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#linode IRC Logs for 2014-07-28

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00:36<learner>hey guys how's everyone doing
00:37*Ikaros stares
00:39*dcraig escalators
00:43<Ikaros>Ha
00:46<Ikaros>...ok, so I apparently ended up with what just might be the only IP from the ISP with no damn rDNS associated with it. Screwing with some of my server security measures and my access.
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00:50<Turl>my ISP's rDNS does not resolve heh
00:52<Ikaros>Usually mine does, poking around their assigned IP ranges shows they're usually very, very good about making sure there's a reverse entry for each of their IPs. Turns out I get one this time around that has no host records with it at all.
00:52<James>Turl: love it when that happens
00:53<James>Ikaros: pretty sure most dynamically assign them
00:53<James>and sometimes... a block gets missed
00:53<Ikaros>This block wasn't missed, I just seemed to get one IN the block they missed.
00:53<@mikegrb>lulz
00:53<James>lol
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00:54<Ikaros>http://bgp.he.net/ip/173.57.198.8
00:54<Ikaros>>>
00:56<Turl>"AS701 announces bogons." :p
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00:56<@mikegrb>lulz
00:56<James>lol
00:56<James>Turl: was going to say, is it verizon?
00:57<James>cos i know they do
00:57<Ikaros>Yeah they have 4 unallocated blocks, two /24, one /22, and one /16
00:57<Turl>James: yap
00:57<Turl>"verizon business/uunet"
00:58<Ikaros>Though funny enough, I'm not a business connection :p
00:59*Ikaros is residential
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00:59<Turl>there's not too many v4 IPs these days
01:00<dcraig>or there are as many as there always have been
01:02<Turl>free v4*
01:03<dcraig>linode still charges $1 for them... you'd think they'd be going up in price
01:03<Turl>you need to have a reason to ask for one as well iirc
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01:04<dcraig>yeah but something that costs $1/mo doesn't exactly sound like a limited resource
01:04<dcraig>so what's going on?
01:06<Turl>dcraig: I pay 1$ a month for natural gas, that doesn't make it an unlimited resource
01:07<dcraig>well who knows how much you use :p
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01:07<dcraig>I don't pay for any...
01:07<Turl>dcraig: all my heating (ambient, water) and cooking runs on gas
01:07<Turl>and it's winter :)
01:08<dcraig>all electric here
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01:10<Turl>I wouldn't want to run all electric. Especially on summer, when the grid is so eager to give up
01:11<dcraig>well I don't have a/c
01:12<dcraig>I'll have to see what things are like in the winter
01:12<dcraig>just moved here in may
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01:15<gswain>if i needed a low latency connection to boise, id and denver which datacenter should i use?
01:17<danblack>gswain: use mtr {hostname} where hostname is the list here https://www.linode.com/speedtest
01:17<dcraig>probably fremont or dallas
01:18<gswain>no offense intended but i hear HE was a really bad provider? whats your experience with them?'
01:19<dwfreed>HE is actually pretty good
01:19<dwfreed>they just get unlucky a lot more often
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01:19<dwfreed>and a fair amount of traffic crosses their network, so more people notice
01:19<dcraig>I feel like it's been a while since there's been any major outage at fremont
01:19<gswain>so they tend to go down a bit more?
01:19*dcraig knocks on wood
01:19<@mikegrb>lulz
01:19<gswain>lol
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01:19<rnowak>now you've done it, dcraig
01:20<dwfreed>gswain: no more or less than any other provider, on average
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01:22<gswain>in some places you say vcpu in others you say cpu core is the new architecture one core from those sandy bridge processors or a hyperthread or?
01:23<dwfreed>vcpu = core, in this case
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01:28<synapt>I'd think they're putting linodes on the logical cores too though
01:29<dwfreed>that'd make sense, but ends up being irrelevant; Xen handles what real threads the vCPUs run on, and that's completely transparent
01:31<synapt>indeed, plus the HT in the modern xeon's aren't really like the P4 days, you'd probably get pretty negligable difference in performance between a physical and logical core
01:32<gswain>that makes sense
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01:37<rnowak>there's also no clear separation between them as is made to sound here
01:38<dwfreed>rnowak: well, Xen knows which is which, it's just invisible to the domU kernel
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01:40<rnowak>ok? oversimplifying HT into "real" and "fake" cores doesn't do anyone any good, and everyone and everything does it
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01:59<synapt>rnowak: I think the original question (as I saw someone ask last night even) was if linode put people on the logical cores
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02:05<SMARTDODO>Can anyone help me? I cannot register for a linode account.
02:06<SMARTDODO>The errir us: — Your email address appears invalid. —
02:06<SMARTDODO>*error
02:06<kyhwana>oh?
02:06<kyhwana>does it havr any weird characters in it?
02:08<rnowak>synapt: that's not how it works
02:09<rnowak>synapt: they are all logical, fwiw, too. While the WP article is pretty thin, it should serve as an introduction
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02:13<synapt>rnowak: Well yes but intel generally separates them as physical + logical (with emphasis on logical being the hyperthreaded ones especially), so I guess the better question for people to phrase it is if linode uses all the logical cores entirely (HT ones included)
02:13<rnowak>it separates them as cores vs threads, and other things call threads logical cores
02:14<rnowak>a hypervisor is something that should be able to make very good use of HT, if they do, I don't know
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03:50<linbot>New news from forum: Starting Linux Web Hosting Administration in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11196&p=64267#p64267>
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04:53<linbot>New news from forum: can't connect to icecast2 from remote in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11194&p=64268#p64268>
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05:16<qqq>hello
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05:25<James>qqq: hi there :)
05:26<qqq>James: hello
05:29<qqq>I have question about the machine's transfer, if I buy a Linode 1GB, it has 2TB transfer. this qty is in + out 's transfer ?
05:30<buhman>qqq: outbound-only.
05:30<qqq>buhman: ok. ^^
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08:03<looney>Hi, i just got a ""Error establishing a database connection" with a new wordpress install - The server seemed to lock up (couldnt log in), then I rebooted and it worked again - just wondering anyone know what might have happened?
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08:04<shaheed>check sql logs
08:04<shaheed>and/or php
08:05<looney>in logs I get " is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed" not sure what to do next
08:06<shaheed>does wordpress work properly
08:06<@akerl>looney: Sounds like MySQL has errors
08:07<shaheed>when i've had that my tables had gone corrupted
08:07<shaheed>and I'd have to repair them
08:07<looney>yes, ive got two sites, wordpress is working on (but it says there is a problem with two tables), joomla site is hosed (says mysql tables need fixing)
08:07<looney>surprised i never had this problem before
08:09<shaheed>google
08:09<shaheed>`how to repair mysql tables'
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08:14<looney>yep done, seemed to fix ok
08:15<shaheed>:)
08:15<looney>just wondering though, will it happen again? why it might have happened in the first place?
08:15<shaheed>probably not
08:15<shaheed>there's different reasons
08:15<shaheed>such as that the mysql process is killed in the middle of a write
08:15<shaheed>uexpected shutdown
08:16<shaheed>softwuare bug
08:16<shaheed>etc
08:17<looney>right thx shaheed i shall go huntin !
08:17<shaheed>bye :)
08:17<shaheed>no problem
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---Logopened Mon Jul 28 08:26:34 2014
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08:27<James>mikegrb: !
08:28<James>mikegrb: we know you're there
08:28<@mikegrb>I'm a bot, I'm always there.
08:28<James>somewhere
08:28<@mikegrb>lulz
08:28<James>lol
08:28<James>XD
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08:28<James>:P
08:28<@mikegrb>ruflz
08:28<James>rofl
08:28<James>hmm
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08:28<James>are you manually typing that
08:29<@mikegrb>lulz
08:29<James>or is your script lol broken
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08:29<James>honestly i can't tell ;)
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08:32<avenj>few people know this, but mikegrb is actually a few lines of perl running at linode HQ
08:33<@mikegrb>s/few lines/couple lines/
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09:22<arby>They're a pest, we can trivially deal with them. I'm MORE interested in !ops response to this sort of scan in light of Linode's ToS: "... Access to Other Computers or Networks without Authorization ...", especially when it comes to 'mystery' customers' behavior.
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09:30<@akerl>You're unlikely to have a productive discussion about a specific situation via IRC; your best bet would be to reach out to abuse@linode.com again
09:31<dwfreed>that said, you can save yourself a lot of bellyache by just opting out and moving on with life
09:32<arby>akerl: 3 emails back and forth with them already got the aformentioned non-response. What's the value in repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result?
09:32<arby>dwfreed: You're free to consider your ISPs ToS bellyaching. I don't.
09:32<Zigara>what is the harm in port scanning?
09:33<dwfreed>arby: you're the one bellyaching; Linode's ToS aside, people port scan; you're on the Internet, it's going to happen; just be glad these guys let you opt out of their scanning
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09:33<arby>Zigara: as I said, the issue for me is Linode's reponse and their enforcement, or not, of their ToS.
09:34<@mikegrb>lulz
09:34<arby>dwfreed: lol. that's funny.
09:34<Nivex>I guess we're arguing what constitutes "Authorization". Linode is obviously aware of the activity and condones it. That sounds like authorization to me.
09:35<Nivex>I have reported scans from other Linodes to abuse@ before and those users have been removed.
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09:38<arby>Nivex: yep. "Attempting unauthorized and/or illegal access of computers, networks and/or accounts not belonging to party seeking access. " Authorized by whom, I suppose? Me, or @Linode. To be clear, "they" are not just scanning @ my Linodes -- which I could arguably see @Linode might feel authority over -- but they're scanning at our LANs around the US (at least), that are NOT associated with Linode in any way.
09:39<dwfreed>I'm sure you could have a several year legal argument over whether port scanning constitutes "access"
09:39<Nivex>yep. Lawyer up!
09:40<arby>A 5-second, concise, non-brushing-off reponse from Linode clarifying their position would do.
09:40<Zigara>I would say bruteforcing is more along the lines of attempting unauthorized access
09:40<dwfreed>their position is, just opt out if you want it to stop
09:40<Nivex>You got a response from Linode. You just don't like it.
09:41<Zigara>port scanning is more like a knock on the door
09:41<arby>Opinions are like a__holes; everybody's got one. Any of you actually speaking for caker et al?
09:41<Nivex>nope. this is the community
09:42<dwfreed>you came to the wrong place if you wanted an official response
09:42<dwfreed>!official
09:42<linbot>If you need to contact somebody at Linode in an official capacity you should open a support ticket or email service@linode.com. Unofficial help & information is provided here on a best-effort basis
09:42<Nivex>09:30:38 <@akerl> You're unlikely to have a productive discussion about a specific situation via IRC; your best bet would be to reach out to abuse@linode.com again
09:42<@akerl>^
09:42<arby>Nivex: akerl [06:31] <arby> akerl: 3 emails back and forth with them already got the aformentioned non-response. What's the value in repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result?
09:42<Nivex>There is none. You can stfu now.
09:43<@akerl>Way more value than ranting here where 90% of the people cannot help you
09:43<arby>Nivex: and please go screw yourslf. Have a nice day.
09:43<Nivex>Thanks. You too!
09:43<@akerl>Play nice, everybody
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09:44<arby>akerl: Which is why I asked for !ops input. Linode's ignored the issue so far. caker's been cc'd too. No response so far.
09:44<@akerl>...
09:44<@akerl>I am an employee of Linode, speaking for Linode, and I am suggesting that email is the correct avenue if you want to pursue this further
09:45<arby>akerl: Again, we did already. The repeated non-reponse vie email IS the problem.
09:46<Nivex>round and round we go
09:46<dwfreed>Nivex: where we stop, nobody knows!
09:46<arby>Aren't 'ignore' flags in IRC wonderful?
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09:48<dwfreed>arby: in the 20 minutes you've spent complaining about this, you could have written at least 4 opt out emails, including the time it takes to look up all of Sonic's netblocks (assuming you don't already have them all memorized)
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09:49<dwfreed>Linode has given you their response, which is "opt out if you don't want the scans"; clearly the project handles opt out emails appropriately, so use them
09:49<Nivex>dwfreed: I've seen his type before. He's just going to keep whinging until he gets what he wants or runs out of steam.
09:49<Nivex>dwfreed: not even worth a whaaaambulance call.
09:50<dwfreed>heh
09:50<@mikegrb>lulz
09:50<shaheed>lol
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09:52<Nivex>The worst part about it is, there are some who don't even know what they want. They just love to complain.
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09:52<Nivex>and before the inevitable urmom joke, yes she is one of them. That's part of the reason we're estranged.
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10:46<Daug>ok now this is super weird
10:46<Daug>I am saying "service apache2 stop"
10:46<Daug>it says "ok"
10:46<shaheed>ok
10:46<Daug>and I see it is still running
10:47<shaheed>how are you seeing it
10:47<shaheed>where*
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10:47<Daug>status
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10:47<shaheed>try /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
10:47<shaheed>and see if that works
10:47<shaheed>also copy paste the output of this command:
10:47<shaheed>ps aux | grep -i apache
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10:51<Daug>root 31888 0.0 0.0 4384 836 pts/0 S+ 14:48 0:00 grep --color=auto -i apache
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10:52<jfred>that's the only line?
10:52<Daug>yes
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10:53<shaheed>that means that apache isn't running
10:53<jfred>what distro is this btw?
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11:02<Typo>and I urge you to take shaheeds advice and check for users you dont recognize
11:02<shaheed>A quick solution would be to back up everything and do a clean install
11:02<MajObviousman>dat feeling when you nail a particularly tricky regexp on the first time
11:03<shaheed>install fail2ban
11:03<shaheed>and have a strong password
11:03<Daug>already installed fail2ban
11:03<Daug>no entries there
11:03<@akerl>fail2ban is not a security tool
11:03<shaheed>see the auth.log
11:03<shaheed>for any unauthorized access
11:03<MajObviousman>wait wait I know this one
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11:03<shaheed>nobody claimed it was akerl
11:03<MajObviousman>fail2ban is a database software, right?
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11:04<@akerl>MajObviousman: iptables as a key-value store
11:04<Typo>its possible to have scripts put in by hackers or w/e that will propegate these attacks to other wp sites but that would stop once u shut down apache as nothing to serve those files ... if even with apache down you still see this, it infers a more serious issue such as a user having access to your box and installing a small node webserver to handle their nefarious needs
11:04<Daug>first of all I am gonna reboot the vps
11:04<Typo>you need to check every publicly accessible folder for new folders and files you didnt put there
11:04<Typo>wp actually has a little what to do page, have a look
11:04<Typo>http://codex.wordpress.org/FAQ_My_site_was_hacked
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11:04<@akerl>Daug: If you think it is compromised, don't reboot it, shut it down
11:04<@akerl>and use Rescue Mode
11:04<MajObviousman>gah, so close! Is it a traffic shaping tool?
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11:05<Typo>MajObviousman, ++ on the regex comment
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11:05*MajObviousman basks
11:05<Typo>¶¦¬D
11:05<Daug>trying to see if after rebooting it still shows the entries in tcpdump
11:05<MajObviousman>I just had to take a moment and enjoy the success
11:05<MajObviousman>aaaaand now it's back to climbing mountains again
11:06<Typo>:) enjoy
11:06<Typo>i think im going to take a break and make a double cheeseburger
11:06<@mikegrb>lulz
11:06<Daug>lol
11:07<Daug>ok confirmed it's still sending
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11:11<shaheed>look through logs
11:11<Daug>what other ports can send out such post requests?
11:11<shaheed>and unauthorized users
11:11<shaheed>port 443 iirc
11:12<@akerl>...
11:12<@akerl>Daug: Any port can send HTTP requests
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11:26<Daug>is there a command to see list of users based on their last login?
11:26<Nivex>Daug: lastlog
11:27<Daug>so Typo, there is no user logged in
11:28<Daug>btw, lastlog shows login from terminal or even if it was accessed via SFTP?
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12:14<Eugene>I almost opened a support ticket with Linode out of habit for a box that isn't a Linode.
12:14<dwfreed>Eugene: hah
12:15<Eugene>Stopped only when I read the MTR
12:15<jfred>clearly you just love us :P
12:15<gparent>I just only all my tickets with Linode
12:15<gparent>They fix my toaster really fast
12:16<gparent>this linode managed thing is really working out for me
12:16<gparent>I just open all*
12:16<jfred>"Hi, Linode? My power's out."
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12:19<gparent>When I die, my conciousness will be transfered to a Linodia ressurection ship and I will be reborn as a stronger, better Linode.
12:19<praetorian>someone needs to fix linbot, it only connects via ipv4. needs more ipv6.
12:20<@akerl>Heh
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12:30<Eugene>I hope somebody bothered to take seriously that promise to audit Linode's systems from a few years ago
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12:31<Eugene>You know, the ones with Manager exploits and stealing a bunch of buttcoins, then the thing where the user DB got pinched
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12:34<EyePulp>Eugene: wasn't that the Cold Fusion based admin/login being compromised?
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12:34<Eugene>There were several, and I can't be arsed to look up logs / the "disclosure" in the blog posts.
12:35<Eugene>I think the buttcoins was the CFM and the other was an old personal machine that had a dump of the forum(lulz)
12:35<EyePulp>that rings a bell
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12:44<Norbi>Hello! I would have a quick question. I've just signed up and would like to select a distro. I read a lot about selecting a distro, but all sais "it depends". Debian or Centos is better if I would like to find more tutorial on web?
12:44<@akerl>Norbi: Either
12:45<shaheed>Norbi: debian imo
12:45<MotoHoss>debian
12:45<Norbi>as for stackscripts, why is that there are 453 centos and only 56 debian. Is debian not used by others that much?
12:45<shaheed>debian is used more than centos
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12:46<Norbi>ok, thanks, maybe that's why debian is default when deploying a new server
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13:14<linbot>New news from forum: Starting Linux Web Hosting Administration in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11196&p=64271#p64271>
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13:33<mikejones_>how do i determine why my server is not responding?(getting timeout error on all pages)
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13:34<@akerl>check lish?
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13:36<EyePulp>mikejones_: can you ssh into it?
13:36<mikejones_>yea I can
13:36<EyePulp>what's the server/service that's timing out?
13:38<mikejones_>how can I check?
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13:44<mikejones_>I think I ran a cronjob that failed to complete and now my server is not responding
13:44<bob2>"what actual problem are you observing"
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13:48<mikejones_>i cant visit the server the page never finishes loading
13:48<bob2>18:44:12 < mikejones_> I think I ran a cronjob that failed to complete and now my server is not responding
13:48<bob2>what does that mean
13:49<mikejones_>I ran a scheduled task which failed and perhaps thats why I cant access my server anymore
13:49<mikejones_>i'm not sure
13:49<@akerl>mikejones_: What is your server's IP?
13:49<mikejones_>http://198.58.104.99
13:49<bob2>what was the task
13:50<@akerl>mikejones_: And you've checked Lish?
13:50<mikejones_>a bunch of cURL requests
13:50<mikejones_>how do I check that akerl
13:50<@akerl>!lish
13:50<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/using-lish-the-linode-shell
13:50<mikejones_>I want to know what happened before i reboot my server
13:51<@akerl>?
13:51<@akerl>what
13:51<mikejones_>why would I use LISH when I can ssh into my server just fine?
13:51<@akerl>...
13:52<@akerl>If you can SSH to it, why don't you check your logs to see why the web server isn't responding
13:52<mikejones_>so just check PHP logs?
13:53<@akerl>or your web server
13:53<bob2>:-| <- this is my surprised face at it involving apache and mod_php
13:56<mikejones_>All i see is : 2014/07/28 17:20:58 [error] 3801#0: *311025 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream
13:56<mikejones_>which doesn't really help me
13:57<bob2>are you your sysadmin?
13:57<mikejones_>yes
13:57<bob2>read syslog and kern.log and whatever your php thing puts logs into
13:57<bob2>and check what top says is going on
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14:01<mikejones_>i hate servers
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14:06<MotoHoss>naaah I suspect u really don't hate servers. u may hate interacting with them in the manner in which you need to right this minute...(the error business) I think u really dun hate them cuz without them....I think you wouldn't be doin this(asking for assistance).... or surfing the web or..........
14:08<mikejones_>indeed
14:08<mikejones_>so syslog told me nothing
14:09<mikejones_>i need to know why it's timing out at that concurrent request is there a command i can run?
14:09<bob2>uhhhh
14:09<MotoHoss>what web server? apache?
14:09<bob2>i don't feel like you did all the things i said above
14:10<mikejones_>nginx
14:11<mikejones_>I looked at all the logs
14:11<bob2>and what did top say
14:11<bob2>did it say OMG SOME SHITTY PHP PROCESS HAS GONE MENTAL?
14:11<mikejones_>it was a cURL error
14:12<mikejones_>but it doesn't really make sense unless it's like still running the request
14:12<mikejones_>for the server to hang
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16:01<C0d3r>Hello? I have some questions about Lindoe VPS Hosting.
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16:01<EyePulp>Hello!
16:01<Nivex>ask away!
16:01<EyePulp>I like your nick - very mysterious.
16:01<Eugene>So, I got an invite to the Google Domains thing.
16:01<C0d3r>Hi! I currently have a Godaddy hosting account.
16:02<EyePulp>Hello!
16:02<C0d3r>I'm wondering how will the transition to lindoe be?
16:02<MJCS->depends on your tech knowledge
16:02<C0d3r>I really appreciate all the help I can get :)
16:02<C0d3r>I'm a tech savvy.
16:02<EyePulp>C0d3r: The difficulty will be based on your knowledge and the complexity of what you're hosting.
16:03<@mdc>C0d3r: This may be of some use to you: https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode
16:03<EyePulp>What are you currently doing with your godaddy hosted setup?
16:03<C0d3r>I have a wordpress blog, but that's not all that I want to do.
16:04<C0d3r>I'm working on creating web apps in CGI binaries.
16:04<C0d3r>I recently got into this and I realized godaddy isn't enough!
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16:05<C0d3r>Thanks for the link mdc.
16:06<C0d3r>Does SSH, FTP, etc... access come standard on Linode basic?
16:06<@akerl>Our images run an SSH server. They do not run FTP, primarily because FTP is terrible
16:06<EyePulp>C0d3r: You have root level access to your own linux box, essentially. you can do whatever you like with it.
16:07<shaheed>you can use SFTP C0d3r
16:07<C0d3r>I meant SFTP by FTP :)
16:07<EyePulp>C0d3r: how proficient/comfortable are you setting up a linux server?
16:07<C0d3r>I'm constantly in connection with my server, so SFTP/SSH is a top priority.
16:08<bob2>openssh does sftp by default
16:08<C0d3r>That's good to hear.
16:08<bob2>but if you mean "I use sftp to edit PHP code on my web server", you probably want to stop and fix things now
16:08<C0d3r>I'm in general pretty comfortable.
16:08<EyePulp>C0d3r: do you have a preferred distro you're planning on using?
16:09<C0d3r>I primarily use VIM/Nano for editing code.
16:09<C0d3r>Well, I have no specific perforation.
16:09<C0d3r>Any Linux distribution pleases me.
16:09<EyePulp>Hmm
16:09<C0d3r>I believe my current GoDaddy hosting has CentOS.
16:10<C0d3r>Not sure, but I think so.
16:10<EyePulp>C0d3r: did you have any specific setup questions or problems you've run into?
16:10<C0d3r>Which one is the best? I know it's based on opinion, but in terms of utility.
16:11<@akerl>distro-wise? whichever you're most comfortable with
16:11<C0d3r>Yes! On go daddy, I can't instal ANY programs or customize anything...
16:11<shaheed>go w/ debia
16:11<shaheed>n
16:11<C0d3r>I'm a real control freak :)
16:11<C0d3r>How's about ubuntu?
16:11<EyePulp>debian's a safe bet.
16:12<Peng>Ubuntu's also a safe bet.
16:12<shaheed>debian is a safer bet
16:12<@akerl>...
16:12<gparent>I call
16:12<C0d3r>I've heard some great things about ubuntu.
16:12<shaheed>debian is greater
16:12<C0d3r>I ran it on a virtual machine on my Mac.
16:12<@jchen>this is probably the worst place to start a distro flame war
16:12<@akerl>^
16:12<@jchen>C0d3r: just run whatever you feel you're comfortable with
16:12<EyePulp>ubuntu is built on top of debian, but doesn't add a lot for a server environment (in my understanding)
16:13<gparent>I can't live without resolvconf
16:13<C0d3r>Okay, I guess I'll go with debian.
16:13<EyePulp>C0d3r: at this point, I doubt you'll run into limits with either debian or ubuntu.
16:13<C0d3r>That's good to hear, shared hosting is a real pain for a web developer. Period.
16:13<EyePulp>gparent: seriously? resolvconf has your love?
16:14<gparent>nah, that wasn't serious. I use debian.
16:14*EyePulp has no sense of sarcase around ubuntu networking
16:14<EyePulp>*sarcasm
16:14<C0d3r>Oh, and I need some honest opinion on my current language.
16:14<gparent>English is fine
16:14<C0d3r>...
16:14<EyePulp>No -- Esperanto!
16:14<C0d3r>Programming.
16:15<gparent>I'd talk in Debian.
16:15<@mikegrb>lulz
16:15<C0d3r>lol.
16:15<EyePulp>Beep-boop apt get
16:15<@akerl>Oh, now we're gonna have a language flamewar?
16:15<EyePulp>Si
16:15<C0d3r>French?
16:15<MJCS->TCL!
16:15<gparent>I heard german takes long to compile
16:15<gparent>but English scales better
16:15<Ikaros>I'm not going to get involved
16:16<C0d3r>Hahaha, but seriously, I'm kind of undecided.
16:16<C0d3r>I'm currently using BASH CGIs to make web apps.
16:16<@akerl>What
16:16<shaheed>rr
16:16<@mikegrb>lulz
16:16<shaheed>lol*
16:17<C0d3r>I'm really experienced with BASH and I'm pretty comfortable.
16:17<@akerl>bash is not a language
16:17<C0d3r>I know.
16:17<MotoHoss>you mean shell? or language?
16:17<EyePulp>C0d3r: are you wanting to get better or be comfortable?
16:17<C0d3r>It's a scripting language.
16:17<@akerl>No
16:18<C0d3r>Anyway, I was able to code a contact form with it, so I guess it works. (egoscio.com/contact)
16:18<gparent>ive never done a bash injection before
16:19<C0d3r>That's great to hear *facepalm*
16:19<@akerl>C0d3r: Please tell me you don't really have your web server posting to CGI shell scripts
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16:19<C0d3r>What's wrong with CGI shell scripts?
16:20<@akerl>Mostly that it's no longer 1990
16:20*EyePulp senses a long discussion of dubious solutions.
16:20<gparent>are you running ntp
16:20<@mikegrb>lulz
16:20<C0d3r>Lol, I find it more than enough.
16:20<EyePulp>heh
16:20<rnowak>php doesn't sound so bad all of a sudden
16:20<gparent>lmfao
16:20<@mikegrb>lulz
16:20<shaheed>lol
16:20<@akerl>The Server Gods have given us actual langauges with sane types and exception handling and sanitization for accepting input from users
16:20<C0d3r>I used to make Bash scripts for Mac terminal, then I realized I can use it on the web.
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16:21<sandi>Hi, i am using cent os 7 and having a hard time Setting up Apache Virtual Hosts
16:21<staticsafe>this smells like a troll
16:21<sandi>can anyone help
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16:21<EyePulp>C0d3r: did you come for advice or to defend your decisions? CGI scripts are fine, but somewhat limited in their ease of use, scaling, and/or efficient use of resources.
16:21<sandi>may be some tutorial or something
16:21<@akerl>sandi: What issue are you having?
16:22<C0d3r>I have come here to talk to web experts. I'm sort of new to making web apps. I'm also really interested in Linode.
16:22<sandi>well, it seems the tutorial provided in linode isn't correct
16:22<@akerl>sandi: How so?
16:23<C0d3r>I think I might have to jump over to PHP or Ruby.
16:23<@akerl>I'd suggest not PHP
16:23<gparent>I use a NoApache NoSQL NoPHP stack
16:24<C0d3r>What's wrong with PHP? Wordpress is coded in it. I thought if I learn PHP, I might even be able to code wordpress themes.
16:24<Ikaros>Ha...
16:24<@mikegrb>lulz
16:24<@akerl>C0d3r: lol
16:24<sandi>every time i am using "sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/mydomain.com.conf" and try to save it, it won't save
16:24<@mikegrb>lulz
16:24<C0d3r>gparent: are you one of those Node.js activists or something? lol
16:24<@akerl>sandi: Why not?
16:24<EyePulp>C0d3r: if you want to write web apps, php isn't necessarily a good place to start these days. If you want to write WP plugins, then I think #php is fine place to go.
16:24<gparent>I use NoJS.
16:25<C0d3r>What do you suggest for web apps then?
16:25<EyePulp>C0d3r: it depends on what I'm trying to build, usually.
16:25<@akerl>Sinatra and Flask are nice, or Rails if you enjoy driving a freight train
16:25<sandi>aker1: i am doing the following
16:26<sandi>aker1: mkdir -p public_html/mydomain.com/{public,log,backup}
16:26<EyePulp>C0d3r: I like python/flask/django & some node.js, personally, but RoR has a lot of nice solutions
16:26<Eugene>gparent - so you're serving directly from CouchDB? :v
16:26<sandi>sudo chmod a+rx ~
16:26<sandi>sudo chmod -R a+rx ~/public_html
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16:27<@akerl>sandi: I imagine this is because you're on centos
16:27<gparent>Eugene: I prefer NoBED
16:28<MotoHoss>C0d3r, If you are not even familiar with a language to code and test in... the uphill struggle to set up your own server and 'admin' it effectively is a veritable mountain. Good luck. https://www.linode.com/docs/
16:28<C0d3r>Okay, thank yo.
16:28<EyePulp>MotoHoss: Ya gotta learn some time. =)
16:28<MotoHoss>I didn't say don't do it.. just gave a place to start! :)
16:29<sandi>aker1: i think so, but wondering if there is any help or tutorial
16:29<C0d3r>I was able to work things out just fine so far.
16:29<C0d3r>Didn't think I was heading the wrong direction.
16:29<EyePulp>C0d3r: you're also inside godaddy's very limited environment. That's a long way away from running your server.
16:29<MotoHoss>IF you are in Linode and you get one.. you are not in the wrong place.
16:29<MotoHoss>s/Linode/#Linode :)
16:29<EyePulp>C0d3r: get a node, and start messing around
16:29<@akerl>sandi: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/lamp-server-on-centos-6
16:30<C0d3r>I take that as good advice. I'm eager to start with node!
16:31<sandi>aker1: looks like a start, thanks man, much appreciated
16:32<C0d3r>some retard decided to post BS on my contact form :P
16:32<gparent>that's mean
16:32<@akerl>...
16:32<C0d3r>Ikr.
16:32<gparent>I bet that retard has never done a bash injection before.
16:32*akerl fires up wget
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16:34<C0d3r>I tried hacking it myself and I wasn't able to :P Anyone else wanna give it a shot?
16:34<C0d3r>Someone posted: "\"#''''''
16:34<C0d3r>Looks dangerous XD
16:34<gparent>so dangerous it didn't even show any errors
16:36*MotoHoss bows out that's bad juju.....
16:36<C0d3r>Is anyone against writing web apps entirely in JS?
16:36<gparent># Don't allow "/" changed to " ". Prevent hacker problems.
16:36<gparent>you're safe
16:36<@akerl>C0d3r: You mean with Node, or with no backend?
16:37<C0d3r>I'm talking both ways.
16:37<C0d3r>I'm thinking about maybe learning Node.s.
16:37<C0d3r>*.js
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16:37<C0d3r>I tried avoiding JS for so long... Might be time to face it.
16:38<gparent>im kinda sad that you're gonna force me to spend time on this
16:38<C0d3r>On what -_-
16:38<gparent>on putting up bash cgis on my lab so I can toy around with injecting it
16:39<EyePulp>C0d3r: There's a lot of fun you can have with Node & with js, but its asynchronous/callback based coding can be challenging when starting out. Just something to consider.
16:39<@mdc>^ That was difficult to wrap my head around coming from PHP and Java.
16:39<gparent>yolinux.com has great security advice though
16:40<C0d3r>gparent: I have not received any new requests or logs.
16:40<gparent>"One must filter the input to avoid cross site scripting. Filter out "<>&*?./" to avoid trouble from hackers. "
16:40<EyePulp>mdc: Also true with python/ruby or any typical request/response based synchronous code
16:40<@akerl>gparent: o.O
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16:40<C0d3r>I filtered $() and `
16:40<@mikegrb>lulz
16:40<@akerl>C0d3r: lol
16:40<gparent>only that?
16:40<@akerl>C0d3r: Filtering specific characters is pretty terrible
16:40<bob2>let's endanger the Internet
16:40<C0d3r>Technically, it can't execute anything.
16:40<gparent>bash_real_escape_string
16:40<@mikegrb>lulz
16:40<bob2>C0d3r, lol
16:41<bob2>C0d3r, is PHP your first language?
16:41<C0d3r>I never learned PHP :)
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16:41<EyePulp>less to unlearn!
16:41<C0d3r>BTW, if you can't hack my CGI app, I feel sorry for yo.
16:41<EyePulp>=)
16:41<bob2>et voila
16:41<C0d3r>I see PHP is disliked by web devs...
16:42<gparent>I launched netcat through tar and rsync
16:42<bob2>s/web //
16:42<gparent>that was more interesting
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16:42<C0d3r>foo, bar@a, baz
16:43<C0d3r>This is getting interesting....
16:43<@akerl>C0d3r: How much do you care about this system?
16:43<C0d3r>Which one?
16:43<@akerl>http://egoscio.com/contact/
16:43<gparent>the one you're letting us break into, right?
16:43<C0d3r>mm
16:43<C0d3r>Idk
16:44<C0d3r>I'm not letting yo break into it, yo did it yourselves.
16:44<gparent>I didnt
16:44<@akerl>You solicited
16:44<gparent>I wouldn't dare perform such illegal acts
16:44<gparent>I was trying to contact \"$"" from Linodia
16:44<gparent>he's really hard to reach
16:44<C0d3r>someone tried rm -rfing.
16:44<C0d3r>It failed :P
16:44<gparent>see I ask before I do that
16:44<gparent>so that wasn't me
16:44<EyePulp>C0d3r: If your idea of security relies on goading people on IRC to hack you... you may not like the results.
16:45<gparent>heh
16:45<C0d3r>I have no experience in Security, I just jumped in high school.
16:45<C0d3r>Wish I had some tech classes :(
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16:46<C0d3r>Somehow, it does not execute anything.
16:46<C0d3r>what's up with the retarded sleep..
16:47<@mikegrb>lulz
16:47<bob2>lol did that work
16:47<bob2>i mean
16:47<C0d3r>Okay, admit it, who's offing around :P
16:47<C0d3r>Nope.
16:47<bob2>did whatever someone else did work
16:47<C0d3r>Nope.
16:47<C0d3r>Nothing.
16:47<C0d3r>I see everything that comes in.
16:47<bob2>it must be totally bulletproof then
16:47<bob2>let's get google to replace everything with excellent hand coded php
16:48<C0d3r>That's good to hear XD
16:48<C0d3r>A freaking bash script that's bullet proof.
16:48<C0d3r>I coded her with care.
16:48<gparent>oh
16:48<@mikegrb>lulz
16:48<@akerl>lol
16:49<gparent>well I get a severity: minor I guess
16:49<bob2>severity: lolphp
16:49<gparent>nothing's validating for cross site request forgery unless im blind
16:49<C0d3r>How do put/post requests get passed through Node.js?
16:49<gparent>so any chucklefcuk with an html injection could spam your inbox with crap
16:49<EyePulp>You could always send abuse notices to godaddy to get his account suspended. Does that count as a hack?
16:50<@mikegrb>lulz
16:50<C0d3r>Lol! someone told me to buy a linode.
16:50<gparent>great advice
16:50<br4n>:D <3
16:50<C0d3r>Ikr
16:50<br4n>listen to go daddy support
16:50<br4n>the yare smart people
16:50<C0d3r>I'l do that soon.
16:50<C0d3r>Sure.
16:50<C0d3r>I'm really excited how nobody can pierce it open.
16:50<gparent>hey I just discovered a severe 0day
16:50<gparent>posting to 1337day.com as we speak
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16:51<C0d3r>gparent: I use Nogparrent
16:52<bonjurkes>have anyone ever used or heard of awstats here?
16:52<gparent>want the proof of concept
16:53<EyePulp>bonjurkes: sure. what about it?
16:53<C0d3r>I shut down the contact form due to disappointment.
16:53<gparent>wow rude
16:53<gparent>I was gonna hack it
16:53<bonjurkes>EyePulp as far as I remember, from cpanel times, it doesn't ask you to include any js code to your page to track. Did it had some kind of connection with apache?
16:53<gparent>now ill have to head home
16:54<br4n>s/disappointment/hacker terror
16:54<C0d3r>Exactly! xD
16:54<C0d3r>br4n: u use see?
16:54<C0d3r>*sed?
16:54<br4n>vim syntax is vimmy
16:55<C0d3r>Or is that common in other langs.
16:55<C0d3r>Oh
16:55<EyePulp>bonjurkes: I thought it basically just trolled your apache logs to develop the stats
16:55<bonjurkes>EyePulp that's an idea also, I don't really remember how it works but I liked the part about showing the referrer etc. info without adding any code to page
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16:55<C0d3r>Isin't it pretty easy to hack a site using Curl?
16:56<C0d3r>There is a --data arg.
16:56<C0d3r>Might be able to inject stuff.
16:56<gparent>curl is just an easy tool to pack POST request
16:56<gparent>(among others)
16:56<gparent>it doesn't "let you hack:
16:56<gparent>you can fire up burp or craft requests byte by byte in telnet if you want
16:56<bonjurkes>EyePulp yeah it was log analyzer, I do wonder if there is any nicer alternative for it
16:57<EyePulp>bonjurkes: google analytics, heap, mixpanel, chartbeat, etc
16:57<bonjurkes>EyePulp well the keypoint is I shouldnt any js code to page
16:57<C0d3r>Okay, I'm going to say by for now.
16:57<C0d3r>just wanted to conclude... Linode is great with what lang for web apps?
16:58<C0d3r>Sorry, I heard lots of answers earlier :P
16:59<EyePulp>C0d3r: you can use whatever you want. If you want opinions on how to write web apps, or what to write them with, this isn't the best place to get a definitive answer (because there isn't one)
17:00<C0d3r>Okay, is the basic plan going to be enough?
17:00<EyePulp>yep
17:00<C0d3r>Okay, thank's everyone!
17:00<EyePulp>yep
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17:01<bob2>ph33r
17:01<EyePulp>can't tell if trolling or serious.
17:02<EyePulp>(not you bob, the recently departed)
17:04<Peng>I was thinking that about an hour ago, and got distracted and stopped following the channel.
17:04<MotoHoss>Either way for me bad juju. I have enough of that on my own! :p
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17:21<Rudy>Hm. I might go back to one of my old keyboard/mouse pairs
17:21<Rudy>oops wrong chan
17:21<pronto>how dare you.
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17:29<Peng>There's no typing or clicking in #linode
17:34<auraka>Roll your own CDN in these simple 10 steps in which I will not provide documentation....
17:36<@akerl>auraka: That's the one with the single DNS server holding up the whole shebang, right? :P
17:38<auraka>yes...it was awesome...I saw your comments to him
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17:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:39<auraka>it pissed me off that they literally provided no technical documentation...it was like martha stuart showing you how to make a cake without telling you ingrediants, time or tempurature
17:41<Peng>What?
17:44<auraka>just someone wrote an article on how to deploy a CDN on DO...then didn't provide the actual technical documenation...and used a single nameserver in their example
17:44<trippeh>and when I tried to query it it was down ;)
17:44<auraka>basically it was "how to roll your own CDN and achieve stupid complexity combined with maximum downtime"
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17:58<staticsafe>...single DNS server?
17:58*akerl nods
17:59<bob2>did they typo 'web server' and write CDN by accident
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18:40<buhman>akerl: 'noobs' don't need upstream documentation--that will confuse them.
18:40<buhman>erm auraka ^
18:42<@akerl>noobs don't need to be frontloaded with upstream docs, but they shouldn't be handed a set of paper wings and then told they can fly off a skyscraper
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18:43<@akerl>an intro doc should be followed by caveats and further recommendations
18:43<buhman>nope
18:43<buhman>too complicated
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18:43<bob2>let's sell consulting services
18:43-!-Yaazkal [~yaazkal@cable201-232-197-221.epm.net.co] has joined #linode
18:44<pronto>bob2: CAAS (consulting as a service)
18:45<buhman>enterprise cloud consulting as a service.
18:45<buhman>now with synergy
18:45-!-openmedi [~martin@91-65-196-164-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:46<buhman>20% more.
18:46-!-buhman [~rewt@selene.buhman.org] has left #linode [Never is too long a word even for me…]
18:46<@akerl>o/
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19:00<aboutddos>anyone, here?
19:00<aboutddos>can I get ddos protection?
19:00<@akerl>No
19:00<aboutddos>any answer?
19:01<aboutddos>no ddos protection?
19:01<staticsafe>no
19:01<@akerl>Correct
19:01<aboutddos>why?
19:01<@akerl>Because
19:01<kyhwana>because linode don't offer a ddos protection service
19:01<blfr>because it's surprisingly hard
19:01<kyhwana>(I almost left out the protection bit)
19:01<aboutddos>omg
19:02<kyhwana>I'm sure you could buy some from cloudflare or somewhere similar
19:02<aboutddos>thanks
19:02<aboutddos>you are the admin?
19:02<aboutddos>linode admin?
19:02<kyhwana>No, akerl is
19:02<@akerl>I am a cube
19:02<aboutddos>oh
19:02<aboutddos>I see, now
19:02*kyhwana tries to put akerl in a sphere
19:03<aboutddos>thanks, have a nice day
19:03<aboutddos>bye
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19:03<kyhwana>...
19:04-!-about_windows [~oftc-webi@110.194.166.160] has joined #linode
19:04<about_windows>hello, admin
19:04<@akerl>...
19:04<shaheed>..
19:04<@mikegrb>lulz
19:04<shaheed>lol
19:04<about_windows>do you offer windows OS?
19:04<@mikegrb>lulz
19:04<shaheed>lol
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19:04<shaheed>loling irl
19:04<@akerl>about_windows: Read the website
19:04<about_windows>?
19:04<Nivex>OT: Delta IV launch new T0 of 23:28z http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx
19:04<@akerl>linode.com
19:04<about_windows>tell me direct , please
19:04<@akerl>No
19:05<about_windows>no windows, right?
19:05<@akerl>No
19:05<about_windows>only linux
19:05<about_windows>?
19:05<@akerl>Sure
19:05<Nivex>about_windows: the Lin in Linode is for Linux. NO WINDOWS.
19:05<about_windows>oh, i see. thanks, have a nice day
19:06<about_windows>another question
19:06*Nivex checks his calendar
19:06<about_windows>do you accept prepaid card?
19:06<Nivex>It isn't September.
19:06<about_windows>?
19:06<@akerl>about_windows: We accept credit cards. How you get money to the credit card is between you and the bank
19:07<twiz718>i have a large sum of money that i can wire you. i got it from my nigerian uncle. can i wire you a large sum of money about_windows?
19:07<about_windows>no windows (linode)
19:07<twiz718>its a reaaaaallly large sum of money
19:07<Nivex>about_windows: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments/ "We accept Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express."
19:07<about_windows>thanks, but you need ask FBI first
19:08<twiz718>:(
19:08<about_windows>IF I billing failed, can you refund me?
19:09<@akerl>If billing fails, we don't have anything to refund
19:09<about_windows>or i will not lose money?
19:09<@akerl>because we failed to take your money
19:09<about_windows>ok
19:09<about_windows>thanks
19:09<@mikegrb>lulz
19:09<shaheed>lol
19:09<twiz718>about_windows, out of curiosity, what country are you from?
19:09<linbot>New news from forum: Setting up E-mail server on Ubuntu 12. Prollums. in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11184&p=64272#p64272>
19:10<about_windows>prepaid debit card, do you accept? i mean: prepaid card
19:10<@akerl>We accept credit cards
19:11<about_windows>only?
19:11<@akerl>Yes
19:11<@akerl>If your debit card can be used as a credit card, great
19:11<twiz718>china
19:11<about_windows>I have paytoo virtual credit card , but it is a prepaid card, It's ok for linoe?
19:12<@akerl>...
19:12<Nivex>Does it have the Visa, MasterCard, Discover, or American Express logo on it?
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19:12<about_windows>visa
19:12<@akerl>Then yes
19:12<Nivex>Then you're good.
19:12<twiz718>but... can my nigerian uncle wire you a large sum of money to it?
19:12<about_windows>ask fbi first, are you sure?
19:12<twiz718>i don't know how to do that
19:13<about_windows>911
19:13<twiz718>http://911 or https://911 ?
19:13<about_windows>call
19:13<@akerl>!nexttopic
19:13<Nivex>twiz718: you're trying too hard
19:13<twiz718>:(
19:14<about_windows>for us, 911. for earth , SOS
19:14<about_windows>may be usefull
19:14<about_windows>admin
19:15<about_windows>thanks , have a nice day, bye
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19:16<twiz718>i got a scam/troll vibe off that person.
19:16-!-adnc [~atl@c-107-3-80-203.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:16<Nivex>I got more of a lazy vibe off them.
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19:22<James>!next
19:22<pronto>!pie
19:22<linbot>pronto: Point (0.39313215, 0.91324609) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435836 of 554659 (π ≈ 3.143091521096746 - 0.001498867506953). http://π.hoopycat.com/
19:22<pronto>o.o
19:22<James>!next!
19:22<linbot>Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
19:22<Solver>:)
19:22<pronto>i still have no idea what !pi is about though
19:23<MotoHoss>mmm pie.
19:23<James>pronto: http://π.hoopycat.com/
19:23<pronto>James: yeah; i've seen that
19:23<Solver>apple pie with icecream
19:23<pronto>i still dont understand why
19:23<James>The Monte Carlo π Approximator
19:23<James>lo
19:23<pronto>yeah
19:23<Eugene>What are the cool kids using for Egress monitoring on a network nowadays? Questions like "which laptop is spewing mail spam" and "what pr0n site are people visiting". I've used ntop in the past; Snort is the boss's choice(and what I'll probably go with)
19:23<pronto>i can read
19:23<MotoHoss>Peach.
19:23<pronto>but why
19:23<pronto>D:
19:24<Eugene>Why not?
19:24<pronto>because potato
19:24<pronto>on your paitio
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19:24<pronto>Eugene: i just let the NSA monitor all our egress's
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19:25<Eugene>That doesn't let us point out the no-gooders
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19:31<Solver>you say potato and I saw potato
19:31<Solver>ok I screwed it up. I'll slink away now...
19:31<Peng>I just use a knife to cut potatoes.
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20:11<MotoHoss>bake 'em, no knife requiered.
20:11<Eugene>Stick 'em in a stew
20:13<MotoHoss>roast em slow over ½ pecan, ½ mesquite....
20:16<pronto>½
20:19<MotoHoss>do most 'shared hosts' that allow shell access block outbound ssh? I am using one and I think that is the reason I can't make a connection out...
20:21<HoopyCat>MotoHoss: seems plausible. cuts down on abuse tickets.
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20:23<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:23<MotoHoss>darn it... just like kindergarten a few bad apples an nobody gets cake :(
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20:25<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:25<twiz718>cake
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20:26<@mikegrb>lulz
20:26<twiz718>lol cake
20:26<@mikegrb>lulz
20:26<twiz718>cake lol
20:26<shaheed>llol
20:26<shaheed>lol
20:26<MotoHoss>prolly saves other resources as well... just figured I'd ask. I pretty much skipped the shared hosting stuff as a customer til recently...
20:26<Solver>and bacon
20:26<pronto>feet are great ways to find thumb tacks that you have dropped(ouch)
20:26<Solver>no, mikegrb let me down :)
20:32<@mikegrb>mmm let down
20:32<Solver>hahaha :)
20:33<MotoHoss>just might be ½ bot....
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20:38<Jock>hi
20:38<Jock>I am interested in a windows vps to run applications that are windows based and i normally run on my mac
20:39<gparent>Linode offers only Linux VPS.
20:40<shaheed>what app is it Jock
20:40<Jock>ok that answered that
20:40-!-openmedi [~martin@91-65-196-164-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linode
20:40<Jock>i am running windows applications - diffferent ones
20:40<shaheed>kk
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20:40<kyhwana>Man, what is up with all the people asking if linode does windows lately?
20:41<MotoHoss>bait
20:41<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:41<James>mikegrb loves cake
20:41<gparent>Winode
20:41<Solver>winode
20:41<gparent>owned
20:41<Solver>snap! :)
20:41<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:41<James>and bacon
20:41<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
20:41<James>and bacon cake
20:41<James>mikegrb: does your lol script work in pm's?
20:42<James>inb4 mikegrb gets pm spammed
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20:48<dogwhisper>Is there a place where I can see the prices for how much extra storage is. yeahs ago before I moved away to another provider it used to be the case that you could customer create nodes with as much disk space as you wanted. Though now I can't find that page and I must pay and give a credit to my account to see it I assume
20:48<dogwhisper>Is there anyway to see it without?
20:49<HoopyCat>dogwhisper: it's no longer available -- it was cheaper to upgrade to a larger plan all along, so the option was removed
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20:51<dogwhisper>idk about all along, are you sure? if I remember correctly it much much cheaper than 2x the price
20:51<dogwhisper>but I could be wrong it was a while ago
20:52<gparent>it didn't take long that upgrading plans was a much better option
20:54<dogwhisper>oh ok thanks
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20:55<HoopyCat>dogwhisper: only random data snippet i can find is $10/mo for 10 GB of disk
20:56<HoopyCat>which sounds about right
21:06<linbot>New news from forum: can't connect to icecast2 from remote in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11194&p=64273#p64273>
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21:11<HoopyCat>http://www.healthcaredive.com/news/the-16-most-absurd-icd-10-codes/285737/ ... you know, those are the sorts of committees i wouldn't mind being on
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21:38<James>½_½
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21:43<MrPPS>smaller linode plans don't have lesser disk-access speed, do they?
21:43<MrPPS>just smaller disk space
21:44<Peng>Well, there would be more contention.
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21:44<James>MrPPS: i did 5 million iop's on a 1G linode
21:45<MrPPS>oh wow
21:45<@mikegrb>lulz
21:45<Zigara>lol
21:45<MrPPS>Peng: and yeah, I realise more contention, but not limited down?
21:45<James>nah, not limited
21:46<MrPPS>sweet
21:46<@akerl>We do not limit them. Physics may limit them
21:46<MrPPS>gotcha :)
21:46<Peng>You can get in trouble for "abusive" levels of usage.
21:46<MrPPS>because as it stands now, I'm on a 2048 plan, which has been great, but I'm nowhere near utilising it
21:46<James>akerl removing all the ssd's and replacing them with fdd's may limit them
21:46<MrPPS>so I'm considering downsizing
21:47<MrPPS>avg 100 blocks/sec according to linode graphs
21:47<James>:)
21:47<MrPPS>which is pretty small, in my opinion :)
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21:47<Peng>James: as akerl said, physics
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21:50<MrPPS>oh, what's this "imagize image" feature?
21:51<@akerl>https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11180
21:51<James>Peng: :P
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21:52<James>akerl: i can't use it, cos raw
21:52<James>lel
21:55<MrPPS>That's pretty sweet akerl - I was literally just hoping for this feature whilst in the shower this morning
21:55<MrPPS>And there it is
21:55<MrPPS>Fancy service you got, reading minds and all :p
21:57<James>digitalocean has had it for awhile
21:57<James>but i think they charge for it?
21:57<James>:s
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21:58<MrPPS>Nah, no charge afaik
21:58<James>o
21:58<MrPPS>I've not been charged for the 1 I had
21:58<James>they also allow snapshotting if you don't hit the "scrub data" checkbox
21:58<James>heh
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22:55<Eugene>Needs more Linode Bulk
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22:56<Eugene>WD Reds! 50x the disk space of SSDnodes!
22:56<zifnab>i'd totally be okay with a lindoe with shittier hardware and huge disk space
22:58<avongauss>There's just no pleasing everyone, I'd go the other way - give me the good hardware, be more stingy on the disk space.
22:59<zifnab>hehe
22:59<zifnab>i'd use both
22:59<zifnab>for different purposes
22:59<zifnab>keep my current linode doing what its doing, spin up another one to do backups
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23:02<avongauss>A storage oriented service would probably do well, but I imagine with the big players already intrenched in that market it would a cutt-throat type of business.
23:03<Peng>People have always wanted more storage from Linode. It doesn't have to be the best, just better than now, to satisfy *some* of said people.
23:06<Nivex>and yet I have unallocated space in my node, so whatev
23:08<zifnab>the lack of space keeps me using AWS for backups
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23:09<staticsafe>S3?
23:09<zifnab>yeah
23:09<zifnab>for work anyways
23:09<zifnab>personal stuff i have an external drive for
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23:15<MrPPS>zifnab: I've never used AWS for backups. What mode of access do they provide? Is it remote iSCSI, NFS, or similar? or is it just a remote rsync typye scenario?
23:15<MrPPS>type*
23:18<zifnab>dissappeared for a few
23:18<zifnab>i'm uisng s3fs
23:19<zifnab>realize we're using it for long term archiving, mostly text files/code
23:19<zifnab>http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/exploring-s3-based-filesystems-s3fs-and-s3backer
23:19<zifnab>it was set up long before i started
23:19<staticsafe>you can also use tools like duplicity to interface with S3 for the purposes of backups
23:20<zifnab>'git bundle' or 'git clone --mirror'
23:21<zifnab>imo we should migrate it all to glacier, cheaper
23:22<zifnab>thats one of those boxes i'm afraid to touch
23:23<zifnab>it 'just works', i'm okay with it 'just working'
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23:28<MrPPS>appreciate the input zifnab and staticsafe
23:28<MrPPS>shall check it out :)
23:29<Kellin>hey - a few months ago there was a push to get all nodes using IPV6 - anyone remember the site/tool recommended to hit your node with once configuration is over to check it?
23:29<Kellin>it responds to ping6 but I thought there was something more comprehensive
23:29<Peng>I'd just browse it from a web browser capable of IPv6. B)
23:30<staticsafe>Kellin: http://ip6.nl/ works for some simple tests
23:31<staticsafe>actually it just tests DNS
23:31<staticsafe>so nvm
23:32<dwfreed>there's http://ipv6-test.com/validate.php for HTTP
23:32<Peng>The only one I see in my #linode logs is http://validador.ipv6.br/
23:33<Peng>recent*
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23:35<Kellin>thanks staticsafe dwfreed and Peng
23:35<dwfreed>Kellin: also most of us regulars have several IPv6 enabled servers, if you want us to test other protocols
23:36<Kellin>I just wanted to be sure what I have up is working thus far =D
23:36<Kellin>no sense going forward if I'm not at base 1
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23:46<qty123>Hello, anybody know the additional data tranfer cost ? I buy a Linode 1G, it as 2Tb qty. If I over use the qty, know much cost per Gb ?
23:47<dwfreed>qty123: $0.10/GB
23:47<qty123>dwfreed, thanks. GB is real size or G bits ?
23:47<dwfreed>Gigabytes
23:48<dwfreed>2^30 bytes
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23:49<qty123>thanks ^^
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