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00:00<virtual>And it would go over about 5 episodes.
00:00<James_T>going to perth next sunday for a wee
00:00<James_T>k
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00:00<virtual>oh! I could drive up...
00:00<James_T>be there from the 26th to the 4th
00:01<virtual>If I get permission, and you have time, could make this work.
00:01<James_T>woo
00:01<virtual>location looks like it's not too far out from the CBD really. 20 minutes tops into the CBD?
00:02<James_T>takes forever driving
00:02<James_T>but yeah, by train like 20min
00:02<virtual>oh, yeah. I wouldn't drive looking at the traffic in Sydney.
00:02<James_T>indeed
00:02<virtual>Debating getting rid of our car, if we move.
00:02<James_T>too expensive to insure in sydney
00:02<virtual>(and just hiring one when needed, but could be a pain with car seats).
00:02<James_T>and gogets aren't too expensive to hire
00:03*virtual googles
00:04<James_T>uses a smart card to hire it
00:04<James_T>no keys
00:04<virtual>yeah, saw a lot of those kinds of services in London. But never used one, as I had my own car there.
00:06<James_T>starter plan takes a $500 security authorisation for two weeks afaik
00:06<James_T>fuel is included too
00:06<virtual>heh, just did a quick search for a car for 2 hours in wolli creek, with a car seat. closest one is '82 minutes walk'. :)
00:06<James_T>:P
00:06<virtual>yeah, sounds just like the stuff in London.
00:07<virtual>oh my. They give the cars names. "Victor the Yaris".
00:07<James_T>they're building a whole heap of apartment buildings here
00:07<James_T>ohlol, victor....
00:07<James_T>they have vans parked up at IKEA too
00:07<virtual>very handy. :)
00:08<virtual>doesn't say how much rental actually costs. Also, not srue anyone else on #linode cares.
00:08<James_T>nope
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00:09<virtual>oh, found it. :)
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00:20<makito>Using this tool: https://www.mail-tester.com/spf-dkim-check
00:21<makito>my dkim seems valid
00:21<makito>but it is still not recognized by other providers
00:21<James_T>http://www.port25.com/support/authentication-center/email-verification/ ?
00:26<makito>ty
00:26<makito>Is this tool safe?
00:26<makito>http://dkimcore.org/tools/keycheck.html
00:27<virtual>hmm, not sure.
00:27<virtual>that's basically giving them your whole ky. Doesn't seem sensible.
00:27<virtual>oh, wait, no.
00:28<virtual>It's fine. It's only asking for what you'd put in DNS.
00:28<makito>Don't I put the whole key in the dns
00:29<virtual>just the public part.
00:29<makito>Oh okay
00:29<makito>it's valid
00:29<virtual>so the 'mail.txt' part from the opendkim-genkey command
00:29<virtual>cool.
00:30<makito>but sent email still goes to spam lol
00:30<makito>fml
00:30<virtual>what makes you think it's invalid/not recognised.
00:30<makito>sent email is going to spam that's why lol
00:30<virtual>ah.. so dkim doesn't help :/ Did you sign up to the hotmail postmaster thing?
00:30<makito>Let me do that
00:30<virtual>Hopefully that will tell you where yu should concentrate effort.
00:36<makito>Yep
00:36<makito>does dkim show up in the header?
00:37<virtual>yes, it should do.
00:40<makito>kk I'll see if I can find it
00:40<makito>cause when I use different tools it says that I have a dkim
00:40<makito>but this tool
00:40<makito>http://dkimvalidator.com/
00:40<makito>does not recognize it
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00:42<virtual>you haven't modified your DKIM records recently, right? Just added new ones?
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00:42<virtual>Though they do try to get the records directly from the auth servers, it says.
00:43<makito>Well I just added it like 20 or 30 minutes ago
00:43<makito>all the other tools were able to find it
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00:43<virtual>What's the actual error?
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00:45<makito> This message does not contain a DKIM Signature
00:47<virtual>and can you see the dkim signature in the 'original message' field/
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00:51<makito>nope
00:51<makito>I guess the email is getting signed
00:52<arlen>what does mail-tester.com say?
00:52<arlen>send a test email and link it
00:53<virtual>If there's no domain-key-signature: or dkim-signature: field in the original message, then it doesn't appear it's been signed.
00:55<makito>I see
00:55<makito>let me check mail-tester.com
00:59<makito>so i need an a record
00:59<makito>and indeed my dkim is not signing
00:59<makito>A Record
01:00<virtual>A record for what..?
01:00*virtual is curious only.
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01:03<makito>not sure
01:03<makito>but that's what mail-tester.com says
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01:06<makito>Is the hostname
01:06<makito>the subdoamin
01:06<makito>ie
01:07<makito>host.example.com
01:07<makito>or is it just example.com
01:07<virtual>that depends - what is your mail server sending as?
01:08<makito>i think as the host.example.com
01:09<makito>but I kind of want to change taht
01:09<makito>lol
01:09<makito>that*
01:09<makito>Maybe that was another issue
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01:25<samuel>Hey, how is the static IP address of a linode Arch Linux VM configured by default?
01:26<samuel>I can't see it in any of the standard networking things, it's like it somehow gets configured by magic
01:26<samuel>I even grepped /etc for the ip address and it doesn't show up anywhere
01:27<samuel>Oh, I see, dhcpcd
01:29<Peng>Feel free to write a static configuration and disable DHCP if you like.
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01:30<virtual>Can you use that network manager feature with arch linux?
01:30<samuel>Peng: Yeah perhaps, but dhcpcd is fine for now
01:31<virtual>Network Helper, sorry.
01:32<virtual>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/network-helper - support arch too, it seems.
01:32<Peng>samuel: Sure, using DHCP is fine too. :) I was just pointing out that you don't have to.
01:32<Peng>(By way, IPv6 is handled with SLAAC by default.)
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01:58<dinso>hi
01:59<dinso>I'm having trouble connecting to mysql
01:59<kyhwana>indeed
02:00<dinso>I try to telnet View
02:01<dinso>telnet 192.168.134.108
02:01<dinso>3306
02:02<dinso>dsipay trying 192.168.134.108...
02:02<dinso>connected to 192.168.134.108.
02:03<dinso>Escape character is '^]'.
02:03<dinso>T
02:03<Ttech>why are you not using mysql with more verbose options instead of telnet
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02:04<dinso>5.5.41-0+wheezy1,W-5,zFx7F<9ICSW<DBMYSQL_NATIVA_PASSWORDConnection closed by foreign gost.
02:06<makito>very strange that dkim is valid but is not signing the key
02:06<makito>emails*
02:06<dinso>I do not speak English I was in Thailand
02:09<dinso>use in webservver display -bash: mysql: command not found
02:10<dinso>use command in server 1 connect to server 2 = mysql display -bash: mysql: command not found
02:13<makito>mysql -p databaseName
02:13<makito>then enter your password
02:13<makito>for mysql
02:13<makito>make sure mysql is installed
02:15<dinso>server install web server server 2 install mysql server
02:16<dinso>i intall in server 2
02:17<makito>Did you install mysql?
02:17<dinso>i use server 1 command mysql connect 192.168.134.108 private ip
02:18<dinso>I installed it in server 2
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02:23<makito>okay
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03:13<+linbot>New news from forum: mulberry alexa outlet Mulberry online bag nettbuti in /dev/random <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11745&p=66653#p66653>
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03:24<+linbot>New news from forum: NodeBalancers and WebSockets in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11743&p=66654#p66654>
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03:54<ElroyJetson>What nameservers should I use for pointing a domain to my linode?
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03:56<virtual>Hi ElroyJetson - this is the best page for that: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager#setting-domain-names-to-use-linodes-name-servers
03:57<ElroyJetson>thank you virtual
03:58<virtual>you're welcome!
04:13<virtual>life would be easier if everyone used their git master branch as their 'released version'.
04:14<+linbot>New news from forum: mulberry vesker oslo Mulberry håndvesker billig uk in Customer Testimonials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11746&p=66655#p66655>
04:16<Peng>sounds legit
04:17<Peng>Going by Google Translate, "vesker" = "bags" and "billig" = "cheap"
04:17<Peng>sounds legit
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05:19<Pupeno>Is it possible with Linode's DNS to automatically update A records to be the same as the A records of another domain?
05:21<virtual>Not an expert at Linode's DNS, but, not that I know of. Guessing you don't want to just point CNAMEs.
05:22<Pupeno>virtual: that is correct. This is for my naked domain, example.com, so, I don't want to use a CNAME for it.
05:22<Pupeno>I remember using a DNS provider ages ago that could do this, but the name escapes me.
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06:36<HoopyCat>Pupeno: could be done with a cron job; check for a change, then update via API
06:37<Pupeno>HoopyCat: indeed, or I can just use a DNS provider that does it for me... which I'm doing (dnssimple)
06:37<Pupeno>I was hopping to keep things in linode, but it's not a big deal.
06:39<HoopyCat>Pupeno: nod, also works!
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06:56<amitz>is there any project to use rest api as a database_engine of django?
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07:47<+linbot>New news from forum: Linux Container Query in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11747&p=66656#p66656>
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08:32<Kamran78>hi does linode offer cpanel license? what is the cost per node
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08:33<virtual>Kamran78: Linode includes a cpanel licence if you buy the managed support option. Otherwise you have to supply your own licence.
08:34<Kamran78>what is the cost of managed node? btw I just need a cpanel license thats it. I will manage my node myself
08:34<virtual>Cost of managed is $100/month (per node)
08:35<Kamran78>wow ... thats bashing high
08:36<Kamran78>why not you guys offer just a cpanel license..like everyone else offer it in mere $5
08:36<Kamran78>a month
08:38*virtual shrugs.
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08:46<chris>is there anyway to just upgrade ssd disk size on linode?
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08:48<virtual>Sort of - I don't know how it works out, but you can select bigger disk sizes (at an increased cost, of course) in the manager. I believe the increase in size is based on the current size of the linode.
08:49<virtual>Hopefully someone who knows better will chip in.
08:50<ccravens>chris: It's all tied together. If you want more disk, you have to upgrade the whole plan.
08:50<chris>what about sata?
08:51<virtual>ccravens: But.. I can add more capacity from the manager, in the "Extras" tab?
08:52<ccravens>"Extras"?
08:52<ccravens>chris: not at this time.
08:53<ccravens>Additional bulk storage is an oft-requested feature.
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09:12<virtual>ccravens: Extras - maybe not everyone has this tab? Go to Linodes, pick a node, the right most tab (right of Settings) is Extras.
09:13<virtual>on my two different linodes, the max I can pick is 12GB anyway, so not much extra.
09:16<ccravens>I don't have an "Extras" tab, "Settings" is the last one. Are you a long-time customer?
09:18<virtual>Not super long time. Since about 2012 I think?
09:18*virtual tries to recall when his colo box died.
09:21<virtual>yeah, 2012.
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09:25<ccravens>Before Linode built the SSD infrastructure and revamped their pricing scheme.
09:27<virtual>Ah. I see. I don't think I'm signed up to any newsletters, so I didn't know.
09:27<Nivex>check out the blog.
09:27<virtual>What for?
09:29<Nivex>blog ~= newsletter
09:30<virtual>OK. I know the blog exists. I was saying I wasn't signed up to newsletters at the time of the change, so I didn't know then of any extras changes.
09:30<virtual>Reading the blog now won't change that.
09:32<virtual>I haven't had any RAM / disk upgrade surprises while logging into the manager for a while either. :P
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10:05<Toba_>is newark network dropping a deuce?
10:05<Toba_>or is it just me
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10:10<+linbot>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr
10:18<+linbot>New news from forum: Need subscription system in Feature Request/Bug Report <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11748&p=66658#p66658>
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11:03<dev0>Hi there! is it linode support room/place!
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11:15<MajObviousman>dev0: Unofficial community support
11:15<MajObviousman>we may or may not help, and if we do help, we may or may not give you the Right help
11:23<avenj>Chaotic Neutral Support
11:23<avenj>might save your cat. might steal your car.
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11:26<MajObviousman>well put, avenj
11:26<MajObviousman>my favorite align
11:26<avenj>++
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11:31<a_green>Hello, How may I have another extra ip for my linode? and how much would it be?
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11:32<jasonm>$1.00 a month for additional IP's
11:32<jasonm>I believe
11:32<jasonm>and you have to justify it
11:32<Cromulent>!ips
11:32<+linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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11:33<a_green>Sounds fair, thank you.
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12:00<passant>hello guys, i'm trying to run this command chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/example.com/public_html/wp-content to give Wordpress permission to add and edit files but it seems now working, is it wrong?
12:00<jasonm>no it's correct ( and insecure if you ask me )
12:01<jasonm>as so long as your webserver is actually running as the www-data user
12:01<passant>I took it from here https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/manage-web-content-with-wordpress and made the FTP bypass action too
12:01<jasonm>yah, so what's it not doing?
12:01<jasonm>and you have example.com
12:01<jasonm>are you running that EXACT command?
12:01<jasonm>I'm sure example.com isn't your real directory
12:02<passant>yea ichanges it of course, i restarted Apache, but my plugins can't activate on wordpress
12:02<jasonm>will they install?
12:02<passant>i changed*
12:02<jasonm>but not activate?
12:02<passant>yes
12:02<jasonm>okay that is not a permissions issue
12:02<jasonm>that is something to do with wordpress
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12:02<passant>but i still can't tick them all and install at once
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12:02<jasonm>permissions on the filesystem ( what chown changes ) is only to write files
12:03<jasonm>activation has to do with wordpress making use of those plugins
12:03<passant>There's this plugin that can't install quite succseefully
12:03<jasonm>is the plugin for the version of wordpress that you have?
12:03<jasonm>what is the exact error?
12:04<passant>yes it is, it's a Envato Wordpress Toolkit and everytime i click install, it send me to a page with my admin panel on the left only
12:05<passant>if I tried to refresh it, they say it's not installed
12:05<passant>i never installed right
12:05<passant>it*
12:06<passant>I wanna know something stupid i may have doing, where that command chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/example.com/public_html/wp-content suppose to be where excatly?
12:07<jasonm>Where is your wp-content directory for the website?
12:07<passant>is it on the /var/www/example.com/public_html/
12:07<jasonm>example.com is an example
12:07<passant>yes, i know
12:07<jasonm>it is not going to be an exact directory listing
12:07<jasonm>Where is your wp-content directory for the website?
12:07<passant>fashionparadoxes.com
12:07<jasonm>no
12:08<jasonm>where is it in full?
12:08<jasonm> /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/wp-content?
12:08<jasonm>or some where else?
12:08<passant>i think it is yes
12:08<jasonm>thinking is not knowing ;)
12:09<jasonm>I can't tell you what to type based on guesses ;)
12:09<jasonm>you need to know the exact location of the directory
12:09<passant>what i did is commanding this line on my, /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/
12:10<passant>is that correct or should i go to/ wp-content?
12:10<jasonm>if that is a real directory and is your document root
12:10<jasonm>you should be able to from that directory issue the command:
12:10<jasonm>chown -R www-data:www-data wp-content
12:11<passant>yes let me try this...
12:11<jasonm>you must be in that directory
12:11<jasonm>then do ls -l
12:11<jasonm>does it show www-data is the owner of wp-content?
12:11<passant>do ls -l why?
12:12<jasonm>to view your directory listing and verify the wp-content is owned by www-data
12:12<jasonm>how else would you know if it really worked?
12:13<jasonm>without checking?
12:16<passant>so is it, ls -lah /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/wp-content?
12:16<jasonm>that will show what is inside of wp-content
12:16<jasonm>ls -l /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/
12:16<jasonm>would show you wp-content's permissions
12:17<jasonm>h isn't need ( human readable meaning show files size ), a isn't needed ( wp-content isn't hidden )
12:17<jasonm>but put them in there if you feel the need ;)
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12:18<passant>you're so helpful! so how to know from this data if it is correct? i mean what i did
12:18<jasonm>what did it display?
12:18<jasonm>show me what the line with wp-content on it says
12:19<jasonm>just the one line
12:19<passant>https://bpaste.net/show/1b5badf7cb0d
12:19<jasonm>your wp-content is now writable by the webserver
12:19<jasonm>you should be set
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12:22<passant>it still have the same issue :(
12:23<jasonm>yah, it's not a permission based issue
12:23<jasonm>sorry
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12:25<passant>so what is it then? becuase it's not just that plugins that i have a problem with, i just need that one now
12:25<jasonm>Honestly off hand with the info I have, I have no idea what the problem is
12:27<passant>becuase when i activate this plugin if its installed, the whole wordpress go down to a blank white page
12:27<jasonm>that means most likely the plugin is broken for any reason
12:28<passant>not in my wordpress installation??
12:29<jasonm>most times when wordpress breaks from activating a plugin it's a broken plugin
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12:30<passant>I mean everything, i contact the theme people and they've done an update and saod all will work fine
12:30<jasonm>you using apache?
12:31<passant>can i delete the define('FS_METHOD', 'direct'); and access the plugins with the FTP?
12:31<passant>yes
12:31<passant>i restarted it
12:32<jasonm>add this to your /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/.htaccess file
12:32<jasonm>http://pastebin.com/5He4cBzc
12:33<jasonm>then activate the plugin
12:33<jasonm>the see what the errors are
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12:38<passant>is that willbe sudo nano /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/.htaccess?
12:38<jasonm>yes, if nano is what you use to edit that will work
12:39<MajObviousman>jasonm: you are a saint
12:39<jasonm>hehe
12:39<jasonm>I wouldn't go that far
12:39<passant>becuase i tried cd /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/.htaccess and theres no dic.
12:39<jasonm>nano it, don't cd to it
12:39<passant>He.she is really
12:39<passant>ok ok
12:40<jasonm>I'm not sure how to take being called a he.she ;)
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12:42<passant>done, activate it
12:42<jasonm>yah, it should show errors now
12:42<passant>it's on my active and uninstall plugin page now, weireddddd
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12:42<jasonm>that is weird ;)
12:45<passant> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Apr 16 18:41 is that it?
12:45<jasonm>Sorry, conference call, bbl
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12:49<passant>now ive a Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 41943040 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 491520 bytes) in /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/wp-admin/menu.php on line 267
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12:57<binaryatrocity>you need to increase the memory allocated to PHP in your php.ini
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12:58<passant>I increased it before to 8mb
12:58<passant>isn't enough?
12:59<Cromulent>evidently not
13:00<binaryatrocity>although that line seems to suggest you have 41mb allocated?
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13:02<passant>sorry my memory limit is 128mb
13:02<passant>sorry, i ioncreased the max upload size before
13:03<passant>so should i increase it or what? how much should i increase it? and after that, should i delete the .htaccess file that i made?
13:03<binaryatrocity>Wordpress recommends 64MB+
13:05<passant>okay mine already is memory_limit = 128M
13:06<jasonm>how much memory does your server have?
13:06<passant>how to know?
13:06<jasonm>free
13:06<jasonm>free -m
13:07<passant> 989 879 110
13:07<passant>total used free
13:07<jasonm>1 gig then
13:08<jasonm>so 128M is fine, however if you have a handful of processes that actually consume that you can exhaust your memory fairly quickly
13:08<jasonm>just remember that
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13:11<passant>so what the problem here?
13:11<arlen>wordpress
13:12<binaryatrocity>arlen++
13:13<passant>i know
13:13<passant>but really what to do
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13:32<passant>hello, now should i delete all the wordpress and install it again or what? cuase as i can see, the wordpress can't give permission to any plugin to do its work,
13:33<jasonm>Honestly passant, you may want to find an admin to handle the job for you
13:33<passant>i tried with diffrent plugin to regenrate my images to thumbnails andd the process is faild
13:34<passant>where to find that now, becuase honeslty i'm on budget and i dont know someone on my town to do that for me, plus i'm running over time with installing everthing and my deadline is here already
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13:37<akerl>What is the actual error you're hitting this time?
13:38<passant>AKrellllll!!! missed ya
13:38<passant>this Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 41943040 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 491520 bytes) in /var/www/fashionparadoxes.com/public_html/wp-admin/menu.php on line 267
13:38<akerl>So, you're running out of RAM
13:38<akerl>Either give PHP more RAM or use less RAM
13:38<passant>it was a problem with activating some plugins
13:39<passant>memory_limit = 128M
13:39<akerl>Why do you think it's a probelm with activating some plugins
13:39<passant>how my acual problem has to do with this
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13:40<passant>the error appeard after jasonm make me copy this to my .ftaccessfile http://pastebin.com/5He4cBzc
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13:40<jasonm>yes
13:40<jasonm>did you do an apache2ctl restart?
13:40<jasonm>after you changed the memory limit?
13:40<jasonm>and what file did you change to change the memory limit?
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13:41<passant>i didnt change it now, that my memory limit already
13:41<jasonm>where did you set memory_limit = 128M?
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13:42<passant>sudo nano /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
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13:42<jasonm>did you apache2ctl restart?
13:43<jasonm>after making that change?
13:43<passant>of course,
13:45<passant>hello...
13:45<Cromulent>hi
13:45<jasonm>make a file named something like cinfo.php with this in it: http://pastebin.com/9PQnxmdt
13:45<jasonm>upload it to public_html
13:45<jasonm>then go to that file via a browser
13:46<jasonm>it should show you a lot of php info to see if the memory is really set to 128M
13:47<passant>you mean this http://fashionparadoxes.com/phpinfo.php
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13:47<jasonm>the memory limit is showing 32M there
13:48<jasonm>that is your problem
13:48<akerl>Well, that and that a PHP process is trying to use more than 32MB of RAM
13:48<akerl>I'll call that "problem 0"
13:50<MajObviousman>jasonm: geez you're now a double saint
13:50<MajObviousman>this started almost 2 hours ago
13:50<jasonm>sadly, for me on the system it's a 5 minute fix ;)
13:50<jasonm>most likely ;)
13:51<binaryatrocity>yeah someone buy this guy a beer, this isn't even the first day the channel we've heard all about fashionparadox.com :P
13:51<rnowak>3pro5me
13:51*jasonm likes beer
13:52<binaryatrocity>well on hte off chance you're in SE WI :P
13:52<jasonm>hehe
13:52<passant>omg!!!! :D shit
13:53<jasonm>passant: ?
13:53<MajObviousman>passant: do I understand correctly that you are trying to do thumbnails or something?
13:53<MajObviousman>if so, stop.
13:53<passant>images
13:53<MajObviousman>yes. This is your problem
13:54<passant>why?
13:54<MajObviousman>you have a dumb plugin which is dumbly trying to make lots of thumbnails for all the images you have on a single page at one time
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13:54<MajObviousman>in order to do this, it must read in the entire image file, resample it, then generate a new image from the resampled data
13:54<MajObviousman>this is memory-intensive
13:54<MajObviousman>4 bytes per pixel
13:54<passant>no, that i wanted to do but it fails, another problem problem no (137950532)
13:55<Cromulent>PHP developers clearly don't understand the concept of caching
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13:55<MajObviousman>MODX has the exact same issue with phpthumb
13:55<passant>so what to do in this? becuase the theme wokrs this way
13:55<passant>eaither all the images will be on diff sizes
13:55<MajObviousman>passant: don't use that plugin. Resize the images outside of the website
13:56<passant>there're 1500 image
13:56<MajObviousman>...
13:56<passant>yes
13:56<MajObviousman>stop for a second
13:56<MajObviousman>you have 1500 images
13:56<MajObviousman>ad you're trying to resize ALL of those inside of 32MB of RAM
13:57<passant>so?
13:57<MajObviousman>it doesn't matter if you give it 3200 MB of RAM. Trying to do 1500 images at one time WILL fail
13:57<Cromulent>lol
13:58<passant>so even if i increased it?
13:58<MajObviousman>if your plugin or script were smart enough to run garbage collection after each image, then you could probably do it in 32MB. It would likely take a very long time for the script to finish (longer than your timeout), but it could finish.
13:59<shinji257>I kinda showed up in the middle of this... What's going on?
13:59<MajObviousman>alas, it is not that smart
13:59<MajObviousman>so, you are going to have to abandon your existing plans and go to some kind of out-of-band script
13:59<shinji257>It sounds like it is trying to generate thumbnails and store them in ram instead of writing them out for later reuse?
13:59<passant>now, this is not my main issue, the plugins such as envato one wont activate at all
13:59<MajObviousman>shinji257: I didn't even ask if the results are being cached or not. One has little hope.
14:00<passant>i mean this is a totally diffrent problem youre talking about
14:00<MajObviousman>the one shows up when you try to do the other
14:00<passant>so, am i riding by hope now?
14:00<MajObviousman>I suppose not using the envato plugin is out of the question?
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14:00<shinji257>MajObviousman: Yea... I just wish I saw this from the start. Maybe I'll have to look at my logs.
14:01<MajObviousman>shinji257: let me save you: don't
14:01<jasonm>I didn't even look up what the plugin did honestly ;)
14:01<passant>guys! i'm so lost here!
14:01<MajObviousman>did the memory_limit at 128MB give it enough resources to run?
14:01<jasonm>I guess I should have before fixing it on a per error level
14:02<jasonm>well last I saw, the memory limit is still 32G
14:02<jasonm>err
14:02<jasonm>32M
14:02<MajObviousman>32G heaven help me
14:02<jasonm>hahaha
14:02<jasonm>http://fashionparadoxes.com/phpinfo.php
14:04<shinji257>O_O Dang
14:04<MajObviousman>so where did the 41MB of RAM usage come from?
14:04<MajObviousman>something is not adding up
14:04<jasonm>exactly ;)
14:05*shinji257 goes and checks his own phpinfo file
14:05<shinji257>Oops... Never changed the config down to a sane memory limit XD
14:06<MajObviousman>I'm guessing he's using apache+PHP prefork?
14:06*MajObviousman assumes passant is a he
14:06<passant>is a SHE
14:06<passant>of course im a she, guys wont bother if they dont know stuff
14:06<MajObviousman>41943040 bytes = 40MB
14:06<jasonm>haha
14:06<binaryatrocity>o.0
14:07<shinji257>Well it's apache + mod_php based on the page. Not sure if it is pre-fork.
14:07<jasonm>how did we guys get to know things then?
14:07<jasonm>;)
14:07<binaryatrocity>quite the comment to a room full of guys trying to help you
14:07<binaryatrocity>lol
14:07<jasonm>What binaryatrocity said
14:07<passant>lol
14:07<MajObviousman>I've never hit a girl before
14:07<passant>im so sorry :D
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14:07<shinji257>I personally use nginx + php5-fpm using ondemand mode.
14:07<jasonm>I use both apache and nginx + php5-fpm
14:08<shinji257>Actually since I'm ondemand 128M will probably be ok per process since the die off.
14:08<jasonm>depends on what it's doing
14:08<MajObviousman>is the modern high performance model
14:08<MajObviousman>shinji257: are all of your scripts peaking high into that 128MB, or just the occasional one?
14:08<shinji257>MajObviousman: afaik none ever get anywhere near
14:08<MajObviousman>mmm, ok
14:08<MajObviousman>less agressive scavenge needed
14:08<shinji257>It's mostly for caching if they stick around long enough to make it work.
14:09<MajObviousman>apccccccc
14:09<MajObviousman>or whatever the modern is
14:09<MajObviousman>I stopped doing PHP things after 5.4
14:09<shinji257>Well the site is low traffic. PHP processes spawn when needed. They die after being idle for 60 seconds.
14:09<shinji257>It has actually managed to avoid the infamous "502 Bad Gateway" error with PHP.
14:09<shinji257>I not entirely sure how.
14:10<shinji257>*I'm
14:10<MajObviousman>also suggested to set an upper limit on number of requests per process
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14:10<jasonm>passant: try this: grep -rH '32M' /etc/php5/apache2/*.ini
14:10<MajObviousman>125-500 somewhere in there
14:10<MajObviousman>oh right. We were helping passant
14:10<jasonm>hahaha
14:10<passant>i'm just watching here
14:10<jasonm>passant: why not try my suggestion? ;)
14:10<passant>and i didnt get what to try
14:11<shinji257>XD Sorry I side tracked you guys.
14:11<jasonm>it's after the :
14:11<jasonm>grep -rH '32M' /etc/php5/apache2/*.ini
14:11<passant>hahah no, i mean what should i command
14:11<passant>all of it
14:11*jasonm looks around strangely
14:12<MajObviousman>shinji257: we can multi-converse
14:12<passant>*passant looks more strangely becuase she dont know what she got herself into...
14:12<binaryatrocity>yes, just copy that line verbatim into your terminal @passant
14:12<passant>it's 32M
14:14<passant>herre /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini:memory_limit = 32M
14:14<jasonm>there ya go
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14:14<jasonm>nano /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, and make that 128M
14:14<MajObviousman>one wonders if this is the only web site on this machine
14:14<jasonm>then apache2ctl restart
14:14*MajObviousman shuts up, decides the risk of overcomplicating this fix is too high
14:14<jasonm>then try again
14:15*MajObviousman is going to brew a beer and name it after jasonm
14:15<passant>ok, wait...
14:15<MajObviousman>St. JasonM the Patient brown ale
14:15<jasonm>I was hoping for a Stout, but a quality brown ale will do
14:15<@alexf>Pairs well with dark meats
14:15<@alexf>and brussels sprouts
14:16<jasonm>That's what she said
14:16<MajObviousman>I haven't yet brewed a stout yet
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14:16<MajObviousman>didn't want to name a potentially bad brew after you
14:16<passant>look, the line memory_limit = 128M that i already wrote is there
14:16<passant>is ther another written one with the 32mb??
14:16<MajObviousman>and unfortunately, I've got another brew scheduled ahead of yours. I gave my dad a "brewing experience" for his birthday, and he immediately asked for a Shiner Boch clone
14:16<psandin>samething as before multiple copies of the same directive, there's one lower down that takes precidenc
14:17<psandin>*precidence
14:17<MajObviousman>passant: there should be only one line in the entire file that starts with "memory_limit"
14:17<MajObviousman>if there are more, delete them until there is only one
14:17<MajObviousman>and then set that remaining line's value to "128M"
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14:17<jasonm>so you brew a lot then?
14:17<MajObviousman>starting to
14:18<passant>what i wanna know is it another one other that what i added before?
14:18<MajObviousman>I finally have a house
14:18<jasonm>I have considered trying to brew some beers but haven't dedicated the time yet
14:18<jasonm>passant: try this next command in full
14:18<MajObviousman>the time is mostly in buying materials, equipment, and research
14:18<psandin>there's a lot of default settings in php.ini, you dno't add things to it, you find the existing copy and change it, if you add things, this is what happens
14:18<jasonm>grep -rH 'memory_limit' /etc/php5/apache2/*.ini
14:19<MajObviousman>the actual brewing takes a few hours on a Saturday, then a follow up session 2-3 weeks later that's maybe 2 hours for bottling
14:19<MajObviousman>jasonm: are you in the south, by any chance?
14:19<passant>here /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini:memory_limit = 128M /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini:memory_limit = 32M lol!
14:19<jasonm>there ya go
14:19*shinji257 doesn't drink
14:20<jasonm>find the 32M line and remove it
14:20<jasonm>leaving just the 128M line
14:20<jasonm>MajObviousman: Kentucky
14:20<MajObviousman>hmm, that might be warm enough
14:20<MajObviousman>how hot does it get in the summer, and does it stay pretty consistently hot?
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14:20<jasonm>it gets hot as hell ;)
14:20<jasonm>and yes, very hot ;)
14:20<jasonm>and humid
14:21<passant>i have a question: what i added a lot of things there? such as max_execution_time and other
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14:21<MajObviousman>so you could brew a Belgian-style beer and keep it in your garage
14:21<passant>It's wrong right?
14:21<jasonm>don't tell my wife that, I will be buying the brewing supplies tomorrow
14:21<jasonm>she loves Belgian's
14:21<MajObviousman>it stays relatively above room temperature. The proximity to your wall shared with the house that is cooled can be used to keep things at the right temp
14:21<passant>looooool
14:22<jasonm>I have a detached garage right now unfortunately
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14:22<MajObviousman>belgians ferment at "above room temp" and are somewhat resistant to minor temperature fluctuations
14:22<jasonm>although we are contemplating moving further south in the next couple of years
14:22<MajObviousman>much more so than other styles
14:22<MajObviousman>this means you can get away with no cooler or temperature management
14:22<jasonm>I am modifying my business as to allow not being in any one area
14:22<MajObviousman>only need the buckets and chemistry gear
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14:23<passant>Come here!
14:23<jasonm>Where is "here"?
14:23<passant>Egypt, Cairo
14:23<jasonm>ahhh cool
14:23<MajObviousman>no. Very very hot.
14:23<jasonm>but no ;)
14:23<passant>veryyyyy
14:24<passant>you haven't answer my question
14:24<passant>i added max_execution_time = 30 memory_limit = 128M error_reporting = E_COMPILE_ERROR|E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR|E_ERROR|E_CORE_ERROR display_errors = Off log_errors = On error_log = /var/log/php/error.log register_globals = Off
14:24<binaryatrocity>yes, there should only be ONE instance of any of those lines in the file
14:24<jasonm>passant: you haven't sent $$$ ;)
14:25<jasonm>lol
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14:25<passant>to php.ini befor, is that wrong if i didnt change it and just add it?
14:25<passant>lol
14:25<jasonm>anything you added you might want to comment out ;)
14:26<passant>and what to do with the fatal error page?
14:26<jasonm>I would keep it simple, just delete the 32M memory limit line
14:26<jasonm>leave the 128M limit line
14:26<jasonm>restart apache and try it
14:26<passant>okay, i'm searching for it
14:28<Peng>!wx heca
14:28<+linbot>Peng: [metar] OBS at HECA: 68.0F/20C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 9.21 mph, chill 68.47F (altimeter: 30.209172609) [HECA 161800Z 35008KT CAVOK 20/10 Q1023]
14:28<binaryatrocity>dat visibility doe
14:28<binaryatrocity>!wx 53211
14:28<+linbot>binaryatrocity: [metar] 53211: not found
14:28<shinji257>!wx
14:29<+linbot>shinji257: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://kovaya.com/wx.cgi?icao=$1&requester=$nick".
14:29<Peng>It takes ICAO airport codes
14:29<shinji257>Ahh
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14:30<MajObviousman>!wx kdal
14:30<+linbot>MajObviousman: [metar] OBS at KDAL: 75.2F/24C, visibility 7 miles, wind 18.41 mph, chill 76.74F (altimeter: 29.97) [KDAL 161753Z 13016KT 7SM BKN022 BKN044 BKN300 24/18 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP142 BKN022 V SCT T02440178 10244 20156 58008]
14:30<binaryatrocity>!wx KMKE
14:30<+linbot>binaryatrocity: [metar] OBS at KMKE: 51.8F/11C, visibility 10 miles, wind 6.90 mph, chill 49.40F (altimeter: 30.09) [KMKE 161752Z 08006KT 10SM SCT130 11/04 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01060044 10106 20056 58017]
14:31<binaryatrocity>where do you live that you can see for 9999 miles?
14:31<binaryatrocity>that is teh question
14:31<shinji257>!wx kmdt
14:31<+linbot>shinji257: [metar] OBS at KMDT: 69.8F/21C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph, chill 70.53F (altimeter: 30.35) [KMDT 161756Z 18009G17KT 10SM BKN250 21/M02 A3035 RMK AO2 SLP277 T02061022 10211 20100 56024]
14:31<shinji257>That's Harrisburg International Airport near where I live.
14:33<passant>done with the memory, is there anything else need to edit there?
14:34<jasonm>no, restart apache, verify your phpinfo.php shows 128 Megs
14:34<jasonm>then try again
14:34<passant>yes, it's working! thank you thank you!!!!!!!
14:35<jasonm>wAIT
14:35<jasonm>wait
14:35<jasonm>too
14:35<passant>what!
14:35<jasonm>remove the lines in your .htaccess file ( or just comment them out ) for the error display
14:35<jasonm>you don't want users getting error notices
14:36<passant>yes, how to remove the file
14:36<jasonm>you don't remove that file
14:36<passant>or just remove the errors?
14:36<passant>ok
14:36<jasonm>you nano it
14:36<jasonm>you can just comment them out with #'s
14:36<jasonm>or remove the 3 lines
14:36<passant>i forgot!!
14:36<jasonm>you may want to leave them there but comment them out so you can uncomment them the next time you have issues you need to track down
14:37<passant>how to comment them out then?
14:37<jasonm>put a # in front of them
14:37<passant>is there a space or just behind them?
14:38<jasonm>as long as a # is in front of the three lines you're good
14:38<jasonm>spaces don't matter
14:38<jasonm>you can show it to me in a pastebin if you want to be sure
14:38<passant>done
14:39<passant>now, the thumbnails plugins, why isn't it good?
14:40*MajObviousman pulls his soapbox back out
14:40<psandin>math, 1500*4*width*height is a big number
14:40<MajObviousman>^
14:40<passant>and there's something still in this Envato plugins, even if its activated, there's a top message with the uninstalled plugins o-0
14:41<MajObviousman>passant: the regulars in this channel tend to avoid wordpress, and so implementation details are often lost on us
14:41<passant>ok, I understand
14:41<MajObviousman>I'm absolutely certain that there's a #wordpress channel somewhere, staffed by some extremely tired white knights
14:41<MajObviousman>and that's where I would go ask about such things
14:41<passant>yes, there's is and i regret every ttime i log in there
14:41<binaryatrocity>hahaha
14:42<MajObviousman>this we can use
14:42<passant>seriously! i may be stupid for you guys but they are for me!
14:42<MajObviousman>one major way to judge a software is by the user base that gravitates toward it
14:42<MajObviousman>in this measure, wordpress must surely be circling the drain
14:43<passant>Wordpress is just an easy way for me, maybe becuase i got used to it and didnt use anything else
14:44<MajObviousman>don't settle
14:44<MajObviousman>you can find better for very little work
14:44<passant>like what?
14:44<MajObviousman>that's up to you
14:44<MajObviousman>passant: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/
14:44<MajObviousman>go to town
14:46<passant>is this all like wordpress!?
14:47<passant>wow, impressed
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15:08<shinji257>I think that malware author just new someone would look.
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16:39<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66659#p66659>
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16:48<MajObviousman>!wx awos
16:48<+linbot>MajObviousman: [metar] AWOS: not found
16:49<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66660#p66660>
16:51<MajObviousman>!wx tx89
16:51<+linbot>MajObviousman: [metar] TX89: not found
16:51<MajObviousman>nuts
16:51<relidy>!wx kggg
16:51<+linbot>relidy: [metar] OBS at KGGG: 78.8F/26C, visibility 10 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 81.83F (altimeter: 29.96) [KGGG 161953Z 11007KT 10SM BKN070 OVC080 26/18 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP141 T02560183 $]
16:52<relidy>Nice day out. Wish I wasn't stuck inside.
16:52<MajObviousman>fine
16:52<MajObviousman>!wx kdal
16:52<+linbot>MajObviousman: [metar] OBS at KDAL: 78.8F/26C, visibility 7 miles, wind 8.06 mph, chill 81.83F (altimeter: 29.93) [KDAL 161953Z 16007KT 7SM BKN032 BKN040 26/17 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP131 T02560172]
16:52<MajObviousman>!help wx
16:52<+linbot>MajObviousman: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://kovaya.com/wx.cgi?icao=$1&requester=$nick".
16:53<MajObviousman>who's is this?
16:53<MajObviousman>hmm, nevermind
16:54<MajObviousman>domains-by-proxy
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16:56<Peng>MajObviousman: Yaakov probably
16:56<MajObviousman>!seen yaakov
16:56<MajObviousman>hmm, not turned on
16:56<Peng>!seen great huge love
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17:29<+linbot>New news from forum: Email rejected by 1and1.com recipients - reverse DNS issue? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11749&p=66662#p66662>
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17:31<Ikaros>I used to have a pretty good weather script for IRC. Until my data source went pay-out-ass-for-use. :/
17:31<redbow>the linode diskspace is located in /dev/xvda ?
17:32<redbow>mysql crashed today because I didn't have disk space.. please help: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RPMntzTJ
17:34<arlen>you're using 99%
17:34<nate>redbow: If you didn't change the default config then yes, what do you expect us to be able to help with? You either need a bigger linode or you need to delete unnecessary stuff :P
17:34<nate>wait, you only gave your linode 1GB of space...?
17:35<nate>that... might kind of explain a lot :P
17:35<arlen>lol
17:35<redbow>I used the stackscript
17:35<Toba_>#devops
17:35<devilspgd>1.2GB might push the problem down the road a few days...
17:36<nate>redbow: Which stackscript?
17:36<redbow>how should I proceed from here?
17:36<redbow>LAMP stack
17:37<Toba_>you have no idea what you are doing do you
17:37<Toba_>not a judgement, just a question
17:37<redbow>No i'm not a sysadmin Toba
17:37<redbow>but in other areas I kick ass
17:38<nate>redbow: You configure the available HDD space yourself under the linode manager, I've never used stackscripts but pretty sure they don't touch that level
17:38<nate>which means you're the one that goofed up in giving yourself only 1GB of space (out of 23GB at minimum at least) :P
17:38<redbow>never touched anything.. simply used the script
17:39<nate>Who configured your linode then...?
17:39<redbow>the stackscript did
17:39<binaryatrocity>well regardless, you can shutdown your linode from the Manager, then resize your disk to use all of your unallocated space
17:39<binaryatrocity>that will give you like 20x the space you currently have :P
17:40<redbow>binaryatrocity should I expect issues? it can break right?
17:40<redbow>by the way, thanks for the help guys
17:41<arlen>could but probably won't
17:41<binaryatrocity>Never say never but I've never had issues resizing on Linode
17:41<binaryatrocity>if you are super concerned you can pay for a month of backup service and take a snapshot of your current disk first
17:41<nate>resizing -up- generally shouldn't have issues, but at the very least back up any of your critical things (such as your mysql database) locally first
17:42<nate>and by resizing up I mean the disk, not the plan
17:42<redbow>nate if I have a backup set up with linode I should be okay?
17:42<nate>You should be able to backup to that as far as I'm aware, but I'm not really familiar with the linode backups stuff
17:43<binaryatrocity>if you have a current snapshot with Linode's backup service you are golden
17:43<binaryatrocity>just as a note you can initiate a snapshot right now to make sure you aren't losing anything
17:45<Toba_>i would
17:45<Peng>be better to back up with it off :-\
17:45<redbow>I don't see where I can change the HDD.. there is my Configuration Profile but when I click edit nothing about HDD comes up. Any additional info?
17:46<redbow>Peng will do
17:46<nate>redbow: When you click on your linode and get into it's dashboard, you "Edit" an HDD
17:46<binaryatrocity>redbow: https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/disk-images-and-configuration-profiles#resizing-a-disk
17:46<nate>It'll probably say something like "OS Name disk" and below that "256MB Swap Image" or such
17:46<nate>or better yet click the link there :P
17:47<binaryatrocity>the beauty of well-written documentation!
17:50<redbow>guess this is it http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5hy7Vegv
17:51<binaryatrocity>48gb sounds better than 1.6
17:51<redbow>sure does
17:51<binaryatrocity>:D
17:51<binaryatrocity>leaving work so won't be around, hope that works out for ya, cheers all
17:51<redbow>thanks
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17:59<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66663#p66663>
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18:25<Yaakov>MajObviousman: I've seen Yaakov.
18:26<MajObviousman>you have?
18:26<MajObviousman>that fucker owes me money. Tell him to show up in here already
18:26<Yaakov>Yes, more than once and very recently.
18:26<MajObviousman>I missed it!
18:26<MajObviousman>gorramit
18:26<Yaakov>Oh, must be a different Yaakov.
18:26*MajObviousman doubts
18:27<Yaakov>What did you want to know?
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18:30<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66664#p66664>
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18:37<MajObviousman>Yaakov: is the metar lookup your site?
18:37<Yaakov>Yes.
18:37<MajObviousman>sweet.
18:37<MajObviousman>wait, I have a memory now ... of talking about this before with you.
18:38<Yaakov>I don't recall... but it's a perl program using Geo::METAR and scraping NWS.
18:39<Ikaros>When NWS servers want to work, anyway. Other day I couldn't get info because it was spitting up a MySQL error, lol
18:39<Peng>Mother Nature runs the earth on MySQL?
18:40<Ikaros>Apparently!
18:40<Ikaros>But that's our government for you
18:40<Yaakov>I can grab METAR from IDD but that would be more work.
18:40<Ikaros>Never can do IT correctly
18:40<Ikaros>Ever
18:41<Ikaros>Might as well be a .com instead of a .gov
18:42<Ikaros>Yaakov: Well, parsing the METAR itself is work anyway because the format is just different in places and then you have the missing data cases and the whole thing just lacks consistency.
18:42<Yaakov>Ikaros: Geo::METAR takes care of that, so I just let it.
18:42<Ikaros>Well if it does its job then that's all good
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18:48<makito>my sent email is going to outlook.com spam but it works just fine for gmail
18:48<makito>I have an spf record
18:48<makito>I have reverse dns
18:48<makito>I have DKIM
18:48<makito>and DMARC
18:48<makito>I'm not blacklisted
18:49<makito>any ideas why it is going to the outlook spam?
18:49<MajObviousman>are you sending spam?
18:49<MajObviousman>are you sending a whole lot of emails to outlook.com addresses?
18:49<makito>Nope. If I was. Don't you think gmail would block me too?
18:49<Ikaros>Neither matters with Microsoft.
18:50<MajObviousman>gmail will accept some spam for the purposes of study
18:50<makito>exactly the same email is being sent to outlook and gmail
18:50<Ikaros>I wouldn't worry about it.
18:50<MajObviousman>different companies, different policies
18:50<makito>I have a positive spamassassin score. and I have mail-tester score of 10/10
18:50<arlen>having all those doesn't mean you'll never end up in a spam folder
18:50<MajObviousman>could be outlook.com's heuristics are triggering on the contents of your email some how
18:51<makito>http://www.mail-tester.com/
18:51<MajObviousman>it could be outlook.com is having a freak-out
18:51<Ikaros>MajObviousman: That's the whole thing.
18:51<MajObviousman>there's a lot of could-be's that we can't know
18:51*Ikaros shrugs
18:51<makito>Like what? lol. I mean I have everything set up
18:51<arlen>ok
18:52<makito>The only thing I can thing of is that the mail server is new
18:52<Ikaros>If it were me, I'd say no action necessary, if you've already done all the necessary setup and you've verified it's all there.
18:52<makito>maybe I need to build up some reputation with hotmail.
18:52<Ikaros>Well
18:52<makito>Yeah it's all there. I'm surprised hotmail has strict rules
18:52<makito>even more so than gmail
18:53<Ikaros>Well, not strict, just really sensitive
18:53<Ikaros>As long as you know for sure you've done all the needed steps and can verify all the applicable records are set in DNS, etc then you're fine.
18:54<Ikaros>Can't really change how sensitive some email provider spam filters are.
18:54<makito>Agreed
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18:54<makito>Yeah I have verified with many different tools that I'm doing everything correctly
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18:55<Ikaros>Then it's fine. Outlook/Hotmail's system is quite a ways more sensitive, I've had many things hit the junk pile instead of the inbox on mine, and 99% of those are actual legit emails.
18:57<makito>Yeah it's a little annoying tbh, but yeah what can I do.
18:57<makito>I'm just hoping as the server build a reputation with hotmail, it will not go to spam
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18:58<makito>how do i check headers in gmail?
19:00<jdlspeedy>makito, there is a down arrow next to the reply button
19:00<jdlspeedy>click view original
19:00<makito>thanks!
19:01<jdlspeedy>click show original*
19:01<makito>when google sends out email
19:02<makito>It send it in both text/plain
19:02<makito>and text/html
19:02<makito>Is this necessary at all?
19:02<MajObviousman>it's become the standard
19:02<MajObviousman>to support both styles of clients
19:02<makito>I see. Hmm. Maybe I should do this
19:03<makito>gmail doesn't even use dkim or spf, but then again it doesn't matter for them
19:04<Ikaros>No, they check SPF
19:06<makito>Yes
19:07<makito>but they don't send with an spf record. It doesn't show in the headers, atleast
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19:09<makito>nvm it does
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19:09<Ikaros>Well I have to correct you on that as well, mail I've received *from* a Google address, either a Gmail or other Google thing, it at least has SPF in the headers.
19:09<Ikaros>Yeah I was about to say
19:10<makito>but only if it's sending to a different server
19:10<+linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request: Longview Pro for a single server in Feature Request/Bug Report <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11750&p=66665#p66665>
19:10<makito>Yeah if gmail sends to gmail then it doesn't
19:10<smozgur>hi, I made some installation/settings attempts in my first linode. I will simply restart experiencing more tomorrow. What happens if I delete this linode? My payments counting stops? Is that ok to delete it? I will basically start from scratch tomorrow, so I don't need the server content or installation or settings.
19:11<smozgur>thank you.
19:17<dzho>it all goes away, yes
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19:52<Eugene>Cool. Linode sends "why did you close your account?" surveys.
19:53<pronto>because they didn't give me free bacon :/
19:53<pronto>f those guys
19:53<pronto>srsly
19:53<Eugene>I typed in "Because I moved all my servers to my other account"
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20:31<zifnab>question: is there some easy way to flush the dns cache on linux
20:31<zifnab>specifically, ubuntu
20:31<zifnab>without doing a 'service networking restart'
20:32<Peng>Depends on your DNS cache.
20:32<Peng>And, of course, there's not necessarily a way to flush your upstream recursive servers.
20:32<zifnab>(the upstream resolver is me, i typo'd something)
20:33<zifnab>its for a .int entry
20:33<Peng>zifnab: If you're running DNSMasq you can HUP it to flush the cache.
20:33<zifnab>guess i'm not
20:34<zifnab>only thing with 'ns' in the name running is 'netns'
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20:35<zifnab>meh its only an hour
20:35<zifnab>i can wait
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22:14<makito>suo
22:14<makito>sup*
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22:14<Eugene>The only thing that would cache would be your resolver
22:14<Eugene>So.... whatever has your .int defined
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22:19<makito>Is anyone here able to successfully send email to hotmail.com and bypasst the spam filter without the user marking the email as safe?
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22:22<kyhwana>you can't bypass the spam filter, it'll go through the spam filter and it'll each drop it, mark as spam or mark as ham
22:23<makito>Thanks for the fixing the error in technicality that no one cares about.
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22:31<kyhwana>Your welcome
22:38<akerl>makito: Did you bother checking why your email is being considered spam?
22:38<makito>I used that mail-test.com tool
22:38<akerl>No
22:38<makito>I passed with flying colors. 10/10, son.
22:39<akerl>I don't care what some site says is/isn't the problem
22:39<makito>Okay
22:39<makito>then how can I check "why it is being considered spam"?
22:39<akerl>I feel like we're looping. As I told you yesterday, and probably 7 times before that: check the logs and headers
22:39<@mmustac>error message from the remote server is a good place to start
22:40<akerl>their SMTP server sends a code to your server, and they add in all sorts of fun headers on the delivered message
22:41<makito>akerl, I don't think you were paying attention yesterday. I told you that I checked the logs. It didn't say anything. Do you know what's going on or don't you?
22:41<@mmustac>he does, trust me
22:41<makito>Are able to bypass the spam filter at hotmail? Probably not so let me get help from someone who knows what they are doing
22:41<akerl>Have fun
22:42<nate>makito: The fact you keep calling it 'bypassing' kind of implies to me you're going at it a horribly wrong way probably
22:42<nate>If you could so easily "bypass" a spam filter, it'd be a pretty stupid spam filter
22:42<makito>I mean I can call it being marked as ham if you helps you sleep better at night.
22:43<akerl>You can call it whatever, but until you actually figure out why it's happening you aren't going to be able to fix it. And, as with yesterday, you read half of my recommendation, said "that part looks fine", didn't show what code they're returning to you, and totally ignored the other 50% of my sugestion
22:44<akerl>which doesn't bode well for your ability to either accept feedback or solve the problem
22:45<makito>The header looked the same as it did when I sent an email to gmail (which marked my email as ham) so yes it did look fine.
22:46<akerl>:|
22:46<akerl>"fine"
22:46<akerl>Again, you're skipping over the part where you actually show something rather than just declaring "it's fine"
22:47<akerl>Given that you have not solved or identified the issue, maybe you should offer up the actual underlying data and let us take a look to see if it looks as "fine" as you believe
22:52<rg>i ran into this article on how to setup a linode... and i seek your opinion ... do you know of a better article on how to setup a linode (for general purpose use)
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23:01<+linbot>New news from forum: Linux Container Query in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11747&p=66666#p66666>
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23:09<dwfreed>p=66666
23:09<dwfreed>heh
23:13<@mmustac>rekt
23:14<SlosHeD>fhebeirh34ubr3u4htuedgeyadffggggjjjhjgghhvzghbjnkklkkjhytrqwdbxcshjuii
23:14<dwfreed>SlosHeD: nice keyboard cat
23:14<nate>plot twist, SlosHeD just had a seizure and dwfreed is making fun of him
23:17<virtual>or time to change a password.
23:20<nate>ew who would make a password purely of a-z0-9
23:20<nate>higher unicode passwords > *
23:20<nate>nothing says password like ½ÐÒ瘔îïý¡Ò´½è~Úôû÷~¹¿Öø±ïš
23:20<nate>>.>
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23:27<virtual>nate: :P
23:28<nate>(tbh I actually do usually use passes like that if a service allows it)
23:28<nate>Though I actually broke the army's mail system using a password like that
23:28<nate>I lol'd a bit
23:29<virtual>heh.
23:30<virtual>I hate it when I have to disable symbols in my password generator.
23:30<nate>Did you see my recent rockstar rant?
23:30<virtual>no...
23:30<virtual>when?
23:31<nate>I currently have a 20-character password with rockstar social club thingy (For GTA), made up of a-zA-Z0-9 and a bunch of special characters (I made the account like 2 or 3 years ago if not longer)
23:31<nate>so GTA V comes out, I log in, and it tells me my password is too weak and needs to be changed, I'm like "lol okay what the hell"
23:31<nate>try to change it, tells me I can't make a -new- password longer than 16 characters a-zA-Z0-9 only
23:31<nate>lol
23:31<nate>so my current password is somehow too weak despite being stronger than their new limited requirement :P
23:32<virtual>hahaha
23:32<nate>needless to say I didn't even bother changing it since it still, amusingly, works
23:33<virtual>Are you new to GTA V?
23:33<nate>Yeah, PC release :P
23:33<virtual>ahh, of course.
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23:34<@mmustac>wait thats finally come out for PC?
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23:35<virtual>A few months now, I think. With improved graphics compared to PS3/Xbox360 versions.
23:35<arlen>no it just came out
23:35<virtual>I have it on the PS3. It takes about 4 days to load.
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23:35<virtual>only now? Weird. I thought it came out at the same time as PS4 / Xbox 1
23:36<arlen>yup, Tuesday this week
23:37<virtual>I kinda wish it was on Mac too. Can't be bothered to reboot into Windows.
23:37<virtual>the bonus here is that I don't play games very much.
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23:41<nate>mmustac: A few days ago yeah it came out on PC
23:42<@mmustac>cool, a game I hear is amazing is actually playable now...might have get on that
23:43<virtual>I'm unsure if I'm getting old (well, clearly I'm getting older), or if they're pushing the boundaries a bit too far for me.
23:44<virtual>I did play GTA V, but, sheesh, the violence... :)
23:44<nate>virtual: But that makes it so much fun :P
23:44<nate>virtual: For what it's worth, you might wanna look into LCPD:FR, lol
23:44<virtual>heh. Hey, I still finished the game.
23:45<virtual>don't know what that is. looking now..
23:45<nate>It's an old GTA IV mod (which they're aiming to port to GTA V) which basically up-ends the game 'environment'
23:45<nate>Lets you play as a cop
23:45<nate>and do actual police/fire/etc services, lol
23:45<virtual>Do you die very quickly?
23:45<nate>nah, I was a part of the project, it was pretty impressive
23:46<nate>they implemented like a full-on police emulator basically
23:46<nate>respond to call-outs, pull cars over, join in pursuits, etc
23:46<virtual>I think it would be cool to be a 'good guy' in a GTA style game next. :)
23:46<nate>Basically a groups way of trying to show GTA doesn't always have to be completely bad :P
23:46<virtual>Yep - looks good actually.
23:47<virtual>Then again, I play Borderlands. And that's pretty much "kill anything that moves".
23:48<virtual>hmm. I seem to have deleted a git submodule incorrectly. Trying to add a totally new repo is not working.
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23:52<virtual>hmm. no. I did it right, you have to delete the .git/modules/dir/<module> dir. seems a bit complicated.
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