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---Logopened Fri Apr 17 00:00:37 2015
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02:14<dinso>้ร
02:15<dinso>hi
02:15<dinso>I have problems with the login for my website.
02:16<dinso>I install php extension php5-fpm php5-mysql
02:17<dinso>login error 500
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02:35<+linbot>New news from forum: How to implement and configure MLS (BLP model) in SELinux? in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11751&p=66667#p66667>
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02:45<+linbot>New news from forum: Need recommendation in Sales Questions and Answers <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11737&p=66668#p66668>
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03:06<+linbot>New news from forum: Postfix + Dovecot + MySQL + Amazon SES in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11752&p=66669#p66669>
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03:41<md_5>any idea when singapore is coming? Late april is last official announce
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03:48<Peng>probably late April :P
03:48<virtual>heh
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04:57<makito>sup
05:01<virtual>allo
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07:06<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66670#p66670>
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07:26<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66671#p66671>
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07:42<Amit_>hi
07:43<Amit_>can i make payment in linode via netbanking ?
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07:43<@alexf>I'm not familiar with that term, but I assume you mean direct withdraw, so no.
07:46<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66672#p66672>
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07:56<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66673#p66673>
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09:37<fochi>Good morning. I need some help with cPanel. Is there a way to backup only the website contents (and NOT email) on our old cPanel server and restore it on our new Linode?
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10:27<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11744&p=66674#p66674>
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11:14<toothe>Hi, is anyone here from Linode's security?
11:15<HedgeMage>toothe: this is community chat
11:15<toothe>oh.
11:15<HedgeMage>toothe: we'll help with what we can. The official support is through the ticketing system.
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11:19<pronto>http://i.imgur.com/LVLgU06.jpg snortys have invaded my desk!
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11:20<epipen>hey guys
11:20<epipen>noob here
11:20<epipen>i need to set up another user on my linode and like
11:20<epipen>i forgot my root password
11:20<epipen>i can only get in as a user and i cant do sudo root because i forgot the password for this user too
11:20<epipen>lol
11:20<epipen>can anybody help me out
11:22<relidy>epipen: You can reset your root password in the Manager, on the "Rescue" tab for the proper Linode.
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11:28<epipen>very cool and then what do I do?
11:28<epipen>how do I just ssh into my linode as root
11:28<epipen>i am so stupid i just need to make another user
11:32<epipen>i tried to ssh and it said my public keys were bogus
11:32<relidy>epipen: If you haven't disabled SSH access as root, you can just SSH right in as root and do whatever you need, including changing your normal user's password. If you have disabled SSH as root, you'll probably want to connect via Lish to your machine. You can find instructions for that at the bottom of the "Remote Access" tab for your Linode.
11:33<relidy>!lish epipen
11:33<+linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/using-lish-the-linode-shell
11:34<epipen>i tried to ssh into root
11:34<epipen>so i must have disabled it
11:35<epipen>nice i am in via ish
11:35<epipen>thanks
11:35<epipen>now i can make a new user
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11:45<epipen>dudes
11:45<epipen>hello
11:45<epipen>so i disabled password auth and i want to let my new user go into the linode
11:45<epipen>what do i need to do
11:46<jstewart>epipen: did you set up key based authentication yet?
11:46<jstewart>https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server#using-ssh-key-pair-authentication
11:47<epipen>i did not
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11:47<epipen>i dont know how
11:47<jstewart>That link I just provided walks you through it step by step.
11:47<epipen>thank u
11:51<epipen>ok
11:51<epipen>so we still cant ssh
11:51<epipen>even though we were able to scp the public key to the box
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11:56<epipen>wut should i do
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11:58<relidy>epipen: Did you follow all the directions in that guide? Specifically, the public key needs to be in a very specific location and the permission on the file and containing folder are important.
12:00<epipen>yah ok let me try that i mean we already have a public key on this computer so we tried just scp it
12:00<epipen>we didnt generate a new public key
12:00<epipen>because we didnt wnat to fuck anyting up
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12:10<epipen>the public we already have is in that locaiton
12:10<epipen>and we just wanted to like
12:10<epipen>send it up
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12:31<SNy>epipen: You can't ssh but were able to scpà the public key? How'd you do that?
12:33<Scub>magics
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12:39<epipen>yeah i dont know
12:39<epipen>i will try this again later
12:39<epipen>thank you for all of your help!
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13:00<+linbot>New news from forum: How to setup DNS for sending clean emails from my site? in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11741&p=66675#p66675>
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13:20<+linbot>New news from forum: How to setup DNS for sending clean emails from my site? in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11741&p=66676#p66676>
13:23<@caker>how to verb
13:25<atrus>some one set us up the dns?
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13:40<+linbot>New news from forum: How to setup DNS for sending clean emails from my site? in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11741&p=66677#p66677>
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14:38<lol>anyone?
14:39<@caker>yup
14:40<+linbot>New news from forum: How to setup DNS for sending clean emails from my site? in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11741&p=66679#p66679>
14:41<lol>Does anyone know how to move linode from US to Japan?
14:41<Toba_>go to the datacenter and steal the machine your vm is on
14:41<akerl>Step 1) ask Linode for a migration. Step 2) hit the button
14:42<Karrde>bad Toba, no Linode
14:42<Toba_>oh hey Karrde
14:42<Karrde>yo
14:42<Toba_>how's life
14:42<Karrde>slow today
14:42<Karrde>you?
14:42<Toba_>taking a short break to irc
14:42<Toba_>deadline today
14:42<Toba_>almost there
14:42<Toba_>stressing out a bit
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14:46<lol>30% packet loss to linode, omg
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14:47<akerl>Welcome to the internet
14:47<akerl>population: everyone
14:47<lol>and they sold out of Linodes in Tokyo
14:48<Toba_>you won't be able to move one to tokyo right now then
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15:14<ventsislav>hi there, where i can chat with support and ask for a few thing about the hosting
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15:14<@caker>you can chat here, with the community -- or you can contact Linode: https://www.linode.com/contact
15:15<Guest2338>i would like to know how many websites I could have on a VPS
15:15<@caker>between 1 and billions (literally) - it depends on many factors
15:15<Guest2338>currently i have VPS with GIGAS with Plesk panel and can manage uo to domains
15:16<Guest2338>up to 10 domain
15:16<Guest2338>am talking about micro wordpress websites
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15:17<@caker>It's really quite impossible to answer, because it depends on so many factors
15:17<@caker>My usual recommendation is to start with a small-ish Linode, and go from there
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15:18<Guest2338>I am asking becasue I need to be able to have at leats 8-10 domains on a single VPS
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15:20<Guest2338>is there a direct chat with the support staff
15:20<Guest2338>i am very new here, landed today to the website of this hosting provider :)
15:21<@caker>cool
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15:21<asdasd>Anyone there?
15:21<Guest2338>and the documentation is so ESTENSIVE and I like it
15:21<@caker>well, we've been doing this a long time. They're going to tell you the exact same thing -- that it's an impossible question to answer
15:21<asdasd>Miaw
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15:22<@caker>Start with a small Linode, and see how it goes. You can always resize the Linode larger, or move to NodeBalancers and scale out
15:22<Guest2338>OK I can add as many domain I want to my PANEL
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15:23<Guest2338>:)
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15:30<MajObviousman>yagni principle
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16:02<zifnab>you can host one caker of websites on a linode
16:02<Karrde>it's rude to talk about someone's weight
16:02<pronto>linode is full-stack web-scale next-gen computing
16:02<zifnab>ol
16:02<warewolf>WARNING: BUZZWORD COMPLIANT
16:02<zifnab>lol*
16:03<zifnab>its wireless!
16:03<zifnab>(technically aren't VMs wireless?)
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16:44<tonyyarusso>warewolf: I had to read Oracle product materials this morning. You have a long way to go to catch up on buzzword density. :P
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16:52<SNy>tonyyarusso: 6 out of 9 words of a sentence seems pretty high density for me. :P
16:53<SNy>Would likely look funny in Sans Bullshit Sans as it is.
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16:55<SNy>Heh. It doesn't, actually. Interesting, neither of those terms trigger it. :P
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18:41<+linbot>New news from forum: Linode Images (beta) in Current Betas <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11180&p=66680#p66680>
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20:49<makito>Akerl, when sending email to hotmail, does the header in the message matter at all?
20:51<HoopyCat>with hotmail, only thing that really matters is whether you've sent in the paperwork for them to accept mail from you
20:52<makito>Thanks for that
20:52<makito>I think that's true
20:52<makito>cause I've read their mail.live documentation, and it talks about partnering with ReturnPath
20:53<makito>quite pricey, but confirms my suspicion.
20:53<makito>thanks for the help
20:53<HoopyCat>makito: https://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx
20:53<makito>yep I read that
20:54<makito>that's so frustrating
20:54<makito>gmail doesn't do that
20:54<HoopyCat>indeed, gmail doesn't document it nearly as well as that
20:54<makito>Virtual linked it to me. Quite helpful
20:54<akerl>did you read the headers, or are we still just bullshitting?
20:55<makito>... I already told you I read the headers, my friend.
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20:55<makito>HoopyCat, I don't think gmail requires paperwork
20:55<pholley>does it make sense (or possible), to use DNS manager to handle resolution of private ips?
20:55<Peng>pholley: Sure.
20:56<Peng>pholley: If you don't mind your private IPs being public, anyay.
20:56<Peng>anyway
20:56<trippeh>I.. think I should limit my home tor relay somewhat: http://www.tomt.net/temp/if_eth0-weekly.png
20:56<pholley>by public, you mean the linode DNS manager is backed by a global dns used by all linode clients, so anyone could query it for my records?
20:57<trippeh>poor residential ISP
20:57<James_T>lol
20:57<staticsafe>inb4 trippeh gets a call from his ISP
20:58<HoopyCat>pholley: the DNS is, indeed, a global hierarchical database, so in general, anyone can query any record...
20:58<James_T>pholley: only if they actually know the records to query for
20:58<James_T>:P
20:58<James_T>but they won't resolve to anything interesting
20:58<trippeh>staticsafe: pfft, its only 4-5TB a day.
20:58<makito>Akerl, are you able to successfully send email to hotmail?
20:58<James_T>lol trippeh
20:58<James_T>trippeh: don't limit it until you get a call
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20:58<pholley>what would my /etc/resolv record be to reach that DNS?
20:59<pholley>ns1.linode.com? etc
20:59<HoopyCat>pholley: set /etc/resolv.conf to use your normal resolvers. if you set it to use the IP addresses of ns*.linode.com, you're going to have a bad day. those servers only know about domains known to the DNS Manager.
20:59<staticsafe>you are misunderstanding how DNS works, the values in /etc/resolv.conf are recursive DNS servers, ns1-5.linode.com are authoritative DNS servers
21:00<pholley>ah
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21:00*HoopyCat has no idea when he last sent mail to hotmail
21:00<James_T>lol
21:00<HoopyCat>5 weeks ago
21:00<pholley>so i’d have to switch my domain name servers over, and use it like any other DNS setup
21:01<pholley>there a better way to go about this?
21:01<HoopyCat>(i don't think the recipient got it, because he was surprised when i brought up the content of the e-mail a week later.)
21:01<pholley>outside of syncing /etc/hosts all over
21:01<makito>I see
21:01<makito>Hotmail problems
21:01<pholley>i suppose the other downfall of DNS route, is changes aren’t instant
21:01<+linbot>New news from forum: High traffic Magento in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10081&p=66682#p66682>
21:01<makito>virtual was telling me the same thing
21:02<Peng>pholley: Basically they invented DNS to solve the "syncing /etc/hosts all over" problem. so...
21:02<makito>You can send to gmail, right?
21:02<HoopyCat>pholley: you could do it as a subdomain. a query for cheese-server.internal.example.com would follow NS records from . -> com -> example.com -> internal.example.com
21:02<trippeh>James_T: the contract does say unlimited ..
21:02<Peng>!dns6 ntp3.atl0.mattnordhoff.net
21:03<+linbot>Peng: 2600:3c02::13:220, 192.168.139.254
21:03<pholley>Peng: sure, but in abscence of a HA setup, i can’t wait an hour for host names to propogate, and something like zookeeper is overkill
21:03<James_T>trippeh: indeed
21:03<James_T>trippeh: is that using 100%?
21:03<HoopyCat>makito: well, it was a "you owe me money" thing, so i wouldn't put too much stock in the recipient's lack of awareness of the e-mail :-)
21:03<makito>Haha I see
21:03<makito>lol you should have mentioned that
21:04<trippeh>James_T: nope, thats only traffic the tor consensus wants to send my way
21:04<James_T>oh cool
21:04<HoopyCat>makito: i'm scrolling back to see when the last time i e-mailed someone at hotmail was...
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21:04<makito>Kk
21:04<makito>I'm just curious if you are successfully able to send (the email is being marked as ham)
21:04<pholley>if nodebalancers supported private ip, i could just let it handle it
21:05<Peng>pholley: how about IPv6?
21:05<trippeh>James_T: not sure how much more the mac mini can handle though. tor is burning cpu
21:05<HoopyCat>makito: february 2013!
21:05<HoopyCat>makito: i... don't really know many people who use hotmail
21:05<pholley>hmm?
21:06<James_T>lol
21:06<James_T>trippeh: find a more powerful computer. you really need to max that connection out
21:06<Peng>pholley: NodeBalancers support IPv6 on the front end.
21:06<HoopyCat>makito: in any case, i do not do my own e-mail any more; cheaper to pay $40/year/user to fastmail than to roll my own
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21:07<pholley>not sure how much ipv6 is supported throughout stack, and may be my lack of v6 knowledge, but that still doesn’t solve internal routing?
21:07<makito>I see
21:07<makito>Thanks for your help though
21:08<makito>The header information shouldn't matter much, right? I create my own headers through php
21:08<makito>I wonder how big of an issue that could be
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21:09<HoopyCat>makito: probably not, but only microsoft will know why a particular message wasn't delivered
21:09<trippeh>these big mail providers do like it if you got your SPF, matching reverse dns, and DKIM headers configured
21:10<makito>Mhm. I may contact them
21:10<makito>trippeh, I have all those things
21:10<makito>Gmail accepts my email just fine
21:10<trippeh>makito: verified for both ipv4 and ipv6?
21:11<makito>I don't know if I am using ipv6
21:12<makito>Do I need to configure ipv6?
21:12<trippeh>a common mistake is that systems often deliver by ipv6 by default, but the dns stuff is not set up for it.
21:12<HoopyCat>gmail will use IPv6, but i think hotmail is still stuck on legacy IP
21:12<HoopyCat>(from a quick gander at DNS)
21:12<makito>Does Linode do it by default?
21:13<makito>I see
21:14<trippeh>HoopyCat: looks like it yeah. even their outlook stuff is still v4 only.
21:14<HoopyCat>linode does support IPv6, and most applications will do IPv6 by default, only falling back to legacy IP if necessary
21:14<makito>I see
21:14<makito>Could this be an issue?
21:14<trippeh>probably not for hotmail - YET.
21:15<makito>kk
21:15<trippeh>but gmail will be more likely to classify as spam
21:15<HoopyCat>hotmail has more issues than the new york times
21:15<makito>thanks for the info
21:15<makito>for sure, bro
21:15<HoopyCat>trippeh: is possible that setup is correct for IPv6 but not for legacy IP
21:15<HoopyCat>bizarro world is bizarro
21:15<trippeh>HoopyCat: hehe yeah.
21:15<makito>yeah so maybe I should configure for legacy?
21:16<makito>What do you think? cause gmail is marking my mail as ham
21:16<trippeh>makito: best to have both under control.
21:16<makito>kk thanks
21:16<HoopyCat>makito: send an e-mail to hoopycat@ryantucker.us. that'll go through a legacy-only route
21:16<makito>Okay I will
21:16<makito>Btw. hotmail accepts my email, but just marks it as spam
21:17<makito>would hotmail block it all together if it wasn't configured properly?
21:18<HoopyCat>naw, that would be useful
21:18<HoopyCat>(and would make the spam folder rather sparse for users)
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21:19<makito>interesting
21:19<makito>kk I'll send the email
21:20<trippeh>James_T: tor is awful at multicore scaling. I could try running two instances, one per core.
21:20<James_T>lol yeah
21:20<HoopyCat>trippeh: i think someone tried to write a relay thinger in go, but ended up failing because the crypto was full of eels
21:21<HoopyCat>trippeh: i saw it on hackernews once while i was waiting for a spectrum analyzer to warm up
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21:21<trippeh>;)
21:23<trippeh>work just sent me a 1TB Samsung 850 Pro SSD .. hmmmmm.
21:24<trippeh>need to find something to use it for
21:24<trippeh>that "3D MLC" crazyness.
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21:25<HoopyCat>cache
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21:25<Eugene>Fill it with cat photos.
21:25<trippeh>10 year warranty. madness
21:26<HoopyCat>trippeh: http://imgur.com/a/zggHS ... looks like they only have 512 GBs, drat
21:28<trippeh>cute
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21:30<trippeh>HoopyCat: one of those "drives in the ass" supermicros?
21:31<HoopyCat>trippeh: looks like junk in the trunk
21:32<trippeh>\o/
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21:36<HoopyCat>trippeh: it's over in building 17, on the floor between the chip fab/cleanrooms and the mission control/radio room for space missions
21:36<Guest2370>Hi, this is my first time here
21:37<trippeh>HoopyCat: one ceveat about those drives: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=6fc4d97a4987c5d247655a157a9377996626221a
21:37<HoopyCat>trippeh: i used to eat my lunch in that building, in the hopes of absorbing awesometrons
21:37<HoopyCat>Guest2370: hi!
21:38<trippeh>HoopyCat: queued TRIMs make them go funky.
21:39<HoopyCat>trippeh: ooh fun.
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21:39<trippeh>the blacklist entry is still making it to -stable and distros
21:39<trippeh>so beware of I/O errors
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21:41<HoopyCat>trippeh: eh, my SSDs are nowhere near as awesome
21:42<HoopyCat>trippeh: i seem to recall having a 850 in my work PC, but it runs windows, so i'm lucky if it is more performant than a thumb drive
21:42<Eugene>That's a great variable name
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21:42<Eugene>Or is that a constant? My C is rusty
21:45<HoopyCat>Eugene: the horkage? probably either a #define or a const enumeration
21:45<Eugene>Yeah
21:46<HoopyCat>depending on the dot product of when you learned to code and how old your compiler is
21:49<HoopyCat>if the build instructions start with "please insert disk 1 of code composer studio into your A: drive", say goodbye to your const
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