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#linode IRC Logs for 2014-01-27

---Logopened Mon Jan 27 00:00:49 2014
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01:14<swiftkey>hello there
01:15<swiftkey>I have a linode and my files are being stored in / by default since it is located in /var/www
01:15<swiftkey>i dont have space there anymore
01:16<dwfreed>resize your disk image, then?
01:16<swiftkey>but in home its like 95% free space
01:17<swiftkey>can i change the size into / ?
01:17<Peng>Resize both your disk images, then?
01:18<@akerl>Things like this remind me why multiple disk images are bleh
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01:19<swiftkey>i got dc
01:19<swiftkey><swiftkey> but in home its like 95% free space
01:19<swiftkey><swiftkey> can i change the size into / ?
01:20<Peng>Resize both your disk images, then?
01:23<swiftkey>is there any way to resize it in linode manager ?
01:23<dwfreed>click edit
01:23<dwfreed>:)
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02:27<linbot>New news from forum: Site that's become much slower -- MySQL issue? in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10806&p=62418#p62418>
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06:25<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
06:25<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 24.8F/-04C, visibility 1 miles, wind 17.26 mph, chill 11.49F (altimeter: 29.39) [KROC 271054Z 30015G22KT 1/4SM R04/2600VP6000FT +SN BLSN VV010 M04/M05 A2939 RMK AO2 PK WND 30030/1039 SLP962 VIS 1/8V1 SNINCR 1/4 P0003 T10391050 $]
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06:29<HoopyCat>the visibility is about equal to my stopping distance from 30 mph, so at least i've got that going for me, which is nice
06:30<KyleXY>HoopyCat: yeah i just looked outside
06:30<KyleXY>it got bad like, instantly o_O
06:31<HoopyCat>tragedy today as a truck carrying wegmans-brand instant shit flakes crashes on the thruway
06:32<KyleXY>heh..
06:32<KyleXY>HoopyCat: yay lake effect snow
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06:35<HoopyCat>KyleXY: i think this is just plain ol' non-lake-effect snow down here at least
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06:59<Gika>i'm a bit confused by the "docker on linode" thing. basically 1 linode = 1 docker container?
07:02<KyleXY>Gika: docker host,
07:02<KyleXY>Gika: tl;dr, linode is supplying a kernel that works with docker out of the box now
07:02<KyleXY>because before, you needed to boot your own kernel to do so
07:04<Gika>KyleXY: yes, i got that. but, not being familiar with docker, i was wondering if 1 linode = 1 docker or for example you could put more than 1 docker container on the same linode
07:04<Gika>i.e. an app container and a db container
07:05<KyleXY>Gika: 1 linode = 1 docker host = many containers
07:06<KyleXY>docker is just a fancy tool that navigates linux containers (LXC) for you,
07:06<Gika>KyleXY: ok, thanks! and just to be clear, there's no performance degradation (like with vagrant) with docker, right?
07:07<KyleXY>Gika: not anything measurable, really
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07:44<AlexC_>HoopyCat: It takes you 1mile to stop at 30mph? What are you driving?
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10:24<Ruchira_>guys Im having a strange routing issue
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10:24<Ruchira>not on linoe
10:24<Ruchira>linode
10:24<Ruchira>Im using another VPS outside linode to serve files from my web site hosted on linode
10:25<Ruchira>because its unmetered. I have found out that I cant access my VPS using SSH and ping timeouts
10:25<Ruchira>I have tried pinging from inside VPS to my home IP and it times out too
10:25<Ruchira>its hosted on Redstation UK DC
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10:26<Ruchira>traceroute kind of flip flops on 2 ips
10:26<Ruchira>http://paste.ee/p/FOHTJ
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10:27<Ruchira>I use Debian 7 and I have checked iptables for any issues there but its empty and default
10:28<Ruchira>any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
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10:39<@jchen>you probably want to contact whoever is hosting your other vps
10:42<Ruchira>yeah thanks I have already contacted them. its strange since I have a dynamic IP and this problem is happening since about 5 days
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11:36<casey>Question: I switched from mdm-prefork PHP to php-fpm a couple days ago, and although my memory usage is much lower, my CPU usage is incredibly high. Is this normal for php-fpm?
11:39<halothe23>Not really.
11:39<linbot>New news from forum: How to tell when to upgrade a Linode? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10809&p=62424#p62424>
11:39<halothe23>if you are using the worker module to serve content, it should be much lower, rather then higher
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11:46<casey>yeah, it must be something else then... http://goo.gl/lMm4sD
11:46<casey>i did just install WP Advanced Firewall on all of my sites, so maybe those processes are causing high CPU load.
11:46<casey>I switched to php5-fpm right at the same time I implemented the firewalls.
11:47<AlexC_>casey: Yes it could be depending on what your "pm" setting is
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11:48<AlexC_>You could have more processes avaialble with your switch to PHP-FPM compared to your previous configuration
11:48<casey>Is it necessarily something to worry about?
11:49<AlexC_>Configure FPM to meet your needs would be step 1 :)
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11:49<AlexC_>It's not a install and forget thing
11:49<casey>Yeah, I'd love to tune it for efficient performance.
11:50<AlexC_>Then do just that, look at the FPM status page as well to get an idea of what is going on. All this is documented
11:50<casey>is the pm setting in etc/php5/fpm/php.ini? I'm not seeing it in that file.
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11:50<AlexC_>No it's in your individual FPM pool configs
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11:51<casey>Ah, I just found a tutorial about the fpm status page.
11:51<casey>Enabling that is definitely my first step here.
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12:25<casey>I realised I forgot to add the fastcgi external handler and action handler to my vhost files. but now I'm getting (500) internal server errors
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12:44<monolito>hi, in the linode dns manager, when doing dkim records, should i use _domainkey or default_domainkey, i know i don't have to append the domain casue it's automatically done, i think?
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12:48<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Linode API <http://library.linode.com/api> || API Key <http://library.linode.com/api/key>
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12:56<monolito> in the linode dns manager, when doing dkim records, should i use _domainkey or default_domainkey, i know i don't have to append the domain casue it's automatically done, correct?
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13:32<mrevd>hey all. anyone know how to configure exim to use a smarthost and define a single sender for all outgoing messages? as opposed to what seems to be the process owner's uid?
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13:38<buhman>mrevd: you mean modify headers for outgoing messages?
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13:45<@qmr>X-Totally-Not-Spam-No-Really-Though: True
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14:41<gpd>any idea why apache randomly showing directory index instead of index.php - only occasionally does it.
14:41<gpd>if you reload the page the index.php sometimes loads. if you set Indexes off then you get an error message instead of the directory listing.
14:41<gpd>can't imagine it is a configuration issue as it would happen all the time... or not. any ideas?
14:42<gpd>i haven't changed my linode for years - so why now... :?
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14:59<casey>Is FastCGI faster than php-fpm in general?
14:59<@qmr>have you reviewed your log files?
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15:03<bob2>fpm uses fasctcgi
15:03<bob2>best is avoiding php entirely
15:08<kyhwana>If you have to, stick it in a LXC container?
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15:09<casey>Well, since my business revolves around WordPress, I'm stuck with PHP for now (until I teach myself Ruby for use with RoR).
15:10<casey>So once I add the FastCGI info in my virtual host, my site becomes ridiculously quick to load, but I get a couple 500 Internal Server errors.
15:11<rnowak>fatal errors tend to come back quickly yes
15:11<casey>:)
15:12<casey>It seems to be an issue with url redirects. Any idea why that would come up (limit 10) after enbaling fastcgi?
15:12<rnowak>don't redirect more than 10 times
15:13<casey>Unless WordPress is doing that, I have no 301 (or otherwise) redirects set up on my sites.
15:13<halothe23>casey check for alias or rewrite mod issues.
15:13<bob2>read your logs
15:13<gparent>^
15:14<casey>I've been reading all the logs I can - still can't figure out what the problem is. Here's the output of apache's rewrite.log http://pastebin.com/Bd3Yxk0j
15:15<casey>it does look like my alias settings (php5.external) is causing an issue - i'm just not sure what's technically causing it.
15:15<bob2>lolphp
15:16<casey>The strange thign is, some links work, and other's don't.
15:16<bob2>you'll need to look at your request logs
15:17<casey>Is that the "access.log"?
15:17<rnowak>have your developer(s) or sysadmin(s) check it out?
15:17<casey>I am the developer/sysadmin :) Checking it out now.
15:19<casey>Here's the sort of error i see in my site-specific log: http://pastebin.com/Y6aB8FQb
15:19<casey>But I'm not getting that error when I don't have the FastCGI bit in my vhost. Only when I add it do I get these redirect errors.
15:20<casey>I'm guessing my settings for the php-fpm handler are trying to redirect the addresses too many times?
15:20<bob2>== your config is busted, bpaste.net it
15:20<gparent>casey: nobody wants to play guessing games all day really
15:20<gparent>but it's a good clue that your redirection settings are incorrect, yes
15:21<gparent>well, whatever 'bits' you add
15:21<casey>Is there some php-fpm specific language that needs to go in the htaccess file?
15:21<rnowak>#god why am I using php, why why why why why why why why
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15:21<rnowak>is something you could add
15:21<@mikegrb>lulz
15:21<casey>lol
15:21<rnowak>it may or may not have any effect
15:22<casey>what languages do you use, btw?
15:22<gparent>mostly English.
15:22<bob2>don't use htaccess :/
15:22<bob2>you have root
15:22<bob2>config it properly
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15:23<linbot>New news from forum: Host 50 microsites on one box in Sales Questions and Answers <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10810&p=62429#p62429>
15:25<casey>Okay, so it looks like I should be editing the apache conf file to avoid using htaccess
15:25<casey>I'll look into that and see if I can fix these issues. (Gotta learn somewhere!)
15:25<rnowak>preferably before starting a business based on it
15:26<casey>too late for that :)
15:26<casey>I know a lot more about Linux now than I did 2 years ago when I started this all.
15:29<rnowak>I'd hate to be a client paying someone to learn how to do what you're paying for when that something is trivial -- it is kinda dishonest in my eyes too, but that's me
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16:12<Ericson>hello everyone it's linode have 512mb?
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16:12<gparent>no.
16:13<Ericson>okay thanks too bad i don't need large ram since i will only use for my portfolio thanks anyway
16:14<gparent>It's the same price as 512MB used to be.
16:14<gparent>So you don't lose out a whole lot
16:15<Ericson>in digital ocean it only $5 i think
16:15<Peng>You don't lose anything.
16:15<Peng>Ericson: Yes, DigitalOcean has a $5, 512 MB plan. Linode's smallest plan is 1 GB for $20.
16:15<atula>hello. I have 2 web servers running nginx and would like to put them behind a loadbalancer, but I need to mirror some data (static files) so that they're synched on both server. I immediately think of cronjob and rsync, but perhaps my thinking is outdate. I was wondering if someone else has better idea. thanks.
16:16<Ericson>Thanks i think i need to invest for this since $20 a month is a big for me :) kudos Linode
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16:18<Ericson>anyway aside when i got my first month. it is have a trial like a week or a month?
16:19<gparent>Linode has a 4 hour trial I think.
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16:22<danblack>atula: lsyncd
16:23<shodan_uk>Hey guys - I'm having a problem doing a distro upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04. I can't install update-manager-core as fails with the following error: "Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed"
16:23<atula>thank you danblack
16:23<atula>danblack: are there any other names? alternatives?
16:23<shodan_uk>full output from sudo apt-get install update-manager-core: http://pastebin.com/bEJCnqKc
16:24<danblack>atula: probably some replicated filesystems but it doesn't quite make sence on two nodes. there's undoublty other ideas there.
16:24<atula>thanks
16:25<atula>eh I don't want to install lua heh
16:26<atula>what to do... what to do
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16:28<Ericson>now i trying my first 2 month from treehouse perks
16:29<danblack>atula: that seems like a bit of a copout excuse. In addition to whatever mechanism you use, you can use nginx to proxy the request to the other server if not found locally.
16:29<@akerl>danblack: That kindof defeats the point
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16:30<@akerl>If you put your servers behind a nodebalancer, but then they need to talk to each other to serve content, you don't really gain high-availability
16:30<danblack>it provides a mechanism that happens to return a real page if the sync isn't up to date
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16:43<Peng>atula: One way is to cheat and have both nodes upload user data to S3 or somesuch.
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16:56<@qmr>atrus: rsync, lsyncd, ceph, gluster, drbd,
16:56<@jchen>atula left the channel
16:58<@qmr>-.-
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16:58<Ikaros|cell>Guess some people are just impatient.
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17:14<Schroeder>is there a way to make a dumb terminal connect via ssh?
17:14<Schroeder>I'm thinking about setting a bunch up throughout my house and having them connect to my linode
17:14<mwalling>i think you can do that with slackware
17:15<kyhwana>Schroeder: connect your dumb terminal to a linux box that has ssh?
17:15<Schroeder>kyhwana: what do you mean?
17:16<Schroeder>can ssh forward connections over serial lines?
17:17<kyhwana>Schroeder: .. no, what are your dumb terminals connected to?
17:17<Schroeder>< Schroeder> I'm thinking about setting a bunch up throughout my house and having them connect to my linode
17:18<kyhwana>Schroeder: how can you connect your dumb terminal to your linode exactly?
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17:21<Schroeder>that's what I'm trying to figure out
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17:23<kyhwana>Schroeder: .. you can't
17:23<kyhwana>So, connect them all to a linux box, then just ssh from there
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17:30<shodan_uk>Anyone get 5 mins to help me with an Ubuntu distro upgrade problem?
17:30<mwalling>!ask
17:30<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
17:30<Schroeder>shodan_uk: the solution is to use Slackware
17:30<shodan_uk>I did, about an hour ago ;)
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17:32<shodan_uk>Schroeder: nope that's not a solution
17:35<Yaakov>MWALLING!
17:35<Yaakov>YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!
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17:35<Yaakov>HOW THE HELL ARE YOU?!
17:35<mwalling>Yaakov: I AM FANTASTIC!
17:35<Yaakov>Yay!
17:36<Yaakov>I don't recall seeing you emit anything recently.
17:36<mwalling>meh
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17:36<Yaakov>meh?
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17:39<Yaakov>mwalling: My VX7R has decided that milliwatts are enough to transmit.
17:39<Yaakov>I tell it to give me watts, it gives me milliwatts.
17:39<Yaakov>Very uncivilized.
17:40<Schroeder>shodan_uk: it's THE solution, actually
17:40<Yaakov>shodan_uk: What is the problem, eactly?
17:40<Yaakov>x
17:40<Yaakov>shodan_uk: Also, try the forums...
17:41<shodan_uk>I'm having a problem doing a distro upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04. I can't install update-manager-core as fails with the following error: "Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu5 is to be installed"
17:41<shodan_uk>full output from sudo apt-get install update-manager-core: http://pastebin.com/bEJCnqKc
17:41<shodan_uk>Python 2.7 is installed
17:41<shodan_uk>and in use
17:42<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: so a significant problem you're going to run into is that the only version you can directly update to is 11.10, which reached end-of-life about a year ago
17:42<shodan_uk>yep, that's the plan
17:42<shodan_uk>then on to 12.04 from 11.10
17:43<shodan_uk>oh I see what you're saying
17:43<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: but for now... what does 'apt-cache policy update-manager-code' and 'apt-cache policy python' say ?
17:43<Yaakov>Hooplo, HellyCat!
17:43<HoopyCat>s/-code/-core/
17:43<HoopyCat>Yaakov!
17:43<Yaakov>Fix my VX7R please.
17:43<shodan_uk>N: Unable to locate package update-manager-code
17:43<Yaakov>All the bits are too small for me.
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17:43<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: you are authorized to fix my typos before running commands :-)
17:44<HoopyCat>my fingers are still somewhat frozen
17:44<@mikegrb>lulz
17:44<shodan_uk>oh lol
17:44<HoopyCat>Yaakov: have you tried reflashing it with newer firmware? that's either something you should or should not do
17:45<Yaakov>HoopyCat: City is shut down here, but mayoral order. University is closed until Wednesday.
17:45<shodan_uk>output from apt-cache policy update-manager-core http://pastebin.com/XY4dGrKG
17:45<Yaakov>s/but/by/
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17:45<HoopyCat>Yaakov: city is operating just fine here, although the snow has been falling slowly enough that it hasn't tripped the side street plowing condition
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17:45<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Linode CLI <http://library.linode.com/cli>
17:46<shodan_uk>output from apt-cache policy python http://pastebin.com/zuvtuZBc
17:46<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: uhhh, err... hmm. your server thinks it is running lucid (10.04)
17:46<shodan_uk>yikes
17:46<Yaakov>HoopyCat: The temps here are ±3°F
17:47<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: also, it appears someone manually installed python 2.7.1-0ubuntu5, which is not the python that came with lucid; this is probably what's causing update-manager-core to not want to install (because it requires python version be less than 2.7)
17:47<Yaakov>The snow is about 36" or so, with wind.
17:47<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: well, the good news about being on 10.04 is that you can directly upgrade to 12.04 :-)
17:47<Yaakov>Downgrade Python and carry on!
17:48<HoopyCat>indeed
17:48<shodan_uk>I'm pretty sure it's not lucid, even though that output suggests it is
17:48<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: "apt-get install python=2.6.5-0ubuntu1.1" should pull in the python it expects
17:48<shodan_uk>When I log in, I get: Welcome to Ubuntu 11.04 (GNU/Linux 3.8.4-linode50 i686)
17:48<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: what does the output of "lsb_release -a" say?
17:48<shodan_uk>It says it's 11.04 natty
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17:49<HoopyCat>shodan_uk: when is the last time you did 'apt-get update'? was it today or three years ago? :-)
17:49<shodan_uk>today
17:50<ajmitch_>shodan_uk: it's likely from that apt-cache policy output that you have lucid in /etc/apt/sources.list instead of natty
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17:50<HoopyCat>afk, phone
17:50<shodan_uk>I'll check that
17:51<shodan_uk>yep they all are
17:51<shodan_uk>is it simply a case of doing a global replace of lucid with natty?
17:51<ajmitch_>natty is on old-releases.ubuntu.com
17:54<shodan_uk>sorry, what's taht mean?
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18:02<JayN>It looks like a bot is trying to brute-force my Wordpress login. I've installed Limit Login Attempts and it says it's blocking the IP, but I'm still seeing the IP hitting /wp-login.php in my access.log -- how can I better combat this?
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18:03<Yaakov>I have so many devices checking mail I had to increase the mail_max_userip_connections in dovecot!
18:03*caker reads your email
18:04<shodan_uk>ok problem solved, I've not managed to install update-manager-core
18:04<ajmitch_>shodan_uk: it means that you'd use http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty instead of http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid
18:04<shodan_uk>thanks for teh help - I'm going to do the distro upgrade tomorrow eve
18:04<ajmitch_>but if it's solved, nevermind :)
18:04<shodan_uk>I guessed at what you suggested
18:04*ajmitch_ just did the straight lucid->precise upgrade instead
18:05<shodan_uk>I wish I had now
18:05<shodan_uk>thanks for your help anyway. G'night!
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18:08<Yaakov>caker!
18:08-!-fl0w [~mrtn@c213-89-244-236.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #linode
18:08<Yaakov>Woo, &c.
18:09<Yaakov>caker: Though I think it would be bad form, it wouldn't be a problem for you to read anything that I didn't make it impossible for you to do.
18:09<Yaakov>caker: How the hell are you, you handsome freak?
18:09<@caker>heh .. very busy these days, but good
18:10<Yaakov>The "very busy" I can relate to...
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18:10<Yaakov>The good, I am pretty familiar with as well, fortunately.
18:10<Yaakov>It's good to hear.
18:10<fl0w>So I've got a question. The first page says 2TB transfer for the 1GB Linode (entry level). However my Linode Manager says 450GB monthly transfer? Not that it affects me but I think that's inaccurate information ..
18:10<Yaakov>How was that trip that took you away from my visit?
18:10<@caker>fl0w: it's prorated to the end of the month, just like your invoice was. It will reset on the 1st
18:10<Ikaros>Transfer's prorated.
18:10<Yaakov>fl0w: Pro rata?
18:11<HoopyCat>pror ata
18:11<mwalling>caker is the bar to achieve for "handsome"? that's an easy goal
18:11*mwalling ducks
18:11<Nivex>so I'm just getting caught up from my trip and saw the "BIG things..." tweet. My money's on new datacenter.
18:11<@mikegrb>lulz
18:11<Ikaros>lol >>
18:11<@caker>mwalling: I prefer handsam
18:11<Yaakov>Hey, caker gets the hotties!
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18:11<HoopyCat>(still on phone, waiting for ip phone to format its fs...)
18:11<mwalling>fl0w: (31-27)/31*$PlanSize
18:11<kyhwana>Nivex: doesn't look like SSDs sadly
18:12<Nivex>kyhwana: maybe they're hiding in the supermicro boxes
18:12<mwalling>caker: moran.
18:12<fl0w>Oh... well that makes sense. It even states that. My english failed me.
18:12<mwalling>fl0w: math: the universal language
18:12<kyhwana>Nivex: I doubt it, I know what hides in supermicro boxes :P (unless they're already filled with SSDs)
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18:12<Yaakov>PROOF: https://kovaya.com/p/cakerlina.jpg?ol
18:12<fl0w>450GB != 2TB :) I guess my math failed me as well.
18:13<Ikaros>It'll reset to 2 TB on the 1st.
18:13<Ikaros>:P
18:13<JayN>I've placed some Deny from [IP address] notes in my apache config for my site -- what's the right way to enable this updated configuration file and restart?
18:13<fl0w>Yea, i figured. I honestly thought this was an "old template" issue or whatever .. Thanks. When's the "next big thing"-announcement you guys seem to talk about here?
18:14<@caker>https://www.facebook.com/linode , etc
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18:14<Ikaros>So mysterious
18:14<HoopyCat>looks like it might be a partial shipment of love
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18:14<Nivex>great huge?
18:15<Ikaros>Oh and I think my cell tower I'm bouncing off now died.
18:15<Yaakov>caker: I don't have a Facebook account! :(
18:15<Ikaros>You don't need one.
18:15<Ikaros>It's public
18:15<Nivex>https://twitter.com/linode/status/427152721473708035
18:15<gparent>Ahaha that Brad Pitt picture
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18:15<Yaakov>caker: Nexus!
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18:17<Yaakov>caker: We just ordered a couple of Nexus 3064-X switches. 48 SFP+ 10G ports and four QSPF+ 40G ports.
18:17<Yaakov>Neat stuff.
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18:20<fl0w>I named my vps Meg, so that I can say "shut up meg" when she complains about sudo privileges ...
18:20<@caker>Yaakov: cool :)
18:21<hoylemd>Hey, I'm having some trouble with DNS manager. I added an A record for a subdomain about a week ago, but my server still isn't responding to requests made to that subdomain. Is there anything else I need to do to set up a subdomain apart from the A record?
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18:21<@caker>hoylemd: what is the full record with domain?
18:21<bob2>yes you need to configure your webserver
18:21<hoylemd>Hostname: new, IP Address is my linode IP address
18:21<hoylemd>the whole thing would ne new.michaelhoyle.com
18:22<bob2>you didn't add the A record
18:22<hoylemd>does the hostname need to be the whole thing?
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18:22<bob2>new.michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns1.linode.com.
18:22<kyhwana>hoylemd: pastebin the zonefile?
18:23<hoylemd>IU'm just looking at the DNS manager on my linode manager... I'm not sure where to get the zonefile
18:23<Yaakov>caker: The 3064s seem like something that would be great for your applications.
18:24<bob2>you add an ns record not an record
18:24<fl0w>I'm so excited about the news - only because it's a secret. Big data storage?
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18:25<kyhwana>ah, what bob2 said
18:25<hoylemd>hm, I have an ns record too. ns1.linode.com | new.michaelhoyle.com
18:26<Yaakov>!dig new.michaelhoyle.com
18:26<linbot>Yaakov: [dig] status: SERVFAIL | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
18:26<Yaakov>!dig michaelhoyle.com
18:26<linbot>Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN A 66.175.208.120 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns1.linode.com. michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns4.linode.com. michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns3.linode.com. michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns2.linode.com. michaelhoyle.com. 86400 IN NS ns5.linode.com.
18:27<kyhwana>hoylemd: it's the bit under options that says "zone file"
18:27<gparent>Hopefully Linode will double the RAM
18:27<gparent><_< >_>
18:27<kyhwana>hoylemd: yes, that's bad, get rid of that NS record for "new"
18:28<rnowak>my irssi needs moar coars
18:28<gparent>true
18:28<@caker>moar coars for my cat bolg
18:28<gparent>it should fork per network and I connect to a lot of networks!!!
18:28<hoylemd>kyhwana: http://pastebin.com/FY7W1Yrf
18:29<hoylemd>ok, nuked that ns record
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18:29<Yaakov>To be honest, a big price reduction is about the only enhancement I would want. I am not complaining about the price, but the RAM, CPU, and disk are already enough for *me*>
18:29<kyhwana>hoylemd: now wait for DNS caches to expire
18:29<hoylemd>and then the remaining A record will just sort of take over?
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18:30<kyhwana>hoylemd: hmm, yes. Looks like your TTL was 24 hours, so it could take up to that long for it to go into effect
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18:30<hoylemd>kyhwana: awww nartz
18:30<Yaakov>I think the pricing is fine, though.
18:31<kyhwana>Yaakov: SSD caching at the current price point would be awesome sauce
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18:31<gparent>pricing is fine, I'd just want half as much for half as much.
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18:32<Schroeder>my TTL's usually a day too
18:32<Schroeder>when I need to make changes, then
18:32<Schroeder>I bump it down to an hour
18:32<Schroeder>wait a day
18:32<Schroeder>bump it down to a minute
18:32<Schroeder>wait an hour
18:32<Schroeder>do it
18:32<Yaakov>kyhwana: I can only speak for myself, and for me, the performance is fine. I know some people need (and more people want) more, but I find it really functional as-is.
18:32<@caker>!enter
18:32<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
18:32<Schroeder>then bump it back up to a day
18:32<Perihelion>MAH BITS
18:32<Yaakov>PERLYHELLION
18:32<Perihelion>Hello, sirt
18:32<Perihelion>sir
18:33<Yaakov>I upgraded my node IN PLACE.
18:33<Yaakov>It was awesome.
18:34<Yaakov>I had so much uncommitted disk space I was able to build a new 'node, then mount the old FS.
18:34<Yaakov>I was *going* to buy a temporary node to build a new one, but... you guys are so generous with disk I couldn't keep up.
18:35<Yaakov>So now I have a shiny new OS and a clean config. It's thrilling.
18:35<hoylemd>oh yay! it propagated already!
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18:44<lionmac>is there something wrong with my server configuration. can i do better ?
18:44<lionmac>http://pastebin.com/QSYAdTLE
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18:54<lionmac>?
18:55<danblack>lionmac: use a version of mysql above or equal to 5.5, use innodb not myisam, use innodb bufferes accordingly, understand how a DB works so you can actually evaluate script output with some objectivity
18:57<kyhwana>9/w 13
18:57<kyhwana>bah
18:57<danblack>also your data size is so small it probably all fits in ram anyway.
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18:59<lionmac>its linode 8gb
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18:59<lionmac>any freelancer can help me?
19:00<Perihelion>You might have better luck on the forums
19:01<fl0w>Well .. Ghost platform still has a long way to go
19:03<lionmac>is it hard to follow those instruction?
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19:04<neale>hey gang
19:04<neale>I'm getting a bunch of illegal instruction deaths
19:04<neale>and a ton of this in dmesg:
19:04<neale>[ 0.000000] traps: gpg[8203] trap invalid opcode ip:7f9d737bf32c sp:7fff0bcc04f8 error:0 in libgcrypt.so.20.0.0[7f9d7372f000+d4000]
19:04<kyhwana>O.o
19:05<neale>(the stack pointer varies)
19:05<neale>before I reboot would any linode people like to poke at it?
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19:05<HoopyCat>neale: which distro/version are you running?
19:05<neale>arch linux with the 3.9.3-x86_64-linode33 kernel
19:05<danblack>invalid opcode is normally a binary compiled for some differenent architecture than whats running
19:06<neale>"gpg --help" looks fine
19:06<neale>lots of things are acting flaky. /bin/printf is dying with sigill
19:06<neale>I think it's also weird that the dmesg timestamp is 0.0000000
19:07<HoopyCat>there was a bug with glibc's detection of support for some instruction or another (i forget which one?) awhile back
19:07<HoopyCat>but i'd assume arch, of all distros, should have that fixed by now
19:09<HoopyCat>AVX, i think it was
19:10<fl0w>I'm looking at different continous integration methods from github code. Anyone has some input on how you do it?
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19:10<fl0w>s/code/repos
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19:10<lionmac>how to upgrade the mysql from 5.1 to 5.5?
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19:10<fl0w>lionmac: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/upgrading-from-previous-series.html
19:11<@akerl>fl0w: travisci is pretty great
19:11<HoopyCat>lionmac: if you're using the mysql server that shipped with your distribution, upgrade your distribution to a version that supports mysql 5.5
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19:12<danblack>fl0w: i an vouch for travisci too
19:12<fl0w>akerl: Yea, I was looking at travis - a bit confused about their ssh-key management (because I really dont want my ssh key in the repo).
19:12<HoopyCat>fl0w: for the project i'm building regularly, i'm using a shell script in a while loop. but it's a weird project. (http://hoopycat.com/bladerf_builds/)
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19:13<fl0w>lionmac: Please keep the chat in channel - don't pm me.
19:13<avenj>fl0w: iirc travis setup for a github project is basically "write .travis.yml, enable github hook from your travis account page, push stuff"
19:13<HoopyCat>fl0w: at $DayJob, we're using bamboo, which i'm considering for my next go-around
19:13<mwalling>i want travis in house
19:13<@akerl>fl0w: Wait, why would you put an ssh key in the repo?
19:13<lionmac>any freelancer can help me optimize my linode and speed up my site?
19:13<@akerl>avenj: At the moment, it's "give travisci permission to steal your identity, there is no step 2"
19:14<@akerl>I'm lobbying to change that
19:14<mwalling>HoopyCat: jenkins?
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19:14<@akerl>avenj: citation: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/1390
19:15<fl0w>akerl: hm.. well, how else would I be able to push it? I was thinking it does this through SSH?
19:15<avenj>akerl: ah sweet
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19:15<@akerl>Wait, are you talking about continuous integration, or deployment?
19:15<HoopyCat>mwalling: 'altera', 'quartus', and 'fpga' produce 0 hits when i ctrl-f their plugins list :-)
19:15<mwalling>HoopyCat: meh
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19:16<HoopyCat>mwalling: i'm trying to avoid bamboo for FPGA CI builds at $DayJob because then i'll become the FPGA CI build guy. we've got a bit of a stalemate, unfortunately
19:17<@mikegrb>lulz
19:17<mwalling>LOL
19:17<fl0w>akerl: uhm, I didn't even consider the different until just now - I guess I'm asking questions a bit too early. I'm actually looking at different deploy techniques. Basically, the company I just started working at does thing the filezilla style, I'm evaluating a modern technique.
19:17<Yaakov>FPGA? Is that a Women's golf assoication?
19:17<mwalling>HoopyCat: i brought SVN (then Hg) and Jenkins to $dayJob. Now I'm That Guy
19:18<@akerl>fl0w: Generally speaking, I'd recommend that you use travis for CI, and then have a separate deploy procedure for deploying builds to dev/production environments
19:18<lionmac>i have Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS which mysql goes with it?
19:18<@akerl>lionmac: dpkg -l
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19:18<lionmac>?
19:19<@akerl>??
19:19<lionmac>whats that command?
19:19<@akerl>`man dpkg`
19:19<lionmac>-l?
19:20<lionmac>ah mysql 5.1
19:20<lionmac>what if i want to upgrade to 5.5
19:20<lionmac>do i need to upgrade the ubuntu first?
19:21<danblack>or mariadb https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/
19:21*kyhwana eyes scrollback, hmm
19:21<kyhwana>Oh right, that guy
19:21<@akerl>You either need to go to a release that packages the version you want, find another repo that packages the version you want, or build the version you want yourself
19:21<rnowak>kyhwana: ?
19:21<rnowak>( (: )
19:21<@akerl>Out of curiousity, what feature does 5.5 have that you're interested in?
19:22<kyhwana>rnowak: wondering why people were talking to themselves :)
19:22<imMute>HoopyCat: you're setting up CI builds for an FPGA project too?
19:22<HoopyCat>kyhwana: redacted.pl is a splendid plugin at times
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19:25<HoopyCat>mwalling: we have a working group for this sort of thing, they should be riding this bull :-) i'm more than willing to help, but i have neither the time nor the charge code to head it up. (and apparently i'm not alone)
19:25<HoopyCat>imMute: sure
19:26*imMute 's CI of choice is BuildBot (free, already in place, already know it, no time to learn anything else)
19:26<@akerl>imMute: That's self-hosted, right?
19:26<bob2>heh buildbot's more of a CI toolkit
19:27<Yaakov>I use m4 for word processing and composing email.
19:27<imMute>akerl: if by self hosted you mean it has its own HTTP server, then yes.
19:27<@akerl>imMute: Yea, was contrasting with travis where it's a service
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19:29<CoolMatty>Hey, I am having a strange issue trying to resize one of my nodes
19:29<CoolMatty>I am currently sitting at 24576 size, and I want to step it way back down, as our event is over. However, no matter what size I try, it says there aren't any available. I understand sometimes a specific size isn't available... but all of them???
19:30<HoopyCat>imMute: nice... buildbot sounds plausible for what i'm looking to do... the big problem i have, of course, is that building and testing FPGA images is completely different than anything else out there
19:31<bob2>all CI servers do are "plz run this shell command" and "please check the return value of said shell command"
19:31<kyhwana>CoolMatty: hmm, did you resize your disk image back down? not sure if that matters or not
19:31<bob2>with 500 000 loc of ui and workflow
19:31<rnowak>don't forget the twitter bot
19:31<rnowak>"our build passes! SHIP IT! #rekt #2014"
19:32<kyhwana>CoolMatty: see https://library.linode.com/resizing
19:32<HoopyCat>bob2: nod, it's the UI and workflow that farks it up
19:32<@akerl>bob2: if that's how you look at it, the same is true of pretty much all software
19:32<@akerl>CoolMatty: Probs wanna send in a ticket
19:32<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Doesn't Altera have something
19:32<Yaakov>?
19:32<CoolMatty>kyhwana: the disks: 2 10GB disks, 1 512mb swap, so it should be fine :/
19:32<CoolMatty>akerl: guess I'll do that then!
19:32<kyhwana>ahh
19:33<HoopyCat>Yaakov: not that i've seen
19:33<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Seems odd, doesn't it?
19:33<imMute>HoopyCat: I didn't bother putting each step of the build into a BuildBot step - all the BB does is checkout Git, run the build script, then do stuff with the output .bit
19:33<imMute>HoopyCat: as for testing, yeah... that's going to be extremely application specific.
19:33<HoopyCat>Yaakov: BUT (at least for the bladeRF) i've also got firmware for the FX3 and host libraries and all that
19:34<bob2>jenkins is a lot more clickyclikcy than buildbot if you'd like to not faff quite so much
19:34<bob2>also bamboo is free for open source projects!
19:35<HoopyCat>imMute: yeah, that's what my autobuilder is currently doing... testing doesn't yet happen, but i did just get a nice piece of test equipment yesterday
19:35*HoopyCat can make it go
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19:36<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Have you done any RTL-SDR goop?
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19:37<HoopyCat>Yaakov: i have, but now i have big SDR board
19:38<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I have USRPs about, but I wanted to do some stuff with the cheap stuff.
19:38<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I am getting into the cheap stuff so I can get people into it without the financial barrier to entry.
19:40<Yaakov>We even have a few WARP boards floating around.
19:40<HoopyCat>Yaakov: nod, it's surprisingly capable
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19:42<Yaakov>It's a monster, the PCB layout is quite funky.
19:44<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Have you seen this? http://websdr.org/
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19:46<neale>Well, it was a local problem. Not sure what the dmesg clock problem is.
19:46<neale>local as in, my fault.
19:46<neale>could have been a poorly-compiled library.
19:46<neale>thanks :)
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19:46<HoopyCat>Yaakov: handy... i use the glSDR app once in awhile, but the only-one-user-can-drive-it gets annoying sometimes
19:46<HoopyCat>Yaakov: may have to try this one out as soon as i have some dinner or something
19:47<Yaakov>You have your priorities right!
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20:33<squidvt>Is there an issue with IPv6 in the NJ datacenter?
20:34<@akerl>I'm talking to you via IPv6 in the NJ datacenter
20:34<squidvt>ok thanks.. seems my host is having some ipv6 issues
20:35<@akerl>What kind of issues?
20:35<HoopyCat>IPv6 is working backwards as well as forwards
20:35<squidvt>I'm not able to ping it
20:35<@akerl>What's the IP?
20:36<squidvt>www.codestorm.org
20:36<squidvt>I'm looking in to it
20:36<squidvt>it could be host networking
20:36<Yaakov>!mtr-newark ipv6.he.net
20:36<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] ipv6.he.net: 13 hops, 2600:3c03::8678:acff:fe57: 20.0%/0.8ms, Vlan480.esd2.mmu.nac.net: 20.0%/0.8ms
20:37<kyhwana>hmm
20:37<kyhwana>squidvt: did you change anything?
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20:38<squidvt>nope.. but sometimes it goes it bit wierd for no reason.
20:38<squidvt>like right now it wont assign an IP
20:38<squidvt>and ipv6 ip to the interface
20:38<squidvt>I have some updates that need a reboot anywho.
20:38<Shirik>does anyone know if dallas662 just exploded? I can't even log into lish
20:38<@akerl>squidvt: Pastebin the output of `ip6tables -L -nv`?
20:38<squidvt>I was delaying it for a long time. so Time to reboot
20:38<squidvt>ok one mine
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20:41<squidly_>akerl: not able to get the info
20:41<squidly_>not from the ajax console
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20:42<@akerl>squidly_: Why?
20:42<@akerl>And why not use SSH?
20:42<squidly_>my systems pull IPv6 to start with.
20:42<squidly_>and I'm on windows for a host right now. :(
20:42<@akerl>huh
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20:43<@akerl>SSH to the IPv4 address?
20:43<squidly_>I just did
20:44<squidly_>and damn I hate web chat clients
20:45<squidly_>http://pastebin.com/EYv1g0Up
20:45<@akerl>Ugh UWF
20:45<@akerl>UFW, even
20:45<Yaakov>UGH WWF
20:45<@akerl>squidly_: I'd suggest stopping UFW and flushing your v6 rules
20:46<squidly_>that was the first thing I did
20:46<@akerl>So pastebin the v6 rules you have now?
20:46<squidly_>yes
20:46<squidly_>and I know ufw is a bit messy with the rules
20:47<dwfreed>"a bit" is a giant understatement
20:47<squidly_>heh
20:48<squidly_>it works for the most part
20:48<squidly_>and it's a hell of a lot easier then building them by hand.
20:48<@akerl>Except for now
20:48<squidly_>it's a management issues I'm dealing with here.
20:48<dwfreed>except you don't understand why or how it works, and it becomes a pain in the arse to troubleshoot
20:48<squidly_>akerl: do you see a rule the was breaking my ipv6?
20:48<@akerl>squidly_: I'm not going to get out tracing paper to try to follow that
20:49<squidly_>I don't blame you.
20:49<@akerl>iptables rules are not rocket science, you only really need like 3
20:49<kyhwana>squidly_: so, you flushed all your v6 rules and it works now?
20:49<squidly_>do you have something that's cleaner then UFW but as easy
20:49<@akerl>https://github.com/akerl/archer/tree/master/roles/networking/files
20:49<@akerl>Yes
20:49<squidly_>kyhwana: no it was not working after flushing the ipv6 rules
20:49<kyhwana>(it looks like it does)
20:49<kyhwana>orly
20:49<@akerl>squidly_: Flush the rules and pastebin the new ip6tables-save output?
20:49<squidly_>akerl: those were the after the flush.
20:50<@akerl>...
20:50<kyhwana>...
20:50<squidly_>and I restarted UFW.
20:50<@akerl>Your pastebin was full of ufw bullshit
20:50<squidly_>it was with blank rules as well.
20:50<@akerl>Dude
20:50<@akerl>Stop UFW, flush your ip6tables, then pastebin the rules
20:50<@akerl>The goal is to get UFW out of the way
20:50<squidly_>akerl: it was out of the way!
20:51<@akerl>...
20:51<@akerl>Not in that paste it wasn't
20:51<squidly_>I know how to check clean rules for ip6tables.
20:51<squidly_>that was after I had restarted the UFW.
20:51<kyhwana>No, in that paste it was still in that way
20:51<kyhwana>...
20:51<dwfreed>*STOP* UFW
20:51*squidly_ headdesks.
20:51<@akerl>squidly_: Oh, nevermind
20:51<squidly_>it's working now.
20:52<Schroeder>http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/transparent-mulithop.html <-- could be the answer to my problem
20:52<rnowak>excuse me, but around these parts, the desks are provided by me and I don't remember you paying up your fees
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20:52<@akerl>squidly_: I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that your v6 breaks again in 10 minutes or so
20:52<squidly_>akerl: I know how to admin systems. UFW is just for my personal system and the fact it's good enough for now.
20:52<squidly_>akerl: bets?
20:53<@akerl>"I know how to admin systems"
20:53<rnowak>I know how to astronaut
20:53<kyhwana>How I admin for linux
20:55<squidly_>gee and here I was just asking if there was an issue with IPv6 at the NJ datacenter.
20:55<dwfreed>short answer: no; long answer: see above
20:55<squidly_>I got my answer. I knew where I needed to look. It's not like I dont run about 300 HA servers at work.
20:55<squidly_>oh and yes they are linux.
20:55<rnowak>you're amazing
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20:56<Yaakov>OK, don't be asses, please.
20:56<Yaakov>There's nothing unmanly about using UFW. It can be a problem in some cases, but it doesn't mean someone is incompetent.
20:57<squidly_>Yaakov: exactly. It's about not having the time to write a nice complex tracking rule set for both ipv6 and ipv4 rulesets.
20:57<@akerl>I don't think it means someone is incompetent. I think it makes troubleshooting a pain, because it makes a large number of chains and opinionated firewall decisions
20:57<@akerl>And if/when your v6 goes away in a few minutes, I'd recommend flushing it again and they figuring out how to make your firewall not drop RAs
20:58<Yaakov>akerl: That part's fine. It's the personal stuff that's just not working.
20:59<Yaakov>I am not accusing anyone in particular of anything in particular, it's just so silly to abuse people because they don't use an editor to configure something. There are downsides, and they are real. There are also benefits.
20:59<@akerl>:|
20:59<Yaakov>But none of that means people should dump on each other.
20:59<squidly_>Yaakov: it's like the VI vs Emacs fights.
20:59<Yaakov>squidly_: It's a bit different, really.
21:00<Yaakov>In that case, it's unquivocal that vim is better.
21:00<Yaakov>:)
21:00<squidly_>Yaakov: :)
21:00<squidly_>for coding I much prefer emacs. For quick stuff on a remote server VIM works great for me.
21:00<Yaakov>No, really, it's a thing here, anything that smells like a "control panel" makes you less of a man.
21:00*HedgeMage eyes Yaakov reproachfully.
21:01<rnowak>Yaakov: do you not see how hypocritical you are? :>
21:01<HedgeMage>Yaakov: I'm not a man at all and I'd not touch a control panel :P
21:01<Yaakov>HedgeMage: Even YOU are less of a man if you do it.
21:01<Yaakov>rnowak: How so?
21:01*Nivex jumps behind the firewall to get away from the impending flamewar
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21:01<@mikegrb>lulz
21:01<squidly_>lol Nivex
21:01<@akerl>Nivex: If you let me join you, I have popcorn
21:02<dwfreed>I should go get some popcorn
21:02<Yaakov>HedgeMage: "Man" really needs quotes.
21:02<dwfreed>requires getting up, though
21:02<HedgeMage>Yaakov: I don't care, I was just heckling you because it's fun.
21:02<rnowak>Yaakov: people being allowed to their opinions as long as thei converge with yours, otherwise you'll enter you sainthood and shoot them down
21:02<HedgeMage>Yaakov: Have you *ever* observed me giving a damn about political correctness?
21:02<Yaakov>rnowak: That's crap.
21:02<Yaakov>rnowak: Sorry.
21:02<rnowak>Yaakov: merely an observation, sorry
21:02<Yaakov>HedgeMage: Not that I can recall.
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21:03<Yaakov>rnowak: You are observing someone else, it seems.
21:03<Yaakov>rnowak: Because, in the absence of examples, I have to say it's just plain codswallop.
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21:03<rnowak>perhaps if we're not reading the same things, but otherwise, I'm afraid that isn't the case --
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21:04<Nivex>does UFW do an atomic load via ip(6)tables-restore or does it make individual ip(6)tables calls?
21:04<squidly>rnowak: I was taking Yaakov jokes about VI vs Emacs as a joke. I'
21:04<Yaakov>squidly: No, he's not.
21:04<dwfreed>Nivex: who knows
21:04<Yaakov>squidly: (referring to that).
21:04<dwfreed>Nivex: read the source?
21:04<rnowak>squidly: oh, it isn't related to you, sorry for the confusion
21:04<Nivex>dwfreed: yes, that's the next step. just hoping someone knew of the top of their head
21:04<@akerl>Nivex: I'd hope they do an atomic load, but I fear I might be wrong
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21:04<squidly>rnowak: ok.
21:05<dwfreed>akerl: knowing ubuntu, it's probably not
21:05<Nivex>akerl: the firewall scripts in openwrt don't, and it's bit me every time I've had to do a live reload on the firewall
21:05<squidly>akerl: btw.. ipv6 10+ minutes.
21:05*squidly glares.
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21:08<Yaakov>akerl: Since Fukashima, atomic loads are frowned upon.
21:08<rnowak>speaking of firewalls, nftables ++
21:08<@akerl>rnowak: :>
21:09<jed>I should stop at taco bell and develop an atomic load
21:09<rnowak>loads your size are illegal
21:09<jed>only if you get caught
21:09*akerl waits impatiently for Arch to pull nftables into the core repos
21:09<Yaakov>rnowak: Is nftables stable?
21:09<staticsafe>do you even pf?
21:10<Nivex>I thought "Hmm, maybe I'll give Arch a try." today. I started reading the installation docs. I gave up.
21:10<@akerl>Arch installer is <3
21:10<rnowak>Yaakov: well, time will tell, but I've not seen anything go wrong with it yet
21:10<Nivex>what installer?
21:10<@akerl>whole deal is scriptable, no goofy ncurses crap
21:11<@akerl>I did a debian netinst today, that was pain
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21:11<Nivex>I don't consider pacstrap/debootstrap an installer
21:11<@akerl>Nivex: Then I amend my above to be "Arch install process is <3"
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21:12<rnowak>Yaakov: I like its grammar, it feels more 'real' than iptables' endless command flags, and then the package as a whole provides many things that iptables made very difficult to achieve. It is a bit closer to pf of the bsds, I'd say.
21:12<@akerl>Make your partition/device/LVM layout however you want, drop it on /mnt. Pacstrap your system onto it. Adjust anything inside it you want fixed before reboot. Reboot
21:14<dwfreed>Nivex: looking at the code (which is awful python), some things are atomic, some things aren't; it does a few direct manipulations with iptables/ip6tables, but most things are done with the restore commands
21:14<rnowak>with nftables, I will be able to stop abusing the routing table's blackhole for unwelcome hosts \o/
21:15<Yaakov>Do you have to compile the kernel with it/
21:15<Yaakov>?
21:15<dwfreed>Yaakov: yes
21:15<rnowak>O(1) instead of O(n) time cost for changes in the tables
21:15<Yaakov>Well, I'd imagine I will eventually use it, when it is part of the kernel as a matter of course.
21:15<rnowak>where O(n) sometimes was O(n^m) where m is some large number because they are funny like that
21:15<dwfreed>rnowak: and all calls to nft are atomic!
21:15<rnowak>indeed
21:15<dwfreed>Yaakov: it's in 3.13
21:16<Yaakov>Though I might compile it into something at work...
21:16<Yaakov>dwfreed: OK!
21:16<jed>oooo
21:16<jed>really?
21:16<@akerl>Ye :>
21:16*jed gets excited
21:16<dwfreed>yar
21:16<rnowak>its design is super clever, it is 'merely' a compiler. Modules that actually do things based on the rules live in userspace, so \o/
21:17<dwfreed>aye
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21:17<rnowak>"Pseudo-state machine in kernel-space: the userspace utility nftables interprets the rule-set provided by the user (using a new syntax), it compiles it into the pseudo-state machine bytecode and then it transfers it to the kernel via the nftables Netlink's API."
21:17<rnowak>how cool isn't that
21:18<Perihelion>nerds
21:18<rnowak>nou, my dear
21:19<Perihelion>No I can assure you that is MOST untrue
21:19<Yaakov>Perihelion: Am I a nerd?
21:20<Yaakov>*crickets*
21:20<Nivex>http://www.arrogantworms.com/music/great-to-be-a-nerd/
21:20<Perihelion>Yaakov: Yes
21:20<Perihelion>As is Nivex
21:20<staticsafe>https://lwn.net/Articles/564095/ good read on nftables
21:20<Perihelion>I love him even though he likes IPv6
21:21<Perihelion>Which is basically like loving papercuts
21:21<staticsafe>a whole /64 of papercuts
21:21<rnowak>papercuts are here to stay, though, IPv6 on the other hand?
21:21<Nivex>If you want pain, go roll some DNSSEC.
21:21<Perihelion>Bro I'm a Gentoo user
21:21<Perihelion>Don't talk to me about pain
21:22<rnowak>Bro is sexist, Perihelion, didn't you read HN? for shame
21:22<squidly>Nivex: DNSSEC is not that bad once you have your scripts built. :)
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21:22<Nivex>that's true of most things
21:22<staticsafe>or use BIND's auto-dnssec maintain + inline-signign
21:22<Perihelion>rnowak: Sorry, what's the PC term now?
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21:23<Yaakov>Perihelion: Really... a nerd?
21:23<rnowak>Perihelion: oh uh, meanwhile we come up with something, you're welcome to use the swedish 'hen'
21:23<Kevin_>hey, does anyone know what kind of servers linode (spec wise) uses for their VPS servers?
21:23<Perihelion>Yaakov: Do you own a pocket protector?
21:23<Yaakov>Perihelion: No, I don't.
21:23<Nivex>I'll sign my zones with DNSSEC once we get 100% IPv6 deployment.
21:23<Perihelion>Nivex: So never then :(
21:23<Nivex>Perihelion: *ding*
21:23<rnowak>Yaakov: how about a fanny pack?
21:23<EugeneKay>So my kernel runs Java now :v
21:24<EugeneKay>Yay nftables!
21:24<Kevin_>how would I find out if I wanted to?
21:24<Yaakov>rnowak: No, though I do have a messenger bag.
21:24<rnowak>messenger bags are fine
21:24<Perihelion>Nivex: All jokes aside, it really is moving at the speed of snail which is worrying. (I'm in favor until you show up and then it's a fad, of course)
21:24<Nivex>“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.”
21:24<Nivex>I may not live to see it, but I'm gonna try anyway.
21:24<KyleXY>Kevin_: cat /proc/cpuinfo heh
21:25<Perihelion>Kevin_: Linode doesn't release hardware specs but you can get some info from what KyleXY said
21:25<KyleXY>that and that fancy thing processors have
21:25<Yaakov>Perihelion: What is your definition of "nerd"?
21:25<KyleXY>what's it called..
21:25<Perihelion>Yaakov: See: "Yaakov"
21:25<Kevin_>thanks!
21:25<Yaakov>That's question begging, dear.
21:26<Perihelion><3
21:26<Yaakov>I don't know... I mean... I can't see me as a nerd.
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21:28<Nivex>hahaha! http://craphound.com/images/ScreenShot2012-07-03at12.50.32.png.gif
21:28<@mikegrb>lulz
21:28<Perihelion>Lol
21:28<rnowak>cute
21:29<Nivex>http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/
21:29*Perihelion slaps mikegrb around a bit with a large cactus
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21:29<Perihelion>If I turn off ipv4 100% of my traffic will disappear
21:29<rnowak>Nivex: damnit, don't do that, no internets for me
21:29<mwalling>Nivex: HAHAHAHAHA
21:29<Perihelion>When did Lord Walling start gracing us with his presence again?
21:29<Nivex>I'm thinking I'll pull the v4 address off my linode for that 24 hour period and see who of my users scream
21:29<Nivex>it's not like they haven't been hearing me preach about it for the last 4 years.
21:30<Perihelion>You mean you know people that use ipv4?
21:30<Perihelion>I'm SHOCKED
21:30<rnowak>but more importantly, have their ISPs heard you?
21:30<Nivex>Perihelion: yes I still have some friends that don't have tunnels. I need to fix that soon.
21:31<Perihelion>Haha
21:31<rnowak>besides my casual doom saying for ipv6, when I phoned and asked my ISP about it, I got told I'm welcome to switch to an ISP that provides it here
21:31<rnowak>(hint: none do)
21:31<mwalling>https://twitter.com/mwalling/status/427992141106020352
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21:32<Nivex>mwalling: let me know if you get an answer
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21:33<Nivex>I had a nice chat with someone at TWC over on G+ some months ago about my experience dealing with TWCBC sales droids.
21:33<avenj>after some previous v6 day thing my ISP sent out some notice that they're absolutely positively going to bring everyone ipv6
21:33<avenj>... by 2016
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21:33<rnowak>avenj: so you'll have it by 2024
21:33<Yaakov>http://www.merriam-webster.com/quiz/index.htm
21:33<Nivex>avenj: While that's slower than I'd like, at least it's a timeline.
21:33<@akerl>Heh. Comcast gives out v6 here, but without static prefixes. Ended up just doing the HE tunnel thing, much easier
21:33<avenj>rnowak: optimist
21:34<Nivex>Centurylink is supposedly doing 6rd now. AT&T Uverse does it only on select modems.
21:34<Yaakov>akerl: I was going to do the IPv6 beta with Comcast until I read the T&C.
21:35<KamiNuvini>Anyone here use bind 9.9 with DNSSEC? first time doing that.. still having some difficulties.. I got it running and signed the zone and it shows as signed with dig @localhost - what I want to know is how to update the zone. Do I manually edit the zonefile? Or should I edit the .signed file? What about the SOA serial? I see it incrementing in the logs like when I restart/reload the config, but
21:35<Yaakov>akerl: That was a while ago, before they had it in production.
21:35<KamiNuvini>it's not changing in the actual zone or .signed file. Should I not manually increment at all?
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21:40<gparent>You use nsupdate
21:40<gparent>Though I'm sure there are other ways
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21:41<staticsafe>you don't need nsupdate if you are using inline-signing
21:41<gparent>Right, I just find it convenient
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21:42<KamiNuvini>yeah I thought I could use inline-signing >9.7
21:44<KamiNuvini>basically what I tried was..edit the zonefile, set the soa serial higher, add a record, then I did rndc sign & rndc loadkeys - the syslog says it loaded with the new soa serial but when I dig directly to @localhost it doesn't give me a response
21:45<staticsafe>can you post your config stanza for that zone?
21:49<KamiNuvini>http://pastebin.com/YJqj36Lz
21:50<KamiNuvini>I'm following http://dnssec.nl/cases/tweeluik-dnssec-en-bind-deel-ii-sleutelbeheer.html (dutch)
21:50<staticsafe>er
21:51<staticsafe>https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00626/0/Inline-Signing-in-ISC-BIND-9.9.0-Examples.html
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21:53<staticsafe>you don't need to - rndc sign & rndc loadkeys - when you are using auto-dnssec maintain
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21:55<KamiNuvini>well how do I update the zone file? edit/add/remove records? the thing you linked says There is no need to configure example.com as a dynamic zone; there are no 'update-policy' or 'allow-update' statements in the above zone options. The "example.com.db" file is never modified by this process. --- so what should I do instead if I want to edit?
21:55<dwfreed>you need to reload the zone
21:55<staticsafe>you edit the original unsigned zone file and reload the zone
21:56<dwfreed>rndc reload example.com.
21:56<dwfreed>also if your zone is public facing, you can use dnsviz to make sure you set everything up right
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21:58<KamiNuvini>right now it's just testing to see if I can get it working at all and update existing zones etc.. after that I want it as a slave zone in Linode for the dnssec
21:59<KamiNuvini>so basically.. I edit the zone (not the .signed) -increment soa serial, change what I want and do rndc reload domain
21:59<KamiNuvini>and that should be it? if I dig @localhost after that it should work ?
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22:03<KamiNuvini>after I do that it doesn't show the updates, soa stays the same as well. If I try sign it does increment the soa but doesn't have the new record I'm trying it with so it seems like it's not actually re-reading/loading the original zone file (or the auto-sign bit doesn't read it and write changes to the .signed that bind actually reads)
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22:13<dwfreed>KamiNuvini: did you flush and drop the journal?
22:15<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
22:15<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 6.8F/-14C, visibility 10 miles, wind 16.11 mph, chill -11.27F (altimeter: 30.08) [KROC 280254Z 25014G20KT 10SM BKN060 M14/M22 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP200 T11391222 51020]
22:16*HoopyCat puts on shoes before going outside
22:16<KamiNuvini>dwfreed: if you mean rndc flush - just tried, no effect sadly
22:17<dwfreed>KamiNuvini: flush, make changes, reload
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22:19<KamiNuvini>no luck, dwfreed
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22:26<karstensrage>are the load balancers capable of using the private network?
22:27<@akerl>NodeBalancers?
22:27<@akerl>They talk to your backends solely on the private network
22:27<HoopyCat>there is no private network; there is only cloud
22:27<karstensrage>akerl, ah thanks
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22:37<KamiNuvini>well dwfreed - it works if I run dnssec-signzone again and reload after that.. not sure if that's the intended way with inline signing and all
22:37<dwfreed>with inline signing, you should be using nsupdate
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22:43<Schroeder>karstensrage: @
22:43<Schroeder>!wx KEVV
22:43<linbot>Schroeder: [metar] OBS at KEVV: 10.4F/-12C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph, chill -3.30F (altimeter: 30.46) [KEVV 280254Z 36009KT 10SM CLR M12/M21 A3046 RMK AO2 SLP324 T11171206 51019]
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22:43<karstensrage>Schroeder?
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22:44<Schroeder>karstensrage: it's the high holy sacred symbol of the information cyber Internet superhighway
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22:44<Schroeder>everyone in cyberspace recognizes and venerates it
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23:06<James_T>i might disable two-factor
23:06<James_T>no point having it :p
23:09<EugeneKay>I did.
23:09<James_T>EugeneKay: disable it?
23:09<James_T>:P
23:09<EugeneKay>Yes.
23:09<James_T>yeah
23:10<EugeneKay>If 'they" get my Linode password I'm already boned, because they've MITMed SSL.
23:10<EugeneKay>Or vir0sed my laptop
23:10<James_T>XD
23:10<James_T>yeah
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23:10<James_T>app doesn't need two-factor
23:10<James_T>nor does api
23:11<bob2>or a linode db backup
23:12<bob2>or shoulder surfed you
23:12<Schroeder>EugeneKay: @
23:12<EugeneKay>Or cracked my KeePass DB
23:12<Schroeder>CRAZY MUTHA FUCKA NAMED ICE CUBE!
23:13<James_T>Or Schroeder got in
23:13<James_T>cos Schroeder is Schroeder
23:13<EugeneKay>Though I'm really tempted to incorrectly capitalize that one.
23:13<James_T>:P
23:13<James_T>EugeneKay: haha
23:13<EugeneKay>Keep your passwords in the Butt
23:15<array>i'm convinced Schroeder is a bot.
23:15<James_T>EugeneKay: I keep passwords in the Butt
23:16<Schroeder>how does Schroeder is a bot make you feel?
23:16<EugeneKay>In my butt?
23:16<James_T>EugeneKay: Nah
23:16<James_T>Not yours
23:17<Schroeder>"crazy mutha fucka named ice cube" would be an awesome monster type in a roguelike, actually
23:17<Schroeder>its character would be 'C'
23:17<Schroeder>for Straight Outta Compton, of course
23:17<James_T>!wx YWLM
23:17<linbot>James_T: [metar] OBS at YWLM: 82.4F/28C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 19.56 mph, chill 86.11F (altimeter: 30.061522694) [YWLM 280400Z 06017KT CAVOK 28/15 Q1018 NOSIG]
23:17<Schroeder>!wx YYYZ
23:17<linbot>Schroeder: [metar] YYYZ: not found
23:17<Schroeder>!wx CYYZ
23:17<linbot>Schroeder: [metar] OBS at CYYZ: 1.4F/-17C, visibility 15 miles, wind 19.56 mph, chill -19.96F (altimeter: 30.08) [CYYZ 280400Z 26017G23KT 15SM DRSN FEW070 M17/M23 A3008 RMK AC1 SLP200]
23:17<Schroeder>right
23:17<Schroeder>!wx YSSY
23:17<James_T>that helps
23:17<linbot>Schroeder: [metar] OBS at YSSY: 82.4F/28C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 28.77 mph, chill 86.05F (altimeter: 30.061522694) [YSSY 280400Z 05025KT CAVOK 28/14 Q1018 NOSIG]
23:17<James_T>yes, sydney
23:17<Ikaros>!wx KDFW
23:17<linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 26.6F/-03C, visibility 10 miles, wind 19.56 mph, chill 13.04F (altimeter: 30.31) [KDFW 280353Z 03017KT 10SM OVC150 M03/M19 A3031 RMK AO2 PK WND 02026/0330 SLP268 T10281194]
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