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10:03<zowasel>please i have a problem with my linode
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10:03<zowasel>i wanted to upgrade to php5.5 today
10:04<zowasel>which i did for 5.3
10:11<zowasel>but the site never came back up
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10:12<zowasel>please i need help
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10:12<buhman>perhaps you might start by articulating your problem
10:13<buhman>erm, rather, what 'the site never came back up' actually means
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10:16<hawk>Probably some details on what you did as well.
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10:28<jrhunt>and maybe some cookies
10:29<+linbot>New news from forum: Proper way to remove IPv6 so system won't identify as such? in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11656&p=66293#p66293>
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10:30<zowasel>buhman the site wasnt showing anymore...rather its downloading the page
10:31<zowasel>i had to shutdown the server...
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10:31<zowasel>but i could turn it on for you to see what the error is like
10:32<akerl>zowasel: What web server / PHP service were you using?
10:32<akerl>It sounds like whatever was supposed to be executing the PHP code stopped doing that
10:32<akerl>Are we talking apache+modphp? nginx+phpfpm? apache+fastcgi? something else?
10:33<zowasel>apache
10:33<akerl>and modphp?
10:34<zowasel>apache+modphp
10:35<akerl>Is mod-php actually installed and enabled?
10:35<zowasel>yes
10:36<akerl>How did you confirm that?
10:36<zowasel>actually i know its been working before, the server is running apache php and mysql
10:36<zowasel>basic
10:37<akerl>zowasel: Clearly something changed
10:37<akerl>I'd recommend confirming that mod-php is installed and enabled
10:37<zowasel>http://zowasel.com/
10:37<zowasel>thats the url
10:37<zowasel>now its not even working again
10:38<akerl>Your web server is not responding
10:38<akerl>Either it's not running, or your firewall is blocking the connections, or it's not listening on the right IP/port
10:40<MajObviousman>or aliens have taken over the world and forgotten to fix this little issue so we don't know they're here
10:40<MajObviousman>see also: They Live
10:41<zowasel>akerl: pls what dp i do
10:41<akerl>zowasel: Well, I'd suggest starting by checking if apache is running
10:41<zowasel>ok
10:42<buhman>you might have a php version-specific addhandler in your apache config or an htaccess somewhere
10:43<zowasel>this is the error i got when trying to restart apache2 Restarting web server apache2 [fail] * The apache2 configtest failed. Output of config test was: apache2: Syntax error on line 214 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory Action 'configtest' failed. The Apache error log may have more information.
10:43<@rohara>I think you found the problem.
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10:44<paul>hi someone there?
10:44<@rohara>Usually.
10:44<akerl>No
10:44<paul>haha
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10:44<Guest395>i need help diagnosing a problem
10:44<akerl>ok
10:45<akerl>Did you try checking the logs?
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10:47<Guest395>yea
10:47<zowasel>i am checking
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10:47<Guest395>I'm having some connectivity issues where the domain name isn't resolving to the server anymore
10:47<zowasel>but what am i looking out for in the error log
10:47<Guest395>webpage is just blank now
10:47<akerl>Guest395: What's the domain?
10:47<Guest395>sugar.tritoncptl.com
10:48<akerl>zowasel: Fix your config, the line that the error you already pasted talks about
10:48<Peng>!dns6 sugar.tritoncptl.com
10:48<+linbot>Peng: 192.81.129.223
10:48<@rohara>Guest395: it doesn't look like your web server is running
10:49<akerl>Guest395: Your web server is not responding, either because it's not running, it's not listening on the correct IP/port, or because your firewall is blocking the connections
10:49<Guest395>well I have an apache stack
10:49<akerl>I'd suggest checking in that order
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10:58<Guest395>firewall is disabled
10:58<Guest395>httpd is running
10:58<akerl>How did you confirm?
10:59<Guest395> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/httpd.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) since Mon 2015-03-09 07:43:31 PDT; 15min ago Process: 20288 ExecStop=/bin/kill -WINCH ${MAINPID} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 14421 ExecReload=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -k graceful (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 20224 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -DFOREGROUND (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 20224 (cod
10:59<akerl>!p
10:59<+linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
10:59<Peng>"Active: inactive (dead)"?
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11:00<hawk>Sounds like an ex-httpd
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11:01<Guest395>sudo service httpd restart
11:01<Guest395>same thing, just active dead?
11:01<akerl>Guest395: Pastebin the actual output
11:01<akerl>Like, the status you gave, but in a pastebin so we can read it
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11:02<Guest395>https://bpaste.net/show/101f0adbaf51
11:02<akerl>Yea, so it stopped
11:02<akerl>If you don't think that should have happened, I'd recommend checking your logs
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11:05<Guest395>I know where the error logs are for connectivity and such but now this log
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11:10<Guest395>i'm trying to find the log file but I don't know where it's at
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11:13<akerl>/var/log seems like a good place to start
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11:18<Guest395>https://bpaste.net/show/791a47cf5146
11:18<Guest395>that's all it shows
11:18<akerl>Is the httpd process running *now*
11:19<akerl>?
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11:22<Eugene>When did OFTC start using funny-signed SSL certs :-/
11:23<Guest395>as far as I know yes
11:23<Guest395>I don't know why this is so difficult to troubleshoot
11:24<Peng>Eugene: Are they now signed by something funnier than SPI?
11:25<Eugene>Nope, just SPI, which CentOS decided to not trust by default recently, or something
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11:25<Peng>This is why you should use Debian :D
11:25<Eugene>I have a severe allergy to GNU/Linux
11:26<akerl>Guest395: 'ps aux' ?
11:26<Peng>Eugene: Take some Zyrtec.
11:28<Guest395>https://bpaste.net/show/b7a30c4bb9c9
11:28<Guest395>ps aux | grep "httpd"
11:29<akerl>So it's running
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11:42<mdtz>going on 6 hours w/o comment on a critical ticket about a linode backup error that's taken down a node. is that typical?
11:43<akerl>A) a backup error wouldn't take down a Linode
11:43<@caker>The Monday after hundreds of thousands of reboots -- probably not unexpected :)
11:45<mdtz>caker: heh, ok
11:49<Karrde>on the bright side, I'm sure hundreds of thousands of Linodes are running the newest kernel now
11:50<akerl>:>
11:50*akerl looks forward to 4.0
11:51<Cromulent>4 does sound cool with the patches that are working towards allowing rebootless kernel updates
11:52<Cromulent>not sure how close they actually are to that goal though
11:52<arlen>fancy
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11:56<Eugene>Will the Maintenance column be going away once this particular XSA window is gone?
11:56<@rohara>Only time will tell.
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11:56<akerl>Don't worry, I'm sure there'll be more XSAs soon :P
11:56<buhman>^
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11:57<buhman>new maintenance windows every other week
11:57<Eugene>Oh good, my time writing a UserStyle to hide it wasn't wasted.
11:57<buhman>heh
11:58<akerl>Eugene: I think the more concerning question here is: how often are you looking at that page?
11:58<Peng>I hope you don't hide other things like abuse tickets :\
11:58<akerl>Had nobody here mentioned the UI change, I might not have noticed
11:58<Eugene>The /linodes page?
11:58<akerl>Mhm
11:58<Eugene>Whenever I login to fiddle something in DNS
11:58<Peng>Bookmark /dns :P
11:59<Eugene>Or check Longview, or do, well, anything in the panel
11:59<akerl>API is <3 :>
11:59<buhman>hmm, time for a new maintenance column in the dns manager
11:59<buhman>"No Maintenance Required"
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12:21<zheng_dong>Por qué no registrar @ 163.com cuenta de correo electrónico.
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12:23<akerl>http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html well that's cute
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12:24<gparent>I suspect the immediate fix for this one is to cry quietly
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12:31<hawk>akerl: That's kind of scary
12:32<Peng>Can we fix this if we break out the DDR-2700?
12:33<Peng>DDR-333 or PC-2700*
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12:39<+linbot>New news from forum: "Broken" PHP after Xen upgrade in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11657&p=66294#p66294>
12:39<trippeh>STOP!
12:40<trippeh>Hammertime.
12:41*EyePulp can't touch that.
12:42<EyePulp>Does linode handle the resolv.conf differently than the base ubuntu distro (14.04) I'm seeing some error about it's supposed to be symbolic link and not a file
12:43<Peng>EyePulp: It's not an error, it's a warning.
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12:44<Peng>EyePulp: It just means dhclient is writing your resolv.conf instead of resolvconf, so resolvconf whines.
12:45<EyePulp>Peng: I see - so that means resolvconf -u won't do it's thing when run, right? So what's the recommended way to change DNS servers?
12:47<Peng>Why do you want to use resolvconf?
12:47<Peng>If yo uwant to use different resolvers, you could use a static networking config, or set supersede domain-name-servers in dhclient.conf.
12:47-!-sarnold_ is now known as sarnold
12:48<trippeh>resolvconf is nice. it will even autoconfigure a local dnssec validating resolver if you are into that kind of stuff.
12:48<EyePulp>Peng - no particular love for resolvconf - just trying figure out the most vanilla, least bad way to bake this into an ansible playbook we use on our linodes.
12:49<Peng>You could also turn resolvconf on.
12:49<Peng>I guess it would just require swapping /etc/resolv.conf for a symlink to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
12:49*Peng shrugs
12:50<Peng>Anyway, yes, by default, Linode handles resolv.conf in a perhaps unusual way, having dhclient manage it directly instead of resolvconf.
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12:53<EyePulp>Peng: Thanks for the clarifications - I think supersede domain-name-servers might be the simplest route
12:53<EyePulp>would I restart a service or re-run something to adopt those changes?
12:56<Peng>eheheheh
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12:56<Peng>For dhclient? Short of reloading networking, I'm not sure what you can do.
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13:02<EyePulp>ah, and dhclient would require superseding under each iface. argh
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13:06<vision>hi
13:06<vision>i want to go with Linode 2GB
13:07<vision>can i get centos web control panel or cpanel
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13:07<vision>with this plan
13:08<vision>how much have to pay for it
13:08<Peng>You can do whatever you want. Linode doesn't sell cPanel licenses, but cPanel is provided with managed service
13:08<Peng>!managed
13:08<+linbot>https://www.linode.com/managed
13:09<vision>i want cwp control panel
13:09<Peng>I don't know what that is. You can install it yourself if you want.
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13:10<vision>its centos web control panel its free from cent os team
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13:10<Peng>Okay.
13:11<vision>could u help for install
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13:11<@rarlan>vision: http://centos-webpanel.com/cwp-installation
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13:12<vision>ok we contact you later
13:12<vision>after discuss our team
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13:12<vision>thank you
13:13<@rarlan>No problem
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13:24<scs>issues with dallas tx nameservers?
13:27<arlen>are there?
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13:30<scs># dig google.com @72.14.179.5 .... ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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13:30<EyePulp>scs: We've been seeing dns issues in tx
13:30<EyePulp>as in we, my company, not we linode
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13:46<scs>seems to be ijmproved now
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13:59<Eugene>HoopyCat - because I'm too lazy to run one, can you do a MTR from Newark-->Fremont again?
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14:02<weee>hi guys
14:02<weee>anyone?
14:02<Cromulent>hi
14:03<akerl>Channel is closed for maintenance today
14:03<weee>why?
14:03<Cromulent>heh
14:03<gparent>Because it's christmas.
14:05<weee>who have website?
14:05<Cromulent>weee: please don't PM me - if you have a question ask in the channel
14:05<Cromulent>!ask
14:05<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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14:27<Karrde>how i mine for fish?
14:27*akerl hands Karrde a shovel
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14:40<+linbot>New news from forum: My IP in browser shows default Apache2 Ubuntu default page in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11648&p=66295#p66295>
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14:42<trippeh>we have a logo! http://www.rowhammer.com/
14:43<Nivex>trippeh: needs moar AAAA
14:47<pronto_>Nivex: AAAA is the root of all evil
14:48<Nivex>AAAA != money
14:48<akerl>I figure the best course of action might be to add "* AAAA ::1" to zones
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15:21<sr3d>hi guys
15:21<sr3d>anyone from Linode?
15:21<sr3d>my db server is down after the restart
15:21<sr3d>and I can’t restart mysql because somehow the disk is now in read-only mode
15:22<gparent>did you check dmesg for any useful output
15:25<sr3d>gparent: just run dmesg ?
15:25<sr3d>it’s a ubuntu box
15:26<sr3d>gparent: this is the dmesg output ... http://pastie.org/private/kk2apzaatqc1pcbxwantoa
15:28<sr3d>humh … found this … https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/71758/ext3-root-filesystems-goes-read-only-with-aborted-journal-even-after-repairs not sure how I know how to proceed
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15:29<@rohara>sr3d: reboot into Rescue Mode and run a file system check
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15:30<sr3d>rohara: k I’m rebooting to rescue mode right now
15:31<@rohara>sr3d: https://www.linode.com/docs/troubleshooting/rescue-and-rebuild
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15:32<sr3d>rohara: thank you!
15:32<@rohara>:)
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15:40<sr3d>rohara: the e2fck did it ...
15:40<@rohara>Victory!
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15:42<x_xx>Please help me to open as soon as possible I English not good ID ametliu
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15:43<x_xx>hello/
15:43<ninedragon>hello! :D
15:44<x_xx>Hello I am using a virtual credit card,that is TenPay American Express card. My name is Jin Liu. My TenPay American Express card account number is 4391880580495335. The card Expiration Date is 8,2016. My linode account is ametliu Please activate my account
15:45<x_xx>有中国客服吗
15:45<buhman>wat
15:45<@rohara>Did you just drop your credit card number in a public IRC? You should contact your bank $now and cancel that card.
15:45<arlen>lmao
15:45<@alexf>x_xx: This is a public community chat room. You should not be putting your full card info here.
15:46<x_xx>yes
15:46<@alexf>x_xx: rohara is right, you should probably cancel that card immediately.
15:46<x_xx>laomao
15:46<arlen>at least it was a virtual card number
15:46<ninedragon>still
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15:47<x_xx>Sorry my English is not good
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15:50<arlen>replace number
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16:00<ldlework>Is linode affected by Rowhammer?
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16:01<ldelarosa>Hello guys. I'm trying to set a node balancer on Linode, but I have a question. The node balancer and the nodes have to be in the same datacenter, location?
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16:02<@alexf>ldelarosa: yes
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16:04<ldelarosa>Ok thanks. I will need to remove the balancer and create it in the same place I have the nodes.
16:12<+linbot>New news from forum: "Broken" PHP after Xen upgrade in Web Servers and Web App Development <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11657&p=66296#p66296>
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16:40<akerl>ldlework: No
16:40<Leandro_-_Brasi>hello
16:40<MajObviousman>is anybody here rolling OS X yosemite that has _NOT_ installed homebrew?
16:41<akerl>MajObviousman: Sorry, brew ftw :P
16:41<MajObviousman>no worries, I'm rolling brew myself
16:41<MajObviousman>I'm just trying to determine if it was homebrew what altered the order of my /etc/path file or the upgrade to Yosemite did it
16:42<akerl>I do not believe homebrew does
16:42<MajObviousman>I am thinking not as well, but finding someone like above will tell us for sure
16:42<+linbot>New news from forum: ubuntu 10.04 32bit to 14.04 64bit in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11658&p=66297#p66297>
16:42<MajObviousman>I do not recall altering this file, though it's a commonly-suggested "fix" for homebrew pathing issues
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16:46<MajObviousman>mikegrb: can you restart the bot in #g7? Thansk.
16:46<mikegrb>oops, thanks
16:46<psandin>mikegrb: y u break things?
16:47-!-Irssi: #linode: Total of 418 nicks [25 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 392 normal]
16:49<mikegrb>psandin: nop it was rohara
16:49*psandin scowls at rohara
16:49<MajObviousman>attaboy
16:49<MajObviousman>pass that buck on like a pro
16:50<@mmustac>MajObviousman: Hey, was nice meeting you at Scale13x! also, sorry already have brew installed
16:50<MajObviousman>mmustac: nice to meet you too :)
16:50<akerl>mmustac: he didn't trick you into riding the blue motorcycle, did he?
16:51<MajObviousman>mikegrb: much obliged sir
16:51<MajObviousman>akerl: unfortunately I got sick on Saturday, so I didn't get to share the Blue Motorcycle experience at the party that night
16:51<akerl>:<
16:51<MajObviousman>I'm blaming that little Mexican dive place my dad and I went to the night before
16:51<@mmustac>hah, I did not have the honor
16:51<MajObviousman>just past the freeway into Inglewood
16:52<MajObviousman>funny thing, the streets looked real nice where we were. The second you get out of the airport district, everything goes back to normal, e.g. trash everywhere, streets torn up like shit, etc etc
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16:57<MajObviousman>akerl: out of curiousity, can you pastebin your /etc/paths for me?
16:58<akerl>https://gist.github.com/akerl/515b38ae53bb413bfdea
16:58<akerl>Do note that /etc/paths.d/* is also used
16:58<MajObviousman>so yours is like mine. Interesting.
16:58<MajObviousman>maybe it _is_ homebrew making the swap
16:59<akerl>Did you check .bashrc/.profile ?
16:59<MajObviousman>yes, the zsh equiv, I did
16:59<MajObviousman>that's what tipped me off to begin with
16:59<akerl>ohmyzsh?
16:59<MajObviousman>when /usr/local/bin showed up twice in my path and I had questions
17:00<MajObviousman>nope, just pure zsh
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17:00<MajObviousman>no prezto, no ohmyzsh
17:00<MajObviousman>not yet
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17:01<akerl>if it were me, I might grep "/usr/local" in ~/
17:01<MajObviousman>we think alike. Did that already too.
17:01<MajObviousman>so it's definitely /etc/paths, and that's definitely been permanently altered
17:02<akerl>Wait, does your /etc/paths have /usr/local/bin twice?
17:03<MajObviousman>no. It has it once. I modified .zshenv to put it before the rest of my path, then when I check the result I see /usr/local/bin up front twice.
17:03<MajObviousman>that started this current odyssey
17:03<akerl>Oh, well yea
17:03<MajObviousman>it's "fixed" easily. I'm just curious WHAT altered /etc/paths for me, since I don't remember doing it ever
17:03<akerl>I'm pretty sure that's stock
17:03<MajObviousman>interesting
17:03<MajObviousman>that's a change from Mavericks then
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17:09<anew>would it be safer to have a gmail account or set up my own email on a domain?
17:10<MajObviousman>define safer
17:10<@mmustac>you would need to be more specific about "safer" but in general gmail
17:10<@mmustac>that ius of course if you dont mind them reading it all
17:10<MajObviousman>setting up your own email can be difficult. There are many things to learn and get just right
17:11<akerl>It's a good thing that devs and sysadmins have a long history of getting things right
17:11<MajObviousman>some sysadmins
17:11<akerl>not all sysadmen?
17:11<MajObviousman>and I have anecdotes aplenty to prove it
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17:28<chris>hey ya'll
17:28<Peng>Hi :D
17:28<chris>what is the cost if i clone a disk to reuse later?
17:28<akerl>$0
17:29<chris>so, if i spin up a linode for a demo
17:29<chris>clone the disk
17:29<chris>kill the linode
17:29<akerl>Where do you clone the disk to?
17:29<chris>sorry not sure
17:29<chris>just learning
17:29<chris>i'll hit up the docs and come back with more questions
17:29<akerl>disks can't just be floating around
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17:30<akerl>you'd either clone to another Linode (where the other Linode costs money, cloning doesn't cost anything), or the disk is small enough to put into Linode Images, which is free
17:30<akerl>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-images
17:31<gparent>ah I hadn't checked pricing if any yet.
17:31<gparent>neat
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17:32<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH SOCKS performance nosedive in new Linode architecture in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11659&p=66298#p66298>
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17:35<MajObviousman>interesting thread
17:35*MajObviousman has also noticed a change in how well his SOCKS proxy performs in the "new" arch
17:36<chris>akerl, read the docs, see what you mean
17:36<chris>if i can get an image under 2GB, then i can store it as an image
17:36<chris>thanks guys
17:39<Eugene>I try to wash my socks pretty often
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17:44<curby>howdy, anyone have experience troubleshooting ssh socks proxies? the same configuration (as far as I can tell) seems to be chugging on one system but not another. thread: forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11659
17:45<buhman>heh
17:45<curby>(thread contains a lot more details and things I've tried)
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17:45*James_T puts socks on his feet
17:45<James_T>comfy
17:49<curby>oh, didn't know linode bot reports new forum threads :P
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17:49<buhman>;p
17:49<curby>does anyone have any ideas what's causing that though?
17:49<curby>is it really the fact that I chose the smallest linode plan? ferrying some web traffic around shouldn't be THAT difficult
17:50<Eugene>jstewart - tell them to not screw it up next time
17:50<curby>MajObviousman: when you said "noticed a change" was just just a bit slower? my pages are entirely failing to load. like at all.
17:51<akerl>curby: With what error?
17:51<curby>generally timeouts
17:51<curby>i should try curling a page from the server. i don't think that's the problem though
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17:51<trippeh>curby: Hm. I wonder if socks connections counts against MaxSessions in sshd?
17:51<akerl>No
17:52<MajObviousman>curby: it felt a bit more sketchy. Used to be I could be browsing, downloading something, and using SSH all at the same time without much issue. Now, if I'm loading a page or downloading, my SSH latency goes to shit
17:52<MajObviousman>I've been blaming client side and just putting up with it, as it wasn't that huge of a deal. I don't download much, and I run trim with adblock and whatnot to cut out the reall obnoxiously huge page loads
17:52<akerl>Well, the SSH connection between you and the server is 1. Any proxying inside that, SSHd doesn't know/care about
17:52<+linbot>New news from forum: ubuntu 10.04 32bit to 14.04 64bit in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11658&p=66300#p66300> || SSH SOCKS performance nosedive in new Linode architecture in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11659&p=66299#p66299>
17:53<curby>well cnn.com and google.com load quickly via curl on the proxy server, so it's not that it can't talk out
17:53<trippeh>akerl: maxsessions is sessions within one ssh connection
17:53<akerl>Hm?
17:53<trippeh>eg when I start subsystem or command sessions over a multiplex, it counts against it
17:54<MajObviousman>akerl: as I suspected, it was bandwidth limitation
17:54<MajObviousman>so, I just put up with it
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17:54<akerl>trippeh: MaxSessions is counting SSH sessions
17:54<curby>trippeh: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the same between the servers, but perhaps MaxSessions isn't specified explicitly and the two machines are defaulting to different values. thanks for the tip. i'll take a look
17:54<akerl>Hence the name
17:54<trippeh>akerl: "Specifies the maximum number of open sessions permitted per network connection." note per network connection
17:55<akerl>:|
17:55<akerl>Yes.
17:55<trippeh>says so in man sshd_config
17:55<akerl>SSH sessions
17:55<akerl>Your SSH connection is a single session
17:56<akerl>When you type "ssh -ND 1337 you@yourcoolhost.com", you are adding 1 session to either a new or existing connection
17:56<trippeh>no, a SSH connection supports multiple sessions, this is standard SSH 2.0
17:56<akerl>:|
17:56<akerl>The SSH protocol supports multiple sessions. Your ssh command that you run from the command line is adding *one*
17:57<curby>according to http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26170/sshd-config-maxsessions-parameter maxsessions has no impact on SOCKS proxying
17:57<akerl>The fact that you're doing SOCKS inside that session is totally opaque to OpenSSH
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18:02<trippeh>akerl: so I should not be able to start more than 10 "ssh localhost" with MaxSessions 10? is that what you are saying or are we just talking past each other :)
18:02<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH SOCKS performance nosedive in new Linode architecture in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11659&p=66301#p66301>
18:04<akerl>trippeh: I am saying that there are SSH connections, which involve port xxxxxx on your machine talking to port xxxxxx on the other machine, and SSH sessions, which exist inside connections and are limited by MaxSessions, and there are things you do inside an SSH session, like running a shell or SFTP or SOCKS proxying or git pushing
18:04<akerl>MaxSessions only affects the 2nd, not the 3rd
18:04<trippeh>so we agree then
18:05<trippeh>(I was just unsure if socks connections counted)
18:06<akerl>"Yes, opening a SOCKS proxy counts, but MaxSessions can never stop your SOCKS proxy connection from working"
18:06*MajObviousman realizes how little he actually knows about the internals of ssh connections
18:06<akerl>MajObviousman: most of my knowledge is either from "why is this thing breaking" or "maybe it'll be fun to read the RFCs"
18:06<MajObviousman>RFCs are a tad dry
18:06<akerl>Spoiler alert: "because SSH is weird" and "no, no it isn't"
18:07<MajObviousman>is the Oreilly book on SSH any good?
18:07<trippeh>MajObviousman: I just spent a week with ssh protocol details :|
18:07*MajObviousman wonders aloud
18:08<trippeh>but it does make sense, sessions in the openssh source is just commands and subsystem
18:08<trippeh>(which are similar)
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18:12<trippeh>MajObviousman: books pfft, just read the source of openssh :)
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18:14<curby>i got a pretty light look into ssh/scp when i wrote a custom shell to handle the back-end of scp file transfers for work. but i know nothing deeper about the specifics of the connections themselves
18:14<curby>so the dns is indeed different. i guess i'll set up dnsmasq (i was thinking of doing so anyway)
18:15<curby>oh, i'm replying in irc to something written on the forum. sorry :P
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18:18<trippeh>ssh socks to a 14.04 linode works fine here
18:18<trippeh>but the client insisted on binding to ::1 only, so 127.0.0.1 didnt work in firefox
18:18<trippeh>(or localhost, due to my gai.conf)
18:18<curby>i take it you're on one of the new linodes?
18:18<trippeh>yeah
18:19<curby>is it a 1gb, 1 core plan?
18:19<trippeh>yup.
18:19<curby>again i don't think the size of the linode would prevent stuff from working. but i just want to eliminate variables heh
18:20<trippeh>just opened 100 concurrent tcp over the socks
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18:20<trippeh>(so def not counting against MaxSessions)
18:20<akerl>no way
18:21<trippeh>I know rite!
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18:21<trippeh>with and without remote dns, works fine
18:23<curby>that's the sort of behavior i'd expect
18:23<curby>i'll try to get there :)
18:25<trippeh>apparantly connecting to a modern news website opened 130 concurrent socks connections haha
18:25<trippeh>thats crazy
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18:31<curby>big companies' websites aren't really built for slimness :)
18:32<Peng>Modern news sites are the worst
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18:32<curby>so i'm considering using unbound instead of dnsmasq, since i don't need dhcp or locally-defined names. is that a reasonable move? i'm used to dnsmasq but don't mind trying something new if it would do a better job
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18:33<gparent>it's nice to try different things
18:33<gparent>unbound is like 2 lines of config
18:33<gparent>try it
18:33<Peng>curby: Unbound is quite different. It's a full recursive server; DNSMasq is just a forwarder.
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18:35<trippeh>unbound can just forward too though, and on debian/ubuntu it tends to be the default config if resolvconf is active.
18:35<Peng>Oh, interesting.
18:35<trippeh>forward + dnssec validate :)
18:36<curby>hmm unbound+dependencies takes up 6MB. dnsmasq only 2MB. obviously unbound must be better :P
18:36<Peng>Yeah... DNSMasq will pass through DNSSEC info but won't validate it itself, right?
18:36<Peng>curby: :D
18:36<trippeh>Peng: correct
18:36<gparent>yeah, 4 megabytes more better.
18:36<Peng>4 megabytes of DNSSEC validation!
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18:37<trippeh>all my nodes run with unbound locally, forwarding to linodes dc local resolvers
18:38<gparent>All my nodes forward to trippeh's, which...
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19:01<curby>i was gonna ask how to do forwarding but https://calomel.org/unbound_dns.html seems to cover many setup
19:01<curby>setups*
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19:07<trippeh>curby: if you omit the server: part it will listen on localhost only, btw
19:07<trippeh>which is probably what you want
19:08<curby>i'm allowing certain IPs like my home to connect for another source of dns. unless that's dumb for some reason :)
19:08<trippeh>resolvconf will control the "." forward-zone if resolvconf is active
19:09<Peng>curby: It's a bit dumb.
19:09<curby>should i just have unbound do queries at home instead?
19:09<Peng>curby: Running a fully open resolver is dangerous -- you have to carefully manage it to avoid DDoSes and poisoning and such.
19:10<Peng>curby: Running a resolver firewalled to only your own IPS, I don't know, it's not really dangeorus (though it can receive spoofed packets), but it's one firewall mistake away from dangerous.
19:10<Peng>IPs*
19:10<curby>i said certain ips. i'm limiting it in both unbound.conf and via iptables. i was thinking that would prevent such issues?
19:11<Peng>It would, more or less. It just makes me nervous and I'm not sure there's much benefit.
19:11<curby>so you'd recommend just running unbound from home instead?
19:11<curby>(instead of relying at all on the linode)
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19:13<MajObviousman>if you are careful, then there's benefit
19:13<MajObviousman>Peng is saying that the nervousness it brings him is greater than the potential benefit it brings him, and so he declines to do it that way
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19:14<MajObviousman>you may have a different selection criteria, and so therefore may have a different balance
19:14<curby>sure, i'm just wondering what alternatives may be preferred for certain situations :)
19:14<Peng>No wait I thought everyone thought just like me
19:14<MajObviousman>well, you could put it into the config but keep it commented out. When you need a resolver, ssh in, uncomment, restart
19:15<Peng>Do you have a static IP at home?
19:15<MajObviousman>leaving that functionality open increases your attack surface
19:15<MajObviousman>more things to manage, more risk to consider
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19:15<MajObviousman>that's all
19:15<curby>Peng: yeah, static at home
19:15<Peng>oh nice :D
19:16<curby>it's cool, but i pay dearly for it :\
19:16<MajObviousman>in general, I'm trying to achieve whatever primary (and secondary, tertiary,e tc) objectives required to complete my task while minimizing attack surfaces without spending too much time
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19:22<zifnab>anyone used veaam before
19:25<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH SOCKS performance nosedive in new Linode architecture in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11659&p=66302#p66302>
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19:50<zifnab>anyone know when the drop date is for this last round of XSAs
19:50<zifnab>i have hosts needing patching
19:50<buhman>zifnab: xen does
19:50<zifnab>buhman: thanks...
19:51<buhman>you asked
19:51<James_T>zifnab: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/ ?
19:51<zifnab>oO
19:51<zifnab>thanks James_T
19:51<James_T>2015-03-10 12:00 UTC ;) for XSA-123
19:51<zifnab>so...12 hours
19:52<James_T>yup
19:52<zifnab>hopefully i can avoid reboots for a bit
19:52<zifnab>none of it is anyone-but-me facing
19:55<zifnab>(i'm really hoping its just vm-escaping, because 99% of these hosts are internal-only)
19:56<James_T>http://companyname.website/1492
20:02*Eugene reboots zifnab
20:07*zifnab hangs on 'waiting for disk'
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20:22<dharmaone>hey.. I have an issue with apache spiking to about 20% CPU with just a single request. Used to be fine and I haven't changed any settings in apache
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20:24<dharmaone>running wordpress
20:25<dharmaone>straight html websites don't have the spike
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20:47<HoopyCat>Eugene: http://pastie.org/private/acntgzmh7bwyy6sjdrgh1w ... better late than never, i suppose :-)
20:47<Eugene>Eh, I spent the 1.5c :-p
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20:50<HoopyCat>Eugene: ja, i'd have normally gotten you the data a couple hours ago, but it was dinner night for the neighborhood association
20:50<Eugene>Tasty?
20:51<HoopyCat>Eugene: downright splendid; http://rocwiki.org/Zemeta_Ethiopian_Restaurant
20:51<Peng>You ate your neighbors?
20:52<HoopyCat>Peng: no, it was vegetarian :-P
20:52<Peng>It's rude to call people vegetables
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20:57<HoopyCat>Peng: stop, or i'll produce a pun thread
20:58<Eugene>Let us move on from this
20:59*Peng looks at "Let us"
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21:00<HoopyCat>can we not relish the moment?
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21:12<Eugene>If you believe that's a good idea, I've got a bridge to sell, 'arry.
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21:35<kyhwana>-2
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21:41<zifnab>also, 'arry, you're a lizard
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22:14<curby>gotta say, #linode seems to be wacky and informative. a good combo
22:15<curby>ok, time to install unbound at home, and try not to break things
22:17<virtual>curby: whats unbound?
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22:17<Peng>virtual: It's a recursive and forwarding DNS server
22:18<virtual>oh, DNS?
22:18<virtual>heh, timing.
22:18<virtual>I did search first, but my eyes just skipped over that hit.
22:18<Peng>:X
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22:18<virtual>It's not an excuse, it's pointing out how lame I am.
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23:10<_7766>hi
23:10<arlen>hi
23:12<_7766>I want to know is there any restrictions with SMTP port ? I read somewhere on F.A.Q that by default it's blocked what does that mean ? is it block by Linode and we need to ask contact support to unblock it or is it blocked in our FIREWALL and we can easily open or allow it ?
23:12<arlen>its not blocked
23:13<_7766>supercool.
23:13<nate>linode doesn't block any ports, most you might get is the atlanta datacenter blocks standard IRC Ports ports however still I believe
23:14<_7766>and do you support dns and other configuration assistance on vestacp or zpanel ? because I'm going to buy the vps this morning.. but I need to know how much helpful you are? as I'm not expert in all this stuff..
23:15<arlen>its unmanaged, so you get to do everything yourself
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23:15<kyhwana>_7766: by default linode's are unmanaged VPS.. you have to do everything involving what goes on inside the linode
23:15<kyhwana>Or you can pay $100/node for it to be managed (there's also professional services)
23:24<Peng>"Managed" only gets you certain things -- read the details
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23:33<_7766>where to read the details..
23:34<akerl>linode.com/managed
23:34<_7766>and I know it' unmanaged but I was asking if you guys supports on these things :| ?
23:35<_7766>like DNS configuration help on cpanel alternatives..
23:35<_7766>that's it.
23:35<_7766>and other internal issues.. if port block or etc.
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23:37<Peng>That would not be unmanaged, then.
23:37<nate>_7766: only on managed
23:37<Peng>Though the community is helpful, and Linode support tends to go above and beyond.
23:37<Peng>Also, by the way, Linode provides a DNS service.
23:37<nate>Unmanaged literally means everything ON the VPS you (or whoever you trust/employ) manage
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