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---Logopened Wed Sep 16 00:00:48 2015
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01:32<dcraig>I need a linode that won't drive me crazy
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01:44<Ikaros>I would say use mine but you'll probably do something to it that drives you crazy.
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02:05<PK>I was wondering if I can get a test IP for Linode's SG datacentre?
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02:09<PK>What after downloading the BIN file?
02:09<Eugene>The speedtest URL is a test endpoint.... you can ping it, MTR it, spam it, whatever.
02:10<Eugene>If you want a test Linode, they're 0.015c/hr ;-)
02:10<Eugene>Or 1.5c, if I can math right
02:15<PK>Thanks for your help. Have a good day :)
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02:16<PK>I am back. Sorry, missed to ask one more question
02:17<PK>Is SG datacentre DDoS protected?
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02:18<PK>Thank you!
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03:33<duchao>anyone here?
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03:37<duchao>where are you from?
03:37<duchao>are you use linode VPS?
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03:39<sandeep>I use linode, yes
03:41<duchao>which location?
03:42<sandeep>multiple. why?
03:43<duchao>i want to check the connect speed
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03:43<duchao>thank you
03:47<duchao>can i use linode VPS build vpn server?
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07:28<Caligo>hey, I am thinking and strugling with best options for my application. it came down to choosing between Linode and AWS, my problem is I want to have Django based application, and it will communicate with rather huge database in the background, also there is lots of Python code running every 5 minutes, so it cant run on web server, I am wondering can I have 2 or 3 or 4 Linode servers, communicating btw database and savig results there
07:29<akerl>You're asking if you're allowed to purchase more than 1 Linode, and then if the Linodes can communicate over the network?
07:30<Caligo>I know I can purcahse multiple Linode servers,
07:31<Caligo>I am wondering if I can have one as database serervr
07:31<Caligo>one as web application server
07:31<Caligo>and few more doing the background work
07:31<akerl>Linodes are just Linux VMs that you have root access on. You can set up any of them to do whatever
07:32<Caligo>ok, and the price is my concern
07:32<Caligo>if I have them on the Linode private network
07:32<Caligo>internal traffic between them is not charged?
07:32<JamesTK>tis free
07:33<Caligo>trafic on any oprt
07:33<Caligo>traffic on any port?
07:33<Caligo>not just 80?
07:34<Caligo>thanks guys ;-) based upon your experience, what would you do with aws or linode?
07:34<Caligo>i am more towards linode, personaly
07:35<Peng>Well, you're asking #linode. :P If you ask us and an AWS channel, you'll probably get different answers.
07:35<Caligo>right lol
07:36<Caligo>ok, thanks
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08:10<HoopyCat>AWS is great if you're rolling in VC and can afford to pay a dozen "devops" engineers to coddle it 24x7
08:10*HoopyCat ducks; runs.
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08:16<praetorian>where devops, he means himself
08:16<praetorian>and coddle, he means lick it constantly
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08:30<amitz>what is it?
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08:58<storrgie>When making a ca for self signing certs, is it common to use -des3? I feel like that might be old and bad?
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09:03<gemcon>how much visitor at a single moment Linode 64GB can handle ?
09:03<miklosk>or max 15
09:04<Meyer^>gemcon: 0 if one visitor requires 128GB ram
09:04<gemcon>its a normal news website
09:04<Meyer^>gemcon: There is no normal news website
09:04<hawk>storrgie: "self-signed" is a term used for certificates that are signed using the key that goes along with that very same certificate. No CA (yours or widely trusted one) is involved.
09:04<Meyer^>gemcon: I host one that is very efficent. Can handle 100k pageviews per day on a 1GB Linode. Efficent caching and so.
09:05<Meyer^>gemcon: Then I host one that is crappy. Requires a 8GB Linode and is almost impossible to cache due to stupid design
09:05<hawk>storrgie: Not that this answers your question, but I was left slightly confused and with the impression that you didn't actually mean self-signed.
09:05<gemcon>ya all depends on the application
09:06<Meyer^>gemcon: But. Most likely a 64GB Linode is much larger than you need.
09:07<Meyer^>gemcon: But then again. I know nothing of your news website or the amount of traffic it has.
09:07<gemcon>can i take 2 Linode 16GB and clone/cluster for redundancy
09:07<Peng>storrgie: 3DES is old and mediocre.
09:07<storrgie>hawk, I was planning to follow this guide here.
09:08<hawk>storrgie: As for the switch (for openssl genrsa?) it doesn't affect anything publicly visible but rather how the private key is stored. (And much like you suggested yourself, triple des is not really state of the art.)
09:08<storrgie>I was concerned about two tings, 1) using triple des, 2) switching from that to aes256 requiring me to have a password when nginx starts (which becomes a mess because of systemd)
09:09<Peng>storrgie: 3DES is good enough if you have to use it, but use AES if available.
09:09<Meyer^>gemcon: Where do you host your news site now? What kind of hosting and how much traffic?
09:09<hawk>storrgie: Using any encryption, 3des or something else, will have the same kind of problem for software that needs to use the key, no?
09:10<Peng>storrgie: Wait, if you're running your own CA, you don't need the CA key to start Nginx. Better to have it offline. In an HSM. In a vault. In the sea.
09:10<storrgie>hawk, well, I made a key/cert earlier and used the -nodes option which allows you to not have a password
09:10<gemcon>its now hosted in Dhaka ... around 200k pageviews per day
09:10<Peng>storrgie: Yeah 'cause it's totally not encrypted now.
09:10<storrgie>Peng, just for a single server, just to see how this stuff works, eventually plan to use letsencrypt
09:11<gemcon>its a news site in local language (Bangladesh)
09:11<Peng>storrgie: It sounds like you just meant one self-signed cert, not a whole PKI.
09:11<storrgie>Peng, yes, thats what I did earlier
09:12<storrgie>this is another guide, also using three des
09:12<storrgie>I'm basically looking for a modern guide
09:12<storrgie>with sane default parameters passed to openssl
09:12<hawk>Peng: Well, the article they linked too includes a CA, server and *client* certs too...
09:12<Peng>hawk: :O
09:12<Peng>I didn't click.
09:12<Peng>storrgie: I'm not sure such a guide exists.
09:12<akerl>I usually just use HTTP
09:12<Peng>storrgie: FWIW, 90% of people probably leave their keys unencrypted.
09:13*Peng hits akerl
09:13<akerl>It's much simpler
09:13<akerl>Like IPv4
09:13*Peng screams
09:13<akerl>And telnet
09:13<akerl>storrgie: If you don't have a reason to do -nodes, don't -nodes
09:13<akerl>It's an extra layer that you don't need to take away if things work with it there
09:13<Peng>akerl: "not having to type a password to start Nginx" is the reason
09:14<akerl>Peng: I suspect for most people, nginx restarts are infrequent enough for that not to be a pain point. If it were to become one, it's easy enough to strip the passphrase down the road
09:14<akerl>And this is where I soapbox about how certs and keys should be distributed using keywhiz anyways
09:15<Meyer^>gemcon: Why do you want to change hosting?
09:16<Meyer^>gemcon: Ok. Do you use any CMS for the page? Wordpress? Drupal? Other?
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09:17<gemcon>now on wordpress .. .but we r developing a new site with raw php .. and will host to a new location
09:17<Peng>akerl: Everyone should use Amazon's Cloud HSM!
09:22<storrgie>akerl, starting/managing nginx from systemd makes it more difficult... currently I have no idea how to specify a pass when systemctl starts it
09:23<Meyer^>gemcon: Ok. I would say begin with a smaller linode and scale up as needed
09:24<Meyer^>gemcon: Do not try to complicate things with load balancing and such before you have the need and knowhow for it
09:24<Meyer^>gemcon: Resizing to a larger (or smaller) Linode is just a press of a button.
09:25<gemcon>ok thanks
09:25<Meyer^>gemcon: One suggestion is if you are developing things from scratch is to consider using some kind of framework and prererably one with some kind of caching features
09:25<Meyer^>gemcon: Making a news site scale is all about getting things cached
09:25<akerl>storrgie: :)
09:25<gemcon>ya ... we are keeping the caching feature
09:26<Meyer^>gemcon: I would also suggest you consider using nginx and php5-fpm instead of the more traditional apache + mod_php combination
09:27<Meyer^>gemcon: Also take in to consideration image sizes and such. Make sure all images you add are fit for web and as small as possible
09:27<storrgie>akerl, is it terrifying or ironic that when I'm trying to look up documentation I get a secure connection failed from
09:28<akerl>Well, pretty terrifying because my browser loads that just fine
09:28<gemcon>do u provide any CDN service ?
09:29<storrgie>akerl, in chrome or ff?
09:29<akerl>storrgie: Chrome
09:29<storrgie>try in ff real quick, it works for me in chrome but fails in ff
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09:30<gemcon>will "linode managed service" do all the configuration of the server?
09:30<akerl>gemcon: No
09:30<Meyer^>gemcon: Professional Services is the thing you are looking for
09:31<Meyer^>gemcon: for initial setup
09:35<gemcon>reagarding support 24/7 .... what will be the avg response time for tickets
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09:39<Meyer^>gemcon: Farily quick is my experience. I generally get a response in less than 30 minutes.
09:40<gemcon>is there a 24/7 phone support call option ?
09:40<Meyer^>gemcon: you can reach Linode by phone yes
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09:42<akerl>Note that if you send them a ticket that says "hey this thing I installed on my Linode is broken", they will respond quickly but not fix it
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09:51<sonu>Anyone could help me to solve a issue with multiple ajax request.
09:54<sonu>In my application I am sending multiple ajax request at a time when a page load. My issue is first ajax takes some time to complete as it has to get data from some third party so it takes time, now issue is unless first ajax request is not completed system other ajax requests are in queue(processing).
09:55<akerl>Sounds very british
09:55<sonu>On the server we are using Operating system Ubuntu 14.04 on linode could.
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10:13<Cromulent>akerl: does it?
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10:14<akerl>queuing patiently in line
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10:17<MajObviousman>how British of you
10:17*MajObviousman should have read up
10:19<sonu>hi .. is linode support here ?
10:20<MajObviousman>in an unofficial capacity
10:20<akerl>this is the user community
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10:20<MajObviousman>employees of LInode in here mostly just keep the peace and occasionally answer questions that the community can't answer
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10:21<MajObviousman>if you're wanting real support, then seek it through official channels, e.g. opening a support ticket or giving them a call
10:21<Cromulent>akerl: I'm british and last time I queued up I nearly got in a fight :|
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10:40<sonu>uhh .. linode support ans me : Linode doesn't provide support for software installation, configuration, or troubleshooting custom configurations internal to your Linode,
10:40<sonu>how was saying go to Linode support.. >:(
10:40<sonu>That was my Question :
10:40<sonu>Anyone could help me to solve a issue with multiple ajax request. In my application I am sending multiple ajax request at a time when a page load. My issue is first ajax takes some time to complete as it has to get data from some third party so it takes time, now issue is unless first ajax request is not completed system other ajax requests are in queue(processing). On the server we are using Operating system Ubuntu 14.0
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10:41<binaryatrocity>But Linode doesn't support your application, it knows nothing about the application you wrote? If your server is up and running, everything on their end is working.
10:41<binaryatrocity>You need programming help.
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11:56<pronto> hahahaa
11:58<MajObviousman>uhhh, context?
11:59<akerl>MajObviousman: The government just defused a terrorist threat in Texas
12:00<Nivex>see also:
12:05<MajObviousman>Nivex: thanks for that second link
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13:00<pronto> OHSHIT, +1000 of Obama
13:02<psandin>I believe that is called getting told in the classiest way possible
13:03<akerl>Sounds like entrapment to me
13:04<Peng>hahaha :(
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13:33<jeff_>Hi. Can anyone tell me what nameservers I need to use to point a domain to Linode from another registrar?
13:34<Peng> through
13:34<Peng>Clarifications: Linode is a DNS host but not a registrar, and you don't need to use Linode's DNS service to use a Linode VPS
13:35<jeff_>Right. The domain is at godaddy (
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13:46<jeff_>so after I point an external domain to my linode, do I need to set up records at linode for it to resolve?
13:48<jeff_>ahhh, yeah I see that now. :/
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13:57<retro|blah>in and out
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14:06<rebajascl>hola buenas tardes
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15:13<Peng>if you changed your name to xelaf you'd get that less
15:15*pronto slaps xelaf around a bit with a large potato
15:16<MajObviousman>we've secretly replaced pronto's large potato with leftover burnt up bits of the Mir space station. Let's see if xelaf notices.
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15:28<sirpengi>does anybody here run influxdb in their own network? i'd like to know what machine/vm specs you've put it on (and how its faring)
15:35<Celti>systemd-nspawn containers are remarkably painless
15:35<MajObviousman>shhhh, you'll ruin the narrative that systemd sucks
15:35<akerl>MajObviousman: Have you tried out systemd-koolaid yet?
15:35<Celti>I've been using systemd since before Arch made it the default, I'm well aware that it sucks. :-p
15:36<akerl>It's a fresh new take on a monolithic koolaid generation daemon
15:36<MajObviousman>akerl: yarly, i've been tapped in since it was in beta mang
15:38*shinji257 uses lxc
15:38<shinji257>I'm sure systemd has its place but I don't use a systemd-based distro.
15:39<MajObviousman>I'm starting to reach the point where my giveafuck is out
15:39*Celti is thinking about trying CoreOS + rkt on a new Linode
15:40<shinji257>Well I don't feel like wrestling with another solution to figure out how to nest a container inside a container although I'd imagine it to be a bit easier with KVM. I'd hope anyways.
15:41<Celti>Containers within VMs is dead easy, at least with nspawn
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15:42*Celti has been building packages in an as-minimal-as-possible nspawn container on his Linode since before KVM
15:42<shinji257>Yea but my container has a public routing ip. That was the pain.
15:42<shinji257>I really should have an apparmor enabled kernel and use that but eh... Too lazy.
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15:45<johhnnn>Hi i use Nginx and have a little problem. I proxy to but when i go to it goes to what can i do
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17:00<Kyhwana>not immediately leave would've been one thing
17:07<Celti>Woo, CoreOS on Linode is a go!
17:07<Celti>dead simple to install, too
17:08<Celti>create an installation disk (raw), swap disk (remaining space), boot from Finnix and use the coreos-install script on GitHub
17:08<Celti>To boot the installed system, set to Direct Disk boot and voila
17:08<sirpengi>i mean, it could be easier
17:08<Celti>Yes, it could be a StackScript or a rebuild option
17:09<Peng>Magic scripts from GitHub save the day again
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17:20<Celti>I knew that was too easy.
17:20<Celti>I rebooted and she won't come back up.
17:23<Celti>Hm. Started responding as soon as I connected to lish.
17:27<MajObviousman>it's fucking with you
17:28<Ikaros>Indeed, screwing with your head.
17:34<Celti>It apparently just takes forever for it to start SSH
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18:01<Celti>Ah, I see, it uses socket activation for SSH
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18:33<Eugene>Well, this is a bit odd. I created a Linode in fremont, took the KVM upgrade, went through the migration queue, and.... it's still Xen.
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18:33<JamesTK>Nice, Eugene
18:33<JamesTK>And the button is gone?
18:33<Eugene>Way ahead of ya
18:33<JamesTK>Let me know of the response
18:33<JamesTK>So I can 'lol'
18:34<Eugene>Deleted + repeated... still broke.
18:34<kcaj>It's a new product
18:34<kcaj>Called Cloud 9
18:35<Eugene>Oh, and now it isn't
18:35<Eugene>Da fuq
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18:40<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • I want the GUI on my Ubuntu server <>
19:00<tonyyarusso>Not only on a server, but on a VPS? Oh god.
19:01<retro|blah>And not just any GUI, THE GUI
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19:05<coxn>THEE GWEE
19:17<JamesTK>Eugene: still xen?
19:17<Eugene>Nope. It was a Dashboard display issue
19:18<JamesTK>so it kept giving you the kvm button even though it was already kvm?
19:18<JamesTK>glish is <3
19:18<Eugene>No; the KVM button went away, but the host info(and Configuration Profiles options) stayed Xen
19:18<Eugene>It sorted out after a while
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19:51<+linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • PLEASE HELP WEBSITE DATABASE CRASHED <> || Feature Request/Bug Report • Please remove "sl" from Finnix rescue images <>
19:52<psandin>such butthurt
19:52<psandin>also upstream isn't a thing, Linode creates all their distros whole cloth out of thin air, it's kinda amazing really
19:58<Peng>OP has a point, IMO.
19:58<Peng>it's not so good that sl craps all over your screen
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19:59<akerl>I feel the same way whenever I accidentally type cat /dev/random
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19:59<psandin>there are lots of bad things in the world, maybe I should open a support ticket: "Why don't people throw wads of cash at me?"
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20:00<akerl>Amusingly, finnix publishes historical package lists for releases, and has had sl for some time
20:00<Peng>akerl: It's somewhat harder to accidentally cat /dev/urandom.
20:01<+linbot>New news from forum: Performance and Tuning • PLEASE HELP WEBSITE DATABASE CRASHED <> || Feature Request/Bug Report • Please remove "sl" from Finnix rescue images <>
20:01*akerl puts on an expression of shock
20:05<Peng>your latex is peeling
20:05<Peng>i think your shock needs some spirit gum or something
20:05<akerl>Lemme try pouring some beer on it
20:05<akerl>see if that helps
20:13<Eugene>I was not aware of sl
20:13<Eugene>It is now installed on all of my machines
20:14<praetorian>psandin: you want that to happen? i have some ideas.
20:14<Peng>for more direct masochism, turn on sudo's insult feature
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20:16<Eugene>It is on my personal machines. I keep it off at work
20:23<Kyhwana>6ohnoes, database crashed
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20:41<+linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Please remove "sl" from Finnix rescue images <>
20:47<Sputnik7>hah, that guy was serious
20:47<Sputnik7>allow me to laugh even harder.
20:48<praetorian>CHOO CHOO
20:48<Sputnik7>hahahaha best response possible I think
20:48<Nightmare>chugga chugga chugga chigga
20:49<praetorian>BIG RED CAR
20:51<Kyhwana>Choochoo motherfucker
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20:53<berryhost>hey all linode
20:53<berryhost>what's up
20:55<praetorian>lol ol
20:55<praetorian>JamesTK: can you stop inviting your friends
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21:19<arlen>that sounds like a cool server
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21:20<Peng>and the coolness doubles exponentially every time they spam it!
21:20<Peng>by now it's infinitight
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22:11<+linbot>New news from status: Packet Loss in Tokyo <>
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22:42<Nightmare>those poor packets
22:42<Nightmare>they just wanted to be routed, but now they're forever alone, caught in a vortex of loneliness... ;(
22:43<Celti>Vortex of Loneliness sounds like it should be an alt-metal song but Google Music denies it exists.
22:52<HoopyCat>the only song you need:
22:54<Nivex>HoopyCat: wow. I think i'd rather be rickroll'd
22:55<HoopyCat>i'm going to quit my job and devote my life to covering this on the pan flute
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