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---Logopened Mon May 05 00:00:57 2014
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00:41<linbot>New news from forum: Dallas Data Center / Rackspace in General Discussion <>
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00:46<linbot>New news from forum: Dallas Data Center / Rackspace in General Discussion <>
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00:50<smriti>Hello gents
00:50<smriti>i am looking for java hosting
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00:51<smriti>i need to know what all is your service..
00:51<smriti>and how much it would cost me
00:51<Peng>The prices are on the website.
00:51<Peng>Linode provides unmanaged VPS hosting. You are free to install Java and whatever you want.
00:51<smriti>i would need tomcat , mysql
00:51<James> !
00:51<James>yup you can install that
00:51<smriti>ohh thats great
00:52<smriti>i have seen prices but rest info , i wont be able to find
00:52<linbot>New news from forum: Dallas Data Center / Rackspace in General Discussion <>
00:52<smriti>thanks will contact back in case required
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00:53<Peng>How can they find the web chat link but not hte pricing link?
00:54<zifnab>in other news: wtb lime skittles, pst
00:54<zifnab>i bought some of the new ones, they taste funny
00:54<praetorian>Peng: well, it' easy
00:55<praetorian>Peng: we have James, so anything is possible
00:55<James>Your face is possible.
00:55<James>Are you in australia?
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01:00<jed>hey, if you're on comcast, would you do me a favor please
01:01<dcraig>I am on comcast as of a few weeks ago
01:01<jed>does your router have with a gateway of
01:01<dcraig>and I will do you one favor
01:01<dcraig>my gateway address is
01:01<jed>is your router's address
01:01<dcraig>I assigned to another wifi access point
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01:01<dcraig>everything is
01:01<jed>I'm trying to see if comcast is handing out for DHCP now
01:02<jed>...because that's what my router has up
01:03<dcraig>I have one of their modem/router/wifi combo things
01:03<jed>it had to have been recent, my router had my public IP pre-reboot
01:03<jed>I just rebooted the system and my cable modem came up, and the router in front of it came up, so it smells like Big NAT now
01:03<jed>I don't have a 10/8 network in my home
01:04<jed>Internet Address:
01:05<zifnab>thats...not good
01:05<dcraig>what if the router asks for an IP before he cable modem is fully online?
01:05<jed>nah, I waited
01:05<jed>plus I'm routing
01:05<zifnab>jed: my cable modem will hand out 192.168.100.x addresses if it cant connect home, but you're obviously online so...
01:05<zifnab>traceroute somewhere?
01:05<dcraig>and it's just a basic cable modem?
01:06<jed>already did :)
01:06<zifnab>i would complain about that
01:06<dcraig>wow, our first peek into the jedplex
01:06<zifnab>'y u give me rfc1918 address'
01:06<zifnab>however, you'd probably never be able to talk to someone who knows what a rfc1918 address is...
01:07<jed>and they'll say: y u need publicly routable, IPv4's gone, scrub
01:07<jed>so, it just finally happened...
01:07<zifnab>oh its easy: i have to be able to connect to my machine from work
01:07<jed>dcraig: it's one of the arris big mommas for telephony/X1/105 Mbps
01:07<zifnab>in my case, my contract with charter states that my connection is assigned 1 globally routable address
01:07<TecnoBrat>TBH, 90% of people don't need a routable IP
01:08<jed>I'm still getting 100 Mbps down, so it's not bad NAT, at least...
01:08<zifnab>skype uses upnp for port forward
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01:08<zifnab>it still works without it
01:09<jed>comcast promised no large-scale NAT at one point...
01:09<dcraig>if you're using it with your own router, is it in "bridge mode" or something?
01:09<jed>no, none of that
01:09<jed>wait, to clarify: yes
01:10<jed>oh, wait, I wonder if it forgot that setting...
01:10<dcraig>maybe it's no longer in bridge mode
01:11<jed>it'd be nice if this piece of shit had a status page of some kind
01:11<jed>instead of a bunch of RF parameters and literally nothing else
01:11<jed>Please login to manage your router.
01:11<jed>are u 4 real
01:11<dcraig>admin password
01:11<zifnab>jed: is it arris?
01:11<jed>it's an xfinity page
01:12<jed>oh well, I'll deal with it later
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01:12<dcraig>when I go to, the page says xfinity, but it's my router...
01:12<zifnab> works on the shitty arris thing i have
01:13<dcraig>though I think if works, it's probably no longer in bridge mode
01:13<dcraig>if it used to be
01:14<dcraig>you're out of your depth, jed
01:14<zifnab>so glad comcast didn't stay here :/
01:15<zifnab>cable isp here sells out about every 2 years, i've had twc, comcast, optimum, and now charter
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01:16<jed>dcraig: clearly
01:16<jed>darn, I thought I caught comcast doing awful
01:16<jed>it's always a more likely explanation than technical error
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03:01<phuh_>Can you run CoreOS on Linode?
03:02<dwfreed>why wouldn't you be? it sounds magical, but it's really just Linux
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03:11<lakridserne>Morning to you all
03:14*James puts lakridserne in a cup of coffee
03:15<Josh`>wait what
03:15<James>lakridserne: i gave you coffee!
03:15*Ikaros headdesks
03:15<lakridserne>James: You put me down in the (apparently very big) cup of coffee
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03:19<Josh`>some new apple product?
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03:30<James>s/drinks/swims in/
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03:33<lakridserne>I forgot to tell you that the coffee had some sleep medicine in it
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03:40<diabl0666>hi there, good morning
03:40<diabl0666>hi lakridserne
03:44<lakridserne>I'm surprised how easy it still is to get IPv4 addresses
03:45<Ikaros>You shouldn't be.
03:45<Ikaros>Just imagine this though
03:45<diabl0666>seems a bit of terror policy about ipv4 utilization
03:45<Ikaros>As time goes on, and the pools grow smaller, the restrictions grow tighter and tighter
03:46<lakridserne>Well I have 4 addresses already on 1 server, just got my limit raised to 5 yesterday
03:46<Ikaros>Another VPS I have elsewhere...I have 3 IPv4s
03:46<lakridserne>Well that is including the main IP
03:47<Ikaros>Not that I *need* them though. But if you shove something in my face with the label 'free', I take it, especially if its related to hosting.
03:47<lakridserne>IPv4's will become more and more valuable as time goes on
03:48*Peng sets Ikaros on fire
03:48<Ikaros>Then again.
03:48<lakridserne>I need these IPv4's, but I remove addresses if my customers no longer need them
03:48<Ikaros>I could shut off traffic to them as I please.
03:51*lakridserne shove a free hit in Ikaros face
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04:00<diabl0666>what a hell, i'm gone mad all weekend to configure percona xtradb, lsyncd and ispconfig in cluster setup, now seems to work fine
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04:03<daniel2>ISPConfig :|
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04:11<diabl0666>it's free, open source: i love it ;)
04:11<diabl0666>you got any free opensource alternative to ispconfig, that support cluster configuration?
04:17<kyhwana>... panels
04:17*lakridserne sshs into kyhwana
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04:20<daniel2>I tried installing ISPConfig once, I just didn't like how it worked I guess. I don't use panels. I installed everything manual.
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04:30<MrPPS>there a !status command or similar here? I can't get onto manager (dropped connection) and one of my nodes is down
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04:30<MrPPS>sorry, rather, "is there?"
04:31<MrPPS>totally thought that'd been supersceded
04:31<MrPPS>thanks lakridserne
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04:31<MrPPS>manager fine for you right now?
04:31<MrPPS>ah, back for me too
04:32<James>MrPPS: didn't work when typepad was being ddosed, tho
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04:32<MrPPS>must have missed that ddos
04:33<James>if is down,
04:33<MrPPS>node back up anyhow, time to learn some LaTeX
04:33<MrPPS>ah, thanks James :P
04:33<James>woo LaTeX!
04:33<MrPPS>yeah, I've never taken the dive
04:33<MrPPS>but it seems like a good investment
04:34<MrPPS>do you have any recommended starting resources?
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04:35<James>just install texlive and have fun
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04:35<MrPPS>done the former
04:35<MrPPS>now to try the latter :P
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04:36<James>I need to convert some old word docs into LaTeX
04:36<James>tex2pdf <3
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05:38<ffbuaile>What time do I now use the free VPS due?
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05:38<ffbuaile>What time do I now use the free VPS due?
05:39<lakridserne>I did read that, but what do you mean?
05:39<ffbuaile>I now use the free VPS what is the expiration date?
05:39<lakridserne>Linode does not offer any free VPS's
05:39<lakridserne>And have not offered trial VPS's for a long time
05:40<Peng>I think they might've started again?
05:40<lakridserne>Hmm possibly
05:41<lakridserne>If it was like before, 4 hours
05:41<ffbuaile>Has been used for several days, received a mail, registered to open
05:42<ffbuaile>The content is about $50
05:43<ffbuaile>This is the Google translation
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05:47<linbot>New news from forum: Remote with GUI into my linode in General Discussion <>
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05:53<Narasimha>Hi TEAM,
05:53<Narasimha>I got a notification from Linode team
05:53<Narasimha> * linode151848 - (16373760) System Shutdown - Completed Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:15 GMT * linode151848 - (16373761) Linode Initial Configuration - Completed Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:33 GMT * linode151848 - (16373762) Migrate Filesystem - Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Disk Image from - Pending Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:34 GMT * linode151848 - (16373763) Migrate Filesystem - 256MB Swap Image from - Pending * linode151848 - (163
05:53<Narasimha>What I need to do for this?
05:54<Narasimha> * linode151848 - (16373760) System Shutdown - Completed Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:15 GMT * linode151848 - (16373761) Linode Initial Configuration - Completed Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:33 GMT * linode151848 - (16373762) Migrate Filesystem - Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Disk Image from - Pending Mon, 05 May 2014 07:23:34 GMT * linode151848 - (16373763) Migrate Filesystem - 256MB Swap Image from - Pending * linode151848 - (163
05:54<Narasimha>can someone help me here?
05:54<James>you're being migrated
05:55<Narasimha>What action I need to peform
05:55<Narasimha>my site was down now
05:55<James>nothing, just wait until it finishes
05:56<James>is there a support ticket telling you why your linode is being moved? did you click the upgrade button?
05:56<hawk>If there is something unexpected going on you probably want to ask Linode directly.
05:56<Narasimha>not yet
05:56<Narasimha>should I click on Upgrade button?
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05:57<hawk>Probably not while something else is still going on.
05:57<@rmyers>Narasimha: please open a ticket
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05:59<Narasimha>ok thank you
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06:22<fidividi>Does Linode support multiple IPs on a single VPS?
06:22<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
06:22<James>wrong one
06:22<HoopyCat>fidividi: yep... IPv6 addresses are readily available, and IPv4 addresses are available with valid technical justification
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06:26<lakridserne>Isn't that one a little outdated?
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06:34*lakridserne updates James
06:34<James>now i'm version 1.0
06:34<lakridserne>service James status
06:35<James>[ crashed ]
06:35<lakridserne>service James restart
06:35<James>KERNEL PANIC
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06:37<lakridserne>Shouldn't version 1.0 be stable?
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06:54<rikvermeer>My server is currently down (hanging in reboot). I'll wait and will check some settings... But when i look in the linode management interface, i see "Linode Migration Cleanup"
06:54<rikvermeer>9 hours ago
06:55<rikvermeer>it is a linode vps served in london
06:55<lakridserne>Did you upgrade it?
06:55<rikvermeer>i'm wondering, why the migration and what was the migration?
06:55<lakridserne>I.e. click the upgrade button in the managerr?
06:55<rikvermeer>No I did not initialize it
06:55<lakridserne>Open a ticket
06:58<rikvermeer>ah, there is a closed ticket (notification) about the migration:: The physical server this Linode is hosted on is scheduled to be retired. While this is not an emergency, it means that your Linode needs to be migrated to a different server.
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06:58<rikvermeer>so that's ok :)
06:58<rikvermeer>thank you
06:58<lakridserne>ah okay ;)
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06:58<dassouki>I am having troubles upgrading to 12.04
06:59<dassouki>my apt.log is showing nothing and here's the error message(s) I get
07:03<dassouki>Any ideas?
07:04<dassouki>also, the same error is witnessed when doing sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
07:14<retro|blah>dassouki: Do you have "do-release-upgrade"?
07:15<dassouki>retro|blah: na, it's not letting me intall it due to the dependency issue and broken upgrade
07:15<hawk>dassouki: natty? Is that what you are starting from?
07:20<hawk>I think you may "have to" (ie, that's the documented upgrade path) upgrade to the next version before jumping to 12.04... I don't know if that will solve that problem, though.
07:20<linbot>New news from forum: Remote with GUI into my linode in General Discussion <>
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07:20<fl0w>mornin’ yall
07:21<lakridserne>morning fl0w
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07:21<dassouki>hawk: thanks! I was thinking of backing up and starting from fresh too
07:21<dassouki>so this could be the trigger
07:21<fl0w>hey lakridserne!
07:23<James>dassouki: start fresh from ubuntu 14.04!
07:23<hawk>dassouki: Well, if you're going to go all the way to 14.04 it might not be a bad idea to start over unless there is something very special about the current setup
07:24<dassouki>nope, my ubuntu-server, is just a massive portable usb
07:25<dassouki>just need to figure out an effective way to doing so, I must use an Ftp site and just download teh whole thing
07:26<hawk>set up the new one side by side, copy your files over, get rid of the old one?
07:26<dassouki>that could work too
07:28<dassouki>hawk: James retro|blah thanks for the help! time to go
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08:16<gerryvdm>is it considered a good or bad idea to run php-fpm as the same user as the SSH user that uploads the site?
08:18<gerryvdm>how so?
08:18<dwfreed>php should not have write access to the files it's serving
08:21<dwfreed>by running it as the owner of said files, you're giving it write access, even if you remove all write permissions, because it can just put those permissions back
08:21<gerryvdm>right, so if it does need write access to certain files/directories, i should chown those or use acl?
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08:22<dwfreed>why does it need write access?
08:22<gerryvdm>to write cache files etc
08:24<dwfreed>cache files belong in tmp directories, usually /var/tmp, which everybody can write to
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08:25<@akerl>Not sure I agree there. If I've got php-fpm running as two users for two sites, each site's cache should be in a place the other can't read
08:25<dwfreed>the point of /var/tmp is that it lives completely outside the webroot, so it's a bit harder to use against you
08:25<rnowak>oh uh, just don't let anyone edit your application's cache files.
08:26<dwfreed>right, you make subdirs with regular permissions in /var/tmp
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08:27<gerryvdm>so i should set up different ssh users and different fpm users for each site? :)
08:28<@akerl>dwfreed: Um...
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08:29<@akerl>You can't permission in that direction (general to strict)
08:30<dwfreed>akerl: /var/tmp is 1777; you make a dir inside that for your stuff akerls_awesome_cache with 0600 permissions
08:30<@akerl>Uh huh...
08:30<@akerl>and if I decide to haxxor you, I make a directory called "akerls_haxxor_cache" and swap them
08:30<@akerl>And your permissions mean nothing, because I have full access to do thing at the directory level
08:31<James>mkdir akerl_was_here
08:31<dwfreed>but you can't do that as a different user
08:32<James>you're root!
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08:32<@akerl>The directory is 777, it doesn't matter if I'm root
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08:33<@akerl>dwfreed: I have this hunch that you're trying it now. If you're not, let me know and I'll mock up a demonstration
08:34<dwfreed>the directory is 1777; sticky bit is set, which stops you
08:34<gerryvdm>but since i'm already setting up different fpm pools each with its own user, whats so bad that i use the ssh user of the account owning the site? isnt this only a problem if there is remote code execution possible?
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08:35<@akerl>gerryvdm: If the user PHP is running as can write to its own files, a vulnerability in the site becomes a shell on your system. And there will always be vulnerabilities in the site
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08:37<gerryvdm>if you can fool a site into writing arbitrary files, that sounds like the least of my problems? at least this (restricted) user is locked into his own directories?
08:37<@akerl>gerryvdm: That is pretty much the worst problem
08:37<dwfreed>my /var/tmp is 1777, or drwxrwxrwt in ls -l output
08:37<gerryvdm>in that case the hacker still would be able to overwrite the cache files
08:38<gerryvdm>and he'd still be having his own little shell
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08:38<rnowak>if you're executing files that the application can write to, you have problems
08:39<@akerl>dwfreed: I stand corrected. I didn't realize the sticky bit would do that
08:39<gerryvdm>i think thats not very uncommon? most frameworks do that
08:39<dwfreed>need to go get ready for work, afk
08:39<@akerl>gerryvdm: And it's shitty
08:39<dwfreed>akerl: :)
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08:39<@akerl>This is one of the reasons that PHP frameworks are the leading cause of system compromise, in my experience
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08:40<rnowak>well, it isn't php itself being compromised all the time, it is things written in it, so :>
08:41<gerryvdm>dunno, symfony doesnt have a bad reputation/track record security wise
08:41<rnowak>gerryvdm: just because a lot of horrible people do that, doesn't justify it, so hopefully your php application won't do it :>
08:41<gerryvdm>yet it still compiles and caches for example config files
08:41<@akerl>caches... config files?
08:41<rnowak>smile and wave boys, smile and wave
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08:42<gerryvdm>it will compile yaml files to native php files for example
08:42<rnowak>it what
08:42<gerryvdm>and templating files, and ...
08:43<@akerl>gerryvdm: What you're saying makes pretty much 0 sense
08:43<gerryvdm>why so?
08:43<rnowak>mostly because their site doesn't say it does what you say it does
08:43<gerryvdm>well it does
08:44<gerryvdm>and for that, the web user needs write permissions on the cache folder
08:44<rnowak>I want to see this YAML -> PHP compiler
08:44<@akerl>gerryvdm: On the 8th day, God created RAM, so we wouldn't need to "compile" YAML files to an intermediary format
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08:44<@akerl>We just load them, and either keep them in RAM ourselves or store configuration in a medium that users RAM to allow rapid access to things
08:44<gerryvdm>but yaml still needs to be parsed
08:45<@akerl>gerryvdm: Yes...
08:45<rnowak>so does PHP's array
08:45<gerryvdm>whereas native php files can be cached by the opcode cache
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08:45<gerryvdm>as opcode
08:45<@akerl>So you load the YAML file, you parse it, you stick the config in RAM, and you use it from there
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08:46<rnowak>"As the parser is re-entrant, you can use the same parser object to load different YAML strings." re-entrant, yes, that's what re-entrant is.
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08:46<rnowak>I don't know... this looks like a YAML parser and not like a YAML to PHP compiler
08:47<pronto>How much cloud could a cloud clown clog if a cloud?
08:47<gerryvdm>nvm, wrong direction
08:47<rnowak>so it can serialize PHP arrays into YAML?
08:47<ekes>akerl: But you only need to parse config like on deployment. RAM doesn't last that long.
08:47<James>pronto: at least 96GB
08:47<@akerl>gerryvdm: The fact that their yaml parser has a method that turns YAML into PHP and PHP into YAML is what makes it a parser
08:47<pronto>James: hrm, thanks
08:48<@akerl>ekes: If you have to reload when you redeploy your app, k
08:48<gerryvdm>the caching component does that
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08:48<rnowak>does what? compile YAML to PHP?
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08:48<gerryvdm>write the compiled yaml to php yeah
08:49<@akerl>gerryvdm: Lets fast forward to the end of this journey: if you have a YAML config, and you let PHP load the config and write it out as a PHP file, you've just set up your system so that a vulnerability in your site lets the attacker change your app's config
08:49<diabl0666>hum for the private ip of linode, i can use wheteaver subnet i want? or i'm obbliged to use the 192.168.x.x provider form the linode interface?
08:49<rnowak>if it parses yaml so that it can be used in php, for instance to its array data type, and then you serialize the php array into a format that the php runtime can dump and load, you've not compiled the yaml to php
08:50<@akerl>diabl0666: You get a private IP from us. You're welcome to try to up it with whatever mask you want, but using one other than /17 will mean it behaves oddly
08:50<gerryvdm>that fact alone doesnt open up the vulnerability though, an attacker still needs to be able to pass arbitrary file locations and content to overwrite it
08:50<@akerl>gerryvdm: Bank on that being a possibility
08:50<rnowak>I compile my applications to paper by printing them with my printer
08:50<@akerl>web apps are the leakiest of the leaky holes, from a security standpoint
08:50<gerryvdm>akerl: not that i've never seen it in code, but really?
08:51<@akerl>Really to what?
08:51<gerryvdm>i never accept user-provided data to determine a path to write to
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08:51<@akerl>And you've never written code with a bug?
08:51<diabl0666>akerl, oddly in what sense? ;)
08:52<gerryvdm>a bug is not necessarily a security hole :)
08:52<@akerl>diabl0666: Like, your system will think it can talk to IPs which it cannot (if you set it too wide), or it will not think it can talk to IPs it can (if you set it too narrow)
08:52<@akerl>gerryvdm: If you think you've never written a security hole into your code, good luck
08:52<rnowak>I used to want to write tests and isolate my application as much as possible, but these days I just make sure to write my application without bugs
08:53<diabl0666>the question is because i want to bring up a vpn within linode from my company and in each office wh hand a router with
08:54<@akerl>But if I were to make a list of the top 10 ways to get hacked, "wep apps" is the whole top3
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08:54<@akerl>diabl0666: You have to use the IP we give you
08:54<dzho>or you get the hose again
08:54<rnowak>"I don't write security vulnerabilities" is the remaining 7
08:54<diabl0666>akerl, ok ;)
08:55<gerryvdm>i get your point, but then we should not be interpreting scripts by the webserver at all :)
08:55<diabl0666>i'll try to route single ip addresses instead of subnet so,
08:55<diabl0666>thank you!
08:55<@akerl>gerryvdm: Static sites are pretty great
08:55<@akerl>I recommend them highly
08:55<gerryvdm>i agree
08:56<gerryvdm>they dont make nice web applications though :)
08:56<Meyer^>gerryvdm: You could make them flashy client side ;)
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08:57<gerryvdm>Meyer^: and re-enter all my accounting because i switch computers? :D
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09:06<fl0w>so if I hashbang generate html for searchengines on the fly, should I add canonical headers or is that understood by i.e. google?
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09:12<diabl0666>hum sorry if i've to configure load balancer to access https websites, i've to buy a loadbalancer for each of the sites i've to use in https?
09:12<diabl0666>or wich ssl certificate i've to put in the configuration spaces?
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09:42<BrettW>diabl0666: No, you can forward tcp traffic over 443
09:42<diabl0666>BrettW, yeah it works fine
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10:00<diabl0666>hum i've configure the balanacer and changed the configuration like sayd there "If you're using the Apache web server, you can use the mod_rpaf module to replace REMOTE_ADDR with the clent's IP address in the XFF header. After you install the module, you'll need to specify as a proxy in httpd.conf.
10:00<diabl0666>i've modified /etc/apache/apache2.conf
10:01<diabl0666>and enabled the module rpaf
10:01<diabl0666>adding RPAFproxy_ips, ::1,
10:01<diabl0666>after that, the ip address logged is always the balancer and not the real ip
10:01<diabl0666>you got any suggestion?
10:05<laser`>did you reswtart Apache after making the change?
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10:19<diabl0666>oh found the problem
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10:20<diabl0666>i'f i'll specify instead of rpaf works correctly
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10:24<diabl0666>i'm going mad ;)
10:24*lakridserne thought you couldn't become something you already are ;)
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10:28<uxfi>hi all
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10:29<uxfi>dozn: hey
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10:33*lakridserne waves
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10:42<dblue>my apache 2.4 runs on pre-fork mode by default, upon installation. Then why I have this "apache2-mpm-prefork" ubuntu package, which is not installed yet?
10:43<dblue>Installing and uninstalling that package seems to have no effect at all.
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10:46<Nivex>I thought apache 2.4 default MPM was event
10:48<dblue>nope, fresh install and didnt change a config. it says "Server MPM: prefork"
10:48<dblue>the funny thing is, it runs prefork even before the required package is installed.
10:52<Craighton>Ugh Postfix is having issues,
10:54<linbot>New news from forum: Which distro has the smallest memory footprint on Linode? in General Discussion <> || Caker's "stay tuned" for cheaper linodes? in General Discussion <>
10:54<Craighton>I have Google Apps for my main mail server and I'm trying to setup logwatch but it isn't sending properly
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10:57<diabl0666>you know a method for two nodes to write apache access log on the smae location so in a cluster situation i don't lose access logs around?
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11:40<buhman>Nivex: correct
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12:34<Craighton>how do I find my address for my linode?
12:35<dwfreed>Craighton: you can get the li### from the rDNS on the default gateway
12:35<dwfreed>the other number is the last octet of your IP
12:35<Craighton>ah there itis
12:36<dwfreed>for example, is the IP of one of my linodes; dig -x gives, so my members address would be
12:36<Peng>also convenient: dig -x a few IPs next to yours. Most people have the default rDNS.
12:37<linbot>New news from forum: Warning: Time moved backwards by 314 seconds. in General Discussion <>
12:38<Peng>Bringing up 1024 IPs seems to make things unhappy. :(
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12:38<Peng>At least it doesn't crash.
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12:39<dwfreed>Peng: requires a lot of RAM :)
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12:50<io_> hi in phpmyadmin when I do a search on a db the links on the tables with results BROWSE and DELETE do not work, there is no action on click
12:52<Craighton>How do I spin up an hourly linode? I don't see the option?
12:53<Peng>Craighton: It's an account-wide setting.
12:53<Peng>Craighton: You can register a new account, or convert your current one.
12:53<Craighton>ah I see the button under billing
12:54<Craighton>Is there a particular disadvantage to converting to metered?
12:54<io_>bah nevermind
12:54<Peng>Craighton: no annual discount
12:54<Peng>(at this time)
12:55<Craighton>Ah, I pay month-to-month for the 3 existing linodes I alreeady have. I'm just wondering because I need to get something off a snapshot
12:57<Peng>I guess there wouldn't be a downside, then.
12:58<linbot>New news from forum: Warning: Time moved backwards by 314 seconds. in General Discussion <>
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12:59<Peng>Are routed pool IPs supposed to work when your SLAAC IP is down?
13:00<Peng>'cause I thought it was required,but apparently not
13:00<@akerl>Routed pools require that we know where to route them. If they're working right after you downed the SLAAC IP, I'd recommend not counting on that remaining the case
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13:00<Peng>I meant not-routed pools
13:01<Peng>I didn't down the IP, I configured it to bring up ~1000 pool IPs and SLAAC broke :)
13:01<@akerl>The /116s?
13:01<@akerl>Yea, those have no connection to the SLAAC IP
13:01<Peng>did not know
13:01<@akerl>That's why you can bring them up on any of your Linodes in the DC
13:01<Peng>so if you have a /116 it's not necessary to bring up your SLAAC IP at all
13:02<Peng>I thought it was. Neat.
13:06<Craighton>ugh logwatch + postfix isn't working
13:07<Peng>Hmm, the kernel only lets me bring up ~2000 IPs.
13:07<Craighton>I have Google Apps for my main mail server and I'm trying to setup logwatch but it isn't sending properly to my Google Apps account fro the server.
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13:08<hawk>Peng: Booooo! Worst kernel ever.
13:08<dwfreed>Craighton: do you actually use postfix for anything else?
13:09<Craighton>No, I was following the guide on Linode
13:09<Peng>I made a mistake. All 4096 worked.
13:09<dwfreed>Craighton: I'd suggest setting up sSMTP then
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13:10<Craighton>Am I setting that up within postfix or logwatch?
13:10<zlove>Hello linode. Is there a limit of the number of IP addresses per linode instances?
13:11<Peng>zlove: You have to justify each IPv4 IP.
13:11<Peng>zlove: I think it's a maximum of 25, but you'll probably run out of justifications long before that anyway.
13:12<zlove>We typically need them for SSL for client websites. Does that justification work? We'd probably need 5 - 10 per instance.
13:12<Peng>Why can't you rely on SNI or sAN?
13:14<zlove>that might work. I thought browser/OS support might be an issue, but haven't looked into it recently. I'll check that out.
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13:14<Peng>The only browser with an issue for SNI is IE/XP.
13:15<hawk>It might. It also might be fine.
13:15<laser`>iirc it's only Windows XP that doesn't support it, which isn't much of the web nowadays (although still more than it should be, and in some contexts still very widespread)
13:15<Peng>Maybe some obsolete mobile phones.
13:15<zlove>cool. thanks for the info.
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13:23<synapt>SNI will pretty much work on anything but Android 2.x and < IE8 on XP (as laser` already noted)
13:24<synapt>er <= IE8
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13:24<synapt>IE8 on vista+ works fine oddly (but then again IE8 on vista+ also has better TLS support than the XP variant so)
13:26*synapt meant to aim that at zlove
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13:28<hawk>synapt: It's not really that odd, it comes down to what different versions of the Windows crypto libraries support
13:30<synapt>hawk: I feel like MS could have probably put a bit more effort into updating them on XP as well, it's their OS and browser afterall, other browsers include them rather than rely on the OS libs
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13:30<hawk>synapt: Well, they want XP to die. Updating it is counterproductive for them.
13:31<hawk>But yes, pretty much everything else brings its own NSS
13:32<synapt>hawk: Understandable I suppose, if you ignore though IE8 came out like 5 years ago
13:32<synapt>It still obviously got updates (despite being the last IE on XP)
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13:32<hawk>I'm sure they wanted XP to die 5 years ago as well.
13:34<synapt>Sure, but IE8 wasn't even the default on vista, IE7 was, so they still could have put effort into backporting the same one they made for Vista into XP :P
13:34<synapt>At the very least w/ SNI support
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13:35<synapt>the TLS stuff might be moderately understandable, but how they had separate SNI supporting as well is a bit goofy
13:35<synapt>(as in IE7+ on Vista+ SNI fine, but IE7-8 on XP does not)
13:35<hawk>They obviously could have but what would be their upside if they were to backport and deliver new functionality to the thing they want people to abandon?
13:36<synapt>Consumer happiness, same reason despite the fact XP is EoL they just released the security update on XP to fix that big IE vuln
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13:36<synapt>well that and they probably want to still try and hold on to whatever IE usage share they do still have
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13:41<hawk>synapt: Well, this is obviously entirely off topic but I would say that with their business model I understand that they don't want to do that. If they could switch the XP user base to a subscription model then I'm sure they would happily patch all the things in there.
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13:51<Peng>Their business model also depends on an army of web devs not razing Redmond. Sighhhhh.
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13:54<hawk>Well, taking that into account they should just kill off IE
13:54<zifnab>12 isn't bad
13:54<zifnab>its usable
13:55<zifnab>ask any microsoft employee: they have the 'we didnt do it right first, but we did it best last' menality
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14:01<uxfi>hi all
14:01<hawk>zifnab: Have they understood the concept of tabs vs that of windows? That was the weirdest thing.
14:01<zifnab>no clue
14:02<zifnab>i'm stuck in chromeland
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14:08<dozn>hawk: They did since IE 7
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14:08<hawk>dozn: They added tabs but made them behave as if they were windows. Or was that in some other version?
14:09<dozn>hawk: can you explain what you mean?
14:09<hawk>dozn: When switching "windows" IE behaves as if each tab is a window. (Not sure if it's consistent in all contexts)
14:10<jnode_>Opening in a new window instead of tab. Haven't used IE regularly in awhile, don't know when they finally gave it the tab option ala FF
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14:12<hawk>From my point of view that added tabs and at the same time made tabs pointless.
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14:30<uxfi>hawk: around?
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14:31<uxfi>dozn: ?
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14:32<hawk>uxfi: present
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14:33<netefficacy>hi forgot password, email for account no longer active for reset. How do I login to linode?
14:34<trippeh>Hm. I keep randomly getting logged out of the manager.
14:35<uxfi>ok :)
14:37<dwfreed>trippeh: is it while you're using it, or after a while of idle?
14:37<trippeh>dwfreed: while using it
14:38<dwfreed>trippeh: my money is on your IP address changing; either flipping between v4 and v6, or flipping addresses while staying on the same protocol
14:38<trippeh>its like the session data goes poof
14:38<trippeh>could be
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14:38<zifnab>netefficacy: probably email
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14:39<zifnab>netefficacy: any of those methods should work
14:39<trippeh>though i've not seen firefox do that very often
14:39<trippeh>safari on the other hand ;)
14:39<dwfreed>trippeh: OS X?
14:39<trippeh>dwfreed: Nope. Ubuntu 14.04
14:40<dwfreed>trippeh: is privacy extensions on?
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14:40<trippeh>dwfreed: yes, but has not changed yet.
14:41<dwfreed>trippeh: turn it off anyway
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14:42<trippeh>I'm still on the same address as on boot, so it wasnt that
14:42<netefficacy>zifnab: thank you
14:42<dwfreed>I'd also suggest loading up a tab with in it, and refresh it periodically
14:42<trippeh>unless ff is randomly selecting between the eui or pe :P
14:44<dwfreed>it very well could be
14:45<trippeh>maybe, only recently started using firefox, due to lack of hidpi in chrome.
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14:47<trippeh>hm. rtt's to the manager is all over the map from here today.
14:47<trippeh>so could be ff switching v4/v6
14:47<trippeh>yay hampering eyeballs
14:47<hawk>"happy eyeballs" until you get your sessions killed repeatedly
14:48<dwfreed>happy eyeballs needs to die
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15:14<justinf77>Hi everyone. Trying to configure Apache on my new linode but having a little difficulty.
15:14<justinf77>I’m following the Getting Started guide
15:14<justinf77>But this section is nowhere to be found in apache2.conf: <IfModule mpm_prefork_module>
15:14<justinf77>Any ideas?
15:16<rnowak>which distribution?
15:16<justinf77>Ubuntu 14.04
15:17<buhman>justinf77: most guides have not been updated for httpd 2.4
15:18<linbot>New news from forum: Linode, LXC, and Unprivilaged Containers in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
15:18<justinf77>ah ok, guess ill have to figure this out then. havent set up a server like this without webmin
15:19<rnowak>I've not used apache for a while, but looks like the configuration bit you are looking for may be in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mpm_prefork.conf from a bit of googling
15:19<buhman>justinf77: the event mpm is used by default; said ifmodule isn't so much important as the following directories.
15:19<buhman>directives* rather
15:19<buhman>justinf77: it's also likely best to avoid prefork if possible
15:20<justinf77>ok thanks. ill try to find a guide on setting up httpd 2.4 then
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17:51<piavpn>Please contact us with the best prices
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17:52<@akerl>I don't think I'll be contacting them
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17:57<jed>Please contact us with the best prices
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18:00<Peng>It's kind of them. Linode's "best prices" would probably include a 200% "abuse nightmare" surcharge. ;)
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18:01<@akerl>Still no 3.14.3, trippeh :P
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18:04<trippeh>akerl: and no tun fix in the queue either!
18:07<trippeh>Tue May 6 15:38:47 UTC 2014
18:07<trippeh>greg and his weirdly specific deadlines
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18:44<@akerl>pluesch: You were the one who was playing with STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG, right?
18:44<@akerl>Or am I thinking of somebody else?
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19:58<cxvxc>can you use cpanel with this cloud server
19:59<cxvxc>and what's the difference between this and vps server
19:59<@caker>yes, you can - but you need to install it / license it on your own
19:59<cxvxc>does this cloud server include that?
19:59<cxvxc>license fee
20:00<@caker>"you need to install it / license it on your own"
20:00<cxvxc>does linode offer it per month
20:00<cxvxc>say $10 per month for cpanel/whm
20:00<@akerl>No, we do not sell cPanel licenses at all
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20:02-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*oftc-webi@72.238.145.*] by caker
20:02<MaliutaLap>would seem to be a good move
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20:23<rnowak>is that from an actual patent application?
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20:46<dmkc>Do you have larger speed test files than the 100MB ones?
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20:47<dwfreed>not currently, but you could probably keepalive request the 100MB one repeatedly
20:47<dmkc>Your network is so fast the file downloads before my speed maxes out
20:49<Peng>keep-alive, huh? That's an intersting idea.
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20:50<dmkc>dwfreed: Sorry, but how do I do that?
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20:51<Peng>You enjoy writing HTTP clients, right?
20:51<dwfreed>make curl pull the same file multiple times
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21:20<Taylor>Perihelion can you help me install java for my rs bot
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21:30<tkennedy>I apologize.. Old inside joke
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22:03<DhawalD>Hi, Is this the right place to dicuss a new account?
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22:05<jojo>Hello, is anyone on here?
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22:05<jojo>I just have a quick question concerning your 2048 plan for Dallas, TX
22:06<jojo>When will linode have another available slot for 2048 in Dallas, TX?
22:07<James>As soon as they get new hosts racked up
22:07<Swabby>Hello - Does nayone have any experience setting up Longview? I went through the instructions but i'm not getting any dea.
22:07<James>Tried another location? You can request a migration once they're available
22:07<James>Swabby: how long have you waited?
22:07<dwfreed>Swabby: what does /etc/init.d/longview status say?
22:07<Swabby>james: 20 minutes?
22:08<Swabby>dwfreed: longview is running
22:09<dwfreed>Swabby: pastebin the output of this command: cat /var/log/linode/longview.log
22:09<jojo>alright, thank you for the feedback
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22:11<dwfreed>Swabby: apt-get install ca-certificates
22:11<dwfreed>stan_theman / psandin: ^ add that as an explicit dep in the debian package, please ♥
22:12<Swabby>dwfreed: says already newest version / 7 packages not upgraded
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22:13<dwfreed>Swabby: pastebin 'aptitude show ca-certificates' and 'ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt'
22:14<Swabby>dwfreed: i can't get aptitude to work, this is ubuntu 14.04
22:14<dwfreed>apt-get install aptitude :)
22:15<@akerl>such deps
22:15<dwfreed>akerl: psh :P
22:16<Swabby>dwfreed: the only certs we got here are the ones for our ssl ... the ca-cert isn't there.
22:16<@akerl>Since we only need ca-certificates because LWP's HTTPS code needs it, seems the sane way to do it
22:16<@akerl>Swabby: I thought you said ca-certificates was installed?
22:16<@akerl>It's a package, and it's what sets up trust for the CAs of the world
22:17<Swabby>says 7 not there another command i need to do to force it to pull down?
22:17<@akerl>apt-get dist-upgrade
22:18<@akerl>But at this moment I'm more curious about the output of the other command dwfreed asked for
22:18<@akerl>`ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt`
22:18<@akerl>well that's interesting indeed
22:18<@akerl>Does it cat them in postinst?
22:18<dwfreed>akerl: postinst script runs update-ca-certificates
22:19<dwfreed>who needs owned files?
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22:19<Swabby>akerl: that directory doesn't exist
22:19<@akerl>Swabby: ...
22:19<@akerl>Did you delete it?
22:19<Swabby>akerl: no
22:19<dwfreed>what does 'update-ca-certificates' output?
22:19<Swabby>i'm wonedering if i may have when we installed the SSL Certificates a few weeks ago by accident
22:20<Swabby>dwfreed: can't cd to /etc/ssl/certs
22:20<dwfreed>mkdir /etc/ssl/certs; update-ca-certificates
22:20<Swabby>i have localcerts
22:20<Swabby>not certs
22:20<Swabby>ok they're all there now
22:20<@akerl>Swabby: Nuking the system's cert is not good
22:20<Swabby>/etc/ssl/certs is populated
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22:21<@akerl>Now restart longview?
22:21<Swabby>it says collecting data i think we're moving somewhere
22:21<Swabby>i really appreciate your help by the way
22:22<Swabby>we're golden.. i got data
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22:38<Swabby>One last thing..anything special i need to do to get the apache portion of longview to work?
22:39<Swabby>I went through the tutorial on troubleshooting, modified the status.conf, restarted the service
22:41<SDr>hi #linode ,after having done an IP Swap, where I've moved 2 IP addresses to a newly configured host, the second one of these ip addresses fail to come up
22:41<dwfreed>SDr: ping what would be the default gateway of the IP that isn't working
22:42<SDr> <- /etc/network/interfaces
22:42<dwfreed>SDr: ie, if the address that isn't working is, then ping
22:42<SDr>darn, I need to add a gateway to that, don't I?
22:42<dwfreed>you should only have 1 gateway
22:42<SDr>64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=255 time=1.26 ms
22:43<dwfreed>SDr: now the IP should work
22:43<dwfreed>64 bytes from icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=112 ms
22:43<dwfreed>and indeed it does :)
22:43<SDr>yup, and I'm on the road again! yay
22:44<SDr>huh, ipv6 is non-transferable?
22:45<dwfreed>the SLAAC address is not, not
22:45<dwfreed>not, no *
22:45<dwfreed>because it's tied to the Linode's MAC address
22:45<dwfreed>which is not changeable
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23:14<James>dwfreed: (well, it can cause problems if you change it ;) )
23:14<dwfreed>James: no, it's actually not possible to change
23:14<James>thought it was just linked to the domain's config
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