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---Logopened Sun Feb 22 00:00:24 2015
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01:48<jos123>Hi
01:48<Peng>hello
01:49<jos123>I have been following this tutorial for converting a root filesystem from ext3 to ext4. But as per the tutorial, I am not able to remount the root filesystem readonly. It gives error "mount / is busy". https://www.debian-administration.org/article/643/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem
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01:52<jos123>Anybody to help ? Thanks.
01:52<retro|blah>jos123: You might have to drop to single-user mode in order to remount / as read-only, as the tutorial mentions
01:53<retro|blah>If I were you though, I would reboot to a rescue environment and deal with it there
01:54<jos123>I tried that too, but gives the same error. Retro|blah please read it once again. The booting to single-user mode comes next to remounting.
01:54<Peng>rescue mode is really easy
01:54<Peng>and far less crazy
01:55<jos123>Do you guys mean Recovery Mode in debian , where the kernel parameter is "single" ?
01:55<virtual>'rescue mode' in linode.
01:55<retro|blah>jos123: I don't think I'm the one who needs to read that page again
01:55<virtual>and on debian, I don't think that's considered recover mode either (that's just single user mode)
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01:59<Peng>jos123: Linode's rescue m.........
02:04<arlen>ode
02:07<dcraig>arsupial
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02:28<dcraig>wtf davidw
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02:29<dcraig>name stealer.
02:33<Peng>wat
02:33<dcraig>davidw and I have the same first name and last initial
02:33<dcraig>creeped me out
02:33<dcraig>sorry
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02:40<Peng>....
02:41<Peng>I always thought you were Daniel Craig
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03:04<dcraig>you can call me whatever you like
03:06<avenj>I typically refer to you as boobookittyfuck, is that cool or?
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03:23<satyam>Hello
03:23<satyam>Hi guys hope u r doing good
03:24<satyam>I'm not :(( anyone to help?
03:24<satyam>Hulooooooooooooooooooooo
03:24<satyam>??????????????????????/
03:26<satyam>jfdkj
03:26<satyam>dkjfdfhsjkfhdjshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhd
03:26<satyam>sdfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
03:26<virtual>satyam: Just ask your question.
03:26<Peng>what the hell shut up
03:26<satyam>huloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
03:26<virtual>We don't all respond to people who just say 'hello'.
03:27<satyam>oh I'm extremely sry
03:27<virtual>(imagine 460 people replying to say 'hello')...
03:27<Peng>virtual: Well, I would've, but I was watching Scandal.
03:27<avenj>virtual: my logs would appreciate it, I have way too much disk space
03:27<satyam>Sorry :(
03:28<satyam>I wanted to setup a subdomain
03:28<virtual>satyam: what's up?
03:28<satyam>i did everything i had to
03:28<satyam>but its showing 404 error
03:28<satyam>http://cloud.webscientists.co
03:28<virtual>cheeky response: You haven't done everything you have to.
03:28<virtual>Hmm.
03:28<satyam>haha, I did whatever i think shud be done
03:29<Peng>Well, you think you did. Clearly something went wrong.
03:29<virtual>Did you follow any guides to do this?
03:29<satyam>yes , many
03:29<satyam>i added A record to dns manager
03:29<satyam>then created a new virtual host
03:29<satyam>directed to the directory
03:30<virtual>Sounds like the right sort of steps.
03:30<virtual>Have you got error logging enabled?
03:30<satyam>Yes but no new entry
03:30<virtual>Have you checked the other virtual hosts, to make sure it's not getting the error logging in their logs?
03:31<satyam>hows that possible when i have defined the directory for error logs
03:31<satyam>okY another things which is happening is that i set up another site and i am unable to access it through www
03:32<virtual>It's just something to check. No worries. How about ... is there actually an index.html, or some other sort of file i there?
03:32<virtual>'file in there'.
03:32<satyam>yes i have index.html as well as index.php inside
03:32<arlen>did you restart nginx/apache
03:32<satyam>yes i did restart apache
03:32<satyam>the page shows The requested URL / was not found on this server.
03:33<virtual>try 'apache2ctl configtest', just in case it shows anything
03:33<virtual>but I doubt it will, if the server is restarted fine.
03:34<satyam>it says SYNTAX OK
03:34<virtual>and just to make sure, ifconfig | grep 104.237.145.98 - shows 1 line?
03:35<satyam>sorry? didnt get u what shud i type in
03:35<satyam>?
03:35<virtual>'ifconfig | grep 104.237.145.98'
03:36<satyam>1 line
03:36<satyam>shows 1 line only
03:36<virtual>So, I think the vrtual host is going to your 'default' virtual host, because if you browse to your IP, it has the same error.
03:37<virtual>Have you done 'a2ensite cloud.webscientists.co'?
03:37<virtual>(assuming that's what you called your config on your server)
03:37<virtual>better still, before yu do that...
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03:37<virtual>ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ - check for yourself that that looks correct.
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03:38<satyam>yes i did. I have other sites hosted on this server and they are working fine. If it was going to default host then other sites would have been stopped working too
03:38<satyam>yup this looks correct
03:38<virtual>It looks like the default to me - check out http://104.237.145.98
03:38<virtual>Same error, see.
03:39<virtual>Maybe another vhost in there is incorrect, and is acting as default.
03:39<satyam>ok just a minute, does this all has something to do with reverse DNS?
03:39<virtual>Tr the first one in your 'ls' listing above.
03:39<virtual>No, nothing to do with reverse dns.
03:39<satyam>first one?
03:40<virtual>yeah, the first entry in your directory where you did ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
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03:40<satyam>sry but i am confused
03:40<satyam>what do i need to do now
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03:42<virtual>Umm, if someone else has a better way to check the vhosts, feel free to chime in. I can get things working on my own systems ;)
03:42<satyam>i did check every vhost entry and they are fine
03:42<satyam>:(
03:43<virtual>try this, see what the output looks like, check it looks sane?
03:43<virtual>apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS | grep cloud.webscientists.co
03:44<virtual>If it's just one line, is it OK to paste in here?
03:44<satyam>its - https://bpaste.net/show/81c5b1b9188c
03:44<virtual>thanks
03:45<virtual>oh, OK. remove the grep part i.e. just 'apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS'. Probably don't want to paste the output. Just check it over for yourself.
03:45<virtual>That error doesn't look good.
03:46<satyam>it shows the previous error + 127.0.1.1 (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf:1)
03:47<satyam>virtual? any clue what's happenin to this ?
03:48<virtual>I find it interesting that cloud.webscientist.co is not showint up.
03:48<virtual>That makes it sound like you didn't do a2ensite cloud.webscientists.co
03:48<satyam>its cloud.webscientists.co
03:48<virtual>Or if you did, it's not in the sites-enabled directory.
03:48<virtual>That grep we just did (the DUMP_VHOSTS) one should have had one line.
03:49<satyam>u missed n "s"
03:49<virtual>not in the grep line.
03:49<satyam>so what does this mean now
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03:49<virtual>That you need to check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and find out where your cloud.webscientists.co vhost actually is.
03:50<virtual>Perhaps if you go into that dir and just do "grep cloud.webscientists.co *", does it come up with anything?
03:50<virtual>No need to paste (yet), if it does.
03:51<satyam>okay wait, u probably wanna kill me
03:51<virtual>hahaha
03:52<satyam>sry i was typing this command in wrong terminal windows
03:52<satyam>window*
03:52<virtual>You need pain. :)
03:52<satyam>really sry just a sec
03:53<satyam>ok by typing this command it shows all vhost n dre clias
03:53<virtual>sorry, I didn't quite follow the end of your sentence.
03:54<satyam>check this output
03:54<satyam>https://bpaste.net/show/33e89f50b2a0
03:55<virtual>hmm, okay, so your cloud.webscientists.co is defaul. ;)
03:55<virtual>default.
03:55<satyam>so what shud i do now sir
03:55<virtual>I made my own default (labelled 000-default, not sure if that is a dumb way of doing it).
03:56<virtual>Just to help me in diagnose things. One sec.
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03:57<virtual>Try something like this, and put a 'you've hit the default site' in the index.html
03:57<virtual>https://bpaste.net/show/b8a76d1bed44
03:58<virtual>I named it 000-default, to bring it to the first of the vhosts.
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03:59<satyam>virtual?
03:59<satyam>i got disconnected
03:59<satyam>r u dre
03:59<virtual>oh dear.
03:59<virtual>Wat was the last thing you saw?
03:59<virtual>But I'm not Dr Dre.
03:59<satyam>that u made ur own 000-default
03:59<virtual>ah, I pasted you my config.
03:59<satyam>haha
03:59<virtual>https://bpaste.net/show/b8a76d1bed44
04:00<virtual>name the file 000-default (and make sure you create the docroot, etc.
04:00<virtual>And create an index.html that just says 'you've hit the default' or something.
04:00<satyam>but y r we doing this? now if i want to add any new virtual host then would the same issue prevail
04:00<satyam>?
04:01<virtual>I just want to get rid of any confusion by creating a default site that actually 'works'.
04:01<virtual>Plus, it'll help you in the long run.
04:01<satyam>Okay
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04:29<lakridserne>Morning peeps & Linodeans
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05:48<keane>hi
05:48<keane>want to ask if Linode offers free snapshot backups with their cloudhosting plans
05:49<keane>anybody knows?
05:49<lakridserne>keane: Nope, but they do have a paid backup solution that cost 25 % of the plan
05:49<lakridserne>price
05:51-!-davel_ is now known as davel
05:54<keane>ok thanks
05:54<lakridserne>https://www.linode.com/backups/
06:03<synapt>Yay for attempting to generate a 4096-bit DH on a linode
06:03<synapt>>.>
06:06<GvJordan>^_^
06:07<synapt>I'm beginning to think perhaps I should CTRL^C this thing and try to generate it locally
06:07<synapt>lol
06:07<synapt>I knew it would take a bit but...
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06:09<Peng>synapt: Or Ctrl+C it and copy and paste hte numbers from RFC 3526.
06:09<Peng>:\
06:10<synapt>aw
06:10<synapt>where's the fun in that
06:10<synapt>:P
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06:10<synapt>can't a guy try to just try sometimes :(
06:14<Peng>The RFC 3526 groups also lend themselves to faster implementations.
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06:20<Furowu>There customer service at it?
06:21<Peng>!official
06:23<Furowu>When can I have a service in Tokyo?
06:25<dwfreed>Tokyo is sold out for the time being; if you open a ticket, staff can add you to the waiting list
06:25<Furowu>About what time?
06:25<dwfreed>it's impossible to say
06:26<Furowu>I need advice, because I'm in China.
06:26<dwfreed>try fremont
06:28<Furowu>There IP address? I try to use the PING command.
06:29<dwfreed>speedtest.fremont.linode.com
06:29<Furowu>First thank you.
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06:46<jasodn_d>hey
06:47<jasodn_d>i have a question, I have multiple users and i want them all to work in one directory called /etc/dev i want to them using sftp
06:47<jasodn_d>so i thought adding a group called dev add the users to the dev group and jail the group
06:47<jasodn_d>into that directory
06:49<jasodn_d>help?
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07:59<synapt>Peng: Ended up a waste of time anyways, Internet explorer has nearly 0 support for 4096 bit DH and 521 bit ECDH :P
07:59<Peng>wat
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08:00<synapt>Yeah, by implementing 4096 bit DH and 521 bit ECDH, I broke support for everything but IE11 on Windows 10
08:00<synapt>lol
08:00<synapt>Looks like IE11 on 8.1 might work too
08:00<Peng>What do earlier IEs support?
08:00<synapt>but any IE 8-10 on Vista through 8.0 apparently fails the cipher exchange
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08:00<Peng>I would've assumed 4096-bit DH was about as universal as 2048-bit.
08:00<synapt>Not sure, I'm switching to a 2048 bit DH at least
08:01<Peng>:(
08:01<synapt>We'll see I guess if it's either the 4096-bit DH or the 521-bit ECDH that's doing it
08:03<Peng>Both of those things make me cringe, BTW. 521-bit ECDH is absurdly over-strong and also slow, and 4096-bit DH is somewhat over-strong and also slow.
08:04<synapt>I know, just pissing with stuff, didn't expect to see the client fail-rate I did though just from those
08:04*Peng nods
08:04<synapt>Hrm, strange
08:04<synapt>2048-bit still won't work
08:04<synapt>maybe it's the 521-bit ECDH then
08:04<Peng>If you're using DH you're not using ECDH.
08:04<Peng>They're mutually exclusive..
08:05<synapt>I'm running through qualy's tests, I can't believe that IE8-11 on Windows 7 doesn't even support 2048-bit DH
08:05<synapt>that would be kinda absurd
08:06<Peng>it would be absurd.
08:06<Peng>synapt: SSL Labs reports most IE versions as only supporting P-256 and P-384.
08:06<synapt>Yeah I just saw
08:06<Peng>synapt: Oddly they say IE 7/Vista supports P-521, but none of the others...
08:06<synapt>oh shit
08:06<synapt>it does
08:06<synapt>lol
08:06<synapt>wat
08:07<synapt>I don't even...
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08:08<Peng>Probably they rewrote optimized ECC routines at some point in the last 10 years and decided to drop it then.
08:08<synapt>leave it up to MS, lol
08:09<synapt>Oh well, guess secp384r1 it is :P
08:10<Peng>P-521 is cute but absurdly overly strong.
08:11<synapt>yeah well, maybe I'm building the avengers of https
08:11<Peng>(Though I read recently that OpenSSL's P-521 code is actually faster than their P-384 code because P-384 was such a nightmare they didn't optimize it as much.)
08:11<synapt>and I want absurdly overly strong
08:11<synapt>:P
08:11<synapt>But yeah that seemed to do it
08:11<synapt>It was the 521-bit ECDH
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08:44<trippeh>Peng: Naaa, the NSA probably just told them it was too strong for them to easily decrypt *wink*
08:55<+linbot>New news from forum: external storage on a linode in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11606&p=66126#p66126>
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10:24<peleg>I need servers for highly extensive math computations (not bitcoin mining or anything of this flavour). I was wondering what is the policy of Linode regarding that; for example, do you allow using all N cores with 100% 24/7? I need more or less 500 cores, for a start, in linodes of 4 cores each (I need only computation, not memory or ssd)
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10:50<Meyer^>peleg: https://www.linode.com/tos might be of interest. Check number 3
10:51<Meyer^>peleg: But I suggest you open a support ticket and take a discussion with them
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11:46<peleg>Meyer^: thanks, I'll read and create a ticket.
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12:01<gparent>peleg: if you need to hog all of the CPU, it would be best to use a dedicated server
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12:06<Candice>network problems on dallas860?
12:08<arlen>mtr?
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12:53<peleg>gparent: I'm considering that. But prices are in general much higher.
12:53<gparent>yes, of course
12:54<gparent>I don`t know what kind of usage you wanna do, but if it's in the "Mostly all of the hypervisor, all of the time" kind, the kind that will get you ticketed, then you'll want a dedi.
12:54<gparent>Sometimes though people overestimate their usage vs. how much Linode can provide, since they have pretty good hardware
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12:55<peleg>gparent: thanks for the advice. In fact, I can't be sure how much I will have to use "most of the time", but I want to be able to guarantee full capabilities on peaks of calculations.
12:55<peleg>Peaks can last hours, in which I'll need about 100%.
12:55<gparent>you can't guarantee full capabilities unless you own the whole machine :P
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13:28<julian22>hello, I have a question about vsftpd I would like to chroot certain user to /var/www and want them to be able to create/edit/delete files right now they are in their own directories how am I able to accomplish this?
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13:29<@caker>do you really need ftp? sftp is such a better choice, you get it already with sshd, and sshd supports chroots
13:30<julian22>where can I download sshd
13:30<@caker>It's already installed and running -- it's what you ssh into when you ssh into your Linode
13:31<julian22>How would I accomplish the task with sshd
13:33<@caker>Make sure the line "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" is uncommented in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config <-- that enables sftp
13:33<@caker>and for the chroot stuff, read https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu
13:34<dwfreed>of note, you'll end up changing that Subsystem line to use internal-sftp as part of the chroot stuff
13:34<@caker>ah, mybad - yeah, that doc will help ya
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13:35<julian22>Yea I had problems with the permissions, so user Z could create and edit files but user X couldnt edit Z's files. They are in the same group though
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13:36<julian22>Any ideas how to fix that?
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13:38<julian22>I am trying to setup like a devlopment evironment for multiple users in a specific folder, they must be chrooted in that folder
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13:53<buhman>julian22: that idea will lead to inevitable pain
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13:54<buhman>julian22: multiple users modifying the same file simultaneously, for example.
13:54<julian22>well, how would I do it? What would you recommend
13:54<buhman>I suggest you not do that.
13:54<julian22>I will use git for that
13:54<buhman>optimal conclusion
13:54<julian22>It's just that I want all of them to be able to grab some files from the server
13:55<julian22>minor changes
13:55<HoopyCat>git is a good way to handle that, indeed
13:55<buhman>julian22: so let them do that.
13:55<HoopyCat>something like gitolite might do the trick
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13:56<julian22>With sshd I get the error: Server unexpectedly closed network connection
13:57<julian22>I bet it's because of the permissions, root can login without problems
13:58<dwfreed>check /var/log/auth.log
13:58<julian22>fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory
13:59<buhman>sounds like you should fix that
13:59<julian22>The user is in the group dev
14:00<julian22>and the ownership of the folder is root:dev
14:00<julian22>so that should be fine I think?
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14:00<buhman>clearly whatever you are doing is not fine
14:00<buhman>realize the chroot directory is a new root directory
14:00<buhman>and that you can chdir after chroot
14:01<dwfreed>the user logging in cannot have any write access via any method to the chroot directory
14:01<julian22>What do you recommend?
14:01<buhman>julian22: ^ man sshd_config
14:02<buhman>the first paragraph of "ChrootDirectory" explains this
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14:03<julian22>What do you recommend me to do when I want multiple users to work only in that directory
14:04<julian22>I am confused
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14:05<HoopyCat>julian22: use something like git so that users can have their own local copy of the data, and can merge their changes in
14:07<julian22>I want multiple users in a directory
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14:08<julian22>I am used to directadmin, where you can jail a user in a folder
14:08<julian22>I am trying to acomplish something like that
14:15<julian22>So there is no way to accompish what I want?
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14:17<HoopyCat>no way that i know of... i usually just jump straight to using a DVCS if there's going to be multiple people working on something
14:18<julian22>hmmmm... I just wanted to lock the users inside a folder
14:18<dcraig>and then poke them with little sticks
14:18<julian22>because I don't want them to go into my root dir
14:19<HoopyCat>sshd has a chroot capability, which sftp can use... i think gitolite, et al, probably also use it? (been awhile)
14:20<dcraig>what top secret stuff is in the root dir?
14:21*zifnab points at gresec
14:21<zifnab>not sure if that kernel is still even available
14:21<zifnab>or, you know, even better - selinux
14:22<julian22>My knowledge of debian is limited
14:22<julian22>too bad
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14:22<zifnab>https://major.io/2013/07/05/confine-untrusted-users-including-your-children-with-selinux/
14:22<zifnab>thats fedora though
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14:23<dcraig>isn't the ability to control which users can use sudo already built into the OS?
14:23<zifnab>not sure how i ttranslates to ubuntu, selinux is a pain in the ass
14:23<dcraig>and do you really need to prevent users from using networking?
14:24<dcraig>I don't understand
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14:27<Ash__>Hi
14:28<Ash__>Do you get to choose what DC your VPS is in?
14:28<retro|blah>Yes.
14:28<Ash__>and do you only get billed for the time you have it running or is there a minimum charge?
14:29<retro|blah>You are billed for the time that the VPS is on your account, whether it's running or not
14:29<Ash__>so if i stop it and delete it then create a new one the next day I dont get billed?
14:30<Ash__>is there current capacity in the london site?
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14:35<zifnab>dcraig: school's dev server had that set up on purpose, kept people from pirating shit on it
14:35<zifnab>i didn't set that part up, i hated it though - it somehow let you use certain ports
14:35<zifnab>so, you know, http proxy worked fine
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14:44<julian22>okay so now I have 2 users which are in the same group they both created a file
14:44<julian22>but the users cant edit eachothers files even though they are in the same group
14:44<julian22>how would I fix that?
14:44<@jfred>make sure the group ownership of the file is set to that group
14:45<@caker>what are the permissions and ownerships on the file?
14:45<julian22>so I have to create a user and a group with the same name
14:47<@jfred>nope - a file is owned by both a user and a group. you can set permissions for what the user can do, what the group can do, and what everyone else can do
14:47<@jfred>https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/linux-users-and-groups
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14:49<julian22>jfred when a users creates a file how do i make it so the owner is the group
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14:54<buhman>setgid; man 1 newgrp
14:54<buhman>julian22: ^
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14:55<julian22>I really like how directadmin is doing it, you can create multiple ftp users and lock them in a directory and they can edit/remove/read each others files. That's basically what I am trying to accomplish...
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15:00<julian22>Does anyone how I can acomplish that task manually?
15:00<arlen>yes
15:01<arlen>read everything above ^
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15:01<@jfred>buhman: After looking this up I feel like BSD's behavior makes more sense tbh
15:01<buhman>wat
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15:02<@jfred>setgid behavior on directories is the default
15:02<buhman>O.o
15:02<buhman>jfred: freebsd works the same way
15:02<buhman>jfred: man newgrp
15:03<buhman>(hint: you start with your primary group gid)
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15:03<@jfred>I'm aware of how Linux handles it :P
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15:06<Ash__>anyone know how long the signup process takes
15:07<Kyhwana>Ash__: should be instant unless they need to review your account (which should be <24 hours)
15:09<Ash__>ah damn "Your account is currently being reviewed."
15:09<Ash__>i really needed it quickly
15:10<dcraig>anyone with multiple underscores in their username is suspicious...
15:12<Ash__>lol
15:12<Ash__>webirc what can i say
15:12<Ash__>i bet its having issues because of my location
15:13<dcraig>mars?
15:14<buhman>Ash__: you're welcome
15:15<Ash__>huh?
15:15<Ash__>buhman: ?
15:15*trippeh guesses buhman just approved the account
15:16<Ash__>woot, maybe your right!
15:16<Ash__>email ftw
15:16*trippeh goes back into hiding
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15:17<dcraig>trippeh, you're welcome
15:17<Ash__>thanks guys
15:23<Ash__>ohhh.... *feels stupid* goto turn on the VM before u can use it :D
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15:37<julian22>my next question is
15:38<julian22>when a user creates a file the permiission is 644 but I would like it to be 755 every time the users creates or moves a file
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15:41<@caker>julian22: umask
15:42<@caker>~# /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -h
15:42<@caker>usage: sftp-server [-ehR] [-f log_facility] [-l log_level] [-u umask]
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15:43<@caker>julian22: https://www.google.com/search?q=sftp+umask
15:44<julian22>I have been working all day just setting the permission for some users
15:44<julian22>still couldnt manage to do that
15:44<julian22>ill go off now. thanks though
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15:45<sanyofan>hey, when install magento on ubuntu 12.0, at last step point: ./pear mage-setup . -------- reply: -bash: ./pear No such file or directory i tried to search for any tip to solve it, all failed. any one can give some hints? thanks!
15:45<@caker>is there a file called 'pear' in your cwd?
15:46<sanyofan>yes. usr/bin
15:46<@caker>no ... ls -l pear <--
15:46<sanyofan>which pear ---- /usr/bin/pear
15:46<HoopyCat>try just doing "pear mage-setup ."
15:46<sanyofan>Sorry?
15:47<HoopyCat>./pear means the file named 'pear' in the directory '.'
15:47<@caker>leave out the './'
15:47<sanyofan>if leave, then say maeg-setup is not valid
15:48<@caker>what is the first argument of pear expecting?
15:48<sanyofan>pear mage-setup . ------ 'mage-setup' is not valid.
15:50<sanyofan>No such file or directory is the first one.
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17:56<Eugene>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PX8BC2
17:56<Eugene>Oh, hrm.
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18:09<Ikaros>!wx kdfw
18:09<+linbot>Ikaros: [metar] OBS at KDFW: 33.8F/01C, visibility 1 miles, wind 20.71 mph, chill 22.15F (altimeter: 30.31) [KDFW 222253Z 35018KT 1 3/4SM +RA BR BKN009 OVC014 01/00 A3031 RMK AO2 PK WND 03027/2215 PRESRR SLP266 P0022 T00110000]
18:09<Ikaros>That about to switch over I think.
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18:19<RyanA__>I need to speak with a linode person
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18:20<Woet>RyanA__: you better contact them instead of community IRC then
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18:26<Kyhwana>RyanA__: why?
18:32*lakridserne is waiting for his Linode to finish
18:32<lakridserne>not often I get to say that
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18:53<+linbot>viva la revolution!
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18:59*zifnab murders drussell with a grape
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19:59<+linbot>New news from forum: Proxmox vs Xenserver.org - Thoughts? in /dev/random <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11608&p=66127#p66127>
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20:47<Eugene>^ I dunno if vonskippy is on IRC, but I'd suggest the vSphere Essentials Kit. $560 buys you 3 hosts + vCenter
20:53<akerl>I feel like if vonskippy were on IRC, you'd know it, because he'd be the one making me look polite and reasonable
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20:56<HoopyCat>akerl: he was on IRC for awhile
20:57<HoopyCat>akerl: i think his nick starts with an "l" and rhymes with "earner" iirc
20:57<akerl>hah
20:57<arlen>that guy
20:58<akerl>vonskippy is actually the prototype of a project management and collaboration AI
20:58<akerl>Due to natural language parsing bugs, he mostly just tells you that your ideas are bad and you should feel bad, rather than tracking your collab
21:13<Woet>akerl: your ideas are bad and you should feel bad
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21:18<dcraig>I loved it
21:23<zifnab>gah, IT guy at the last place i worked was lik ethat
21:23<zifnab>wasn't his idea? terrible idea then
21:24<dcraig>maybe the other ideas actually are terrible
21:25<virtual>zifnab: I think we've all worked with folk like that.
21:25<zifnab>dcraig: honestly his ideas were pretty terrible sometimes
21:26<zifnab>i'm still cleaning up the acl mess he set up (contract moved/i moved with it)
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21:26<zifnab>two options in cisco nexus land - use an acl per vlan, or put each vlan in a vrf and nullroute all local addresses, import the gateway
21:26<zifnab>A is easy, B is kinda difficult, but B works a million times better than A, and is much cleaner/faster
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22:18<virtual>zifnab: I haven't used nexus' enough to know that, that's a good tip, thanks. :)
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22:19<zifnab>virtual: np, route lookups are an order of magnitude faster than acls
22:19<zifnab>assumign you're actually using the layer3 portion (you should be)
22:19<virtual>So you'd only do those if you were blocking everything to the IP, or ... ?
22:19<zifnab>so what we have setup: the nexus is the gateway for individual internal vlans
22:19<zifnab>with a default route of our ASAs
22:20<zifnab>the issue there is, how do you keep customers from talking to each other's internal shit, without putting more load on the ASAs?
22:20<zifnab>(some things, like dhcp, all customers need to be able to see, and if it goes through the ASA, that can end up being a ton of wasted resources)
22:20<virtual><cisco> You buy bigger ASAs, duh.
22:20<zifnab>lol, not really
22:20<virtual>;)
22:20<zifnab>ours do 20gbit throughput
22:20<zifnab>with inspection
22:20<virtual>5585-x SSP20?
22:21<zifnab>yup
22:21<zifnab>so, the 'solution' on the nxus
22:21<zifnab>you either do an ACL for each SVI
22:21<virtual>I like the 5585 models... they did good there.
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22:21<zifnab>OR, you drop every SVI in its own VRF, nullroute all rfc1918 addresses, then import the routes you want
22:21<zifnab>most specific route wins
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22:22<virtual>of course.
22:22<zifnab>goes from 2 ACls per customer to 1 VRF with some import/export magic
22:22<virtual>So your customers can still talk to each other if they want - via the ASA?
22:22<zifnab>nah, you just import routes on each vrf
22:22<zifnab>so you're either importing 0.0.0.0 from global, or importing another rfc1918 from another vrf
22:24<zifnab>our ASAs really don't do much, they deal with NAT, packet inspection, and port forwarding
22:24<zifnab>we were going to just drop everyone's gateway on the ASA instead of the nexus, until we started looking at traffic
22:24<zifnab>we would have broken the 20gbit
22:24<virtual>heh
22:25<zifnab>you can also import/export specific IPs, if they care that much
22:25<virtual>Yeah, we had that issue with one of our network designs. To be honest, I don't think irewalling in that kind of platform isscalable.
22:25<zifnab>most of them don't
22:25<zifnab>yeah
22:25<zifnab>there's some stuff that still goes through the ASA - DNS is one of them
22:25<zifnab>mostly DMZ type things
22:25<virtual>They need to create a 'virtual' ASA product (I know had a beta one internally, not sure if it's been released yet?)
22:26<zifnab>well, they have asa cards for the asr/nexus
22:26<virtual>nah, that's not the same.
22:26<virtual>you can't just run up another ASA.
22:26<zifnab>i'm trying to get out of network land
22:26<zifnab>slowly
22:27<zifnab>taking a network job hopefully over in seattle, probably stick around for a year or so
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22:27<zifnab>then hopefully i'll hit the 'related experience' portion for most software dev jobs
22:27<virtual>Funny, most software devs I've met only have software dev experience, which can hurt.
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22:28<zifnab>its a long story with me
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22:28<zifnab>i'm not going into year 8 of a bachelors
22:28<zifnab>did 2 full time in CS, 2 full time in network stuff, then on year 3 of part time CS
22:29<virtual>That's quite a lot of study.
22:29<zifnab>way too much, i'm burnt out
22:29<zifnab>19 credits left, figure i'll finish it online somewhere
22:29<virtual>I have no degree. I sometimes wonder how different life might have been if I had gone. :)
22:30<zifnab>i'm tired of full time work and part time school, figured full time work elsewhere until i can afford to take a 6 month break to finish school would be better
22:30<virtual>Ah, I couldn't imagine doing any of my jobs *and* studying at the same time.
22:32<zifnab>having some stomach issues that are more than likely caused by too much stress, so i'm taking a break
22:37<virtual>yuck, I actually think I know how tat feels. Yes, take a break!
22:37<zifnab>new place will hopefully be really fun
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22:38<virtual>Good luck, hope it actually comes through well for ou.
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23:36<@drussell>zifnab: Really? With a grape? Are you tryna say you're gonna poison wine and send it to me? :P
23:36<zifnab>lol
23:36<zifnab>its a script i've been working on
23:36<zifnab>/me $action $user $action2 $fruit
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23:38<akerl>You may want to tell your script that "with a" isn't an action
23:38<zifnab>er, its a poorly worded thing htere
23:38<akerl>:P
23:38<zifnab>they're tied together, its a tuple
23:38<Ikaros>Apparently so.
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23:38<zifnab>(action, words-that-make-it-make-sense)
23:39<Ikaros>Also I am apparently stuck at home now.
23:39<zifnab>punches/with a, pokes/in the eye, etc
23:39<zifnab>snow?
23:39<Ikaros>Ice.
23:39<zifnab>oO
23:39<zifnab>i love my studded tires
23:39<@drussell>zifnab: Prepositions? :p
23:39<zifnab>drussell: not an english major, don't care :P
23:39<zifnab>words
23:39<Ikaros>We've had a 'Winter Storm Warning' in place since 4 PM today into 6 PM Monday for sleet/freezing rain.
23:40<zifnab>montana has one of those a year
23:40<zifnab>it starts in october, and ends in may (or june)
23:40<Ikaros>I was planning on a store trip before this all kicked in
23:40<Ikaros>But
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23:40<Ikaros>Looks like I was too late.
23:40<Ikaros>:(
23:40<zifnab>where is this magical place
23:40<zifnab>where snow makes you not go places
23:40*Ikaros facepalms
23:40<Ikaros>You seriously forgot where I am
23:41<zifnab>i don't think i ever knew
23:41<zifnab>or i wasn't paying attention
23:41<rnowak>the place where one talks about the weather all the time
23:41<zifnab>florida?
23:41<rnowak>no idea, the place where Ikaros is
23:41<Ikaros>Nobody talks about it in Florida
23:41<Ikaros>Dallas.
23:41<zifnab>ah
23:41<zifnab>i guess that makes sense
23:41<zifnab>we got 6" in november, i still had to go to work
23:41<Eugene>Not like there's much else to talk about
23:41<Eugene>Besides cow-fucking
23:41<Ikaros>Heh
23:42<Ikaros>School districts are already shut down
23:42<zifnab>i've had 1 snow day in my entire life
23:42<Ikaros>Courts too, so that means no jury duty for Monday. :D
23:42<zifnab>bozeman got 3 feet one weekend
23:42<zifnab>i may be exageratting
23:42<zifnab>probably closer to 1.5
23:43<zifnab>anything less than a foot is 'just drive slow' weather
23:43<zifnab>but we also have snowplows
23:44<Ikaros>Hm
23:45<Ikaros>Wonder if I should brave it anyway. Store's like half a block.
23:46<zifnab>have you never driven in snow?
23:46<zifnab>just cut the speed limit in half
23:46<zifnab>and stop like a block ahead of where you need to stop
23:46<Ikaros>For the last time it's not snow.
23:47<Ikaros>It's ice. Black ice.
23:48<Ikaros>No if anything I'd rather just chance it on foot if I do go
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23:55<dcraig>Ikaros get some chains
23:56<Ikaros>Heh
23:56<Ikaros>Doesn't happen often enough to warrant it
23:56<Ikaros>Already seen police cruisers driving around with chains though.
23:57<dcraig>you in boston or what?
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