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---Logopened Fri Aug 28 00:00:22 2015
00:13<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Debian 4 System Fails to Boot <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12198&p=68286#p68286>
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03:13<dcraig>another method?
03:14<DXtheExceller>hey guys
03:14<dcraig>hi, I like excel, too
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03:15<DXtheExceller>LOL
03:16<dcraig>though trying to select cells in excel 2013 is a bit too 'fluid'
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04:04<nick1983>wat up
04:04<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • longview installation problems <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12211&p=68287#p68287>
04:05*dcraig tickles nick1983 around a bit with a large ayu
04:05<nick1983>eww
04:05<dcraig>no, ayu
04:06<nick1983>hows it hanging
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04:10<dcraig>moderately
04:10<dcraig>u?
04:11<nick1983>low
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04:12<dcraig>sorry
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05:14<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • longview installation problems <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12211&p=68288#p68288>
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05:22<honeysingh>Hello?
05:22<honeysingh>Need some help? anyone available?
05:22<AndroUser>Hellow support
05:23<honeysingh>Have installed ssl on apache 2 and since the i am unable to track devices through apache access log
05:24*honeysingh slaps ddevault around a bit with a large fishbot
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05:25<honeysingh>someone there?
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05:29<aplusphilic>Hellow
05:30<aplusphilic>I anyone in here to provide support
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05:34<nick1983>support?
05:34<nick1983>whats wrong
05:36<aplusphilic>Well nothing is wrong but I want to create a site to site VPN tunnel with one of my vendors
05:36<aplusphilic>What I'm asking is if I you guys are providing the service
05:37<Kyhwana>?
05:37<Kyhwana>aplusphilic: linode sells unmanaged VPSes
05:37<Kyhwana>you could order a VPS and install your vpn stuff yourself
05:39<aplusphilic>I know I can achieve this using software based like openswan but my vendor does not allow software based solution
05:40<aplusphilic>so if there is any kind of hardware solution or a way to lease hardware and create VPN with my provide
05:40<aplusphilic>*provider
05:44<@jackley>aplusphilic: unfortunately, no, we don't have any type of service like that.
05:45<Kyhwana>uh, then your vendor is an idiot. What do you think "hardware" runs?
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05:55<nick1983>hardware made in PRC tunnel all traffic back to the great firewall
05:56<nick1983>no software needed
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06:15<hercules>hello
06:15<hercules>hello
06:17<@mmustac>hai
06:18<hercules>frm which place
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06:47<HoopyCat>current status: http://i.imgur.com/rFszXC3.gifv
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07:59<jeremy>hello
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08:00<Guest3903>anyon here?
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08:02<@Rainbow>Guest3903, This is a community support channel. Please voice your question and someone may be along to help shortly.
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08:06<Guest3903>Console Access Lish via Ajaxterm Launch Lish Ajax Console » "/etc/httpd/conf.d/vhost.conf" file
08:07<Guest3903>display permission denied
08:08<Guest3903>and what shoud i do next
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08:09<Guest3903>hello
08:09<Guest3903>anyone here
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08:14<Guest3903>Console Access Lish via Ajaxterm Launch Lish Ajax Console » enter "/etc/httpd/conf.d/vhost.conf"
08:14<Guest3903>and display permission denied
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09:01<akerl>Yes
09:02<akerl>that is a text file, you're not going to be able to run it as a command
09:02<akerl>If you want to edit it, use a text editor
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09:13<beryl>hey oh anyone able to help? Was wondering if you allow vps's with more than one ipv4 ip, and also how much do linode charge for ips?
09:13<akerl>!ips
09:13<+linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
09:14<beryl>@akerl thanks
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09:47<+linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Graphical Console (beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12212&p=68289#p68289>
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09:57<trippeh>madness!
09:57<@Rainbow>OSNAP \o/
09:58<+linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Graphical Console (beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12212&p=68290#p68290>
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10:05<mustmodify_>I'm cloning a server. What's the difference between cloning the swap image vs not? If I don't, will it create a blank swap image faster?
10:06<mustmodify_>or is it irrelevant?
10:06-!-mustmodify_ is now known as mustmodify
10:06<mustmodify>stupid nickname
10:07<akerl>If you don't clone the swap image, you need to make a swap image, and it all depends if you secretly have been putting things in the swap image
10:08<mustmodify>I have not. :P
10:08<mustmodify>So what I'm hearing from you is that the easiest thing would be to check that box, because if I don't, I'll have to do work later.
10:08<Eugene>mustmodify - the swap image is by definition not holding of real data, so you can make a new one instead of cloning. But... you have to make a new one
10:08<akerl>Or just don't use swap
10:09<Eugene>I've been running without any swap at all for the past 5 years; works fine.
10:09<Eugene>If you're swapping the server is already broken
10:11<mustmodify>right, I tend not to have any swap activity. Though once there was some data there and a Rackspace guy told me some programs used swap space for non-swap activity. So who knows. Anyway, interesting. "Destination" field is empty for me. https://url.upwork.com/_01oI6CTYNHYSt59HSUSmzgxItvPwFFNpEV
10:11<akerl>Do you not have any Linodes in the same datacenter
10:11<mustmodify>can you rephrase?
10:12<akerl>You have a Linode
10:12<mustmodify>sure
10:12<akerl>yes?
10:12<mustmodify>yes
10:12<akerl>And you have another Linode, which is where you want to clone the disk to, yes?
10:12<mustmodify>919312
10:12<mustmodify>Oh
10:12<mustmodify>no
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10:12<akerl>So... where were you expecting to clone to?
10:12<mustmodify>I just wanted to make another one.
10:12<mustmodify>to a blank one
10:12<akerl>Feel free to make another one
10:12<mustmodify>gotcha
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10:18<+linbot>New news from docs: Using the Graphic Shell (Glish) - BETA <https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-graphic-shell-glish>
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10:31<grawity>why is it not called "Glitch"
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10:38<@caker>thanks, jerk
10:38<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • How do I setup my Linode without a domain? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12213&p=68293#p68293> || Current Betas • Graphical Console (beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12212&p=68292#p68292>
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10:40<Cromulent>heh
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10:58<+linbot>New news from forum: Current Betas • Graphical Console (beta) <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12212&p=68295#p68295>
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11:19<Nivex>Destkop Enhanced Linode SHell (DELISH) Nom! :P
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11:45<warewolf>graphical console?
11:45<warewolf>oh god, the winodes are coming.
11:47<@ccravens>It wasn't a decision anyone made... it was just a natural synergy of technologies, and suddenly you can install Win3.1.
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11:55<Eugene>s/coming/here/
11:56<Eugene>I've had one since May
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12:15<@Rainbow>suddenly: OS/2
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12:34<Celti>I'm waiting for TempleOS, personally.
12:34<Celti>:-p
12:35<Intensity>Hi. I'm wondering if the "Cannot Direct Disk boot a disk with no MBR: Kernel not found" error implies that a GPT-partitioned image won't work under Direct-Disk and Full-Virtualization mode, and that I need to restructure the image to be MBR-based.
12:40<@Rainbow>Intensity, it does not. My FreeBSD Linode uses GPT :) What that means, is that KVM must be able to find a bootable disk with a usable bootloader.
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12:41<Theo_>hi
12:41<Theo_>anyone from linode i can chat with in regards to hosting
12:43<@Rainbow>!ask
12:43<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
12:43<Intensity>@Rainbow: Cool, thanks for the information.
12:44<@Rainbow>Intensity, glad to help! May I ask what you're specifically trying to get running?
12:47<Theo_>how many servers do you guys have in asia and which places?
12:51<Cromulent>Theo_: I don't think Linode release the number of hosts they have in each data centre but they do have locations in singapore and tokyo
12:52<Theo_>do speeds vary between locations
12:52<Theo_>my current host is slow
12:53<Cromulent>!speedtest
12:53<+linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
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12:53<Cromulent>Theo_: the bandwidth available for each plan is shown on the pricing page
12:53<Cromulent>!pricing
12:53<+linbot>https://www.linode.com/pricing
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13:04<linode_customer>hi guys
13:05<arlen>hi
13:05<linode_customer>i wanna ask about the List of OS provided by linode?
13:05<linode_customer>are debian 6 avail?
13:05<linode_customer>*is
13:07<arlen>https://www.linode.com/distributions but you can run whatever you want
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13:32<xand>what method is not allowed for accessing this channel?
13:32<psandin>tor
13:32<Eugene>Tor, mostly.
13:33<xand>oh OK
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15:14<Jack9>Has linode done any analysis on linux distros in use across their network recently?
15:14<DrJ>what kind of analysis
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15:36<Intensity>@Rainbow: I got to the point of booting to grub now. This is a Debian 7 instance, but I'd like to use grub to boot since I'll be running a different kernel. Grub seems to half-boot; it says "Welcome to GRUB!" but halts after "error: fd0 read error.".
15:37<@Rainbow>Intensity, are you using Linode's disks, or a raw disk with a custom install?
15:37<Intensity>I've tried both full virtualization and para, with Direct Disk selected. After I boot, when I examine in the lish, I find that grub displays those messages but doesn't get to the point of printing the menu. This is a raw disk I created using dd. The original raw image was generated with virt-manager using KVM and there it booted fine.
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15:38<@Rainbow>Are you using Lish, or Glish Intensity ?
15:38<Intensity>Maybe somehow the device IDs were hard-coded as they pertained to the virt-manager system, so perhaps I may need to boot to finnix and run update-grub. But I would have thought grub could figure out a change of device when there's only one. I'm using lish.
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15:42<@Rainbow>Intensity, use GLish, unless you've enabled the serial console.
15:42<@Rainbow>GLish is your Graphical Console, currently in public beta. Lish is the serial console.
15:43<Intensity>@Rainbow: Ah, that completely clarifies. This was my first attempt at booting. When it didn't appear to proceed further in grub from my viewpoint I thought that it wasn't booting, but it looks like it booted just fine; it's just that I wasn't seeing the output. Fortunately I enabled networking properly so I have access.
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15:52*Rainbow nods
15:52<@Rainbow>Intensity, gld you're making progress now :3
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16:00<Hellishcz>Hi. Is there anybody using Vagrant to manage linodes?
16:00<arlen>probably
16:01<@jstewart>Hellishcz: We've got a fairly fresh guide out about using Vagrant with Linode. https://linode.com/docs/applications/configuration-management/vagrant-linode-environments
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17:48<jrl_>hi there, I am keep having out of memory problems with mysql which brings down my site... also the webmin constantly crashes and if I try to restart it the whole system crashes :/
17:48<jrl_>i am braking my head here and now considering of going to managed solution
17:48<jrl_>do they offer optimization of the system or is it mostly for reporting / monitoring?
17:50<arlen>managed is incident response
17:50<arlen>professional services is probably what you'd want https://www.linode.com/professional-services
17:52<jrl_>hmmm
17:52<jrl_>so incident response won't cover solution?
17:52<arlen>incident response is they'll answer the 3am alarms
17:53<jrl_>lol
17:53<psandin>incident response is rebooting it because it OOMed, proservices is preventing it from OOMing next time
17:53<jrl_>I get it
17:53<jrl_>thx :)
17:53<jrl_>I'll try get a quote
17:56<Celti>I wish the customers at my old job accepted the difference between incident response and professional services that easily. x_x
17:56<Celti>I would spend more time on the phone telling them "No, your plan doesn't cover that" then it would take to fix the problem
17:56<jrl_>haha
17:57<jrl_>on their defense, why didn't you just fix it? :D
17:57<Celti>Because they weren't paying us to fix it. :)
18:00<synapt>jrl_: What size linode do you have? Not to potentially take work away from linode but chances are if you have a moderate system administration knowledge you just need to optimize your site/set up a bit better
18:01<synapt>My guess would be using something that's bloating down mysql too heavily or perhaps even a misconfigured mysql, but yeah if you're not entirely that familiar with that kinda stuff, the prof services would be your place to go
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18:02<jrl_>we got a 4GB linode... running 2 Wordpress sites on it. It has to be an optimization issue cause we migrated from a weaker server and we had no issues there
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18:02<synapt>jrl_: Running something like cPanel?
18:03<synapt>Oh wait you said webmin, so guessing not
18:03<synapt>virtualmin perhaps?
18:03<jrl_>yes virtualmin
18:03<jrl_>i am not so knowledgable in sys admin matters unfortunately
18:03<jrl_>but it all goes to sh.. when 2 or 3 authors log in the WP to write stuff
18:04<synapt>not as horrid as cpanel but they generally still have chunky apache configs I think, so that prob doesn't help a ton. Most of the suggestions I can think to make would be a bit technical so yeah might wanna prod linode for some stuff
18:04<synapt>particularly at minimum I'd say maybe getting something like memcached or redis installed and then throw in WP-FFPC or WP-Redis (respectively) into your wordpress
18:05<synapt>running mysqltuner prob wouldn't be the worst of ideas either
18:05<synapt>but on a 4G linode you definitely shouldn't be tanking just from 2-3 authors logging in, unless you got a fair bit of traffic as well :P
18:05<jrl_>nah it happens on low traffic too
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18:06<synapt>Yeah that's kinda weird then. Do you have any other things running on the box? Maybe worth throwing in something to monitor stuff, newrelic perhaps (I think they have a limited-ish free plan now for a single system)
18:08<jrl_>I was thinking mmonit
18:08<jrl_>and also an sql profile
18:08<jrl_>*r
18:09<jrl_>not a lot of stuff running on the box... there is definitely something wrong
18:09<jrl_>as in I cet 90% ram from say editing a few posts on WP
18:11<jrl_>hmm WP-FFPC looks interesting. never heard of it before
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18:16<synapt>WP-FFPC is a caching mechanism, mainly based around memcached and a few others. WP-Redis is based around Redis
18:17<niccolo>For Linode, does "cloud" hosting mean I'd have root access?
18:17<synapt>both are memory caching models, which while by namesake might sound like they could cause more problems, technically can help a ton
18:17<synapt>niccolo: Linode does VPS's, which are indeed root-accessible instances for you specifically
18:18<niccolo>synapt: Okay, cool.
18:18*tonyyarusso slaps synapt with a trout for apostrophe abuse
18:18<synapt>so I guess I did
18:18<synapt>my bad
18:19<synapt>lol
18:20<jrl_>aight, thanks guys, take care. hopefully my problems are solved and i can get my sleep back ;)
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20:33<HoopyCat>when friday afternoon goes horribly wrong: http://gfycat.com/FluidBarrenCalf
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