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#linode IRC Logs for 2014-03-21

---Logopened Fri Mar 21 00:00:00 2014
---Daychanged Fri Mar 21 2014
00:00<jed>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_fACL2pXA
00:00<tacohat>a bit of both ;)
00:00<tacohat>in my defense, it's actually my wife's fault. she tried logging into a client's website too many times, which triggered the fail2ban rule that she *should* have known about.
00:01<Ikaros>Hahaha
00:01<Ikaros>Yep, that right there IS funny.
00:01<tacohat>haha, yeah
00:01<tacohat>i'm just kidding
00:01<tacohat>she had a good laugh at my expense
00:01<Ikaros>Heh
00:01<tacohat>she thought it was pretty funny i told y'all about it, too
00:01<Ikaros>Trying not to picture it tbh
00:03<Ikaros>Surprising I still have the energy for humor.
00:03<tacohat>long day?
00:03<Ikaros>Given all the wiki editing I just did (on a different site). Hands hurt.
00:04<tacohat>ahh. get off the infernal machine, then. speaking of which, i must go...
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00:10<linbot>New news from forum: Is it just me, or is the Linode backup service about useless in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10048&p=62940#p62940>
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01:23<gobleboble>im trying to add a user to a group in centos 6 but the user isn't able to upload files to the specific folder ive set the user up under.
01:24<gobleboble>ive used command usermod -a -G nginx user
01:28<tacohat>gobleboble: upload with what? and what are the perms in the directory?
01:33<gobleboble>sorry im back
01:33<gobleboble>i have added a specific user to a folder of my main site
01:33<gobleboble>but the owner and group for that folder and all files under it are set to nginx
01:34<gobleboble>so when i try to upload a file or folder to the said directory, i get permissions denied
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01:34<gobleboble>ive tried to add the specific user to the nginx group but it isnt doing anything or allowing me permissions to edit files or upload files to the directory
01:36<gobleboble>and i am logging into ftp with the specific user i setup to upload files to the folder
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01:55<tacohat>gobleboble: ftp or sftp?
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01:56<gobleboble>ftp
02:06<nate>why people still use FTP :(
02:06<dwfreed>!ftp
02:06<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp
02:08<tacohat>yeah, don't use ftp. at all.
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02:15<gobleboble>it doesnt work with sftp either
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02:18<linbot>New news from forum: Is it just me, or is the Linode backup service about useless in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10048&p=62941#p62941>
02:18<dwfreed>gobleboble: pastebin the output of 'namei -l /path/to/whatever/folder' and 'id user'; /path/to/whatever/folder should be the folder you're trying to store files in, and user should be the user you're logging in as over SFTP to do it
02:19<ULN>Hi guys, how long should your apache processes be running before they are recycled??
02:20<dwfreed>ULN: that depends on your needs; what I need and what you need are usually different
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02:22<ULN>I was just worried, because I have a lot of processes that are like a few seconds old
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02:27<dwfreed>seconds is perfectly fine
02:27<dwfreed>a lot of churn is going to cause undue system load, due to the need to spin up a new process to take the place of the old one, which is a rather expensive operation (especially if PHP is involved)
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02:40<ULN>I have set MaxRequestsPerChild to 0, but they still recycle
02:40<ULN>is that normal?
02:50<dwfreed>check the docs?
02:50<dwfreed>and setting that to 0 is a bad idea
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02:57<ULN>Do you mean the logs? They don't imply anything is wrong
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04:26<packer>hi there
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06:00<ULN>Hey guys, does anyone know how to uninstall a package that I "accidentially" removed a few files from, because when I do "apt-get remove memcached" the console gets unresponsive
06:00<ULN>Or better yet, how to reinstall memcached
06:01<AlexC_>ULN: apt-get install --reinstall memcached
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06:03<ULN>AlexC_: Thanks a lot, trying it out
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06:08<ULN>My console times out... any idea as to what could be going wrong?
06:12<ULN>woaw... my bad... was using WinSCP and it does not accept commands..
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06:32<ULN>So I reinstalled memcached using apt-get, but I don't get any file in /etc/init.d/ - any clues as to why this is?
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08:28<linbot>New news from forum: New to Linode, suggestions for an email solution in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10912&p=62942#p62942>
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09:17<JamesT>github is down --again---
09:17<JamesT>meh @ DDoS
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09:21<Lord>hi
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09:22<Lord>I have some questions
09:22<Lord>Can someone help me?
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09:22<@akerl>Only if you ask them :)
09:22*Lord slaps jottinger around a bit with a large fishbot
09:23<Lord>I need 2 machines
09:23<Lord>Can I try in tirial?
09:23<Lord>trial
09:23<JamesT>Lord: no, trial was discontinued
09:23<Lord>ok
09:23<Lord>next
09:24<Lord>I want 2 machines in two different datacenters
09:24<Lord>How can I do it?
09:24<Lord>I need guid
09:24<JamesT>yup, you can chose where to put your linodes
09:24<@akerl>When you add each Linode, pick the DC you want for it
09:25<Lord>https://manager.linode.com/account/signup
09:25<Lord>There it is ?
09:25<Lord>I don't see list with DC
09:25<@akerl>https://manager.linode.com/signup/
09:26<@akerl>You sign up, and then you pick where you want to put your Linode
09:26<@akerl>When you add other Linodes, you pick where to put them
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09:30<Lord>What is billing place?
09:30<Lord>no
09:30<Lord>billing adress
09:30<@akerl>? It's your billing address?
09:31<Lord>I live in Moscow Dolgoprydnii and so on?
09:31<Lord>yes
09:32<Lord>billing address
09:32<@akerl>You put the address you gave to your credit card company
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09:35<Lord>And If I have card free
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09:40<Lord>Can I pay for virtual card?
09:40<Lord>webmoney for example
09:41<@akerl>You can pay with Visa, Mastercard, Amex, or Discover
09:42<Lord>I have election card visa
09:42<JamesT>that will work
09:42<Lord>Billing address
09:42<Lord>what is it?
09:43<JamesT>your home address i guess
09:43<@akerl>The place where you live
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09:43<JamesT>:)
09:43<AlexC_>And don't ask us what that is
09:44<AlexC_>It'll only scare you when I tell you =3
09:49<sandeep>virtual cc provided by my bank works fine with linode
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10:02<linbot>New news from forum: Is it just me, or is the Linode backup service about useless in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10048&p=62943#p62943>
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10:07<JamesT>sandeep: yeah, they're proper visa/mastercard, just online only
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11:05<TecnoBrat>my understanding is that linode has a custom kernel to support docker .. did you guys contribute the changes back upstream?
11:05<@akerl>We do not have a custom kernel to support docker
11:06<rnowak>there is no kernel ~
11:06<hawk>the kernel is a lie
11:06<@akerl>Previously, Docker required a kernel with the AUFS patches applied. They removed that restriction, allowing Docker to run on a vanilla kernel. We flipped the remaining couple of kernel bits, mostly dealing with cgroups/bridging/vlans, to allow Docker to run on the kernel we ship
11:06<+buhman>TecnoBrat: upstream already has all the needful
11:07<TecnoBrat>akerl: awesome, appreciate the clarity.
11:07<TecnoBrat>"we’ve released a new kernel (3.12.6) with adjustments to match this" .. wasn't clear, sounded like you needed to tweak it .. but config bits makes sense
11:08<TecnoBrat>I just had a friend say hes stuck with kvm to use docker, since i knew it worked here, I was wondering :)
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11:21<Eugene>Am I the only person who thinks Linode supports pants
11:21<Eugene>I mean, they could have picked a more unique brand name.
11:22*dzho pet peeves over "more unique"
11:24<Eugene>It's unique within its segment, but not within the superset of all markets. So yes, more unique.
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12:06<chipotle>akerl: you around?
12:07<chipotle>so what happens if i have another user that wants to edit files in var/www? before i just added him to the www-data group, but since you said that's a horrible idea, now all files are owned by my user account...
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12:27<ghosticus>why would other users edit your files?
12:31<@akerl>chipotle: Make a "editorpeople" group, make the directory and files owned by that group, and then make them group-writable
12:31<@akerl>and then add yourself and the other bro to that group
12:32<Nivex>http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110616132853/questionablecontent/images/c/cb/Bros.jpg
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12:33<chipotle>akerl: okay, thanks!
12:33<rymate1234>hey just a question
12:34<rymate1234>what do these gaps mean in my cpu usage graph? http://i.imgur.com/XcLdkD8.png
12:41<Woet>that it didn't get logged
12:41<Woet>e.g. reboots or other problems that affected whatever logs the data
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12:44<MajObviousman>chipotle: this is a pretty comprehensive walkthrough of how to accomplish what you're asking
12:44<MajObviousman>chipotle: http://brunogirin.blogspot.com/2010/03/shared-folders-in-ubuntu-with-setgid.html
12:44<chipotle>MajObviousman: thanks!!
12:44<MajObviousman>you're welcome
12:44*MajObviousman has run into your issue many times
12:45<MajObviousman>time to learn about ACLs!
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14:19<Netsotov>does linode accept prepaid visa cards?
14:21<ghosticus>Probably?
14:22<Netsotov>it requires me to put €200 on the card before ill find out ..
14:22<Netsotov>risky ;)
14:23<sandeep>you don't get it back if its unused?
14:23<Netsotov>you can get from atm but it costs some money too
14:24<Netsotov>guess it's worth the €5 to try
14:25<Netsotov>really need my linode back
14:25<rnowak>what I've seen, the prepaid cards don't behave any differently from the "real" when used as debit cards
14:26<Netsotov>yeah i read somewhere as long as its a visa linode accepts it just wanted make sure
14:27<Netsotov>to bad no wire transfer is possible yet
14:27<rnowak>there's a lot of risk and fraud involved with wire/bank transfers, and afaik they're practically unheard of in the US
14:28<Netsotov>abn amro is well established in america tho
14:29<Netsotov>im not from kenya or yemen ;)
14:29<ghosticus>are you a nigerian prince?
14:29<Netsotov>hahaha no just simple dutch
14:30<Netsotov>i will tru
14:30<Netsotov>try the visa card thx
14:30<rnowak>that's what any nigerian prince would say, you're not fooling us
14:31<Netsotov>im not asking to help me with moving 100.000.000 from my uncle :p
14:31<ghosticus>i'd kindly offer to help
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14:52<Nightmare>I've used prepaid cards with my Linode account before and they worked fine.
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15:00<@qmr>Netsotov: if it has a visa or mc logo it will most likely work fine
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16:23<Tea>Great. Owncloud wants to use 100% of all 8 of my cores
16:27<dwfreed>heh
16:28<draoidh>pwncloud! ;)
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17:01<Eugene>Coincloud
17:02<ghosticus>dogecloud
17:04<linbot>New news from forum: Is it just me, or is the Linode backup service about useless in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10048&p=62944#p62944>
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17:08<Eugene>rnowak - except for every utility company ever
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17:27<atl2020320320>Anyone experiencing packet loss at ATL2?
17:29<Peng>atl...2?
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17:29<ghosticus>two hotlantas?
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18:44<breitling>hello
18:45<Peng>hi
18:47<breitling>hey had a question about using Linode and domain names...
18:47<Peng>What is it?
18:47<HedgeMage>42
18:48<Peng>:D
18:49<breitling>I'm thinking I need to supply my own domain name so I need an web hosting solution along with linode
18:50<HedgeMage>breitling: You only need a domain *registrar* to register a domain name. Linode has DNS service and you can host your web site on your Linode.
18:50<breitling>seems cheaper to get a free domain name from someone than getting one registered, maybe I missed something...
18:51<dwfreed>acutal domain names (like linode.com, for example) aren't free
18:51<HedgeMage>what dwfreed said.
18:51<dwfreed>except .tk domains, perhaps, but not very many people take them seriously, so keep that in mind
18:51<Peng>And if someone is giving you something that costs money for free, you should figure out what their angle is before going for it.
18:52<breitling>I mean get a web hosting contract for $3/month that offers a free domain name...
18:52<Peng>$3/month * 1 year = $36
18:52<Peng>Domain name from a real registrar: $10
18:52<waltman>I assume you saw that Marco Arment was dissing Linode earlier this afternoon, but if not... https://twitter.com/marcoarment
18:52<HedgeMage>waltman: why would we care?
18:52<Peng>who's that
18:53<HedgeMage>breitling: As Peng pointed out, it's more cost effective to just register a domain name.
18:53<heckman>He's an Analyst...
18:53<HedgeMage>heckman: That...doesn't say much.
18:53<waltman>mac blogger and podcaster
18:53<Peng>heckman: :D
18:53<heckman>He analyzes...says everything
18:53<breitling>ok thanks for the info let me run the numbers again...thanks
18:54<waltman>Popular Mac guy with 66.5K followers?
18:54<HedgeMage>waltman: Still waiting for the part where I care.
18:54<waltman>kind of full of himself if you ask me, but he's got a following.
18:54*HedgeMage hasn't even used a Mac except...almost never.
18:55<Peng>He doesn't seem to notice that Linode runs dual-CPU systems.
18:55<waltman>That was directed at the linode employees who are on the channel. If you don't care, feel free to ignore it.
18:55<devilspgd>Nothing wrong with a hosting company that throws in the domain free, as long as they list you as the owner. If you're not listed at the owner, it's their domain and at best, you can hope they let you use it for a while.
18:56<Peng>breitling: ^
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20:52*Eugene squeezes the HedgeMage
20:53*HedgeMage squeezes back.
20:54<HedgeMage>Eugene: How goes?
20:54<Eugene>It goes to South Carolina for two weeks, leaving Sunday.
20:54<Eugene>Yay, work! Also, ugh, work.
20:54<@mikegrb>lulz
20:54<HedgeMage>lol
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21:59<linbot>New news from forum: New to Linode, suggestions for an email solution in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10912&p=62945#p62945>
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22:31<sdfds>chipotle
22:31<sdfds>huh
22:31<sdfds>u aint sephiroth ru
22:32<chipotle>hey
22:32<chipotle>no
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22:35<sdfds>yo
22:35<sdfds>anyone remember
22:35<sdfds>at linode
22:35<sdfds>bob ross
22:35<sdfds>on the bored
22:35<sdfds>with some random fags
22:35<sdfds>name
22:35<sdfds>crakers
22:35<sdfds>written next 2 it
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22:40<Nivex>!cr
22:40<Nivex>!enter
22:40<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
22:41<@mikegrb>lulz
22:41<\r\n>lol
22:41<\r\n>less of me
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23:48<bobbyj>hello i am having an issue installing my ssl. ive generated the key, submitted it to comondo and got my zip. filled out the specific ssl options for nginx and when i go to restart nginx i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/c5eFQNqG
23:49<bobbyj>any help would be greatly appreciated
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23:51<Peng>um, that looks badly wrong
23:52<Peng>Nginx is saying that the certificate file, /etc/nginx/ssl/server.crt, does not exist.
23:54<bobbyj>could it be that i might not have the correct ssl packages installed?
23:54<Peng>No.
23:54<kyhwana_>bobbyj: does /etc/nginx/ssl/server.crt exist?
23:54<Peng>As for those other two errors... Something has cd'd to a directory that doesn't exist. I don't understand at all.
23:55<Peng>Perhaps /etc/nginx/ssl doesn't exist and it's trying to do something with it.
23:56<bobbyj>wow
23:56<bobbyj>total mistake on my part the directory exists but i over looked the .crt part
23:57<bobbyj>and infact did not have the .crt file correctly named
23:57<bobbyj>sorry
23:59<bobbyj>now i restarted nginx and it says ok
23:59<bobbyj>but now i cant load https://www.mysite.com
23:59<kyhwana_>bobbyj: that's OK, neither can I..
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