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#linode IRC Logs for 2013-11-17

---Logopened Sun Nov 17 00:00:22 2013
---Daychanged Sun Nov 17 2013
00:00<dcraig>oh, sweet baby james
00:02<James_T>your day just went from worse to apocalyptic
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00:07<pharaun>sheep zombies
00:07<pharaun>Baa
00:09*SDr re-installing full box, and feeling like '99
00:10<Peng>I have lost faith in humanity and hate them all. Back in 2009 companies got caught using unregistered "internal"/"intranet" domains on the .int TLD -- and CAs would sell them SSL certificates! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526560
00:10<SDr>10 years ago, I would've sworn on the necessity of shell going away Any Minute Now
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00:10<James_T>I'm surprised how much i can fit in 16MB
00:11<James_T>a whole linux distro in under 8MB
00:11<James_T>crazy
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00:13<dcraig>would still take like 6 floppies
00:13<James_T>my router has a 16MB flash
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00:24*heckman whistle
00:24<heckman>s
00:24<heckman>even
00:24<heckman>Man, retina displays are so beautiful. :|
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00:25<heckman>jesus: for a man of such...power, you do have some terrible internet connectivity.
00:25<dwfreed>hehe
00:25<staticsafe>well he is on eduroam
00:25<staticsafe>he/she*
00:26<dwfreed>I have 329 quits in my scrollback
00:30<pharaun>who
00:30<@mikegrb>lulz
00:30<James_T>lol
00:31<James_T>heshe*
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00:35<linbot>New news from forum: What anti spam is used on this forum? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10624&p=61438#p61438>
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00:41<James_T>akerl is used on the forum
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00:50<Terabyte>hey
00:50<dcraig>howdy
00:50<Terabyte>how long does it take after having updated A/AAAA records for the changes to be visible
00:50<Terabyte>take effect*
00:50<dcraig>about 15 minutes?
00:50<dcraig>but your computer could have the old records cached
00:51<Terabyte>i'm running a tracert on list.tf and it's still showing the wrong server.
00:51<Terabyte>ah
00:51<Terabyte>how do I slap my computer about a bit?
00:51<dcraig>lovingly?
00:51<linbot>New news from forum: What anti spam is used on this forum? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10624&p=61439#p61439>
00:51<@mdc>Dunking it in water usually works. Although don't expect it to recover gracefully.
00:51<Terabyte>no way to do it without rebooting?
00:52<Peng>Yes and no.
00:52<@mdc>You may be able to clear your cache, but that won't fix an ISP who has the info cached.
00:52<Terabyte>ah k
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00:52<Peng>Local caches can be cleared without resorting to the nuclear option of a reboot.
00:53<Terabyte>meh,
00:53<Terabyte>i'll reboot
00:53<Peng>:\
00:53<Peng>Whyyyy
00:53<dcraig>noooooooooooooooooooo
00:53<Peng>Terabyte: In answer to your question of "how long does it take", the answer is "however long the TTL was set to".
00:53<Terabyte>default peng
00:53<Peng>1 day
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00:53<Terabyte>this beautiful dev environment will need to be setup tomorrow - again -...... "vagrant up"
00:54<Peng>Terabyte: Or possibly less (if a cache deletes it early to free space) or possibly longer (if your cache is run by a terrible monster who ignores TTLs).
00:54<Terabyte>alright
00:54<Terabyte>thanks for the info guys
00:54<@mdc>The default default is 1 day, but default can be changed.
00:55<SDr>hoookay, base system: UP, and php ./segfault.php actually does not segfaults
00:55<Peng>Of course, changing the default *now* does not affect old cached data!
00:55<Peng>For that you need a time machine.
00:55<SDr>neither does any of the 3 other images, yay \o/
00:55<SDr>synapt, could you link me the one, which *did* segfaulted on your system?
00:57<James_T>i need to restart my routers caching resolver then clear my cache
00:57<James_T>then slap firefox hard in the face to clear ITS cache
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01:25<SDr>ohkay, mere 2.5 hours
01:26<SDr>though my checklists have some to be desired -specifically, they were written for 10.04, instead of 12
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01:56<linbot>New news from forum: What anti spam is used on this forum? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10624&p=61440#p61440>
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02:14<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61441#p61441>
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02:23<synapt>SDr: It was the bad_exif one listed in the bug
02:23<synapt>I added a comment as well about it
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02:30<linbot>New news from forum: Nginx + php-fpm woes in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10620&p=61442#p61442>
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03:29<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61443#p61443>
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03:34<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61444#p61444>
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03:39<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61445#p61445>
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04:12<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61446#p61446>
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04:40<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61447#p61447>
04:40<dcraig>I think I overexplained things
04:40<@mikegrb>lulz
04:40<James_T>lol
04:40<James_T>you did
04:41<James_T>i blame you
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04:43<pharaun>dcraig: not enough explaining, i demand more
04:43<dcraig>ok so basically
04:44<dcraig>there are these nameservers
04:44<James_T>you sucked ...
04:44<James_T>and did this...
04:44<James_T>and now you have kids?
04:44<James_T>:o
04:44<pharaun>dcraig: and these nameservers loved eachothers very much....
04:44<dcraig>adam and laura?
04:44<James_T>^
04:44<dcraig>or linda, rather
04:45<James_T>linda and laura
04:45<dcraig>see, Adam represented Alfahosting.be, and Linda represented Linode
04:45<dcraig>see how the letters match?
04:45<dcraig>DO YOU SEE?
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04:45<pharaun>:p
04:45<James_T>nope
04:46<tokyopancake>what the buck is going on in here
04:46<James_T>so alfahosting and linode loved each other very much, and now have kids?
04:46<dcraig>yes
04:46<dcraig>but the children were delivered by a stork
04:47<pharaun>which would would calfbe be the kid?
04:47<James_T>o
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04:47<pharaun>dcraig: was this an ipv6 enabled stroke by any chance?
04:47<James_T>*stork
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04:47<dcraig>don't stroke the stork
04:47<James_T>pharaun: indeed
04:48<pharaun>dcraig: mybad
04:48<dcraig>hopefully this DNS problem............ has been resolved
04:49<pharaun>dcraig: aka the stork delivered the kid
04:49<@mikegrb>lulz
04:49<pharaun>oh lol the digital ocean thread is still going
04:53<James_T>pharaun: o.O
04:53<James_T>pharaun: i wonder if they realise where NY1 is >.>
04:53<pharaun>i don't really read the forum so i was clicking around to see what was new
04:53<pharaun>and saw there was still that DO thread
04:54<James_T>pharaun: well, they started out in "NY1" the CEO's own company
04:54<James_T>but that's fine
04:54*James_T goes off to play batman
04:54<pharaun>James_T: batkid
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04:55<James_T>jesus: jesus your connection is unstable
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04:56<pharaun>James_T: that was funnier than it should have been
04:59<James_T>jesus pharaun, it's jesus
04:59<James_T>catwoman > batman
05:00<pharaun>heh
05:00<James_T>cooler moves
05:01<pharaun>heh
05:01<James_T>heh
05:01<James_T>^backwards, in case you didn't notice
05:02<pharaun>the movie catwoman was alright
05:02<pharaun>*shrugs*
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06:04<io_>hi in phpmyadmin what s the equivalent of doing ENCRYPT('firstpassword', CONCAT('$6$', SUBSTRING(SHA(RAND()), -16)) in mysql when entering a string? ENCYPT does not seem to do it
06:05<dwfreed>io_: that's sha512crypt with a 16 character salt
06:05<dwfreed>you can use mkpasswd on the command line to generate the same thing
06:06<dwfreed>mkpasswd -m sha-512
06:06<dwfreed>that'll spew out a string starting with $6$; you can use that instead of the whole ENCRYPT function usage
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06:15<io_>mkpasswd -m sha-512 mypass ?
06:18<dwfreed>don't put your password on the command line
06:18<dwfreed>if you use the exact command I gave, it'll prompt you for your password
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07:39<Terabyte>hey
07:39<Terabyte>is there a guide for setting up lighttpd on linode with play framework?
07:39<rmyers>Terabyte: there is not
07:39<Terabyte>I've got my play framework standalone program running on port 9000, and lighttpd running on 80, but it's not forwarding
07:39<Terabyte>:<
07:40<rmyers>here are the lighttpd guides, which would be as close as the library gets: https://library.linode.com/web-servers/lighttpd
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07:41<Terabyte>hmm lets see if there's a round robin forwarding one
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07:41<Spooky77>Hi there - any support type people around - new user with an account problem
07:42<rmyers>Spooky77: you'll probably want to open a ticket for account specific issues.
07:42<Spooky77>Account has been in — pending activation — for the last hour - payment already taken
07:43<rmyers>Spooky77: open a ticket, please - support@linode.com
07:43<Spooky77>Will do - thx rmyers
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08:00<@qmr>just cleared pending signups. sorry for the delay.
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08:03<Spooky77>Mines just come in - :)
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08:05<@qmr>great!
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08:08<dowlf>qmr: hopefully things calm down for you all, seems to have be hectic lately
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08:28<Spooky77>Does ilsh use the SSH server? About to remove root permissions from /etc/ssh/sshd_config
08:28<Spooky77>^lish
08:29<Spooky77>root user I meant
08:29<@qmr>LISH connects you to your Linode's virtual console.
08:30<Spooky77>Cool
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09:17<io_>has anybody managed to get dovecot up and running on debian 7? It seems like thunderbird is having problem with either SSL or the password encryption
09:19<io_>dovecot 2
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10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t> YOU MAY BE WATCHED
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t> YOU MAYWATCHED
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>YOU MAY BE WATCHED
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t> YOU MAY BE WATCHED
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t> )
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>Do usa&Israel use chat &facebook 2 spy?!?!?!?
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>Do they record &analyse everything we type?!?!?!?
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>Do usa&israel use chat&social communication prog(facebook&twitter) to collect informations,,,,can we call that spying!!!!
10:07<kaeuivath98t7y4t>هل تستخدم امريكاواسرئيل الشات والفيس بوك للتجسس!؟!؟!؟!؟!؟!؟!
10:08<kaeuivath98t7y4t> Egyptian moslem
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10:09*bandwith is being watched.. and I don't care
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10:35<@qmr>whois kaeuivath98t7y4t
10:35<@qmr>er
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10:46<linbot>New news from forum: Need Help For High Availability, IPfailover, Heartbe - Xpost in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10625&p=61448#p61448>
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10:48<staticsafe>ohai
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11:11<HoopyCat>I would like to cancel my account because of the incredible disrespect and revisionist history propagated by the name "Linode." The company should be immediately renamed "GNU/Linode."
11:13*HoopyCat waits to be transferred to a retentions agent so he can get a 10% discount when he prepays 12 months
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11:39<kokey>HoopyCat: you've seen the Stallman posts on the 4chan thing about HN?
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11:48<jchen>that thread is lulz
11:48<jchen>HoopyCat: thanks for contacting Linode support. your account has been terminated
11:50<Orqoo[Paul]>kokey, link?
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12:31<katsh>guys. i think i made a mistake
12:32<katsh>a long time ago, and don't really remember how to undo it
12:32<katsh>basically i can't ssh into my linode
12:33<bandwith>Login to you're account and use LISH to open the virtual console
12:33<bandwith>s/you're/your
12:34<@qmr>s/login/log in
12:35*bandwith thanks qmr for the grammar assistance
12:35<katsh>i think it's some ssh settings i changed. if i try to login with `ssh root@ip` and get a permission denied(publickey) error
12:35<katsh>does it simply mean i dont have the private key/
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12:36<@qmr>right
12:36<katsh>so if i generate a private key in my local, how will i scp it into the remote if i cant ssh into it
12:37<@caker>log in via the lish console and fix it there. #2
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12:40*bandwith mentions something about linode.com/managed/
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12:46<katsh>thanks
12:46<katsh>the struggle was real on that one
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12:51<iBotPeaches>running the apache and mysql longview add-ons now, looking sexy. kudos to all involved
12:51<@caker>awesome! :)
12:51<bandwith>Was the base number of Longview agents increased for the free account?
12:52<@caker>bandwith: no, but we will probably uncork it soon
12:52<Terabyte>hey
12:52<@caker>the data retention for the free version was increased to 12 hours, though
12:52<Terabyte>I just trashed a server with an upstart script, any ideas how to recover? the lish does nothing/.
12:52<bandwith>caker: I could have sworn that there was a lower client limit earlier on...
12:52<@caker>Terabyte: rescue mode to the ... rescue?
12:53<@caker>bandwith: hmm .. maybe during the beta? I can't recall
12:53<Terabyte>lets 'av a gander
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12:54<Terabyte>so go to rescue mode and then open lish right?
12:55<Terabyte>it just keeps crashing chrome...
12:55<@caker>you can also access Lish via ssh too. Usually that's more productive (plus I think Chrome broke webconsole on their latest release)
12:56*bandwith votes for longview-for-postgres
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13:00<mstarks01>Can a staff member please look into my account? My linode is down. PM me, please.
13:00<@qmr>hi!
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13:00<mstarks01>hello
13:01-!-sracer11 [~sracer13@ip-173-45-222-229.wavevision.com] has joined #linode
13:01<mstarks01>I sent a message to support@linode.com
13:01<@caker>mstarks01: can't really give support unauthenticated over IRC - but ... if I'm right, perhaps you should check your console - something may be waiting for you to enter a passphrase :)
13:02<mstarks01>caker, my IP changed. Does that affect Lish?
13:02<@caker>no
13:02<mstarks01>I can't login to the web console
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13:03<mstarks01>OK, what's the address for the lish console?
13:03<@caker>https://library.linode.com/using-lish-the-linode-shell#sph_connecting-to-lish
13:03<@qmr>ssh mstark01@lish-london.linode.com ?
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13:03<mstarks01>I think I am in Dallas, or at least I was before the Xen move
13:04<mstarks01>ahh, I can use any gateway
13:04<mstarks01>that's good
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13:09<mstarks01>caker: I was able to authenticate to Lish, but after connecting to my Linode it doesn't seem to be accepting any console input
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13:13<newbie78>hey guys quick question the node balancers they would be good in a high availability setup correct
13:15<wyomingplease>is it morally correct to use my Linode for Bitcoin mining? I don't want to take all other people's CPU time and I just want to hear the official Linode stance on this, since I'd like to try that out, but I'm concerned that it might end up in service termination...
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13:15<mstarks01>hey, it's the second coming of jesus!
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13:17<hawk>wyomingplease: I don't know about "morally correct" but I believe it would violate the ToS.
13:18<@qmr>mstarks01: You can detach from your console, then try help, jobs, logview, reboot .. your console is in a screen session, so ^A^D
13:18<wyomingplease>hawk: I think that, too, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask here, just to be sure and all
13:19<mstarks01>qmr: thanks, I am trying a reboot now
13:19<@qmr>wyomingplease: It is a *huge* waste of time. Look at difficulty, and look at what you will mine CPU mining on a Xeon. Not only that, it is not exactly being a good neighbor. If it affects other people on the host we will ask you to stop.
13:19<hawk>wyomingplease: I would interpret that to be "Misuse of System Resources: Intentional misuse of system resources, including but not limited to employing programs that consume excessive network capacity, CPU cycles, or disk IO."
13:19<mstarks01>was there an event recently from linode that would have caused the initial reboot?
13:19<@qmr>mstarks01: Possibly a planned or unplanned maintenance event.
13:20<wyomingplease>qmr: thanks for clearing that up. Since I actually am a good neighbor, I asked here for clarification before I did anything, everythink OK now
13:20<mstarks01>well this isn't good... nothing happens when I type in my LUKS passphrase
13:21<@qmr>mstarks01: 'configs' to see your configs, then reboot N to reboot into Finnix. (probably reboot 2 ? )
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13:24<mstarks01>success! it's booting now
13:24<mstarks01>thanks, qmr. Hopefully there was no corruption
13:24<mstarks01>looks like I was just a bit impatient
13:24<io_>is trasfering file with sftp for any reason slower than an http request?
13:24<@qmr>io_: Yes.
13:24<@qmr>mstarks01: :)!
13:25<mstarks01>that is a really sinking feeling, even when you have backups :)
13:27<@qmr>Indeed.
13:29<mstarks01>looks like they had a hardware failure, which is why it went down
13:29<mstarks01>it happens
13:29<mstarks01>still love me some linode
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13:30<@qmr>You just need a NodeBalancer and a few ( dozen ) more Linodes
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13:45<io_>qmr: I made the file avaialable with http, and now I get a little more speed but not too much, 50 KB/s is there such a limit?
13:45<@qmr>Sounds like the pipes are full
13:46<io_>let s smoke them
13:47<io_>what does that mean? anything I can do on my side?
13:48<@qmr>What is your internet connection rated at, and do you actually get what your ISP says you should? Try mtr to and from your Linode?
13:48<@qmr>Linode outbound connections are 250Mbit/s and 30,000 pps. You probably are not near either of those limits on our end.
13:49<io_>qmr we v got a dozen MB/s on fiber
13:49<@qmr>io_: Where are you, where is your Linode? Probably a good bit of internet inbetween. Again, mtr would expose glaring connection issues.
13:50<io_>i am in the Canary Islands, London linode
13:50<@qmr>close-ish as the crow flies. pastebin a pair of mtr reports?
13:54<io_>20 cycles is enough?#
13:54<@qmr>sure
13:54<io_>http://pastebin.com/Ebswii1B
13:54<@qmr>-r or --report prints a report on STDOUT
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13:55<io_>http://pastebin.com/u3PkDJMJ
13:56<@qmr>we need the return report as well
13:57<io_>you mean from the linode?
13:57<@qmr>yep
13:57<io_>how do i do that if i have no server at home? just with my router ip?
13:58<@qmr>right, to your public IP
13:58<io_>http://pastebin.com/qZVrNmmX
14:00<io_>http://pastebin.com/E2daSFR6
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14:07<jchen>io_: can you use -rwn when you make the mtr report?
14:08<jchen>or really, -rw
14:09<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61449#p61449>
14:10<retro|blah>or -b, if your version of mtr supports it >:O
14:10<@qmr>maybe -i 2 -c 30 too
14:11<retro|blah>ha
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14:11<io_>with -rw http://pastebin.com/GNPdpV0Y
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14:12<jchen>wat the hell does -b do
14:13<retro|blah>"Use this option to tell mtr to display both the host names and numeric IP numbers."
14:13<retro|blah>It seems to be a relatively new option
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14:14<jchen>retro|blah: just a rename of --show-ips
14:15<jchen>https://github.com/traviscross/mtr/commit/14bc40b84476e0e3f9530a5cf1ab057d82701f7a
14:15<jchen>not a new feature
14:15<retro|blah>aha
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14:18<io_>qmr: are you looking into this or should i file a ticket?
14:18<io_>or both?
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14:23<@qmr>io_: can you give us updated reports with those flags?
14:24<io_>-i 2 -c 30 ?
14:24<io_>the last report was with -rw
14:25<linbot>New news from forum: Questions about sending many (>100,000) emails in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10610&p=61451#p61451> || Php5 fpm sessions /tmp in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10621&p=61450#p61450>
14:25<@qmr>-rwi 2 -c 30
14:25<io_>ok i am doing a -r -i 2 -c 30
14:25<io_>ok
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14:27<@qmr>also, use pastie or privatepaste or anything but pastebin :)
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14:30<linbot>New news from forum: Unable to load php solr pecl extension in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10626&p=61452#p61452>
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14:32<io_>qmr mtr in linode seems to be stuck
14:34<@qmr>nah
14:34<@qmr>going to take a little over a minute to run
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14:35<io_>PMed
14:35<linbot>New news from forum: Unable to load php solr pecl extension in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10626&p=61454#p61454> || DNSSEC is wonderful in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10627&p=61453#p61453>
14:35<io_>but linode side s still on wait
14:36<@qmr>If you PM me the report I become a bottleneck. I suggest posting it in the channel so anyone can chime and or learn.
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14:38<io_>http://privatepaste.com/997745b38d/qmrsupport
14:39<io_>this is home to linode
14:39<io_>i cannot even terminate mtr in linode
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14:42<io_>http://privatepaste.com/6a97f3e8ff/support
14:42<io_>linode > home
14:45<linbot>New news from forum: Rate limiting with iptables in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10579&p=61455#p61455>
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14:46<@qmr>hmm, loss and increased latency in Cogent's network. First time I have seen that.
14:46<HoopyCat>io_: hmm, lot of variance in round-trip time between home and your first network hop (192.168.2.1)
14:47<HoopyCat>io_: it looks like a congested WAN link with too much buffering
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14:51<io_>HoopyCat: i am pretty sure i got similar result somewhere else
14:53<HoopyCat>io_: what is 192.168.2.1? (is it your own router, is it the other end of a commercial wireless internet connection, ...?)
14:54<io_>my own router
14:56<HoopyCat>io_: is its CPU getting killed handling "normal" packets? e.g. if it's a cisco router, did CEF get turned off somehow?
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14:58<HoopyCat>io_: generating responses to mtr 'probes' is a slow-path thing on most routers and will cause latency spikes on a single hop, but if everything after a router is seeing the spikes too...
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14:59<io_>it s a linksys wrt54
14:59<HoopyCat>io_: (do those even *have* a fast path?)
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15:00<HoopyCat>io_: actually, are you connected to that via ethernet or via wifi?
15:00<io_>wifi
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15:02<jchen>ugh
15:02<HoopyCat>io_: can you reproduce the high variance on the mtr with a hardwired connection? (e.g. take the wifi out of the equation). also might be worth reproducing the original problem, whatever that is
15:04<@mikegrb>lulz
15:04<kyhwana>lol wifis
15:05<HoopyCat>TCP hates two things: high RTT variance and packet loss
15:05<io_>HoopyCat: in a while
15:05<HoopyCat>so, of course i end up with a day job developing tactical IP MANET waveforms...
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15:08<io_>HoopyCat: i am getting pretty much the same speed with cable
15:08<HoopyCat>io_: in fairness, this might not address your original problem... i just glanced at this window and saw MTRs and was like "hey! things could be better than they are!" :-) i'm guessing bursty/low throughput on TCP sessions even though UDP is generally not too bad
15:08<HoopyCat>io_: how does mtr look with wifi out of the loop?
15:09<io_>HoopyCat: the original problem is that I get 40KB/s on dowload
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15:10<HoopyCat>io_: so that's 320 kb/s... how big is the file you're testing (or, how long does it take to download it?)
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15:11<io_>130MB not sure, been there more than 2 hours probably
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15:11<HoopyCat>jesus mother of mary... yeah, probably steady state
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15:12<HoopyCat>sorry, forgot jesus was here
15:14<Demannu>You called?
15:14<HoopyCat>io_: so how fast should your internet connection be, and what technology is it? (cable modem, DSL, wimax, ...)
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15:15<io_>HoopyCat: fiber not sure how many MBs but plenty
15:15<HoopyCat>as an aside, i just pulled 1.69 Mb/s down and 0.55 Mb/s up on my cellphone, which is a personal speed record for sprint eHRPD
15:16<io_>http://privatepaste.com/a2120fa00a/support home->linode cable
15:17<HoopyCat>io_: the variance (std dev) is much nicer on that, at least
15:18<HoopyCat>io_: how long did you let the download run on the ethernet test, and where did the throughput end up at?
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15:18<io_>a few minutes, average 30KB/s peak 40
15:19<HoopyCat>so around 240 kb/s again
15:20<HoopyCat>well, the wifi probably isn't helping, but it's probably not the major contributor to the problem
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15:22<HoopyCat>io_: i'm going to try mtrs from here, to look at the paths from another angle. thanks for including real IPs. :-)
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15:28<HoopyCat>io_: http://privatepaste.com/fb2af1320d ... nothing sticks out from here. (source IP 72.225.17.98)
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15:28<HoopyCat>networks, pah
15:29<linbot>New news from forum: DNS settings in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10623&p=61456#p61456>
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16:42<linbot>New news from forum: What anti spam is used on this forum? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10624&p=61457#p61457>
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16:44<dcraig>speaking of the no/spam thing required to log in to the forum or use the pastebin...
16:45<dcraig>ios doesn't seem to display the "type no/spam to continue" message on the user/pass popup
16:45<jed>yeah, realm is hidden by many clients
16:46<dcraig>so some users really won't know what to type even if they do read
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16:48<@qmr>do they have a bugzilla? :P
16:48<jed>it's called radar: https://bugreport.apple.com/
16:49<dcraig>doesn't seem like a bug; nobody reads those messages anyway
16:49<dcraig>sounds like it was a decision they made to simplify the interface
16:50<jed>not a lot of screen real estate on mobile
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17:00<Terabyte>anyone familiar with lighttpd? I installed it using apt-get install lighttpd, but for some reason it doesn't respond to beign told to start/stop/reload etc... via services
17:01<Terabyte>for example /etc/init.d/lighttpd force-reload * Reloading web server configuration lighttpd [fail]
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17:01<@akerl>What do your logs say?
17:01<Terabyte>same as the fox
17:01<kyhwana>what d.. damnit
17:01<@akerl>It appears to be responding, and letting you know there is an issue
17:01<Terabyte>well it's running according to ps -aux, but services lighttpd status says it's not
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17:02<kyhwana>Terabyte: the logs should tell you why
17:02<@akerl>I'm pretty sure you don't want a hyphen in that command, as a random note
17:02<linbot>New news from forum: Php5 fpm sessions /tmp in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10621&p=61458#p61458>
17:03<Terabyte>http://codepad.org/UBWjIGGZ
17:03<Terabyte>logs
17:03<staticsafe>akerl: ps can take multiple option styles
17:03<@akerl>staticsafe: I am aware
17:03<@akerl>staticsafe: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15102576/ps-aux-works-but-ps-aux-doesnt
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17:04<@akerl>Terabyte: That's the full content of the logs?
17:04<Terabyte>root@pyro:/var/log/lighttpd# less error.log
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17:04<Terabyte>yes those logs, are there others?
17:05<@akerl>Try killing the running lighttpd and starting it again via service?
17:05<Terabyte>yes that works,
17:05<Terabyte>kill -9 followed by normal service start works, but that's not normal...
17:06<@akerl>And what happens if you try to restart it now?
17:06<Terabyte>without killing it first?
17:06<staticsafe>kill it, start it, restart it
17:06<@akerl>? Yes
17:07<Terabyte>http://codepad.org/vof5f4Ew
17:07<@akerl>What is listening on port 80?
17:07<Terabyte>that lighttpd process that won't die.
17:08<Terabyte>tcp 0 0 *:http *:* LISTEN 16237/lighttpd
17:08<@akerl>What are they up to?
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17:09<Terabyte>i have no idea, they shouldn't be up to anything, they're the service I just installed that refuses to die. Anyone would think it's halloween.
17:09<@akerl>strace is pretty cool
17:09<Terabyte>this server is haunted
17:09<Terabyte>oh ok let me check
17:09<Terabyte>http://codepad.org/B5gxNir6
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17:15<Terabyte>strace ^
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17:32<linbot>New news from forum: Php5 fpm sessions /tmp in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10621&p=61460#p61460>
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17:39<Terabyte>meh whatever, i'm going to just kill -9 this thing since that seems to be the only way to fix it.
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18:16<@qmr>io_: I have left the building. Feel free to open a ticket with those mtrs and we can take a closer look. I know HoopyCat was helping you interpret them, did you come to any conclusion?
18:17<HoopyCat>qmr: packets are afraid of the dark
18:17<linbot>New news from forum: DNSSEC is wonderful in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10627&p=61461#p61461>
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18:25<@qmr>HoopyCat: did you lose any of them?
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18:39<io_>hi I ve sent in a ticket
18:39<io_>i get 2000KB/s on the linode speed test
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18:40<@qmr>any exotic firewall rules?
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18:45<linbot>New news from forum: DNSSEC is wonderful in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10627&p=61462#p61462>
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18:48<voyska>following this guide http://feross.org/how-to-setup-your-linode/ can i get a quick insight?
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18:50<voyska>wondering if it is implying that I install Python, Nginx Apache, PHP5 etc.
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18:50<@akerl>It's not implying it; it's explicitly telling you how to do it
18:51<io_>qmr: iptables removed altogheter
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18:52<io_>this is an Apache2 server with php5-fpm
18:52<voyska>great.
18:52<@akerl>io_: You're just curling the speedtest file?
18:54<@jchen>which speedtest file did you use?
18:54<@jchen>cuz if you tried fremont or tokyo, then that's one thing
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18:59<io_>https://www.linode.com/speedtest/
18:59<io_>i tried london
18:59<io_>as it is where my linode is
18:59<io_>akerl: just downloading it
19:00<io_>what can possibly make the speed of my linode down to 40KB/s
19:00<@jchen>io_: can you give the exact output of `curl -o /dev/null 'http://speedtest.london.linode.com/100MB-london.bin'`?
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19:03<io_>jchen: is it normal taking a little while?
19:03<io_>i just see and >
19:05<io_>ah hold on you want me to curl from home/local right?
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19:07<io_>http://privatepaste.com/47c55dd36f/support
19:08<io_>2000KB/s
19:08<io_>jchen: ^^
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19:18<HoopyCat>io_: what's a test URL i can use for testing throughput from your server to here?
19:19<io_>HoopyCat: we ve just tested from the US and it s 150KB/s
19:19<HoopyCat>io_: this is a file being read straight off of the disk by your web server, with no PHP or anything like that involved, right?
19:19<io_>right
19:21<HoopyCat>i'd still be curious to hit it a few times from here, with tcpdump
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19:22<io_>http://files.ionetdesign.com/100MB-london.bin
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19:23<dcraig>I get 29.3 MB/s when I download that file from a london linode
19:24<HoopyCat>it's saturating my home connection (~10 Mb/s)
19:24<dcraig>I thought outbound was capped at 50 Mbps...
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19:24<HoopyCat>dcraig: 250 Mb/s on nextgen
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19:24<dcraig>oh wow
19:25<dcraig>well, I got 234.4 Mbps, which is almost at the cap then :D
19:25<HoopyCat>100 MB in 1m30s
19:26<dcraig>from a fremont linode I get 1.65 MB/s or 13.2 Mbps
19:26<dcraig>slooooooooooooow
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19:27<io_>is there anything in apache or anywhere else that may slow my connection?
19:27<@akerl>io_: That's unlikely, since it's not slowing anybody else's connection
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19:28<io_>ok let me try to connect wit hmobile phone the
19:35<io_>peaking at 160KB/s
19:35<io_>so my router is f++++d up
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19:38<io_>but then why i haven t got the same problem with the linode speedtest ?
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19:51<io_>so i tried to download from another linode in London and I got 7MB/s
19:51<io_>so it is definetely the other linode
19:52<Terabyte>hey
19:52<Terabyte>would somebody be able to look at my linode and figure out why it's not starting up?
19:52<Terabyte>it boots, but i'm not able to ssh into it, like there's something blocking the ssh server from starting up..
19:53<io_>Terabyte: can you use lish?
19:53<@caker>io_: routing is asyncronous and changes depending on IP. It sounds to me like it is the Internet - since others can download quickly from that Linode - right?
19:53<Terabyte>io_ I can lish, this is the output hasn't moved for a while http://codepad.org/aWBM9nBj
19:54<io_>caker: i should try somebody else on my own location maybe
19:54<dwfreed>Terabyte: toggle the setting of automount devtmpfs in your config profile, and reboot
19:54<Terabyte>oo, er.. how do I do that?
19:55<dwfreed>edit your config profile in the linode manager
19:55<Terabyte>ok i'll set that to no
19:55<dwfreed>if the setting is off, turn it on; if it's on, turn it off; then hit save and reboot
19:55<HoopyCat>simply rotate the frobulation lockout aperture to the 3/pi setting, which will allow access to the trummel quadrature trimpot
19:55<Terabyte>rebooting
19:56<Terabyte>HoopyCat what half baked drivel :P
19:56<HoopyCat>Terabyte: yeah, i shoulda fully baked it
19:56<Terabyte>:)
19:56<Terabyte>oo
19:56<Terabyte>it seems to be running now...
19:56<Terabyte>what was that all about then?
19:57<dwfreed>ubuntu stupidity
19:57<Terabyte>should it be permenently off?
19:57<Terabyte>what feature have I turned off rather
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19:59<dwfreed>making the kernel mount /dev automatically; ubuntu wants to do it itself, and will hang if it's already mounted
19:59<Terabyte>oh
19:59<Terabyte>any reason why it didn't hang the first time i booted the machine?
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20:00<Terabyte>ubuntu likes to feel special sometimes
20:00<@Perihelion>Give it some flowers and tell it you love it once in a while
20:00<dwfreed>config changes somewhere
20:00<dwfreed>the running theory is /etc/fstab
20:01<Terabyte>thinking of picking another distro. high maintainence vegan non-wheat soya-milk only fussy eating distros taking more time to provision that the development of the software that was supposed to run on it.
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20:01<dwfreed>hehe
20:01<@akerl>I hear Arch is nice
20:01<Terabyte>i heard centos was nice too
20:01<staticsafe>I heard Debian is
20:01<staticsafe>!debian
20:01<linbot>Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/
20:02<dwfreed>somebody lied to you
20:02<Terabyte>i'd like something with a package manager. preferably one that is relatively up to date...
20:02<staticsafe>also Gentoo!
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20:02<dwfreed>^
20:02<Terabyte>yeah i'm trying to make a website, not invent the universe :)
20:02<@jchen>!debian
20:02<linbot>Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/
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20:02<staticsafe>^
20:02<@jchen>i heard freebsd is nice
20:02<staticsafe>you can't go wrong with Debian
20:03<io_>so it seems everybody else in this island is seeing the same speed from my linode
20:03<@akerl>Which island?
20:04<@caker>Slow Internet Island
20:04<dcraig>is it possible that it is slow on ipv6 and fast on ipv4 or something?
20:04<@caker>what kind of M&Ms does Tattoo like on Fantasy Island?
20:04<@jchen>that's pretty cool, i wish i lived on a small island (that has ballin internet ofc)
20:04<@jchen>that will be like club linode
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20:05<@caker>zee plain zee plain!
20:05<io_>akerl i live in an island in the atlantic
20:05<@caker>akerl: that should narrow it down.
20:06*akerl turns his globe as appropriate
20:06<io_>akerl: Tenerife, off the Morocco Coast
20:06<@akerl>io_: My general point here is that the issue is very likely routing-related
20:07<io_>if you pass your fingertip over the island in the globe you re shurely feel the volcano
20:07<@jchen>io_: that sounds ballin
20:07<@jchen>io_: hook me up
20:08<io_>jchen: what? (my girlffriend is jealous)
20:09<@jchen>man i wish i lived on a small island with volcanoes on it
20:09<io_>jchen: yeah but then you get 40KB/s
20:10<HoopyCat>at a large enough scale, new jersey is a small part of a small island with small volcanoes
20:10<io_>HoopyCat: that is definetely being positive
20:11<io_>still I prefer our 20C year long to the jersey shore
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20:12<io_>so i got a new IP from the support, rebooting
20:14<@caker>imagine whirled ips
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20:15<io_>in the panel i see "1 more", but how do I get the new IP ?
20:16<io_>and now i can ssh in my linode with the former IP
20:17<@caker>dhcp can only assign one IP. who knows which one. If you want it to be predictable, you need to use static networking
20:18<@jchen>after new ip, did you reboot from the linode manager
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20:18<io_>jchen: yes, i got the IP now they given it to me in the support message, sorry
20:18<@jchen>oh and yes you want to use static networking configuration, not dhcp
20:18<io_>so now /etc/network/interfaces
20:19<@jchen>io_: https://library.linode.com/networking/configuring-static-ip-interfaces#sph_debian-ubuntu
20:20<io_>http://codepad.org/3V2OcAh5
20:21<HoopyCat>Miles Davis / All Blues -> Freezepop / Hypothetically -> Bee Gees / How Deep Is Your Love
20:21<io_>this is what i ve got on that file
20:21<HoopyCat>ok, PRNG is working a little better now
20:21<io_>what is my gateway?
20:22<HoopyCat>io_: .1
20:22<@jchen>io_: all that jawn is in the remote access tab of teh Linode Manager
20:25<io_>ok , should DNS be fixed as weel?
20:25<io_>or will they resolve to my server anyway?
20:26<@jchen>getting a new ip does nothing to change dns
20:26<io_>and, should I remove dhcp?
20:26<io_>jchen: in my dns configuration all domains are pointing to the old IP
20:26<@jchen>io_: you'll want to test to see if a new ip actually does anything before you do any dns changes
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20:28<io_>jchen: i can poing both gateway
20:29<io_>poing!
20:29<@akerl>io_: What is the goal of the second IP here?
20:30<io_>akerl: I think seeing if it s filtered along
20:30<io_>akerl: I ve got another linode and it moves files just fine
20:30<@akerl>What makes you think that filtering is playing a role here? From above, it seems like the issue is routing differences
20:31<io_>akerl: i got that from support
20:31<io_>i mean filtering outside the linode, the local ISP
20:34<io_>ok i am getting full speed with the new IP
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21:23<HoopyCat>it's debian appreciation day at the NWS, that's for sure. they are urging persons across the area to stay away from windows.
21:23<@mikegrb>lulz
21:23<Ikaros>lol
21:23<Ikaros>They always do that
21:23<Ikaros>*always*
21:24<Ikaros>Speaking of Debian
21:24<Ikaros>My dad recently gave me his old P4 computer. I deleted Windows. Debian is now installing.
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21:28<HoopyCat>Ikaros: safe choice
21:28<Ikaros>And yeah, it's IDE. >.>
21:29<Ikaros>But it sure doesn't behave like a typical IDE drive...
21:29<Ikaros>I mean this install is just rocketing through
21:32<dcraig>should keep you warm this winter
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21:35<io_>iwas thinking the same
21:35<io_>so new IP and max speed
21:35<io_>all good
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21:52<HoopyCat>"Rear main seal, oil pan, transmission pan and power steering were leaking so I summarized." http://i.imgur.com/c2YcWDf.jpg
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21:55<@mikegrb>lulz
21:55<pharaun>lol
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22:17<Ikaros>And we are all good.
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23:13<James_T>HoopyCat: Are you near a window?
23:14<danblack>asking people to jump out of windows is a bit rude
23:15<James_T>danblack: No, I was suggesting he get away from it
23:15<James_T>lest a windows pc comes flying through it
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.34554599, 0.63567878) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435484 of 554198 (π ≈ 3.143165439066904 - 0.001572785477111). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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