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---Logopened Thu Apr 09 00:00:26 2015
00:01<James_T>you only need link locals for auto-discovery based networks, though, staticsafe
00:01<James_T>the fe80:: kind of bs
00:04<staticsafe>James_T: incorrect, it is required on all IPv6 interfaces
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00:07<+linbot>New news from forum: Is it possible to copy one linode to another linode in General Discussion <>
00:08<karstensrage>oh in the same dc only?
00:08<karstensrage>for the link local?
00:08<Peng>It's local to the same link, yes.
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01:00<dmsumon>When I add my domain to DNS ... it sets host name blank to my IP address .... what does it mean ??
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01:02<virtual>dmsumon: it means someone can go to and get to your server, and not have to have to get to your server.
01:02<virtual>eg. you can get to your domain with or without www at the beginning.
01:03<dmsumon>Here is the screenshot
01:04<dmsumon>So is it necessary to add a * wildcard record ?
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01:14<virtual>wildcard records are for something different.
01:14<Peng>dmsumon: It's only necessary if you need it.
01:14<Peng>dmsumon: Most people don't.
01:15<virtual>e.g. if you don't want to setup a hostname for lots of things going to one webserevr - e.g., etc. then you can use a wildcard. But, asPeng says most people don't need that.
01:16<dmsumon>That means is I add a recod like this ... Hostname blank and IP address to my IP .... Then all my domain as well as sub domain will point to my server IP, right?
01:17<dmsumon>That means if I add a recod like this ... Hostname blank and IP address to my IP .... Then all my domain as well as sub domain will point to my server IP, right?
01:17<virtual>that's the same screenshot?
01:17<virtual>But yes, if you want all your subdomains to point to that server, then, yes, that will work.
01:18<dmsumon>Ok thans ... Virtual
01:18<dmsumon> Ok thanks ... Virtual
01:18<virtual>Kinda curious as to why you want thtat though. :)
01:18<virtual>(ps, no need to repeat ;))
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02:15<Harshada>anyone there?
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03:17<sirD>where will you have china datacenter?
03:18<virtual>I've not noticed any news that says there will be one in the near future, sirD.
03:19<Peng>A Singapore will open soon, though.
03:19<Peng>A Singapore data center will open soon*
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03:21<virtual>SG still due end of this month?
03:22<sirD>which will be faster to china?
03:22<sirD>I have customer in china mainland
03:23<sirD>which datacenter will be faster to china mainland
03:24<virtual>Guessing Tokyo or Singapore will be the best options. But I know that Tokyo is currently full, so that's not an option.
03:24<virtual>just checking to see if there is a speedtest server up yet.
03:25<sirD>full? what do you mean?
03:25<Peng>There was, though it was undocumented. Dunno ifi t's still up.
03:26<Peng>sirD: It means... full. Out of space. The only way to get a new VPS in Tokyo at the moment is when an old one is deleted.
03:26<sirD>my god sell out
03:27<virtual>Peng: I can't seem to find it easily, ah well.
03:27<Peng>virtual: :P
03:27<virtual>huh, I just trie that and it said hostname not found. bleh! works now.
03:28<virtual>oh, haha, no I didn't. I tried 'speetest'. :)
03:38<+linbot>New news from forum: Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * is set, still no firefox font in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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03:46<AK>how to install SSL certificate in linode
03:47<Peng>By following a guide.
03:47<Peng>In fact I think Linode has written HTTPS guides, but there are a million of them.
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04:06<nate>AK: A linode is a VPS with an OS installed on it, and has no real relation to SSL certs. Individual programs like apache, lighttpd, dovecot, etc, however all takes SSL certificates, which you can find how to install on with peng's link :P
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04:42<dmsumon>When I visit my Dashbord .... I see written info ,,, dallas1034 low ... What does this LOW thing mean ??
04:45<Peng>It means load on the server, from your VPS and other customers' VPSes. It's not a very interesting figure.
04:46<dmsumon>Peng : Does that mean ... low is good ?
04:46<dmsumon>Peng : Thank you
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04:49<dmsumon>When configuring my VPS what security tools are must to install and configure? I also want to point out that I am using Ubuntu 14.04 ... Plz answer me someone with good experience ... Thanks in advance
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04:51<dmsumon>When configuring my VPS what security tools are must to install and configure? I also want to point out that I am using Ubuntu 14.04 ... Plz answer me someone with good experience ... Thanks in advance
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05:38<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH key Error:Server refused our key in General Discussion <>
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06:08<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH key Error:Server refused our key in General Discussion <>
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06:53<yu>how i can connect my linode using filezilla
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06:54<kyhwana>yu: using sftp, with a valid user account that exists on your linode
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06:59<yu>for sftp any client software is there
07:00<Peng>for example, FileZilla
07:01<Cromulent>did any of you here that the filezilla download on sourceforge now contains tons of junk as well?
07:01<Peng>SourceForge still exists? ;)
07:02<hawk>Rumor says that it still exists
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07:22<dzho>one occasionally stumbles across a project hosted there.
07:22<dzho>Usually, they are moribund. What is truly shocking is to find projects hosted there that are either still being updated, or that were *created* there recently.
07:24<avenj>that's just sick
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07:27<zectorpt>may be someone can help me... I've a openvpn configured and working fine. but all traffic, including Internet Traffic is passing in the VPN. Someone know to all my internet trafic go directly from my computer to internet and only class A B and C go trough VPN? TKS
07:29<sirD>can I buy japan datanow?
07:30<sirD>can I buy japan center now?
07:31<dzho>zectorpt: I think what you want to do is called "split tunneling"
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07:35<zectorpt>tks dzho
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07:38<samknelso>I'm seeing "connection reset" HTTP errors for various linode servers from my network. It is not browser-specific, site-specific, or even Linode-specific; however, it appears to be restricted to my LAN, since users in other cities aren't seeing the issue.
07:38<samknelso>Any thoughts? Is anybody aware of network congestion at the moment?
07:40<dzho>samknelso: ping and traceroute?
07:40<dzho>also, and
07:41<sirD>sir can I buy linode now?
07:41<sirD>in japan dataceter
07:42<Peng>sirD: Probably not
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07:43<Peng>sirD: Nothing has changed in the last four hours.
07:43<sirD>when can buy in japan center
07:44<Peng>I don't know. Maybe three months from now, six months from now, never.
07:44<dzho>might improve once Singapore comes online
07:46<Peng>It'd still be first come first serve, and I'd guess that whatever space was freed up in migrations to Singapore would sell out quickly.
07:47<sirD>we are also exploring a second Tokyo datacenter...
07:47<dzho>Peng: do they maintain a waiting list?
07:47<sirD>will it have a second datacenter in japan?
07:48<dzho>sirD: they hope to do it but there are no firm plans
07:48<dzho>sirD: compare what they say about Tokyo to what they say about Singapore
07:48<sirD>my god I need it
07:48<HoopyCat>I'LL DIE WITHOUT IT
07:48<dzho>I need this for work.
07:49<sirD>yes me too
07:49<dzho>HoopyCat: also, hi
07:49<sirD>do you hear about Bi Fujian
07:49<HoopyCat>dzho: hi! on my way out the door, but fyi, buying and installing mouse traps tonight following a tuesday night incident
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07:50<sirD>oh my God
07:50<dzho>at the space you mean
07:50<sirD>when can buy the linode...
07:50<HoopyCat>dzho: yeah
07:51<dzho>if there weren't all sorts of horrible complications probable with it, I'd be tempted to say we need a cat there
07:52<HoopyCat>dzho: ours, apparently, aren't mousers
07:52<dzho>it's hard to get good help these days
07:53<samknelso>Thanks, dzho. Looks like it was network congestion between me and the Newark data center, it seems to have cleared itself up.
07:54<HoopyCat>dzho: but yes, i consulted with someone whose people are known to be ruthlessly efficient (source: john titor) and have a solution for dispatching gullible mice that's inexpensive, quick, and reliable
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07:55<HoopyCat>and with that, off to work! *foop*
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07:59<avenj>there's a couple gallons of 100mg/ml nicotine here ... should be able to kill a few million mice I think
07:59<avenj>given an adequate quantity of peanut butter
08:00<Cromulent>cool sounds like a cheap way of quiting smoking :P
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08:17<gparent>I started deploying ipv6 yesterday
08:17<gparent>im scared
08:19<dzho>no, I will not hold you
08:20<gparent>that's ok
08:21<gparent>I rediscovered some fun things like autoaddressing on a xen hypervisor with too many interfaces = bad
08:21<gparent>unless you want that, but otherwise bad.
08:21<dzho>"too many"?
08:21<gparent>wrong wording, but a lot of these interfaces had no ipv4 at all and were just bridges
08:22<gparent>so I didn't want them to have an IP at all
08:22<dzho>but now, it's you get an IPv6 address, and you get an IPv6 address, and you get an IPv6 address ...
08:22<gparent>well they had one IP, just not one per bridge
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08:26<Peng>Wow WoSign offers 3 year certificates now. I didn't even know that was allowed.
08:27<gparent>I'd be ok with a 3 years >= 4096bit >= SHA256
08:27<Peng>2048-bit'll be fine for three years
08:28<dzho>it's a chinese cert
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08:37<Peng>TIL certs are currently limited to 39 years.
08:37<Peng>39 months
08:37<Peng>that's a recent change, too
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08:45<Luke>Hi anyone help me please :(
08:46<Luke>my mailserver by Postfix didn't work
08:47<akerl>Why not
08:48<Luke>postfix/master[32560]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 14120 exit status 1
08:48<Luke>postfix/smtpd[14159]: warning: /etc/postfix/ logical line must not start with whitespace: " user = mailuser password = ..."
08:48<Luke>postfix/smtpd[14159]: fatal: /etc/postfix/ bad string length 0 < 1: dbname =
08:48<akerl>Sounds like that file is improperly formatted
08:49<Luke>postfix/master[32560]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 14159 exit status 1
08:49<+linbot>New news from forum: Can't receive or send emial [Postfix,Dovecot] in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
08:49<virtual>akerl: twice in one da..?
08:49<virtual>day too
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08:50<akerl>Luke: Did you edit that file in Notepad or similar?
08:50<Luke>also in PuTTY
08:50<akerl>I'd recommend fixing the lines based on the error you provided
08:51<Luke>does it mean I shouldn't leave blank space in front of "user=..
08:51<akerl>That's what it sounds like
08:51<Luke>I already cancle the blank
08:52<akerl>And now what does the error say?
08:52<Luke>what does "fatal: /etc/postfix/ bad string length 0 < 1: dbname =" mean ?
08:52<akerl>It's expecting a value there and not finding one
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09:39<Peng>Any of y'all use Do they provide a www subjectAltName like a normal CA?
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09:52<Peng>Good. One of their support docs implies they don't.
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10:00<nate>Peng: I think it depends on the vendor, but the sales page usually notes if they do or not
10:00<nate>Comodo's certs all should
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10:03<Peng>You're right, it says "Secures 'www' & 'non-www': Yes" on the Features subtab.
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11:55<Tim>Anyone else having trouble connected to their linodes?
11:56<nate>Tim: Considering how many linode locations there are, clarify where?
11:56<Ubik>Yep, they're all down. The whole system. On vacation.
11:56<nate>Ubik: Please, this isn't amazon
11:57<Tim>Not sure where ours are
11:57<nate>where entire datacenters go up and missing for a while
11:57<Ubik>nate: Hey, at least I didn't say "the Internet" was down!
11:57<nate>Tim: Login and see...?
11:57<akerl>Tim: What are you connecting to, and what issue are you seeing?
11:57<Ubik>or give us an IP, may can find thataway
11:57<Tim>Don't have the password. Developer has that and is unreachable
11:58<nate>Tim: Sounds like this is an issue you should be contacting your developer for
11:58<Tim>Trying to diagnose myself since he's unreachable
11:58<nate>hard for linode to offer guidance or support for someone elses account, at least in a public IRC
11:59<Ubik>that doesn't seem to even be a Linode IP
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11:59<akerl>Seems like your site is using l33t d0s m1t1gation
11:59<akerl>If you want to figure out the issue, I'd suggest trying to make him less unreachable
11:59<akerl>because we're not going to be able to help you
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11:59<nate>or at the very least m...
11:59<nate>okay then
12:00<Ubik>Grand opening, grand closing.
12:01<Ubik>I'm not convinced that's a Linode IP, or even a valid host (port 80 isn't listening, etc.)
12:01<akerl>Ubik: :|
12:02<akerl>The IP is routed to black lotus
12:02<Ubik>never heard of em, but definitely != Linode, lol
12:03<akerl>No, but given that their service is "route traffic to our IP, we filter it and route to your real IP"...
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12:03<Ubik>so another layer to break :P
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12:34<PBMP>hi guys
12:40<+linbot>New news from forum: My developers won't give me access to my server in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:42<PBMP>was wondering if anyone had the number for the marketing team?
12:43<akerl>Linode's contact info is all helpfully collected at
12:44<PBMP>thanks akerl but that's not quite what i'm looking for as im only able to source support and sales from there
12:44<akerl>That is correct
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12:45<rnowak>hello, is this cloud?
12:45<akerl>No, this is patrick
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14:10<+linbot>New news from forum: My developers won't give me access to my server in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
14:13<Peng>Last post by... vonskippy. Uh-oh.
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14:16<@alexf>which he edited, forcing me to edit my reply
14:20<+linbot>New news from forum: My developers won't give me access to my server in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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14:53<gparent>Nivex: I think I goofed. I started addressing my machines but they don`t quite have an ipv6 route to the internet yet. Now my work VPN does not work, claiming it can`t resolve DNS, and I suspect I'll find out tonight that I broke it last night :P
14:54<gparent>didn`t think I'd need that test Vlan but turns out it was a good idea.
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15:54<ryduh>Hi there, I'm seeing any issue where one of my linodes is taking about 5 seconds to connect to
15:54<ryduh>5-15 seconds
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15:55<ryduh>this command: time curl -vvv takes 5 - 15 seconds
15:55<ryduh>Can anyone suggest ways to debug where this time is being spent?
15:56<ryduh>Another linode connects in less than a second
15:56<MajObviousman>ryduh: check your DNS settings
15:57<MajObviousman>make sure each Linode is in fact hitting the same IP after the DNS resolution step
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15:57<@ccravens>Are your linodes in the same datacenter?
15:58<MajObviousman>add an entry to your /etc/hosts so that each Linode is hitting the same IP
15:58<MajObviousman>or, easier than thatn, just alter your curl call
15:58<@ccravens> /etc/hosts hacks are gross
15:58<MajObviousman>time curl -vvv -H 'Host:'
15:58<MajObviousman>will accomplish the same thing without any DNS lookup required
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15:59<ryduh>they are connecting to different ips
15:59<@ccravens>And if ever moves, your stuff breaks.
15:59<MajObviousman>ryduh: so sort that out first
15:59<MajObviousman>ccravens: it's temporary
15:59<MajObviousman>and ugly yes
15:59<MajObviousman>but necessary sometimes
16:02<ryduh>ccravens: I can't tell if they are in the same dc because i can't login to the manager. I lost my 2FA phone and am trying to reset it with support
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16:03<Peng>You can still tell with traceroute
16:03<Peng>Or by looking at the IPv6 IPs.
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16:16<fridaynext>How do I find the php.ini file that controls my php settings? I just did php -i | grep php.ini, but after making edits to that file and restarting php, the changes did not go into effect.
16:17<laser`>maybe try putting a <?php phpinfo(); ?> in your webserver? the cli and website could have different php.ini files
16:17<laser`>if you're using the system-provided php.ini, Googling for "location of php.ini on <your distribution>" may yield results
16:18<laser`></wrong window>
16:18<Peng>wasn't this the right window?
16:18<fridaynext>will try - thanks laser`
16:18<laser`>the em was the wrong window :P
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17:21<toothe>would linode be upset if I were to resolve like 70k IPs using linode's NS ?
17:21<akerl>Why would you do that using Linode's nameservers?
17:21<toothe>because I have a linode server.
17:22<toothe>and i was going to run it off of it.
17:22<toothe>and my NS record is linode.
17:22<Peng>...Are we talking about the authoratitive or recursive servers here?
17:23<akerl>I'm hoping the latter
17:23<toothe>Peng: Pardon?
17:24<akerl>toothe: I have a feeling that if you start sending bulk requests at the resolver like that, you're going to raise some red flags and they'll either block you or tell you to stop
17:24<toothe>that's what I'm concerned about lol
17:25<toothe>i suppose I could setup my own NS server and do resolutions off of it.
17:25<akerl>Why are you doing bulk DNS lookups
17:25<toothe>small research project.
17:25<toothe>well, i guess not small
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17:32<Peng>I'm pretty sure I've thrown 70,000 DNS queries at hte Linode resolvers before.
17:32<Peng>But not recently. :>
17:34<toothe>why'd you do that?
17:34<Peng>Sometimes I liked leaving "do rDNS lookups!" on in silly applications.
17:37<akerl>I mean, that's 70k total, not 70k at once
17:37<staticsafe>toothe: run an instance of a recursive resolver locally (eg. Unbound)
17:37<Peng>If you're doing enough queries that you have to ask, that's probably best, yeah.
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18:14<Ashish>Hello, I want to purchase linode, would i get free centos and can i install plesk or cpanel on it
18:15<Peng>Yes, CentOS is one of the available distributions.
18:15<Peng>You can install cPanel or Plesk, but you would have to acquire a license yourself.
18:16<Ashish>can i expect some support if i hang up in some process,
18:16<Ashish>yeahh (y)
18:18<sirpengi>the community might help
18:18<sirpengi>or you can pay for managed hosting, which will help you with cpanel (and provide you a license)
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18:36<bablu>i want to take 5 instances on linode
18:37<bablu>can you say about pricing for that 5 instances for one month
18:37<bablu>2 instance with 10gb storage and three with 15 gb storage
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18:38<kyhwana>Well, that was easy
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18:43<akerl>This is the user community. If you have a question, you're welcome to ask it
18:45<akvnc>Our support experts are available to assist you 24x7. Get your questions answered in minutes.
18:45<Peng>Official support is available via the ticket system, email and phone.
18:45<akvnc>i send Support Ticket 2015-04-09 08:42:09 PM 2 hours ago by akvnc
18:46<akvnc>dont answer
18:46<psandin>so why are you telling us?
18:46<akvnc>i wait answer
18:46<akerl>Awesome, you'll wait for the answer
18:46<ctpdump>let's all wait
18:46*psandin waits
18:47<Peng>akvnc: I'm afraid the community can't help your ticket get answered faster.
18:47<ctpdump>sure we can
18:47<akerl>Is this like a séance?
18:47<akerl>we all sit around the table and try to help our friend commune with the spirits beyond the cloud?
18:48<ctpdump>let's hold hands, yes
18:48<ctpdump>it's the least we can do to help
18:48<Peng>You could try not being rude.
18:56<kyhwana>Peng: Madness!
18:57<akvnc>linedo ??????????
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18:59<akerl>Random moment of the day: just noticed I have 6 keybase invites, everybody should join keybase
18:59<auraka> akerl ditto
18:59<akerl>I don't even know why invites are still a thing, are they in gmail-style beta for life?
18:59<@jfred>I should update my keybase profile
19:00<@jfred>it's all bank and boring
19:00<akerl>I figured the needing-an-invite thing would go away after a few months
19:00<auraka>invites make people feel special and more likely to use it as they feel they got something of value for free
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19:05<MajObviousman>what the heck is keybase and why should I care about it?
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19:06<akerl>It's a UI/library baked around the idea that web of trust is hard and annoying, and so rather than skip happy hour and go to keysigning parties, we can all mostly trust that somebody we know from github/twitter/the_internet owns their entities on the internet
19:06<Peng>Down with CAs! Up with Twitter!
19:07<akerl>So rather than the keysigning party, you publish singed proofs to your github/twitter/website/etc, and because I trust that those accounts are yours, I can trust that it's really your key
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19:32<gparent>what if I don't trust that you're really akerl.
19:33<akerl>who is akerl?
19:33<gparent>what if peng registered all your accounts
19:34<akerl>Then Peng has quite the github streak :)
19:36<SNy>Why would you publish singed proofs? Would they not be... black? :P
19:39<MajObviousman>akerl: skid marks?
19:39<MajObviousman>oh, not that kind of streak
19:40*gparent sings his pgp key
19:40<SNy>Loudly or hotly, gparent?
19:40<MajObviousman>put some stank on it!
19:40*MajObviousman is done
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21:01<purrdeta>issues with DNS in atl?
21:06<dzho>you accidentally a predicate
21:06<HoopyCat>DNS which way?
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21:35<sir_onyx>Is Linode DNS working ok? I'm getting DNS failures using nameservers and
21:36<sir_onyx>For example, dig @ results in Got answer:
21:36<sir_onyx>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED
21:37<HoopyCat>sir_onyx: purrdeta mentioned something about atlanta DNS earlier. probably worth opening a ticket
21:37<sir_onyx>thanks =) it started acting loopy about 20-30 minutes ago
21:38<sir_onyx>... and now it's fine again
21:38<sir_onyx>yay magic
21:38<HoopyCat>see? tickets work wonders :-)
21:38<sir_onyx>haha, apparently they work if I just think of creating one
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21:39<HoopyCat>sir_onyx: THE POWER OF THE MIND
21:41<Nivex>guess you won't need S3FS anymore:
21:42<HoopyCat>FUSE storage drivers
21:42<HoopyCat>You'll soon see 'em
21:42<HoopyCat>On a shelf
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21:42<HoopyCat>In a museum
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22:02<+linbot>New news from status: Performance degradation in Atlanta <>
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22:42<+linbot>New news from forum: SSH key Error:Server refused our key in General Discussion <>
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22:54<doubletop>got an issue with my webserver "Error establishing a database connection". Any ideas on why this wordpress site would be throwing this?
22:56<dcraig>probably can't connect to its database :D
22:56<MrPPS>database service down?
22:56<MrPPS>or incorrect password, etc?
22:59<doubletop>under services it says mysql is running.
22:59<doubletop>could it be a naming issue you think?
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23:01<doubletop>there is a ? by mysql, though
23:01<MrPPS>what distro are you running?
23:01<doubletop>so when I try to restart mysql it say failed to start.
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23:01<MrPPS>yeah, that'll be an issue
23:02<MrPPS>do a "service start mysql" or /etc/init.d/mysql start, etc
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23:02<MrPPS>see if it gives any output
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23:04<doubletop>root@localhost:~# /etc/init.d/mysql start * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
23:04<doubletop>yeah, that's not good
23:05<MrPPS>not at all
23:06<doubletop>funny that's I'm only running with 68% on my linode
23:06<dcraig>I'm runnin' on empty!
23:07<doubletop>need some more coffee!
23:07<dcraig>MrPPS reminds me of MrPibb
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23:12<karstensrage>whats wrong with the forum
23:13<dcraig>too many annoying users?
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23:43<timdotrb>good evening
23:44<timdotrb>i'm having an issue with a new linode i created in the dallas, tx datacenter, where i'm able to create a swap partition, but unable to create any other disk images. i tried deleting the linode & creating a new one, but am having the same problem.
23:49<@alexf>timdotrb: are you trying to create them through the manager? What error message are you getting?
23:51<timdotrb>alexf: yes, i'm trying to create them through the manager. i've tried both "deploy an image" and "rebuild" as options as well. all it says is "image create failed"
23:52<@alexf>timdotrb: I suggest you open up a support ticket. You don't appear to be doing something wrong, support tech's will look into it further
23:53<timdotrb>alexf: cool. i did that, but figured i'd see if anyone in here had suggestions. thanks
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