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---Logopened Thu Jul 24 00:00:15 2014
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00:37<kyhwana>Peng: soooon
00:37*kyhwana checks the "what's pouring" website of his local
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00:46<jinu>I ahve doubt
00:46<jinu>can any one help me
00:46<danblack>only one? be grateful.
00:46<danblack>but ask anyway
00:47<jinu>I have a Linode VPS server with CentOS 6.5 that has PHP 5.3.3 installed, for my new website I need 5.3.6 or later.
00:47<jinu>how to upgrade it?
00:48<jinu>can you tell me how to do it?
00:53<danblack>upgrading to centos7 would be one way
00:56<danblack>or perhaps looking in the fedora epel repositories
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01:00<danblack>jinu: doesn't appear to be in epel.
01:00<danblack>i'll leave it to you to decide if upgrading to centos7 is acceptable
01:01<jinu>ok thanks for the help
01:01<sirpengi>jinu: have you looked at remi or ius
01:01<sirpengi>both are repos that generally have newer versions of php
01:02<zifnab>i love how the centos methedology to updated packages is 'go find someone else's build'
01:03<sirpengi>that's the methodology of all LTS releases
01:03<zifnab>at least with ubuntu LTS you can do apt pinning and grab official packages from later distros
01:03<danblack>and if you know the constraints about what a distro does you can decide to accept it or not. Or run gentoo :-)
01:03<sirpengi>you could do the same with rhel as well
01:04<sirpengi>but you'll have better luck pulling a package built for your version
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01:05<jinu>thanks guys
01:05<jinu>i will try it
01:06<sirpengi>ius has 5.3.28
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01:06<sirpengi>remi appears to ditch 5.3 and has 5.4, 5.5, 5.6
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01:14<James>danblack: that's why i run gentoo
01:15<James>i make my own decisions on what i want to run
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01:21<zifnab>interesting number i just pulled up: our ups at work is capable of 750a @ 208v
01:22<zifnab>assuming you grabbed on to the main power rail inside (once again, assuming you could open it while under operation), theoretically thats enough power to vaporize you
01:23<zifnab>i have this suspicion that you couldn't hold onto it long enough to actually vaproize yourself
01:23<zifnab>heart/brain would be fried, you'd probably lose half your upper torso
01:25<dcraig>always do live work with one hand behind your back
01:25<Peng>always let zifnab do live work and then leave the building
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02:06<@jfred>UPSes are terrifying :<
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02:12<danblack>random lazy web question - is there earth-leakage on (at least some) UPSs?
02:21<Eugene>Earth-leakage on the negative pole? Possibly, if they're wired shittily.
02:21<Eugene>It would cause it to fail UL testing, tho, just like anything else that plugs into 120/240V
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02:47<James>Eugene: RCD's are meant to trip when stuff is dodgy
02:47<James>zifnab: would you stick your tounge to one of those?
02:48<James>Eugene: would you?
02:48<Eugene>Sure, wearing rubber boots.
02:48<James>apparently they're most likely 2V per cell
02:48<Eugene>Lead-acid, yeah
02:48<James>so, each box is a single cell
02:49<Eugene>King in $/Ah
02:49<James>multi-cell batteries are crap
02:49<James>for that
02:49<James>Eugene: so, 48V per string?
02:50<James>at how many amps
02:50<Eugene>Don't make me count drun
02:50<James>there are 24 cells per string
02:50<Eugene>Then yes.
02:50<Eugene>1.95V to 2.15V, close enough.
02:50<James>i guess that's the kind of config you'd use for solar power stoage
02:51<Eugene>Actually there's normally none
02:51<Eugene>Most solar installs are direct inverter-feed back to the grid
02:51<James>but some people in aus have opted out of the grid
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02:51<James>since it costs a crap-tonne even if you're not using it
02:51<Eugene>If you're off-grid, then yes, big batteries at 48V or 96V are common
02:52<Eugene>Refurbished forklift batteries are preferred because they're very cheap
02:52<James>i watched a show where someone used refurbed submarine batteries
02:52<Eugene>It's basically whatever you can get cheap
02:52<James>just not car batteries
02:53<Eugene>The solar system going in on the farm is a grid-tie system
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02:53<Eugene>Car batteries are explicitly the wrong kind
02:53<Eugene>Those cell are built for Cranking Amps, not Storage
02:53<James>seen an off-grid set up with car batteries
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02:53<Eugene>It's fine if you get the batteries cheap, but "golf cart" cells with a long life are what you spend money on
02:54<James>low voltage batteries better?
02:54<James>like, one of those 48V battery strings? :P
02:54<Eugene>Individual 2V cells tend to be cheaper in bulk purchases
02:54<Eugene>They're also more cost-effective to replace when a single cell goes bad
02:54<James>wonder why the cells have four posts
02:55<Eugene>Current ratings.
02:55<James>probs too much amps for a single post
02:55<James>like why some laptops use heaps of pins for the zif connectots >.>
02:55<Eugene>Exactly so: packaging conerns.
02:56<Eugene>I think that's also the difference between DSUB9 and DSUB25 serial
02:56<Eugene>since nothing passes 5V over serial anymore.... it's all 9-pin
02:57<Eugene>Or, y'know, USB.
02:57<James>sata uses duplicated pins in the power connector
02:57<James>due to current ratings
02:57<Eugene>But a larrrge quantity of ENTERPRISE equipment still has RJ-45 Serial jacks
02:57<James>same with USB3
02:57<Eugene>aka Cisco Console
02:58<Eugene>Unrelated: my farts are not pleasant tonight.
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03:07<James>my computer room smells like plastic
03:07<James>and not in a good way
03:08<James>Eugene: is this you
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03:08<Eugene>How the fuck do you make PuTTY use Ctrl-V instead of right-click
03:09<James>you can't
03:09<Eugene>I swear to shit if anybody says "use xterm" I will stab you in the nose
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03:09<James>sadly the cloest i got was setting it to use a context menu
03:09<@jfred>"use urxvt"
03:09<Eugene>I might be able to do it with aLogitech setting
03:09<James>"use jfred's nutsack"
03:10<Eugene>Do any of the forks do it? I've been seriously considering a switch
03:11<James>i use putty tray
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03:11<@jfred>now that I think about it I think I had to use middle click with X's clipboard when I was using urxvt
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03:12<Eugene>Fucking shells.
03:12<rsdehart>sounds uncomfortable
03:13<Eugene>Yeah, but there's nothing for using a KB shortcut
03:13<@jfred>I don't think you'll find one that uses Ctrl-V though because it conflicts with actual terminal keystrokes
03:13<@jfred>Ctrl-Shift-V is common though
03:14<Eugene>Any terminal construct that uses ^V can fuck right off
03:14<@jfred>The one thing I like about OSX as a Unix - command key for window things, ctrl key for terminal things
03:15<rsdehart>I've gotten into the habit of using shift/ctrl-insert
03:15<Eugene>I wouldn't care except I have 12,441,600 pixels to navigate my mouse through to find a given PuTTY window
03:15<Eugene>Which is a pain in the ass.
03:15<@jfred>rsdehart: That works, yeah
03:16<James>putty does shit-insert
03:16<Eugene>So it does
03:16<James>i did not know that
03:17<James>Eugene: does that do?
03:17<Eugene>I think that's a Windows key tho
03:17<James>works in hexchat too
03:17<Eugene>All the apps I just tried respect it
03:17<Eugene>So, W32API function then
03:18<Eugene>Now I just need to change my habits entirely :-|
03:18<James>it's an alternative if Ctrl+V doesn't work
03:18<James>Eugene: easier than using the mouse, no?
03:19<Eugene>I was hoping that Logitech SetPoint would let me set app-specific KB things, but no such luck :-(
03:19<Eugene>I can do it for the mouse, which I already to for the prev/next page thing
03:20<Eugene>Most apps have ctrl pgup/dn for tab switching; `screen` won't do ctrl+ for whatever reason, but alt+ work great.
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03:44<synapt>that's no way to talk to hoggs when he enters
03:45<Hoggs>Oh nate's still alive :o
03:45<Hoggs>sup broskittles
03:45<synapt>I know, no matter what I do life seems to still keep me around, disappointing isn't it?
03:45<Hoggs>Haha, nah
03:46<Hoggs>WHat are you up to now days?
03:46*synapt is currently breaking the bad news to a client that cleaning up the 'disabled' images on his site is only gonna free up about 1GB~
03:46<synapt>same as usual, work, insomnia, more work, and a lot of alt tabbing into games to relax a bit
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03:47<Hoggs>Building networks... and project managing because projects managers can't project manage.
03:47<synapt>isn't that how it usually goes? :P
03:47<Hoggs>Pretty much
03:48<Hoggs>Out IT department is down to 4 people
03:48<Hoggs>for 1000+ staff
03:48<James>synapt: how are you alive
03:48<synapt>I'd offer my services but I doubt they'd cover my relocation to NZ
03:48<James>relocate to australia
03:49<Hoggs>You'd have to work with the web hippies :p
03:49<James>i'll let you live in my shed
03:49<James>might even insulate the back room
03:49<synapt>Hoggs: I've probably worked with far worse, entertainingly seeing as I really only freelance still
03:50<synapt>my current client paid me pretty much entirely from the ad revenue of the site, google tanked his ad rates so now I'm like, the once-a-month worker
03:50<Hoggs>tanked in a good way?
03:51<synapt>neg, despite having rather far higher traffic turn out google was like "Yeah we're just gonna pay you like half what we were because whyn ot"
03:51<Hoggs>Ah, stink
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03:53<synapt>he said he's been shopping around different ad providers and stuff but dunno
03:53<synapt>he kinda couldn't put me off anymore though since the main image HDD is like 2 weeks from full
03:55<synapt>minus this 1GB of 'deleted/inactive' stuff he wants me to clear out
03:55<synapt>which will buy him like
03:55<synapt>another week
03:56<Hoggs>Delete logs, jobdone?
03:56<synapt>nah, this is literally -just- the partition for images and web files
03:56<synapt>and the web files make up like
03:56<synapt>0.05% of the total /var/www
03:57<synapt>/var/log is only like, 22GB at the moment
03:57*synapt prob should clear that up
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04:08<Hoggs>synapt: Been setting up the infrastructure in a new TV studio recently
04:08<Hoggs>So much pretty new stuff. Installed 20Gbits of fibre backbone. :p
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04:23<MJCS>something happened
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04:43<James>[6~/79 to you too
04:45<Peng>"[6~/79" to me too? You insult the honor of the entire Peng family!
04:46<Peng>Anyway, sorry for insulting the honor of the families of everyone in #linode. My keyboard driver or something kind of sucks.
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04:48<James>what is "[6~/79"
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04:52<Peng>"/79" is an IRC command. "[6~" is half a control code or something. Maybe an alt-tab?
04:52<James>yeah, ssh can do that some times
04:52<James>loses some of the packets
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08:42<linbot>New news from forum: Request assistance: "Excessive I/O Usage" in General Discussion <>
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08:55<linbot>New news from forum: Linode Images (beta) in Current Betas <>
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10:07<Tea>Is the gold master thing gonna have a fee after beta?
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10:08<@qmr>one MEELION dollars
10:08<Tea>one million?
10:08<Tea>that's a steal
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10:10<cruxeternus>How long does IP swap take?
10:10<cruxeternus>Is it instantaneous or ...?
10:11<@qmr>Close enough to instantaneous
10:11<cruxeternus>Ok, so no more than an hour? :)
10:11<cruxeternus>Just trying to cover my bases here
10:11<@akerl>Note: we don't change anything inside your Linodes. So hitting IP Swap does not change your actual networking configs inside your Linode
10:12<cruxeternus>Understood. But if I'm using DHCP, it should catch the changes on reboot, right?
10:12<buhman>or you could use lish if a reboot is too slow
10:12<@akerl>cruxeternus: Yes
10:13<cruxeternus>Great! Once again, Linode has anticipated my every need. :o
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10:16<linbot>New news from forum: Replacement for the Linode wiki in General Discussion <>
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10:18<buhman>good luck
10:19<cruxeternus>Wow, gold masters! I've been wanting that for forever! :o
10:19*cruxeternus hugs Linode.
10:21<sandeep>gold master?
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10:32<linbot>New news from forum: Replacement for the Linode wiki in General Discussion <>
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11:15<linbot>New news from forum: Can't access ISPConfig through :8080 in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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11:35<zach>Hey guys what happened to the old knowledge base articles?
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11:38<zach>Anyone around?
11:39<Nivex>nope. I'm asquare.
11:39<MotoHoss>why do so many places use an email address as a login... I don't want my email address(es) any of them... as a login... it's so stupid.(to me anyway. /rant off(for now).
11:40<Nivex>for the same reason retailers ask for your phone number
11:40<bob2>because it's a trivial unique identifier and means users don't have to make up and remember another thing
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11:41<zach>Exactly bob
11:41<zach>Again, anyone know where the KB articles went on linode?
11:41<Nivex>I once looked a cashier in the eye and said deadpan "I don't have a phone." Thankfully they didn't notice I had a cellphone on my belt.
11:41<alexf>zach they're still there but moved
11:42<alexf>that link should redirect to
11:42<zach>it did
11:42<alexf>is there a particular guide you can't find?
11:42<bob2>archiveorg then
11:42<MotoHoss>duh? it's stupid. Why do I want to have multiple passwords for the same "unique identifier" .... then it's not unique for me anymore...
11:42<zach>yea mod_wsgi python deployment
11:43<alexf>zach one moment please
11:43<bob2>your password system is ridiculous then
11:43<bob2>do you really have unique usernames on websites?
11:43<zach>I feel like the new library isn't as good
11:43<Nivex>mmm, I love me some ad hominem attacks in the morning
11:43<zach>Tell them to use oauth, then you can just login with the same names you always use
11:44<zach>google, facebook, github... whatever
11:44<bob2>definitely want to tie my ability to login to WebSiteX to my facebook or google account
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11:45<zach>It's not difficult to setup
11:45<zach>Tons of libraries out there for that sort of thing
11:45<alexf>zach any of the wsgi guides listed on what you're looking for?
11:49<MotoHoss>The looks on the clerks faces when I politely say ..."If you _must_ have my phone number I can leave." is priceless. You don't get that with websites :(
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13:09<lennie1984>In yet
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13:27<Eugene>I usually go with "No thank you"
13:27<Eugene>Followed by "Ok, Bye"
13:28<Eugene>It's a dick move to the cashier, but one thing you need to learn in retail(as a cashier, I learned it the hard way) is to just say "Yes"
13:28<Nivex>back when was still around, I'd sometimes use that number since it looked like a standard PSTN number, just with an invalid area code
13:28<Nivex>it met their need for a UID and I didn't have to give them a real number
13:29<Eugene>My real phone number is fake enough that people don't believe me or bother to call
13:29<Eugene>+1 234-567-9EEK (yes, seriously)
13:30<Nivex>another Ohioan?
13:30<Eugene>Google Voiceian
13:30<Nivex>ah ok
13:30<Eugene>You don't get that area+region code except by special request :-p
13:31<Nivex>I got my GV number in my old home area code because there happened to be one that spelled something I want there
13:31<dwfreed>Nivex: IPV6? :D
13:32<Nivex>heh, no. I tried for NIVEX but there wasn't any available so I got KJOTTE
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13:38*kafka claps
13:39<kafka>the new library is hot
13:39<dwfreed>eh, I liked the old one
13:40<dwfreed>having the table of contents on the left hand side all the time was actually useful
13:41<kafka>lol ok
13:41<kafka>well i like it, so my praise goes to the linode guys who whipped that up
13:41<kafka>quality content
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13:54<freakyp>Is there a link to the linode's aup/tos anywhere? I could not find it earlier.
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14:20<hofan41>hey guys, I was wondering if Linode support team did any server migration work? I am interested in switching my host to Linode but would like my website(s) to be migrated for me
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14:22<EyePulp>hofan41: I don't believe they do
14:23<alexf>hofan41 open a support ticket with the details of where you're moving from and what the site needs to run
14:24<@qmr>EyePulp: We now offer professional services
14:24<hofan41>ok, thanks!
14:24<hofan41>oh nice
14:24<hofan41>what is the rate of a typical LAMP migration?
14:24<EyePulp>qmr: Like hits on competitors? those kind of services?
14:25<EyePulp>qmr: I know you started doing managed linodes, but you mean general linux services?
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14:27<@qmr>Yes and yes.
14:27<EyePulp>heh. any urls I can read the details from?
14:28<@qmr>not at this time
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14:29<gparent>it's just two dozen linode employees signed up to Amazon's Mechanical Turk
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14:52<zifnab>wonder what ubuntu will do when they hit 'z'
14:52<zifnab>uvwxyz, six left
14:53<gparent>they'll shut down operations
14:53<gparent>and merge it all back into debian
14:55<zifnab>still can't wait for xenophobic xolotl
14:55<MotoHoss>gparent, please dont scare the kittens.
14:56<gparent>Killer Kittens could've been a nice one
14:56<zifnab>if debian had launchpad i'd be sold
14:57<MotoHoss>I will resist the temptation to laugh out loud.
14:58<Nivex>launchpad: where bug reports go to die
15:02<EyePulp>zifnab: sold in what way?
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15:19<linbot>New news from forum: Request assistance: "Excessive I/O Usage" in General Discussion <> || How to update from CentOS 4 to CentOS 7? in General Discussion <>
15:24<linbot>New news from forum: How to update from CentOS 4 to CentOS 7? in General Discussion <>
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15:26<Karrde>that guy should hire somebody's kid
15:26<Karrde>also "I am being told by Linode that I need to upgrade to CentOS 7" ?
15:26<staticsafe>CentOS 4 o_o
15:28<joesavage>My Linode Longview is displaying times an hour before the actual time where I live despite the fact that running 'date' on my server returns the correct time. I'm assuming that at current my live stats are still actually live and not an hour behind - just mislabelled - but it's hard to tell. Any ideas or should I just open a support ticket?
15:29<@qmr>joesavage: set your timezone under 'my profile'
15:30<linbot>New news from forum: Can't access ISPConfig through :8080 in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
15:30<joesavage>Figured it might be something like that but couldn't see the setting. That sorted it all out - thanks
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16:09<jhsu802701>Assuming that I'm not using too much memory, disk space, bandwidth, and other resources, can I run multiple web sites on the Linode 1GB plan?
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16:10<Cromulent>jhsu802701: yes
16:11<jhsu802701>Thanks, Cromulent.
16:15<linbot>New news from forum: How to update from CentOS 4 to CentOS 7? in General Discussion <>
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16:15<gcj>Hi, does anyone know if tjfontaine is around?
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16:36<linbot>New news from forum: Longview on CentOS 7 in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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16:42<korkile>how can i create an image from my machine?
16:43<korkile>like AMI ?
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16:44<korkile>anyone? :O
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16:45<@psandin>good timing, we just open a beta for that yesterday:
16:46<ivenkys>Folks i am running archlinux on one of my linode and saw that i could go onto a 64-bit profile ; so i essentially moved to a 64 bit profile but if i understand this correctly the underlying userpace is still 32 bit and anything i install now will be 32-bit; how do i move the whole thing to 64 bit (without losing data)
16:46<korkile>does the machine must be Down before creating the image ?
16:46<@psandin>nope, you can create the image from a running Linode
16:46<linbot>New news from forum: How to update from CentOS 4 to CentOS 7? in General Discussion <>
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16:47<ivenkys>I also see that there are no more 32-bit config profiles remaining .
16:50<Cromulent>ivenkys: best bet would be to backup your linode and do a complete reinstall to move the userspace to 64 bit as well
16:51<ivenkys>I suspected so - thats essentially rebuilding the whole thing , right ?
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16:52<ivenkys>I didnt realise there was no way of going back , gaah
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16:53<Cromulent>shouldn't be any problem running a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspace though
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16:54<@mdc>Just watch out for the setting in pacman.conf that uses your kernel bitness to determine if a 32bit/64bit package should be installed. IIRC, it defaults to automatic, which could lead to problems with a mixed environment.
16:54<ivenkys>it does default to auto
16:54<ivenkys>mdc : and thats exactly whats happened
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16:57<@mdc>If there are now 64bit packages installed, switching to a 32bit kernel would definitely break some things. Honestly, your best bet at this point is to install a fresh distro, copy over any data and configure it to your liking.
16:57<ivenkys>I cant think of any thing else either . thanks guys - i have another box where i can move this data
16:57<@mdc>Well, it would break those things that are 64bit and possibly anything that relies upon the package.
16:57<ivenkys>mdc: Cromulent : THanks gents
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16:57<@mdc>You're welcome!
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17:12<Pei>uh oh
17:14<Pei>i did pacman -Sy opensssl, it installed, but now if i run pacman now i get
17:14<Pei>pacman: error while loading shared libraries: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
17:15<dwfreed>you changed your kernel to 64 bit, didn't you?
17:15<Pei>this is after ge---yes
17:16<dwfreed>You missed a step:
17:16<Pei>*sigh* i knew this would bite me in the @$$
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17:17<dwfreed>since archlinux packages are just tarballs, you could presumably grab the x86 openssl package and unpack it onto your Linode to fix that
17:17<dwfreed>I concede to akerl as to whether that'll actually work or not
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17:21<Pei>i changed that option in pacman.conf but no go
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17:22<dwfreed>just changing the option doesn't fix the broken libraries on your system
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17:22<dwfreed>you'll still need to manually fix openssl
17:22<Pei>(I am disabled and cannot type except using an on screen keyboard, so please forgive any short replies.)
17:23<Pei>yeh, i'll def need help with this blunder\
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17:26<dwfreed>Pei: wget ; sudo tar -C / --exclude=.PKGINFO --exclude=.MTREE -xf openssl-1.0.1.h-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
17:26<dwfreed>and then I'd tell pacman to reinstall openssl
17:28*Peng stares
17:28<Pei>oh no
17:28<Peng>I hope there's an invisible "verify signature" step there.
17:28<Pei>it won't even let me use wget
17:28<dwfreed>oh right, needs openssl too
17:29<Pei>lynx too
17:29<dwfreed>want to learn how to speak HTTP?
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17:29<dwfreed>(now might be a good idea to restore from a backup)
17:29<Peng>Might be easiest to boot into rescue moe and do the tar stuff
17:30<dwfreed>or that
17:30<Peng>Or use netcat to download the file
17:31<Pei>oh no.............this sucks
17:31<Peng>Pei: It's not that bad.
17:31<Pei>no netcat on system
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17:32<ronkrt>if i add a new linode,
17:32<ronkrt>do i only get charged while its 'running
17:32<dwfreed>you get charged while it exists
17:33<dwfreed>all Linode resources are reserved
17:33<ronkrt>even if it is powered off?
17:33<ronkrt>how do i take advantage of the by hour price?
17:33<ronkrt>delete it after that time is up?
17:33<dwfreed>the by hour pricing is default for new customers; basically just means that your bill is for the hours that the linode existed
17:34<hawk>ronkrt: Delete it when you're done with it.
17:34<ronkrt>ok ty
17:36<hawk>ronkrt: can be of interest in that context. (Currently in beta)
17:37<Pei>anything else i should try before shutting it down and rebooting it?
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17:37<dwfreed>rebooting to rescue mode is going to be the easiest thing
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17:38<dwfreed>unless you really want to learn HTTP, because bash can open TCP connections
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17:41<Pei>lol i would man but like i noteed before i am limited to using an on screen kb
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17:53<dwfreed>yeah, I don't think you could type fast enough
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18:03<rsdehart>recycling server names: socially acceptable or not?
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18:04<sirpengi>what could go wrong
18:04<Ikaros>Heh. Way I like to see that - if a server I've had, had nothing but problem after problem after problem, I'd prefer not being reminded of it in the future.
18:05<Ikaros>Other than that, I don't see why not.
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18:13<@caker>we name ours after nicks in #linode
18:20<dwfreed>caker: the dwfreed host is running Gentoo, right?
18:20<staticsafe>no, it is running CentOS 4 to torment you
18:20<stinebd>mandrake 7.0
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18:22<SnowCrash>mandrake hnnnng
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19:10<Nivex>HoopyCat: OT: The Rochester Red Wings are playing here in Durham tonight.
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20:55<yepme>NJ box down?
20:55<dwfreed>there's more than one box in NJ, you're going to have to be more specific
20:57<retro|blah>there's more than one box in Newark, you're still going to need to be more specific
20:57<retro|blah>we can keep on doing this all day
20:57<dwfreed>best place to start would be to give your Linode's IP address
20:57<yepme>all i see is Newark, NJ, USA
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20:59<yepme>o dang just logged in says i am in migration que now
20:59<yepme>with 50 other users
20:59<retro|blah>ahhhhhh :/
20:59<Nivex>hmm... expect to see something on soon?
20:59<dwfreed>Nivex: unlikely; things that affect just one host just get tickets
21:00<Nivex>yepme: check your support tickets. you might have something in there
21:00<yepme>says hardward issues in newark
21:01<kyhwana>yepme: your host suffered a hardware issue, sounds like?
21:01<yepme>what is the new upgrade i have?
21:01<yepme>A pending free upgrade is available. Click here for more information!
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21:02*Nivex clicks there for more information
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21:02<yepme>says i need to switch to 64bit kernal
21:03<yepme>o more ram?
21:03<Nivex>depending on how long it's been since you took upgrades, could be more lots of things
21:04<yepme>i have my account since 2002
21:05<yepme>okay i wait for hardward update
21:05<yepme>then upgrade kernel
21:06<yepme>and then rebuild stuff and stay up all night
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21:08<@caker>to the sun
21:08<@caker>up all night to get Linode
21:09<twiz718>im up all night to recompile my kernel
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21:10<Nivex>caker: I'm glad it wasn't just my mind that went there
21:10<@caker>it's a sickness
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21:18<HoopyCat>get up, come on, get down with the linodes
21:18<HoopyCat>open up your cloud and let it flow into me
21:18<Nivex>the sickness apparently affects some people more than others
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21:33<James>HoopyCat: good song that
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21:34<HoopyCat>James: richard cheese's cover is dreamy
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21:39<James>wow, that's an awesome cover
21:40<HoopyCat>nod, he's pretty excellent.
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21:40<James>does system of a down too!
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21:46<HoopyCat>i have just been informed of
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21:53<James>HoopyCat: is that a big joke? :p
21:53<James>"$55 Committed"
21:59<HoopyCat>James: absolutely not
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22:06<jerome>Do linode VPS's give you the option to have plesk installed on it?
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22:09<HoopyCat>jerome: will plesk install onto a linux virtual machine? if so, then yes
22:09<jerome>yeah, i just figured it out
22:09<jerome>it will easily
22:09<synapt>jerome: linodes don't come with any native control panel options
22:09<synapt>you'd have to get your own license for it
22:09<jerome>i see
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22:20<treesoft>Hello, Do you Need linode official minutes
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22:21<treesoft>For those linode Need to Korean.
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22:22<zifnab>do you very some what about many?
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22:27<@akerl>Pei: Hi. pacman -Sy is actually the dumbest command to run ever
22:28<@akerl>dwfreed: pacman packages are sort of tarballs, but with PKGBUILD files that are magic
22:30<dwfreed>akerl: I only saw PKGINFO and MTREE files in the tar -tvf, unless they're stashed somewhere hidden in the tarball
22:31<@akerl>Some things don't have PKGBUILDs, depending on how chill they are
22:31<@akerl>but it's also separate from an upstream tarball
22:31<@akerl>this was regarding openssl?
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22:31<dwfreed>akerl: yes
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22:31<dwfreed>and i knew it wasn't a source tarball :)
22:32<@akerl> -> "Source files"
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22:34<haneefmubarak>so bandwidth overage is 10¢ / gb
22:35<haneefmubarak>which means that 1 TB = 10¢ / gb * 1000 GB = 100 USD
22:35<zifnab>or 10/2TB if you just pay for a month of another node
22:35<haneefmubarak>and i was wondering
22:35<@akerl>Yay math
22:35<zifnab>(as bamdwidth is pooled, better to go that route)
22:35<haneefmubarak>why they would do that
22:35<@akerl>haneefmubarak: Maybe they just like Linodes
22:35<haneefmubarak>becasue it wastes their resources... doesn't it>
22:35<zifnab>overages = 'you didnt plan this out, enjoy'
22:36<zifnab>its like paying for a 300mbit circuit that can burst to 1000mbit, vs a 1000mbit circuit
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22:36<zifnab>if i spend all my time at 1gbit, it's going to cost me in the neighborhood of 7k/mo
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22:36<haneefmubarak>yeah but why not just let people buy additional blocks of transfer (say 1TB = $ 7.5)
22:36<zifnab>if i buy a non burstable circuit. if i buy the burstable one, its 4x that.
22:37<zifnab>i'm assuming its easier to plan bandwidth requirements on linode's side
22:37<@akerl>haneefmubarak: because That's The Way It Is
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22:37<haneefmubarak>cause then they'd have less power consumption (because i might not GAF about wasting theri power) and more servers
22:37<haneefmubarak>akerl: lol
22:37<zifnab>its like asking why you pay taxes, the answer is 'because we pay taxes'
22:37<haneefmubarak>fine by me
22:38<haneefmubarak>its just such a waste but oh well
22:38<zifnab>you can always buy a new node and never deploy it (i have one in such a state)
22:38<haneefmubarak>i suppose i can alsways use the extra vms for internal stuff like monitoring and experiments and storage
22:38<HoopyCat>move fewer bytes per month, save the whole internet :-)
22:38<haneefmubarak>id rather have bigger pipes all over
22:39<@akerl>haneefmubarak: So get bigger Linodes
22:39<haneefmubarak>like itd be cool if every home had gigabit and every large installation had 10gig
22:39<zifnab>akerl: feature request! bandwidth pool usage notifications instead of per-host notifications
22:39<haneefmubarak>akerl: the rest of the stuff doesn't scale
22:39<@akerl>haneefmubarak: The rest of what stuff?
22:39<haneefmubarak>in fact not even the transfer scales
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22:39<@akerl>zifnab: P sure the 80%/100% notifs are overall
22:39<zifnab>they are not
22:39<@akerl>I'm like 80% sure
22:39<HoopyCat>i want my faucets to have hot, cold, and beer valves
22:40<zifnab>i'm 100% sure they are not
22:40<haneefmubarak>$960 = 20 TB
22:40<zifnab>got an email last week that one of my linodes (fuschia on accoutn zifnab06) was at 80%, unless i'm misisng something
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22:40<@akerl>zifnab: As the guy who was poking the systems that send alerts, I'll respectfully disagree
22:40<haneefmubarak>$10 = 2TB
22:40<@akerl>I believe there are per-Linode alerts, but there are also account-wide alerts
22:40<HoopyCat>haneefmubarak: or $320/mo for 20 TB
22:40<haneefmubarak>so its cheapest to just allocate the smallest vms for extra size
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22:41<haneefmubarak>20x $10 = 200
22:41<@akerl>haneefmubarak: Yea, sorry, I didn't think you were gonna go extremist on me
22:41<zifnab>so i'm missing something
22:41<haneefmubarak>hey you said it was all cool "because that's the way it is"
22:41<zifnab>akerl: where are the account wide notifications?
22:41<zifnab>because i got this last week:
22:41<zifnab>and overall i'm at 55% usage
22:42<haneefmubarak>HoopyCat: for that same $320 you could have 64TB of transfer
22:42<@akerl>zifnab: Have you hit 80% account-wide yet?
22:42<@akerl>Lemme know if you hit 80% account-wide and don't get a notice :P
22:42<zifnab>will do
22:42<@akerl>haneefmubarak: Not sure what you're looking for here
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22:42<zifnab>(just seems weird there's not a config page for it floating around somewhere, what if i'd like a notification at 50% or something)
22:42<@akerl>Transfer works the way it does, yes you can get cute with math if you're so inclined, yes you can get more Linodes, yes yes yes
22:43<@akerl>zifnab: P sure it's partially not configurable because there's not a great spot for it, and partially so we can be sure people get notifs before they owe $$$
22:43<@akerl>Imagine if those were disabl-able :P
22:43<zifnab>i can see that happenening.
22:44<zifnab>i'll test it out on the 30th for fun though, see if i can burn 1.3TB or something
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22:44<@akerl>I'll double check tomorrow and confirm I'm not crazy (at least not about this)
22:44<zifnab>dd /dev/random via ssh between nodes or something
22:44<dcraig>HoopyCat, regarding your Yo app, I'm just excited to see widescreen powerpoint slides
22:44<dwfreed>akerl: the transfer notices are totally per-Linode only, unless you know that changes have been made since I left
22:44<haneefmubarak>zifnab - i can DL a ton from you if you want
22:44<zifnab>lets not
22:44<HoopyCat>dcraig: i'll be sure to crop the edges when displaying them
22:44<zifnab>i'd rather be in control of it
22:45<zifnab>thanks for the offer though
22:45<haneefmubarak>np - ive been wanting to test out my latest multicloud load testing thingamabob that i use to check max page loads
22:46<haneefmubarak>oh well
22:46<haneefmubarak>wait isn't /dev/random slow? and also, isn't intraDC traffic free?
22:46<dwfreed>intra DC traffic over the private network is free
22:46<zifnab>tokyo->dallas isn't free
22:47<HoopyCat>intra-datacenter traffic which does NOT use the public IPv4 addresses is unmetered
22:47<haneefmubarak>ah okay
22:48<haneefmubarak>speaking of which
22:48<HoopyCat>(due to the extreme fragmentation of routable IPv4 space)
22:48<zifnab>you mean the ~570k routes on the internet?
22:48<zifnab>i dumped a list this morning
22:48<zifnab>only a 300mb text file
22:48<@akerl>zifnab: I have confirmed I'm in fact crazy. So I'll add a note to see if I can retroactively make my statement truthful
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22:48<zifnab>akerl: thanks :)
22:49<zifnab>not trying to be a pain or anything, just thought it was strange
22:49<@akerl>No worries :)
22:50<haneefmubarak>I was at OSCON and got to talk to the peeps at the HUGEASS Linode booth
22:50<haneefmubarak>they were pretty friendly and nice
22:50<haneefmubarak>but the funniest thing happened
22:50<haneefmubarak>when i headed over to the Rackspace booth and asked them why their pricing was exorbitant
22:51<haneefmubarak>the Rackers said, "Know anyone who provides service, uptime, and support like we do?"
22:51<dwfreed>"yeah, Linode"
22:51<haneefmubarak>and I was like, "Yeah, apparently the folks over at Linode"
22:51<@akerl>dwfreed: That hurts
22:51<haneefmubarak>and they're like
22:51<dwfreed>akerl: truth, Linode is better
22:52<haneefmubarak>"...OK yeah, they admiteddly do have pretty good service"
22:52<haneefmubarak>and i just couldn't stop laughing
22:52<HoopyCat>i know quite a few people who provide service, uptime, and support like rackspace
22:52<HoopyCat>they usually charge less than $5/mo tho
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22:59<zifnab>we have 'managed' services at work
22:59<zifnab>the same as a small linode is 50/mo, just for the vm
23:00<zifnab>managed stuff is an additional 68-120/hr
23:00<HoopyCat>i bet you still have to yum your own updates
23:01<zifnab>if its managed i do a ton of shit through icinga2
23:02<zifnab>yay event handlers + whatever python thingy it is i use
23:05<zifnab>i have to get an RFO written tonight
23:05<zifnab>i hate RFOs
23:06<zifnab>does 'bitch please, shit happens' work?
23:06<James>"RFO: i split pizza on the server"
23:06<zifnab>(main inet circuit went out this morning, partial fiber cut in washington due to fires)
23:06<James>zifnab: did the building the fire was in get burnt
23:07<zifnab>erm, washington has major forest fires
23:07<zifnab>supposedly they had a cut and rerouted our circuit around it
23:07<zifnab>latency went up by about 3ms from linode, so probably what happened
23:08<James>i guess one of the pits got melterered?
23:08<zifnab>means no sub-20ms ping to valve game servers anymore :(
23:08<zifnab>but yeah, its zayo
23:08<zifnab>they won't tell us
23:08<James>they probably can't get into the area to check
23:09<zifnab>the rfo they sent us: 'circuit went offline at 8:36, service was restored by 9:40'
23:09<James>we had that when places lost power due to the bushfires here (which legit got to within a few hundred metres of my house)
23:09<James>zifnab: nice one
23:09<zifnab>even though those times are wrong, went offline at 7:40AM, came back at closer to 10:30AM
23:09<James>they need to pay you less on your broken SLA's
23:09<zifnab>got the 'we need you here ten minutes ago' call at 7:41
23:10<zifnab>$COMPANY has a business fiber network
23:10<zifnab>city + school district are both on it
23:10<James>did you see my battery porn from yesterday?
23:10<zifnab>second circuit was supposed to be in two months ago from centurylink, they're dragging their feet
23:10<zifnab>i did not
23:10*James finds it
23:11<James> battery porn!
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23:11<zifnab>i'm kinda worried, i just looked at my wisdom teeth removal sites with a flashlight. my front four teeth are cracked
23:11<zifnab>never noticed before
23:11<zifnab>doesn't hurt
23:11<zifnab>just verticle hairline fractures. might see a dentist about it post vacation.
23:12<James>i'm guessing each one of those strings to be ~48V
23:12<zifnab>okay that battery bank is bothering me
23:12<James>zifnab: yeah?
23:12<zifnab>James: what if a battery in the center fails
23:12<James>you replace it
23:12<zifnab>the whole array goes down though?
23:12<James>hence why you have seven of them
23:12<zifnab>yeah good point
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23:13<m0unds>bat trees
23:13<James>zifnab: replacement is cheaper, since it's a single cell
23:13<zifnab>not looking forward to january, our 170kva ups needs battery replacement
23:13<James>how are its battery banks set up?
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23:13<zifnab>there are two
23:13<zifnab>each lasts for about 10min in case of an outage
23:13<zifnab>generator kick son in ~30s
23:14<zifnab>but, supposedly
23:14<gallaeaho>Hey all, just wanted to give shoutouts to linode staff rfeliciano and dgilhooley for being super cool and assisting me with my servers in my time of need
23:14<zifnab>total of ~800a at 208v
23:14<gallaeaho>(They're in here, so feel free to recognize them as well)
23:14<zifnab>if my math is right
23:14<James>zifnab: but, like newark, the generator forgets to turn on?
23:14<zifnab>tested biweekly
23:14<HoopyCat>zifnab: if anything like the ones i used to play with, the boxes contain hundreds of 12V 8AH SLA batteries
23:14<m0unds>yea, that's still the case
23:14<zifnab>James: our ats is set up to do a self test every 15 days
23:14<James>HoopyCat: why don't people use 2V cells
23:15<James>zifnab: good
23:15<m0unds>usually - even our 1 mo old 500kVA chassis still just have 12V batts in them
23:15<zifnab>switches over to generator without dropping mains
23:15<HoopyCat>gallaeaho: caker shall scroll up and see that, if i highlight him :-)
23:15<James>zifnab: the transfer switch you mean?
23:15<James>yeah, newark apparently didn't test theirs >.>
23:15<zifnab>thatis the one thing we actually have set up correctly
23:15<zifnab>i can't tell you if our network goes down, because all our monitoring instances are inside
23:15<James>how big are the switches?
23:16<gallaeaho>HoopyCat: wicked
23:16<gallaeaho>Thanks for that
23:16<zifnab>i coudln't tell you, i've never climbed up and looked
23:16<zifnab>maybe fridge size, if its the box i think it is
23:16<James>probably a big box, yeah
23:16<zifnab>i don't deal with any of that stuff, minus getting emails if shit fails
23:16<zifnab>'not my job'
23:16<James>those switches can blow up, so they'd need a big box
23:16<zifnab>i'm a softawre engineer who ends up doing too many IT things
23:17<HoopyCat>James: i coulda swore the 12V SLAs had six cells, and therefore ~2 V/cell
23:17<James>HoopyCat: but, single cell batteries
23:17<zifnab>i want a flywheel though...
23:17<m0unds>vycon ftw
23:17<James>don't have to throw away an entire battery if a single cell is bad
23:17<zifnab>its been a 'we should do this' item for a long time
23:17<zifnab>batteries no longer need replacing
23:17<m0unds> for great justice
23:18<zifnab>has a giant spinnign disk that keeps spinning for ~2min and generates electricity while the generator takes over
23:18<James>zifnab: yeah, you'd put the flywheel between mains and the UPSes right?
23:18<m0unds>you can do hybrid flywheen + battery systems too, where the flywheel handles the bulk of short duration outages or blips
23:18<zifnab>James: the UPS would get replaced
23:18<James>oh right
23:18<m0unds>the ups and rectifier gear is still there
23:18<James>hybrid would be good
23:18<m0unds>you just swap the battery for a flywheel
23:18<HoopyCat>James: because there's very little benefit and it'd require revamping how batteries are designed and manufactured
23:18<m0unds>or both
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23:19<James>HoopyCat: the battery porn i linked uses a string of 2V batteries
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23:19<zifnab>somethign you guys might enjoy
23:19<zifnab>we have an ibm 1350 that does vm hosting
23:19<James>does facebook have flywheels
23:20<zifnab>it has a DI water loop through the rack
23:20<James>i know they have clouds
23:20<zifnab>that then connects to a set of heat exchangers and heats the building in the winter
23:20<HoopyCat>i need to get off of my ass and batter my network closet here
23:20<m0unds>fry it in peanut oil?
23:20<James>HoopyCat: i'll get the deep fryer ready
23:21<James>mmm, battered network closet
23:21<HoopyCat>entirely at the other end of the spectrum as far as power and runtime go, of course
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23:25<James>HoopyCat: put a flywheel in your basement
23:25<James>doubles as a torture device
23:25<m0unds>the flywheel's in a vacuum
23:25<James>m0unds: ?
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23:26<m0unds>UPS flywheels are in a vacuum chamber
23:26<James>less air resistance
23:26<m0unds>yeha, the maintenance on them is changing the pump oil and dryer
23:26<James>that's fuck all maintenance
23:26*m0unds likes flywheels, will likely have some onsite by next year
23:26<James>flywheels are old tech
23:26<James>amazed more places don't have em
23:26<m0unds>yup, they've been used for VFDs for years
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23:28<HoopyCat>i hear their bearings have some serious balls
23:28<James>why not fluid bearings?
23:28<m0unds>ours will likely be the primary power source for eaton powerware 9xxx series ups' with additional battery support because our facilities engineers are wieners
23:29<James>lol eaton
23:29<James>i had one of their "consumer" line upses catch fire
23:29<James>yeah, it cut out and i saw smoke... quickly rushed it outside
23:30<James>melted a few traces
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23:38<john>support windows vps?
23:38<john>i need sql server
23:39<@rfeliciano>Linode provides Linux VPSs.
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23:42<staticsafe>hello kyhwana
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23:49<haneefmubarak>HoopyCat: sorry to resurrect, but who are those other providers who have service uptime support like RS and Linode for decent prices?
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23:58<gallaeaho>rfeliciano: No i thought we provided Linodes
23:59<gallaeaho>omg my life is a lie !1
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