an unclean shutdown where half my things were killed in the middle of file writes
11:44<@qmr>If your Linode does not shut down in 120 seconds we pull the plug.
11:44<Alan>it shut down in 5, apparently
11:44<@akerl>5 seconds?
11:44<jchen>otherwise it's a graceful signal to your Linode to power off
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11:44<Alan>as in, it was only 5 seconds between me hitting "shutdown now" and the "powered off" status coming up
11:44<@akerl>Then we didn't pull the plug. We send a CAD when you hit shutdown
11:45<@akerl>if the Linode hasn't shut down gracefully in 120 seconds, we pull the plug
11:45<Alan>it may have been in the middle of a boot at the time, since lassie had just rebooted it
11:45<Alan>is it possible the linode manager did something idiotic in that state?
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11:46<@akerl>The fact that the job took 5 seconds indicates that either your Linode was already off from your halt and we performed no action or that it cleanly shut down following the CAD
11:47<Alan>fair enough, then maybe there was something dumb going on in userspace on my linode...
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11:47<Alan>but even so... you're using augmented kernels and stuff, can you seriously not catch a "halt" from inside the linode as an event to not lassie-boot after?
11:47<@akerl>Augmented kernels?
11:48<Alan>are you not using patched kernels to support the virtualisation stuff anyway?
11:48<@akerl>Xen has been in mainline linux for a while now
11:48<dwfreed>heck, debian squeeze has it, and that's ancient
11:49<Alan>I guess it has for over 2 years now... it wasn't when i first became a Linode customer, i forgot that was a thing that had happened
11:49<@akerl>From our end, we don't know why a Linode goes from running to not running, only that it does. If Lassie is ruining your day, LISH does support halting, or you can disable Lassie
11:49<dwfreed>ye old xenlinux days
11:49<Alan>lish supports halting?
11:49<Alan>how does it do that then?
11:49<dwfreed>you can stop your Linode from the LISH shell, after detaching from your console
11:49<@akerl>(ctrl-a, d) to get to the LISH prompt
11:50<@akerl>then type `help` for a list of fun commands
11:50<dwfreed>by inserting a shutdown job just like the Linode Manager
11:50<Alan>oh, i see...
11:50<Alan>ok, so riddle me this
11:51<ghosticus>what has wings and is a rat
11:51<Alan>if you can't distinguish between a halt and a crash, how the hell does lassie *not* screw stuff up when you reboot?
11:51<@akerl>? whatcha mean?
11:51<Alan>or is it really just polling and luck?
11:51<@akerl>There's no such thing as a reboot from command line
11:51<@akerl>You halt, then lassie boots
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11:52<Alan>well a "normal" reboot is like a shutdown that sets some hardware flags to power cycle, right? (on a physical machine)
11:52<@akerl>Whether you get to a powered off state via `reboot`, `shutdown now`, `shutdown -whatever`, etc, your Linode halts
11:52<Alan>oh, i guess in that case, whatever "reboot" does special is ignored anyway
11:52<Alan>because there's nothing to pay attention to it
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12:35<applematt>Does anyone have experience using openswan with a Linode kernel or know how to use a CentOS-provided kernel?
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12:36<applematt>pluto is segfaulting when using a specific encryption and hashing algo regardless of what linode kernel I use or version of openswan I use.
12:36<applematt>however, it works fine when using a CentOS-stock kernel in a VM I have hosted elsewhere.
12:37<Nivex>look in /proc/config.gz and see if that algo is disabled.
12:39<applematt>Nivex: thank you, I'm looking now.
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12:52<applematt>i see that CONFIG_CRYPTO_SHA1_SSSE3 is not set. could that interfere with using 3des encryption and sha1 hashing?
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12:53<dwfreed>applematt: 3DES is not secure; you shoudn't use it
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12:54<applematt>dwfreed: i agree, but my customer insists on using it for the ipsec tunnel on their end.
12:55<dwfreed>applematt: you should insist that they get a clue
12:55<@qmr>sadly that is usually easier said than done
12:55<dwfreed>you should never be afraid to fire a customer :)
12:57<applematt>well then i'll insist that i can't use it then.
12:57<applematt>thanks for the support everyone!
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13:28<gparent>So when an Ubuntu release falls out of maintance, does it sometimes still get updates from benevolent maintainers?
13:28<gparent>Or do they refuse to push out new packages
13:29<gparent>Assuming no extra apt reports than the distribution ones
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13:34<HedgeMage>gparent: official repos stop getting updates, at least that was the policy when I was an Edubuntu core dev
13:37<gparent>this is going to be a lot more fun than I expected
13:37<gparent>thanks hed
13:37<gparent>o_O HedgeMage
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13:38<Nivex>i've also seen the release fall off the mirrors, which makes apt go out of its mind
13:38<gparent>this isnt my server so I'm okay, just doing some recon
13:38<EugeneKay>Just run Gentoo. /me ducks
13:38<HedgeMage>They do, but many mirror maintainers don't go back and clean up so you can usually find the packages somewhere
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13:39<ghosticus>! people still use gentoo?!?!
13:39<gparent>the gentoo devs do
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13:39<gparent>though most of them switched to arch!!
13:39<EugeneKay>I wouldn't call it "using"
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13:39<@akerl>Nivex: They shift them over to
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14:11<Akuta>hi guys! having... a small retardation moment. shell/ftp works, but doesn't. recovering username isn't going to my email (or spam). support email has ignored 2 days. any faster route to help?
14:12<@akerl>Akuta: What part of doesn't work?
14:12<Akuta>my username/password. but recovering username or password is not going to my email, its like my email on record changed basically
14:13<@akerl>Is the email on file for your account being served by your Linode?
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14:13<@akerl>We respond to all the requests we get, generally with a 10-15 minute turnaround; so if your password resets & email to us didn't end up with emails in your inbox, it's potentially a mail-reception issue
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14:38<pkwong>ping / howdy.. just curious.. are there bandwidth limits in place on the vps nics?
14:38<sea456>DNS question: Suppose the DNS server I use is located in, say, Iran. Then suppose Iran shuts down the internet. What will that mean for DNS? Will the propagated DNS still allow the rest of the world to access the domains?
14:39<gparent>You DNS information isn't propagated anywhere, it's just cached by various servers.
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14:39<gparent>So your zone may or may not be available for a certain amount of time, usually up to your records' TTL
14:39<Ikaros>If you only use the one in Iran...and Iran cuts off internet...your DNS dies with it, so the other nameservers will cache the previous result until the TTL expires.
14:39<gparent>You defeat this by having more than one nameservers.
14:39<pkwong>sea: get a few more dns servers in place..
14:40<@caker>pkwong: hello. Inbound is not limited, outbound is to 250 Mbit/sec, which can be raised with justification
14:40<sea456>gparent, ah! DNS servers spread across the world you mean?
14:40<Ikaros>lol jk
14:40<gparent>Well yes, as ten servers in Iran wouldn't help much if Iran has no internet.
14:40<sea456>great idea!!
14:40<gparent>I think Linode has one in each DC but I could be wrong.
14:40<sea456>thank you
14:40<Ikaros>It's recommended to have nameservers all over in the event you have something like this.
14:40<Ikaros>Eliminate the single point of failure.
14:40<sea456>nice to know!!
14:41<pkwong>@caker: thanks :) just wondering why my packets seem rate limited.. (well, it feels that way).
14:42<pkwong>I seem to be hitting a wall @ 36-ish Mbps..
14:42<@caker>no way that's on our end, fwiw.
14:42<gparent>There are two endpoints and various nodes in-between
14:43<@akerl>pkwong: Where are you connecting to, from which DC, and using what protocol?
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14:44<pkwong>I'm vpn in / out to my linode.. cpu utilization is below 1% on the server.. and I'm on a .7 Gbps connection where I'm at.
14:45<@akerl>What does MTR look like between your location and the Linode?
14:46<sea456>Suppose a US visitor visits a website Will the user experience any website loading improvement if the DNS server is located close to him in the US, as opposed to in Iran?
14:46<sea456>I mean, is the difference usually significant?
14:47<jed>sea456: are you from Iran?
14:47<sea456>just an example
14:47<@akerl>Seems like an odd example
14:47<sea456>replace Iran with Singapore or whatever
14:47<sea456>I'm trying to learn about DNS :)
14:47<@akerl>But not really. Pretty much everybody is using caching resolvers, so the only lag is on the first request, and that's only if the resolver doesn't have it cached
14:48<sea456>ah ok. so it would be less likely to be a problem for than with
14:49<kyhwana>sea456: This is why you run multiple DNS servers, some places run them all over the world, at CDNs, etc
14:49<@akerl>Put... my DNS at CDNs?
14:50<sea456>kyhwana: yeah but they are given in specific order, e.g.,,, ... Doesn't that mean it will ALWAYS use if that is online?
14:50<@akerl>There is no order
14:50<dzho>only chaos
14:50<kyhwana>akerl: well, whatever akamai does
14:50<sea456>ok, so how does it determine which one to pick?
14:50<kyhwana>unicast things
14:50<gparent>probably anycast.
14:51<kyhwana>gparent: yeah, that
14:51<gparent>:) figured you knew
14:51*kyhwana drinks his first coffee faster.
14:51<@akerl>sea456: The same way you pick which lottery numbers to bet on
14:51<gparent>bind uses my birthday?
14:51<@akerl>aka "depends on the client"
14:51<jed>akerl: nice save
14:51<gparent>nice save
14:51<gparent>Okay I'm out
14:52<@akerl>jed: fwiw, I was heading there from the start :P
14:52<sea456>ok, so it has nothing to do with which is "faster"
14:52<sea456>or "closer"
14:52<gparent>they all say that
14:52<jed>sea456: what does 'faster' mean? what does 'closer' mean?
14:52<@akerl>sea456: The only way to know which is faster would be to try them all... which is slower
14:52<jed>when you're talking about networking, those terms have no meaning
14:52<@qmr>sea456: what is 'it'? In the context I think you are thinking of, 'it' will choose the server with the lowest round trip time. initial RTT should be set such that all servers will be tried eventually to determine which has the least latency
14:53<@akerl>what did I just read
14:53<sea456>so a US visitor to a site with and is just as likely to have it go through the latter
14:53<sea456>or no less likely
14:53<Yaakov>49 megabits/second.
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14:54<sea456>very interesting
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14:54<sea456>akerl, by the way, are the ns1, ns2, ns3, ns4 linode servers spread across the US?
14:54<Yaakov>sea456: Of course.
14:54<Yaakov>And, London.
14:55<@akerl>Each Linode nameserver is in a different DC. One in each US datacenter and Yaakov beat me to it
14:55<gparent>Yaakov is actually one of Linode's nameservers. As you can see he's quite low latency.
14:55<sea456>how is DNSSEC progress coming along?
14:55<ghosticus>akerl: Yaakov beat you because he loves you
14:55<@akerl>sea456: It's somewhere around the same level as IPv6 adoption
14:55<Yaakov>I have been to Linodia, as if in a dream...
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14:56<gparent>I remember dreaming about Linode upgrades.
14:56<sea456>akerl, cool. so linode's part in that is basically done?
14:56<gparent>I forgot the dream, though.
14:56<sea456>linode have ipv6 covered 100%
14:56<sea456>whcih is great
14:57<@akerl>If you want to use our nameservers to serve zones with DNSSEC, you need to use a slave zone and run your own master
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14:57<sea456>akerl: will this change later?
14:57<@akerl>No idea
14:58<KamiNuvini>Does anyone have experience with running uwsgi? How does it work with vhosts? I'm seeing this init script in the library but it simply runs with certain daemon opts, doesn't that limit it to "1" vhost? Is there something like PHP-FPM where I just configure pools in the pools.d/ directory and restart uwsgi and it loads them all?
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15:01<sea456>There are only five nameservers, ns1,ns2,ns3,ns4,ns5 yet 6 data centers
15:01<sea456>Tokyo, London, Newark, Atlanta, Dallas, Fremont
15:01<sea456>which is for which?
15:02<gparent>If you mtr a Linode IP you'll see what router it goes through. Or you can use whois, etc.
15:02<KamiNuvini>I know ns5 is London
15:02<gparent>though whois might just say 'Linode'
15:03<baconcake>and yet most registrars allow you to add a max of 5 nameservers
15:04<ghosticus>1 looks like dallas
15:04<baconcake>ghosticus looks like dallas?
15:04<gparent>he does
15:04<@akerl>dallas, fremont, atlanta, newark, london, NULL, in that order
15:04<KamiNuvini>there they are :)
15:04<gparent>NULL is a great one.
15:05<baconcake>akerl: is that 0-indexed counting?
15:05<@akerl>It's not
15:05<baconcake>Ah, you're one of those.
15:05<@akerl>ns0 is the secret new one
15:05<baconcake>And it is located everywhere?
15:05<ghosticus>even in cakes?
15:06<baconcake>mmm cakes
15:06<gparent>It uses the premiere ANYcake routing technology.
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15:06<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:06<gparent>with failover to bacon.
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15:12<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:13<@mikegrb>mmm cake
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15:19<sea456>One last DNS question though
15:19<@akerl>Ok, you've got us; DNS isn't real
15:20<sea456>where is the "root" stored? By "root", I mean where does the system see which nameservers to use for a given domain. E.g. suppose I specify those nameservers in my domain settings in Namecheap. Where exactly does Namecheap record that "root"?
15:20<sea456>and what if that root goes offline?
15:21<@akerl>sea456: Run `dig +trace`
15:21<kyhwana>sea456: if all the root servers go down (there's quite a few of them and I think they're anycast) everything is fucked
15:21<@akerl>You can watch it jump down the tree
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15:23<sea456>So it's up to each TLD (.com, .no, .sg, etc.) to properly record the root on multiple root servers across the globe?
15:23<@akerl>? What do you mean by "record the root"
15:24<sea456>record which nameservers should be used for that domain
15:24<@akerl>The root servers don't know that
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15:24<sea456>Then who does? What happens when I specify and in my settings of a particular domain?
15:24<@akerl>The root servers know which nameservers are in charge of each TLD. The TLD nameservers know who is in charge of the domains under them, etc etc
15:25<@akerl>Like I said, `dig +trace` a domain
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15:25<sea456>ok, so let's take Norway for example
15:26<sea456>Are the .no nameservers stored only in Norway or elsewhere too?
15:26<baconcake>sea456: physically where they are has no bearing on the understanding
15:26<baconcake>but, the root nameservers will tell your resolver who knows about .no domains
15:27<baconcake>sea456: just trace
15:27<baconcake>oops, that isn't what i expected
15:28<ghosticus>way to break stuff bcake
15:28<@akerl>baconcake: It looks like I thought it would
15:28<baconcake>Google runs IIS?
15:28<sea456>Ok let's take that example then
15:28<sea456>dig +trace
15:29<sea456>in the first section we see
15:29<baconcake>sea456: do a dig +trace
15:29<baconcake>extra layer there
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15:29<@akerl>Right, more complexity will do wonders for this example :P
15:31<sea456>oh interesting
15:31*gparent cheers at complexity
15:32<sea456>Judging from the IP address of that first "no" nameserver, is in the US!
15:32<sea456>so i guess they decided the spread them physically
15:32<baconcake>Again, physical location of the nameservers has no relevance to understand the system.
15:32<gparent>Not sure how you looked it up, but nameservers can also be located all over the world, sharing one IP address that will direct you to a close location.
15:33<baconcake>If they are spread it's to reduce latency, and add redundancy.
15:33<sea456>baconcake: I know but it's an important choice if Norway went down :)
15:33<sea456>norway internet i.e.
15:33<sea456>so .no domains would still work outside norway
15:33<baconcake>Norway is too important to go down.
15:33<gparent>TOO BIG TO FAIL.
15:33<sea456>ok this is COOL
15:34<sea456>thanks for all the help
15:34<baconcake>sea456: also you must take caching in consideration.
15:34<sea456>helped alot
15:35*baconcake adjusts the tip jar
15:36*ghosticus throws in a pence
15:37<linbot>New news from forum: [CentOS 6,4] init.d doesn't remove PID on reboot. in General Discussion <>
15:38<baconcake>I don't suppose a suggestion to switch to systemd will help in that thread
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16:30<io_>hi i am using mysqldump to move a database between two linodes, when I try to upload the db I get a "dump completed" message but no tables are created
16:30<@caker>upload the db? you mean re-import it?
16:31<@caker>LinodeA->mysqldump to file -> copy file to LinodeB->mysql command to import the file <-- done. yes?
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16:33<io_>caker: right
16:33<io_>first i dump in linodeA then scp to linode2, then create the DB in linode2 then try to mysqldump upload tables
16:34<@akerl>The fact that it says "dump completed" makes it sound like it's exporting, not importing
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16:35<io_>nop , i am using the <
16:35<io_>and if i do a ls -la i can see both sql files are the same size
16:36<@akerl>What's the exact command you're using to import?
16:36<@caker>you are running "mysql ... < dump.sql" or "mysqldump ... < dump.sql" to do the import?
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16:37<io_>caker: mysqldump
16:38<io_>akerl: mysqldump -u root -ppass mydbname < mydb.sql
16:39<@akerl>io_: Try using `mysql` instead?
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16:39<io_>just mysql instead of mysqldump?
16:39<@caker>mysqldump dumps databases - it doesn't import them :)
16:40<@caker>at least, not that I know of. You want to use the "mysql" client program to replay the dump file.
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16:40<io_>doesn t it restore dbs inverting the > char ?
16:40<eagles>hey guys :)
16:40<@akerl>io_: Nope
16:40<eagles>hey akerl :)
16:40<@qmr>io_: mysqldump prints database stuffs to stdout
16:40<@qmr>if you want to import it you should pipe it through mysql
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16:40<eagles>hey qmr
16:42<@qmr>mysql myawesomedb < myawesomedb.sql or so
16:43<io_>ok got it, i got the command wrong
16:44<jed>I've had a rough night, and I hate the Eagles, man
16:45<eagles>jed: my name has nothing to do with any sports team
16:45<eagles>its my nickname actually
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16:45<EagleEye>there cuz i forget we have another eagle
16:45<EagleEye>in the room
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16:46<jed>EagleEye: twas a joke unrelated to you and sports, fwiw
16:47<jed> (nsfw audio)
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17:08<io_>so i am still stuck at the mysqldump, or, the command seems to be stuck, i tried twicw but it never ends
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17:08<io_>there are 198 tables created, on the original db there are more than 400
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17:09<@akerl>What's the exact command you're using to import?
17:09<io_>akerl this time is correct : mysql -r root -ppass mydv < mydb.sql
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17:09<@akerl>What does strace say?
17:11<io_>akerl what exactly from strace?
17:12<@akerl>Well if you strace the mysql process and it's still truckin away, then it's still truckin away
17:12<ghosticus>honk honk
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17:15<io_>i ll try to do a new dump from the original DB
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17:19<io_>maybe I am hitting some limitation in mysql configuration
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17:35<io_>it was just phpmyadmin showing the total of tables in two different way (two different versions)
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17:36<io_>anyway the mysql command is stuck still
17:36<@akerl>What does stracing it show?
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17:39<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrading Squeeze to Wheezy with DotDeb already in source in General Discussion <>
17:39<EagleEye>hey ghosticus
17:39<EagleEye>is anyone in here using samba 4.1.1 as i have a question about it
17:40<io_>akerl; a lot of stuff like ioctl(0, TIOCGWINSZ, {ws_row=39, ws_col=125, ws_xpixel=0, ws_ypixel=0}) and hangs there
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17:42<@akerl>So it's still truckin along
17:43<io_>akerl: tables are all created
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17:53<io_>akerl: after a little while I did a(nother) ctrl-C and got a Write failed: Broken pipe, then kicked out of ssh
17:54<@akerl>Why did you kill it?
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17:59<io_>akerl am I assuming wrong that after 15 minutes that all tables are created, something is definetely wrong?
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18:00<@akerl>IIRC, all tables are made at the start, and then it does all the inserts
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18:00<@akerl>The fact that strace was still printing stuff means the process is still doing stuff
18:00<io_>its 190MB DB
18:00<io_>can t take that long (?)
18:03<ghosticus>io_: are the tables innodb?
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18:09<io_>innodn and isam
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18:12<ghosticus>maybe something's locked...
18:13<@caker>lock and load
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18:26<baconcake>does anyone know of any exchanges that are open right now?
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18:26<baconcake>Tokyo only opens in 34 minutes
18:26<linbot>New news from forum: Mail Server Performance in Performance and Tuning <>
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18:32<baconcake>best korea or worst korea?
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18:35<ghosticus>obviously best
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18:38<EagleEye>OMG its baconcake
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18:48<linbot>New news from forum: Mail Server Performance in Performance and Tuning <>
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19:16<linbot>New news from forum: Mail Server Performance in Performance and Tuning <>
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19:21<James_T>baconcake: best korea is north korea, dude.
19:21<James_T>you should know this
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19:30<Peng>James_T: There's only one Korea, dude. Part of it's just occupied.
19:30*Peng runs
19:31<James_T>plz made sense
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19:32<James_T>i wonder why they made the endite 10/8 for private addressing... really large networks?
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19:34<ghosticus>urmom's network
19:35<danblack>James_T, well there's companies like IBM where it wasn't big enough. The espected use wasn't really estimated at the time it was development. Now the reserved space - that was a waste that was never going to be useable once they reserved it.
19:36<James_T>You've got that whole 8 and a few /16's
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19:38<@irgeek>Even if all that space was made available, it would only delay exhaustion by a few months - *maybe* as much as a couple of years.
19:38<James_T>irgeek: yeah, didn't the last /8 get allocated not that long ago?
19:39<danblack>more highlighting it from a bad kind of thing to write in a spec. Agree - it won't have significantly helped.
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19:39<kyhwana>James_T: it was a few years ago, in fact
19:39<James_T>kyhwana: true
19:40<@irgeek>Last /8 were allocated from IANA to RIRs in Feb 2011.
19:40<@irgeek>APNIC dipped below a /8 left in Apr 2011. RIPE dipped below a /8 left in Sep 2012.
19:41<@irgeek>ARIN & LACNIC are expected to hit that within 18 months.
19:41<@irgeek>AFRINIC is good-to-go for about 10 years.
19:41<jchen>afrinic is the future
19:41*jchen moves to south africa
19:42<James_T>It's africa
19:42<jchen>1) buy server in africa
19:42<jchen>2) SEO for days
19:42<jchen>3) ???
19:42<jchen>4) profit
19:42<kyhwana>ARIN is predicted to run out Jan 2015
19:42<James_T>Australia uses hardly any of the APNIC ip space
19:43<James_T>Greedy asians -.-
19:43<@irgeek>There are currently two or three undersea cables being run to the southern tip of Africa.
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19:44<jchen>is it currently all overland through europe?
19:44<@irgeek>Once those are in place and ARIN & LACNIC run out, I would be be surprised to see a sudden surge in Internet companies in Africa.
19:44<trippeh>Linode Africa
19:44<trippeh>go go go
19:44<@irgeek>jchen: No, but the new cables have much, much more capacity than what's there now.
19:45<James_T>fancy light encoding machines
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19:47<James_T>RackSpace AU is expensive, so is EC2 :(
19:47<James_T>all the 'australian' australian hosts are cheaper
19:48<Peng>Amazon and Rackspace are always expensive.
19:48<James_T>the aussie hosts routinely run hosts with degraded raid arrays, and use consumer grade hardware
19:49<array>James_T: what aussie hosts are you referring to?
19:50<James_T>the one i am currently using that's billing page was broken when i signed up?
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19:50<@akerl>Well gosh, that narrows it down
19:50<array>helpful, thanks. i'll be sure to stay away from that provider.
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19:51<rnowak>James_T is xreaper, for anyone confused
19:51<rnowak>this might explain a lot, you're welcome
19:51<ghosticus>OH IS IT
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19:52<ghosticus>is xreaper gone?
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19:52<Peng>he finally reaped all the X
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19:55<ghosticus>former president james taylor
19:55<ghosticus> xreaper!
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19:55<xreaper>array: you -could- whois the ipv6 address, if you want. not forcing you to :)
19:55<Peng>worst ip address ever
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19:56<Peng>long, too
19:56<xreaper>SLAAC address yadda yadda
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20:07<eyepulp>are nodebalancers using haproxy?
20:07<James_T>nginx i think
20:08<James_T>could be way off, however :)
20:08<James_T>you get the works, ssl termination, awesomeness + more
20:09*ghosticus terminates James_T
20:09*James_T is terminated
20:09<Peng>AFAIK NodeBalancers are CLOUD
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20:09<James_T>CLOUD = NGINX
20:10<Peng>You have ruined the magic.
20:10<James_T>Peng: Could just be anycasted
20:10<James_T>ip failover!
20:11<xreaper>so cloud
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20:22<eyepulp>we're using the nodebalancers for smtp traffic routing. Trying to figure out if we can get the original source IP
20:22<Peng>You can't.
20:22<Peng>NodeBalancers only original source IPs for HTTP(S).
20:24<James_T>Sense. You can make?
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20:26<Peng>stick the word "support" somewhere in that sentence.
20:26*James_T give Peng some Sense.
20:26<James_T>Sense. You can support make?
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20:42<Surfer>Hey guys, any tech gurus here? :p
20:42<Peng>No, they're on strike.
20:42<Peng>This is the knitting club meeting.
20:42<Surfer>I came in here the other day to explain I was having server issues. Several people who have advanced experience running servers couldn't figure out the problem.
20:44<Surfer>A couple of people offered help if I could bring one of them in here to explain the issue.
20:44<Surfer>So now one's here! :p
20:44<Surfer>Kaga you should explain what's going on and maybe someone will know what to do or why it's happening.
20:45<rnowak>I like pie
20:45<Peng>I'd like to be able to type.
20:45<jed>typing is overrated
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20:45<jchen>is this like a conference IRC
20:46<jed> <-- the future.
20:46<@akerl>Nah, we're just extending the "relay" part a bit
20:46<@akerl>more hops
20:46<rnowak>Peng uses a telegraph as input device
20:48<Surfer>(The guy who is running my server is going to explain what's wrong in a bit. I think he died momentarily. XD)
20:49<@irgeek>Your best bet is to just explain the issue and see if anyone responds.
20:49<rnowak>I'm betting on alien infestations, fwiw
20:49<ChairmanKaga>yeah, I'm inclined to think aliens at this point, too
20:49<ChairmanKaga>basically, trying to identify a PHP/Wordpress performance issue on our linode
20:50<sphenoid>Question: a) is it safe? AND b) how do i get this result? (
20:50<ChairmanKaga>it's getting hung up in low-level functions like sanitize_post, taking 100-200ms per call on an xdebug profile
20:50<ChairmanKaga>load the exact same code on a Celeron box and it runs instantly
20:50<sphenoid>I'm essentially urldecoding() from $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']
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20:51<rnowak>sphenoid: yeah don't do that
20:52<ChairmanKaga>we were thinking server load, but exhibits the same behavior on a brand new linode with zero load on it
20:52<sphenoid>rnowak, is there a safe way to do it ?
20:53<sphenoid>oh oops..i'm not on PHP
20:53<rnowak>sphenoid: if you're going to be injecting anything you've received from users back onto a page, it needs to be encoded for that
20:53<Peng>sphenoid: "$location should now have 4 elements" <- "should" is not the right way to deal with user input.
20:53<sphenoid>sorry fellas
20:53<@akerl>Users should ensure they aren't hacking my site
20:53<rnowak>wrong channel or not, you will be in for a lot of pain doing that, so take care of it
20:54<sphenoid>ok..fellas..i'm listening
20:55<Surfer>(Anyone know what to do about Kaga and my problem?)
20:55<rnowak> sounds like it might be it, but I've not looked at php in a long while
20:56<@akerl>Surfer: What resource is bottlenecking?
20:56<@irgeek>What is "sanitize_post" doing?
20:56<Surfer>(I don't know anything about servers, Kaga is the guy who runs mine. :p)
20:56<rnowak>so you're running xdebug, and you're profiling it... what does it say is taking time?
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20:57<sphenoid>rnowak, thanks mate
20:57<sphenoid>rnowak, reading up on it now
20:59<jchen>jed: that's a pretty cool talk
20:59<ChairmanKaga>rnowak: it's hanging up in various low-level Wordpress functions like sanitize_post (which is mostly just a bunch of text filters to avoid XSS/CSRF/etc)
21:00<ChairmanKaga>but this *only* happens on the linode
21:00<ChairmanKaga>we loaded the same code on a crappy Celeron box and those same functions are instant
21:00<ChairmanKaga>pretty sure 8GB linode is not supposed to be getting outclassed by a Celeron
21:01<iBotPeaches>ChairmanKaga: do you have any plugins? what version of php? which apache handler?
21:01<jed>jchen: I know, right?
21:02<jed>(first demo: 9min or so)
21:02<ChairmanKaga>php 5.4.18, running fpm behind nginx
21:03<ChairmanKaga>we ruled out plugins as the issue
21:03<rnowak>ChairmanKaga: paste xdebug's output, both from the linode and your other box?
21:04<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
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21:06<ChairmanKaga>all I've got are the cachegrind outputs and they're like 40MB
21:07<@akerl>What happened to the xdebug output?
21:08<ChairmanKaga>uh, that *is* the xdebug output
21:08<rnowak>so run them through a graphical visualiser and paste screenshots with as much details as possible
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21:10<rnowak>besides, xdebug can output aggregates too
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21:18<@irgeek>Surfer: How much traffic is hitting the Linode when you're seeing the slowdowns, and how much is hitting the "crappy Celeron box" when you're testing there?
21:21<Surfer>We definitely have a bunch of traffic on the current one
21:21<Surfer>And none on the other
21:21<Surfer>But I think they determined that was only part of the issue
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21:22<rnowak>is chairmankaga coming back with more info or did he hope someone here had a crystal ball?
21:22<Surfer>No he's coming back
21:22<Surfer>He has a bad connection
21:22<Surfer>It's been like that all day
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21:28<ChairmanKaga>sorry, stupid laptop froze
21:29<ChairmanKaga>anyway, I've already done all this profiling analysis
21:29<jed>linbot: version
21:29<linbot>jed: The current (running) version of this Supybot is The newest version available online is
21:29<jed>you guys need limnoria
21:29<jed>that wasn't random, I just installed it
21:30<ChairmanKaga>now I just need to know why this only behaves this way in the linode environment
21:30<jed>Nov12 18:19:45 < jeds> q: version
21:30<jed>Nov12 18:19:46 < q> jeds: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 2013-11-03T19-30-52, running on Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Apr 23 2011, 20:36:49) [GCC 4.4.4 20100726 (Red Hat 4.4.4-13)]. The newest versions available online are 2013-11-10T10-45-01 (in testing), 2013-11-03T18-30-52 (in master).
21:30<dwfreed>jed: heh
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21:32<rnowak>"I've profiled it, but I don't know why it is different, can someone guess for me?" is practically what you're saying
21:34<ChairmanKaga>what else do you want to know? physical box, runs fine. linode, 50x performance decrease.
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21:35<@akerl>It would help if you provided the stats
21:35<@akerl>Or identified which resource was the bottleneck
21:35<rnowak>there's obviously something, which through profiling could be determined, that is different somewhere
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21:37<ChairmanKaga>as a sample
21:37<ChairmanKaga>sanitize_post_field (linode): 1,267ms total self, 18,528 calls
21:37<ChairmanKaga>sanitize_post_field (physbox): 26ms total self, 18,528 calls
21:37<@akerl>What resource is the bottleneck?
21:37<rnowak>that's too granular, "we must go deeper!"
21:38<ChairmanKaga>if I knew what resource was the bottleneck, I wouldn't be here
21:38<ChairmanKaga>we loaded it onto a fresh linode just to rule out resource contention
21:38<ChairmanKaga>same issue
21:38<ChairmanKaga>same timings, even
21:38<@akerl>We can't see what resources you're using... benchmark it, and look at resource usage, and see what spikes
21:40<rnowak>we also can't see what is causing the increase in run time, that one function is too granular, as it is unlikely linear across its entire body
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21:44<@qmr>jed: neat talk
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21:50<@irgeek>ChairmanKaga: When you tested on the fresh Linode, was normal traffic hitting that Linode too, or was it just your test running?
21:51<ChairmanKaga>no, that was part of the test, to see if it was just server load throwing us off
21:52<ChairmanKaga>fresh linode was zero traffic
21:53<ChairmanKaga>faster than the live linode (understandable), but still 2-3x slower than the physical box
21:55<ChairmanKaga>comparing profiles side-by-side, everything looks the same until we get down to these really granular functions
21:56<ChairmanKaga>and there's no reason for them to be different, sanitize_post_field is a noop in the context it's running in this test
21:57<@akerl>I have this slight feeling it isn't
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22:24<gansbrest>Hi. Trying to read my network graph after switch to a new linode box, before it used to be like this (lots of established connections)
22:24<gansbrest>now it's like this
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22:25<gansbrest>most of the connections are in TIME_WAIT state
22:25<gansbrest>I used nginx as reverse proxy to apache backend
22:26<gansbrest>I wonder why established connections would drop
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22:31<@irgeek>My guess would be it's a different kernel and Munin may need updating.
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.18866378, 0.35855930) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435478 of 554185 (π ≈ 3.143195864196974 - 0.001603210607181). http://π
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