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---Logopened Mon Sep 28 00:00:05 2015
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00:04<dcraig>hi, have a linode
00:06<praetorian>./nick oprah
00:06<Ryan_>what is this for ?
00:06<akerl>the Linode? It's a hat
00:09<Ryan_>hat ?
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00:17<Ryan_>what;s hat for ?
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00:23<Ryan_>Does Linode allow me to increase certain aspect of the server (Eg. RAM) only and decrease it after the peak hour's over?
00:24<dcraig>sorry, forgot the pe
00:24<Ryan_>pe ?
00:26<Ryan_>what is pe ?
00:27<dcraig>apparently, a text editor for BeOS
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00:30<Ryan_>i can't decide between Linode and Amazon AWS
00:30<Ryan_>AWS allows more flexibility
00:30<Ryan_>but it's complex
00:31<Kyhwana>and costs more, depending
00:32<sirpengi>i'm a big fan of linode, but i'd consider AWS if you wanted any of their value addons (like, RDS, elasticache)
00:34<Peng>Kyhwana: Costs more always, probably.
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00:38<Ryan_>But Linode becomes a problem if i require more resources for 1 aspect of the server (E.g Storage Space), and I would have to upgrade the entire plan just because of that
00:38<Ryan_>right to say so ?
00:41<Peng>Nothing's perfect.
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00:52<dcraig>how many years away are linodes that expand and contract?
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00:57<Ttech>how many years until we have sentient linodes?
00:57*virtual is patiently waiting for Linode to come to Australia.
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01:15*zifnab is patiently awaiting our lord and savior, AI linode
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02:00<schwa1>zifnab: I love that series :D
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02:04<aaron_>hello all
02:05<aaron_>does anyone know how to recovered delete files off an ubuntu 12.04 linode box that was issues using the rm command?
02:07<Peng>Oh, misread.
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02:08<virtual>aaron_: I'd probably look for more generic options for undeleting. Oh, and backups.
02:09<Kyhwana>on a vps with ssds? good luck with that
02:09<zifnab>schwa1: tl;dr: i read it in 6th grade, stole the name, and have used it since
02:09<dcraig>restore from backups :D
02:09<Peng>Kyhwana: Luckily they don't implement TRIM, right?
02:09<Ikaros>Honestly, once you 'rm' something, it's *gone*.
02:09<aaron_>yeah, i am on a vps.. /dev/xvda via linode
02:09<Ikaros>Unless you want to go messing with low-level file structures
02:09<Ikaros>And file metadata
02:09<aaron_>I tried a bunch of manual stuff on stack overflow that didnt work
02:10<Ikaros>And even that's not guaranteed to work as expected
02:10<dcraig>how to make rm send things to the recycle bin?
02:10<aaron_>i didnt unmount because it woulndt let me and I have created aand delte a few directoreis since then
02:10<pharaun>rm -rf :P
02:10<Ikaros>For all intents/purposes, rm'd files are gone for good.
02:10<aaron_>i just lost all my test suites
02:10<zifnab>do you have backups
02:10<Ikaros>This is why you always keep backups on a regular basis, and this sort of thing could be fixed a *LOT* easier
02:10<zifnab>tl;dr: linode backup
02:11<aaron_>manually configure backups or just have linode do it for a monthly charge?
02:11<zifnab>pretty much
02:11<aaron_>Yes, lesson learned the hard way
02:11<aaron_>fuck me
02:11<zifnab>its 1/4 the price of the linode iirc
02:11<Ikaros>And of course be more careful when you go about rm'ing files
02:11<zifnab>(not 100% sure - i think i have a 1gb/2gb and backups on the 2gb)
02:12<aaron_>i tried ext3grep, extundelete to no avail
02:12<aaron_>scalpel was useless as was disknet
02:12<Ikaros>Yep, not sure why you'd even venture a try with those tbh, there's just no real reliable way to retrieve data you accidentally deleted.
02:12<Ikaros>rm is rm
02:13<aaron_>gotcha. so rewrite the code and stop wasting my time searching the internet?
02:13<Peng>Ikaros: Might as well give it a shot.
02:13<dcraig>set up backups first
02:13<Meyer^>aaron_: You could clone the disk and send the image to a data recovery specialist
02:13<dcraig>what if you redo everything and just delete it again tomorrow?
02:14<aaron_>i will get backups set up before rewritting code again.. I am interested in these forenstic specialists
02:14<Meyer^>aaron_: If the data is important enough. It will most likely be quite expensive.
02:14<aaron_>also will issue git add . and git commit before every rm -r again
02:14<Kyhwana>code? so just check it back out od version control, geez
02:14<aaron_>meyeres any idea the cost? -- thank you!
02:14<aaron_>i didnt commit
02:15<aaron_>thanks. noted
02:15<Meyer^>aaron_: I am not certain but I would say in the ballpark of 1000-1500 USD
02:15<trippeh>9 minutes and counting in "Linode Migration Cleanup". Dun dun dun
02:15<trippeh>oh there it goes.
02:15<aaron_>thanks myers, ill just rewrite the software
02:16<Ikaros>Honestly one should stop dodging the necessity of making/keeping regular backups.
02:16<dcraig>trippeh, everything clean?
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02:16<Meyer^>aaron_: Also set up backups.
02:16<aaron_>Ikaros, do you configure your backups manually?
02:16<Ikaros>I use Linode's backup service + I run my own backups manually
02:17<aaron_>what is your time interval or backing up or is it after all saves?
02:17<aaron_>I should google or stackoverflow this i presume
02:17<dcraig>we must, at all times, be able to restore Ikaros from backups, should something unfortunate happen
02:17<Meyer^>aaron_: I back servers up daily
02:17<dcraig>is stackoverflow a verb?
02:17<Meyer^>aaron_: But I also do git commits frequently
02:17<aaron_>thanks Meyer, I will look into this. It is now!
02:17<Meyer^>aaron_: for whatever code I am fiddling with
02:17<trippeh>dcraig: yes, all shiny now.
02:18<aaron_>sad i had one of the files open once it was delete too and accidentally :q! out
02:18<aaron_>bad night for me
02:18<aaron_>its not in lsof anymore
02:19<Ikaros>aaron_: I usually run my manual backups after any important change anywhere on the system, so it's not on a set schedule. The manual backups consist of two things - an entire image of the filesystem, and selected parts of the filesystem containing important data I don't want to lose, compressed into a tarball and transferred automatically to my home server, so that I can selectively restore
02:19<Ikaros>something I accidentally remove or otherwise gets corrupted.
02:19<aaron_>hopefully i can rewrite the unittests in about 8 hours, Im gonna power through them in the morning
02:20<aaron_>Ikaros, awesome idea, thank you
02:20<aaron_>ill prob use a combo of git and tarball
02:20<Meyer^>aaron_: I would suggest you commit more often.
02:21<aaron_>anyone made a noob mistake like me before :/ ?
02:21<Meyer^>aaron_: Plenty of people.
02:21<dcraig>my life is an endless boulevard of green lights
02:22<aaron_>mine is 99.9% of the time
02:22<Meyer^>aaron_: People makes mistakes.
02:22<dcraig>or maybe a boulevard of endless green lights?
02:22<aaron_>meyer and dcraig, what do you two program primarily?
02:22<Ikaros>aaron_: People have done worse, lol
02:23<dcraig>I don't program anything
02:23<Ikaros>Like, for example, wiping their entire root filesystem.
02:24<Meyer^>aaron_: Nothing really. Mostly small scripts to either automate something or a script to monitor something
02:24<aaron_>ok, do most people on this IRC work at linode?
02:24<Meyer^>aaron_: I am a sysadmin by trade. Languages of choise are python, ruby and bash
02:25<aaron_>gotcha, I do mostly python scripting with some system admin and db admin
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02:25<aaron_>a little front end but learning that
02:27<aaron_>well at least i know the code was functional lol
02:27<aaron_>now if i dont need to edit them maybe ill slip by
02:27<aaron_>i feel less secure and confident however
02:28<zifnab>i thought about working for them. they invited me to their office even.
02:28<zifnab>i moved to seattle instead
02:29<aaron_>How is the tech scene in Seattle? Im either moving to London or Silicon Valley next. Tbh, I gotta get my brain working again.. Lyme Disease is ruined me and is likely why I made this error
02:31<aaron_>any tech entrepreneurs here?
02:32<dcraig>what about the silicon forest? :p
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02:34<aaron_>i hate nature now
02:35<aaron_>thank you everyone, bedtime for me
02:35<dcraig>the sun'll come up tomorrow
02:35<zifnab>aaron_: its really really good if you know what you're doing
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02:50<zifnab>got quiet
02:50<zifnab>i don't like quiet
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02:54<dcraig>what can be done?
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03:32<zifnab>sing me a song oh piano man
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03:32<zifnab>sing me a song tonight?
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04:09<rsdehart># /etc/init.d/tightvncserver
04:09<rsdehart># Customised by Stewart Watkiss
04:09<rsdehart># /etc/init.d/tightvncserver
04:10<rsdehart># Customised by Stewart Watkiss
04:10<rsdehart># Set the VNCUSER variable to the name of the user to start tightvncserver under
04:10<rsdehart>eval cd ~$VNCUSER
04:10<rsdehart>case "$1" in
04:10<rsdehart> start)
04:10<rsdehart> su $VNCUSER -c '/usr/bin/tightvncserver :1'
04:10<rsdehart> echo "Starting TightVNC server for $VNCUSER "
04:10<rsdehart> ;;
04:10<rsdehart> stop)
04:10<rsdehart> pkill Xtightvnc
04:10<Woet>can you not?
04:10<rsdehart> echo "Tightvncserver stopped"
04:10<rsdehart> ;;
04:10<rsdehart> *)
04:10<rsdehart> echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/tightvncserver {start|stop}"
04:10<rsdehart> exit 1
04:10<rsdehart> ;;
04:10<rsdehart>exit 0#!/bin/sh
04:10<rsdehart># /etc/init.d/tightvncserver
04:10<rsdehart># Customised by Stewart Watkiss
04:10<rsdehart># Set the VNCUSER variable to the name of the user to start tightvncserver under
04:11<rsdehart>eval cd ~$VNCUSER
04:11<rsdehart>case "$1" in
04:11<rsdehart> start)
04:11<rsdehart> su $VNCUSER -c '/usr/bin/tightvncserver :1'
04:11<rsdehart> echo "Starting TightVNC server for $VNCUSER "
04:11<rsdehart> ;;
04:11<rsdehart> stop)
04:11<rsdehart> pkill Xtightvnc
04:11<rsdehart> echo "Tightvncserver stopped"
04:11<rsdehart> ;;
04:11<rsdehart> *)
04:11<rsdehart> echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/tightvncserver {start|stop}"
04:11<rsdehart> exit 1
04:11<rsdehart> ;;
04:11<rsdehart>sorry :(
04:12<internat>the fuck.
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04:16<rollingWolf>I can understand theres jsut 1 ipv4 per vps, but is it possible to get more ipv6 or do I have to send a request form anyway?
04:18<rollingWolf>Woet Cheers :)
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04:48<Ashish>any working 50$ promotional code
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05:34<subhendu91>Hi,Can I make payment through indian VISA debit card?
05:35<d1g1t>probably not
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05:35<subhendu91> only credit card is available..right?
05:36<sandeep>seems to work from some banks. but otherwise, yeah, just credit cards
05:36<nagra>im new to irssi
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05:39<rollingWolf>nagra Räksmörgås
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05:39<rollingWolf>(literally Shrimpsandwich) . . OFten used to determine if utf8 is set up properly ;)
05:39<nagra>hello rollingwolf
05:41<rollingWolf>nagra Hi
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05:58<nagra>irssi is good
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06:07<lubarch>helo peng
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07:54<adancy>Hello all. With Linode's recent move to KVM instead of Xen has anyone been able to get any recent version of Mac OS X working on a Linode? I know it's theoretically possible to get OS X working on KVM but it certainly used to require some patching of KVM itself.
07:56<@Rainbow>adancy, there is no currently legal way of running OS X on non-Apple hardware.
07:57<@Rainbow>Regardless of the technical ability to do so, please refrain from asking about illegal things within #linode
07:58<adancy>@rainbow, I'm aware Apple have that restriction. Interestingly that sort of restrictive clause is not actually valid here in the UK, as EU law forbids such restrictions. Mind you it would be an expensive process to try to prove Apple wrong on that!
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08:00<@Rainbow>adancy, as Linode is a US-based cpmpany, usage of Linode services must be in compliance with US law. As those restrictions are indeed valid under US law, you'll need to refrain from doing so. Honestly, I'm not exactly personally fond of arbitrary restrictions that exist only to restrict what we can do with tech, but.....the law is the law .-.
08:01*rollingWolf hands Rainbow the MC#1 lawbook, and a Judge badge
08:01*Rainbow needs none of these. She has a cheap suit, hair gel, and google.
08:01*Rainbow is automagically the best lawyer ever forever.
08:02<adancy>OK, fair enough. Wouldn't want to get Linode into trouble as it's such a good service!
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08:02<rollingWolf>:) Oh, I thought I would send you out to the cursed earth to spread justice to the mutant heathens
08:02<rollingWolf>Or something
08:02<rollingWolf>I havent read Judge Dredd in ages
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08:02<@Rainbow>even better <3
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08:02*Rainbow brings Justice to megacity one
08:03<aberrios>using knife linode, it keeps insisting on using a 32bit kernel no matter what options I set,, haven't changed anything in my knife config, was working before the weekend. Anyone else seeing similar issues?
08:04*dzho looks up "knife linode"
08:04<rollingWolf>Rainbow dunno how "valid" or made up this one is ;)
08:04<avenj>sounds cutting edge
08:05<rollingWolf>*slow clapping*
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08:08<rollingWolf>Question, Im apparently still running XEN, what would hte difference be to upgrade to kVM?
08:10<@Rainbow>rollingWolf, some people have seen upwards of a 300% increase in performance, though the main bonus is being able to install alternative OSes
08:10<rollingWolf>Rainbow Ok. I assume If I were to install, say Windows Server 2012 Ill have to provide my own serial right?
08:12<@Rainbow>rollingWolf, correct
08:12<rollingWolf>The heck with it, Ill just upgrade anyway .. Ill have to say ttfn since the bnc till go down
08:13<rollingWolf>Thank you for calling the mental health hotline, if you are obsessive compulsive then press 1 repedetly, if you are dependent ask someone to press 2 for you, if you have multiple personality disorder please press 3, 4 and 5
08:14<rollingWolf>If you are dyslexic pres 6 9 6 9 6 9 6 9
08:14<rollingWolf>Or somethign ;) i dotn rememeber exactly how that one goes .. its fun anyway :)
08:15<rollingWolf>if you have short term memory loss hang up and try calling again later
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08:30<rollingWolf>Rainbow Are you dealing with bots trying to bruteforce ssh? /var/log/auth.log is 0 bytes and belongs to systemd-network:adm . . I did setup fail2ban or wth its called but without a auth.log it doesnt do muich
08:30<rollingWolf>Ive set to key only auth anyway but still
08:32<Peng>rollingWolf: SSH bots happen to every IPv4 IP
08:32<@Rainbow>rollingWolf, everyone forever deals with bots trying to brute their way in :<
08:32<rollingWolf>Rainbow Peng Im aware of that, the question was if I even need to deal with it
08:32<Peng>fail2ban isn't especially useful when you have secure auth.
08:32<@Rainbow>also, obvious problem is obvious. You're using systemd ;p
08:32<Peng>rollingWolf: Not really.
08:33<rollingWolf>Peng Ok then :)
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08:34<rollingWolf>Bloodlevels in my coffeesystem is rising to dangerous levels .. Need some coffee IV stat
08:37<@Rainbow>rollingWolf, sounds like my morning x3
08:38<rollingWolf>Rainbow Im the only one at work (besides our bosses) that drinks coffee and theyre not here right now, so Ill have to survive on instantcoffee
08:39<rollingWolf>Too much hassle to roll to the kitchen and brew
08:39<rollingWolf>Its too small for me :S
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08:57<rollingWolf>Mmm cake
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09:22<mrasm>Hi there, is it possible to by more (SSD) storage for my linode instance?
09:23<Peng>No, you have to upgrade to a larger plan.
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09:37<sp_>hey guys
09:37<sp_>hope you all have a nice week
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12:26<Lauren_>Hello, I need help with something about SSL, could a support member PM me please? Thank you
12:27<akerl>This is the user community
12:27<gparent>support can be reached at or via ticket
12:27<gparent>they also answer the phone
12:27<Lauren_>Oh I see, thank you. Sorry about that
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12:38<petem001>hi anyone here?
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12:39<Jordack>whats up, gots tons of stuff to do and no ambition to do it.
12:39<Eugene> Welcome to my life
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12:39<petem001>On the pricing, can we pay for a whole year or does it need to be a monthly paiment?
12:39<Eugene>Invoices are generated monthly based upon usage. You can add a year's worth of funds to your account and your card will not be charged until it runs out
12:40<Eugene>There is (currently) no discount for pre-paying in this manner.... there used to be :-/
12:40<petem001>cool Thnaks Eugene.. just dont want to have a bill every damn months.. the less transaction the less it cost me.
12:41<Eugene>International card fees?
12:41<petem001>My CC company ask for a fee if buing outside canada
12:41<akerl>That's why I pay with bitcoins
12:41<psandin>that's strange, I would have assumed Canda was a more civilized place
12:42<petem001>I dont use bitcoins.. to volatile!
12:42<petem001>Just one more.. the 2 tb data is montly?
12:42<psandin>don't mind akerl, he's either 100% truthful or 100% lying, there's no middle ground, this is the latter
12:42<psandin>yeah, outbound only, inbound is free
12:44<petem001>wont have that much ;-) want to put a nice little Allstar node to be my central communication point for my Ham radio repeater.. the feed is voip and I will run max of 5 feed
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12:45<Meyer^>seems to be hard to use up all the transfer
12:46<Meyer^>Or well. I never run out anyway
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12:46<petem001>thanks for the answer .. Ordering the node right now! Have a great day!
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13:47<shinji257>I just checked out glish (without rebooting first) and noticed it reference ipxe. Does the KVMs support iPXE booting?
13:48<@Rainbow>shinji257, at this time, we do not have support for PXE booting.
13:48<shinji257>Are there any plans to potentially enable it in the future?
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13:49<shinji257>Maybe another beta later on once glish is done?
13:49*shinji257 is hopeful
13:51<psandin>that seems like a dangerous thing to let loose on the network
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13:51<psandin>useful to smart people... but yeah...
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13:58<arooni>about to upgrade my server from ubuntu 12.04 ==> 14.04 (server) ... anything I should keep in mind?
13:58<hawk>arooni: to back things up before you start in case things go south
13:59<arooni>whats the best way to back stuff up... i have code, some mysql databases, and hmmm some config files for sites i'm hosting and tools like .vimrc
14:00<hawk>Well, presumably you take backups on a regular basis...?
14:01<trippeh>good start, migrated two nodes to KVM, couple hours later both livelocks, no errors on lish console output, no ping, spinning 100% acording to manager
14:01<trippeh>rebooted now but wtf
14:01<hawk>trippeh: That's not great
14:01<arooni>hawk, well for the mysql databases yes... and right now i'm putting the dot files and config files into git repos
14:02<arooni>just want to make sure i'm not missing anything
14:03<gparent>the shitty part is that you're the only one in a position to know
14:03<gparent>but saving configs, database and user configurations come to mind
14:06<hawk>arooni: Well, /etc /var /home are some of the typical dirs you'll want stuff from. And you know best where you have your own application stuffs.
14:09<arooni>how do you folks typically backup your application config files
14:09<arooni>do you have a script, use git, etc?
14:10<arooni>i'm using vcsh/mr for the dot directory stuff in my home directory
14:10<akerl>Backing up config files is generally solving the problem by the wrong end
14:10<akerl>Rather than backing up config files, define the configuration you're laying down
14:11<arooni>can you elaborate a bit more please?
14:11<gparent>I find it easier to deploy configurations than backing them up and applying them
14:11<gparent>solves two problems at once for me
14:12<psandin>you don't need to back up seomthing you can create an unlimited number of replicas on demand
14:12<arooni>ah this is stuff like chef
14:12<hawk>While I would agree, maybe short term arooni should just back up what he has.
14:12<akerl>arooni: So, instead of setting up your configs and then backing up all the raw files, which are host-specific and include secrets and all kinds of painful things, you define the configuration with puppet or ansible or salt or chef or anything else like that
14:13<shinji257>You guys do not really want to know what I did during my 12.04 -> 14.04 upgrade. XD
14:13<akerl>hawk: I'd say that in that case, just take a snapshot of the full disk image and call it a day
14:13<arooni>if i dont have enough space for the snapshot in my disk space; can i pay for a bit more storage temporarily ?
14:13<arooni>shinji257, did you go through a lot of pain?
14:14<shinji257>arooni: More like I half-***ed it.
14:14<arooni>what did you do wrong?
14:14<akerl>arooni: ?
14:14<akerl>Go to Backups tab -> take manual snapshot -> get another beer
14:15<psandin>akerl: it's a bit early for step 3
14:15<akerl>It's 5am somewhere
14:15<shinji257>arooni: I made an "installed" packages list, shrunk the existing drive (to free up space), deployed a new (and clean) 14.04 install, then mounted the old 12.04 disk in read-only mode. After that transferred configs and updated as needed.
14:15<psandin>that's... yes, yes it is
14:15<akerl>something something docker
14:15<shinji257>arooni: Once I was satisfied with it I unmounted and deleted the old install. Expanded the new one to the full available capacity.
14:16<shinji257>Realistically I was planning to clean install it anyways going to 14.04 because I had a bunch of self-made packages and I didn't expect it to upgrade cleanly.
14:16<shinji257>Plus I was moving from x86 to x64 as well which isn't really an upgrade.
14:19<trippeh> yup
14:19<shinji257>lol. Network dies and one of the cores goes into a lock. Nice.
14:19<shinji257>Well not really "nice" but yes weird.
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14:25<shinji257>Next time that happens try and go in via lish and see if you can identify what is causing the issue. I'd be interested.
14:26<trippeh>lish console was unresponsive. nothing echoed back
14:26<trippeh>had to detach and destroy
14:27<shinji257>I wonder if it was a kernel crash. Maybe if it happens again glish will reveal something.
14:31<+linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Maintenance - Atlanta and Tokyo <>
14:33<trippeh>heh, one of them crashed again :P
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14:35<trippeh>glish just says my session is expired, logged in 2 minutes ago
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14:35<shinji257>You might have to try a second time.
14:35<shinji257>The first time loaded glish it did that to me too.
14:35<shinji257>*I loaded
14:36<trippeh>10 times still no go ;)
14:36<trippeh>ttyS0 dead again as well
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14:40<yuki>i need help of setting up ssl on my site
14:40<gparent>I'm sure many people here would be willing to be paid to do it.
14:41<yuki>I follow the instruction "Obtaining a Commercial SSL Certificate" on your site, but I have two signed file from the CA
14:41<laser`>one's probably the intermediate certs
14:41<laser`>which guide are you following?
14:41<laser`>oh, or they've given you like a .p12 and a .pem
14:42<yuki>they give me two crt
14:42<laser`>what are the filenames of the two? they'll probably indicate their purpose
14:43<yuki>one has random name like a3jsbfi1190.crt and another one is sf_boulde-g2-g1.crt
14:43<laser`>okay, how are you trying to deploy it?
14:43<grawity>that sounds like your own cert + the intermediate / "issuing CA" cert
14:43<laser`>and is it sf_boulde or sf_bundle?
14:44<laser`>okay, so that's an intermediate chain
14:44<trippeh>can lish attach a kernel debugger? :P
14:44<grawity>tbh one cool thing about these files is *you can look inside them* to figure out what they are >_<
14:44<trippeh>(I know.)
14:44<laser`>you need to put it in your config in a particular place, depending on what you're trying to deploy it to (nginx, Apache)
14:44<yuki>ok, so i need to rename the a3jsbfi1190.crt file to, right
14:45<laser`>tbh, there's a good chance that the people who have issued the certificate have their own instructions it may be worth looking at
14:45<yuki>ok, thanks,
14:45<laser`>no, you don't need to rename nything
14:45<yuki>ok, thanks
14:45<laser`>although you may want to to make it clearer
14:46<yuki>another question is the CA Root Certificate essential? since my CA doesn't give me this.
14:46<yuki>thanks everyone so much
14:47<gparent>Yes, the CA gives it to you, typically on their website
14:48<laser`>the sf_bundle might include the root certificate
14:48<yuki>ok, I got, I will search their website now. Thanks again
14:48<yuki>it's really appreciated
14:48<yuki>you guys have a nice day
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14:53<trippeh>humz. sysrq is working!
14:55<arooni>anyone using mr / vcsh here? i'm having trouble getting mr update to run and actually work. i've got vcsh working. i think its because of my mr config is a bit off. also; if i added a config file on one machine and its setup on the config on mr... do i need to vcsh TOOLNAME first ?
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15:09<trippeh>oh! hmmm
15:09<arooni>what would be the benefit of running a 64 bit version of ubuntu on a linode slice over the 32 bit version
15:09<gparent>you will be part of the 20th century, if not the 21st.
15:09<@caker>more than 3G of RAM per process, for instance...
15:10<@caker>interface counters that don't wrap around with a small number
15:13<MajObviousman>we will make fun of you if you only use 32-bit
15:13<MajObviousman>you have to wear the 32-bit paper bag of shame and sing the I'm-very-sorry song to the channel
15:15<sirpengi>someone ship me a 32bit paper bag of shame
15:15<MajObviousman>you could also borrow a Whole Foods bag. The song of shame is almost identical
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15:23<trippeh>[ 218.096700] sysrq: SysRq : Trigger a crash
15:23<trippeh>best sysrq
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15:33<shinji257>Some applications are only written to work in 64-bit mode or work better with that. Examples: Docker and LXC.
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15:50<trippeh>shinji257: seems to be just my kernel that is busted. so not linode/host
15:50*trippeh has a repro case and goes bisect hunting
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15:51<+linbot>New news from docs: Introduction to FirewallD on CentOS <>
15:53<DrJ>is there possibly some packet loss in atlanta right now?
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15:55<jay_>I'm seeing the packet loss to atlanta as well
15:56<DrJ>glad its not just me then
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15:57<DrJ>seems to be better over the last minute or so
15:57<DrJ>was taking my website like 10+ seconds to load and dropping my audio stream like crazy... now its holding and instant load
15:58<jay_>of course, because I'm halfway though typing up my support ticket
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15:58<DrJ>I was about to open ticket as well
15:58<DrJ>didn't want to look stupid though and wanted confirmation here first
15:59<gparent>I wonder how many issues stay unnoticed because of that behavior
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16:00<gparent>"I'll make sure at least 1 person from an extremely small sample of clients is having an issue before saying something"
16:00<akerl>I like to think we're the only sample of clients that matters
16:00<DrJ>good point akerl
16:00<gparent>that's one way to take it
16:00<gparent>however wrong
16:00<DrJ>gparent, I will say typically when there is packet loss at least a few others will be complaining here
16:00<DrJ>I was surprised to see none though until I asked
16:01<gparent>Well, maybe they were waiting for others to ask.
16:01<gparent>That's a bit my point, tbh.
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16:13<Kyhwana>lol no
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16:33<trippeh>something something 4.1.9 blowing up
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16:50<sid_>Hey guys idlike to speak to a linode support representative but the phone number listed on your websit oes not work
16:50<sid_>what is the correct number?
16:51<@jfred>the number on the website would normally work, but:
16:51<@jfred>you can still open a ticket or email us at
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16:51<Eugene>Conspiracy theory: the LInode support phone number is hooked up to a status-updating bot that proclaims the phones are beoken
16:52<Eugene>It's foolproof
16:52<+linbot>New news from status: Phone Support Temporarily Unavailable <>
16:53<sid_>Ok so the question I have is.. I purchased an SSL cert. I want to install it on my linode balancer. The SSL certificate instructions says I have to install on webserver in order to generate private key and CSR
16:53<sid_>so can I do this whole thing on load balancer? Or do I need to touch the web server
16:53<akerl>If you already got the cert, you already did the CSR/key part
16:53<Eugene>You need to make a .key and a matching .csr. This can be done on your server, or any box with `openssl`.
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16:54<Eugene>Feed the .csr to their panel; they will make a .crt
16:54<Eugene>The .crt(sometimes in .pem format.... same thing) and .key both go into the NodeBalancer
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16:54<sid_>Ok cool. But I do not need to modify any apache settings since I am installing it on the load balancer. Correct?
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16:55<Eugene>(I'm guessing that you've paid-for the cert, but haven't actually generated it yet)
16:55<sid_>yea i paid for it on godaddy
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17:15<synapt>sid_: I'd suggest or next time, or even try letsencrypt when they came out
17:16<synapt>godaddy is a ripoff for SSL certs :P
17:17<synapt>akerl: Don't even tell me you're gonna defend godaddy's $70 DV cert price
17:17<synapt>I'll smack you with a fish
17:18*Celti uses and applied for the letsencrypt beta
17:19<synapt>Yeah I've been using comodosslstore and ssls for a long time, never had a single problem. the main problem letsencrypt has is it's all automated and requires a tool designed to work with your httpd to 'activate' SSL certs. At the moment apache is the only one officially supported, though the lighttpd guys have one coming out that will work with lighty
17:19<Celti>Couldn't get the LE autoconfiguration client working on Arch, though
17:19<Celti>synapt: You can use the LE client manually
17:19<synapt>Can you? Ah
17:19<Celti>it doesn't *have* to work with your httpd
17:20<synapt>Their site put heavy emphasis on it mostly being automatic
17:20<Celti>It *is* entirely automated on the CA side of things
17:20<Celti>and it *can* be automated on your end
17:20<synapt>well yeah
17:21<Celti>If you do automate it on your end you get things like automatic renewals with no intervention required
17:21<Celti>which is a Good Thing in an always-TLSed world
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17:21<Celti>and so they're pushing it heavily
17:23<Celti>but honestly if they *didn't* have a manual method they'd be shooting themselves in the foot
17:23<Celti>the autoconfiguration not only only works on Apache right now, it also only works on Debian-flavoured Apache
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17:38<Kyhwana>don't they have an nginx one too?
17:38<MajObviousman>synapt: you mean to say that lighty is _NOT_ dead?
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17:39<synapt>MajObviousman: Not at all? I still use it for most things
17:40<MajObviousman>oh scuse me, 2.0
17:41<synapt>2.0 isn't out yet
17:41<MajObviousman>that's my joke
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17:42<synapt>not sure what's a joke about it, 1.4 still tends to run circles around apache 2.4 so
17:42<MajObviousman>1.4 is pretty solid
17:42<synapt>also well documented and extremely easy to maintain :P
17:42<synapt>The only -major- thing lighttpd lacks is spdy, and I've been trying to remedy that in my spare time
17:42<MajObviousman>I recall 3 years ago that I ran into some serious issues with 1.4 at a pretty large scale, and the fixes wouldn't come until 1.5
17:43<MajObviousman>but 1.5 fizzled and got too big and became 2.0
17:43<MajObviousman>and then 2.0 dried out and stopped moving
17:43<synapt>yeah 2.0 is an otherwise pretty huge rework, will likely have HTTP/2 (aka SPDYv4) as well
17:43<MajObviousman>probably by now, the fixes I sought back then are now in 1.4
17:43<MajObviousman>but I don't even recall the situation anymore
17:43<synapt>Could be
17:44<synapt>the only major issue I ran into in the past few years w/ lighty was a vuln where SSL settings weren't being inherited into SNI containers properly
17:44<synapt>which resulted in potentially weak https://
17:44<synapt>but that was fixed a good while back
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17:44<synapt>of course now that I've spoke so well on it, it's being a pain in the ass and not loading my one new certificate right
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17:45<MajObviousman>it heard you
17:45<synapt>See, lighttpd is down to earth it makes you not talk too well about it so it's own ego won't inflate
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17:52<storrgie>Other than installing ssmtp and setting the root to my email address, do I need to do anything else to get alerts if there is a message generated on my server?
17:52<storrgie>(also setting up and testing to see if ssmtp is working, as well as checking to see if its registered as the system mta)
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19:15<arooni>id like to upgrade from 12.04 ubuntu => 14.04 ... should i migrate to KVM first?
19:15<arooni>or after?
19:15<akerl>doesn't matter much
19:15<akerl>Just be prepared for a future where you need to rebuild from your backups
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20:28<trippeh>Phew - 4.1.9 crashes on Xen PV as well :)
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21:04<trippeh>come on, crash already
21:05<trippeh>crash & burn
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22:20<trippeh>well well, faulty commit located
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22:31<nzgeoff>im getting pm spam in this channel :/
22:31*schwa wonders how many users that comment prompted to pm spam nzgeoff
22:31<akerl>PM spam seems like the opposite of "in [a] channel"
22:32<akerl>You'd probably want to head to #oftc for that, though, given they're the ones who administer the network
22:32<tburke>what in the hell is going on
22:33<tburke>why am i getting private-messaged
22:33<schwa>PM FIGHT!
22:33<warewolf>wow that was quick
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22:34<gparent>it was more of a 'from' thing, indeed. less of an 'in'
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22:36<Yaazkal>I'm receiving pms too
22:36<GLolol>you can set +G if it's really being annoying - it blocks people from spamming you unless they share a channel with you
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22:37<Yaazkal>GLolol: thanks, not many messages, just too. But is more about to warn other people. Because they ask "how may I help you" and maybe someone gets fished
22:38<Yaazkal>just two*
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22:39<GLolol>pretty sure we're all referring to the PM spam because I just got it too
22:39<akerl>Have folks here been following the hashiconf announcements?
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22:52<Turl>I got a PM asking if they could PM me. wut
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23:46<storrgie>Turl, from Dorian?
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23:48<Turl>storrgie: no, someone named gazarsgo
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