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---Logopened Sun May 04 00:00:56 2014
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00:13<acald3ron>i cannot ping my linode !
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00:13<acald3ron>nevermind ! :p
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00:24<praetorian>anyone here use chef?
00:25<Debolaz>Thank god no.. :P
00:25<praetorian>why do oyu say that?
00:27<Debolaz>Because although it's not quite as likely to make you insane as puppet, it most certainly makes a good effort.
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00:28<Eugene><3 Salt
00:28<Debolaz><3 Salt
00:28<@akerl>Debolaz: What don't you like about puppet?
00:28<James><3 akerl
00:29<Debolaz>akerl: I'm not sure I have time for a comprehensive list... Let's start with the utterly insane configuration file syntax that takes weeks to learn, where absolutely nothing is intuitive.
00:29<jed>instead of puppet, I just prefer to buy a courthouse and annex
00:29<jed>it's always a good idea to have enough gold to buy when you capture
00:30<praetorian>your /z 25
00:32<Debolaz>akerl: The experience is a little bit like a recent M Night Shamalyon (Or however you spell it) movie. It's not just a twist ending anymore, nothing really makes sense at all anymore, and even when you get to the ending, you still feel disappointed.
00:32<@akerl>I appreciate your flare for metaphor, but as yet you've not given any concrete examples
00:33<praetorian>Salt doesn't fit my usecase.
00:34<Eugene>I really have nothing against Puppet/Chef per se; I'm more of a Ruby hater. Salt happens to be Python. I like Python.
00:34<Debolaz>akerl: Let's take inheritance. The behavior of inheritance is fairly well established in most languages. There are variations of how it works, but it's more or less the same deal. Then, there's the new and improved Puppet way of doing inheritance, which is evaluated in reverse order, ensuring you will spend at least an hour trying to figure out why the parameters aren't being evaluated.
00:35<praetorian>i like python too, i know no ruby
00:36<Debolaz>The solution to this? Hiera. I'm not entirely sure what hiera is because I stopped before I got to that point. What I do know is that it has a mountain of documentation to describe how it works, including at least one full size book.
00:36<@akerl>As someone who read the docs and learned to use hiera and enjoyed it enough that I used it even for non-puppet tasks, I'll have to disagree about its difficulty
00:37<praetorian>so, in summary, no one knows chef?
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00:39<Debolaz>akerl: And if you can make sense of puppet and even enjoy it; Great. But, that's not really going to change my experience or my extremely negative view of puppet.
00:40<Debolaz>It's not userfriendly. Not in the least.
00:41<Eugene>praetorian - Bork bork bork
00:43<praetorian>Eugene: no, i've got work to do
00:43<praetorian>it's 8:43am on a sunday, and im at work
00:43<Eugene>That's unfortunate
00:43<praetorian>it's a work day.
00:43<praetorian>don't assume.
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00:47<Eugene>Holy shit, I knew EBS sucked at I/O, but I didn't realize how badly
00:47<Eugene>Copying at <10MB/s to instance storage. :-(
00:48<praetorian>if you want speed, pay for the provioned iops.
00:48<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
00:48<Eugene>On a Spot Instance? Surely you jest.
00:48<praetorian>well don't complain then :)
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00:51<dcraig>but it's fun to complain
00:53<Debolaz>And it takes so little effort. :)
00:53<Eugene>Clearly i was speaking of Linode's benefit over a real "cloud"
00:53<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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00:54<Eugene>More like "lol FIPS"
00:54<dwfreed>if they're looking for FIPS compliance, they really should skip nodebalancers
00:55<dwfreed>because, you know, giving your private key to a third party is really a good idea...
00:55<Eugene>Tell that to security audiots
00:55<Eugene>I'm happy with that typo
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00:59<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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01:02<Eugene>Looks like i have to rebuild as a native Instance-Store image :-/
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01:06<Eugene>Ugh I give up. Tomorrow.
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01:15<James>woo! nginx 1.6 stable!
01:15<James>guess that means spdy/3.1 for the masses
01:16<dwfreed>welcome to like 2 weeks ago?
01:16<James>i missed the announcement
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01:16<James>now can i bug linode to put nginx 1.6 on all the things?
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01:18<Meyer^>James: On all the things?
01:18<James>Meyer^: main website + linode manager and all the NB's
01:19<Meyer^>James: Ah
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01:38<Debolaz>James: Will that give the NBs keepalive support in HTTP mode? :)
01:38<James>no idea
01:38<James>they'd be able to configure them to use spdy on https termination
01:39*Debolaz would really love keepalive support in HTTP mode. :P
01:40<Debolaz>Because it has a fairly significant impact on the user experience.
01:41<@akerl>Keepalives are explicitly disabled because they do have a significant impact on user experience: in a lot of situations, they make it much worse
01:42<@akerl>TCP mode won't modify keepalives, if your situation isn't one of those
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01:43<Debolaz>True, they make the experience with some typical apache setups, which can only deal with a limited amount of concurrent connections, worse. But the lack of them punishes everyone else who uses sane webservers. :P
01:44<rnowak>it has little to do with "webservers"
01:44<Debolaz>Which is why I switched over to TCP mode. But TCP mode hides the originating IP, which is annoying for stats plugins for various webapps.
01:45*James wonders what type of person/organisation would benifit from "NGINX Plus"
01:45<Debolaz>James: The same kind who needs it to be 20% cooler.
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01:46<rnowak>James: presumably the organisations that benefit from it
01:47<Debolaz>rnowak: Alright, you got me, it has to do with pixies and their dust. :P
01:47<dwfreed>hmm, I wonder how nginx would like logging to a pipe
01:48<dwfreed>one would hope just fine
01:48<rnowak>Debolaz: you seem to be saying that apache can't handle decent amount of concurrent connections, at least your comment seems to be calling it insane
01:48<Debolaz>rnowak: Some typical apache setups.
01:48<dwfreed>not really apache's fault
01:48<Debolaz>rnowak: apache 2.2 with mod_php for instance.
01:49<rnowak>"with mod_php"
01:49<dwfreed>there are plenty of apache configurations (including ones that use PHP) that do not have that problem
01:49<Debolaz>dwfreed: And that is completely irrelevant to my point. :)
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01:50<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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02:00<jsharkey>is super slow for anyone else?
02:01<James>super mega slow
02:01<jsharkey>i can deal with slow and mega slow, but i draw the line at super mega slow ;)
02:03<James>oh man finally the login prompt showed up
02:04<buhman>oh, that
02:04<James>it's not doing anything
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02:04<James>ddos in dallas?
02:05<linbot>Think something is wrong? Check out
02:06<James>i can't submit a ticket about it being slow
02:06<James>what do :P
02:06<buhman>complain on irc
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02:15<James>buhman: site is slow :p
02:16<Peng>so helpful
02:16<buhman>James: k
02:16<jsharkey>well, fwiw i was finally able to get stuff done on the site; it took about ~60 sec for every page to load
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02:17<Peng>it must be dial-up remembrance day at Linode
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02:19<buhman>are we talking about actual slow transfer rates, or request processing times?
02:20<Peng>I should clarify -- I'm not poking around the manager right now
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02:22<nici>i hate uverse.
02:23<nici>i get 10-20% packet loss and they are like 'well our internet is not guaranteed to work'
02:23<nici>no shit sherlock
02:23<dwfreed>loads fine for me :P
02:24<nici>killing bosses in diablo is hard when your shit cuts out randomly
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02:24<nici>'oh, you wanted to step out of the green stuff?'
02:25<jed>subject: [Trouble] packet loss post CPE
02:25<jed>body: mtrs
02:25<nici>i posted to dslreports at&t forum and i got escalated to some magic help desk
02:25<nici>and he was like 'gee i don't know what it could be'
02:25<nici>'let me call you back tuesday'
02:26<nici>one guy from the presidents office was like 'oh, there are two people in your house trying to play diablo at the same time? that's not going to work'
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02:26*nici shakes head
02:26<nici>yea i posted MTRs and the guy i was talking to was like 'you might want to try nmap'
02:27<nici>i was like 'you want me to port scan things?'
02:28<nici>so it might be back to the cable providers for me
02:28<nici>which sucks...
02:30<dwfreed>my internet isn't cheap, but when I'm using it I generally don't have issues
02:31<buhman>nici: wat
02:32<dwfreed>when it is having issues, I just find something else to do, because by the time I get to somebody with half a brain in customer service, it will have been fixed anyway
02:32<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
02:32<dwfreed>Peng: IE6 only supports TLS 1.0 if you explicitly turn it on
02:33<dwfreed>Peng: grandma isn't going to know how to do that
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02:34<nici>yea it's been going on for like 3 weeks now
02:35<purrdeta>my family is strangely enraged about them ceasing support for Windows XP. Like so enraged they want to get Macs...
02:35<nici>but uverse... everyone i talk to tries to make the issue my fault
02:35<nici>wow purrdeta
02:35<purrdeta>dwfreed: I really don't get it. Win7 isn't that bad but they are SO mad.
02:35<nici>it's not like they are making anyone use windows 8
02:36<purrdeta>I personally like Windows 8.1. But I realize I am not the normal person :P
02:36<purrdeta>You can still buy computers with Win7 too
02:36<James>buhman: site is no longer slow
02:36<nici>i think 8.1 is a vast improvement
02:36<James>nici: same
02:37<@mdc>If you bypass the whole metro tile interface thing, it's very similar to 7 but seems a bit more stable.
02:37<James>mdc: plus the Win+X menu on 8 is super useful
02:37<rnowak>8.1 update 1 service pack 1 upgrade 1 will be even nicer
02:37<rnowak>perhaps they will just call it 8.2.
02:37<Peng>dwfreed: Yeah, I didn't know that. I was hoping some service pack turned it on automatically or something.
02:37<James>they were going to make 8.2
02:37<James>but decided to make 9
02:38<rnowak>they are making a large update, whatever they end up calling it
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02:38<@mdc>Also, Start8 seems to provide very useful win7 style start menu with a button.
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02:38<rnowak>a new start menu will be 'back'
02:38<@mdc>James: I've not used the Win+X menu.. What does it provide?
02:39<rnowak>not that I understand the obsession with the start menu/screen debacle, I for one don't stare at either any significant amount of time
02:40<rnowak>aka the start button right-click/context menu
02:40<dwfreed>rnowak: it's more people getting buttmad about winblows breaking their flow
02:40<@mdc>rnowak: I find myself using it mostly to run a program. If only there was something as awesome as Alfred for windows.
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02:40<rnowak>dwfreed: they should grow up, as should people calling it winblows
02:40<rnowak>mdc: win button -> start typing -> ???
02:41<James>dwfreed: i got on 7 after a long time using 8 and got frustrated
02:41<@mdc>rnowak: That's how I use it, yes. But Alfred does so much more. I made a shortcut for sending keys to pianobar. Super easy music controls without moving the mouse.
02:41<rnowak>mdc: nod
02:43<dwfreed>mdc: would be better if it was simple to hook into play/pause/prev/next keys on the keyboard, but no, Apple won't let you do that >.>
02:43<@mdc>dwfreed: Yeah, but there's more than just those functions in pianobar.
02:44<dwfreed>mdc: sure, thumbs up/thumbs down, etc.; was mainly thinking just for play/pause/next keys, which would be even faster
02:45<rnowak>np, just hook the keyboard driver like is commonly done on windows, no one will mind
02:45<@mdc>It's only slightly faster but it's just far enough away from my fingers that using the Alfred shortcuts is far more convenient.
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03:15<linbot>New news from forum: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Hash Sum mismatch in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
03:15<Peng>watch Peng reply to two-week-old forum threads because Peng hasn't read the forum in two weeks
03:16<James>do it again
03:16<James>i dares ya
03:16<James>i never did tell the people of the thread who snapped it up
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03:17<Peng>maybe in a few minutes, I'm busy
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03:21<Erico>Hello mates, quick q, can linode VPS be upgraded from Linode 2GB to Linode 8GB?
03:23<James>go to resize tab in the manager
03:23<James>(after you've selected the linode)
03:23<Erico>still don;t have an account, thinking of openning one
03:23<Erico>so just a one click upgrade?
03:23<James>yup, your linode will be shut down and migrated to a new host
03:23<James>same ip addresses same data
03:24<Erico>ok thanks
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04:58<linbot>New news from forum: Which distro has the smallest memory footprint on Linode? in General Discussion <>
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05:36<James>tar czvf dozn.tar.gz dozn
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05:43<lakridserne>service James stop
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06:05<praetorian>if only it was that easy
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07:38<linbot>New news from forum: Caker's "stay tuned" for cheaper linodes? in General Discussion <>
07:39<lakridserne>exactly my thought
07:40<sandeep>wheres that comment
07:41<lakridserne>On the blog post announcement of the SSDs
07:42<dozn>I hope they're kept on separate servers
07:42<lakridserne>dozn: Yeah, me too
07:42<lakridserne>dozn: I hope it'll be like it usually is (or was) that each plan has its own servers
07:43<Peng>ah, I missed that
07:43<Peng>lakridserne: I'm uncertain that's true anymore
07:43<dozn>Wow, I forgot about that, heh
07:43<lakridserne>Peng: That's why I said was. I don't know and Linode will not tell, so I'll have to assume
07:44<dozn>I think it's the only solution that keeps everyone happy
07:44<Peng>I'm never happy
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07:45<lakridserne>But it makes sense that it's not like that anymore given the way they have now given a number of cores. It's much better for them to place nodes together because they then don't have to keep a half full 2048 node around along with a 25 % full 4096 - they can place some more nodes together
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08:05<saif>How are you?
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08:51<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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09:08<linbot>New news from forum: Remove 3DES cipher suites for NodeBalancer in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
09:08<lakridserne>Hmm I hope I've configured my bucket policies correctly
09:09<praetorian>i'm already mirrored the contents.
09:10<lakridserne>I also have my S3/Glacier data in other places, I just hope I've set it up in a way, so my script can not delete things from my bucket ;)
09:10<@akerl>Peng: I laughed manically when I ejected RC4 :>
09:12<praetorian>wonder if that is a reference to minecraft
09:12<praetorian>rather than s3.
09:12<lakridserne>HoopyCat: Hah
09:12<HoopyCat>praetorian: i'm pretty sure it predates minecraft, and might even predate S3
09:14<HoopyCat> ... nope, S3 is a few months older
09:14<Peng>akerl: <3
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09:47<Kannkor>Have a website that has been down for around 2 hours. Is this the best place to get assistance?
09:48<lakridserne>I assume the website is hosted @ Linode. In what DC?
09:48<lakridserne>And can you log in to the Linode via lish?
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10:01*dozn assumes Kannkor resolved his issue
10:04<HoopyCat>i can't reach port 80 on, so i'm guessing the web server isn't running
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10:04<HoopyCat>Kannkor: ssh is up, so try sshing into the machine and start the web server
10:06<James>ssh root@hoopycat
10:06<lakridserne>service James start
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10:07<dozn>servuce James stahp
10:07<jnode>Guess I waited too long to upgrade memory in Dallas. Any word when they'll be available again?
10:08<lakridserne>jnode: They are working on it
10:08<James>jnode: p. sure they were sold out within a day
10:08<James>or so
10:08<jnode>I didn't switch from 32-bit kernel in time.
10:08<James>fremont is fine
10:09<jnode>Would rather stay close to home. ;)
10:09<lakridserne>I have Linodes in 4 out of 6 DC's
10:10<jnode>Must make for nice redundant backups.
10:10<lakridserne>jnode: I have backups other places than Linode
10:10<jnode>Of course.
10:11<lakridserne>jnode: 2 Linodes in Newark. Clients. Primary visitor group US. 1 in Fremont. Montiroing and tor. 1 in Dallas. Company website. 1 in London. Shared server with clients
10:11<dozn>Pff, don't have faith in Linode? #NotARealBeliever
10:11<James>service dozn status
10:11<jnode>I'm not that complicated. Just the one box.
10:11<James>[ dozin ]
10:11<jnode>Well, on the 'tubes, at least.
10:12<dozn>* status: started
10:12<lakridserne>service jnode reload
10:12<James>i have two CA vpses with two different hosts
10:13<dozn>James: How are the CPUs on those Cambodia servers?
10:13<dozn>James: Or did you mean Camroon?
10:13<James>lol, california
10:13<jnode>Switched to 64 bit the day they announced upgrades but it wouldn't boot. Had work stuff to do, no time to figure out why. Was all ready for lish this morning but this time it booted fine. Oh well...
10:13<James>for linode
10:14<James>used to have my linode in tokyo
10:14<James>but screw stuffy routing
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10:14<jnode>James: And all the bits taste like fish!
10:14<dozn>Tastes like anime...
10:15<James>1 day till expires
10:15<dozn>James: I'll trade you for
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10:16*lakridserne renews James
10:22<HoopyCat>New York Center, Linode 514808, can you give us a ground speed check?
10:23<HoopyCat>(obligatory reference:
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10:25<fd>i have question
10:25<fd>how much is cost the simple plan ?
10:25<fd>ok, and i get 2 real cpu process or vcpu ?
10:25<HoopyCat>fd: plans start at $20/mo (or $0.03/hr);
10:26<lakridserne>fd: You get access to 2 CPU cores
10:26<fd>dedicated core ?
10:26<fd>or virtual core ?
10:27<James>fd: vcpu, most of the time full access to two cpu cores
10:27<HoopyCat>i do not know if it is a dedicated core; i'm assuming shared unless i hear otherwise (as that was the case prior to last month)
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10:29<fd>what are the diffrence between vcpu to dedicated cpu ?
10:29<James>how much share you get of a core
10:30<James>sometimes "dedicated cpu" is still shared
10:30<James>on vpsed
10:30<James>fd: the linode 2GB cpu is fast, i can compile a kernel in 5 minutes
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10:31<fd>how much visitor my silte can hold approxmitly ?
10:32<lakridserne>Depends on a lot of factors
10:32<James>lots :)
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10:32<fd>can you blocked my server for some reasons ?
10:33<fd>if my traffic is huge or other reasons ?
10:33<dozn>fd: Read the website we linked
10:34<dozn>fd: Read the website before asking questions
10:34<Peng>fd: if you get DDoSed or break the law
10:34<Peng>fd: mostly
10:34<lakridserne>fd: If you are under a DDoS attack large enough to affect other Linodes your IP will be null routed. Apart from that, read the tos. Pretty standard stuff
10:35<Kannkor>dozn - Sorry I had to afk. It's a friends website and he is currently sleeping. So I can't actually ssh into look at it. Anything I try with his domain isn't working, was just hoping to see if there was an outage, or if something needed to be restarted.
10:35<dozn>Kannkor: doesn't seem like it since whoever it was detected that the SSH port was open
10:35<dozn>Kannkor: so you'll have to login via Lish or SSH =/
10:36<lakridserne>Kannkor: There is no outage in Fremont currently
10:36<Kannkor>Okay thanks.
10:37<jnode>Linode is fairly forgiving if you're the victim. Have had a couple abuse complaints, nothing on porpoise. Last one was a virus, they sucked out a user's email PW and were spamming from Brazil. Logs are your friend.
10:37<jnode>Oh, virus was on the user's WS, not the node.
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10:39<fd>how fast is your support when open ticket ?
10:40<lakridserne>usually a few minutes
10:40<HoopyCat>fd: last ticket i opened was a low-priority billing request. opened thursday at 21:07:09 local time, fully resolved by first response at 21:22:00
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10:52<Karrde>I opened a low prio question yesterday, it was responded to in 4 minutes, and answered to my satisfaction within 45
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10:57<Peng>Did they answer at one word a minute?
10:58<HoopyCat>if they can do it in morse, 5 words per minute should give them HF privileges in canada, i believe
11:02<laser`>if they can do it in morse, they get HF privs automatically in the UK, no wpm minimum!
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11:06*lakridserne writes 50 words per minute in morse on the wall
11:08<HoopyCat>i did that once... they don't let me borrow firearms any more, let's just put it that way
11:08<HoopyCat>to say i "communicated with" that horse is to use a rather sanitized definition of "communicate"
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11:49<ed_saturn>guys, got a weird error message from api. I am using linode python SDK of disk.createfromstackscript, and it reponsed "Object not found" error. try use HTTP GET directly with same parameter, no luck. any clue ?
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11:49<@akerl>What is the exact request you're sending, and what is the exact response?
11:50<@caker>is the stackscript copatible with the distribution you're selecting?
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11:50<@caker>(the stackscript needs the distro checked in its config)
11:51<ed_saturn>hummmm .. distro, i never check it before.
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11:51<ed_saturn>caker: you hit the jackpot. my stackscript distro lists are unchecked.
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11:53<ed_saturn>maybe its due to distribution code was changed ? i remember ubuntu 12.04 64 bit is 99, now it's 126
11:53<ed_saturn>caker: thanks!
11:54<@caker>typically, small/point distro upgrades keep the same ID on our end -- if that wasn't the case this time, it was a mistake
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11:57<trippeh>yay 3.14.3-rc
12:00<trippeh>no sign of the a fix for the tun regression
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12:28<trippeh> boots
12:28<@akerl>Does it have the patch?
12:29<trippeh>couple cve's missing too.
12:29<trippeh>fairly minor ones.
12:30<trippeh>but I'm tired of carrying them in my tree ;)
12:32<trippeh>under certain circumstanses it could leak kernel memory contents, yes ;)
12:32<trippeh>locally though, and only if you enabled some specific sysctl
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12:38<trippeh>yay also boots on linode's Xen
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13:00<oobest>hi there, my website had been working with both www and non www, however it is currently not working with, but still works as
13:00<oobest>how can I enable access via www
13:00<@akerl>what's the domain?
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13:01<@akerl>Pastebin the output of `apache2ctl -S`
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13:04<@akerl>So 000-default is the default, and you don't have a virtualhost for
13:05<@akerl>I'd recommend disabling the 000-default site and setting ServerName/ServerAlias in wikimezmur's config to and, respectively
13:05<oobest>ok thanks I'll do that
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13:14*laser` sheepishly hides from typing random letter into wrong window
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13:17<mabrouk-gsm>need help by linode in dns
13:18<@akerl>This is the user community. We do not do official support via IRC
13:19<@akerl>If you have a question, feel free to ask and the community may be able to help
13:19<mabrouk-gsm>okay, pls check ticket 3101886
13:20<mabrouk-gsm>username: mabrouk-gsm
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14:14<HoopyCat>running a 32-bit distro and going for the linode cloud upgrade: #ircastumbler
14:15<Nivex>HoopyCat: you're not dead!
14:17<HoopyCat>Nivex: surprisingly, yes. i don't think i've been conscious to hear a doctor say "oh shit! oh jesus..." before, tho
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14:53<roy>if i want to run many user, what is the most important for me? memory or cpu ?
14:53<@akerl>Depends what the users are doing
14:53<@caker>akerl: they are using ... duh
14:53<roy>the most is query from monogo db and sometimes upload image
14:54<@akerl>roy: What's the resource you bottleneck on there?
14:55<roy>i did not understood you
14:55<roy>please try to expand
14:55<@akerl>Depending on the nature of the queries and what you do when they upload an image, the "most important" resource could be any number of things
14:56<@caker>roy: First deploy your app, let your users use it, and then identify the first bottleneck. Fix the bottleneck, and then the next bottleneck will become apparent. Then you fix that one, and so on ...
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14:56<@akerl>caker: Until one day you have no more work to do, right? :P
14:56<@caker>(or do artifical testing before letting users at it)
14:56<@caker>akerl: exactly!
14:59<roy>ok, so you mean that i will check with some graph what more rxpensive for me cpu or ram, and then i will be more smart
15:00<roy>but in general data base requre more ram or cpu ?
15:00<@akerl>There isn't really an "in general"
15:00<@caker>roy: the most important thing is tuning, no matter how much horsepower or memory you're dealing with
15:01<@akerl>Databases use pretty much everything but the kitchen sink. How much of each thing they use is based on what they're doing
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15:06<roy>if you block my site cause ddos you allow it again just in next 24 h ?
15:08<@akerl>If you get attacked, and the attack affects other customers, we null route your IP until the attack subsides
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15:20<coxn>I'm a little lost in the linode web interface. I've added an account for another person to access one linode (some months ago), and now I've added a new linode
15:20<coxn>and I want to give access to that new linode to the user
15:20<coxn>my searches in the documentation give me generic remote access, securing SSH, etc.
15:21<coxn>and what I want is linode login access management (which users can see/modify which linodes)
15:21<@caker>Account -> Users and Permissions
15:22<coxn>Restricted User -- Yes - this user can only do what I specify
15:22<coxn>okay, that's ticked... now how do I specify things?
15:22<coxn>caker: I had seen that, yes
15:24<@caker>There is a link next to each restricted user - something like: Modify permissions
15:24<@caker>This will only appear for restricted users. If they're unrestricted, they have all perms to all things (including new things)
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15:57<DevePy>Hello, what the difference in 40 Gbit Network In 500 Mbit Network Out.... which is the actual speed at which I tell. I am interested in buying a Linode VPS
15:58<HoopyCat>the maximum throughput from the internet to your linode is 40 Gb/sec, while maximum throughput from your linode to the internet would be 500 Mb/sec (or 0.5 Gb/sec)
16:00<DevePy>so, my users note 500 MB/sec, i'm actually have vps whit 1gbps connect, Linde offers more speed?
16:00<linbot>New news from forum: IP Swap ipv6 in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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16:01<HoopyCat>the maximum throughput from you to the internet would be 500 Mb/sec. it's in megabits, which is not megabytes.
16:02<dwfreed>divide by 8 for megabytes per second
16:02<HoopyCat>500 Mb/sec is half of 1 Gb/sec (500*10^6 vs 1*10^9)
16:04<Eugene>Now you're making me hungry
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16:30<DevePy>Linode error: No open slots for this plan!
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17:06<dimitris5>Hey, anybody from Linode marketing here?
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17:08<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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17:12<dimitris5>I was wondering if Linode is interested in sponsoring open source and non-profit projects
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17:24<dimitris5>thank you
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17:45<linbot>New news from forum: Caker's "stay tuned" for cheaper linodes? in General Discussion <>
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17:52<camycent>whats the feedback?
17:53<camycent>My Server is down can u help me
17:53<@akerl>camycent: Is it booted?
17:53<camycent>was just testing how fast is the rsponse
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17:53<camycent>I didnt signup yet
17:54<camycent>so do I get root access , n reseller WHM here?
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17:55<linbot>New news from forum: Deliver a disk clone to a client? in General Discussion <>
17:57<camycent>i cnt inset 15K if I dnt knw all abt it
17:57<@akerl> <--
17:57<camycent>[03:24] <camycent> so do I get root access , n reseller WHM here?
17:57<@akerl>Did you read the site?
17:58<@akerl>This is the user community, not official support, and we're not here so you can dodge out on reading the homepage
17:58<camycent>Yes , didnt find nethng abt EHM
17:58*akerl nods
17:59<camycent>so 1 way is I get the cloud and buy it myself
17:59<camycent>other way is u provide it along with the purchase
18:01<Peng>Linode doesn't provide WHM for you. You can acquire and install it yourself if you lke.
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18:02<camycent>is it a KVM?
18:02<camycent>or OpenVZ
18:03<camycent>hmm .. ponder .. !
18:03<camycent>k ..
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18:05<camycent>whts the core brust speed
18:05<Peng>There isn't one.
18:05<Peng>That's not how it works.
18:06<Peng>You get full access to the cores, except when you need to share them with other users (which should not be often).
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18:08<HoopyCat>technically speaking, the 2.80 GHz cores on my current host are running at 2800.064 MHz
18:08<Cromulent>I guess he didn't like your answer :)
18:09<HoopyCat>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz
18:09<HoopyCat>cpu MHz : 3590.054
18:10<HoopyCat>[clock frequency intensifies]
18:10<HoopyCat>(that's not a linode, before anyone gets their jimmies rustled)
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18:11<staticsafe>HoopyCat: i7-4770 brofist o/
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18:13<dwfreed>that's sadly extremely common from people connecting from Italy
18:14<HoopyCat>staticsafe: a nice CPU, i gotta say. i think my favorite part is that i haven't had to read the errata sheet or interface exotic buses with it
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20:05<Nightmare>Linode confirmed for inventing time travel machines
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20:06<dwfreed>it's mostly stupidity on dovecot's part; if you need time that is guaranteed to never go backwards, there's CLOCK_MONOTONIC
20:07<@akerl>I figured as soon as I started talking about xen internals, dwfreed would appear :)
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20:08<dwfreed>akerl: to be fair, there's code in the kernel that's supposed to update the hypervisor's "clock" that's fed to guests, the problem is it isn't timed properly, and so doesn't fire
20:09<dwfreed>that particular problem bothered me enough to actually investigate the cause
20:09<@akerl>I vaguely remembered that being a thing. But the end result is the same: relying on the at-boot clock to be perfect isn't a good strategy for daemons
20:09<James>"Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 313 seconds. This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now." epic fail?
20:09<HoopyCat>i can only hope that the existence of things like the raspberry pi will help people get over their overreliance on RTCs
20:10<James>HoopyCat: that at least can take an RTC via the i2c port
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20:10<HoopyCat>James: yeah, if you want to bother
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20:11<James>HoopyCat: for about the price of an RPi apparently :P
20:11<James>one of my arm devices has an RTC on it
20:11<mwhudson>is the thing about free of charge upgrades being delayed on still current?
20:13<dwfreed>the problem with the timing comes from Xen hooking into the existing mechanism to update the RTC every 10 minutes or so after NTP has declared itself synced, which for some RTCs has to be very explicitly timed, and the rescheduling in case of miss is not done correctly
20:14<HoopyCat>mwhudson: seems like it could be relatively accurate
20:14<jorgecastillo>Linode pricing looks awesome & I am wandering if they accept debit cards. I am asking this since I saw no mention of this on the pricing page.
20:14<HoopyCat>mwhudson: does it differ from what you're seeing? (i don't have any un-upgraded nodes, myself)
20:15<mwhudson>HoopyCat: well i don't see an upgrade but i was running a 32-bit kernel until about 10 minutes ago
20:15<@akerl>jorgecastillo: We accept credit cards; if your debit card can be used for credit transactions (it has a credit card company's logo on it), then we'll take that
20:15<@akerl>mwhudson: The blog is accurate
20:15<HoopyCat>mwhudson: which datacenter are you in?
20:15<mwhudson>good question
20:16<dwfreed>Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover are the companies that work; most debit cards are Visa or MasterCard
20:16<mwhudson>fremont, i think?
20:17<jorgecastillo>Okay, thanks! My debit card is VISA.
20:17<HoopyCat>mwhudson: right by where the upgrade-pending box appears, there'll be the name of the server you're on; that'll include the name of the datacenter :-) i think there was something awhile back where it took some time (or poking?) for the upgrade to appear after moving from 32-bit to 64-bit kernel
20:18<HoopyCat>mwhudson: do you have more than one configuration profile? if so, have they all been set to 64-bit kernels?
20:18<mwhudson>HoopyCat: no, i still have a 32 bit one
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20:18<mwhudson>i can kill that
20:19<HoopyCat>mwhudson: if my memory is working, that's what's holding it back
20:19<mwhudson>hm still says "Upgrade Coming Soon"
20:19<mwhudson>but i'll be a little more patient
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20:23<HoopyCat>i can only assume there's a very high amount of craziness going on w/r/t installing new servers, removing old servers, and handling the supply chains of both
20:25<Peng>yes, crazy FedExing and crazy phone calls to the remote hands
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20:33<d1g1t>says upgrade coming soon for 64bit too
20:35<lionmac>i have a big problem
20:35<lionmac>i was on linode 8gb and i downgraded to linode 4gb
20:36<lionmac>the process just started and im afraid that all the files that were in the 8gb linode were larger than 98GB which is the max storage of 4GB
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20:36<lionmac>what will happen to the difference
20:37<HoopyCat>the linode move will fail because the disk image is too big, and you'll be left where you were before. resize the disk image, then do the linode resize. (note: the disk resize will fail if there's too much stuff too)
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20:38<lionmac>ok now is finished and it didnt failed
20:38<lionmac>that means none of the files were deleted?
20:39<HoopyCat>it's probably all good. in fact, almost certainly all good
20:39<lionmac>ok thankd
20:43<Peng>It would not delete your files.
20:44<Peng>as CoopyHat said
20:44<Nivex>Hoopy HowdyCat
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20:46<Nivex>HoopyCat: apropos of nothing: RTL-SDRs are really distracting. I've nearly got all the bits of a trunk tracker assembled.
20:47<Nivex>but on topic here: The more I play with Postgres, the more I'm digging it. Can't believe I stayed on MySQL so long.
20:47<HoopyCat>Nivex: nice! gnuradio-based?
20:47<Nivex>HoopyCat: well, the actual trunk tracker bit is Unitrunker right now. This makes me sad because it's Windows only.
20:47<HoopyCat>Nivex: and which sort of trunks? been wanting one for the LTR trunks used by snowplow contractors
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20:47<HoopyCat>Nivex: ah
20:48<HoopyCat>motorola, huh? bummer. :-)
20:48<Nivex>I've got unitrunker listening on one dongle and commanding the other dongle to hop, which then feeds the "discriminator" audio out to DSD for decoding.
20:49<Nivex>They're working on switching to P25:
20:49<Nivex>slow going
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20:49<Nivex>DSD is very finicky. I need to muck around in the code and see if I can streamline the pipeline.
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20:55<HoopyCat>Nivex: is the sort of thing i wouldn't mind being able to follow. much fun during snowstorms. here's our regional P25 system:
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21:06<jaylark> /ignore -channels #linode * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
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21:09<dwfreed>jaylark: try without the space at the front :)
21:10<jaylark>oops, thanks, learning tmux and irssi at the same time :)
21:13<@jchen>/ignore *
21:15<danblack>/ignore * == /quit ? :-)
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21:18<phuh>Does it make sense to have both A and AAAA records for the same domain name in DNS zone file? Or should I pick one? (A or AAAA)
21:19<HoopyCat>phuh: at this time (and for the foreseeable future), use both. those that can will use AAAA; those who are on the legacy internet will use A
21:19<James>/ignore jchen
21:20<phuh>HoopyCat: thanks~
21:20<@jchen>/ban -oftc James
21:20*phuh wonders what's going on between jchen and James
21:20<@jchen>only love
21:20<HoopyCat>totally love
21:20<phuh>GET A ROOM
21:20<James>WE HAVE ONE
21:20<James>it's called #linode
21:21<phuh>it's too public
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21:21<Nivex>I'm working on an app in CherryPy, and my traditional thinking is that I was going to plug it in to Apache with mod_wsgi. I've been reading some docs that say CherryPy's own webserver can handle most loads pretty well. Anecdotes?
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21:23<James>there is an apache uwsgi module, too
21:23<James>well duh
21:23<Nivex>I've already got Apache and mod_wsgi running for small workloads.
21:23<James>nginx speaks natice uwsgi
21:23<James>jchen: nginx says "in production" you should use mainline :P
21:24<James>i find that funny
21:24<@jchen>i mainline nginx
21:24<gparent>nginx says you should use debian
21:24<Nivex>so I asked about A or B, and people immediately pipe up and say C D E F G...
21:24<James>jchen: you on Nginx 1.7.0? :P
21:24<@jchen>probably freebsd or archlinux
21:24<gparent>I almost went for 1.7
21:24<gparent>then I decided no
21:24<@jchen>Nivex: no seriously, uwsgi is the bomb
21:24<HoopyCat>why not django on plan 9?
21:24<James>gparent: 1.6 is stable
21:24<@jchen>you write an INI file, adn boom
21:24<James>1.4 is deprecated
21:24<gparent>James: I know, 1.7 too.
21:25<gparent>James: recent release
21:25<James>1.6 is stable like debian is stable :P
21:25<James>at least it has spdy/3.1 now
21:25<gparent>I run it on one server, everything else has stock debian packages for glorious stability
21:26<gparent>yeah I wanted to test it out
21:26<James>Don't want to run the nginx repo?
21:26<gparent>For that particular server I compile in other things
21:26<gparent>Otherwise I generally stick to whatever debian has
21:26<James>Oh yeah
21:26<James>Don't think nginx comes with all the modules in their version
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21:27<gparent>For hackfest we do silly things like return "Apache" in Server: instead of nginx to throw people off
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21:27<gparent>All in good fun.
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21:27<davidwebb>Question - when I dd an SD card to an SD card twice its size, does the partition size carry over too?
21:27<James>i've made a point to set "expose_php" to off in all my installations
21:27<James>why the fuck is that in their PRODUCTION ini...
21:28<gparent>Hiding PHP version doesn't accomplish a whole lot, it's always that trade off between a little bit of obscurity vs usability.
21:28<Peng>gparent: I used to use like Apache 1.1's "Hello World" page on Lighttpd...
21:29<d1g1t>it saves bandwidth!
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21:29<James>gparent: the easter egg
21:29<James>is annoying
21:30<gparent>it's a feature
21:30<Peng>Oh, Apache 1.2.6. Apache 1.1.1's was really boring.
21:32<HoopyCat>davidwebb: if you did a bit-by-bit copy with dd of the raw SD device (e.g. /dev/sdx rather than /dev/sdx1), yes
21:33<davidwebb>HoopyCat: gotcha - thanks.
21:33<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
21:33<davidwebb>easy as bacon.
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21:39<synapt><gparent> Hiding PHP version doesn't accomplish a whole lot, it's always that trade off between a little bit of obscurity vs usability. <-- don't necessarily agree with this, as it can at least moderately help against stupid places that use EoL PHP versions, so people can't attempt to attack against it
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21:39<synapt>same reason software like wordpress no longer disclose their versions in the markup, etc etc
21:40<ttech>synapt: Easy way to check for that though.
21:40<ttech>Though thats any version older then 5.3
21:40<HoopyCat>also helps pass stupid security audits which don't grok how most distros handle security updates
21:41<synapt>ttech: yeah was about to say that's kind of dead now (and any version older than 5.3 is effectively EoL now too)
21:41<synapt>also expose_php effected those ttech
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21:41<ttech>that is true too
21:41<@akerl>synapt: If I'm gonna brute force PHP across the internet, I'm not gonna bother doing version checks
21:42<synapt>if you had expose_php off, the main PHP-* stuff wouldn't work either, so that's hardly a work around since we were talking about disabling expose_php :P
21:42<@akerl>I'm gonna try to hit * and just see what works
21:42<synapt>akerl: yeah but if it was a choice, people would look for version first to scope the automated attacks down dramatically
21:42<synapt>if anything to help avoid hitting auto-blockers
21:42<ttech>whata whats?
21:43<Perihelion>mod_security best security
21:43<synapt>You know, stuff like (as much as I may dislike), the suhosin/suphp crap, which can generally fail2ban basically on things that look like automated attacks on PHP vulns
21:43<ttech>hunter2 is best security
21:43<synapt>(whether code-based or engine-based)
21:43<@akerl>There are, roughly speaking, two kinds of attacks: bulk scans, which fit what I described above (they just try the exploit, they aren't checking versions first), and targetted attacks, where if they see you don't disclose a version (or if they just wanna try all the versions), they'll try a variety anyways
21:44<synapt>the targetted stuff is what I was referring to when I said about "attacking against it", as in trying to attack against specific versions
21:44<@akerl>If I'm targetting your site, and you don't disclose a version, I'm just gonna try em all
21:45<@akerl>And even if you disclose a version, I'll probably try em all anyways in case you're lying
21:45<synapt>usually yes
21:45*synapt has a few things he runs with a PHP3 disclosed header
21:45<@akerl>And if you're counting on fail2ban, I've just got to proxy a few more times
21:45<synapt>Mostly gets pretty entertaining archaic attempts
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21:51<Perihelion>I put cat pictures at /phpmyadmin
21:51<Peng>synapt: do you use .php3 file extensions?
21:51<Peng>or .cfm? :D
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21:54<synapt>that's a good idea
21:54<synapt>I should mod rewrite everything to have .php3
21:54<synapt>OH OH
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21:54<synapt>aw yeah
21:55<synapt>I'd use .cfm but who the hell uses that anymore
21:55<Ikaros>I should slap you silly.
21:58<Peng>Penny Arcade used .php3 URLs until what, like, 2011? I really hope they'd rewritten it in Ruby on Rails or something years earlier but hadn't wanted to break the URLs...
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22:11<James>Peng: lolol
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22:41<Eugene>Scumbag Coder: .phtml3 urls, python app.
22:41<@jchen>whats wrong with php
22:42<Eugene>As a language? Everything. For dirt-simple redirect logic, or a guestbook? Nothing, I love it.
22:43<synapt>The fact you even used a 'guestbook' as an example for anything...
22:43<synapt>way to sound right out of the 90's
22:44*Eugene shows you his webring
22:44<encode>that's something i don't miss from the 90's. Along with "portals"
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22:45<@jchen>technically google is a portal
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22:47<Peng>Yahoo is a portal :>
22:48<ttech>c u sign my gest book?
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22:49<James>poo rtal
22:49<ttech>What always bothered me more then just guestbooks was that companies used to have guestbooks too.
22:49<ttech>And the legitimacy meter always dropped when I saw that.
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23:22<MrPPS>hey Josh`
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23:29<phuh>Is there anything special about Amazon's Route 53 vs. Linode's DNS manager?
23:29<Peng>Linode supports IPv6!
23:29<phuh>so as Route 53
23:29<Peng>does it?
23:30<Peng>Route 53 has some load balancing and geolocation stuff
23:30<Peng>Route 53 has a horrible API
23:30<phuh>linode doesn't?
23:30<Peng>Linode has a good API, as far as I know.
23:30<Peng>phuh: Route 53 doesn't do IPv6.
23:31<phuh>oh "Amazon Route 53 supports both forward (AAAA) and reverse (PTR) IPv6 records. However, the Route 53 service itself is not available over IPv6 at this time."
23:31<phuh>you're right :)
23:31<encode>that sounds a bit pointless
23:31<encode>use Linode's DNS manager
23:31<phuh>i am
23:31<encode>it's free with your linode
23:32<phuh>just wondering why someone would pay 0.5/mo to use their service
23:32<phuh>there's also rackspace free dns
23:33<phuh>do dns servers need to be located near the web servers, just like load balancers?
23:34<Peng>not at all
23:34<dcraig>we use route 53 with our irc network to direct people to nearby irc servers and automatically remove servers from the dns if they go offline
23:34<phuh>is that because the zone files are cached locally
23:34<dcraig>just as an example...
23:34<phuh>oh so their geo feature is something notable
23:35<dcraig>geo stuff, health checks, automatic failover, etc.
23:36<phuh>aha thanks dcraig
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23:41*phuh_ :O?
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