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#linode IRC Logs for 2014-06-13

---Logopened Fri Jun 13 00:00:59 2014
00:01<array>James: i'm in Australia. the use of a single M is certainly more common, but i have seen both used.
00:02*James lives in aus too
00:02<array>you mentioned that :)
00:02<James>i did too
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00:05<James>array: think it's worth it submitting a ticket to get stuff being pulled from the linode website changed on :P
00:05<James>if on the off chance the main site goes down...
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00:06<@akerl>Then you'll have to live without stylesheets for a bit?
00:07<James>that and the logos
00:07<James>hey, at least the social images will work!
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00:13<kyhwana> < hjuh, I thought ARIN was still handing out v4 IPs?
00:14<Ikaros>ARIN can also say 'no' whenever and for whatever reason they want.
00:16<Ikaros>Though there are a few unallocated bogons out there...
00:16<Peng>ARIN probably looks at an email from Microsoft Cloud anf laughs.
00:17<Ikaros>Hm. Methinks this IP is about to drop for a few minutes.
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00:17<James>why are we going backwards
00:17<James>containerisation isn't a new concept
00:17<Ikaros>Ok now where were we?
00:18<Peng>"Company uses IPs from another region" is the smallest news story of the month
00:18<Peng>I mean, come on.
00:18<James>hell, i had a tokyo linode ip show up from china
00:18<Peng>Now, "major company forgets to update geo dbs ahead of time" is a story, but not much of one
00:18<James>linode's tokyo ip space says it's in singapore :p
00:18<Ikaros>Here's a concept, stop stealing IP space from other RIRs
00:19<Ikaros>If you're denied IP space, you're denied. Live with it.
00:19<rnowak>and then you realise the rest of the world doesn't live in a bubble?
00:19<Ikaros>Jeez, like the shortage of IPv4 is any new thing around the world.
00:20<Ikaros>Greed is the way I see it.
00:20<@akerl>Ikaros: Exactly
00:20<@akerl>That's why when I didn't get the job I applied for, I went out into the wilderness and resigned myself to a hermit's life
00:20<Ikaros>Oh yeah, IPv4 space is almost gone, let's snatch up all the rest of it.
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00:21<Ikaros>Because we're a greedy corporation
00:21<@akerl>Ikaros: I'm trying to decide if you're trolling porrly or just not applying any brain cells
00:21<Ikaros>My brain cells are frazzled tonight :(
00:21<rnowak>porque no los dos, as jed would say
00:22<@akerl>There's no such thing as a non-greedy corporation. Corporations exist to make money. They aren't beholden to your naive view of saving the IPv4 space: they're going to do what they can in order to remain in business
00:22<Ikaros>I had a whole subnet of servers get backdoored from one flawed Wordpress installation on just one site on just one of those server.
00:23<Ikaros>I've spent this past week, getting very little in the way of rest, trying to root it out and get it the hell off just 3 of those servers.
00:24<Ikaros>All behind a private network interface because we had the public interface disconnected
00:24<James>so they used the server running wordpress to pivot into your network and PWN everything?
00:24<Ikaros>Still not done either. We're having to redo every bit of config with the httpd and PHP backend, permission, etc
00:25<Ikaros>James: Pretty much. Nasty piece of work, I'll tell you.
00:25<Ikaros>They dropped the backdoor on one site, and used it to drop copies all over every single site we hosted.
00:26<Ikaros>Fortunate I noticed the access logs otherwise I'd have no clue what I was looking for.
00:28<Ikaros>First had to disconnect the external interface rendering the backdoors all useless, then we implemented filtering because the attacking IPs were all from 3 distinct IP ranges - one Russia, one Ukraine, and one Morocco, who was the apparent initial dropper according to the access log. Then we used the downtime to do extensive reconfiguration and reworking of all configuration.
00:29<Ikaros>Then tightening permissions on all sites, and well, so far, our changes are doing well.
00:30<Ikaros>Just been really twiddling my thumbs here for the past few days, anxious to see if all that would help anything
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00:37<Peng>so, uh
00:37<Peng>upgraded your kernel since hte last local root?
00:37<Peng>you know, like, this week?
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00:53<James> now pulls browserponies from
00:56<dozn>I thought you weren't allowed to hotlink
00:56<Ttech>James: whats the video
00:57<James>dozn: apparently!
00:57<Peng>!dig aaaa
00:57<James>Ttech: it doesn't load?
00:57<linbot>Peng: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 30 IN CNAME | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 186 IN SOA 2014081375 3600 600 604800 3600
00:57<James>Peng: yeah, it's only going to be ipv4 :p
01:00<James>Wait what? gh pages have ssl now?
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01:12<danblack>James have done for a very long time.
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01:26*James wonders if the linode manager is getting reskinned on the 15th
01:26<dwfreed>in general, changing the way a website looks doesn't require downtime :P
01:27<Peng>maybe it's being rewritten in AJAX and PHP.
01:27*dwfreed stabs
01:27<James>dwfreed: did the api use coldfusion
01:28<James>i know the old front page did
01:28<Peng>Linode uses NDA
01:28<Peng>It's super effective!
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01:36<echoee>I am looking at a way of manage all my ssh private keys etc, and was wondering if there is a server protocol i can use to set things up and have verifications done there?
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01:37<echoee>the current problem i am facing is when i build a linode machine, i need to either pre-share the key, or have puppet install the key or have the stackscript install the key
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01:37<echoee>these methods expose the key (aside from pre-bake)
01:37<dwfreed>uh, you should only be doing the public half
01:37<dwfreed>which is, well, public
01:37<echoee>im sure there is a more secure way to authenticate
01:38<dwfreed>you don't need to give the server the private half, just the public half; once you can log in, you can SFTP up the private half if you really want to
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01:42<echoee>well, say if i want to setup a web cluster, and i use puppet to deploy them for example
01:42<echoee>i would need to have the same public key/private key in each server, so that they can talk to each other
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01:43<echoee>similarly, if i use bitbucket, i need the servers to have the private key sitting somewhere
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01:43<echoee>the current prolem for me is that whenever i am deploying in puppet, i need to copy the code over, which is OK, just that my puppet code sits inside a git repository, so technically, the private keys are readable
01:44<echoee>which is where I am a bit uncomfortable
01:44<dwfreed>you should never put creds in git, of any kind, ever
01:44<Eugene>Your Puppet Master(if it behaves anything like Salt and Chef, anyway) should be the piece in charge of distributing the needed private keys
01:44<dwfreed>you can use hiera for that
01:44<Eugene>(I have no idea about how Puppet works)
01:44<dwfreed>Eugene: hiera is like salt's pillar
01:45<Eugene>Sounds like the thing he wants, then.
01:45<Eugene>In any case, no, never put a private key into a Stackscript.
01:45<Eugene>Or into a git repo
01:45<echoee>hmmm, I guess I could try that
01:45<echoee>my stackscript builds my puppet server
01:46<Eugene>Your master machine should not be ephermeral :-p
01:46<echoee>which builds a standard distro, run apt-get update & upgrade, etc
01:46<Eugene>This isn't EC2
01:46<echoee>pull down the code for puppet master, and then doing a puppet agent -t
01:46<echoee>yeah, i guess i shouldnt be too ambitious
01:47<echoee>i wish bitbucket has a way to register your public key through the API
01:47<Eugene>That'd require them to not suck
01:47<Eugene>And, dear god, you do NOT want to know what their fileserving backend looks like
01:47<echoee>unfortunately, they are currently
01:48<echoee>yeah, hence I am a bit .... anal having sensitive info on their server
01:48<dwfreed>you can register public keys through Bitbucket's API
01:48<echoee>question is what kind of backup would you recommend for backing your puppet masters?
01:49<echoee>you sure?
01:49<Eugene>For the private key stuff? I have a TrueCrypt volume on a flash drive in my desk drawer
01:49<echoee>say on a linode
01:50<echoee>is there any services i can use?
01:50<Eugene>Well, there's the Linode Backups service
01:50<Eugene>But that still violates the principle of "If your data is in only one location, you didn't really want it"
01:52<echoee>i guess i will just have a local encrypted drive and put things there
01:52<echoee>or, encrypt it and put it on say dropbox/s3 or something
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01:54<James>that works
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02:18<Meyer^>echoee: I like Duplicity for backups. Supports putting the archives on S3.
02:20<echoee>thanks Meyer^, it looks good
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02:30<md_5>tarsnap wraps it up into one nice, cheap package
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02:40<kuzetsa>md_5: just cuirous, but you wouldn't happen to be the same md_5 as the spigot / MCPC+ (cauldron) one, would you?
02:41<md_5>I code spigot, I just host mcpc+
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02:43<kuzetsa>I guess lots of cool people do cool things and also hang out in #linode because it's apparently the cool thing to do O_O
02:46<dozn>The channel is cool because of us
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02:46<echoee>the channel is cool! period.
02:47<James>...i -hate- sites that only spit out the qr-code and not the key for two factor
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02:50<kuzetsa>James: me too, since on my mobile device it acts rather buggy and I've never successfully got the key loaded via qr a single time even using google's authenticator app and everything
02:51<James>need to find a program to read it off my screen
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02:55<Eugene>That took me <5 seconds. Step up your game.
02:56<Eugene>Note: actually using this for 2FA codes would be silly. Sending crypto data to a webservice = lol
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02:57<MaliutaLap>Eugene: really? it's not your method of choice for key sharing? </ob_sarcasm>
02:58<kuzetsa>eh, at least zxing is open source and can be built and used locally
02:58<kuzetsa>or you could be even sillier and drop the qr code into google image search
02:58<kuzetsa>either way is fine :D
02:58<MaliutaLap>kuzetsa: with all the easter eggs i put in it to mail me your keys ;)
02:58<kuzetsa>MaliutaLap: easter eggs... in zxing or google image search O_O
02:59<MaliutaLap>kuzetsa: I do know a few people that could drop stuff into google search :P
02:59<MaliutaLap>I'll try to stop being a bastard now
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03:00<kuzetsa>yeah uhm... "built and used locally" typically implies offline to the paranoid, security freak types
03:00<kuzetsa>either ways is fine
03:00<MaliutaLap>give that I've had 4 hours sleep since wednesday, and it's now 17:00 friday chances are I'll either not be trying very hard, or will fail at trying
03:00<kuzetsa>just use google image search, they're probably not going to steal your code
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03:01<MaliutaLap>kuzetsa: if your running it on a machine that offline, stored in a vault, inside a faraday cage ... then it's secure :P
03:01<kuzetsa>I don't own hardly anything "actually secure"
03:01<MaliutaLap>otherwise I'm using frequency fluctuations in your CPU to transmit it wirelessly :P
03:02<MaliutaLap><gasp>see I fail at not being a bastard :P
03:02<kuzetsa>I thought it was just a bit more charming than bastard-like
03:02<kuzetsa>carry on
03:02<kuzetsa>... or don't
03:02<MaliutaLap>are you saying I wasn't being charming before?
03:02<kuzetsa>or do something else like ... I don't actually care, going AFK
03:02*MaliutaLap is hurt
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03:20<James>699GB Used, 2316GB Remaining, 3015GB Quota will it go over 2TB?
03:24<Peng>needs moar tor
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03:28<linbot>New news from forum: Private networking on Linode in Linux Networking <>
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03:30<linbot>retro|blah: Point (0.50657454, 0.17085439) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435773 of 554579 (π ≈ 3.143090524524008 - 0.001497870934215). http://π
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03:32<James>Peng: blasphemy!
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03:34<dozn>gg: What the poop
03:34<James>gg: linode charges hourly, but only bills you once a month
03:34<Zimsky>considering he's speaking in chinese, I don't think he's going to read english
03:34<dozn>Google Translate ftw
03:38<gg>if i pow off the machine,linode continue charge it next hour ?
03:39<Eugene>Feature Request: bulk editing of Slave zone Masters :-/
03:39<James>Eugene: SAME
03:40<James>Eugene: wait, use the api
03:40<Zimsky>using the api is also kinda fun
03:40<James>Eugene: i'm probs going to make a linode-cli script to do it
03:41<MaliutaLap>so ... do I make these network ports (wall to patch panel) A->A, or B->B?
03:41<gg>ok,thanks all
03:41<Eugene>There's no reason to make crossovers anymore. Switches have been able to sort it out since the late 90s.
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03:44<Peng>Whenever someone Chinese pops in here, I want to stop talking, because they might see my nick, expect me to speak Chinese, and be disappointed. :-\
03:45<Zimsky>Peng: 五月的风光鞭炮你的屁股
03:48<dozn>Peng: You mean you aren't Chinese?
03:48*dozn hides all of his Chinese jokes
03:49<echoee>why would they think you're chinese, peng is such an european name
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04:01<MaliutaLap>Eugene: crossover would be A->B
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04:10<maybe_customer>So is Linode still a "VPS" provider? What's this cloud rebranding nonsense?
04:11<Peng>welcome to the future
04:11<Peng>the forecast is cloudy
04:11<maybe_customer>But...the cloud is just the internet.
04:14<echoee>I believe i may save quite a bit of money with their cloudy plans
04:14<echoee>since i hardly use my linode
04:17<kuzetsa>you won't
04:17<kuzetsa>not unless you periodically delete your linode completely
04:17<Peng>well, maybe it's a 16384 :P
04:17<kuzetsa>even shutting down / not running / offline state you still get charged so long as it's provisioned
04:18<kuzetsa>usage is a boolean
04:18<kuzetsa>you true/false: is something provisioned at this time? if so, you're billed for it :)
04:18<kuzetsa>not sure why I stared that line with "you"
04:18<kuzetsa>or spelled "started" wrong :(
04:19<kuzetsa>or did they change that during the cloud rebrand?
04:19<kuzetsa>is usage now considered "not in use" when it's offline or low traffic or whatever?
04:20<Peng>no, it's the same
04:20<kuzetsa>I wonder what echoee meant by "saving money... since I hardly use my linode"
04:20<Peng>I don't know.
04:20<echoee>was thinking it charges per hour kinda thing
04:20<echoee>maybe i got the wrong concept
04:20<kuzetsa>it does
04:21<kuzetsa>but only if you delete your linode completely when it's not in use
04:21<RumpledElf>isn't the entire point of cloud that you get billed fro what you use?
04:21<kuzetsa>RumpledElf: not everyone defines "usage" the same way, apparently
04:21<Peng>and "use" means "exists"
04:21<kuzetsa>^ that
04:22<RumpledElf>so its a fixed charge per month, not sliding based on utilisation?
04:22<Peng>what kind of "utilization"?
04:22<Peng>if you delete the VPs, you won't pay for it.
04:22<Peng>If you delete it for one hour, you'll save one hour's fee
04:22<Peng>(rounded to the nearest hours)
04:22<RumpledElf>the usual ... cpu, bandwidth, disk, as per other providers
04:23<kuzetsa>no, using less of those things is no cheaper unless you downgrade to a lower tier
04:23<Peng>you don't pay for CPU
04:23<kuzetsa>yeah you do
04:23<RumpledElf>boo, I thought linode was getting new cloud plans
04:23<RumpledElf>clearly wrong
04:23<kuzetsa>if you can get by on fewer cores (vCPUs) than 20, a lower plan will save you money
04:24<kuzetsa>so in that sense you pay for CPU, but not by cycles or load
04:24<RumpledElf>I think I can probably get rid of my excess linode now though, yay
04:28<echoee>if use === exists, then me = !save_money
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04:42<fl0w>So how about that silence I just broke ...
04:42<Peng>you break it you buy it
04:45<fl0w>so, we both owe the seller then
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05:16<James>Eugene: most places don't even recognise B as a standard anymore :P
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05:20<colourbleu33>Question: Ive moved a server upgraded, now in htop I see only 1]2]mem]swap] instead of before 1]2]3]4]mem]swap]
05:20<James>that is correct
05:21<James>you're on faster cpu's so shouldn't see too much of a difference anyway
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05:23<colourbleu33>does that mean that it will struggle when multi taskingm multi threading
05:24<Peng>it depends
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05:26<colourbleu33>ok, wel the good news is its an easy upgreade if i notice issues
05:26<colourbleu33>thanks guys
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05:35<linbot>New news from forum: nginx + uwsgi + django problem in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
05:36<James>colourbleu33: ya, if you need it, a 4G may be more appropriate anyway
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06:14<cmarco>Hi everyone...
06:14<AlexC_>Oh hai
06:15<James>Don't mind AlexC_, he's a bot
06:15<cmarco>Here in Italy seems like we're having some trobule with DNS resolution
06:16<cmarco>Are sameone else having such problem too?
06:16<AlexC_>cmarco: What kind of trouble?
06:17<cmarco>First of all, DNS server not responding
06:17<AlexC_>cmarco: Linode DNS? i.e.
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06:18<cmarco>yust a sec... I'm trying to reproduce the error...
06:18<AlexC_>James: Your face is a bot
06:19<James>Damnit, why couldn't your developer code you to be polite.
06:19<cmarco>this is the query I'm doing on a linode host:
06:19<cmarco>[root@monitor ~]# dig ; <<>> DiG 9.8.2rc1-RedHat-9.8.2-0.23.rc1.el6_5.1 <<>> ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 40817 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ; IN A ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: ;; WHEN: Fri Jun 13 12:19:04 2014 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd:
06:20<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
06:20<cmarco>awful text formatting!!! sorry
06:20<James>bit easier to read on a pastebin
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06:20<cmarco>newbee mistake!!! my bad
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06:22<AlexC_>cmarco: The authorative nameservers, and can not be reached from my Linode
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06:23<AlexC_>cmarco: Those are the namesevers your domain is configured for. Doing a `dig a` results in "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
06:23<AlexC_>So the problem is on those nameservers, nothing to do with Linode
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06:25<cmarco>AlexC_: tnks.
06:25<AlexC_>cmarco: Sorry?
06:26<cmarco>Just thanking for your help
06:27<cmarco>I'm not very fond with DNS
06:27<AlexC_>Ah, you mean "thanks" ;)
06:27<cmarco>my IRC speek is a little bit rusty :)
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07:39<Nivex>"Negative, Ghost Rider. The Internet is Full."
07:39<Nivex>(cue movvak in 3..2..)
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07:43<Vijay>how do i test linodes without preloading any amount?
07:43<@akerl>? what do you mean?
07:44<Vijay>i have signed up for the first time.. i really like the linode 2048 plan. but i want to test before paying
07:44<@akerl>That is not an option
07:45<Vijay>ok then
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07:46<sandeep>you get your money back if you don't like it and decide to leave within 7 days
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08:02<James>akerl: even if linode did do no-charge auth, it makes sense to force a preload, yes?
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08:02<James>i know that's what linode and DO do
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08:03<James>what's the minimum preload amount
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08:05<settings>greetings, how should i proceed to migrate from a web hosting to a linode and avoiding the lost of all emails in the meanwhile?
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08:05<James>settings: you can import over imap/pop
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08:07<@qmr>Stop your email service on old host, migrate your email, update your mx records
08:07<settings>not that, i mean while in the ttl
08:07<@qmr>Just stop the old mail server.
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08:08<settings>thats the problem, i can't afford being unable to receive new emails
08:09<@qmr>Then it sounds like your current setup is poorly designed.
08:09<Woet>settings: lower the TTL to 60 seconds then
08:09<Woet>also, you won't lose any emails
08:09<Woet>they'll just be delayed
08:09<@qmr>Correct. See RFC.. whatever
08:09<Woet>the sender will keep retrying every so often until it's delivered
08:09<@qmr>2821. I think.
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08:09<settings>thanks Woet
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08:10<settings>60secs is enough?
08:10<Woet>that's what I use when I make a DNS change
08:10<Woet>just be sure to wait the actual period of your previous TTL
08:10<Woet>so the new TTL is propagated.
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08:12<@qmr>DNS does not propagate, caches expire
08:12<settings>i suppose i need to setup some imap/pop/smtp server before doing that
08:12<@akerl>qmr: Which ends up looking the same
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08:12<@akerl>It's not a push system, but changes slowly propagate from "being in only a small portion of the network" to "being in all of the network"
08:13<hawk>Well, even if you angle it that way, "being in all of the network" is not the end result.
08:13<linbot>New news from status: Latency <>
08:14<Nivex>that report does not indicate which DC
08:14<muka>obviously freemnt
08:14<AlexC_>It would never be London, we're tool cool for latency
08:15<muka>fremont* even
08:15<muka>getting sick of the fremont dc, maybe i should pick an other one <.<
08:15<AlexC_>s/tool/too/ ><
08:15<@mikegrb>mmm cake
08:15<AlexC_>muka: Come to London, we have tea and cake!
08:15<AlexC_>and cumpets
08:15<AlexC_>cumpets? Sigh. I should just give up now
08:16<muka>london would be closer to me, but fremont is closer to most of my users :P
08:16*hawk agrees with qmr, referring to it as "propagation" just fuels the misunderstandings.
08:16<AlexC_>Forget the users, we have castles!
08:16<madgoya>hi guys, do you know of any good writeup on setting a load balanced failover system for typical WS system? The WS in question are stateless
08:17<@qmr>hawk: yea
08:17<@qmr>madgoya: what is "WS system"?
08:17<AlexC_>muka: Ha, looks like it is Fremont as well
08:17<madgoya>qmr: Web Service
08:17<AlexC_>madgoya: Have you looked into to Linode Nodebalancers?
08:17<muka>it's always fremont lol
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08:19<madgoya>AlexC_: I have but even though I asked this in #linode ('cos of the guys that hang around here), the services are not hosted on linode :)
08:19<linbot>New news from status: Latency - Fremont <>
08:19<AlexC_>madgoya: sacrilege!
08:21<muka>cut the fiber cable, they said. it will be fun, they said.
08:21<madgoya>AlexC_: I know :)
08:21<madgoya>but could not resist as I am at a loss on my side
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08:22<madgoya>it seems like a typical load balancer deployment but I need to handle failover of the loadbalancer itself etc.
08:23<madgoya>so a wackamole system
08:24<@akerl>Sounds like you should be using Linode
08:25<@qmr>madgoya: NodeBalancers are highly available
08:25<madgoya>akerl: I wish I could convince the corporate customer. They have internal ESX deployemnt that they have sunck money i
08:25<madgoya>qmr: not by magic. It needs to be set up that way right? :)
08:26<James>madgoya: the nb's themselves are redundant, you just need to handle the backend stuff
08:26<@qmr>madgoya: NodeBalancers are highly available
08:27<madgoya>qmr: I assume you are talking about Linode NBs
08:27<madgoya>I wish I could use Linode NBs, but I can't
08:27<madgoya>since customer deployment is purely internal cloud env.
08:28<@qmr>oh. that sucks. then I would suggest something for heartbeat + IP failover
08:28<madgoya>hence my question about creating a highly available NB on my own, using say Apache HTTP server or varnish etc.
08:28<madgoya>backend nodes are Tomcat servers
08:30<AlexC_>madgoya: There is also LVS, used this a few years ago and it worked very well and easy to configure
08:31<AlexC_>Think it's dead now though, looking at it =\
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08:44<madgoya>AlexC_: LVS=?
08:46<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: MariaDB <> || MariaDB Setup on Debian 7 <> || Installing and Configuring ownCloud on Debian 7.4 <> || Configure Postfix to Send Mail Using an External SMTP Server <> || I
08:46<linbot>New news from status: Packet loss in Fremont for some paths <>
08:46<AlexC_>But, looks to be old and abandoned now
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08:50<James>AlexC_ looked at it wrong
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08:51*AlexC_ gives James a pony
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09:15<James>is what caused the major dropouts yesterday?
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09:15<James>i'm guessing they've routed around it
09:16<@akerl>Since it didn't happen til this morning...
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09:16<AlexC_>Packets were lost in space and time, maybe
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09:23<adamM_>I recently did an update/upgrade of ubunutu, and the update/upgrade seemed to enable processes (sendMail and apache2) which I had previously disabled at boot, now they start at boot.... is this normal?
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09:25<AlexC_>adamM_: Disable them again
09:27<adamM_>AlexC_ : I did, but sendMail went crazy, there must have been tons of emails in the queue (I think mostly cron emails to myself), once sendMail kicked on it sent 1000s of emails, and crashed my system.... I am wondering what happened, was it siply the upgrdae/update kickin on sendmail, or is there something worse going on
09:27<adamM_>as I do not use sendmail for anything.... it scared me when I saw many many sendmail processes working away
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09:29<adamM_>have you ever heard of something like that happeneing??
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09:52<@qmr>Have I ever heard of Ubuntu doing stupid things? Yes.
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09:53<@qmr>at any rate I would stay away from sendmail and use a modern MTA
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10:05<James>woo set up wordpress again for lulz
10:09<Karrde>now I want Mexican for lunch
10:11<buhman>James: ;p
10:12<James>even set up nginx fastcgi caching!
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10:13<James>buhman: go to my rdns
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10:15<buhman>hah, you realize that was discussed on the grub ML long before it was regurigated on that blog and subseqently yours.
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10:15<buhman>and also regurgitated.
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10:39<easla>I am looking for a VPS to store Ruby on Rails application
10:39<easla>But, maybe could use anothe techonlogies like PHP
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10:41<AlexC_>eagle: You've come to the right place, freshly baked Linodes are avaiable right now, just for you
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10:43<Karrde>what a useful conversation
10:43<AlexC_>Oh, well spotted. Similar username tab complete fail
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10:55<AlexC_>Table flip!
10:55<James>jchen flip!
10:55<AlexC_>Flip all the things!
10:56<James>Flip all the jchens!
10:56<KamiNuvini>Quick question.. Are the Debian (security) releases mentioned here the backport repos? Or some other repo?
10:56<AlexC_>KamiNuvini: They'll be in the security repo
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10:57<nici>are we playing flip cup
10:58*AlexC_ cups nicis flip
10:58<AlexC_>am I doing it right?
10:58<KamiNuvini>Is it a non-default repo AlexC_ ? Not in my sources.list for some reason
10:58<KamiNuvini>Or is it this one? deb wheezy/updates main
10:58<AlexC_>KamiNuvini: Yes, that one. But they'll also make there way into the normal repo
10:59<AlexC_>KamiNuvini: Doing `apt-cache policy openssl` will show you what versions are in what repos
11:00<AlexC_>As it stands, just like that link shows, the fixed version is in the security repo
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11:04<KamiNuvini>Ah right I see the issue, did have the fixed version installed, apt just didn't restart services
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11:12<muka>is it possible to transfer to an other datacenter or would i need to buy a new linode and cancel my current one?
11:12<@caker>we can do it for you - open a ticket
11:13<nici>it's a pretty easy transition
11:13<muka>ah that's nice, still debating. currently on fremont but might want to change to a different dc
11:13<nici>depending how much data you have, obv.
11:13<AlexC_>nici: Data wont make the transition any hader
11:13<nici>not harder
11:13<nici>just take longer
11:14<nici>moar downtime
11:14<muka>theres still no ETA for the fremont issue, right?
11:14<nici>that's what it says on
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12:20<mondoweb>Hi staff, i can't access to Linode Manager
12:20<mondoweb>Please help me :)
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12:24<mondoweb>I send you an email, thanks anyway.
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12:24<@qmr>elaborate on "can't access"?
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12:29<synapt>Since I know we got (silly) bitcoin people in here, any of you gonna register for the marshals auction of the silkroad bitcoins (worth 17 million USD)? :P
12:30*qmr wonders why silly is implied or inferred
12:31<synapt>Psh cause it's bitcoin, tis all silly
12:32<@qmr>"Participation in the auction will not be cheap, with buyers required to make a refundable deposit of $200,000 to a government bank to take part."
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12:33<synapt>it's 17 million dollars worth of bitcoins, of course they aren't gonna be letting every bum off the block jump in I imagine
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12:33<@qmr>wonder how that will affect trading prices
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12:34<synapt>Probably not in a positive way
12:35<synapt>most likely scenario, causes a price drop and whatever a person paid for them probably ends up an over pay (until the price, if ever, comes back up to market price at time)
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12:38<@qmr>going to short it?
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12:52<Cromulent>from what I have heard the price has already tanked on the news of the auction
12:52<@qmr>it's down a bit, idk if I would say tanked
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13:13<TecnoBrat>doesn't that legitimize the industry?
13:14<TecnoBrat>errr .. currency
13:15<dwfreed>not really
13:15<dwfreed>they're treating it like property
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13:16<@wblew>I'm also selling 1million thing coins.
13:17<TecnoBrat>I guess that becomes a different question of property vs currency, I'm not a expert on that, so I'm not going to say I understand it ... I know you can "trade" property, but at what poing does that become a currency, and then what rules are applied?
13:17<TecnoBrat>I guess i need to learn a thing or two about economics
13:17<rnowak>eh, it has more to do with what the government considers a real currency and not
13:18<TecnoBrat>Which I dont understand where that line is.
13:18<rnowak>"we decided so" is probably not far from the truth
13:18<@akerl>it's where society puts it, more or less
13:18<TecnoBrat>I may need to do some reading now, cause that concept is interesting to me
13:19<TecnoBrat>Now more related to linode, I wonder how much of linode's hardware is being used to mine bitcoins :P
13:20<kafka>that would seem silly to me. the vps wouldnt really be setup to compete with someone who has 2 or 3 GPUs in their room
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13:20<kafka>correct me if i am wrong
13:20<rnowak>I really hate this development
13:20<rnowak>"something something, correct me if I am wrong"
13:21<@akerl>Almost as bad as IMO
13:21<@akerl>"it's just my opinion, but <words>"
13:21<@wblew>I really think things and stuff
13:21<TecnoBrat>IMO, IMO isn't so bad, depending on the use.
13:21<TecnoBrat>(yes, I did it, yup)
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13:27<avenj>I just end every sentence with "so there."
13:27<avenj>to express confidence
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13:31<dwfreed>kafka: the people actually trying to make money off bitcoins know that Linodes aren't cost effective; the people just playing with the currency set it up on their Linodes because they think it'll be fast (at this point it's not); most of the other bitcoin miners running on Linodes are because the people that put them there aren't paying for the resources (compromised the Linode via some exploit, usually a website, and then added them to their
13:31<dwfreed>bitcoin mining botnet)
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13:33<kafka>that was kind of what i was saying- that at this point a linode isnt built to compete with anything out there built by someone taking mining seriously.
13:34<dwfreed>there are still plenty of miners running on Linodes, though mostly for the last reason I mentioned
13:34<kafka>i suppose if youd got a massive botnet all working through a portion of your hashes then its worth it
13:34<kafka>"wroth it" loosely used here
13:34<dwfreed>well your cost is $0, since you're not paying for the resources
13:35<kafka>well, worth your time
13:35<kafka>because if you try to crack a hash on a linode that youve freely gained access to, you can be pretty sure someone cracked it with dedicated hardware that they paid for first
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14:31<linbot>New news from forum: Spike in CPU and outgoing data in Performance and Tuning <>
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14:50<Cyber_Tao_Flow>Greets! I have a client who has linode hosting and is undergoing a vulnerability assesment of their site(s). However the apparently well implemented linode IPS is dropping traffic from the scanner after a few cgi-tortures
14:50<Cyber_Tao_Flow>who do they need to contact to get this excluded
14:50*Cyber_Tao_Flow wonders if this thing is on
14:50<@akerl>We don't do that
14:50<@caker>Cyber_Tao_Flow: we don't do any filtering like that
14:51<Cyber_Tao_Flow>really? sure? as if I route the scanners traffic so that my source IP is different then I can hit the destination
14:51<@akerl>Is the Linode itself dropping the traffic?
14:51<@caker>Cyber_Tao_Flow: yes, very sure :)
14:52<Cyber_Tao_Flow>yeah the last hop is the only one missing ....
14:52<@akerl>That indicates the Linode itself has a firewall or other measures internal to it
14:52<Cyber_Tao_Flow>I thought perhaps I dos'd it but both sites were still up
14:53<Cyber_Tao_Flow>Ok well thanks I will have to try slower and lower...... no WAF on linodes?
14:53<buhman>Cyber_Tao_Flow: no
14:53<buhman>not unless one is running on the linode.
14:56<@qmr>Why would we filter your traffic?
14:56<@qmr>Sounds dodgy.
14:58<Cyber_Tao_Flow>it is attack traffic
14:59<Cyber_Tao_Flow>Its not unheard of for shared hosting providers or managed hosting providers to have network security monitoring ;-(
14:59<Cyber_Tao_Flow>anyhow thx much and zerone
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15:27<Eugene>250 OK
15:30*Ikaros is too tired to talk SMTP and errors out
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15:40<Sp>hi all
15:41<Sp>Is it allowed on LiNode to use VPS as a VPN proxy server?
15:41<dwfreed>of course
15:41<dwfreed>keep in mind that you must comply with US law, and that you're responsible for all traffic leaving your Linode
15:42<Sp>I am just interested in watching NetFlix :)
15:42<Sp>I guess it is legal
15:42<@akerl>So why don't you just use Netflix without the proxy?
15:42<Sp>because I am in Canada
15:42<Sp>we have different content
15:43<Sp>right now I have to use StrongVPN
15:43<Sp>and was thinking I can combine two applications of a server for a smaller charge
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15:46<SW_>Hi, is there a Linode staff around? :)
15:47<@akerl>This is the user community
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16:01<DragonFire2014>Hello. Are there problems with Fremont at the moment? My VPS seems to be down (although the it shows up on the Dashboard) and I can't get a Lish console to it either. Times out.
16:02<@akerl> ?
16:03<DragonFire2014>Aha. That's the link I was after. Thanks. :)
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16:03<dwfreed>akerl: they still haven't fixed it yet? time to bust out the whip
16:04<DragonFire2014>How long has it been down for? I only noticed it about 10 mins ago.
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16:04<dwfreed>the original incident is from 8 hours ago
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16:04<dwfreed>it could be that they're in the process of fixing it, and routers are flapping as a result
16:04<dwfreed>may want to have a look at MTR
16:05<DragonFire2014>Ok. Well, it's not critical to me at the moment. So I'm happy to wait around for the moment.
16:05<DragonFire2014>Thanks dwfreed, akerl.
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16:39<Nivex>fiber cuts don't get fixed quickly
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17:02<tst_>linode, it support resizing of an instance in real time?
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17:04<@caker>tst_: you mean, without any downtime? No. We copy the bits to a different machine when you resize plans
17:04<Nivex>resizing of nodes or disks therein requires the node to be powered off
17:05<@caker>You can do other things: like create a new Linode and then swap IPs to it (which is real time)
17:05<tst_>i think it works like this?
17:05<tst_>so if it migrate does it save all the data, even if it takes time?
17:06<tst_>resize* i mean
17:07<tst_>that swap ip thing sound kind of cool, is it possible to clone a linode, have 2 simultaneous plans for a few hrs or so, then swap ip? if so, whats a good tutorial?
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17:07<tst_>and by cloning, all data etc is kept right?
17:07<@caker>tst_: resizing and cloning keep data. It's a bit-for-bit copy of your disk images
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17:08<tst_>thx i think thats the info i need for now
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17:10<tst_>1 vcpu = approx equiv to what sort of processor?
17:11<EyePulp>tst_: are you familiar with a palm pilot from circa 1997?
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17:12<@caker>The processors are Intel E5-2680.v2 - all info is here:
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17:53<muka>anyone knows if that fremont issue will ever be resolved?
17:53<@akerl>I doubt it
17:53<@akerl>We're pretty much writing off all of the undersea cables
17:53<@akerl>Murica or bust
17:54<Peng>"This will be resolved as soon as possible but there is currently no available ETA."
17:54<@akerl>I tried to convince them to send my over there with a snorkle and some CAT5, but apparently that's not how this works
17:55<sirpengi>there's a fremont issue?
17:55<hawk>More like a fremont opportunity, amirite?
17:56<muka>Ah okay, was hoping that there's an ETA by now. Maybe it's resolved by tomorrow and I should jsut go sleep :P
17:56<sirpengi>i don't seem to be having any issues
17:56<sirpengi>if it works for me then obvs there's nothing wrong right
17:57<@akerl>Seems legit
17:57<hawk>Of course, that's standard internet discussion logic
17:58<muka>Well, my ssh keeps crashing, but my website does load even though it's much slower atm
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18:07<Eugene>I can certify that all of my FMT2 hardware being removed last night is TOTALLY UNRELATED to the current issues.
18:07<dwfreed>Eugene: aww, you didn't drive down?
18:08<Eugene>I still might. It's sitting in a buddy's apartment right now.
18:08<Eugene>HE were getting squirelly with me about the end-date of my contract, so I said fuggit and had it pulled out from under their noses
18:08<Eugene>And they can bite me for the 37th month of billing
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18:18<@qmr>Where will you be moving your kit to?
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18:24<Peng>wherever it is, they should get nervous after 36 months
18:27<m0unds>most of fmt2's connectivity was looped through Eugene's gear
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18:31<Peng>Eugene with an unappetizing bill is more dangerous to Internet stability than an illegal fishing boat and the USS Jimmy Carter combined.
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18:33*Woet sedates Peng
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18:35<m0unds>good idea
18:35*m0unds gets coffee
18:35<praetorian>OLAY OLAY OLAY OLAY!
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18:41<praetorian>chanting at the football
18:41<Eugene>You could shut down most of the internet for about 10 grand
18:42<Eugene>1) Rent 10 backhoes
18:42<Eugene>2) Drive them to the middle of nowhere along railroad lines
18:42<Eugene>3) Dig.
18:42<@qmr>That sounds like something a terrorist would say.
18:43<Eugene>Have you met my father?
18:44<Peng>If someone says "yes", will they be assassinated by the CIA?
18:44<dwfreed>I can't confirm or deny that
18:44<Eugene>No, I'd just ask if they scored a shirt. Those things are rare.
18:45<Eugene>Rarer than Linode shirts(I want one!)
18:45<Peng>like, a shirt that says "I met Eugene's father and have not yet been blown up"?
18:45<Eugene>There were two runs, "World Tour" and "Customer List"
18:46<Eugene>Oh, and qmr - unsure right now. Probably gonna cannibalize the ESXi hosts memory+CPUs for my desktop
18:47<Eugene>The switches and router gear will find a place around the house
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18:59<mk>hi- does anyone know if i can specifiy which region i want my hosting to be in?
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19:00<m0unds>mk yes, when you create a linode, it asks where you want to place it
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19:12<dozn>It should choose randomly
19:12<dozn>That would be much more entertaining
19:12<m0unds>yeah, with my luck, everything would be in tokyo
19:12<dozn>"Anddd... now you're going to have to follow the tokyo laws"
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19:12<m0unds>that includes mandatory furry porn if you run a webserver, right?
19:12<dozn>imageboards galore
19:13<Nivex>sensei wakarimasen
19:13<dozn>Something something tentacles
19:13<Eugene>Fart porn is best porn
19:13<m0unds>or sneeze porn
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19:16<dozn>Japan best Korea
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20:51<trippeh>he he
20:54*Nivex laughs
20:54<HoopyCat>i can die happy
21:00<Eugene>" is taken" :-(
21:01<Eugene>Which of you is it
21:02<James>trippeh: hehehe
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21:15<buhman>"Will not judge you too harshly"
21:15<buhman>who thinks up this stuff
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21:46<dozn>buhman: Whoever wrote it
21:46<dozn>most likely
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22:31<Eugene>htop configuration. Processors on L column, R column, Split 1/2 L/R? Above/Below the mem/swp & Load/Uptime stats?
22:32*Eugene is trying L/R split, below
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22:33<m0unds>how's nginx been working out?
22:33<Eugene>The configuration is simpler than Apache. Anecdotally the speed is faster, but I haven't tested it myself in practice.
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22:34<Eugene>I was(up until last week) 95% Apache purely out of habit. I forced myself to move everything over when provisioning this box.
22:34<m0unds>glad it's working out - i really like nginx myself
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22:42<chance>Any ideas on this. 1st time in years., cannot log in as root. I can log in w/ Lish. Reset password twice (after shutdown) and no luck w/ Putty..
22:43<m0unds>chance: check your sshd config and see if root login is permitted
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22:54<Eugene>I had a "wtf" moment when I moved from the CentOS package(1.0.15) to the nginx channel(1.6.something) and ipv6only defaulted to on
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22:56<m0unds>oh, yeah. haha.
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22:56<m0unds>not really sure why that's the default
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22:57<Eugene>God only knows. Glad I just had to change it in conf.d/default.conf once
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22:57<James>Eugene: debian has a different config to gentoo
22:57<James>such pain
22:58<Eugene>Of course, CentOS trololo
22:58<James>how do i get your config as a system wide default
22:59<Eugene>Though my nginx isn't in there
22:59<James>i don't know how to dalt
22:59<Eugene>Do you even README br0
23:00<m0unds>open salt, apply salt
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23:01<James>Eugene: there a way to make pam oauth optional?
23:01<m0unds>oy, this build is taking longer than i figured it would
23:02<Eugene>In what way?
23:02<Eugene>If Oauth failed, ask for pass?
23:02<James>not require all users to use it
23:02<James>there a way to use both oauth and pass?
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23:04<James>where is your htop config.
23:04<James>i no find it
23:04<Eugene>Not in that repo
23:04<James>plz do pastebin your htop config
23:04<Eugene>I believe what you need is "auth sufficient pam_oath\nauth sufficient password"
23:05<Eugene>Or similar
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23:05<Eugene>Then in sshd_config you want: AuthenticationMethods publickey,pam
23:05<James>ah, yeah
23:06<Eugene>This will force pubkey, then attempt oath. If that fails(hit enter), pam will prompt for pass
23:06<Eugene>(I think... I'm not a pam expert)
23:06<James>so pubkey AND pass?
23:06<James>i like
23:07<Eugene>That's what I have, yup.
23:07<Eugene>Note: CentOS has it as RequiredAuthentications2.
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23:18<BrightBacon>Question - trying to add another node, how do I get hourly billing?
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23:19<BrightBacon>Alls I see is $/mo
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23:23<James>go to the account tab
23:23<James>note it will convert -all- your linodes to hourly
23:23<James>so no annual/bi-ennial discounts
23:25<Peng>You can register a second account if you'd like to mix and match both types of billing.
23:25<BrightBacon>Yar, I'm shrinking my existing node so I can kill the extra 10gb I bought :P
23:25<BrightBacon>not eligible for metered
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23:29<Eugene>Stupid bashism of the day:
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