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---Logopened Sat Nov 23 00:00:22 2013
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01:59<noobster>guys i wanted to install wordpress on my server. I already have mediawiki set up and running on apache with mysql database. Does running the wordpress stackscript affect any existing system?
02:00<James_T>you won't be able to run the stackscript on an existing system
02:00<James_T>you'll want to do it manually :)
02:00<noobster>aha, thats what I was worried about
02:00<noobster>ok, good that I checked with you guys then
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02:21<dcraig>to linodia and beyond!
02:21*James_T kills all dcraig's linodes
02:22<James_T>they are in a better place now
02:22<tachang>is something going on?
02:22<James_T>dcraig's linodes died
02:22<dcraig>party at james' place
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02:25<tachang>did routing go down in DFW?
02:25<knadyy>damn this girl has such a fine Yum yum.
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02:36<MJCS>anything going on in the Dallas data center?
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02:37<blindsight>did the dallas center die?
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02:39<dcraig>it's working fine for me...
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02:39<dcraig>luck of the draw!
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02:42<Peng>!mtr-atlanta -4b
02:42<linbot>Peng: [mtr-atlanta] 10.|-- 0.0% 3 30.9 28.3 27.0 30.9 2.2 -- 11.|-- 0.0% 3 20.5 20.5 20.4 20.6 0.0 -- see for full mtr
02:42<linbot>Peng: [mtr-atlanta] 9.|-- ( 0.0% 3 20.4 20.4 20.4 20.4 0.0 -- 10.|-- ( 0.0% 3 21.4 21.4 21.4 21.4 0.0 -- see for full mtr
02:42<Peng>Seems to be okay?
02:42<MJCS>stabalized now
02:42<MJCS>it was crazy earlier
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02:47<gdoteof>i think my linode account got owned
02:47<gdoteof>can someone help
02:47<dcraig>oh no!
02:47<gdoteof>either that or the password recovery is broken
02:47<gdoteof>my password isn't working
02:48<gdoteof>very strong pw
02:48<gdoteof>so idk
02:48<dcraig>I'd email or call them...
02:48<gdoteof>i am trying to recover email
02:48<gdoteof>hoping there is an admin in here
02:48<gdoteof>i will try calling
02:48<gdoteof>email is always slow
02:48<dcraig>really? I've never emailed linode
02:49<dcraig>they generally respond to regular support tickets before people are done writing them
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02:49<rsdehart>like Bugs Bunny going to the mailbox
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02:55<James_T>I appear to be doing only ~1TB/mo
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02:57<James_T>TIL BGP sucks
02:58<@jchen>brew install swig
02:58*dcraig gets right on that
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02:59*James_T gives jchen the brew
02:59<James_T>it's a bit... swiggy
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03:07<dcraig>wow you can sort in the DNS manager by clicking on column headings
03:07<dcraig>what other secret features are ther?!
03:07<James_T>you did not know this?
03:07<dcraig>no, otherwise I would not have said
03:07<Peng>I think it's somewhat new.
03:07<James_T>dcraig: it works on -everything- (almost...)
03:07<dcraig>wow you can sort in the DNS manager by clicking on column headings
03:08<James_T>Peng: new as in 6 months +?
03:08<Peng>6-12 maybe?
03:08<James_T>I seem to remember accidentally clicking on it once
03:08<dcraig>yeah, that's what happens
03:08<dcraig>I compulsively click on things
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03:09<dcraig>too many slaves, not enough masters
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03:10<pharaun>James_T: stop acquiring slaves
03:10<James_T>that list doesn't even include horseboners
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03:11<dcraig>my mouse has worn the finish off my cheap desk :(
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03:11<James_T>get a better desk/use a mousepad
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03:43<skreemer>anyone familiar with the linode network space? Specifically IP Address
03:44<@akerl>That's an IP, for sure
03:44<skreemer>and owned by linode...
03:44*akerl nods
03:45<skreemer>and has over 23K of these in my log:
03:45<skreemer> sshd[6628]: Failed password for invalid user dbdba from port 45407 ssh2
03:45<linbot>Linode's abuse contact is , as shown in the abuse contact info for the IP address in question. shows how to look this up yourself.
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04:26<MJCS>choo choo
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09:38<brian___>anyone else having issues logging into
09:38<brian___>accessing, rather
09:39<Neal>Whoops! Something went wrong :( Our development team has been alerted to this error. If you continue to have problems please contact support:
09:39<@wblew>Thanks Neal, we'll look into it right now!
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09:41<brian___>question about apache configuration... should you turn off KeepAlive?
09:42<@wblew>brian___: It depends, as a baseline I would turn it off and go with something like the example in this article (depending on your Linode)
09:43<brian___>wblew: yeah, i was just looking at this. ive had my linode for about 2yrs now and more recently the server is starting to hang for quite a while and then once it finally loads the page just appears, all the content loaded.
09:44<HoopyCat>your browser will probably have a developer-tools thing that'll show you what it's hanging on, in the form of a waterfall graph
09:45<brian___>HoopyCat: good point. i restarted apache and that seemed to speed it back up so i cant really test that now
09:45<HoopyCat>if you're using a facebook like button or something and They don't have enough MITM engines available in the surveillance pool, that can lag it out too
09:46<brian___>nothing like that... it's actually my rails apps that seem to hang the most
09:47<HoopyCat>brian___: do you have anything PHP at all?
09:47<brian___>no. just ruby/rails
09:47<brian___>i spoke with support about it and they said "you have a lot of web and MySQL connections open"
09:48<HoopyCat>brian___: you don't need to use mpm-prefork, then... 99% of apache tuning issues come from having to use mpm-prefork due to mod_php
09:48<brian___>oh wait you know what, i think there is a little php being used.
09:49<HoopyCat>brian___: that's like dropping a sandwich a little bit onto the floor
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09:50<HoopyCat>brian___: (could you use php-fpm instead of mod_php, so as to talk to PHP as you talk to rails? really, mpm-prefork is terrible.)
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09:52<brian___>HoopyCat: dumb question, but how do i know which one im using
09:53<HoopyCat>brian___: does the number of apache processes appearing in 'ps' track the number of simultaneous HTTP connections you have? if so, probably mpm-prefork. there's a more certain way, i'm sure
09:54*HoopyCat tries to find a web server
09:55<HoopyCat>apache2 -V, look for the "Server MPM" line
09:55<HoopyCat>rtucker@rickards-red:~$ apache2 -V
09:55<HoopyCat>Server MPM: Worker
09:57<brian___>thanks HoopyCat, does linode have any docs on how to set up php-fpm instead of prefork?
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09:59<HoopyCat>brian___: which distro/version are you running? i don't remember off the top of my head exactly which php version php-fpm was included in, but if your distro is running that or newer, it's as easy as pie(*)
09:59<HoopyCat>(*) making the crust and baking the pie from scratch, not eating the pie
10:00<brian___>haha 10.0.4 and 5.3.2. when i type php -v it says: PHP 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.21 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Sep 4 2013 19:17:47)
10:00<HoopyCat>(that is to say, entirely possible and commonly done, but it turns out the secret ingredient is vodka)
10:02<HoopyCat>brian___: ah, now i remember the Cursed Two Years. php 5.3.3 had php-fpm, but 5.3.3 didn't make it into 10.04 LTS
10:02<HoopyCat>(see also
10:03<brian___>gah. so can i just update my php?
10:05<HoopyCat>brian___: not without voiding the ubuntu LTS "warranty", if you will
10:05<brian___>hm, ok. so what do you recommend i do?
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10:06<HoopyCat>brian___: port the PHP stuff to rails. :-)
10:07<HoopyCat>brian___: or, if you don't mind being your own php security update handling-person, installing a newer PHP (either from PHP tarball, or by rebuilding the PHP .debs from ubuntu 12.04 or thereabouts) is possible too
10:07<brian___>: (
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10:16<HoopyCat>or, move the PHP stuff to another linode with ubuntu 12.04, which works swimmingly with php-fpm
10:17<brian___>maybe i should upgrade to 12.04?
10:19<HoopyCat>prossibly not a bad idea
10:21<brian___>well one thing thats really confusing me about the whole thing is that when i run netstat it shows a ton of connections... but none of my sites are that highly trafficked...
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10:22<brian___>is there a way to run netstat to see which domain is responsible for the connections?
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10:22<caker>brian___: no.
10:22<silas123>hello is there a representative that I can talk to privately?
10:23<HoopyCat>silas123: your best bet would be to open a ticket or call linode
10:24<silas123>ok well since I am here anyways which package is best if I'm expecting a 5-10k traffic per day?
10:25<@akerl>I'd say start with the smallest plan
10:25*baconcake nods
10:26<silas123>and if there is a traffic spike whats the policy there; stealth charges, site downtime or?
10:26<caker>none of those
10:27<@akerl>silas123: No charges, and whether or not your site handles the spike is primarily a factor of how you've configured it internally. We don't shut down sites for becoming popular :P
10:27<@akerl>You've got guaranteed resources and full root access to set up your services
10:28<silas123>well that's good news, I'll make that ticket for my other questions then
10:28<silas123>thanks for assistance
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10:35<Jacques>Just set up a Linode 4 GB for a dedicated mySQL server
10:36<Jacques>can you please help on turning the my.cnf?
10:37<baconcake>Jacques: that's not easy to do.
10:37<baconcake>It depends what your access patterns are, what else runs on the server, etc.
10:38<Jacques>only mysql runs on teh server
10:38<Jacques>I currently have two linux box
10:39<arooni-mobile__>anyone here a digitalpoint forum member? i need one more like for a forum post so i can post a logo design contest there.
10:39<Jacques>one with apps and this new one with just mysql server
10:39<@akerl>arooni-mobile__: Dude, seriously?
10:39<HoopyCat>Jacques: my usual approach is to ensure everything's using the innodb storage engine, first and foremost. then, use iteratively
10:39<arooni-mobile__>akerl, yes; why not? its actually an interesting post about cost of living in argentina as an expat
10:39<Jacques>just install mysqltuner
10:39<@akerl>arooni-mobile__: This channel doesn't need popup ads
10:40<HoopyCat>Jacques: download it, install it, and take its advice under consideration
10:40<arooni-mobile__>its not an ad; i just need to post a logo design contest and they did this stupid thing where you have to have 3 likes on your posts before you can
10:40<HoopyCat>Jacques: (and run it, too)
10:40<HoopyCat>arooni-mobile__: obviously, it's to shift the spam problem into other media
10:40<baconcake>arooni-mobile__: You're doing a sneaky kind of spamming now.
10:41<arooni-mobile__>i dont understand how its spamming to ask if someone is a dp member; i've been a paying user of linode for years; i just thought someone here might be a member of that forum
10:41<arooni-mobile__>did you see a link in what i wrote?
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10:42<Jacques>ok thanks
10:42<HoopyCat>arooni-mobile__: the first time was probably ok, although a very small number of us (particularly myself) responded with excessive snark. the second time... ehhhh
10:43<Jacques>but any other help aprt from mysltuner
10:43<arooni-mobile__>HoopyCat, ok i thought there might be different people online 24 hours later;
10:43<Jacques>already download mysqltuner but need about 24 hours to take into account advice
10:43<arooni-mobile__>its just frustrating; maybe ill post my design contest somewhere else; they have alwasy given me the best results
10:44<HoopyCat>Jacques: there's some general purpose database tuning hints in, although that's more from the standpoint of database structure and query design
10:45<HoopyCat>Jacques: i dug when i was building a modest cluster of mysql servers, and it was that book that made a few of mysql's weird tricks finally understandable to me
10:45<HoopyCat>Jacques: what is the problem you're trying to solve right now?
10:46<Jacques>In fact I'll like the server to fully use the ressource for the linode box
10:46<Jacques>and to have teh best latency possible
10:47<HoopyCat>Jacques: are particular queries taking a long time?
10:49<Jacques>not really but I am implementing max search queries
10:49<Jacques>you can take a look
10:51<HoopyCat>Jacques: amusingly, the javascript from was the slowest thing to load by far
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10:52<HoopyCat>Jacques: but boy was that search slow
10:53<Jacques>ummm, really?
10:54<HoopyCat>Jacques: yes. 16.4 seconds to load the first time, 8.5 s the second time
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10:55<Jacques>yes, i see
10:55<HoopyCat>Jacques: nice clean URLs, by the way. +1
10:56<Jacques>thanks but still have a long way to go with teh web
10:58<HoopyCat>Jacques: how are the searches implemented on the backend? using something like solr, or just mysql?
11:02<Jacques>just mysql
11:02<Jacques>what is teh best way to implement search ?
11:04<HoopyCat>Jacques: i've had good experiences with solr
11:04<SDr>Jacques, for general freeform text, that's an awesome intro on how to wrap SQL around plaintext; however, you'll still need site-specific customization. I'd start with a very eager monitoring of user-entered queries, and thinking hard on what, specifically, the users were looking for when they've entered a query
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11:06<Jacques>yes thanks
11:06<HoopyCat>one of the little bonus features i liked with solr was the more-like-this feature... tack it onto the bottom of a page and it'll give people other stuff to look at
11:06<Jacques>it that done in Java or PHP?
11:07<Jacques>is there any example of SOLR with PHP?
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11:07<HoopyCat>(i worked on a project that was a lot like, except it wasn't satire... lots of text-based content, with heavy localization)
11:07<SDr>HoopyCat, solr is very good; alas I found it's users to skip the important step of understanding what's going on under the hood, and they wonder later why their "search sucks"
11:08<SDr>I guess "understand your problem domain" is all I'm saying.
11:08<HoopyCat>Jacques: there are probably examples out there. we were a django shop and used haystack.
11:10<HoopyCat>SDr: nod... i think solr would likely work out well for this type of site, though. (with proper templates, etc, of course)
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11:13<HoopyCat>it's worth a shot... it provides a RESTish API that poops out JSON, so integration isn't too tough. it would also help to use your resources more completely :-)
11:17<Jacques>jajajaja, do we have some example I can see
11:17<Jacques>if possible in PHP?
11:17<HoopyCat>i'd start with, perhaps the tutorial
11:19<HoopyCat>(note that 'apt-get install solr-jetty' should get you a working solr on many OSes)
11:20<SDr>does linode offer any off-site monitoring system similar to pingdom?
11:20<HoopyCat>SDr: certainly! deploy another linode in a different datacenter, then install a monitoring system on it, pointed at your original linode. :-)
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11:21<SDr>:P :P :P
11:21<HoopyCat>SDr: less-useless answer: no
11:22<HoopyCat>SDr: pingdom is tough to beat wrt price and features. that said, i wouldn't mind a notification feature in longview...
11:25<HoopyCat>welp, time to start pre-flighting the scooby. have fun, y'all!
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12:37<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
12:37<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 32.0F/00C, visibility 2 miles, wind 16.11 mph, wind chill 21.20F (altimeter: 30.01) [KROC 231701Z 27014G25KT 2SM R04/6000VP6000FT -SN FEW028 BKN038 OVC120 00/M04 A3001 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3 P0000]
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12:39<HoopyCat>ooh, the rare and spectacular runway visual range
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12:40<brian___>HoopyCat: still working out this issue. do you have any thoughts as to why i might have dozens of local connections when i run netstat?
12:41<HoopyCat>brian___: pastebin the output of: netstat -ntlp (needs to be run as root for the -p option)
12:42<brian___>that one produced much fewer results than -plantu
12:42<brian___>one sec
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12:42<HoopyCat>yeah, i don't care about the -u or the -a :-)
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12:56<HoopyCat>brian___: it appears to have been removed
12:58<brian___>the top list is the first time i ran it about 10 mins ago and now when i ran it again
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13:01<brian___>and again just for the sake of doing it again...
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13:08<HoopyCat>brian___: you know what, i'm a dumbass.
13:08<HoopyCat>brian___: the -a option is what i'm looking for here. netstat -plant
13:08<brian___>you need -plantu?
13:08<HoopyCat>or -plantu, your choice :-)
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13:10<brian___>i also just installed longview
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13:22<justin|admin>is vps for window
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13:24<SDr>justin|admin, to my knowledge, linode offers no windows OSs at this time. a full list of supported OSs / distributions can be found at
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13:27<HoopyCat>brian___: so let's see here... the ones involving are mysql-related
13:28<HoopyCat>brian___: that leaves two connections involving, one active (longview polling your apache) and one in the process of closing
13:28<HoopyCat>brian___: highly-unscientific methodology: grep -v LISTEN mVRyx3Pj.txt | grep -v | grep
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13:34<HoopyCat>brian___: yup, there's two connections
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13:34<brian___>the established and close_wait?
13:35<HoopyCat>brian___: yep
13:35<brian___>sorry to be dumb here, but what exactly does that mean
13:36<brian___>two simultanous mysql connections... prob shouldnt be happening youre saying yeah?
13:36<HoopyCat>brian___: there's one active connection (established) and one in the closing process (close_wait / fin_wait_2) ...
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13:37<HoopyCat>brian___: those are HTTP connections to localhost involving apache. in the paste i looked at, there were 24 active mysql connections, which is not unreasonable
13:39<HoopyCat>brian___: (there were 32 established "non-localhost" HTTP connections at that time for comparison)
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13:42<brian___>HoopyCat: i see. sorry again to be dumb, but are you saying that there should only be one mysql connection internally? and there are currently 2-3?
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13:43<HoopyCat>brian___: no, i'm saying everything is fine: you have 32 incoming HTTP connections into 32 different HTTP processes (thanks to mpm-prefork), and 24 of them have connections to mysqld
13:44<brian___>HoopyCat: hmmm ... but everything is running SUPER slow... even trying to open a file via ssh is incredibly slow
13:46<brian___>would increasing my swap help? right now it's 256
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13:50<HoopyCat>brian___: what's free -m say?
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13:50<HoopyCat>brian___: also 'vmstat 1 20', which will poop out one line per second for 20 seconds
13:53<HoopyCat>brian___: resource-wise, things look OK. what's your MaxClients set to in your apache config? also, what's your KeepaliveTimeout and Keepalives set to?
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13:54<brian___>MaxClients 300; KeppAliveTimout 3; KeepAlive on
13:55<brian___>MaxKeepAliveRequests is set to 250
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13:58<HoopyCat>brian___: woooooooah. yeah, try easing MaxClients back to perhaps 40-ish?
13:59<HoopyCat>brian___: what's a URL on your site that's particularly slow right now?
14:00<brian___>oh hey maxclient 300 is for mpm_worker_module
14:00<brian___>maxclients for mpm_prefork is 25
14:01<HoopyCat>seems OK from here right now... i got redirected to https, though
14:01<brian___>yeah thats normal
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14:01<brian___>it's loading quicker now than it was previously actually. but theres still a good 3 seconds before the page shows anything
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14:02<HoopyCat>weren't that many HTTPS connections up when you did the netstat -ntlpa thing... only two. didn't even see them at first.
14:02<HoopyCat>what's on port 80?
14:04<HoopyCat>indeed, was slower than snails... 13.3 seconds to get the HTML out
14:05<HoopyCat>hang on, you're throwing me URLs faster than your server can produce HTML
14:05<HoopyCat>(as a heads up, i'm heading out of town in about 15 minutes :-)
14:06<HoopyCat>53 seconds to produce, and now i'm waiting for static files to come out
14:06<HoopyCat>soooooo... how many requests per second is your apache handling?
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14:07<brian___>how do i check that?
14:07<HoopyCat>brian___: i think longview'll say something about that, but i haven't looked
14:07*HoopyCat checks
14:08<brian___>hm the apache tab wont work in long view
14:08<brian___>Unable to access local server status for Apache at 500 read timeout
14:09<HoopyCat>well, that's damning
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14:09<HoopyCat>brian___: ok, emergency countermeasures. KeepAlive Off.
14:10<HoopyCat>brian___: on the MySQL tab of Longview... what's Queries looking like, and is there anything in Slow Queries? (might not be, if the slow query log is turned off)
14:11<brian___>31 Max connections 859 Queries in cache
14:11<brian___>slow queries there is some stuff
14:12<brian___>most recently
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14:12<linbot>New news from forum: "An update for the Longview agent is available. Please updat in General Discussion <>
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14:13<HoopyCat>brian___: in the big Queries chart at the top, what do the most recent values look like?
14:15*HoopyCat grabs a magazine to read
14:15<brian___>lol sorry : (((
14:16<heckman>imgur dude
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14:16<heckman>or even puush is even better
14:18<HoopyCat>jeez... 1 select per second, 2.2 Mb/s throughput... what's in that database?!
14:18<linbot>New news from forum: "An update for the Longview agent is available. Please updat in General Discussion <>
14:18<stephenplatz>speaking of longview, does anyone know a common reason why I would have several (10) postgres connections listed on my active connections?
14:19<HoopyCat>stephenplatz: is something using postgres?
14:19<stephenplatz>HoopyCat: not that I know of
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14:20<HoopyCat>stephenplatz: you can probably safely turn it off, then. (that'll also tell you what's using it)
14:21<stephenplatz>HoopyCat: good, my thoughts too, but I thought I'd put it out there, thanks
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14:22<HoopyCat>brian___: so i'm not sure why things are taking so long. i suspect it's taking a long time to serve out some particular HTTP resource, which is causing a queue to build up. Keepalives Off will force things to disconnect as soon as they're done (instead of waiting for ~3 seconds), and that might help a bit. it might be time to tail -f some log files...
14:22<HoopyCat>and in any case, off to buffalloooooooo
14:22<brian___>thanks a lot HoopyCat really appreciate it!
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16:37<dand>does linode sends email when a node payment is about to expire?
16:38<dand>is there a way to tell how much time I have left with a running node?
16:39<caker>dand: you'll get an invoice on the day it renews. And hopefully a payment receipt too. If not, we sent 4 (I think?) notices/warnings before your bits go away (or so)
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16:41<dand>caker: so I need to have an updated credit card?
16:41<dand>caker: will it renews with the same plan? month/1year/2years
16:42<caker>it renews with the same subscription term, yes -- unless you tell us beforehand otherwise
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16:42<dand>caker: ok. thanks
16:44<dand>caker: something in the management console about time left until the next payment for each node could be nice
16:44<dand>unless you don't want it because of marketing issues :)
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16:52<kyhwana>dand: hmm/w 14
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16:57<@jchen>dand: it's always the first of every month
16:58<@jchen>i dont think you need reminding when the next month starts :P
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17:00<rnowak>what's a month
17:00<rnowak>this is discriminating towards us that do not understand the calendar
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17:06<dand>what if you are paying for 2 years in advance?
17:07<@akerl>dand: Then the last invoice is in that Account tab, and says when you paid through
17:10<dand>akerl: I'm not saying it's impposible to find out when but it's not obvious when you have several nodes and several payments
17:11<dand>never mind, I'll manage
17:11<dand>just a suggestion :)
17:11<@akerl>I'm just trying to clarify how you can see the info $now; your suggestion has been noted :>
17:11<dand>I rather have small complaints with the interface than the quality of service
17:11<dand>ok. thanks
17:12<@akerl>Can't promise when/if it'll happen, but we do note feedback like that so we can try to make things better
17:12<kyhwana>akerl: yeah, it would be nice if there was a date listed somewhere, rather than having to go back through them, especially if you have some on yearly and some on monthly
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17:49<dcraig>lol dongview
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18:07<Ikaros>That made me chuckle.
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18:30<KyleXY>Ugh, Linode isn't processing emails correctly?
18:30<KyleXY>there it goes, finally
18:30<KyleXY>heckman: delayed emails, heh
18:30<KyleXY>was waiting for the ip confirmation email for a few
18:30<KyleXY>and I missed the */15 mark, dang
18:30<heckman>disable whitelist and use two-factor
18:31<heckman>problem solved
18:31<KyleXY>heckman: the two factor is broken too anyway, ;p
18:31<KyleXY>both are, really
18:31<heckman>two-factor isn't broken
18:31<KyleXY>heckman: still bypassed by the API, unless that was finally fixed,
18:32<@akerl>IP whitelist is similarly unaffected by the API
18:32<KyleXY>akerl: "bath are, really"
18:32<heckman>Disable the API for your user, set up a restricted one for your API shit.
18:32<@akerl>err, flop those subject and pred
18:32<KyleXY>I just never bothered disabling the ip whitelist stuffs,
18:36<Ikaros>I suppose for my own security that would be a good thing to use...although I have a dynamic, it doesn't shift all that often if at all - usually I have to be 'forced' offline by, say, a prolonged power outage.
18:37<Ikaros>Since my ISP utilizes DHCP, I'd have to be offline long enough for the lease to expire.
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18:37<@akerl>Should set up an HE tunnel and whitelist your v6 range :?
18:37<@akerl>:>, rather
18:37<Ikaros>I have actually.
18:38<Ikaros>My router hands out assignments from my /64
18:38<@akerl>Likewise. One of these days I'll get around to setting up rdns for stuff
18:39<Ikaros>So wait, if I access right now and my browser currently prefers IPv6, it'll utilize it for the manager?
18:39<Ikaros>Learn something new every day.
18:39<staticsafe>Linode stuff is dual-stack
18:39<@akerl>It's ultimately up to your browser, but yea, the vast majority of our web stuffs have been dual stack for a while
18:39<Ikaros>I should have assumed.
18:39<@akerl>Since one of the many "IPv6 Day"s
18:40<staticsafe>! :)
18:40<Ikaros>...yeah, how many more of those are we going to have to hold before ISPs/companies REALLY get into implementing it
18:40<staticsafe>Comcast and TWC are deploying it
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18:40*Ikaros stares impatiently at Verizon
18:41<Ikaros>Actually I'm sure they have it too as I noted they already have numerous blocks allocated to them.
18:41<Ikaros>They're just lacking in full deployment.
18:41<@akerl>Comcast here hands out /64s to most folks, but you don't get a static prefix
18:41<@akerl>Which makes it bleh for setting up anything solid
18:41<Ikaros>But it's whatever with me, my HE tunnel works just fine.
18:42<Ikaros>And in some cases offers much better latency than my usual connection.
18:42<Ikaros>(believe it or not)
18:42<Ikaros>That reminds me, I need to set up rDNS for my current assigned IPv6'
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18:43<Ikaros>...annoying Windows has TWO IPv6 addresses - one is shown as "Temporary". :x
18:43<staticsafe>its the Privacy address extension to IPv6
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18:45<staticsafe>can be disabled with netsh or the NetTCPIP Powershell module in Windows 8 or higher
18:46<Ikaros>Yeah, for now, no need.
18:46<Ikaros>I have connectivity, I'm pleased.
18:46<staticsafe>i only set RDNS for hosts in my network that have static v6 addresses, like my router and rpi
18:47<@akerl>staticsafe: What in your network doesn't have static v6 addresses? o.O
18:47<@akerl>SLAAC, bro
18:47<Ikaros>Oh yeah, also to note, my router doesn't know know to filter IPv6 packets whatsoever, so basically I'm 100% open to the internet...or that would have been the case had I not known how to do so.
18:47<staticsafe>i use DHCPv6
18:47<Ikaros>know how*
18:47<staticsafe>and SLAAC
18:47<staticsafe>for devices that don't do DHCPv6
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18:48<@akerl>Why not SLAAC the whole dealio?
18:48<staticsafe>IPv6 resolver distribution
18:48<staticsafe>and Windows doesn't do RDNSS
18:48<Demannu>Yo mom dont do rdnss
18:48<Nivex>Android doesn't do DHCPv6
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18:49<Ikaros>Ah ha, there it is. Be right back.
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18:49<@akerl>Also <3 static leases in tomato via MAC address
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18:50<@akerl>beats the heck out of manually configuring static IPs on * devices, especially for ones that sometimes connect to other networks
18:50<staticsafe>also another annoying issue, OSX prefers the v4 resolvers over the v6 ones
18:50<staticsafe>same with iOS
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18:51<Nivex>v6 only with nat64... well again except on Android
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18:52<Ikaros>And again, I now hear my weather radio going off in the other room. Makes me wonder exactly how many times they have to activate the EAS for one warning.
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18:53<staticsafe>Nivex: Android is a disappointment in that direction :(
18:54*staticsafe wonders how Windows Phone behaves
18:55<Nivex>according to you need Win Phone 8 for any real usefulness
18:57<staticsafe> Suffers from intermittent loss of its unicast address on some phones.
18:58<Nivex>yeah, the wifi radio goes into deep sleep and misses the RA over multicast.
18:59<Nivex>my friend's phone does that with annoying frequency
18:59*staticsafe nods
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19:00<Nivex>I can forgive early versions of Android being shoddy on the wireless since their main market was phones, but now that they've released wifi only tablets, they needed to have had their act in gear
19:00<Nivex>But the person at Google I talked with basically told me to get lost
19:05<Ikaros>Big corporations do that.
19:05<Ikaros>They think so highly of themselves/are full of themselves
19:05<Nivex>oh but don't you know that Android is Open Source so people should just submit patches? </sarcasm>
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19:07<staticsafe>hm what about the Google OS, ChromeOS?
19:08<Ikaros>I have plenty of complaints about it, but the list is too long to even begin.
19:09<Ikaros>Though I will also be honest and say that a lot of those are just because I'm just used to Windows.
19:09<Ikaros>Strange I didn't have the same issue when I threw a DE on top of a Linux kernel though >.>
19:10<xales>staticsafe: Also known as Gentoo? :p
19:10*Ikaros snickers
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19:38<Ikaros>Ahh. Webmin supports two-factor now, why didn't I install this when it was released...
19:38<gparent>Webmin could support unicorns and I still wouldn't use it.
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19:54<Nivex>posession of unicorn required as second factor
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20:19<@mmustac>note, we'll need justification also before we can assign an additional unicorn
20:19<Ikaros>Way to be late.
20:20<@mmustac>sorry, I just got in
20:20<@mmustac>but seriously we got these new unicorn that no ones using really yet, those you can have billions of
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20:21<Ikaros>I have enough thanks.
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20:33<Ashfire908>LISH passwords are no longer a thing, right?
20:33<James_T>No idea
20:34<James_T>Ashfire908: Tried your linode manager password?
20:34<Ashfire908>No, I'm not locked out, I'm just checking before I delete them from my password manager
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20:34<James_T>oh ok
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20:34<James_T>yeah, lish is behind a gateway now
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21:37<jazzybee>So...something weird is going on with my Comcast connection. It seems to keep switching between IP v4 and v6. When I go to I get v4 address one time and a v6 address another time -- within 30 seconds. This means Linode graphs don't work.
21:39<jazzybee>Any tips on how to fix this?
21:39<James_T>that's normal
21:39<trippeh>jazzybee: Stop using Safari - it's broken.
21:39<James_T>your browser picks the one it likes best
21:40<jazzybee>James_T so Firefox is switching? That seems weird.
21:40<James_T>nah, it's how it works
21:40<jazzybee>trippeh: I'm on Firefox
21:40<James_T>also you'll have caching
21:40<trippeh>ff is not as moody as safari
21:40<trippeh>with address selection
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22:19<Peng>jazzybee: If IPv6 is too slow or lossy, Firefox will instantly and silently use IPv4.
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22:21<Peng>jazzybee: It's called Happy Eyeballs. A client tries to open an IPv6 connection, waits a moment, tries to open an IPv4 connection, and uses whichever one completes first.
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22:29<Peng>(Of course, if you have, say, 25% IPv6 packet loss, some connections will successfully open, then be horrible and slow.)
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22:30<James_T>like urmom
22:31<Peng>If you have 25% packet loss, what's the chance of a three-way handshake completing with no loss?
22:31<Ikaros>*brain explodes*
22:32<James_T>75% chance?
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22:33<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
22:33<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 39.2F/04C, visibility 10 miles, wind 12.66 mph, wind chill 31.60F (altimeter: 30.52) [KDFW 240253Z 01011KT 10SM FEW110 SCT250 04/M03 A3052 RMK AO2 SLP336 T00441028 53007 $]
22:33<Ikaros>Oh ho, it's coming down again.
22:33<Ikaros>Looking like that winter storm warning is warranted.
22:34*mdc likes snow
22:34<@mdc>Hopefully we get some soon.
22:35<James_T>!wx YWLM
22:35<linbot>James_T: [metar] OBS at YWLM: 73.4F/23C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 17.26 mph, wind chill 74.46F (altimeter: 29.648102932) [YWLM 240300Z 14015KT 9999 FEW030 23/11 Q1004]
22:35<James_T>dat visibility
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23:00<Ikaros>James_T: I highly doubt you can see halfway across the world.
23:01<Ikaros>Someone needs to fix that observation
23:02<Ikaros>...ha, kdfw sensor needs maintenance again.
23:02<Ikaros>I swear, 9 times out of every 10 I pull that METAR up it needs maintenance.
23:02<Ikaros>(the "$" at the end)
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23:05<Peng>How much METAR can you read?
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23:07<Peng>Well, I suppose it's not any harder than any other mysterious code to learn.
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23:54<mohsin1230>hi can we change the ip of linode ?
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.92890361, 0.45622375) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 435494 of 554212 (π ≈ 3.143158213824313 - 0.001565560234519). http://π
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