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---Logopened Thu Jun 12 00:00:03 2014
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00:00*trippeh ponders going to the office - or to bed
00:01<Eugene>To the bedfice!
00:01<dozn>bed, get up earlier tomorrow, _then_ go to the office
00:01<trippeh>Its 6am
00:01<dozn>I stand by my statement
00:02<Eugene>And just like that, I go from 4 Linodes down to 1. woo.
00:04<trippeh>Actually chainloading grub2 from pv-grub was kinda nice. Up to date OS managed bootloader. None of those legacy packages to manage menu.lst automatically
00:05<dwfreed>back in my day, we wrote menu.lst by hand, and we liked it
00:05*Mamizou still does
00:05<trippeh>back in my day, we used lilo.conf
00:05<dwfreed>(to writing by hand)
00:06<Peng>Making pv-grub load grub2 load Linux actually works? That sounds like it would summon a demon.
00:08<dwfreed>it does
00:08<dwfreed>trippeh just hasn't noticed yet
00:08<James>how do you do that
00:08<trippeh>more or less like this:
00:09<trippeh>I changed the shim from xen-shim to shim-xen though, to avoid distro integration thinking it is a hypervisor and add extra useless entries for it
00:11<James>it's grub-xen
00:12<trippeh>James: grub-xen is grub 2.x upstream
00:12<trippeh>not a fork or anything
00:12<trippeh>its just its xen target
00:12<James>so i just install grub2 in gentoo and go from there?
00:12<Eugene>I feel like you guys are just tossing words together now
00:13<trippeh>James: no idea how gentoo has it packaged, if it builds the xen target at all
00:13<Eugene>Also, why do the Linode NSes seme to prefer AXFR via IPv4? is it because I specified my v4 address as the first on in the masters list I gave?
00:13<dwfreed>(hint: equery uses grub:2)
00:13<dwfreed>Eugene: yes
00:14*Eugene sighs, switches them all around
00:14<Mamizou>good to go now
00:14<trippeh>Eugene: my hidden master only has v6, so thats not a problem. ;)
00:15<trippeh>isp refused to give me moar ipv4
00:15<James>output from equery u grub
00:16<Mamizou>[ 0.000000] Xen version: 4.4.1-pre (preserve-AD)
00:16<Mamizou>that is new :O
00:16<Mamizou>(i think)
00:16<trippeh>Mamizou: that on linode?
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00:17<James>another gnutls update?
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00:17<Mamizou>did the new ssd hosts get a xen update too?
00:17<James>they would have
00:17<trippeh>mine seems to still be 4.1.x
00:17<trippeh>even the ssd's
00:18<Peng>They recently-ish got, but that's hte newest I've seen.
00:18<James>i'm on
00:18<Peng>James: I don't see anything on the GnuTLS site.
00:18<James>Peng: must be a delayed gentoo stabilisation
00:20<trippeh>Mamizou: that 4.4.1 paste is on linode?
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00:21<Mamizou>ok now for the next super-fun part: updating mediawiki
00:22<trippeh>I still have some vm's on xen 3.x on some other providers :o
00:25<James>trippeh: yeah, i need grub 2.02 for xen
00:27<trippeh>"The internal function inode_capable was used inappropriately. Depending on configuration, this may be usable to escalate privileges."
00:27<trippeh>Another One(tm) ;)
00:28<James>Mamizou: cat /sys/hypervisor/version/{major,minor,extra} says 4.4.1?
00:28<Mamizou>yep yep
00:29<Peng>TIL /sys/hypervisor/
00:29<James>You didn't know about that?
00:29<Peng>Does AVX work in 4.4.1? >_>
00:29<Peng>I didn't know about that.
00:29<Mamizou>not sure yet
00:29<Mamizou>i'm afraid to re-enable it lol
00:29<James>Mamizou: cat /proc/cpuinfo
00:29<Mamizou>oh the flag'll be there
00:29<Mamizou>that's the tricky part
00:29<James>Mamizou: is the AVX flag in there
00:29<James>it isn't for me
00:30<James>linode removed the flag xen-side
00:30<Mamizou>it always has been for me
00:30<Mamizou>you just can't actually run it
00:30<James>it was in the early days
00:30<James>then all the hosts got rebooted that didn't obfuscate it
00:30<James>cos shit broke
00:30<Mamizou>i've always seen the flag but i intentionally build without it
00:31<James>gentoo? :p
00:31<Mamizou>(borked my linode pretty much a year ago exactly)
00:31<Peng>How recently have you checked if the flag was still there?
00:31<Mamizou>a couple seconds ago
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00:31<James>try it again
00:31<James>if it doesn't break
00:31<James>Mamizou: which DC are you in?
00:33<MotoHoss>looks the same as the one in NJ ....
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00:35<Mamizou>it's also a matter of rebuilding a package that'll actually use it
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00:36<James>Mamizou: at least you don't need openssl to rebuild it
00:36<James>so if it dies in the ass
00:36<James>you can just change the cflags
00:36<James>and rebuild
00:39<James>4 minutes
00:39<James>no reply
00:39<James>much refund
00:39<Mamizou>hold on hold on
00:39<James>i submitted a support ticket
00:39<Mamizou>hah really
00:39<dcraig>I submitted *to* a support ticket
00:39<James>to see if AVX works
00:40<James>so if i buy a cpu
00:40<James>there is a chance dcraig broke it
00:40<Mamizou>it's done
00:40<dcraig>though I think they test them??
00:41<James>yeah, they 'test' them
00:41<Peng>it's an NSA backdoor
00:41<Mamizou>definitely built with different instructions
00:44<Mamizou>i guess it's working
00:46<dcraig>there's no stopping you now
00:46<Mamizou>now for the coup de grace
00:46<Mamizou>will php choke on it again
00:47<dcraig>is wayne brady gonna have to choke a php?
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00:51<Eugene>Man, Linode support is really slipping. I remember when tickets were answered in under 30 seconds.
00:51<dcraig>how long does it take now?
00:51<dcraig>4 minutes average?
00:52<Mamizou>(i'll admit, i take longer than that for tickets i get assigned to at my work :V)
00:54<Eugene>It's at "4 minutes ago" now. I'll let you know.
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00:54<Eugene>To be fair, this is a "wtf?" network issue that I'm hitting
00:55<James>Mamizou: is it working?
00:55<Mamizou>it hasn't died yet
00:55<Mamizou>i'm trying other things
00:55<James>the ticket response was useless
00:56<Mamizou>linode is playing coy with you
00:57<James>i can migrate easily
00:57<James>my slaac address doesn't even get used in my config for -anything-
00:57<James>other than routing over it
00:58<James>flags : fpu de tsc msr pae cx8 apic sep cmov pat clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht syscall nx lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm ida arat epb xsaveopt pln pts dtherm fsgsbase erms
00:58<Mamizou>yes yes
00:59<Eugene>Annnnd headdesk
01:00<James>Xen 4.4.1-pre
01:03<Mamizou> php before and after rebuilding
01:04<Mamizou>ok php restarted
01:04<Mamizou>no segfaulting yet
01:05<Mamizou>might be safe to say it's working
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01:09<Peng>Cue a hardware failure and a migration to a server with no AVX.
01:09<James>i found one in fremont
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01:11<Mamizou>been there and done that alreadylol
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01:15<trippeh>can I request a migration to a server with -funroll-loops
01:15<trippeh>ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
01:17<acald3ron>went its going to be 32 bits migration ?
01:17<James>acald3ron: they said ~months~
01:17<Mamizou>they're migrating to 68000-based hosts
01:17<James>this host is 64-bit only
01:17<James>Mamizou: lel
01:18<Mamizou>for a little more you can get time on a 68020
01:18<Mamizou>they call it 'blast processing'
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01:29<James>gentoo calls grub2 commands like "grub2-mkconfig"
01:29<James>due to multislot
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01:36<James>Mamizou: rebuild kernel with AVX stuff enabled
01:38<Mamizou>can't right now
01:39<James>i will be
01:39<James>then i shall report back
01:39<James>with my SUCCESS
01:40<James>Peng: yeah, if that happens i'll be screwed
01:40<James>since my system won't work
01:41<Mamizou>linode giveth, and linode taketh away
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03:02<JediMaster>all night long I've been getting packet 10-40% losses from newark to London =/
03:02<JediMaster>admins can't see any problem despite numerous mtrs showing otherwise, and *thousands* of nagios warnings
03:05*Ikaros tests from his own Newark node
03:05<Meyer^>It seems to be fine over ipv4. I see some packetloss over ipv6 though.
03:05<dcraig>my mtr from london to newark looks ok
03:06<dcraig>maybe it only works in reverse :D
03:07<dcraig>what's your mtr look like, jedi master?
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03:08<Ikaros>Nothing wrong from my Newark node -> London.
03:08<JediMaster>that's what people said last night
03:08<JediMaster>dcraig, variable, I'm seeing 0-60% packet losses on the final hop
03:09<Meyer^>I see no problems over v4. About 10% packetloss over v6
03:09<dcraig>what's the final hop?
03:09<Meyer^>between london <-> newark that is
03:09<JediMaster>we're monitoring 333 services on 35 servers from our newark machine, a lot are in Linode London, some others in other DCs in the UK, but all are affected from time to tim
03:10<JediMaster>dcraig, right now,
03:10*Ikaros is tracing to the LiSH gateway in London
03:10<JediMaster>16% at the moment
03:10<JediMaster>the weird thing is that it's not consistent
03:10<Ikaros>And I spoke too soon.
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03:11<Ikaros>The gateway server is showing loss now
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03:11<JediMaster>Ikaros, would you mind pastebin'ing a mtr?
03:11<Ikaros>I'd have to restart it real quick but sure
03:11<Ikaros>Just to confirm.
03:11<JamesTKirk>such moo
03:12<JediMaster>much cow
03:13<Ikaros>I will mention that I do have the usual Telecity muckery with rate-limiting, so don't be surprised by that when you see it.
03:14<JediMaster>26% now
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03:15<JediMaster>thank you
03:15<JediMaster>any higher than 6%?
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03:16<Ikaros>Before I restarted it, varied from that to about ~15%
03:16<Ikaros>And let me just say this real quick, fuck you Telecity for messing with my readings.
03:17<JediMaster>yeah, I have 73.3% losses from telecity hop right now
03:17<Ikaros>Well yeah that's normal on a trace/ping
03:17<JediMaster>what's funny is that I still have the keyfob that gave me access to the DC that that hop is in
03:17<Ikaros>Because they mess with it
03:17<JediMaster>the very floor it's on even =)
03:18<Ikaros>You wanna go smack the router a bit?
03:18<JediMaster>used to have some co-lo in redbus
03:18<JediMaster>unfortunately it's 9 years old, so likely doesn't work now
03:18<dcraig>jedi I got the keyfob to urmoms place lol
03:19*Ikaros looks at dcraig with a stare that could boil eggs in seconds
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03:19<JediMaster>hayfever just started for the day
03:19<Ikaros>I always liked to joke around, saying 'smack that router and tell it to stop dropping your packets like the clumsy thing that it is'
03:20<JediMaster>until you did then you got fired?
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03:20<Ikaros>I mean obviously don't actually do it
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03:21<Ikaros>What, you kidding? Only router I ever had the opportunity to screw with was the one handling the public wifi traffic from the various access points. Wonderful piece of junk Cisco.
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03:21<Ikaros>I didn't even have to lay a finger on it for it to fuck itself up
03:22<Ikaros>Doesn't need MY help
03:22<dcraig>Ikaros! children are present!
03:22<Ikaros>Yeah and
03:22<Ikaros>Hardware pisses me off.
03:22<Ikaros>And no that router I never really physically touched except when I was attaching to it to console it
03:23<fl0w>I wish I was a child again .. like, mentally I am, but if my ID confirmed that I wouldn’t be so akward at times
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03:24<Ikaros>I mean sure I could "fix" it, make it actually stop dropping packets. Then like the bright minds that they are, other people in IT decided it was hurting performance when in fact it was improving it, and reversed my changes.
03:25*dcraig gets the violin
03:25<Ikaros>I had freaking coursework to handle, I couldn't have those morons screwing with my work each time I did something to fix throughput, so there was a point where I said, "Go fix it yourself, idiot. I'm done."
03:25<Ikaros>I mean sure OBVIOUSLY you think you know better than me how to fix a problem on that thing.
03:25<Ikaros>So go do it, no, you don't need ME to do it
03:26<Ikaros>Still crap from what I hear from my friends up there, they still use the wifi, and it still sucks ass.
03:27<JamesTKirk>can anyone ping6
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03:27<JamesTKirk>never mind
03:27<JamesTKirk>now it works
03:27<Ikaros>Well I was about to say, it works fine
03:27<Ikaros>Pinged perfect
03:27<James>too awhile for the routes to work
03:28<dcraig>works ok for me!
03:28<James>took me to ping it from the outside for the routers to go "oh, he's moved that linode to a new host!"
03:28<JediMaster>yay "Thank you for the additional reports. We have been able to confirm the loss and are currently investigating. When we have further information we will update this ticket!"
03:28<dcraig>wow, they even ended with an exclamation point
03:28<Ikaros>Exclamation points rock.
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03:29<dcraig>guy says to the mathematician, "give me 5!"
03:29<dcraig>mathematician says, "120"
03:29<James>wow, i get hella low latency to my vps in LA
03:29<dcraig>linode doesn't have a datacenter in LA
03:30*Ikaros is using a VPS in Seattle to connect here
03:30<dcraig>Ikaros, you're getting a bit too close for comfort
03:31<James>dcraig: my lol123systems vps which JamesTKirk is on
03:31<James>via he's lax ipv6 tunnel
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03:31<dcraig>oh hey I'm going to LAX tomorrow
03:31<Ikaros>Though I'll probably switch back to direct connection by Thurs night while the host does some router reboot thing.
03:32<MrGeneral>YoLtA is spamming
03:32<MrGeneral>[08:30:50] <YoLtA> Hello. i'm eRic M France. I'm there to share information concerning theories about our origins. Monotheism & Evolution's theory are based on beliefs 'cause nothing in science can establish that these théories are correct
03:32<MrGeneral>[08:30:50] <YoLtA> However, the new one considering that we have been created by human beings of a most advanced civilisation mastering biotechnologies (intelligent Design) is enlightened with real facts. Wanna read about it ?
03:32<Ikaros>Won't be spamming me.
03:32<MrGeneral>cool :D
03:33<Ikaros>I actually used to punish people back in the day that PM'd me without my permission. Automatic script that kickbanned them from any channel I was op in and they shared with me at the time.
03:34<dcraig>don't cross Ikaros
03:34<MrGeneral>hehee yeah, but I'm not an oper here, otherwise I'd do the same:D
03:34<MrGeneral>well, I'd kick that spammer at least:P
03:34<Ikaros>NoIf I was in an environment where I wasn't opped anywhere, it just set an autoignore.
03:34<MJCS>we have a spammer
03:35<MJCS>YoLtA: be a spammin
03:35<Ikaros>Just ignore it until someone bans it.
03:35<md_5>he got me too
03:35<Ikaros>Which will happen at some point.
03:35*md_5 stabbity stab
03:36<Musfuut>I reported it to #oftc but they probably won't do anything until others complain
03:36<Ikaros>Or I would say cross over into my territory, and I'll have some fun at its expense.
03:36<Musfuut>ah cool md_5 xD
03:36<Ikaros>I can be...vicious...with spammers.
03:36<dcraig>Musfuut, while you wait, maybe you'd like to read some literature about our origins
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03:38<Ikaros>And yes, dcraig, on IRC, I'm not one to be crossed. Though that was definitely more prevalent years ago, not so much nowadays.
03:38<@jfred>I got a similar spam message a few days ago, the user was banned a few mins later
03:38<Ikaros>I'm more laid back than I was a few years ago, I will say that much.
03:40<Ikaros>Hm. Be right back, need to see if I can't tweak something real quick...
03:40<Ikaros>Over v6 when I would prefer v4...
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03:42<dcraig>I requested a year ago, and OFTC is still processing that request...
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03:42<Ikaros>Ah well. So much for that.
03:42<dcraig>wb, Ikaros
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03:43<dcraig>wb, Ikaros
03:44<Ikaros>Well that's better.
03:44<@jfred>Why would you prefer v4 though? o.o
03:44<Ikaros>I dunno. Personal preference?
03:44<dcraig>the same reason people like classic rock
03:44<Ikaros>Since my ISP is too lame/cheap/stupid to implement native IPv6?
03:45<MJCS>Ikaros: what isp
03:45<Ikaros>They want me to dump $99 + shipping, for a router that supports IPv6. When they don't even offer native yet.
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03:45<Ikaros>At least not in this market
03:45<Ikaros>MJCS: Verizon FiOS
03:46<MJCS>verizon doesnt? That is shocking
03:46<MJCS>Cox does
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03:46<Ikaros>Verizon does on their mobile network.
03:46<MJCS>but you ahve to ask for it
03:46<md_5>can you run stack scripts on finnix?
03:46<Ikaros>...why would you want to do that
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03:47<md_5>nope :(
03:48<Pupeno>I'm thinking of creating a linode with more than one partition. Is there any good recommendations on which partitions to create?
03:49<Ikaros>MJCS: They certainly have IPv6 blocks allocated to them if you looked at their AS
03:49<dcraig>some people like /home to be on its own
03:50<dcraig>maybe your log files?
03:50<dcraig>or your data, websites, etc.
03:50<Ikaros> me
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04:00<Ikaros>Dumbbutt should have known better than to spam people with that crap
04:01<danblack>Pupeno: what's your reason for multiple partitions?
04:02<Pupeno>I'm going to run GlusterFS and it warns: "Note: GlusterFS stores is dynamically generated configuration files at /var/lib/glusterd, if at any point in time GlusterFS is unable to write to these files it will at minimum cause erratic behavior for your system, or worse take your system offline completely. It is advisable to create separate partitions for directories such as /var/log to ensure this does not happen."
04:03<danblack>sounds like a good reason. use partitions for each glusterfs volume.
04:04<Pupeno>I'm planning on doing that.
04:04<Pupeno>But I'm wondering whether I should also separate /var/log, /tmp, etc.
04:04<dcraig>their suggestion is to create a separate partition for /var/log
04:05<dcraig>so why are you creating partitions for glusterfs volumes instead and only considering that you might make a partition for /var/log?
04:05<Ikaros>And suddenly I find myself crawling BGP
04:07<danblack>if somethings verbosely logging a separate /var/log could prevent out of disk space affecting other things. however just monitor your space.
04:07<Pupeno>dcraig: Linode has trouble backing up more than 2m files and I have more than double that that will go in the glusterfs. To be able to backup my linode, they asked me to store them in a separate partition.
04:08<danblack>i didn't think backups worked on non-ext234 partitions
04:08<James>let's see if avx breaks openssl!
04:08<dcraig>I think I'd figure out another backup plan
04:09<Pupeno>danblack: this is an ext3/4 partition.
04:09<danblack>on top of glustefs?
04:10<Pupeno>danblack: well, they wouldn't be backing up that partition, but glusterfs runs on top of ext3/4 (or any other fs)
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04:10<danblack>ah. have fun.
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04:13<Ikaros>...I laugh
04:13<MJCS>looks like a netadmin has a sense of humor
04:14<Ikaros>Don't it? That block is one of many allocated to the National Weather Service HQs
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04:17<Ikaros>ohey, found my netblock that my last IP was in. LOL it still has the A record I pointed at it
04:18*Ikaros gets lazy with that sometimes
04:23*dcraig tickles ikaros around a bit with a large moses sole
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04:29<James>Ikaros: heh
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04:30<Ikaros>Ooo also found the netblock for the city's ISD
04:31<Ikaros>I should be evil and breach their meager security on the wifi point I'm picking up from my apartment.
04:31<Ikaros>WEP. Pathetic.
04:31<Ikaros>Then again what point would there be in that, I'd just be 'infected' by their Websense crap
04:33<Ikaros>What, to me that's a virus that should just die.
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04:40<MatthewR>Hello, can someone please help me with Longview? I installed Longview and it froze. I resolved the DPKG being interrupted issue and now longview works except for the apache tab. When I go there I get the error message below. The troubleshooting docs didn't really help.
04:40<MatthewR>Unable to access local server status for Apache at 500 write failed: Bad file descriptor
04:45<AlexC_>MatthewR: Can you access from within your 'node? Try with curl for example
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04:51<MatthewR>I get this:
04:56<MatthewR>What do you think?
05:01<dcraig>I think you might be redirecting people to the https version of your site
05:03<MatthewR>Longview log says:
05:03<MatthewR>Unable to access local server status for Apache at 500 write failed: Bad file descriptor
05:03<dcraig>instead of returning the server status page, apache is redirecting you to https://127......
05:04<dcraig>does actually return the status page?
05:04<dcraig>like if you do your curl command but add an s
05:04<MatthewR>I don't think curl support https :(
05:05<dcraig>mine does
05:06<MatthewR>how do I configure this so that I can just tell mod_status to server using http?
05:06<MatthewR>Sorry, it's not in the troubleshooting guide, so I'm kind of lost
05:06<dcraig>on your real website, do you force users to use https?
05:07<dcraig>by redirecting http to https?
05:08<James>woo, my linode kernel is compressed with xz
05:09<MatthewR>there are too website vhosts on it. one does
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05:09<dcraig>it might also be redirecting the server status url
05:09<MatthewR>let me try to enable the default 000
05:12<MatthewR>i tried going to curl
05:12<MatthewR>now it gives me the It works output
05:12<MatthewR>So something else is wrong hehe
05:12<dcraig>you threw in an extra index.php
05:13<MatthewR>What do you mean?
05:14<dcraig>instead of trying, you tried
05:14<dcraig>see the index.php?
05:14<dcraig>right there in the middle
05:14<MatthewR>oh shoot
05:14<MatthewR>hang on
05:15<MatthewR>it works
05:15<MatthewR>dcraig, you are a genius!!!
05:15<dcraig>that's what they tell me...
05:16<MatthewR>Haha! Thanks a lot!
05:16<dcraig>nite nite
05:16<dcraig>enjoy longview!
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05:18<JediMaster>It appears Linode have re-routed traffic from Newark to London via cogentco instead of Linx to get around the packet losses
05:18<JediMaster>or at least their upstream provider has
05:19<JediMaster>not sure why but MTR seems to be getting a constant 3.3% packet loss on the final hop on london linodes now
05:19<JediMaster>but none anywhere else in the hops
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05:21<fl0w>I’m afraid to - but I would like to try CoreOS as a platform. Has anyone currently here tried running CoreOS on a Linode?
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05:27<James>have a go
05:27<James>might work
05:27<James>might not :)
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05:35<fl0w>I was hoping for some handholding :)
05:47*AlexC_ holds fl0ws hand
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05:57<@jfred>"Web Developer"
05:57<@jfred>as in, developed the web :P
05:59<synapt>fl0w: I did kind of a long time ago, not so much in a while though
06:01*James develops jfred
06:02<@jfred>I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave
06:03<James>jfred: if there was a hardware failure on fremont784, would i likely be put on a pre-xen-4.4.1 host, thus breaking my linode? :P
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06:05<James>i like moving my linodes around
06:05<James>screw statistics
06:09<nici>and linode employees get satisfaction from breaking your stuff! ;$
06:11<@jfred>James: Why would your Linode break pre-xen-4.4.1? O.o
06:13<praetorian>it's James. best not asking
06:13<James>jfred: AVX is finally working on xen-4.4.1
06:14<James>nici: :D
06:14<James>praetorian: you back in aus yet?
06:15*James goes to stalk the praetorian
06:15<praetorian>in my quest to spend most of this year not in australia, im out of the country again in a month
06:16<AlexC_>I'll swap with you, praetorian
06:16<AlexC_>(but take the spiders with you, please)
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06:19<praetorian>planes not big enough.
06:19<praetorian>but ill leave you james.
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07:03<Gika>so no known issues when switching to a 64-bit kernel?
07:03<Gika>except xtables/openiscsi/java
07:03<@akerl>No known issues except the ones that exist :P
07:04<Gika>fair enough :D
07:05<James>xen-detect from xen-tools says "Running in HVM context on Xen v4.4."
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07:25<James>Well shit
07:26<James>woo tickets
07:27<James>aarnet down
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07:33<Megane>hi im having problem right now with my server. i already send ticket last 15minutes ago. but still no ans
07:33<one>what problem
07:33<Megane>as of 18:58:01 GMT+8. im unable to access my server thru HTTP/SSH
07:33<@akerl>Did you check Lish?
07:34<Megane>unable to access either
07:34<@akerl>Why not?
07:34<Megane>it's just connecting
07:34<Megane>nothing happens
07:34<Megane>This webpage is not available
07:35<@akerl>That sounds like a local issue, because lish in all our DCs is working fine
07:35<James>Megane: fremont?
07:35<James>fremont is down for me over ipv4 too
07:35<Megane>status isn't updating
07:35<@akerl>James: :|
07:35<James>akerl: check my loltickets
07:35<James>fremont is borked
07:35<@akerl>fremont IPv4 is working fine, I just tested the Lish server there
07:36<James>akerl: ... FROM AUSTRALIA it doesn't work
07:36<Megane>here Ph
07:36<James>and some other places
07:36<@akerl>And that makes it a problem with fremont? I'm more inclined to think it's a problem between australia and fremont
07:37<Puglet__>Since about 15 minutes ago, I also can't access certain hosts from Fremont.
07:37<@akerl>Puglet__: MTR?
07:37<James>drops out after
07:37<Puglet__>Forward traceroute stops within HE. Reverse traceroute stops at
07:37<James>my mtr's are in my tickets!
07:37<James>linodes recursives can't even resolve some domains
07:38<Megane>hopefully this can be resolved cause it a pain :3
07:38<James>works fine within the US
07:38<James>since it doesn't go through pao
07:39<Megane>4 time outs after on tracert
07:39<James>olol drops out at for me too
07:39<hays>this is not a linode question so feel no obligation to answer it.. I'm on another cheap VPS as well as linode and for some reason https and scp (both) downloads from it to my home account are very slow, whereas the connection itself to other places appears to be speedy. I checked top and things looked ok from a resource perspective.. any guesses what might be at play there?
07:40<James>Megane: yeah, asia/australia seem to go via guam most of the time anyway
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07:40<hays>my only guess is that it could be a peering issue
07:41<James>some other AU ip's are working
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07:48<Tauqeer>Can we buy linode using a debit card
07:49<@akerl>If it can also work as a credit card
07:49<Tauqeer>can anyone help
07:49<Tauqeer>can anyone help?
07:50<rosemary>Is it possible to change OS?
07:51<Megane>MTR is disappointment
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07:51<Tauqeer>yes i can buy online other sites but
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07:51<Tauqeer>on linode it is not working
07:51<Tauqeer>so need a confirmation
07:53<@akerl>Tauqeer: What does it say when you try to use it?
07:53<Tauqeer>it says your card cannot be authorized
07:54<@akerl>Then either your bank is blocking the charge or it won't work
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07:56<James>jfred: !
07:56<Tauqeer>akerl oka thanks
07:56*James hugs jfred
07:56<Tauqeer>i will contact my bank then.
07:56<@jfred>James: Oh haha that was you?
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07:57<James>dropping out in LA somewhere
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07:58<James>Tauqeer: some banks limit o/seas transactions too
07:59<James>mikegrb: such anu
07:59<James>many edu
07:59<James>err mike__
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07:59<fl0w>akerl: any ETA on new London slots?
07:59<mike__>James: yup
07:59<sandeep>Tauqeer: does your debit card say 'for electronic use only'?
07:59<James>fl0w: i submitted a ticket, and i will know when you know
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07:59<James>sandeep: that shouldn't prevent them from using linode, would it?
08:00<fl0w>James: Sweet.
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08:00<sandeep>does for me o-o
08:00<James>fl0w: got put on a 'waiting list'
08:00<mike__>is freemont down? i can't access the ajax console at all, or ssh in :(
08:00<sandeep>then again. none of the indian debit cards work online
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08:00<James>mike__: yeah, i submitted a ticket
08:00<troy>i've had my credit card company multiple times block my card because of linode transactions, even though it comes out every month and i've told them on multiple occasions its fine *rolleyes*
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08:00<James>mike__: upstream issue. ipv6 works
08:00<trippeh>James: cloud is out again?? just servers??
08:00<mike__>oh ok
08:01<@jfred>Guess we have a lot of australian users here? :P
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08:01<James>jfred: well, fremont is the best location for australian users :p
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08:01<troy>jfred: yes, for some reason they seem to have u guys on a naughtly list or something :/
08:01<fl0w>What latency do you get from AU to a Fremont server?
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08:02<James>at the moment 100% packet loss :p
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08:02<James>over ipv4 from an aarnet ip
08:02<troy>fl0w: i'm on the west coast of australia so mine is the worst case scenario but i get around 220ms
08:02<James>180ms over ipv6
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08:02<mike__>yeah ~180ms
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08:03<fl0w>troy: that’s enough to put me off :(
08:03<James>my dsl ads a lot of latency though
08:03<synapt>Not having any issues with my IPv4 fremont here o.O
08:03<mike__>fl0w: good enough when the other half the internet is 250-300ms
08:03<James>synapt: it's only certain locations, phillipines and aarnet apparently
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08:04<James>maybe more
08:04<fl0w>AU is the black sheep of internet
08:04<synapt>missed that part (thought someone said all IPv4)
08:04<James>only know about those two
08:04<troy>fl0w: it would be probably 70ms less if i was on the east coast
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08:04<James>my telstra adsl works fine
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08:04<troy>fl0w: i get 170ms to japan though
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08:04<fl0w>troy: got an JP IP i can ping?
08:04<James>troy: if you're on an aarnet connection, 120ms to japan
08:05<fl0w>Want to try it from my location
08:05<James>fl0w: err, one of the speedtest ip's?
08:05<fl0w>James: right!
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08:05<troy>James: from WA?
08:05<James>troy: yeah
08:05<troy>James: nice
08:06<mike__>it's too bad that my anu/aarnet internet is manually capped at day-time by the internet wizards who run it :(
08:06<James>when the routes are working
08:06<James>atm it's not
08:06<James>mike__: heh
08:07<mike__>like, 100 KB/s down and up to anything not in australia... but any australian proxy gets around that
08:08*James goes to sleep
08:08<James>have fun
08:08<troy>so how does one go about getting an aarnet connection, do i need to move into a campus or something ;)
08:08<mike__>that's my trick
08:09<fl0w>I get pings ranging from 300ms to 1500ms in Sweden. But the LAN at the company is very “populated”. About 250ms from London Linode
08:11<troy>fl0w: thats not too great..
08:11<fl0w>it’s really not.
08:11<linbot>New news from forum: nginx + uwsgi + django problem in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
08:12<@jfred>1500ms D:
08:12*jfred reconsiders wanting to live in Sweden
08:14<fl0w>jfred: dont be alarmed, it’s the LANs fault.
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08:15<trippeh>LAN here is swamped today. Can only get 920Mbps from London
08:15<trippeh>thats like 20Mbps under the normal!!
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08:17<netshroud>is anyone else unable to access fremont Lish via ssh or web console?
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08:18<sandeep>other fellow aussies
08:18<troy>netshroud: yes, i've just tried fremont lish via the ajax console and its working fine for me
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08:20<netshroud>troy: what's your traceroute?
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08:23<netshroud>odd, I get
08:23<netshroud>I hope optus haven't screwed up their routing
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08:24<troy>netshroud: is it just lish thats not working or is it the same to your linode?
08:24<netshroud>same to my linode
08:24<troy>look screwy
08:24<netshroud>oh well there goes my help, I have the same routing issue to
08:25<netshroud>if only my sip's tier 1 support wasn't useless
08:25<troy>well thats optus ;)
08:26<James>trippeh: lol
08:26<James>netshroud: it looks like a issue
08:27<James>telstra is fine :p
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08:50<netshroud>aaand nobody at optus' network team is awake
08:50<netshroud>how does an ISP have nobody to fix things during the night?
08:50<@akerl>Like that
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08:54<nici>hey what's the new hotness in blogging software
08:54<nici>that's not really... new.
08:55<@akerl>If hipster new kit is your goal, Ghost, probably
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08:55<nici>yea i want hipster-y
08:55<nici>though wordpress has a lot of free/cheap themes so i don't really have to work too hard to make it nice
08:55<nici>instead i have to work hard at security
08:55<nici>so i don't get haxored.
08:55<@akerl>Should go static-site
08:56<@akerl>Jekyll is <3
08:57<nici>i should put my website back up
08:57<nici>i made a page that was the worst possible page i could think of
08:58<nici>as an homage to my 90s HTML "sk1llz"
08:58<James>changing configure flags in gentoo by exploiting epatch_user <3
08:58<nici>animated gifs
08:58<nici>midi background
08:58<nici>under construction sign
08:58<nici>comic sans
08:58<nici>blink tags
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08:58<nici>(i had to use javascript though because blink is no longer supported)
08:58<nici>i will put that back up
08:59<nici>haha it had a counter too
08:59<@akerl>Did it have a guestbook?
08:59<nici>no, but it was in a webring
08:59<nici>i should add a guestbook
09:00<nici>cyberwomen webring or something
09:01<praetorian>wait, are you describing akerl's current website?
09:01<@akerl>I mostly like my website now. Though to be fair I liked the plaintext version
09:01<nici>the only thing that would make it better is if it was hosted on geocities
09:01<nici>in Area51
09:01<@akerl>No CSS, no javascript, none of that fancy shit
09:02<James>lol screen "Attaching from inside of screen?"
09:02<nici>my sysadmin at work... made this huge deal about locking down sudo access for us lowly application admins
09:02<nici>but i can still type
09:02<nici>sudo screen
09:03<@akerl>nici: Don't worry, he's attaching to your screen to keep tabs on you
09:03<nici>so i shouldn't randomly delete iptables rules?
09:04<praetorian>the problem is you are using screen
09:04<praetorian>tmux or gtfo
09:04<James>i'd rather gtfo
09:04<James>screen fttw
09:04<nici>what is awesomesauce about tmux
09:04<praetorian>ok, see you james
09:04<nici>screen does what i need it to do
09:05<nici>so i never looked at anything else
09:05<@akerl>I guess I can't mock it for vertical split anymore
09:05<nici>oh see
09:05<nici>i'm not doing anything complicated
09:06<nici>but i can see how it would be nicer if you were doing more with it
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09:07<nici>i have like 8 app servers for my app at work, but i just ssh to them in tabs
09:08<nici>i think iTerm has tmux suppport built in though
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09:09<praetorian>it does
09:10<praetorian>also, re sudo etc.
09:10<nici>oh lord
09:10<nici>that's creepy
09:10<praetorian>someone at a client site recently "Hardened AD" and removed "impersonate users" from certain users
09:10<praetorian>including IIS USRS group (the group that has all the accounts IIS Sites run-under..)
09:11<praetorian>so suddently.. IIS couldn't impersonate anyone.. and all the sites broke.
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09:12<nici>i'm sure figuring that out was a pain
09:12<praetorian>it was.
09:12<praetorian>cost me a day.
09:13<nici>i'm not really familiar with AD/IIS anymore. my windows server experience is like way back Windows NT
09:13<praetorian>because they didnt actually tell me they had done anything.
09:13<nici>of course not
09:13<nici>because change management is silly!
09:13<praetorian>Yeah, I do both, for $DAYJOB
09:13<nici>ahh i used to work with slowaris
09:13<praetorian>it's not that bad, except when it is
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09:14<nici>my app used to be on those silly sun T2000 servers
09:14<troy>i spent the better part of two days trying to figure out why the SAN had decided to perform like a snail until finding out that the Battery Backup on the RAID had taken a holiday and the controller decided to turn off all caching.
09:14<nici>it was a nice day and the beach was so inviting
09:16<praetorian>sunfire t2000...hrm..
09:16<nici>well i run an EDU learning management system... apache/tomcat deal
09:16<nici>what it really needed was a few really fast CPUs
09:17<nici>and what it had was 8 cpus with weird "coolthreads" technology
09:17<nici>like 4 "virtual" cores or whatever
09:17<nici>it didn't work out well
09:17<praetorian>> prtdiag
09:17<praetorian>System Configuration: Sun Microsystems sun4u Sun Fire V120 (UltraSPARC-IIe 648MHz)
09:18<nici>our student information system runs on those M5000 servers now
09:18<nici>but they are getting ready to move it to redhat in our vmware env
09:18<nici>like everything else
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09:19<praetorian>M5000. insane.
09:19<nici>that's what they wanted my app to run on
09:19<praetorian>we went Vt440-> M3000 -> now to be T4-1 s
09:19<nici>but they are like 150k each
09:19<nici>or they were when we looked
09:19<praetorian>probably more.
09:20<nici>we USED to get a super fat .edu discount
09:20<nici>but then oracle came in and was like 'nope, you are paying what everyone else pays'
09:20<nici>'oh, and support is going to triple'
09:20<praetorian>sounds like oracle
09:21<nici>well they have us by the hair anyway
09:21<nici>we have an oracle db site license
09:21<nici>and all kinds of extra crap
09:21<praetorian>ah. we dont use oracle (the dbms)
09:21<praetorian>just.. solaris.
09:21<praetorian>on sparc.
09:21<praetorian>because sparc is damn solid.
09:21<nici>it does some stuff well
09:21<praetorian>"oops i just lost a cpu"
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09:22<praetorian>"okay, heres a new one, go forth"
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09:22<James>woo fremont i sback
09:22<praetorian>anyway.. im sure i have a T2000 somewhre
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09:24<praetorian>i know i have worse.
09:24*James hugs jfred some more
09:24<nici>do you have any v880s?
09:24*James gives jfred a complementary praetorian
09:26<praetorian>nici: nothing that huge.
09:27<praetorian>v440's is as big as we ever went
09:27<linbot>New news from blog: Summer Conferences 2014 <>
09:28<Karrde>I have a v890
09:29<praetorian>surely we have worse than that.
09:30<nici>your power bill must be massive
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09:31<Karrde>I think I finally scrapped all my Sun Ultra 10s and 5s
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09:31<Karrde>nuts, I found one still around
09:31<Karrde>SunOS redacted 5.7 Generic_106541-42 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10
09:32<praetorian>nici: probably, it's all colo.
09:32<praetorian>System Configuration: Sun Microsystems sun4u Sun Ultra 25 Workstation
09:33<nici>oh man one of our old solaris admins threw a tantrum when desktop support took away his old sun workstation
09:33<Karrde>I'm getting rid of my last HP-UX 11.00, and my only NCR Unix, this month :)
09:36<nici>apparently some software we use to charge back departments for phone service is running on an old v880
09:36<nici>because we do that.
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09:37<praetorian>okay im giving up looking what other relics we have.
09:38<nici>like 10 years ago when i first got here they just scrapped the old mainframe
09:38<nici>it had been sitting in the computing center unplugged
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09:41<praetorian>time to do that bed thing.
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09:46<erik_>Wow, a lot of people.
09:46<erik_>Anyone from Linode here?
09:46<@akerl>This is the user community
09:46<erik_>I see, so no support channel?
09:47<@jfred>Community support :P
09:47<@jfred>Official support is through tickets
09:47<erik_>Ok :)
09:47<erik_>I have another question though, maybe someone can help me.
09:49<erik_>I'm setting up a page with around 50-60k pageviews a day. Wordpress + PHP + MySQL (going to try to convert to Postgresql). I'm thinking of having 2x Linode 16GB, or 1x 16GB and 1x 32GB (there's room in the budget). Would that be sufficent? And would it be preferable to let the DB or WEB have the best server?
09:49<erik_>It's a blog.
09:50<erik_>Any opinions?
09:50<@akerl>You'd probably be better off having a NodeBalancer, a couple of Linode 2GB app servers, and a Linode 2GB database
09:50<@akerl>Or 2 Linode 2GB databases
09:50<AlexC_>erik_: Seems a bit much to be going for 16GB linodes ... you're only getting < 1 request a second there
09:51<erik_>Yes, but at peak it has reached 100-150. National media coverage etc.
09:51<erik_>So since the budget is high, I thought better safe than sorry.
09:51<erik_>100-150/s that is.
09:52<erik_>But only for a short time, of course.
09:52<@akerl>erik_: You're going to have much better results scaling horizontally than vertically
09:52<AlexC_>erik_: Still, I'd go for many smaller nodes
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09:53<erik_>Is the nodebalancer a good balancer to use? Instead of setting up a nginx one yourself?
09:54<@akerl>Considering an nginx balancer you set up yourself is not highly available and NodeBalancers are...
09:59<erik_>I see :)
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10:06<erik_>But what would benefit the best from higher hardware? A DB or WEB-server?
10:06<@akerl>Depends where your bottleneck is
10:08<erik_>So the best here would be to just experiment and see what works best, logical enough!
10:08<erik_>Really excited to see how it performs.
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10:08<erik_>They're now running Apache with PHP. I'm thinking of going for a nginx with php-fpm instead.
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10:21<fl0w>erik_: I concur with what people are saying here .. work it vertically!
10:21<erik_>Yes, more hardware than nodes?
10:21<fl0w>I’m retarded, horizontally*
10:21<fl0w>more smaller nodes*
10:22<fl0w>We have a couple of WP sites and they’re pretty heavy - easier to scale that load horizontally
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10:23<erik_>Many page views?
10:24<fl0w>meh.. ~30k
10:24<fl0w>per day
10:25<erik_>Okey, around the same then. How many servers are you running?
10:26<fl0w>hah, a single duo 2GB, DB+HTTP
10:26<fl0w>two 2GB* nodes
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10:27<fl0w>but don’t compare my stats to yours, our wp site is very light - your experience might be different
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10:28<AlexC_>erik_: Apache + PHP-FPM still works nicely, may make migration easier
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10:36<nici>jekyll is neat
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12:04<newuser>anyone online?
12:05*mbax waves at newuser
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12:06<newuser>could anyone tell me how many GB transfer of linode2GB host ?
12:07<newuser>they said 3TB in website .but they didnt tell if it is monthly or a year totaly?
12:09<Nivex>all values are aligned to the billing cycle, which is monthly
12:10<newuser>so i can get 3TB transfer every single month?
12:10<gparent>that's what monthly means yes
12:11<newuser>Could I pay by paypal?
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12:25<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: MariaDB <> || MariaDB Setup on Debian 7 <>
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12:46<Eugene>I'm confused as to why a Debian guide is referencing an Ubuntu trust key.
12:47<Eugene>Or is it just Canonical's GPG keyserver? Why can't the guide import it directly from MariaDB themselves?
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12:50<alexf>right, their keyserver. Lots of people use it, even for debian and other apt style distro packages
12:51<alexf>by downloading it directly they won't get updates automatically like they would using a repo
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12:54<dzho>heh, beat me to it
12:54<dzho>for those playing the home game, the upshot is that the instructions from specify for a Debian install of MariaDB
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12:55<Eugene>Indeed. But since they're specifying a paritulcar 0xcblah key, not importing the whole keyring, it's sensible.
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12:56<@akerl>Eugene: What
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12:57<Eugene>The last argument? The key they're grabbing is specified.
12:57<@akerl>Eugene: You're saying the way the Maria teams docs recommend is preferrable to the way our guide recommends, for the apt-key line?
12:58<Eugene>No; both are the same.
12:58<@akerl>So what are you saying?
12:58<Eugene>I was confused as to what the apt-key line /meant/
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12:59<Eugene>I first thought it was ading the entire Ubuntu trust root, but that was insane. WHat it's really doing is importing the MariaDB key from the Ubuntu-hosted server.
13:00<alexf>So we're all agreed that everything's just fine and dandy, right?
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13:00<Eugene>Except for the part where it's MySQL.
13:01<buhman>yeah, they should be using buhmanDB
13:01*alexf walks away
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13:05<Eugene>That's just a string-changed Sqlite, innit?
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13:58<zlike>hi, i'm curious about what is the maximum traffic allowed for NLB on linode?
13:59<zlike>it's just saying $20/month, but is there any limit for the traffic volume?
14:00<@caker>traffic quotas provided with your Linodes is pooled together, and the NB public traffic subtracts from this
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14:24<linbot>New news from forum: do I have 9TB transfer quota for NLB if I bought 3 $20 VPS? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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14:46<Nivex>I'm trying to configure Apache for AllowCONNECT so I can VPN from those godawful HTTP-only WiFi hotspots. I've got the directives in place but am still getting 405 Method Not Allowed
14:47<dwfreed>is the CONNECT behind basic auth, and are you sending basic auth?
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14:48<Nivex>I'm just trying to make it work before I worry about auth
14:49<Nivex>I'm open to other options too.
14:49<dwfreed>connect is your best option for HTTP only, unless you want to tunnel your traffic over DNS
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15:15<Eugene>A better use of your time is probably to buy a Cell-WiFi hotspot.
15:16<Nivex>someone just introduced me to sslh, which I'm poking at
15:16<Nivex>I can tether with my cell, but coverage in the room I'm going to be tonight isn't always the greatest
15:17<dwfreed>ah, yes, sslh would probably work better for this
15:18<Nivex>stupid limited wifis
15:20<Nivex>yeah, this is making my head hurt. I think I'll just take my chances with the tether.
15:20<dwfreed>sslh is at least based around a simple concept
15:21<Nivex>true, and I may use it later. Just not going to upend my entire Linode config two hours before I leave for the event
15:22<Nivex>i was really hoping to get to try eduroam, but $FORMER_EMPLOYER finally got around to canning my creds
15:24<Peng>For now you could buy another node and set it up with a VPN.
15:24<Nivex>I'm cheap.
15:24<Peng>Only for a day or two.
15:36<sirpengi>Nivex: why not just have sshd bind on port 80/443
15:36<sirpengi>they probably also have email ports open
15:36<Nivex>because I'm using 80 and 443 for their intended purpose, and no they don't have email open
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15:38<sirpengi>just spin up a new vps for the day
15:38<Nivex>plz2read scrollback
15:38<@akerl>"for the day"
15:38<@akerl>cost is under a dollar
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15:39<sirpengi>whereas, you're spending (possibly) hours trying to get it work otherwise
15:39<Nivex>don't want to give up my yearly discount yet
15:39<sirpengi>you can still do it
15:40<Peng>what do those two thingsh ave to do with each other?
15:40<dwfreed>cost is still under a dollar
15:40<sirpengi>you'll just give them $20 now, but you'll get it back prorated when you shut it down
15:40<sirpengi>so at the end, you'll be paying under a dollar
15:40<Nivex>15:20:28 < Nivex> yeah, this is making my head hurt. I think I'll just take my chances with the tether.
15:40<Peng>You can also register a second account.
15:40<Nivex>Thank you all for your assistance.
15:40<Peng>Nivex: Stop being happy with your decisions and do what we say! :(
15:42<Peng>I hate when a dumb joke kills hte channel.
15:43<Nivex>Peng: I know, right. Happened to me last night.
15:46<Karrde>Jose and Josb.
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16:14<gbyers>so how does the CSR deal work with linode
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16:14<dwfreed>the same way it would with any server; Linode just provides you a machine, and you're responsible for everything else
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16:15<dwfreed> goes through the process if you don't know how to make a CSR
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16:45<Peng>after reading that, it will be even worse: you *will* know how to make a CSR :(
16:45*Peng shudders at openssl
16:46<Nivex>ha! I just did that to rekey one of my OpenVPN instances (don't worry, it's been shut down since heartbleed)
16:56<Nivex>"unsupported certificat purpose"
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17:12<tonyyarusso>Nivex: Maybe $CURRENT_EMPLOYER = NULL because they saw that you used a horrifically inflexible system for tracking your work history that can only hold 2 employers at any given time, rather that using an array that you could grab any member from in order.
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17:26<Nivex>*slow clap*
17:29<Nivex>god I hate SSL
17:29<Nivex>I've just rekeyed twice now and I'm still getting "Self-signed certificate in chain" errors
17:30<coxn>I will be happy when major distros start shipping libressl as the default instead of openssl
17:31<Nivex>yeah, like THAT will happen
17:31<dwfreed>it will eventually, but it'll (surprise!) look a lot like OpenSSL
17:32<@akerl>libressl: because this time we'll not make any mistakes, for sure
17:33<coxn>have you actually been following their development process at all?
17:33<@akerl>I have
17:33<coxn>they're doing very sane things
17:33<@akerl>That's cute
17:33<coxn>it's not about making no mistakes
17:33<coxn>it's about reducing the likelihood of making catastrophic mistakes
17:33<Nivex>no, it's about money
17:34<coxn>Nivex: I think you need some evidence for that
17:34<@akerl>coxn: It's easy to do a lot of "sane" things when you don't need to worry about interop or having the entire weight of the internet as your user base
17:34<Nivex>alright, I need to get the hell out of here. I just wasted over an hour on this piece of sh_t and now I have to go pretend to be social at a LUG meeting
17:35<coxn>akerl: I'm not saying openssl don't have an incredibly difficult row to hoe, nor am I saying that development in libressl won't slow or face difficulties
17:35<coxn>what I am saying is that openssl is a mess and libressl seems to actually be doing needed cleanup
17:35<@akerl>Except it's wasted effort
17:35<coxn>maybe that will cause openssl to pick up a mop and bucket and do the same
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17:36<dwfreed>most of the cleanup comes from the fact that OpenBSD can actually rely on their implementations of various functions to be provably secure
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17:37<@akerl>Because one of two things will happen: patches from libre will be merged into openssl (in which case the libre team could have just provided the patches in the first place), or they won't, in which case in a decade libressl will be a cute project that's probably way more secure but nobody uses it
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17:37<coxn>I don't see anything wrong with your first case
17:38<coxn>that doesn't seem like much of a waste, is what I mean
17:38<dwfreed>the first case won't happen, because the libressl folks are too hard headed to do that
17:38<@akerl>dwfreed: Thankfully, they don't need to be polite, because openssl doesn't need to ask
17:38<@akerl>They can just take the code
17:39<dwfreed>akerl: yay licensing
17:39<dwfreed>that doesn't help though, because as I said, libressl is depending on OpenBSD specifics
17:39<@akerl>coxn: You don't see any problem with libre's team noticing the existing building has creaky doors and holes in the roof, and rather than fixing that building directly they build a new office next door so that they can transplant the roof to the first building?
17:40<@akerl>I'll eat my hat if any non-OpenBSD distro ever defaults to libressl over openssl
17:40<m0unds>won't ever happen
17:40<m0unds>i'd eat a closetful of hats
17:40<@akerl>m0unds: Which is good, because I was wearing a foil bag as my hat today
17:41<@akerl>Highly unappetizing
17:41<coxn>okay let me rephrase my initial statement: I'll be happy if the libressl push causes major upfit or a fork of openssl that makes linux distros of the future more sane
17:41<m0unds>yeah, intestinal shredding deliciousness
17:41<dwfreed>the problem is that openssl is actually about as sane as it gets for something that works on every platform
17:42<coxn>akerl: and no, I don't see a problem because compared to cloning a building, pulling from a software project is lightweight
17:42<coxn>dwfreed: !
17:42<@akerl>coxn: Given that thus far no patches have crossed back over, because the libre team is still hard at work ripping things out of their fork, that's clearly not the case
17:42<@akerl>they're killing time now making their cute hobbyist version look snazzy
17:44<coxn>maybe I'll put June 2016 on my calendar to check on libressl and whether anything has made it from that project back to any of the top five linux distros of that year.
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17:45*Nivex blows off the LUG meeting
17:45<@akerl>Nivex: Because we're entertaining, or because you're enjoying the battle with your own cert?
17:46<Nivex>because I'm in no mood to be social or drive in potentially adverse weather
17:46*Ikaros has eye to the sky as well right now
17:48<Nivex>for the certs, I think I'll just give up and use easy-rsa
17:48<coxn>June 15 of 2016 on my calendar now has a LibreSSL event
17:48<dwfreed>have fun with that
17:49<Nivex>but it's also not a time crunch now
17:49<coxn>prediction: that day will role around and I'll be all, "Why the heck did I make this event? Why do I care?"
17:49<@akerl>coxn: What's your standard of success? If it's "code derived from libre makes it into something in a mainstream linux distro", you could just as easily aim for this christmas. But since "the ecosystem borrows code from active projects" is a virtual certainty, that's also not a very useful metric
17:50<coxn>because I'm intentionally leaving akerl and dwfreed -- or any of this discussion -- out of the event
17:50<@akerl>If the standard of success is "one of the mainstream distros defaults to libre", you'd be better off aiming for 2024
17:50<coxn>akerl: what do you think success would look like?
17:50<m0unds>i think that's reasonable ^
17:50<m0unds>2024, i mean
17:52<@akerl>I think the successful route was ignored due to the nature of the team working on the project. The successful route would have been to work directly on OpenSSL, or at least fork with the MariaDB style goal of being immediately OpenSSL+better, not the hobbyist nonsense they're currently performing
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17:52<coxn>what does hobbyist mean in this context?
17:52<@akerl>The primary societal benefit we'll be deriving from the project are "the subset of their changes that make it back into mainline openssl", and all the metawork of running their own project makes that much less efficient
17:53<@akerl>coxn: A very cool and interesting project that will likely be very good at what it does and yet not used by the vast majority of the userbase
17:53<coxn>okay, so your version of success is a more-active openssl project, or... ?
17:54<coxn>I'm still not clear on what success looks like, and whether your version of success involves libressl at all
17:54<coxn>also ty re: hobbyist definition
17:54<@akerl>My preferred version of success is "the people currently working on libre stop wasting time on the meta surrounding libre and instead focus their efforts on patches for openssl"
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17:55<@akerl>They're smart people, but all the time they spend on the aspects of running the libre project that aren't 'improving the existing codebase in a way that openssl can pull'" are time sinks that won't provide long term benefit for the community
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17:56<coxn>got it
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17:59<coxn>maybe we'll see a huge shift to Debian GNU/kFreeBSD </joke>
17:59<dozn>akerl: Although I doubt OpenSSL would ever merge patches to remove specific arch support
17:59<@akerl>dozn: Those are the kind of patches that don't fit the above criteria
18:00<dozn>akerl: I just woke up, do you mind copy pasta-ing it? I can barely see lol
18:00<@akerl>dozn: The patches I'm interested in are those that improve the codebase in a way that could actually be taken upstream to openssl
18:01<dozn>Ah, gotcha
18:01<@akerl>removing support for architectures isn't even a "patch" in the useful sense: going at a codebase with a hatchet and a bottle of whiskey isn't really complicated, and doesn't improve the overall project
18:02<@akerl>It's useful in their case because it limits the scope of their planned next step
18:02<@akerl>But it would be like debian declaring that starting with jessie, only gnu/hurd would be supported
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18:03<Peng>akerl: You assume that running the Libre project is more work than working with upstream.
18:04<@akerl>Peng: Not really. All of my definitions on the "success" side of the fence involve patches being merged into upstream
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18:04<dozn>Holy crap, I didn't realize how long the backlog was for this convo >_<
18:05<@akerl>So the option that involves just writing patches and working with upstream is the "least work" on that side of the fence
18:05<@akerl>I accept that working with OpenSSL is a pain
18:05<@akerl>dozn: This is one of the many topics I rant about without warning :P
18:05<HoopyCat>i'd jump into it with "the problem with the openssl project is a lack of people, and that's why it's a pain to work with" but it's probably already been said
18:06<@akerl>HoopyCat: It actually hasn't, at least that I've seen. But that's only part of the problem
18:06<@akerl>Another chunk is "big projects with lots of history and inertia are a pain", plus "the kind of people who work on large nerdy projects tend to all be so kind and polite to each other"
18:07<dozn>Not to mention OpenSSL was openly accepting patches without thorough review for god knows how long, I would rather shoot myself than look at the current state of the code
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18:08<dozn>If spaghetti code is a thing, then this is probably a finished spaghetti dish
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18:09<coxn>so that actually brings me back to Nivex's comment about money, and an angle in which I totally agree with him that it's about money
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18:09<HoopyCat>akerl: the FTEs dedicated to openssl, at least before the recent perturbations, was somewhere around "keep the pilot light lit" on the project staffing scale
18:09<dozn>Of course
18:09<coxn>you can find any number of terrible, ugly, no-good projects that sit on top of oracle code
18:09<coxn>and you can get paid Big Bucks to hold your nose and work on them
18:09<Peng>"oracle code"?
18:09<dozn>If you actually _hire_ someone to work, they usually do more of it, especially on a project that no one is passionate enough to do by themselves
18:09<Peng>like Oracle the company?
18:10<coxn>good luck doing the same with openssl
18:10<Peng>dozn: Henson is passionate enough to do it by himself
18:10<Peng>if they weren't, nobody would work on OpenSSL
18:10<Peng>except for, like, Adam Langley adding features Chrome needs
18:11<Peng>Oh, right, I'm forgetting the FIPS contracts
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18:11<Peng>(no offense to agl)
18:11<Woet>im offended
18:12<coxn>Peng: more likely something written by some company that got swallowed by Oracle the company, but it doesn't really make a difference
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18:12<dozn>Peng: Here's the list of updates: 2012-May-10 -> 2013-Feb-11 -> 2014-Jan-03
18:12<dozn>I wouldn't exactly call it a healthy passion, especially considering how messy it all currently is
18:13<dozn>Seems like he was only updating it with security fixes
18:13<dozn>(which is usually just accepting patches)
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18:14<Peng>"list of updates"?
18:15<Peng>Oh, you're referring to new OpenSSL releases?
18:15<Peng>Look at the git log, or the changelog file. There are commits every day.
18:16<dozn>And one release per year?
18:16<synapt><coxn> good luck doing the same with openssl <-- OpenBSD already is with LibreSSL
18:17<synapt>Given it's still a while off before it becomes cross-platform but still
18:17<coxn>synapt: they're getting paid big bucks? What?
18:17<Peng>dozn: So?
18:17<HoopyCat>i suspect this discussion is going to loop indefinitely
18:17<@akerl>HoopyCat: Most do
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18:18<synapt>coxn: For LibreSSL? I feel the ones working on LibreSSL are likely not getting paid to work specifically on LibreSSL
18:18<coxn>synapt: also welcome to the convo... you may wish to read scrollback going back to ~17:30 eastern
18:18<Peng>I'm getting flashbacks to the Endless Eight
18:18<Peng>coxn: synapt: No, you don't wish to do that.
18:18<Peng>dozn: Who cares how often they release? It's a pretty busy project.
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18:19<coxn>okay fine let me put that another way; synapt you've misunderstood me and if you want to talk about this with me you should read scrollback from the last hour or so.
18:19<@akerl>Peng: Clearly they need Agile
18:19<Peng>Hey look, a new ARMv8 GHASH implementation.
18:20<synapt>That came off rather entertainingly elitist so I think I can find far better things to do than "talk with you", thanks though :P
18:20<Karrde>unf unf unf
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18:21<Peng>dozn: Also, the changelog suggests Henson tends to write or at least modify the security fixes
18:21<@akerl>synapt is about to fork the channel and open Libreconversation
18:21<synapt>lol HoopyCat stole it
18:22<HoopyCat>free as in free, not free as in bsd
18:23<coxn>synapt: I don't think it's elitist to ask that if you're going to engage with me by saying "hey look at <project>" you at least check to see if I was already talking about that project for the last hour straight in the channel
18:23<coxn>synapt: but I'm very happy for you to spend your time in any way you like. :)
18:23<Karrde>is there anyway to determine the SSH program a client is connecting with? ie find how many of my users connect with PuTTY
18:24<dwfreed>sshd can log the client version strings
18:24<dwfreed>PuTTY and KiTTY both mention that they are PuTTY/KiTTY
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18:31<HIghoS>Alright, I think I've waited long enough.
18:31<HIghoS>Thanks for all the uptime Linode! Time to migrate...
18:31<HIghoS> 18:30:49 up 1597 days, 17:38, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.33, 0.17
18:31<@akerl>You're not going to wait for 1600?
18:31<m0unds>^ +
18:31<HoopyCat>akerl you magnificent bastard
18:31<HIghoS>Forced migration in 1h30m.
18:31<HoopyCat>HIghoS: out of curiosity, which host are you on?
18:31<HIghoS>I'm too lazy to ask to push it back considering I'm probably the only one left on the host, lol.
18:31<m0unds>when a linode hits 1600 days' uptime, teh klaud ceases to exist
18:32<HIghoS>Honestly I should have rebooted about 4 years ago.
18:32<HIghoS>So it's all good!
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18:32<HoopyCat>t/opic #linode 18:32 < HIghoS> Honestly I should have rebooted about 4 years ago.
18:32<HIghoS>HoopyCat: Is there an easy way to tell what host?
18:33<HoopyCat>HIghoS: on the dashboard for the particular linode, it'll be on the right side
18:33<HIghoS>duh right there in the dashboard.
18:33<@akerl>netwark is the one near freemont, right?
18:33<HoopyCat>just outside of atalanta
18:33<dwfreed>I hear Mont is innocent
18:33<HIghoS>Anyways, I'm out. Hopefully I actually come back :P
18:34<@akerl>I always typo altanta
18:34<HIghoS>caker: +1 as always!
18:34<HoopyCat>HIghoS: good luck!
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18:34*akerl plays taps
18:34<HoopyCat>RIP in peace
18:34<dwfreed>bah, Linux needs auto-summarization of routes
18:35<HoopyCat>jesus god, two-digit newark hosts... those still had vacuum tubes for the finals on the 10base2 transceivers, right?
18:36<Peng>Oh, that was only like 2010-01-27.
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18:37<dwfreed>I was still in high school then
18:39<HoopyCat>i was in my second year of college then. dinner was leftovers.
18:40<HoopyCat>the paypal splash screen says "We'll give you a credit decision in 10 seconds." it's still sitting there after 120 seconds
18:40<HoopyCat>i should open a bug
18:40<Typo>ya know ive been spoiled when im annoyed a dns change hasnt kicked in and its been less than 30 min
18:41<Typo>lol hoopycat
18:41<Typo>damn you mikegrb!
18:41<dwfreed>Typo: that's why I run my own DNS server, and have low TTLs
18:41<dwfreed>even with caching, I see changes in 60 seconds
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18:42<Typo>well, i suppose i should turn down the ttl's, there really isnt any reason not to is there?
18:42<Typo>tho doing it to every rule existing on all the domains would be a pain in the ass
18:42<HoopyCat>Typo: performance, under some circumstances
18:42<dwfreed>if you have a lot of records, use the API :)
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18:42<HoopyCat>Typo: note that if you're using linode's dns manager, the API makes it relatively easy to do bulk changes
18:42<Typo>I am using the api
18:42<Typo>and cool
18:43<HoopyCat>the python practically writes itself
18:43<Typo>the boa however needs help
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18:43<dwfreed>At least you don't write it in Boo
18:43<dwfreed>(yes, that's a real language)
18:43<HoopyCat>my boa's got all the feathers it needs
18:44<HoopyCat>dwfreed: linode API bindings for logo
18:44<dwfreed>HoopyCat: API bindings for whitespace :D
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18:44<Peng>HoopyCat: PayPal doesn't say 10 seconds starting from *when*, right?
18:44<HoopyCat>Peng: i'm assuming from when they displayed such words on my screen
18:44<HoopyCat>there's a big "Apply Now" button but i didn't want to click it until i had my credit decision
18:45<@akerl>You know what they say about assuming
18:45<@akerl>"it makes for a great lawsuit"
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18:45<HoopyCat><--- the guy who poops in the conversion funnel
18:46<Typo>conversion funnel eh
18:46<Typo>well, when ya gotta poo...
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18:55<coxn>synapt: allow me to apologize. I reacted out of frustration that had very little to do with you earlier, and I could have and should have been more gracious. I still think that it would have been easy and reasonable for you to look to see if I had mentioned libressl, but that does not excuse my reaction to you. I'm sorry.
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18:58<dwfreed>coxn: 3 pages of scrollback (at least on my screen, which amounts to hitting page up 6 times) doesn't count as easy and reasonable :P
18:58<coxn>dwfreed: /last is your friend
18:58<dwfreed>right, but that removes context
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18:59<dwfreed>akerl: how's the weather?
18:59<@akerl>Not as pleasant as yesterday morning, but I'm managing
18:59<dwfreed>!wx KSJC
18:59<@akerl>random interesting tech:
18:59<linbot>dwfreed: [metar] OBS at KSJC: 69.8F/21C, visibility 10 miles, wind 12.66 mph, chill 70.25F (altimeter: 29.97) [KSJC 122153Z 31011KT 10SM FEW013 21/10 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP146 T02110100]
18:59<dwfreed>akerl: yeah, I saw raet a bit ago; looks p sweet
19:00<coxn>dwfreed: if the question is "has libressl been mentioned recently?" then /last removing context is irrelevant
19:00<dwfreed>akerl: apparently the guy writing it is crazy good with protocols
19:01<m0unds>i'd love some high-60s about now
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19:03<Peng>!wx ksfb
19:03<linbot>Peng: [metar] OBS at KSFB: 73.4F/23C, visibility 10 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 75.25F (altimeter: 29.95) [KSFB 122153Z 13007KT 10SM CLR 23/21 A2995 RMK AO2 SLP140 T02280206]
19:03<m0unds>!wx kaeg
19:03<linbot>m0unds: [metar] OBS at KAEG: 87.8F/31C, visibility 10 miles, wind 6.90 mph, chill 92.74F (altimeter: 30.08) [KAEG 122248Z 17006G15KT 10SM SCT100 31/M04 A3008]
19:04<dwfreed>87? that's not that bad
19:04<Peng>Salt likes "solving" problems by inventing crypto protocols, huh?
19:05<m0unds>dwfreed: it's not bad if you're indoors all day
19:05<dwfreed>Peng: the building blocks are standard crypto primitives (namely RSA and AES), put together in pretty standard ways
19:06<m0unds>couple it with high elevation (higher UV exposure) and blowing dust and it's a real great time
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19:06<dwfreed>Peng: arguably much better than something like MCollective, which provides a completely insecure configuration by default
19:06<@akerl>dwfreed: unless I'm reading this wrong, the building blocks are assuredly not aes and rsa, given that they're doing EC
19:08<dwfreed>akerl: in the case of raet, you're correct; however, unless things have changed very recently, raet is not yet in use by Salt, since it's still undergoing very active development
19:08<Peng>Putting standard crypto primitives together in standard ways is what everybody does and almost always gets wrong.
19:08<@akerl>Peng: Not really
19:09<@akerl>It's built on libsodium
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19:09<@akerl>which is pretty much as far from "rolling your own crypto" as it gets
19:09<Peng>Yeah... How easy is that to screw up?
19:09*HIghoS cheers for a succesful migration and +4y of upgrades.
19:09<@akerl>HIghoS: huzzah!
19:10<m0unds>HIghoS: condolences on your loss of uptime
19:10<@akerl>Peng: How else would a project do encryption better, besides using an established library?
19:10<HIghoS>m0unds: No worries.
19:10<HIghoS>Honestly it was far more linked to lazyness then anything else. I don't recommend it :P
19:11<m0unds>but still, SHE HAD A GOOD RUN
19:11<HIghoS>For sure.
19:11<m0unds>which distro?
19:11<Peng>sucks you had to migrate right before a milestone, though.
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19:11<HIghoS>Peng: I've had "a lot" of milestones though. This was just a good excuse to STFU and do it :)
19:12<HIghoS>I'd have felt bad if I was the only node running on the host and they were looking to retire it, lol. Be a big waste of electricity. I don't really use this host for a lot anyways.
19:12<HIghoS>I'm still far more proud of my 384 days of uptime back when I use to run LFS on real hardware, not in VMs.
19:13<HIghoS>God that was such a long time ago. I'm getting old :P
19:13<Peng>I think I had the last node on a host once. Performance was so consistent. :D
19:13*HIghoS grins at Peng.
19:13<HIghoS>It's actually weird to see that i've gone from 8x vCPUs down to 2x.
19:13<HIghoS>I'm not complaining. But it's interesting how the resource allocations have switched around.
19:15<coxn>it's nice to see that salt no longer tells people to pipe a curl of a shell script to a root shell
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19:24<dwfreed>coxn: if the script itself is written properly, there's nothing wrong with piping curl to a shell
19:25<@akerl>dwfreed: o.O
19:25<@akerl>The problem with piping curl to a shell isn't that the script might have typos :P
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19:27<dwfreed>akerl: by written properly, I'm referring to putting the actual logic in functions, so that a truncated file (for any reason) will throw a syntax error without executing code
19:27<@akerl>I'm also not worried about truncated files
19:28<dwfreed>what are you worried about, then?
19:28<@akerl>Less Than Honest Achmed having his web server conditionally serve out a script that looks almost like the actual install script, but has the added feature of tossing his pubkey in my auth_keys file
19:29<@akerl>Or sending my bitcoin wallet back to his server for "Secure Archival"
19:29<@akerl>Or replacing all my carefully collected cat gifs with zeros
19:29<m0unds>that last one would be a travesty
19:30<dwfreed>if somebody can MITM your SSL connection properly, and provide a valid cert for, you've got other problems
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19:30<@akerl>dwfreed: A) the problem is "piping curl into sh" in general. It's a bad practice and people should not recommend bad practice. and B) No, I really don't
19:30<@akerl>Salt has other problems in that case, but I do not
19:31<@akerl>Because if I were installing Salt it would be via a signed package on a server, not via their bootstrap script, so they'd need to compromise (the server OR my connection) + (the signing)
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20:07<linbot>New news from forum: do I have 9TB transfer quota for NLB if I bought 3 $20 VPS? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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20:09<trippeh>mmm fresh kernels from the bakery
20:10<dwfreed>those are day old kernels
20:11<James>dwfreed: i'm using GRUB2!!! on my linode now
20:11<James>with my awesome xz compressed kernel
20:12<trippeh>I bet you saved several kB on your linode! wait, nevermind, grub2 makes up for it ;)
20:13<trippeh>dwfreed: but I just built them :(
20:13<James>yeah, i should see how big my shim is
20:13<trippeh>3.15.1-rc1 and 3.14.8-rc1
20:13<James>trippeh: 2M
20:14<trippeh>James: plus the modules in /usr somewhere
20:14<trippeh>and stuff
20:14<James>although i think i installed the modules into the image
20:14<trippeh>you did, but the original files doesnt just dissapear
20:16<James>woo! grub2-mkimage --prefix '(xen/xvda)/boot/grub' -c /boot/ -O x86_64-xen /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-xen/*.mod > /boot/xen-shim
20:16<James>i should make a theme for it
20:16<trippeh>Glad I could give you something to play with :P
20:16<James>so it's all 'colourful'
20:17<James>had to find out how to configure it to work with my luks + lvm tho
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20:17<trippeh>too bad it didnt completely fix my kASLR woes though
20:18*trippeh needs to fire up the xen lab
20:18<James>i'm liking my xen 4.4.1 host
20:35<linbot>New news from forum: do I have 9TB transfer quota for NLB if I bought 3 $20 VPS? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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20:36<HoopyCat>Make Up To 3 TB Per Month Stuffing Linodes At Home
20:37<pronto>i run on-stop wget's of linux isos to /dev/null to make sure i use the bandwidth i pay for
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20:37<pronto>its my bandwidth and im going to use 100%!
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20:42<dwfreed>I wonder how fast nginx can serve /dev/zero over localhost
20:42<kyhwana>You Won't Believe All The TB's On This Linode!
20:43<HoopyCat>Linode Employees Hate This - Learn One Weird Trick To Hash Scrypt At 50 kH/s
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20:44<HoopyCat>This "Miracle Language" Takes The Pounds, Dollar Signs, Tildes, Percent Signs, Ampersands, And Sextiles Off Fast!
20:45*HoopyCat clicks and gets redirected to
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20:46<dozn>hello leehey
20:46<leehey>question on linode
20:46<James>HoopyCat: lol
20:46<leehey>can I get an ip if I subscribe its service?
20:47<James>you get an ip
20:47<leehey>for free?
20:47<@akerl>All Linodes have 1 IPv4 and 1 IPv6 address
20:47<James>if you get a linode
20:47<leehey>it is a vps hosting, right?
20:47<leehey>what's its default support package? php?
20:47<HoopyCat>leehey: linux kernel
20:47<leehey>Do you mean I need to setup from scratch?
20:48<@akerl>You get a server. Our distribution images are minimal server deploys. You install whatever you want on that
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20:48<@caker>You are root.
20:48<nici>like amy acker?
20:48<leehey>Are you guys volunteer or staff at linode?
20:48<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
20:49<leehey>bluehosting and linode, which one do you prefer?
20:49<HoopyCat>linode has, in general, paid akerl more than bluehosting
20:49<nici>but we are biased
20:49<kyhwana>wtf is bluehosting?
20:49<@akerl>HoopyCat: You don't know that for usre
20:49<@akerl>sure, even
20:49<@caker>what's blue but smells like redhosting?
20:50<leehey>what is paid akerl ?
20:50<m0unds>caker: a zebra in a fedora?
20:50<HoopyCat>kyhwana: i'm guessing
20:50<@akerl>leehey: What?
20:50<kyhwana>They have flash on their front page. Bluehosting is bad, use linode
20:50<m0unds>paid akerl is premium akerl
20:50<m0unds>free akerl is unhappy
20:50<nici>why is it in latin
20:50<kyhwana>Also, what's with the ipsum text?
20:51<m0unds>needs more lebowski-ipsum
20:51<@akerl>caker: If you take the bluehosting pill, the story ends, you wake up?
20:51<HoopyCat>ok, maybe that's not them
20:51<leehey>can anyone here help me with installing package in vps?
20:51<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:51<nici>bacon ipsum
20:51<@akerl>leehey: Probably, if you have specific questions after trying to set it up
20:51<kyhwana>leehey: "sudo apt-get install <package name>"
20:51<HoopyCat>leehey: ... that'll get you a good start at the very least
20:51<leehey>I think bluehosting service sometimes sucks
20:52<nici>linode has a lot of great docs
20:52<leehey>not user friendly
20:52<nici>well a vps isn't user friendly if you are not comfortable with linux
20:52<leehey>which os is deployed in linode?
20:52<leehey>I am comfortable with linux
20:52<@akerl>leehey: Whichever one you want
20:52<kyhwana>leehey: they only do web hosting? Linode only offers unmanaged VPSes. (with a managed service that's extra)
20:53<@akerl>We have images for Ubuntu/Debian/Centos/Fedore/Arch/Gentoo/OpenSUSE/Slackware, last I looked
20:53<nici>wow slack?
20:53<@akerl>I think?
20:53<nici>that taked me back
20:53<@akerl>I haven't tried to deploy it in a while
20:53<HoopyCat>nici: yep. it's required by mikegrb's contract
20:54<@wblew>What's Slackware?
20:54<nici>slack was my first linux distro
20:54<HoopyCat>leehey: well, they say they're the best web hosting.
20:55<leehey>what does downtime mean?
20:55<@akerl>it's the opposite of uptime
20:55<leehey>seems that linode does not support 24/7 support
20:55<nici>you get what you pay for
20:55<@akerl>We provide 24/7 support, not sure where you saw otherwise
20:56<dwfreed>if you call Linode at 3 AM christmas morning, you'll speak to a human being
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20:57<@akerl>dwfreed: Don't give them ideas
20:57<Nivex>I miss the old hold music.
20:57<leehey>I have a shared hosting in bluehosting now
20:57<nici>if i call on christmas will someone sing happy birthday?
20:58<HedgeMage>FWIW, I never had an urgent issue that I couldn't get solved promptly either through the ticketing system, or by annoying Linode employees on IRC.
20:58<leehey>I hope to upgrade to vps soon
20:58<@wblew>nici: Ask for will, I'd be glad to do so.
20:58<leehey>not sure whether I should get refund and purchase a vps in linode
20:58<HoopyCat>the terms of service for bluehost are rather restrictive, for what it's worth. nudity, profanity, and nonconsentual images of third parties aren't entirely unheard of in my public-facing data...
20:59<leehey>I am from China...I need to get an IP so that my website can be viewed in mainland.
21:00<@akerl>"good luck"
21:00<leehey>the great fire wall filter a lot of websites
21:00<@akerl>We don't control your government's policies or actions
21:00<synapt>not sure how you expect anyone outside of china to magically bypass the gov firewall
21:00<@akerl>(to be fair, neither does bluehost)
21:00<leehey>So do you mean i will get a free IP once I subscribe
21:00<HoopyCat>also, bluehost's web site isn't reachable from much of the internet
21:00<leehey>it works if I have an independent IP
21:00<leehey>it can be reached if you purchase an IP
21:01<synapt>well you don't really "Purchase" an IP, every linode comes with one static IPv4
21:01<HoopyCat>leehey: each linode comes with one IPv4 address and one IPv6 address, which won't change as long as that linode exists(*)
21:02<HoopyCat>(*) assuming, of course, there isn't a revolution or some other unrest that causes the entire IP addressing cabal to implode
21:02<@akerl>HoopyCat: If the hipsters have their way, I expect that one day we'll stop giving out v4 addresses
21:02<James>there is no cabal
21:03<James>is caker a hipster
21:03<HoopyCat>akerl: nod... i'd like it to be optional, at the very least.
21:03<James>HoopyCat: tickets!
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21:04<James>"hey, i don't like ipv4"
21:04<nici>ipv6 is for closers
21:04<@akerl>James: Not sure why you'd open a ticket saying "I don't like IPv4, glad you didn't give me one"
21:04<HoopyCat>James: in theory i could, but most of my long-lived linodes do indeed need IPv4 addresses for legacy support
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21:04<James>HoopyCat: ah
21:05<HoopyCat>James: mostly it's the short-lived ones that don't need IPv4
21:05<James>would make sense if they only lived behind a nodebalancer
21:05<leehey>can I redirect my domain name to new linode server?
21:06<leehey>I purchase a domain name in bluehosting
21:06<HoopyCat>leehey: the nameservers are ns{1,2,3,4,5}
21:06<HoopyCat>leehey: point away
21:06<@akerl>You can use DNS to point any of your domains wherever you want; we offer free DNS hosting as long as you have at least one Linode
21:06<@akerl>We are not a domain registrar
21:06<HoopyCat>leehey: (it'll be the "DNS Manager" tab in the linode manager)
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21:10<nici>i dont know why i looked that up
21:10<nici>but i did
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21:16<praetorian>me either
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21:22<HoopyCat>EXCLUSIVE: You'll Never Guess Where Today's Hottest Viral Web Property Is Hosted
21:22<HoopyCat>For more:
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21:28<@jchen>One Weird Thing HoopyCat Doesn't Want You To Know About His Sanity
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21:29<Nivex>here, channel some more rage:
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21:30-!-mode/#linode [+b *!] by akerl
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21:30<HoopyCat>that was impressive. i don't even have half of those buttons
21:31<dozn>HoopyCat: They're located underneath your keyboard
21:31<@akerl>He's using keyboardv6
21:31<@akerl>more bits
21:31<dozn>No wonder I can't read it
21:31<dozn>It's like UTF8 all over again
21:31<dozn>No wait a second...
21:32<dozn>That was a terrible comparison
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21:32<dozn>Forgot it had backwards compatibility >_.
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21:33<dozn>(and extended ASCII for bit length)
21:34*dozn slaps HoopyCat with a large sturgeon
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21:34<dozn>akerl: Am I going crazy, or does a "declarative system configuration model" seem pretty awesome?
21:35<dozn>I'm thinking JSON instead though
21:35<@akerl>dozn: It's great at a lot of levels; the OS level is not really one, IMO
21:36<dozn>Apparently it can detect which applications aren't installed but needed, and does it all for you as well
21:36<dozn>sort of puppet'ish
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21:36<@akerl>Yea, but putting Puppet on my existing system doesn't ensure I'll spend weeks of my life fighting with the lack of packages in my distro's repos
21:37<@akerl>Switching to a special-purpose OS does
21:37<dozn>Yar, it definitely has to be distro-specific
21:37<@akerl>"The string 5rnf... is a cryptographic hash of all input used to build the package."
21:38<dozn>I haven't read the rest yet
21:38<dozn>Just skimmed over it
21:39<dozn>I'd rather it just be the goddamn md5 of the compressed package lol...
21:39<@akerl>Or the name of the package and its version, so I can sanely find it if I want to
21:40<dozn>akerl: You mean you don't memorize your applications by their hash? I start Minecraft with k23ga<TAB>
21:40<dozn>I rename my binaries Kappa
21:41<dozn>Sometimes, just sometimes I wish IRC was more HipChat-like
21:41<dozn>But I know that it would piss people off who weren't using the specific client to display emoticons
21:41<sirpengi>sometimes I wish hipchat was more IRC-like
21:41<dozn>I just want a troll face
21:42<dozn>I don't care about anything else
21:42<dozn>Kappa isn't universal enough to be understood
21:42<HoopyCat>the last time a specific IRC client was required to display emoticons, that client also installed a new font called "Comic Sans"
21:43<dozn>Which brings me back to systemd-fontmanager... any good font managers out there?
21:43<dozn>Or is there a need for one to be created
21:43<m0unds>i only use comic sans, so no need
21:44<m0unds>i used to be a papyrus kind of guy, but comic sans just speaks to my lighthearded personality
21:44<dozn>Also completely out of left field, Tesla opened up their patents, and are aggressively grabbing as many as they can so they can do the same with them as well, before other companies lock down on patents
21:44<dozn>m0unds: diaf
21:44<dozn>lighthearded ^_^
21:44<@akerl>dozn: "opened up their packets" is a bit of an oversimplification
21:44<@akerl>They posted a bit of PRspeak
21:45<dozn>akerl: I didn't feel like getting into the nitty gritty, but they allow usage of their technology as long as you're not copying it exactly
21:45<@akerl>That's not what they said
21:45<dozn>Uh oh, what did I miss
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21:45<@akerl>They said they'll allow "in good faith" usage
21:46<dozn>It's public domain, no?
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21:46<dwfreed>"Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology."
21:46<dozn>So they need to clarify what good faith means then
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21:46<@akerl>dwfreed: Except no company worth caring about is stupid enough to touch that with a 10 foot pole
21:47<dwfreed>akerl: I was just quoting the text you were referring to
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21:47<dozn>They need to open it up more, or clarify first; I see their future plans is making bank off the batteries with their upcoming Mega-Factory
21:47<HoopyCat>so is there a license agreement that our attorneys can scowl at?
21:47<@akerl>HoopyCat: Nope
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21:48<HoopyCat>akerl: so there's one line in a blog post
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21:48<@akerl>dozn: Except they don't appear to have any intention of doing that
21:48<HoopyCat>akerl: our attorneys will LOVE it
21:48<dwfreed>HoopyCat: I bet if you ask, their lawyers will send you something
21:48<@akerl>dwfreed: Like a big piece of paper with "NO" on it in big inked letters?
21:48<dwfreed>akerl: hey, I didn't say what they'd send you
21:49<dozn>akerl: They don't have it one way or another, they haven't released anything yet to be fair, just the statement. I'm assuming paperwork is needed in order to move forward.
21:49<@akerl>It's a cute PR stunt, because end users will read that and shout with joy (as they're currently doing), but no other companies can really use the patents unless they want to roll the dice
21:49<dwfreed>akerl: you might end up getting a Woot Bag of Crap (TM)
21:50<@akerl>And it ensures that future patent grabs by Tesla won't get them slammed in the press, because everybody will be shouting "They're doing it for freedom and murica!"
21:50<Peng>Tesla likes their cute PR stunts.
21:50<@akerl>Peng: To be fair, they're really good at them
21:50<@akerl>And it's a good thing to be good at
21:51<HoopyCat>so for what it's worth, here's a similar kind of situation, which includes some actual legalese: +
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21:52*dozn is enjoying the Donkey Kong music
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21:53<dozn>akerl: How much do you want to be that China will have crazy electric cars within two years lol
21:53<HoopyCat>and also if you're really into that kinda thing
21:53<@akerl>dozn: You're betting they will?
21:54<dozn>They have the largest motive to make the switch
21:54<dozn>the roads...
21:54<m0unds>what's that? finding new and more exciting ways to make their population sick?
21:55<HoopyCat>dozn: you realize the following two things, right? 1) patents are inherently and intentionally public information, in that the government grants you the right to control the usage of it in exchange for it being public information, and 2) the number of fucks china gives wrt intellectual property laws is unmeasurable with current technology
21:55*m0unds looks at huawei
21:55<dozn>HoopyCat: Aware, but there's also a lot of things you don't see outside of China because of it
21:55<dozn>Fake Apple products, for instance
21:56<dwfreed>akerl: speechless?
21:56<dozn>Have you guys never heard of this, or been to China?
21:56<@akerl>dozn: Not sure what knockoff smartphones has to do with the chances of china developing a sudden deep concern for the environment
21:56<m0unds>little to no concern for the env if you use lithium batteries, fwiw
21:56<dozn>akerl: Their country is starting to get completely fucked
21:56<m0unds>also, since their power plants are dominantly coal fired
21:57<m0unds>plug-in vehicles = lol
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21:57<coxn>"This Agreement, together with any Schedules expressly made a part hereof, embodies the entire agreement and understanding between the parties hereto and supersedes all prior agreements and understandings, written or oral, relating to the subject matter hereof."
21:58<m0unds>can't wait for china to start building nuclear power plants
21:58<coxn>I'm not sure why anyone would scowl, lawyer or otherwise
21:58<HoopyCat>china has google patent search, they can search "tesla motors" and get all the information contained within the patents
21:58<coxn>language like that should bring you a gleeful grin, no?
21:58<Nightmare>oh, beat to it
21:58<@akerl>coxn: Hm?
21:58<coxn>akerl: HoopyCat's polycom link
21:59<coxn>also referencing HoopyCat's request for a document that lawyers could scowl at
21:59<@akerl>coxn: We're talking about lawyers scowling at Tesla's announcement
21:59<@akerl>Which didn't include legalese
21:59<coxn>yes, and I'm saying that lawyerese makes me grin rather than scowl
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22:00<dwfreed>coxn: You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
22:00<coxn>I understand that the requested document would be from Tesla and that the polycom link is not to be scowled at in the manner that I presume HoopyCat meant
22:01<coxn>dwfreed: quite possibly, but not for the reason(s) you imagine
22:01<dwfreed>you missed the reference
22:01<Nightmare>Toy Story?
22:01<dwfreed>^ ding ding ding
22:02<coxn>I don't have Woody's troubles, either
22:02<dozn>That's not what she said
22:03<coxn>but yes, I missed the reference before you pointed out that it was one
22:04<Peng>Doesn't China have like hte most nuclear plants in the world?
22:05<dozn>US does, no?
22:05<m0unds>something close to the most
22:05<m0unds>% of gen capacity, i think the US leads
22:05<dozn>China is 8th in terms of Capacity
22:05<m0unds>i'm referring to as a percentage of overall generated power
22:05<dozn>ah, I have no idea
22:05<m0unds>pretty sure the us is like 18-20%
22:06<m0unds>and china generates a ton of power, but most is via fossil fuels
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22:08<dozn>Good lord, Donkey Kong music is so epic
22:08*dozn feels a nostalgic rush
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22:08<Nightmare>there's some good remixes of DKC 1 and 2's music as well, fwiw
22:09<Nivex>far too much of my hard drive is full from
22:10<m0unds>i don't think i even know what that sounds like
22:10<dozn>I sometimes listen to the ocremix radio
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22:10<dozn>Or Kohina
22:11<dozn>m0unds: The remixes or the original?
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22:11<m0unds>any of it
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22:12<dozn>m0unds: I think the most popular track was
22:13<dozn>It was a SNES game for context
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22:19<m0unds>i didn't have an snes growing up, so i guess i missed out on those games
22:20<dozn>m0unds: Did you have any systems?
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22:20<m0unds>NES, then a sega saturn years later
22:21<dozn>Gen 1 NES with Mario Paint?
22:21<dozn>oh wow
22:21<dozn>Super Mario 1/2/3?
22:21<Nivex>My grandma was all set to buy me a NES. My Mom forbade it.
22:21<m0unds>yeah, had the first, rented the 2 and 3rd and played those
22:22<dozn>It's weird, renting games feels so old school now
22:22<m0unds>yeah, i haven't in years
22:22<dozn>Nivex: =(
22:23<dozn>Final Fantasy, Metroid, Zelda
22:24<dozn>I can't think of any other games with good music (besides Mario Bros.)
22:24<dozn>Kid Icarus
22:25<Nivex>Chrono Trigger
22:25<dozn>I really liked Big Blue from F-Zero for SNES
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22:27<dozn>SNES was really the first time I enjoyed the music, had much more depth
22:27<dozn>Genesis had some good ones too, like Skitchin'
22:29<dozn>Streets of Rage, Sonic
22:30<Nivex>kjotte@daedalus:/net/data/media/spc$ ls | wc -l
22:36<Nivex>!web title
22:36<linbot>Nivex: AMAZING mario level which plays itself and own music - YouTube
22:37<dozn>If I was younger, I'd love to fuck with the level editors
22:38<dozn>He has a number of fantastic ways to move mario around, I enjoyed the video
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23:44<linbot>New news from status: Linode Manager and API Maintenance: June 15th, 2014 <>
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23:46<James>Isn't it just a -little- suspicious the maintenance is the day before linodes birthday?
23:46<@jchen>James: maintenance performed, your brithdday present is the opportunity to purchase more linodes
23:47<array>they just spent 45MM on an infrastructure-wide upgrade, do you think they're really going to be giving out *more* free stuff?
23:47<m0unds>enemas for everyone
23:47<James>jchen: :D
23:47<James>array: it used to say $45M ,then caker added an M
23:48<James>for some reason
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23:48<James>is caker one of those hipsters who think spelling mistakes are cool
23:48<m0unds>James: are yuo?
23:49<James>array: in aus we just go $1M to mean $1,000,000
23:49<James>and $1K to mean $1,000
23:49<Nivex>that's always what I've taken it to mean
23:49<Peng>James: joking about spelling mistakes? are you trying to get killed?
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23:49<James>Nivex: yeah, i guess in different places it has different meaning
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23:59<James>would it make sense to make the linode logo on a link to the site root?
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