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---Logopened Thu May 01 00:00:52 2014
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00:13<James>phuh: you should be able to just add an ifup under that block
00:13<James>ifup ip addr add dev eth0 blah blah
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00:20<astronut>is it possible to reopen a support case, or do i just have to open a new one and refer to the closed case?
00:20<astronut>wblew: ping
00:21<James>new ticket
00:21<James>and refer to the closed one
00:21<SnoFox>I are good at IRC
00:21<James>I are IRC at good
00:21*lakridserne mumbles morning
00:21*James morning mumbles
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00:22<SnoFox>A little dyslexic, James is?
00:22<astronut>oh wait, it's actually fine
00:25<dcraig>so a Linode 2 GB now costs about $21.60 a month instead of $20?
00:26<dcraig>feels like a $1.60/mo price increase
00:26<lakridserne>dcraig: No
00:26<lakridserne>dcraig: They have a monthly cap
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00:26<dcraig>not on my invoice, they don't
00:26<ttech>dcraig: I just got my bill, its still $20.00
00:26<dcraig>got charged $21.63
00:26<ttech>Extra IP address?
00:26<James>dcraig: did you clone to upgrade?
00:27<dcraig>not sure where they got that extra hour from
00:27<dcraig>I'm not counting the extra IP
00:27<dcraig>and no cloning
00:27<James>ask for a $1.63 refund
00:28<dcraig>I bet the "upgrade" from 1024 to 2048 messed it up
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00:28<lakridserne>I actually don't have any Linodes that I kept during the whole month. I've switched around quite a bit
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00:28<buhman>moar linodes
00:28<dcraig>since neither the pre-upgrade nor the post-upgrade linode hit the cap independently
00:29<lakridserne>But total this month $141.26
00:31<zifnab>hey i was about to come ask about this
00:31<zifnab>however, ticket is probably the best way to fix a billing issue?
00:33<SleePy>Only if you don't want to reveal your credit card and other personal information on a public logged chat room
00:34<lakridserne>BTW Linode have redesigned its invoice email
00:35<Neal>not for me :(
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00:36<franc>jus a question: does linode charges extra money for any service o storage use, such us a LAMP configuration?
00:37<lakridserne>franc: Linodes are unmanaged unless you have the managed add-on. You get the amount of storage that is in the package
00:39<uxfi>dozn: hiiiiiiiii
00:39<James>Can I opt out of html emails
00:39<James>X-Mailer: ColdFusion 10 Application Server
00:39<astronut>James: mine was plain text today
00:39<franc>thanks lakridserne, i received an invoice showing a charge of $0.91 for 32 hour use. why?
00:39<astronut>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
00:39<James>astronut: mine wasn't, the css isn't even minified
00:40<Neal>lakridserne: mine was the same plain text one :/
00:40<James>eh, the email came both as plain text AND html
00:40<Neal>maybe this is for hourly only?
00:41<lakridserne>franc: Probably because you had a Linode 2048 in 32 hours that were charged at $0.03/hour?
00:41<astronut>i had no html in my email, i checked the source
00:41<lakridserne>I'm on hourly since the beta
00:41<lakridserne>so it can be
00:42<@caker>prepay customers get the old plain text invoices. metered customers get the fancy html & text invoice emails
00:42<franc>i bought the $20 plan
00:42<franc>the linode 2GB plan
00:43*astronut needs to upgrade to a 64 bit kernel to get the new upgrade
00:43<lakridserne>franc: Then it's because you only used it for 32 hours and are on metered billing. They charge it at $0.03/hour and if you go up on 667 hours then the monthly cap goes into effect
00:43<lakridserne>so the price is $20
00:44*lakridserne have $0.37 in owed outstanding services - new invoice period
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00:48<franc>i understand now. so at the beginning one is on metered billing, and then they charge monthly? sorry for the doubts, hehe
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00:51<James>caker: i need to teach my email client to only display plain text from linode then
00:51<James>(being able to toggle would be nice)
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01:03<dcraig>people still complain about html emails? omg what century is this
01:05<scorche>56k warning
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01:10<Ikaros><dcraig> people still complain about html emails? omg what century is this <-- I think it's more a fear thing. They hear about all these 'email viruses' and such.
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01:14<acald3ron>What about the yearly discounts ?
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01:17<James>not on monthly plans
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01:35<Vijay>I am planning for a Linode Linode 48GB
01:35<Vijay>i wanted to know if its pay per usage model or flat monthly price
01:36<James>charged per hour with a montly cap
01:36<James>you get billed at the end of the month
01:37<Vijay>ok, if i dont use and powerdown the server, is it still charged ?
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01:38<Vijay>ok, is there any pay per usage mode ?
01:38<James>as long as your linode is using resources
01:38<jose>i'm having a problem with returning a snapshot
01:38<James>you'll be charged
01:38<James>jose: ticket?
01:38<jose>I've not openned a ticket yet
01:38<jose>but it is a simple question really
01:38<James>you need free space on your linode
01:39<jose>I've taken a snapshot of my disk before performing a maintenance that have gone wrong
01:39<James>need to shrink the disk image
01:39<jose>so how can I free the space of it?
01:39<jose>but the snapshot is almost the same size as the disk image I think
01:40<James>you can make a new linode or delete the image
01:40<jose>so I will need to delete the image before returning a backup
01:43<jose>don't I risk losing everything?
01:43<James>adding a new linode and checkign ewverything isd still there is bettrer
01:44<Vijay>Can i have CentOS 5.10 32bit OS ?
01:45<jose>How much would it cost me to have a linode for a day?
01:45<James>Vijay: new servers are 64-bit only
01:45<James>jose: you on the old monthly plan?
01:46<James>divide the amount by the number of days
01:46<jose>ok, thanks
01:47<Vijay>ok, and it will a virtual machine with SSD right ?
01:47<jose>How much time would it take to create a new linode based on the snapshot?
01:47<James>not too long
01:48<James>Vijay: yep
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01:48<Vijay>can i buy 200 GB storage and map it to different linodes ? , i mean i will buy the linode system and map the storage which helps to avoid uploading multiple times
01:49<Vijay>will it be charged only to 200GB storage and instances as a pay per usage
01:50<jose>James, just to be sure, you will be charging me one day only, if I delete that tomorrow, right?
01:50<sirpengi>Vijay: no, your linodes come with their assigned storage allocation
01:51<sirpengi>Vijay: there are extras so you can buy more storage, but it's a better deal to just upgrade to the next tier
01:51<sirpengi>Vijay: of course, nothing stops your from having multiple linodes and using them in NFS setup or HDFS
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01:53<VIjay_>True, but i am concerned about charges
01:54<VIjay_>i will be charged when i am not using the NFS server , but i cannot afford to upload 100 GB multiple times
01:54<VIjay_>can u suggest me a better way for this ?
01:55<James>jose: with monthly you will be charged the whole month and be credited back the difference into your account balance
01:56<VIjay_>understood, but for that i got to remove my instance correct ?
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02:40<lakridserne>Hmm any issues in London?
02:40<dcraig>our london linode is chugging along just fine
02:41<lakridserne>I just can't ping or in other ways access my Linode there
02:41<dcraig>lish don't work?
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02:41<lakridserne>it does
02:43<lakridserne>perhaps I should check whether I'm blocked in the firewall
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02:48<lakridserne>It was the firewall
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02:54<lakridserne>Just bored.... Dealing with some invoices that have not been paid by my customers...
02:56<lakridserne>What does it mean when you write >.>?
03:05<lakridserne>dozn: ah
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03:21<buhman>lakridserne: nobody knows
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03:30<dcraig>speaking of wgas, I can't pump my own gas anymore :(
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03:31<jose>hi again
03:31<jose>James: are you there?
03:31<lakridserne>he is
03:31<lakridserne>I think
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03:31<James>i'm dead
03:31<James>lakridserne killed me
03:32<lakridserne>oh yeah, I forgot
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03:32<James>and stole my laptop
03:32<jose>omg, zombie tech support
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03:32<jose>so, I've created a new linode
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03:32<jose>and placed the restore image on it
03:32<James>did it boot?
03:32<jose>(it took like 2 hours to do soo...)
03:32<jose>and when I've asked it to boot
03:32<lakridserne>Yep. Karate training yesterday was awesome :D So the temptation to kill someone became too strong
03:32<jose>he says he can't boot a 32 bits image
03:33<James>jose: just change the kernel in the profile to 64-bit
03:33<lakridserne>It needs to be 64-bit
03:33<James>will still boot
03:33<jose>how can I change it?]
03:33<lakridserne>Edit the profile
03:33<James>click the edit link next to the profile name
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03:39<lakridserne>kill -9 James
03:40<lakridserne>Oh wait, kill only accept process ids
03:40<lakridserne>service James stop
03:41<James>pkill -9 lakridserne
03:41<lakridserne>shutting down
03:42<jose>Ok, it is accessing it now
03:42<jose>but I can only access it via the ajax console thing
03:42<jose>can't use a ssh
03:42<lakridserne>did you start ssh?
03:42<jose>or ping the server
03:42<lakridserne>Okay have you pulled the IP up?
03:42<jose>I think so, the server I've created the image was using ssh
03:43<jose>how can I do it?
03:43<lakridserne>What distro are you using?
03:44<lakridserne>Also, for IPv6
03:44<jose>I've accessed it via the lish thing :)
03:45<jose>but I don't have the root pass, as I would always use ssh with a key to enter it...
03:45<jose>any way to reset the root pass via linode?
03:45<lakridserne>jose: Rescue tab
03:46<lakridserne>will require a reboot
03:47<jose>ok, found it
03:48<jose>thank you guys, it's 5 am here where I am :(
03:48<lakridserne>Isn't this guide quite outdated?
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04:30<jose>lakridserne: Thanks bro, I've made it and can finally sleep
04:30<jose>James: thanks also, you were the best
04:31<jose>if you guys ever come to Brazil, I will get you a Caipirinha ;)
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04:42<lakridserne>Did I miss anything? My IRC client crashed :(
04:43<James>you missed caker coming out
04:43<James>of the closet
04:43<lakridserne>Did you put him back in?
04:43<James>yeah i did
04:44<CornishPasty>Hmm, upgrade resulted in me getting charged extra?
04:44<James>happened to lots of people
04:44<CornishPasty>It's only a few dollars, but still...
04:44<James>apparently the cap doesn't work if you upgrade mid-month
04:44<lakridserne>CornishPasty: AFAIK the system detected it as a new node and as such extra hours
04:44<CornishPasty>Nice, good communication from them there ;)
04:45<lakridserne>I'd imagine it's a bug, but idk I'm just part of the community
04:45<lakridserne>But I'd imagine they have tons of tickets right now
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04:46<James>for some people
04:46<James>it might be an extra $100...
04:46<lakridserne>A simple ticket reply to close a ticket took 40 minutes I think
04:46<CornishPasty>indeed James
04:46<lakridserne>Something that normally takes a few minutes if that
04:46<CornishPasty>I wish, with them having a DC in the UK, they'd have a UK billing option :(
04:46<CornishPasty>I get charged for every forex transaction
04:47<CornishPasty>lakridserne: because I pay with a bank card? :P
04:47<CornishPasty>And they're a bank
04:47<James>i pay with a wank card!
04:47<lakridserne>I just use my card and then they convert it for me - without any fees
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05:16<Kannan>250 Mbit Network Out Is dedicated per 2Gb VPS? Or it is just a shared NIC?
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05:17<lakridserne>Kannan: There is 4 10 Gbit/s lines out. Each VPS has a limit of 250 Mbit/s outgoing
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05:18<Kannan>So Actual Server is sharing 40Gbps UplinK
05:19<lakridserne>But I'm only a community member
05:19<Kannan>Can we take advantage of bandwidth not in use (Throughput)
05:19<lakridserne>You can use up to 40 Gbit/s incoming
05:20<lakridserne>From the blog post announcing the upgrades:
05:20<lakridserne>"Each and every Linode host server is now connected via 40 Gbps of redundant connectivity into our core network, which itself now has an aggregate bandwidth of 160 Gbps. Linodes themselves can receive up to 40 Gbps of inbound bandwidth, and our plans now go up to 10 Gbps outbound bandwidth."
05:20<MrPPS>is there any disadvantage to japan's DC?
05:20<MrPPS>it's closer to me
05:20<MrPPS>but I've been impressed with Dallas's reliability
05:21<lakridserne>Not really
05:21<MrPPS>just wondering because of how far away it is from headquarters, etc.
05:21<Kannan>Thankyou lakridserne , Actually i never goona use more than 2Mbps in average , just asking that is it ....
05:21<MrPPS>whether it gets more attention, better gear, etc.
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05:21<MrPPS>or if there's any other inherent disadvantage (like it's not mainly managed by linode, etc)
05:21<MrPPS>is the dallas DC completely linode's?
05:21<AlexC_>MrPPS: They are all equal, and Linode use remote hands most of the time anyway afaik
05:21<AlexC_>MrPPS: No
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05:22<lakridserne>Kannan: The plans go from 250 mbit/s to 10 Gbit/s. However, remember that it takes processing power to process so much depending on what you do with your Linode. I've before on the private network transferred with 250 Mbit/s between Linodes (2 GB)
05:22<MrPPS>AlexC_: fair enough; thanks for the advice
05:22<Kannan>London colocation is 40Gbps capable ? or this is only avail @ US
05:23<lakridserne>Kannan: All locations are equal
05:23<@mikegrb>mmm cake
05:23<AlexC_>Well, London offers free tea and cake
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05:23<AlexC_>Plus great views of castles
05:24<lakridserne>AlexC_: It does? Why haven't you told me this before? I have a Linode there
05:24<AlexC_>lakridserne: Then our 'nodes should have a tea party
05:24<lakridserne>Well, I have at least one in every location except for Atlanta and Tokyo
05:24<Kannan>Now i am using DigitalOcean and Transip , DG to Transip file transfer server to server Getting Only 50 to 70 Mbps .... I Think linod can do better
05:24<lakridserne>Actually I have 2 nodes in London atm
05:25<KamiNuvini>Customer.Service().init() service_type/tag not found. - Longview Pro - 422814 - uh-oh
05:26<lakridserne>Kannan: Checked whether it's DO being slow?
05:26<lakridserne>Their network is crap
05:26<Kannan>Maybe TransIP Slow, Thay have only 100Mbps NIC
05:27<Kannan>DO having 1Gbps/VPS /Shared
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05:28<Kannan>Linod Site is now impressive , When 2012 i visited it was not so good , Now it is cool
05:28<lakridserne>I don't like it as much as before
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05:33<kannan>20$ Linod VS 20$ DO Which is best? Why
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05:34<MrPPS>AlexC_: submitted a ticket to get it moved :)
05:34*MrPPS is taking the dive
05:34<lakridserne>Linode is honestly best, I think. You get awesome hardware, awesome network and IPv6, etc.
05:34<MrPPS>Awesome hardware + Awesome support
05:35<MrPPS>that's why I pick linode for business stuff
05:35<lakridserne>yeah and network
05:35<MrPPS>and other providers for personal stuff I don't care about
05:35<kannan>:) I am IN ..... Gonna Try Today
05:36<MrPPS>none of my other providers have given me 580 days of consistent uptime
05:36<MrPPS>linode has
05:36<kannan>Thanks MrPPS and lakridserne
05:36<MrPPS>I've only been with linode for about 5 years
05:36<MrPPS>but hot dang I'm glad I have been
05:36<AlexC_>MrPPS: :)
05:36<kannan>580Days OMG
05:36<MrPPS>yeah :) tweeted a screeny of it a while back :P
05:36<AlexC_>I hope that's not on one 'node :p
05:37<MrPPS>it was
05:37<AlexC_>That's not a good thing :)
05:37<MrPPS>with kspice patching kernel in mem
05:37<lakridserne>I don't ever have that long uptime because I am taking advantage of upgrades ;)
05:37<AlexC_>mmm, ok slightly better
05:37<MrPPS>lakridserne: yeah, it was one of the upgrades that prompted me to reboot it
05:37<MrPPS>and I've had 380 up since then
05:37<MrPPS>would be curious to see host uptimes
05:38<MrPPS>oh, I love, it was 565 days
05:38<kannan>180Days Uptime @TransIP
05:38<lakridserne>MrPPS: Yeah... They probably have hot swappable hardware
05:38<MrPPS>I would imagine so
05:38<MrPPS>but, again, something else they do that other hosts don't
05:39<MrPPS>rest of mine just force reboot whenever they have to do kernel upgrades, etc.
05:39<lakridserne>They do it really rarily, and when they do it, they do it because it's urgent and they for some reason can't keep it up while they do it
05:39<lakridserne>and they do it as fast as possible
05:40*AlexC_ sniggers
05:41<kannan>Address1 Is nessary to fill? They share my details>?
05:41<lakridserne>It is necessary to fill and they do not share your details
05:43<kannan>Promotion Code? Have Any :D
05:43<lakridserne>they only give them on conferences
05:44<MrPPS>any plans for linode to open a DC in Aus?
05:44<MrPPS>I presume it'd be too expensive
05:44<@mikegrb>mmm cake
05:44<MrPPS>but that'd be like icing on a cake for me
05:44<lakridserne>No plans announced. Plans almost never get announced before they are in place
05:44<MrPPS>Yeah, true enough
05:44<kannan>Your credit card was declined. Please contact your bank for additional information.
05:44<MrPPS>overseas transaction probably
05:45<MrPPS>mine did the same at first
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05:45<AlexC_>MrPPS: They would need modified hardware to fit in the upside down racks
05:45<MrPPS>and I also used to have issues when manually debiting my card
05:45<MrPPS>AlexC_: haha
05:45<kannan>What to do next?
05:45<MrPPS>phone bank, find out if they declined based on country
05:46<MrPPS>or buy a prepaid credit card and use that
05:46<kannan>Hmm k
05:46<kannan>DO and TransIP dont have any problem with this card
05:47<kannan>Gonna try entropay ... 4.95% Wast
05:48<lakridserne>I didn't have problems with my card
05:48<kannan>Entropay Worked :D
05:49<kannan>Location Which will be best for INDIA
05:52<sandeep>probably london
05:53<sandeep>or tokyo
05:53<linbot>New news from forum: Remove / Uninstall Subversion on Ubuntu Precise in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
05:56<kannan>Backups » Enable >>Free??
05:57<kannan>I choose london
05:57<lakridserne>25 % of the plans cost
05:57<kannan>oh k
05:57<lakridserne>so 2 GB Linode is $5 backup
05:57<lakridserne>4 GB $10
05:57<lakridserne>and so on
05:58<kannan>Hmm OK
06:00<kannan>Swap Disk Max 512 Mb, We can change it later ,,,
06:00<lakridserne>sure you can
06:01<lakridserne>you can set it to any size you want
06:01<lakridserne>But usually I just choose 256
06:02<kannan>i wanna use Ningx ... it create loat of temp
06:02<lakridserne>lots of people here use nginx
06:02<lakridserne>My self included
06:02<KamiNuvini>nginx ftw
06:02<lakridserne>swap is just things in RAM that is infrequently accessed
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06:03<kannan>Yea .. More is Better na :D
06:04<AlexC_>Apache ftw
06:05<kannan>I have 10+ Sites Webmin+Virtualmin+Nginx ++Linod 2 GB >>>300 to 500 Gb bandwidth/Mo .....IT IS JUST FINE?
06:05<KamiNuvini>sure, not a huge fan of webmin/virtualmin myself but why not? :)
06:05*lakridserne hate when people say it like you're supposed to have an iPhone
06:06<kannan> webmin/virtualmin improved a so much try today
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06:09<kannan> System Boot - My Debian 7.5 Profile He He He :D :D :D
06:10<AlexC_>lakridserne: iDont know what you mean
06:10<KamiNuvini>kannan: Nice :D
06:10<lakridserne>AlexC_: ...
06:11<kannan>KamiNuvini--->> Chears ....
06:12<kannan>This is better that a Live Support or Ticket , Feel Like I am not Alone :D ..... Nice experince
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06:15<lakridserne>We're all just lurking around procastinating ;)
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06:17*AlexC_ is a productive procrastinator
06:18<kannan>Hey Anybody Know how can i get an Akamai CDN service [ Affodable for small people like myself ... somthiing like $/GB plans ]
06:19<lakridserne>Use one of their resellers
06:21<kannan>Can you guide me ,,, where to go ? any site
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06:25<AlexC_>kannan: What about AWS?
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06:26<kannan>Akamai is best 140000+servers ...
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06:26<lakridserne>Try searching Google for akamai resellers
06:26<kannan>60%+ Market share
06:26<kannan>Adobe+Microsoft etc...........
06:26<sandeep>they don't do direct business with 'small people'
06:27<kannan>That is BAD
06:27<HoopyCat>kannan: as one particular reseller, rackspace's object storage uses akamai for delivery:
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06:27<kannan>They Just gives partial Akamai just 170 pop
06:27<kannan>i mean not full Akamai
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06:28<lionmac>how to disable all crons in linode
06:29<HoopyCat>lionmac: delete the linode
06:29<HoopyCat>lionmac: or shut it down and put a note saying "DO NOT START <xxxxx>" on your monitor
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06:32<lakridserne>Note: It's cheaper to delete the Linode, but you'll lose the data on it
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06:34<HoopyCat>just presenting multiple options for the given information
06:34<lakridserne>He can also do rm -rf /
06:34<sandeep>could have meant linode the company
06:35<HoopyCat>lakridserne: could be running a distribution which blocks that, or doesn't even have rm. dunno what's running on it.
06:36<HoopyCat>on QNX, you use 'slay' to kill a process
06:37<phrozen>is there a dynamic dns client which can update linode dns records?
06:38<James>phrozen: linode cli
06:38<James>could use a script with that
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06:39<phrozen>yah im looking for a windows app already made. if something hasnt been made ill just alter the one i made for my last host :)
06:43<HoopyCat>phrozen: could also use curl, as a one-liner: ... if target is literally "[remote_addr]" it will sub in the source IP of the request. (note: use --ipv4 or --ipv6 to explicitly force one address family, to make it deterministic)
06:43<HoopyCat>phrozen: (windows has curl, right?)
06:44<HoopyCat>well, it has Invoke-WebRequest, which is functionally similar
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06:50<kannan>My IP resolvs
06:50<kannan>How to change it?
06:51<KamiNuvini>You can change the reverse dns in the linode manager
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06:52<KamiNuvini>Select your linode -> remote access -> reverse DNS
06:53<lakridserne>I love that you can change rDNS yourself... At most providers, you have to put in a ticket
06:53<James>such pain
06:53<CornishPasty>many awkward
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06:54<praetorian>eat pie.
06:54<James>i don't think i had to submit a rdns request yet
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07:09<Kannan> i cannot able to Edit Reverse DNS
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07:11<fl0w>hello ..
07:11<fl0w>My name is Luka, and I live on the second floor
07:12<Kannan> i cannot able to Edit Reverse DNS
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07:13<fl0w>Kannan: What’s the error message?
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07:31<HoopyCat>DID YOU KNOW: In the unlikely event of a water landing, your Linode may not be used as a flotation device.
07:32<HoopyCat>But you can hug it close to you anyway, simply by placing your arms through the straps like this.
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07:37<pronto>Have you licked your USB cable today?
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07:42*James takes a bite out of HoopyCat's linode
07:42<James>mmm, bits
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09:31<canburak>Hello, my linode ip address changed. I need to reset it back. The one visible on the "remote access" tab is inconsistent with the actual ip address
09:31<lakridserne>canburak: What do you mean? Did you move DC recently?
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09:32<canburak>lakridserne: no, I've enabled IPV6, It said my mac will be changed. When I rebooted I lost access to my linode
09:32<@akerl>canburak: That does not change your IPv4 address in any way
09:33<@akerl>and our distro images do not expect the MAC to be consistent
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09:33<canburak>I can access it via LISH but cannot seem to access over internet. remote access tab shows different IP addreses
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09:33<@akerl>canburak: pastebin the output of `ip addr`, `ip route`, and `iptables-save`?
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09:37<@akerl>canburak: I have a hunch that IP is not your Linode's IP
09:38<@akerl>You're gonna need to connect to Lish and fix your IPv4 static configuration
09:39<canburak>akerl: I got the problem but you need to do something
09:39<canburak>Can you read the support tickets: 3096571
09:39<@akerl>canburak: We don't need to do anything
09:39<canburak>I asked for a europe migration, and cancelled it.
09:40<lakridserne>Well if you cancelled it, the IP has not changed
09:40<canburak>yes but remote access shows the europe addresses
09:40<canburak>lish shows i am in dallas
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09:41<lakridserne>When they set up a migration you shut down the Linode and click the Migrate button yourself and boot it up afterwards.
09:41<canburak>cancelling it is done by your side. i havent even started the migration
09:41<lakridserne>It doesn't automatically migrate
09:41<canburak>yes but it never habbened.
09:42<dwfreed>you should update the ticket
09:44<canburak>they are reset back now
09:44<phrozen>staff: fyi the api doc for domain.resource.update says domainid is optional but i get an error saying its required when i dont include it
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09:45<cbh2003>Hello :)
09:45<cbh2003>we just called your company
09:45<@akerl>I doubt you called lakridserne's company :P
09:45<cbh2003>we need some help
09:46<@akerl>This is the user community: welcome :)
09:46<lakridserne>akerl: You're correct ;)
09:46*CornishPasty calls lakridserne's company
09:46<cbh2003>i called linode this company
09:46<lakridserne>But go ahead and ask anyway cbh2003
09:47<cbh2003>i bought host from your company
09:47<cbh2003>i could ask some help here ?
09:48<James>i bought a lakridserne
09:48<James>he doesn't work
09:48<lakridserne>Sure. We can answer most questions. Some you'll have to ask Linode about directly though
09:48<James>can i return him
09:48<lakridserne>James: Sorry, the guarantee ran out
09:48<dozn>James, need moar br0keh enrish
09:48<James>dozn bought a akerl
09:49*lakridserne bought James
09:49<dozn>cbh2003, what is your problem?
09:49<cbh2003>you are from LINODE ?
09:49<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
09:49<dozn>No, if you want to talk to Linode employees, submit a ticket for a quicker response
09:49<@akerl>We do not do official support over IRC
09:50<cbh2003>ok , thanks a lot
09:50<cbh2003>i will contact linode directly
09:50<nici>if i wanted to migrate from atlanta to newark would i be able to keep my IP?
09:50<KamiNuvini>cbh2003: Just ask your question, if people here can help they will, if not they can tell you this question is better suited for handling via a ticket
09:50<lakridserne>nici: No
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09:51<cbh2003>Ok ,thank you :)
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09:52<nici>is there a way to know what my IP will be in advance to get my DNS updated... I have to deal with a for my domain so it can be a little bit weird
09:53<lakridserne>nici: Usually you get your new IP address in the migration ticket
09:53<nici>at least i don't have to fax my requests in anymore
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09:53<nici>trying to figure out how to fax something to romania was interesting
09:53<lakridserne>What is a fax? :P
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09:57<Eugene>Rah rah rah hourly billing overcharged me by $5 this month, etc
09:57<lakridserne>Eugene: Raise a ticket
09:58<dwfreed>Eugene: wut
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09:58<dwfreed>I've yet to be overcharged, and I've tripped the $50 every month
09:58<Eugene>1024-->2048 upgrade seems to have been interpreted as separate linodes
09:59<Eugene>didn't hit the $20 cap
09:59<KamiNuvini>I guess a bunch of people will have the same thing eugene, I had it as well
09:59<Eugene>And hilariously, android's word prediction auto completed "I don't care enough to do that"
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10:01<Eugene>"I use a file and Support that as of git is it in any hooks" this is fun and almost grammatical
10:01<lakridserne>I spent the few extra dollars buying a new node, copying things, swap IP, delete old to avoid downtime
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10:02<Eugene>I did that on my Tokyo one to jump the queue
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10:14<prazgod>Anyone know how to fix this without stating the obvious as this is a cleaninstall yesterday: "An update for the Longview agent is available. Please update your installation of Longview."
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10:14<@akerl>prazgod: Update the longview package?
10:15<prazgod>I only just installed it yesterday! and there are no instructions on how to update it :)
10:15<lakridserne>apt-get update
10:15<lakridserne>or yum upgrade
10:15<lakridserne>depending on distro
10:15<prazgod>yum update gives no update available
10:16<@akerl>How did you initially install it?
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10:17<prazgod>I initially installed it with the command given in the popup on the longview page
10:18<@akerl>what is the name/version of the current installed package?
10:20<prazgod>How do I find that out?
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10:24<prazgod>hmm looks liek yum dependancies are broken for installing via yum
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10:47<pawnee>i got my invoice today by mail and paid on time, does one always get at least 5 business days to make the payment? im not always looking at mail
10:47<@akerl>pawnee: We automatically charge you, there's no need to pay manually
10:47<lakridserne>pawnee: Linode will automatically try to deduct the money from your card
10:48<atrus>pre-authorized CC payments ftw (although i do get paranoid about something going wrong, as happened with my last vps provider, which just deleted all my data without a warning...)
10:48<@akerl>If that fails, you get notified multiple times over the course of the month: Linodes aren't removed for non-payment til the 20th
10:48<pawnee>but i always have to make payment by hand or can i just wait and let the system do it for me?
10:48<@akerl>pawnee: You can just wait
10:48<@qmr>pawnee if we have issues deducting payment we will tell you around the 3rd-5th. suspension notices go out around the 8th, suspensions happen around the 10th, deletion notices around the 18th, deletions around the end of the month
10:49<pawnee>okay thnx ill keep it in mind for next month
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11:06<trippeh>Hmm. linode.ip.list does not return ipv6 addys it seems
11:07<Cool>Hey guys quick question, where are the locations linode offers servers also, do they offer windows vps?
11:07<ttech>no windows
11:08<lakridserne>Tokyo, London, Newark, Dallas, Atlanta and Fremont
11:08<lakridserne>and ttech is right
11:08<lakridserne>no windows
11:08<dzho>talk about pop music
11:08<ttech>or if you want the new stuff
11:08<ttech>which is oddly useless about where
11:09<Cool>Damn, I really needed windows though :(
11:09<davidwebb>Cool: why?
11:10<tsuyoshi>depending on what you need to run, wine may work
11:11<lakridserne>That is not Cool
11:11<Cool>I have a c# sharp program, which needs to be run, I had wine before on a linux server but could never get it to run
11:12<gparent>You'll want to use Mono not wine
11:12<tsuyoshi>yeah maybe mono.. if not that, then an actual emulator should work
11:13<tsuyoshi>although, I imagine there are actually vps providers somewhere that support windows
11:13<gparent>neither mono nor wine is an actual emulator
11:13<gparent>you'll want to use Windows if those two don't work
11:13<gparent>well... I wouldn't use the verb 'want', but hey :)
11:13<tsuyoshi>yeah, they aren't emulators, but there are emulators that can run windows inside linux
11:13<tsuyoshi>emulating the cpu and everything
11:13<gparent>Oh, yeah, but at that point you're just working around choosing the wrong OS imho
11:14<tsuyoshi>yeah.. aws supports windows, doesn't it?
11:14<gparent>I've had good luck with Mono the few times I had to use it th ough
11:14<gparent>I'd trust that over Windows any time
11:14<Cool>Yes, a quick question with mono or wine, do you need to install the program to run it?
11:15<AlexC_>AWS does indeed support Windows
11:15<Cool>Last time I used wine, it wouldn't run the program, it doesn't need to be installed.
11:15<Cool>AWS is?
11:15<trippeh>And Azure ;-)
11:15<gparent>I don't know about Wine
11:15<AlexC_>Cool: Amazon Web Services
11:15<gparent>it's fairly program specific
11:15<Cool>Yes but isn't amazon expensive?
11:16<tsuyoshi>cool: if the program you're trying to run with wine doesn't require installation on windows, it shouldn't require installation with wine either
11:16<AlexC_>Depends what you're doing with your instances, but generally - no
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11:16<gparent>I get better value on Linode Im fairly sure
11:16<AlexC_>Sure, it depends what you're doing with your instance
11:17<Cool>Well if I did go ahead and order a linux server, do they offer a money back guarantee?
11:17<AlexC_>Cool: 7 day money back
11:17<tsuyoshi>I haven't used wine too much, but I remember there was one program where the installer didn't work in wine, but I was able to run the installer in dosbox and then run the program itself in wine
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11:17<gparent>Yeah, Ive ran some Steam games by installing them on Windows and then moving the folder over to steamapps
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11:18<gparent>you'll want to refer to particular instructions for the program if they exist
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11:19<Cool>I'll have a look into this linux thing and maybe see if I can get it working
11:20<potentialnewcus>hi; can anyone please advise whether Linode 2G is on 8 cores CPU or on 2 cores? I keep finding people/articles mentioning 8 cores but it says 2 on the website
11:20<gparent>the website is accurate
11:20<gparent>"people/articles" are outdated
11:20<tsuyoshi>I think they just switched to 2 cores from 8
11:20<tsuyoshi>they are faster cores now, though
11:21<gparent>Linode updates their website frequently, I'd trust the actual provider
11:21<gparent>if you wanna know what else changed
11:21<potentialnewcus>I've read that too; cheers
11:22<potentialnewcus>could anyone please advise what does Linode provide that digitalocean doesn't?
11:22<@akerl>IPv6 :P
11:23<davidwebb>potentialnewcus: this IRC channel. I've gotten loads of help from this channel.
11:23<@caker>ipv6, disk image management, ssh based console access (also dhtml), nodebalancers, managed, longview, oh and more resource for the $, we've been doing this for 11 years, fantastic support, etc etc
11:23<davidwebb>although I will say DO's tutorials are quite good.
11:23<@caker>the list goes on and on
11:23<@caker>40 Gbit network <------
11:24<@caker>datacenter grade SSDs (not consumer grade)
11:24<@caker>Intel 2680v2 processors (they be fast) - I think DO uses 2630 low power procs
11:24<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:24<gparent>a bot that reacts when you say bacon and good support
11:24<potentialnewcus>I'm reading for the past hours and opinions are mixed really, they do ssd. ssh too, etc
11:25<gparent>And as a customer I can say performance is amazing here beyond what everything caker stated
11:25<potentialnewcus>but got it, thanks!
11:25<potentialnewcus>any offers atm? :P
11:25<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:25<gparent>They don't do ssh console
11:25<davidwebb>gparent: do you mean the javascript ssh console within the dashboard?
11:25<gparent>No because it's not ssh :P
11:25<gparent>On Linode you can connect to your serial console via SSH
11:26<potentialnewcus>not really, that's crap, although I do remember something about a html5 thing on their packages
11:26<potentialnewcus>you can't?! :O
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11:26<gparent>...I just said you can
11:26<potentialnewcus>sorry :)
11:26<gparent>On DO you have this VNC thing that works not so reliably
11:26<Cool>Can i host a website on these servers?
11:26<gparent>On Linode you get a neat HTML/ajax/dhtml something one
11:26<gparent>And also SSH access on top
11:27<potentialnewcus>cool, cheers
11:27<gparent>(And I don't mean to the box, I mean SSH access to the -console-, which is super handy)
11:27<potentialnewcus>any offers you know about atm?
11:27<gparent>$20 per month for 2G, great value :P
11:27<potentialnewcus>or vouchers/discount codes, etc
11:27<potentialnewcus>I know that lol
11:27<trippeh>caker: I want the api to list ipv6 addresses too. go fix! (and break everyones naive use of it)
11:27<tsuyoshi>Cool: yes
11:27<potentialnewcus>bacon :D
11:27<@caker>trippeh: k
11:28<@qmr>potentialnewcus: no vouchers or discount codes
11:28<tsuyoshi>Cool: that's probably what 90% of them are used for
11:28<potentialnewcus>hmm.. 'bacon' doesn't work anymore? :O
11:28<davidwebb>potentialnewcus: try lol
11:28<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:28<potentialnewcus>too late, I wanted bacon
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11:28<potentialnewcus>alright, cheers for that, see you guys later!
11:28<Cool>Are these servers managed? and can I host a website on them?
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11:29<@caker>Cool: they are self-managed Yes, you can host websites or whatever else you want on them
11:29<davidwebb>Cool: 10:28 tsuyoshi: Cool: that's probably what 90% of them are used for
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11:29<Cool>Ok, cool I am about to order, is it setup instant?
11:30<davidwebb>Could these be used as a Plex server, for downloading and streaming media to Plex clients? or is that against the rules?
11:30<@caker>Cool: yes, it is
11:31<linbot>New news from forum: I've made a Windows dynamic DNS client for Linode in /dev/random <>
11:31<Cool>Ok great :)
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11:44<davidweb_>qmr: thanks
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11:48<Cool>hey guys how do i setup so i can connect to linux using rdp?
11:50<AlexC_>Cool: What if I told you there was no desktop =3
11:51<AlexC_>(by default)
11:51<Cool>I thought xrdp? would work fine
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11:51<AlexC_>Cool: Have you installed a graphical environment on your 'node? Such as KDE, Gnome?
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11:52<Cool>No not yet, I was thinking of though
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12:01<@qmr>Cool: that is a better question to ask your favorite search engine. if you run into problems setting it up feel free to ask for help here
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12:08<Cool>I have set it up, I was just wondering can someone help me get the program, running ive installed wine, it still doesn't work?
12:09<tsuyoshi>how did you try to run the program?
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12:09<Cool>pressed rune with wine
12:10<tsuyoshi>what format is the program in?
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12:11<tsuyoshi>so, you have a c# source file?
12:11<TecnoBrat>qmr: you weren't one of the people at railsconf last week were you? :P
12:11<Cool>No I have the program.
12:11<Cool>Compiled and all
12:12<@qmr>TecnoBrat: No.
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12:13<tsuyoshi>compiled to an .exe file?
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12:15<Cool>Sorry i got disconnected, It is an exe file
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12:16<tsuyoshi>so.. do you get an error message or what?
12:16<Cool>No, no error message, just it's loading but won't open.
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12:17<tsuyoshi>ok... can you run it from the command line?
12:18<TecnoBrat>qmr I was just trying to connect the people I met, to the people in here :P
12:18<tsuyoshi>open a terminal and type: wine program.exe
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12:19<Cool>Ok, do I need to open ssh? or can I open cmd through ubuntu? also if I can open cmd how do I open it
12:19<tsuyoshi>well, you can ssh to the linode
12:20<tsuyoshi>you were talking about using remote desktop before, so...
12:20<Cool>I am on the linux vps now
12:20<Cool>but how do I open the cmd?
12:21<tsuyoshi>well... I don't know, there should be a menu item somewhere saying "terminal" or "terminal emulator"
12:21<Cool>I'll try to find out
12:22<tsuyoshi>I don't use a desktop environment myself, so I don't really know
12:22<tsuyoshi>unless ratpoison counts...
12:23<Cool>I've found the terminal.
12:23<linbot>New news from forum: Hosting a Game Server and Multiple Websites on a Linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
12:25<dozn>It's always nice when a completely unrelated question is asked in a 15 day old post
12:25*dozn likes to live dangerously
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12:30<Cool>Ok guys, I am having trouble, getting it to run would anyone be able to help me out?
12:30<@qmr>You need to be a lot more specific
12:31<@qmr>don't ask to ask, just ask. if someone is willing and able to help they will
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12:33<lakridserne>qmr: It's my greatest pleasure to waste your time by asking stupid questions!
12:33<gparent>qmr: looking forward to that beer? :P
12:34*qmr stabs lakridserne
12:34<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
12:34<@qmr>gparent: Yes, but no idea when we will be in the same place :(
12:34<Cool>Ok, so basically I tried to do it through the terminal, it says it can't find the program since it's not in the windows/system32/ folder, which I can't find
12:34<gparent>One day, one day
12:34<@qmr>Cool: pastebin the full shell session and share the link here?
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12:36<Cool>I'm on the server via xrdp, if someone can help me over skype or teamviewer that would be great?
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12:40<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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12:47<zwt>hey all
12:47<zwt>anybody knows perl a little?
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12:47<Kellin>yes - but in what context
12:48<zwt>Kellin: here is a line: prompt = username + "@" + hostname + ":" + os.getcwd() + " $ "
12:49<zwt>from this I want to remove username and hostname
12:49<@akerl>zwt: How sure are you that that's perl?
12:49<zwt>but I got: IndentationError: expected an indented block
12:49<zwt>akerl: right lets call it python:p
12:49<gparent>I can read it, it's probably not perl!
12:50<@akerl>You're getting that error because you haven't properly indented
12:50<zwt>where is mike btw?
12:50<Kellin>yeah - that's not perl
12:50<zwt>ah I just lagging
12:50<gparent>I'm getting some latency too, messages getting batched :/
12:50<gparent>not too long though so it's ok
12:51<zwt>akerl: what does ideated means?:O I don't know python it just a script I want to modify. let me show you the script
12:51<@akerl>indenting the lines
12:51<@akerl>Python cares about whitespace: your lines need to be indented properly to match the code
12:52<zwt>akerl: line 64.
12:52<@akerl>Oh god
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12:53<@akerl>zwt: I'm gonna strongly recommend you put that script somewhere that fire can consume it
12:53<zwt>akerl: why?
12:53<zwt>akerl: not a good one I assume then
12:53<@akerl>Between dangerous_characters_in_command, the globals, and the generally frightening code standards
12:53<gparent>CO2 is good for the environment
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12:55<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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13:08<pluesch>dns servers down?
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13:11<@qmr>pluesch: Which ones? What domain zone?
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13:12<linbot>New news from forum: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Hash Sum mismatch in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
13:12<axodish>hi is anyone else seeing connectivity issues in UK?
13:12<duckydan>I am having issues in Atlanta and Dallas.
13:13<centzilius>Hmm... dns servers are strange today...
13:13<pluesch>any zone
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13:13<NJ>Problems at NJ datacenter?
13:14<NJ>I'm seeing about 50% loss on the route
13:14<pluesch>and ns4. too
13:15<centzilius>seems like are down
13:15<pluesch>can confirm this ...
13:15<lakridserne>NJ: I dont' see any packet loss
13:15<lakridserne>in NJ
13:16<pluesch>ns1 and ns2 are up :)
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13:17<hawk>Yep, sure looks like 3-5 are not responding at all
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13:18*lakridserne doesn't use Linodes DNS
13:19<NJ> -- not in NJ?
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13:20<@qmr>3-5 look derpy. we're on it.
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13:20<pluesch>qmr: thank you
13:21<trippeh>qmr: I challange you to use derpy on
13:22<gparent>"There is a large derp affecting DNS servers in certain locations at this time"
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13:22<Eugene>Distributed Derp of Service
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13:23<centzilius>Derpy is destroying everything
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13:28<lionmac>where to see the longs of appache
13:28<lionmac>how to find out its location?
13:28<gparent>usually /var/log/apache IIRC
13:29<hawk>As for how to find out, look at your configuration
13:30<lionmac>ok im on /var/log/ and theres access.log, error.log
13:31<@qmr>You need to reference your apache configuration to figure out what you actually should be reviewing
13:33<lionmac>I have a big problem, theres plugin that has a cron ... which puts the cpu to 800%
13:33<lionmac>i need to find that cron and disable or edit it
13:33<gparent>longview is just a secret bitcoin mining operation
13:34<gparent>My longview CPU usage is very low... according to longview *suspense*
13:34<lionmac>yes LongView
13:34<lionmac>how to find that cron and disable or edit it
13:35<@akerl>Use longview to find what process is spiking the CPU
13:35<@akerl>Then remove that from your cron config
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13:36<@akerl>So this isn't a cron script
13:36<@akerl>It's your web server
13:38<lionmac>what do you mean?
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13:38<lionmac>which are the steps toward identifying the solution
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13:38<@akerl>lionmac: cron is a daemon, you give it tasks to run periodically and it runs them
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13:39<lionmac>yes it starts at night, and every night it blocks
13:39<@akerl>apache is your web server. It does not run via cron (I hope), and so if Apache is causing the CPU usage, cron is not what is causing the CPU usage
13:39<@akerl>Check Apache's logs and find out what script is being called when the CPU spikes
13:40<lionmac>other_vhosts_access.log? error.log
13:40<lionmac>which to check
13:40<@akerl>Wherever you're logging requests
13:40<@akerl>If you don't know where that is, check your apache configs
13:41<lionmac>where to check the apache configs?
13:41<@akerl>where did you put them?
13:41<lionmac>someone else config the linode
13:41<smed>"it does not run via cron (I hope)" {snicker}
13:41<@akerl>Oh, well then where did they put the files?
13:41<Scub>depends on the distro where the package manager will deploy them, usually its localized to /etc/apache2 on debian based deployments
13:42<Scub>for rhel based distros check /etc/httpd
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13:42<Scub>arch falls into the latter option ^_^ <33
13:43<NJ>Still seeing packet loss at but don't see anything on -- any word on what's up?
13:43<gparent>on bsd it's probably /usr/local/etc/opt/bsd/etc/log/httpd/sites
13:43*CornishPasty prefers /etc/nginx :P
13:43<lionmac>wow what the hell i found a log of 13gb?
13:43<@akerl>lionmac: Things that ought to be in real cron: logrotate
13:43<Scub>hehe logrotate will help with that, but you should definitely index them for searching
13:43<lionmac>two access.log and error.log
13:43*gparent high fives CornishPasty
13:44<Scub>you can mine some pretty interesting data out of your logs :3
13:44<CornishPasty>akerl: What's a logrotate? Sounds like something you do in a fire </sarcasm>
13:44<gparent>yeah lets find us some encoded payloads
13:44<CornishPasty>Maybe is it part of a lathe?
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13:44<dozn>Pff, rotate the logs by hand you plebs
13:45<gparent>I mv every hour and restart with service.
13:45<Craighton>Gotta love server migrations. Should have just started with a Linode
13:45<gparent>dozn: it's hard to get the timestamps exact though
13:45<dozn>Craighton, the good news of course being that you'll never have to go through it again (unless you purchase your own hardware in the future)
13:46<Craighton>Boss wanted to start light but after only a week we've been overdriving the current VPS
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13:47<Craighton>I told him. But he never listens.
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13:47<dozn>They wouldn't be bosses if they listened to everything =)
13:48<Craighton>I told him to at least start with a small Linode
13:48<Craighton>because upgrading would have been easier
13:49<Craighton>but nooooooooooo
13:50<kafka>dozn: not true though. ya could always have to scale out down the road
13:51<NJ>Huzzah -- packet loss seems to be cleared up
13:51<Yaakov>OR UP
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13:51<kafka>I SAID SCALE OUT
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13:55<Craighton>But can you scale down your caps?
13:55<Craighton>*ba dum duh*
13:55*dozn apologizes
13:55<Scub>hehe scaling is easy when you use whats available, have a peek at puppet/chef or linodes stack scripts for that matter :D
13:56<kafka>woah now
13:56<Scub>rawr! :D
13:56*lakridserne__ love Yaakov with a great big love
13:56-!-lakridserne__ is now known as lakridserne
13:56<Yaakov>HUGE, GREAT *HUGE* LOVE.
13:56<Yaakov>The wording is critical.
13:57<dozn>Yaakov, you're a Perl user, how is wording critical 0_o
13:57<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE ©2014 Ya'akov, All Rights Reserved
13:58<Yaakov>dozn: It's not written in perl.
13:58*lakridserne hates *
13:58<dozn>lakridserne, in most cases it saved a ton of manual labour
13:58<kafka>perl? or scripting in general?
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13:59<lakridserne>dozn: You mean wildcard? I just meant that I hate everyone ;)
14:01<Yaakov>Unlike most programming languages, Perl includes me.
14:01<dozn>lakridserne, ah, yes I did =b
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14:02<lakridserne>dozn: Wildcards are awesome in many cases
14:02*lakridserne want * dozn's money
14:03<lakridserne>Does Linode sponsor LinuxCon?
14:04<Yaakov>Globbing is dangerous. 
14:05<@Perihelion>lakridserne: No, but we could
14:06<lakridserne>Ah okay - I just noticed that it was Linodes color in the newsletter
14:06<@Perihelion>I AM THE ONE WHO SPONSORS
14:06<kafka>its in chicago this year
14:06<kafka>id love to go
14:06<@Perihelion>I just got back from Chicago
14:06<@Perihelion>That same venue
14:07<kafka>heh nice!
14:07<Yaakov>I have been in Chicago a lot.
14:07<kafka>how was it?
14:07<@Perihelion>It's super nice
14:07<Yaakov>Perhaps too much.
14:07<lakridserne>I have never been in Chicago
14:07<Yaakov>Perihelion: You were only about 130 miles from me.
14:07<dozn>Perihelion, go sponsor an eSports team
14:07<Craighton>when using scp on a linode what's the proper way to change the port it's trying to connect to?
14:07<Yaakov>You didn;t even say hello.
14:07<jed>Perihelion: who are you talking to right now? who is it that you think you see?
14:07<kafka>i dunno why but i genuinely believe the quality of the conference is quite affected by the quality of the venue
14:08<@qmr>Craighton: man scp
14:08<@Perihelion>Yaakov: I've been like 2 feet from you though!
14:08<Yaakov>Yes... you have.
14:08<Yaakov>That was fun.
14:08<kafka>Yaakov: im guessing im only about 40 miles from Perihelion now
14:08<@Perihelion>kafka: <-- View from my room
14:09<kafka>wow very nice!
14:09<kafka>sears tower and everything
14:09<jed>I am exactly 2,971 miles from Perihelion at this very moment
14:09<jed>do I win a prize?
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14:10<@Perihelion>kafka: Where are you located?
14:10<dozn>Oh wow, there's an international caps lock day
14:10<kafka>philly :3
14:10-!-bas is now known as Guest8312
14:10<@Perihelion>Ah :P
14:10<kafka>if you guys every come out to the city i'll buy you a drink
14:10<kafka>well im poor
14:10<kafka>so it might be a yeungling
14:10<dozn>So he'll buy you peanuts, and make you pay for the drink
14:11<@Perihelion> Obligatory night view
14:11<@Perihelion>kafka: We're in the city now and then...check out FOSSCON
14:11<kafka>oooo very nice
14:11<kafka>the view ^^
14:11<kafka>also fosscon
14:11<@Perihelion>Yeah, it was fantastic
14:12<kafka>what do you do at linode?
14:12<Guest8312>hey guys :)
14:12<@Perihelion>Mostly IRC
14:12<CornishPasty>What does Linode do for FOSS? (Not trying to be rude)
14:12<@Perihelion>Haha, kidding. I handle all of our events and sponsorships
14:12<CornishPasty>So, mostly IRC *and* Email?
14:12<@Perihelion>Sometimes phone!
14:12<kafka>so you really do do all the sponsors!
14:13<CornishPasty>Woah, not phone too!
14:13<@Perihelion>Well, I don't DO the sponsors
14:13<@Perihelion>That's awkward
14:13<kafka>well not if they are sexy
14:13<Guest8312>does any of you have experience with hosting a production server with linode
14:13<kafka>or really smart
14:13<kafka>which is also sexy
14:13*kafka shuts up
14:13<Guest8312>is it relyable
14:13<lakridserne>Guest8312: Yes
14:13<Yaakov>Perihelion: and
14:13<Guest8312>ive been trying out digital ocean
14:14<Guest8312>but their servers seem very unstable
14:14<@qmr>More reliable is multiple Linodes behind a NodeBalancer
14:14<Guest8312>and they still have bunch of bugs to fix
14:14<lakridserne>Guest8312: DO is shit compared to Linode
14:14<CornishPasty>qmr: What about the loadbalancer itself?
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14:14<kafka>can people stop attacking newark now?
14:14<@Perihelion>Yaakov: I want to live in that circular building. It was friggin HUGE.
14:14<kafka>yeah its a crap city but
14:14<CornishPasty>Surely we must loadbalance some loadbalancers while they loadbalance some linodes!
14:14<@qmr>CornishPasty: HA out of the box
14:14<Guest8312>yeah they dont even have load balancers at D.O
14:14<CornishPasty>qmr: :D
14:15<Guest8312>and they have so may network hickups
14:15*CornishPasty submits job application to Linode :P
14:15<@qmr>CornishPasty: If things get that crazy you can have multiple NBs with DNS RR
14:15<lakridserne>Guest8312: They don't have IPv6 either
14:15<CornishPasty>qmr: Multiple NBs balancing multiple NBs, right?
14:15<dozn>Guest8312, and worse CPUs, more frequent issues on their status page, list goes on...
14:15<lakridserne>qmr: What about multiple DC's? Geo?
14:16<dozn>They need at least a few years to stabilize
14:16<@qmr>No, multiple NBs balanced with DNS round robin. NodeBalancers are internets -> LAN. no LAN -> LAN option
14:16<Guest8312>nice, thanks for the input
14:16<Yaakov>Chicago is nice, in it's way. So it Philly. NYC also has stuff... in the end, I don't know if I could live in any of them.
14:16<Yaakov>Pittsburgh is also nice.
14:16<@qmr>lakridserne: Yes, you would need to build that yourself NodeBalancers only balance to backends in the same facility
14:16<@jchen>chicago <3
14:16<Guest8312>one more: does linnode work with images
14:16*lakridserne wishes Guest8312 well with Linode
14:16<@jchen>pittsburgh is really nice too
14:16<CornishPasty>qmr: Stop, you're meant to sell more! :P
14:17<@qmr>Guest8312: "work with images" ?
14:17<Guest8312>for example we need about 40 vps's
14:17<Q3Man>puppet ftw
14:17<Guest8312>can i create a new node throught the linnode api and use a image
14:17<@qmr>Guest8312: I suggest proper deployment magic so you can magic those into existence. You can also use a stackscript, or clone your disk image
14:17<Guest8312>to install or do i have to clone a existing one
14:17<dozn>Guest8312: I can send you a referral code =3
14:17<kafka>yay philly!
14:17<kafka>been trying to get my friend to move out here
14:17<@akerl>I maintain that gold-master-based large scale deployments are a pretty bleh way to do that
14:17<kafka>he says he wont till linode hires him
14:17<@akerl>Config management wins on almost all counts
14:18*lakridserne need to look into config management at some point
14:18*CornishPasty wonders if nobody saw his question, or slyly chose to ignore it :P
14:18<Guest8312>@dozn sure send it
14:18<@akerl>CornishPasty: Which?
14:19<CornishPasty>akerl: What does Linode do for FOSS? (genuinely curious)
14:19<@qmr>CornishPasty: What do we do for FOSS?
14:19<Guest8312>thanks for your help guys
14:19<CornishPasty>Yeah, are there any cool things you guys have made and open sourced/whatever?
14:19<kafka>i think CornishPasty is wondering why you are sponsoring fosscon
14:19<@qmr>Some bits go upstream, as well as bug reports. We sponsor different projects and events. Longview agent is open source, our CLI is open source.
14:20<@akerl>I'd argue that sponsoring FOSSCON is something we do for FOSS :P
14:20<kafka>thats fair
14:20<kafka>you can sponsor me too
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14:20<CornishPasty>kafka: No I'm not, I understand they use FOSS, and they sponsor various projects/cons, I was just wondering what else they do :P
14:21<CornishPasty>Would be nice if the longview server could be open sourced :P
14:21<CornishPasty>It's better than some others... :P
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14:22*lakridserne waves
14:23<Eduardon>I'm new to linode. I am installing Cpanel and received the following message in my email:
14:23<Eduardon>Your Linode, rs1, has exceeded the notification threshold (1000) for disk io rate by averaging 4187.20 for the last 2 hours.
14:24<Eduardon>is normal?
14:24<lakridserne>It's a threshold you can set yourself
14:24<trippeh>Eduardon: Especially during installation. Its a FYI only
14:25<Eduardon>thanks, which is the recommended value to set alerts
14:25<lakridserne>But since you know what is going on (you do something resource intensive - install cPanel) you can ignore it
14:27<Eduardon>ok, thanks for your answers
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14:34<Craighton>rsync is starting to fustrate me
14:35<Craighton>I use the commend and I'm point it to the right directory and it says that it sends a couple of bytes and say it's completed when it can't be
14:35<dozn>I just want to note that multiple verbose flags are my favourite parameters
14:36<Craighton>I'm using "rsync -zr -e 'ssh -p 2200' <remoteuser>@<remoteserver>:/home/<user>/<folder>/ /home/<localuser>/<folder>"
14:36<Craighton>is that not right?
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14:38<retro|blah>So what's not being copied?
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14:39<Craighton>folder and its contents
14:39<Craighton>its not syncing anything
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14:45<Craighton>so it works when pushing but I couldn't get it to pull
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14:45<retro|blah>Is <remoteuser> the same as <user> when pulling?
14:46<Craighton>both users are the same username between the servers
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16:10<Craighton>There's something about watching your app compile that is completely satisfying.
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16:14<zifnab>something about languages that don't compile is satisfying
16:15<Craighton>and something about erros which make me want to destory my computer
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16:15<zifnab>i'm in the process of migrating one of work's main applications to py3
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16:24<sirpengi>zifnab: nice
16:24<sirpengi>i'm starting to use py3 for some side projects
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16:28<zifnab>it works well enough
16:29<zifnab>having some issues getting uwsgi updated, appears my bash scripts are entirely ignoring path after activating a venv
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16:35<zifnab>interesting py3 feature: virtualenv is built in, pyvenv-3.X
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16:57<NewSky>Hello All
16:57<NewSky>I have a question here for linode staff as i am totally new to linode
16:57<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
16:58<NewSky>could i upgrade my plan without any outage of my server
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16:59<Eugene>All new stuff really Should(in the RFC sense) be py3. Despite all the bullshit detractors, the tipping point is ocming.
16:59<Eugene>Much like v6
16:59<NewSky>i mean i am going to start with 2 Gb plan test my app then i may need to upgrade to 4 gb ram plan ,, is that possible seamlessly
16:59<Craighton>NewSky: If you're upgrading server resources you'll need it to restart the server
17:00<Craighton>You wouldn't pull out your hard drive in your computer and replace it while it's still on would you?
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17:01<zifnab>they also keep servers of same sizes on same hosts, so your VM gets migrated to a different host when you upgrade
17:01<phuh>Anybody knows how to do this in Bash? It shows autocomplete ahead of time
17:01<NewSky>No i am not :) ,, ok how much time does it take to do the upgrade
17:01<m0unds>it's easier to spin up a 4GB instance and clone your stuff to it, then test without disrupting your 2gb one (assuming you're on hourly billing)
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17:02<Eugene>Craighton - you'd be surprised what you can do to a running computer hard-drive.
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17:02<sirpengi>NewSky: usually in the order of a few minutes
17:02<phuh>someone told me it's Fish
17:02<sirpengi>NewSky: assuming you have your server set up that all the proper services restart on reboot
17:02<zifnab>phuh: thats cool
17:02<phuh>yeah it is
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17:03<zifnab>i don't know if its enough to get me to migrate away form bash
17:03<sirpengi>i can't ever get away from bash
17:03<phuh>i hoped it was some feature plugin to bash
17:04<Craighton>everyone always sticks with what they know
17:04<NewSky>Great, thanks for answers.
17:04<sirpengi>Craighton: it's not what I know, it's what's available on machines I possibly log into. bash is common denominator
17:04<synapt>What's the status on london linodes? Still backed up?
17:06<phuh>With NodeBalancers, can i forward tcp using public ip?
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17:07<@qmr>Your NodeBalancer communicates with backend Linodes over the private network.
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17:07<phuh>qmr you don't want us to use other providers :(
17:08<mwalling>sounds like a conspiracy
17:08<phuh>can i forward from one datacenter to another though?
17:08<@qmr>Your NodeBalancer communicates with backend Linodes over the private network.
17:09<phuh>private network is connected across linode datacenters?
17:09<mwalling>phuh: private ip's aren't routable outside of the local datacenter
17:09<@qmr>Private. Non routable. (no)
17:09<mwalling>phuh: theres nothing stopping you from spinning up a node and using haproxy
17:09<phuh>if i want to geographically load balance, what should i do?
17:10<phuh>(with NodeBalancers)
17:10<mwalling>dns round robin and a lot of booze
17:10<phuh>mwalling: yeah i'm looking into that option too. not sure how easy it is
17:10<mwalling>its probably hard, which is why linode offers nodebalancers for the 80% case
17:11<phuh>dns-level load balancing right?
17:12<phuh>and someone told me here few days ago that i could go beyond 10,000 connection limit by having more loadbalancer instances. do i need to use dns round robin technique there too?
17:13<phuh>when i heard about it, i thought I would set up something like Client -> LB1 -> LB2 -> ...
17:13<@qmr>bytes come in from the internet and go out to the LAN. you cannot stack NodeBalancers. You can have several with DNS RR
17:14<rnowak>it depends on how clever your client application is -- there are other options than dns round robin
17:14<phuh>rnowak: such as client knowing where to connect?
17:15<rnowak>depending on how much complexity you want to add, if they are persistent connections, you can ask clients to reconnect elsewhere etc if/when needed and whatnot -- all that will require more logic in the client, though
17:15<phuh>Does Linode's DNS Manager offer the round robin feature too?
17:15<phuh>rnowak: yeah that makes sense
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17:18<mwalling>do you *really* need super HA for your cat blog?
17:20<mwalling>sorry, your photo documentary of feline companionship?
17:20<zifnab>obv needs HA
17:20*Perihelion slaps mwalling around a bit with a large cactus
17:21<@qmr>phuh: it's not a special feature, it just means multiple A/AAAA records
17:22<phuh>Ansible team is looking for a maintainer of its Linode module. Why can't one of the gurus with @ symbol here take over
17:22<zifnab>ie: when you connect to oftc, you probably connected to 'irc.oftc.tld'
17:22<zifnab>which then points to server1.oftc.tld and server2.oftc.tld and serverN.oftc.tld
17:22<zifnab>your client randomly selects one
17:23<phuh>i see. I didn't know that's what happened in the background
17:23<mwalling>there are more magical methods too
17:24<rnowak>zifnab: or oftc runs on a single server, easier without the netsplits etc
17:24<mwalling>but rarely needed for catblogs
17:24<zifnab>but if a server dies, then their whole net goes down
17:24<dozn>what the F
17:24<rnowak>zifnab: yeah just gotta make sure it doesn't
17:24<zifnab>do /links
17:24<dozn>How could this cat _only_ win 76% of the time?
17:24<rnowak>zifnab: do /whois rnowak
17:24<zifnab>rnowak: oO
17:25<zifnab>hello oper
17:25<rnowak>mwalling: I will kill you
17:25<zifnab>please don't murder us all
17:25<mwalling>zifnab: oftc-dns polls the servers every minute to verify up-ness, and it tries to balance traffic based on connections to each node
17:25<phuh>nobody interested in taking over the ansible's linode module?
17:25<rnowak>it does geo stuff too
17:25<zifnab>mwalling: heh, i figured there's fancier things at play
17:25<zifnab>i was just throwing it out as an example
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17:26<@qmr>no, I did not see anyone apply in the last 3 minutes
17:26<phuh>where is love
17:26<zifnab>not here
17:26<dozn>Love requires money
17:26<mwalling>phuh: sounds like you should
17:26*Nivex curses Perihelion's name for invoking a rabbit-hole (procatinator)
17:26<phuh>i thought #linode is a place with full of love
17:26<mwalling>zifnab: the fancy is posted on our github
17:26<rnowak>this place is full of something, but it ain't love
17:27<dozn>phuh: we spent all our money on electronics, so no love.
17:27<mwalling>zifnab: its Twisted
17:27*mwalling shudders
17:27<Nivex>love is a wonderful thing, but it doesn't pay the mortgage.
17:27<phuh>how many gurus are working at linode?
17:27<rnowak>how about ninjas and rockstars?
17:27<@Perihelion>We prefer to think of ourselves as people
17:27<rnowak>that's a bit of a discriminating question
17:27<phuh>about 20 that are on irc, that's it?
17:27<phuh>maybe 30
17:28<Nivex>I'm a ninja rockstar. I'm so good you can't see me.
17:28<@qmr>phuh: do you have any other information about what they are looking for help with?
17:28<dozn>Is it just me, or is the font they use for terminal examples the ugliest thing in the world?
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17:29<zifnab>linode's using coldfusion
17:29<mwalling>zifnab: you realize linode is what, 11 years old?
17:29<zifnab>i thought coldfusion died
17:29<Nivex>FWIW I'm about a 20 minute drive from Ansible NC
17:29<phuh>qmr: , ,
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17:29<@jchen>phuh: ?
17:30<phuh>qmr: the last one says they are focusing on your competitors (EC2 and Rackspace)
17:30<@jchen>phuh: pro tip, check out who opened those issues
17:31<mwalling>thats because ec2 and rackspace have shitty apis?
17:31<staticsafe>dat email address
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17:31<zifnab>i'm still trying to think of a creative email for
17:31<@Perihelion>You know nothing jonsowman
17:31<Nivex>just need to get the nodebalancers able to talk v6 on the backend then there wouldn't be a need for private v4 addresses anymore
17:32<mwalling>zifnab: i have you beat.
17:32<mwalling>zifnab: i own
17:32<@Perihelion>(Hopefully jonsowman watches GoT and gets the joke :3)
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17:32<phuh>what's up with linode's all capitalized keys api return data?
17:32<@jchen>M0JSN: make up ur mind lel
17:32<@jchen>phuh: not sure how that's relevant
17:32<@jchen>since it's case insensitive
17:32<mwalling>phuh: it looks like you should maintain it, since you opened PRs for all of those issues.
17:33<phuh>i didn't open them
17:33<staticsafe>jchen opened the PRs
17:33<@jchen>i didnt open the PR
17:33<@jchen>just the issue
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17:33<Nivex>I didn't take the cookie from the cookie jar!
17:33<@jchen>i plan on contributing to the linode module, just need to find the time
17:33<rnowak>./svsnick jchen dabestmayne time mwalling?
17:33<mwalling>staticsafe: reading comprehensino for 100, alex
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17:34<mwalling>rnowak: yes
17:34<@tparker>i shot the issue, but i didn't shoot no pull request
17:34<hristo>I have a question: Is the load-balancing and SSL-termination add-on included in the price for the each paln, or is it something I need to buy additionally
17:34<mwalling>rnowak: /kill me so i work on my term paper
17:35<@qmr>hristo: NodeBalancers are $20 per month, as stated on or site
17:35<rnowak>mwalling: I can't do that, we need the mwalling
17:35<@Perihelion>wtb oline
17:35<mwalling>write my term paper then
17:35<phuh>jchen: do it
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17:51<linoder>hey linoders, i'm trying to update longview, but the instructions on don't work. the package linode-longview wasn't installed when i ran the curl installer, and when i try to install linode-longview, i get a dependency error for libmysqlclient
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17:52<NickA>install libmysqlclient maybe?
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17:52<@akerl>linoder: Put the error in a pastebin?
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17:52<linoder>i've got cpanel installed on this linode, and it has installed cpanel-mysql, so i'm a little reluctant to install mysql myself as well.
17:53<zifnab>i lied, that link seems to have died
17:54<@jchen>you want linode-longview-cpanel if you're using cpanel
17:54<@jchen>however, i dont think cpanel is supported anymore for longview
17:54<@akerl>linoder: Your difficulty is arising because cpanel does jank things to your system packages
17:55<linoder>is it possible to use longview on a system with cpanel?
17:55<dozn>everything is possible
17:55<linoder>dozn, that is the most helpful thing i'm sure you've said to anyone today
17:56<@akerl>That's a question you'd be better off asking cPanel. We ship code that works using the actual distro packages. cPanel chooses to ship their own custom packages that conflict with those packages and don't work with longview
17:56<@Perihelion>wtb cpanel module
17:56<dozn>linoder, I'm sure that's the best question you've asked today as well =)
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17:56<linoder>dozn, of course not, i've asked many better questions today
17:56<@akerl>the linode-longview-cpanel package was our attempt to cooperate with cpanel despite its active attempts to make things not work, and we stopped supporting it when it became clear that was not a viable path
17:57<linoder>akerl, so the fact that i've installed it from the curl-based package and it's working so far doesn't suggest that i should keep trying to use it, or update it?
17:57<@jchen>akerl: but vendoring everything is the best way to go
17:57<@akerl>linoder: What?
17:57<@jchen>linoder: just because it sorta works now does not suggest it'll work in teh future
17:58<@akerl>You installed the -cpanel version when we still had hope that cPanel would play nice. It will not. If you want it to continue working, you'll either need to switch to the linode-longview package and fight with cpanel yourself, install longview from source and manage your own deps, or convince cpanel's devs to play nice
17:59<@akerl>In order of least to most pain, I'd likely rank those B, A, C
17:59<linoder>akerl, awesome, thanks, that gives me something useful i can tell the client (and then i'll let them decide if it's worth it to them to pay for it)
18:03<NickA>there is also nodequery if longview wouldnt work
18:03<NickA>the beta is free
18:03<NickA>they do very similar things
18:03<linoder>what's node...awesome
18:04<phuh>i don't need to use LongView anymore !! :D:D:D:D:D
18:05<linoder>nicka, any idea on what the price may eventually be?
18:05<NickA>once it goes out of beta it will stop being free. longview will probably still be cheaper.
18:05<NickA>longview is pretty damn cheap. id be surprised if it was less.
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18:06<linoder>i'm sure if it's less than $50 a month he'd pay for it
18:06<linoder>over that he'd probably have to think about it
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18:08<linoder>well, great, i've shared nodequery with him
18:08<linoder>so it's up to him now
18:09<linoder>and he knows that cpanel+longview is no longer officially supported, and apparently doesn't want to pay for manual installation now
18:09<linoder>so, my work here is done - thanks akerl and jchen!
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18:09<NickA>and NickA
18:10<dozn>Icinga ftw, I still need to try Cacti
18:10<mwalling>and mikegrb
18:10<rnowak>I'd like to thank Perihelion tbh
18:11<mwalling>i'd liek to thank urmom
18:11<mwalling>she and mikegrb made a fine rnowak
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18:11<linbot>rnowak: Yo mommas so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:8/1) [ourmm]
18:11<dozn>mwalling: That's not what she told me last night
18:12<dozn>mwalling: She's still unhappy that rnowak hasn't left the house >_>
18:12<rnowak>dozn: who are you again?
18:12<dozn>rnowak: Your mom's lover, how was I not clear about that?
18:15<jed>I think we should all take five minutes out of our day
18:15<jed>and behold:
18:15<@Perihelion>Is this worth stopping Def Leppard for?
18:15<@Perihelion>I think you're lying to me
18:16<dozn>Something _actually_ worth stopping Def Leppard for:
18:16<dozn>Play the first two tracks from the first album at the top
18:16<dozn>and enjoy the ride =)
18:18<@Perihelion>Yes I do
18:18<dozn>I've been addicted to Haywyre since I found out about him a few weeks back, and have enticed some friends as well
18:18<@Perihelion>especially you
18:18*jed repeats Crocodile Chop for the 15th time
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18:36<Penises>URBAN SOMBRERO!
18:36<robthefrog>Hi guys, I have a question about the new plans
18:36<robthefrog>Is there a way to upgrade my vps hardware to what the new plans have (thinking SSDs)
18:37<synapt>robthefrog: If you mean like upgrade from a 1GB linode to the new 2GB, you should have an "Upgrade" button in your dashboard for each linode you have
18:38<robthefrog>Lemme check that out
18:38<synapt>I think Tokyo linodes though still have like a week or two wait
18:39<robthefrog>hrrm, I'm not in tokyo
18:39<robthefrog>ahh upgrades are sold out
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18:42<robthefrog>What did you mean by Tokyo linodes ?
18:42<dozn>The Linodes in the Tokyo location
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18:48<trippeh>upgrades sold out? cloud is not infinite? just servers???
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18:49<dozn>butt's are definitely not infinite
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18:57<robthefrog>trippeh, I thought that the cloud was an endless space of parallel universii
18:58<robthefrog>boy was I wrong hur hurhur
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19:50<PetChance>Hey all -- anyone here?
19:51<PetChance>Perfect! Was hoping to talk to myself. ;p
19:51<PetChance>I was wondering about linode Node Balancers.
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19:51<PetChance>I have not yet tried it - haven't even created an account yet.
19:52<Josh`> <-- best hello world?
19:52<PetChance>If I have a system running a web app with multiple instances on different ports (ex. 8091, 8092, etc.) ... can a Linode Node Balancer point SSL-terminated connections to any of those ports on a single box?
19:52<PetChance>Or does it only point to separate boxes?
19:53<MajObviousman>Josh`: no
19:53<MajObviousman>not the best
19:55<dwfreed>the best hello world is written purely in whitespace
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19:56<danblack>PetChance: my impression was it could. What are you trying to acheive with a Node Balance in this configuraton though?
19:57<PetChance>Thanks danblack. Trying to allow us to run 3-4 app servers behind an SSL-terminated load balancer without having to have a separate instance/box for each app server.
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19:58<danblack>are you making it easier to update change an app at a time?
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19:58<sir_bottington>Hi. I'm attempting to migrate to a 64-bit disk image from a 32-bit disk image, but I don't see a way to copy files over from one disk image to the other...
19:59<PetChance>No. But some "long running" operations (like sending email) exist in our app, so trying to spread the work across multiple apps so people don't have to wait as long.
19:59<PetChance>(Yes, we should use MQ or SMTP/mail service. We will eventually.)
19:59<danblack>yes, yes, you should :-)
20:00<danblack>are you app is single threaded? or not that many threads?
20:00<danblack>s/are you/and your/
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20:01<PetChance>They are Webrick (RoR) servers. So single-threaded (I think)
20:01<mwalling>sir_bottington: you'll need finnix for that
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20:01<mwalling>!library finnix
20:01<linbot>mwalling: 1. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS - | 2. Recovering from a System Compromise - | 3. How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) -
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20:02<mwalling>sir_bottington: all of those suck. basically, there's a button for finnix in the rescue tab. its a live cd for your linode
20:02<danblack>PetChance: you could also use nginx with a configuration of backends
20:03<sir_bottington>alright. i'll check it out. thanks!
20:03<PetChance>danblack - you MUST be right about that. Just got that advice from a friend too! :)
20:03<PetChance>So I'll have to learn more about that now. THANKS!
20:04<danblack>btw two people on the internet saying the same thing doens't absolutely mean its the truth :-p
20:04<PetChance>Ya - understood. BUT I had heard of it before... and one of them is not "on the internet" - he's a trusted advisor.
20:04<PetChance>(And CTO)
20:05<PetChance>So you're in good company, sir.
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20:06<PetChance>And I think this might also add some credibility: " Netflix, Hulu, Pinterest, CloudFlare, Airbnb,, GitHub, SoundCloud, Zynga, Eventbrite, Zappos, Media Temple, Heroku, RightScale, Engine Yard and MaxCDN"
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20:07<MajObviousman>hey look it's a list of vendors that all do a thing
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20:07<PetChance>Thanks again - have a great (day/night/overnight/whatever)!
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21:16<HoopyCat>attn linode: if i just opened a ticket asking to cancel the kitty composting service because our cats are dumb, let me know. i'm kinda tired and was sending two communications at once
21:18<linbot>New news from forum: Help me choose my plan in Performance and Tuning <>
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22:21<lagger>hello i am a noob and trying to have my nginx server listen on port 3000 instead of 8080, i am on ubuntu with linode
22:22<lagger>if anyone would be so kind to point me in the right direction i would be ever so grateful
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22:49<linbot>New news from forum: Help me choose my plan in Performance and Tuning <>
22:52<Eugene>Buttcoin miner? ^ :v trololo
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23:01<phuh>How do you make a load balancing layer zero downtime?
23:02<mwalling>define zero downtime
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23:03<phuh>putting load balancer in front of web servers allow us to take some servers down and swap them without worrying about downtime
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23:04<rnowak>is there a question somewhere there?
23:04<mwalling>yes, the load balancer will, assuming your backend is set up to handle it, allow you to seamlessly drop a node out of rotation for maintenance
23:05<phuh>what about load balancer? how can i reboot or replace the load balancer server without having a downtime for the users?
23:05<mwalling>you're paying linode for that
23:05<phuh>i am
23:06<phuh>but if i use haproxy or something, what technique is there?
23:06<mwalling>you could have 2 haproxy's running, using multiple A records in DNS to split traffic between them
23:06<phuh>sorry for my noob question. but it's real question
23:06<mwalling>you're going pretty advanced for what most people who dont hire overpaid consultants do
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23:07<rnowak>it is a blog isn't it?
23:08<phuh_>i'm a newbie trying to learn
23:08<mwalling>learn then, don't ask us
23:08<mwalling>i'm pulling my answers out of my ass from the little experimentation i've done
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23:09<Nivex>this is the corner pub. the library's down the street.
23:09<mwalling>^^ this
23:09<mwalling>also Nivex will verify that you have AAAA records before you can play darts
23:09<phuh_>sorry for ruining your pub time
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23:09<mwalling>phuh_: its all good... hey, go to the library and come back when you figure it out, you could be the resident expert
23:10<mwalling>personally, i don't even run a caching plug in on my wordpress.
23:10<phuh_>what's the best library for these things?
23:10<linbot>New news from forum: Help me choose my plan in Performance and Tuning <>
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23:10<Nivex>look on the bulletin board outside (Google)
23:10<mwalling>phuh_: no clue, but i'd start circling the haproxy tag or something related on stackoverflow or serverfault
23:11<rnowak>when no one visits it, even wordpress does well
23:11<mwalling>^^ this
23:11<mwalling>also i'm doing a half marathon in september
23:11<rnowak>how do you know someone does [half a] marathoning?
23:11<mwalling>they tell you about it
23:12<Nivex>mwalling: all the IPv4 beer is gone. There's this new IPv6 beer but everyone's afraid to try it.
23:12<mwalling>Nivex: prolly super hoppy
23:12<phuh_>Some people love to try the new beer but they don't know how to drink it
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23:12<rnowak>pour it down the drain, it doesn't deserve better
23:13<Nivex>There's a few people over in the corner nursing their last dram with everyone else eyeing them suspisciously.
23:14<rnowak>Nivex: is this the ipv6 beer bottle label?
23:15<Nivex>Perihelion: movvak is stealing your line.
23:15<phuh_>mwalling: why the "18" ?
23:16<mwalling>phuh_: because it used to redirect to id 18
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23:19<phuh_>linode manager says "No open slots for this plan!"
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23:20<phuh_>TX and NY
23:20<praetorian>i know there was a place that was awaiting new hardware.
23:20<praetorian>ah seems like more.
23:20<m0unds>i got that on TX and FMT earlier
23:20<phuh_>does this happen a lot?
23:21<mwalling>32 bit?
23:21<phuh_>started to hate linode
23:21<m0unds>does that still work?
23:21<mwalling>it broke
23:21<m0unds>was gonna say
23:21<praetorian>avail went away.
23:21<mwalling>praetorian: so did urmom
23:21<m0unds>i just used atlanta for my test
23:21<m0unds>oh shiiii
23:21<phuh_>why doesn't linode want to make money?
23:21<James>they removed the request for it
23:21<praetorian>mwalling: she did
23:22<praetorian>but then i havent seen her in 3 months :p
23:22<James>phuh_: because they're upgrading all existing hosts, and new customers have taken up any free slots
23:22<James>phuh_: doesn't happen often
23:22<phuh_>how long do you think it will take?
23:22<mwalling>phuh_: you realize there are physical limitations to how fast you can rack servers, right?
23:22<mwalling>fedex only drives so fast
23:23<mwalling>even custom critical, those guys can only go the speedlimit
23:23<rnowak>do they also only take left turns in dense traffic conditions?
23:23<rnowak>or was it right?
23:23<Nivex>I find it odd that caker wouldn't have planned for this growth. Sounds like a glitch in the matrix.
23:23<mwalling>Nivex: or a mass exedus from DO?
23:23<mwalling>its all those HN twerps
23:23<James>mwalling: that sounds highly likely
23:24<Nivex>what did DO do now?
23:24<mwalling>(when in doubt blame HN)
23:24<phuh_>mwalling: i'm one of them
23:24<James>had a few people coming in here saying they were ditching DO
23:24<James>Nivex: same price point
23:24<phuh_>aws has no issue like this right?
23:24<James>for a 2G node
23:24<mwalling>phuh_: i've hit availability restrictions in AWS
23:24<James>aws is more expensive
23:24<Nivex>AWS has plenty of other issues
23:25<James>Nivex: and local storage doesn't persist across reboots, right? :P
23:25*mwalling buys spot instances for $work
23:25<rnowak>if you need more than a handful of servers, you also have to write to them and beg to be allowed more :>
23:25*phuh_ wants a linode instance
23:25<James>rnowak: that part pissed me off
23:25<James>phuh_: tried fremont?
23:25<phuh_>too far
23:25<linbot>Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB.
23:25<rnowak>James: you wouldn't need more than the basic allowance :>
23:25<mwalling>phuh_: ^^ fremont is well connected
23:26<James>rnowak: i've got a -$20 balance and counting...
23:26<mwalling>crow flys != packets race
23:26<phuh_>mwalling: too far from my DO instances in US East
23:26<James>phuh_: it's low latency
23:26<mwalling>phuh_: internet far or driving a car far?
23:26<rnowak>that's right, they take the pigeon paths
23:26<phuh_>driving internet far
23:26<mwalling>station wagon full of tapes?
23:26<rnowak>markov bot?
23:27<Nivex>♫ Rollin rollin rollin, keep them packets rollin'... ♫
23:27*mwalling <3 markov monte carlo problems
23:28<phuh_>all US datacenters are running out of slots
23:28<phuh_>london works
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23:28<phuh_>i guess i should go to DO
23:29<m0unds>i see the logic here
23:29<James>phuh_: 71ms to NY2
23:29<James>That's under 100ms
23:29<mwalling>it takes me 71ms to get to my gateway
23:30<phuh_>1-2 ms from DO US-East
23:30<m0unds>mwalling: 56flex modem?
23:30<phuh_>way to far for me
23:30<mwalling>m0unds: wet amplifier
23:30<mwalling>and overdriven signal
23:30<rnowak>blogs need max 20ms latencies, all experts agree
23:30<James>why do you need 2ms
23:30<mwalling>rnowak: 18 for cute kittens
23:31<phuh_>i host DB servers on Linode, web servers on DO
23:31<James>put the whole stack on linode?
23:31<phuh_>that's my goal
23:31<phuh_>slowly moving.. but linode stopped me
23:31<phuh_>my money is no good here
23:32<m0unds>i'll give you my linodes for $$
23:32*mwalling thinks phuh_ is being a little dramatic
23:32*phuh_ thinks linode is discriminating noobs
23:33<Nivex>File a support ticket and ask why you can't create nodes.
23:33<phuh_>i know why.. i'm a noob
23:33<m0unds>sounds legit
23:33<mwalling>and please make sure you tell them they're discriminating against you
23:33<Nivex>Bonus points if you include a link to a Fry "Shut up and take my money!" image
23:33<phuh_>they must be reading this, no?
23:33<rnowak>speaking of fry
23:33<phuh_>they don't like noobs...
23:34<Nivex>if an op hasn't popped up yet, they're probably all asleep
23:34<phuh_>my $$ is turning their way back to DO
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23:35<phuh_>(at least for now)
23:35<phuh_>mwalling: where is love
23:36<mwalling>apparently your love is still with DO and this is a grand troll
23:36<m0unds>mwalling: lesser troll
23:36<mwalling>which i'm only engaging in as a distraction from writing a term paper
23:36<dcraig>mwalling? more like mwriting
23:36<phuh_>i'm in the process of moving to linode
23:36<m0unds>gud 1
23:37<rnowak>u wot
23:39<phuh_>this is actually a great website
23:39<phuh_>i wonder how they're load balancing it.
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23:41<mwalling>may it be known that Perihelion is a thief
23:42<Nivex>who's the paladin?
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23:44<@Perihelion>I accept
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