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#linode IRC Logs for 2015-09-01

---Logopened Tue Sep 01 00:00:28 2015
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01:06<Isiah>y'all know what today is?
01:06<Isiah>The day we all pay our linodes <33
01:07<tonyyarusso>yup...and get reminded that we still have one that needs to be decommissioned.
01:07<Isiah>once you go linode, you don't go back
01:07<tonyyarusso>Oh, I have more than one.
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01:08<Isiah>nah i just got one, that was all i needed at the time i got mine
01:09<Isiah>linode is my main server though, we've been through hell and back.
01:21<Kyhwana>mailing list reminder day!
01:22<tonyyarusso>Headdesking that mailman stores and mails passwords in plain text day!
01:23<synapt>Isiah: I look at it more as the day I get paid
01:23<synapt>:P
01:23<synapt>I dun like to look at it as bill day
01:23<synapt>lol
01:23<Isiah>new job aka no more paid on the 1st and 15th :-(
01:24<Isiah>i miss getting paid weekly the most though.
01:29<tonyyarusso>My one non-Linode system currently has 94% packet loss, so there's that...
01:29<tonyyarusso>We're paid every other Friday.
01:29<synapt>sounds like what you get for being non-linode
01:29<Peng>good news for 6% of your packets!
01:30<tonyyarusso>synapt: Yeah, it's my tin-foil-hat box that's with a non-US company.
01:31<tonyyarusso>Apparently they're having some kind of routing problem at the moment - started 35 minutes ago.
01:32<synapt>tonyyarusso: With the way other nations have been I honestly feel half safer with decent US companies than foreign ones these days
01:32<synapt>lol
01:32<tonyyarusso>synapt: It's not the US *companies* I'm annoyed with in this case.
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01:33<elementill>Hi all. Anyone else having problems with auth Tokens from the AUTHY app not working?
01:33<synapt>tonyyarusso: I know what you meant, I meant that I'd have more trust in a US company doing the right thing against the government compared to a lot of foreign hosts currently :P
01:34<synapt>(ie; requiring actual legal warrants and stuff before doing anything)
01:34<synapt>where as UK a few others are half way like "oh sure gents, here you go" at the simplest request
01:34<synapt>:P
01:35<tonyyarusso>synapt: Yeah, not UK either. (Iceland and Austria)
01:35<synapt>Iceland I'd probably trust, not sure about austria
01:36<tonyyarusso>Yeah, the Austria part is so-so, and likely going away soon.
01:37<tonyyarusso>Along with ditching this host that has packet loss for a different one and seeing if that's better.
02:00<Isiah>hm
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02:40<Kyhwana>elementill: make sure your time is synced properly
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02:41<Tyler>Hi, just looking to confirm if Linode would be suitable/ease of use for a standard wordpress theme customized site
02:41<Peng>Sure.
02:41<Tyler>Or is perhaps this service is a bit of overkill
02:42<dcraig>I once had a lot of fun running my wordpress blog on the linode platform
02:43<Tyler>How many uniques/month can the $10 plan handle?
02:43<arlen>potato
02:43<dcraig>tree fiddy
02:43<Peng>Tyler: 0-a lot, depending on how it's configured
02:46<zifnab>JamesTK: i just have to ask, is my speedtest to australia better than yours? http://www.speedtest.net/result/4626991643.png
02:47<internat>Tyler: it all comes down to your individual configuration
02:47<zifnab>is it just acting as a proxy to appengine? a few thousand
02:47<zifnab>or million, i haven't gotten there yet
02:47<zifnab>hard cap of (65535/2)-(number of other things open on the system)
02:48<zifnab>(which probably isn't nessicarily true, i don't know if that cap is a real thing)
02:48<internat>lol. i was trying to work out what you were basing that on, being it number of processes or ports
02:49<zifnab>er, for proxy, probably ports?
02:49<zifnab>in that case, i'm wrong: its <65411 connections
02:49<internat>you could mitigate that with multiple ip's (I think)
02:50<zifnab>probably less, assumign 10k-65535 are valid ports to use for outgoing connections
02:52<Peng>internat: IPv6!
02:52<internat>ipv6 doesnt have more ports :P
02:57<zifnab>^^
02:57<zifnab>internat: use less nat
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02:59<x86_64>hej!
02:59<x86_64>god eftermiddag
03:00<x86_64>well uhm.. hey,
03:00<x86_64>I would like to be able to SSH and SFTP to my server at the same time, is this possible?
03:00<dcraig>yes!
03:00<x86_64>really
03:00<x86_64>because...
03:00<x86_64>i couldnt
03:01<x86_64>ok, i´ll try again
03:01*x86_64 opens tmux
03:01<dcraig>how do you know someone uses tmux??
03:01<x86_64>eh?
03:01<x86_64>i use tmux so i can split my screen and work
03:02<x86_64>one screen for SSH and the other for SFTP
03:02<x86_64>now, it works... it didnt work before, weird...
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03:03<sirpengi>dcraig: wait, there are people who don't use tmux!?
03:03*synapt uses WinSCP often and can SSH and SFTP/SCP quite easily at the same time
03:04<x86_64>i think i happened to change my password on the SSH then opened SFTP and i forgot i had changed my password :|
03:04<x86_64>very likely
03:04<dcraig>gotta use those ssl key things
03:04<x86_64>ssh keys you mean?
03:05<dcraig>yeah!!
03:05<dcraig>that one
03:05<x86_64>yeah, might do
03:07<x86_64>btw... im surprised by the efficiency of help on this channel on irc..... its like: i paid you specifically to help. o_O
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03:08<x86_64>skney, please use other means to access #linode, thanks.
03:08<x86_64>(~Snowman@1.tor.exit.babylon.network
03:08<dcraig>snitches get stitches
03:08<x86_64>funny though, the host: @1.tor.exit.babylon.network isn´t in AKICK
03:08<x86_64>(just mentioning)
03:08<arlen>narc
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03:10<apidez>hi
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03:19<Mike>Hi All - Can anyone please tell us if Linode charges for shut down nodes?
03:19-!-Mike is now known as Guest191
03:20<dcraig>yes, they do!
03:20<synapt>Mike: You're basically reserving that slot so yeah
03:20<Guest191>Hi DCraig Cool thanks for clarifying :-)
03:21<Guest191>Cool. Great service Thanks for both of your help with that
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03:23<x86_64>are some people here the same people who help at the support ticket?
03:23<dcraig>the ops
03:24<x86_64>aha
03:24<Peng>Some of them, yes.
03:24<x86_64>jackley, i remember he helped me about trial stuff
03:28<dcraig>kcraig's my brother from another mother
03:29<x86_64>hm
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03:31<Sachin>Hello
03:31<dcraig>hi
03:31<Sachin>How can I add email
03:31<Sachin>in linode
03:32<dcraig>have you checked out any of the email guides in the linode library?
03:32*Sachin slaps marques around a bit with a large fishbot
03:32<Sachin>I cant get it
03:32<Sachin>I have checked all
03:32<Sachin>but not found
03:32<dcraig>you can't comprehend it? or the page doesn't load?
03:33<dcraig>so what exactly do you want to do?
03:33<Sachin>I want to add email
03:33<Sachin>my domain is gtilabs.in
03:33<Sachin>i want to create email like
03:33<Sachin>help@gtilabs.in
03:33<Sachin>support@gtilabs.in
03:33<Sachin>like that
03:34<dcraig>when someone sends mail to the help address, what should happen with it?
03:34<Sachin>Email address not created till now
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03:46<x86_64>heh
03:46<x86_64>this host still: (~Snowman@1.tor.exit.babylon.network) ;)
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03:56<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • aes-ni support in kvm linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12093&p=68334#p68334>
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05:31<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • How do I setup my Linode without a domain? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12213&p=68335#p68335>
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06:46<HoopyCat>the dream, gents. this butcher is living the dream. http://imgur.com/a/yc3yJ
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06:54<Maqsood>does linode provide VPS with ubuntu?
06:55<HoopyCat>Maqsood: yep: https://www.linode.com/distributions are the stock distributions, although you can run most anything
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07:09<andrewnotari>Hi Jeffrey!
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07:10<andrewnotari>Hi Jeffrey!
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07:31<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Longview apache tab not working <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12223&p=68336#p68336>
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08:30<Darren>Hi ~~
08:30<Darren>I need a help.
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08:30<Darren>How do I downgrade my plan?
08:31<akerl>https://www.linode.com/docs/search?query=resize
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08:32<Darren>If I change my plan , The IP will same?
08:33<akerl>Did you read the doc?
08:34<Darren>My english is very bad.
08:36<jasonm>yes, your IP will remain the same
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08:39<Darren>And my vps will close 288min?
08:41<jasonm>Not sure I understand your question
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10:54<+linbot>New news from docs: NodeBalancer SSL Configuration <https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/nodebalancer/nodebalancer-ssl-configuration>
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11:34<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Only front page showing after moving to a new linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12222&p=68337#p68337>
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12:04*MajObviousman drops a pin
12:05<Eugene>OONTS OONTS OONTS OONTS
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12:09<zipper>Hey I have a linode that looks like this running arch. http://lpaste.net/2573573983202967552
12:09<zipper>Issue is that it's using is a tmpfs and not on disk
12:09<Peng>For what, /tmp?
12:09<zipper>How can I make it use disk. It's arch.
12:09<zipper>Yeah for /tmp
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12:10<zipper>and why do I have so many tmpfs? Can I get rid of all of them?
12:10<Eugene>No, you shouldn't.
12:10<zipper>I have just 1G RAM isn't using tmpfs not wise?
12:10<Eugene>No.
12:10<zipper>Eugene: Why?
12:10<Eugene>tmpfs only uses memory as it is actually allocated
12:10<Eugene>Meaning the "used" column of df
12:11<zipper>Eugene: but I only have 1G to allocate. Am I wrong?
12:11<Eugene>Wrong about what?
12:11<Eugene>The various tmpfses you've listed there are all necessary to run the syste
12:11<Peng>Do you need to put hundreds of MB of stuff in /tmp?
12:11<zipper>That I only have 1G of RAM plus 256M to allocate to tmpfs
12:11<Eugene>Removing them "to save memory" when you're not running short is silly
12:12<Eugene>You're not allocating anything
12:12<zipper>Peng: Yes it's a haskell thing :D
12:12<Eugene>1.5MB is being used for /run, that's it
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12:12<Peng>systemctl mask tmp.mount, according to search engine
12:12<zipper>It seems to be saving a lot of stuff in the /tmp when building the compilter
12:13<Eugene>Your The thing you're trying to build?
12:13<zipper>*compiler
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12:13<Nick>Hi Linode
12:13<zipper>Eugene: Well I have the issue temporarily fixed because I set TMPDIR and chose to set that to ~/tmp
12:14<Eugene>That is what i was about to suggest
12:14<Eugene>/tmp ought to be tmpfs to prevent sensitive data which may be saved there from persisting across reboots
12:14<Eugene>(think temporary files used by applications, which happen to have key data in them)
12:15<Peng>Those are terrible applications
12:15<Eugene>They are, but hey! That's open source.
12:15<zipper>Eugene: I understand but isn't setting TMPDIR very short term?
12:15<Eugene>In any case, "my /tmp is too big" is usually a straw man. If you're out of RAM there's other things a plan
12:15<Eugene>Why did I type "a plan"
12:15<Eugene>I need alcohol
12:15<Eugene>"at play"
12:16<Peng>You seem to be dodging the simplest option here, which is not using a tmpfs.
12:16<zipper>Well I assume that what's at play is that I have only 1G of RAM
12:16<Eugene>Building packages can be a memory-intense operation. Get more of it.
12:16<zipper>Peng: Who me?
12:16<zipper>Eugene: Scale up when building then scale down?
12:16<Eugene>If your question is "how do I not mount a filesystem", consult `man fstab`
12:17<zipper>No I just want the best possible setup
12:17<Eugene>...for what?
12:17<zipper>Okay that was an ambiguous question.
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12:42<sp_>Hey, anything going on in Newark?
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12:42<sp_>there's a linode I can't access via ssh or ping... lish seems to work though
12:42<sp_>but can't ping out through lish either...
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12:44<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Sub domain help with Linode <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12104&p=68339#p68339>
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14:15<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Longview apache tab not working <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12223&p=68342#p68342> || Web Servers and Web App Development • Stackscript for GHOST blog that works, stays stable just like on DO droplet. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12219&p=68341#p68341> || Feature Request/Bug Report • Longview App <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12209&p=68283#p68
14:15<sp_>seems dhclient did not run? hmm that was weird
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14:33<eco2>I've got some proprietary software that activates using a fingerprint based on the hostname and MAC address of the machine. The MAC address of a linode doesn't change, right?
14:37<eco2>Also, is it possible to cause vagrant provisioning to always use the same mac address?
14:39<eco2>I see that vagrant has a setting for it but I don't know how that interacts with linode.
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14:47<technut99>hi folks, just installed zentyal while trying to install webmin and broke my localhost for some of my wordpress sites using apache2 and mysql
14:48<technut99>anyone have any experience with zentyal?
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15:36<MJCS>Anyone else getting 5-10% packet loss with Dallas? http://pastebin.com/KhZwB0QP
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15:38<MJCS>And Dal -> Home http://pastebin.com/FRhV2kPa
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15:47<MajObviousman>MJCS: removed?
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15:47<MJCS>yah i had it set to expire after 10 min
15:48<MJCS>getting 25% pl out of po101.dsr01.dllstx2.networklayer.com
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16:03<SHAMS>HI
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16:57<Goprimetravel>Hi
16:58<Goprimetravel>I need some information about your service.
16:58<+linbot>hello
16:58<@caker>ask away...
16:59<Goprimetravel>We want to add some web service to a web app that we are making.
16:59<Goprimetravel>But we need for that static ip public and private
16:59<Goprimetravel>do you provide this service?
16:59<@caker>ok, you get those included, yes
16:59<@caker>!ips
16:59<+linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
17:00<@caker>(a private IP is also included, free)
17:00<Goprimetravel>At the end does are static's ip?
17:01<Goprimetravel>Because we don't need dinamic ip address
17:02<@caker>they don't change, if that's what you mean
17:02<Goprimetravel>Yes that's what I meant
17:03<Goprimetravel>Ok
17:03<@caker>nice :)
17:03<Goprimetravel>any packet have this configuration?
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17:05<@caker>https://www.linode.com/linodes and https://linode.com/docs/platform <-- perhaps?
17:05<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to find an ImageID for "Gold Master" disk? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12224&p=68343#p68343>
17:08<Goprimetravel>Thanks
17:08<Goprimetravel>Best regards
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17:13*Celti feels like he's wasting the /64 of IPv6 he's got on his Linode
17:13<+linbot>New news from status: Linode Manager and API Maintenance: September 2nd, 2015 <http://status.linode.com/incidents/xjmlns8gc3nl>
17:13<Celti>OpenVPN refuses to work with anything less than a /64, but lets you configure it to use a tiny tiny portion of that block
17:14<Kyhwana>Celti: vhosts!
17:14<Celti>so I'm using like, six addresses
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17:15<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to find an ImageID for "Gold Master" image? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12224&p=68343#p68343>
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17:16<Celti>Kyhwana: I suppose I could, but I'm not that clever
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17:25<MajObviousman>Kyhwana: that sounds suspiciously like Work
17:25<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to find an ImageID for "Gold Master" image? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12224&p=68344#p68344>
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18:21<Eugene>Celti - IPv6 is designed to waste lots of addresses. A /64 is the recommended subnet size.
18:21<akerl>Eugene: I thought Ipv4 was designed for wasting lots of addresses?
18:21<Eugene>Consider that a /32(typically assigned to an entire large ISP) is the same as a single IPv4 address
18:21<Eugene>I wouldn't say "designed"
18:21<Eugene>More like "evolved"
18:23<MajObviousman>I never really understood the thinking here
18:23<MajObviousman>we went from 4 bytes to 16 bytes, but then we're effectively "wasting" 8 bytes of every address
18:24<Eugene>The /64 split is meant to give a clean break between routed and local communication
18:24<akerl>MajObviousman: Well yea, but nobody has developed a way to hand out specific IP addresses to specific systems reliably prior to SLAAC, and there's no way to assign nice, memorable names for connecting to systems
18:24<akerl> /64s give you that power
18:25<MajObviousman>the fact that it's /64 is arbitrary. You could assign /108s to everybody and accomplish the same thing
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18:25<Eugene>Yup. But it's as good as any other break point.
18:25<akerl>:|
18:26<Eugene>I'll be really, really surprised if we ever need more than 2000/3
18:26<Eugene>(or 640k of RAM!)
18:26<akerl>Not that it matters because it'll be another decade before it'll be another decade before v6 will be the standard
18:27<MajObviousman>i guess I'm saying that since the decision of /64 is arbitrary, so then is the size of 16 bytes. Why not 8 bytes?
18:27<MajObviousman>we're handing out an internet of internets to every endpoint
18:27<Eugene>So many internets.
18:27<MajObviousman>e-peens so long nobody can see the end
18:31<HoopyCat>MajObviousman: /64 isn't entirely arbitrary. it's the length of an EUI-64 address, which is an expansion of EUI-48 to add 16 more bits
18:31<MajObviousman>that is a good point
18:31<MajObviousman>so then, the extra 16 bits are somewhat arbitrary, we could do /80s
18:33<HoopyCat>MajObviousman: well sure, but the firewire people only went with 64 :-)
18:33<MajObviousman>bah fine fine
18:35<HoopyCat>getting from EUI-48 (used by ethernet, 802.11, bluetooth, etc) to EUI-64 is a trivial conversion, at least
18:35<MajObviousman>except for that one bit I never remember about
18:35<MajObviousman>we got tripped up on that recently
18:35<HoopyCat>also notably, processors tend to enjoy chewing on integer multiples of 32 or 64 bits nowadays
18:36<MajObviousman>that they do
18:36<HoopyCat>so having 64 bits for the network address and 64 bits for the host address is sapient with love
18:37*MajObviousman sighs, having thoroughly and completely lost this bitchfest
18:37<Eugene>WE LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE
18:37<MajObviousman>!to Eugene urmom
18:37<+linbot>Eugene: Yo mommas so fat, when she turns around, people give her a welcome back party! (808:4/2) [romum]
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18:38<Eugene>Don't talk shit bout my momma. She'll kick your ass back to primary school
18:38*MajObviousman points quietly at linbot
18:38<MajObviousman>don't look at me, that's who said it
18:38<Eugene>Lady runs a shooting range for fun
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18:45*JamesTK hands Eugene an unloaded shotgun
18:45<Eugene>Useless.
18:45*JamesTK hands Eugene the wrong ammunition
18:46<Eugene>JamesTK - http://i.imgur.com/qK409K2.jpg
18:46<Eugene>One of three crates of leftovers
18:46<JamesTK>nice. now find something to fire them out of
18:46-!-dankles_ is now known as dankles
18:47<HoopyCat>i've got a suitable rifle, although they'll need to be opened up and loaded into my mouth
18:47<JamesTK>\o/
18:47<Celti>Mmmm, Angry Orchard
18:47<HoopyCat>angry orchard is not a bottle-deposit item here
18:48<Celti>Then drink the cider and shoot the bottles
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20:06<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • How to find an ImageID for "Gold Master" image? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12224&p=68345#p68345>
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22:50<jcap>I keep getting the following error on first boot of the Ubuntu 15.04 image:
22:50<jcap>systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
22:50<jcap>I've tried a few times
22:50<jcap>tried with 14.04 (similar problem, not the same error)
22:50<jcap>as well as Debian 8.1
22:50<jcap>with KVM and without
22:51<jcap>It's been a bit since I've done this, but the error is on boot before I've had a chance to do anything
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22:51<jcap>depmode and modprobe can't run
22:51<jcap>depmod
22:52<jcap># depmod
22:52<jcap>depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/4.1.5-x86_64-linode61/modules.order: No such file or directory
22:52<jcap>depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/4.1.5-x86_64-linode61/modules.builtin: No such file or directory
22:53<Peng>There aren't any modules.
22:54<jcap>Peng, any idea why I see that error on boot? is that normal and/or unrelated?
22:56<Peng>it's a warning, not an error
22:57<jcap>Peng, would you happen to know how I install overlayfs on the 4.1 series kernels?
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23:29<HoopyCat>jcap: i believe it's compiled in... zgrep OVERLAY /proc/config.gz
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23:50<SleePy>Does LInode support ext4 in the sense I can do root password reset, automatic resizing, etc? I know at one point you couldn't.
23:51<purrdeta>SleePy: yes
23:53<SleePy>Nice, I should put that on my list and upgrade at one point.
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23:57<+linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Email with Postfix, Dovecot, and MySQL problems <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=12221&p=68346#p68346>
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