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#linode IRC Logs for 2015-10-19

---Logopened Mon Oct 19 00:00:33 2015
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00:29-!-Guest5673 is "Jordan" on @#xclnAdmin #linode # #help #Yoda #linux #oftc
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00:42<Peng>Rude. I'd barely been online 6 hours and i get booted for the Xen thing :(
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00:47*dcraig tickles peng around a bit with a large crappie
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00:52<akerl>That's why all my servers are still UML
00:52<akerl>no pesky XSAs for me
00:52<Peng>:3
00:53<akerl>I guesss I really ought to finish up fixing my udev derp
00:54<akerl>turns out if you tell your potato to bring up eth0 but udev has played sneaky games and renamed the interface to enp9000s3.14, you're gonna have a bad time
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01:16<walter_>Hello, i was wondering what is an easy way to restore from a backup, i've looked through documentation and can't really find an answer. I've enabled backups about a week ago.
01:17<akerl>step 1) go to backup tab. Step 2) select backup. Step 3) hit "restore"
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01:18<akerl>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/backup-service#restoring-from-a-backup
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01:20<walter_>Thank you sir
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02:17<Overand>Anyone know if I can find out what IP address a given account is logged into my linode acct? (management control panel, not server)
02:20<Overand>Scratch that, false alarm
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02:24<kyhwana>?
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02:37<dcraig>kyhwana, scratch it.
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02:42<kyhwana>kitty on my foot and i want to touch it..
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02:43<dcraig>go eat a peach
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02:48<kyhwana>millions of peaches
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03:38<dharm>hi
03:38<dcraig>pickles
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04:14<dcraig>you're dashing
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07:21<Aretaeio>need urgent assistance
07:23<HoopyCat>Aretaeio: if you need urgent assistance from linode themselves, https://www.linode.com/contact/ ... open a ticket or call
07:25<olloksolkim>Aretaeio: ?
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09:20<atrus>so, now that i've converted my linode to kvm, is there anything i need to do to cancel the reboot?
09:21<akerl>What reboot?
09:22<skn>Hi all, I have a linode from the good old days of 1024/2048/.. and want to upgrade it. I used to get 10% off for yearly payment. Now I need to upgrade. I am told that as long as I use the same linode, I can keep the old pricing format and also the 10% discount.
09:22<akerl>skn: Yes
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09:22<skn>The question is, how do I upgrade? I can't see any button/option in the Linode Manager
09:23<akerl>it's in the lower right of the dashboard
09:23<skn>akerl: also, while I am at it, can I move the linode from London to Frankfurt DC?
09:23<akerl>Only if you upgrade it all the way and then covert it to kvm
09:24<skn>akerl: I am on KVM already
09:24<skn>or I am guessing that was not meant for me? :)
09:24<akerl>that seems unlikely
09:25<atrus>akerl: the xen-security reboot
09:25<akerl>atrus: Does your dashboard show you have a reboot pending?
09:25<skn>akerl: I am already on KVM, I remember doing that some months ago. Now all I want to do is upgrade to next higher plan (4096 I guess?)
09:26<skn>and I can't find that option in the manager or I am blind
09:26<akerl>skn: What makes you think you haven't already done that?
09:26<akerl>Pretty sure you had to upgrade to the newer plans *before* upgrading to kvm
09:27<skn>Is there a way to confirm I am on KVM? I think I am. For example, my mount points are like "/dev/sdc"
09:27<akerl>You could look on the Dashboard
09:27<akerl>does it say "KVM" or "Xen"
09:28<skn>"london1045 KVM" but plan says "Linode 2048 (10% Discount)" :)
09:28<akerl>So you're all set
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09:29<skn>akerl: I am guessing I am not being very clear. I am not asking this because of the Xen security issue. I just want to upgrade my current 2048 plan to 4096
09:30<akerl>So go to the "Resize" tab and do that
09:31<skn>and for me to move DCs, should I open a new ticket after I resize?
09:31<akerl>Or before
09:31<akerl>one of those
09:32<skn>ok, thx
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09:34<Miller>hi
09:35<skn>for the first time in my interaction with Linode system, I got a n authoritative response from IRC faster than on support!
09:35<skn>thx akerl
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09:44<MIller>hi
09:45<MIller>i like informations Support Ticket 5345413
09:46<synapt>?
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09:47<MIller>hi
09:48<MIller>please informations ticket 5545413
09:48<@alexf>MIller: this is the community chat. Do not expect the folks in here to have access to support tickets. Even those that would would not break privacy policy by discussing it with someone on IRC who's not authenticated as an account holder.
09:49<@alexf>sorry, even those that do* ( I hate double verbs).
09:49<MIller>sorry
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09:51<@alexf>... I didn't say I hated him...
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10:45<mdc_>Quick question - why can I not create a 2048-sized linode in New Jersey? Followup: will I be able to any time soon?
10:45<akerl>Why does it say you cannot
10:47<mdc_>"The plan you selected is not available. Please choose a different plan and try again."
10:47<mdc_>I actually got a better error last night that said something along the lines of "not accepting new orders at this datacenter at this time"
10:48<akerl>Sounds like that's why
10:48<mdc_>Yeah, I can figure that much out
10:48<mdc_>I need to make a new machine there so I can do an upgrade
10:49<akerl>So the answers are, essentially: "you can't make one because they currently don't have any to sell you", and "they'll have more ASAP"
10:50<mdc_>I'm hoping someone from linode can tell me what "asap" translates to
10:50<gparent>As soon as possible
10:50<akerl>gparent: Oh, no
10:50<gparent>As soon as powered on?
10:51<akerl>At Linode, ASAP has historically meant Awaiting Some Awesome Partying
10:51<gparent>I bet they're planning quite a party for Tokyo
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10:51<akerl>Once the party is done, availability will be restored
10:52<mdc_>gparent, thanks for your "help", but what I meant was *when* that might be
10:52<rnowak>as soon as possible
10:52<akerl>rnowak: Are you sure?
10:52<Squall>Hi, what are you have processors on SSD VPS?
10:53<gparent>No problem, always there.
10:53<mdc_>What's surprising is that my expectations of the usefulness of the irc channel weren't actually low enough
10:53<gparent>It's as if we didn't have the answer
10:53<gparent>And asking for it many times won't change that
10:53<akerl>mdc_: Are you expecting somebody here to pull out their crystal ball?
10:53<gparent>But I'm just guessing
10:54<akerl>Pretty sure Linode's actual staff are busy actually working
10:54<mdc_>Yeah, was hoping that perhaps there were some linode types hanging out in here
10:54<gparent>There are.
10:54<mdc_>I'm busy working, too - this is "work" to me if you can believe it
10:54<gparent>You were hoping someone had an answer for you, and sadly that's not the case. And it has nothing to do with us.
10:54<mdc_>gparent, I have no expectation of you knowing this if you don't work at linode
10:55<mdc_>You've managed to meet my expectations, but frankly a garden snail could do the same
10:55<gparent>I would suggest asking the people of Linode so you can get the same answer.
10:55<gparent>Try a support ticket, or email.
10:55<mdc_>I'm going to, just hoped I could quickly find out
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10:55<gparent>lol
10:56<mdc_>I forgot how much fun irc could be
10:56<mdc_>Anyone want to have a go at Squall's question up there?
10:57<gparent>I didn't understand it. He seems to be asking for something with an answer at least.
10:57<mdc_>My question has an answer, just unknown to those of us outside of linode
10:57<gparent>You're in for a disappointment
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10:59<rnowak>does it really say "argue with people on irc and be mightily salty about it" in your job description? since you called it work, I mean
11:00<gparent>at this point I'm inclined to believe he's a CIA interogator
11:02<mdc_>I'm not "arguing", I just asked a simple question and people who weren't even remotely qualified to answer tried to.
11:02<mdc_>But I do like "mightily salty" - nice one there
11:03<gparent>You specifically chose a channel full of people who aren't qualified, which might be why they tried.
11:03<mdc_>For those who may wonder - I just called. The problem seems to be with the monthly billing. He said if I convert to metered billing I could create one right away. But they're aware of the problem and fixing it
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11:03<mdc_>I chose the #linode channel - linked from their web site - thinking that staff might monitor and help
11:03<mdc_>My bad
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11:04<mdc_>Anyway, that's the answer, if anyone else asks you might be able to actually help
11:04<gparent>It's alright, happens.
11:04<gparent>Hence the advice to ticket in :) Glad it solved the problem.
11:04*mdc_ says so long and thanks for all the fish!
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11:06<@Rainbow>o.o
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11:07<gparent>Rainbow: You had one job
11:08<sp_>that was fun :)
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11:17<varoe_>Yeah, salty mdc guy. Totally wrong. Not much anyone can do until what I assume is a bombardment of stupidity is resolved by linode techs. God Speed.
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11:19<mdc>varoe_: Wrong mdc :-p
11:20<varoe_>ah
11:20<varoe_>my bad
11:21<mdc>no worries
11:21<varoe_>Either way, I feel bad for anyone having to deal with a brunt of pissed of customers in the web hosting business. I've been waiting for a response for an hour on my ticket so I imagine that they're swamped.
11:22<varoe_>off*
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11:26<dmedvedev>Hello, folks, is it normal that after enabling 2 factor auth the login stops working with "-- pending activation --" message?
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11:30<varoe_>Have you checked your e-mail to determine if something was sent pending activation/acknowledgement ? I've never enabled it myself, so I don't know.
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11:32<akerl>That doesn't refer to 2fa
11:32<akerl>it refers to your whole account
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11:34<atrus>akerl: i didn't know to check it, i just had the ticket open. I updated the ticket, and someone responded that it wouldn't be rebooted any more (shrug).
11:35<akerl>atrus: Well, if you have scheduled maint it shows up in giant yellow boxes on the list of Linodes and that Linode's dashboard
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11:35<akerl>along w/ there being a scheduled maint column calling out timelines for each reboot you have scheduled
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11:37<dmedvedev>Nope, no activation emails in inbox.
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13:59<tswartz>does anyone else keep getting logged out of manager.linode.com?
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14:05<@ccravens>tswartz: Sorry, development is doing some emergency code changes trying to deal with the security reboots we're preparing to do.
14:06<@ccravens>Trying to keep customers from shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak, but code changes will reset your sessions.
14:06<tswartz>join the club ;)
14:06<@ccravens>I'm a long-time member of that club. :)
14:06<tswartz>i have two servers that i'm migrating before my maintenance
14:06<tswartz>thankfully i did the majority of them a while back
14:07<@ccravens>Just migrating in general, or to KVM?
14:08<tswartz>kvm hopefully. right now i'm using a kernel that refused to run on kvm. i think i found a solution that doesn't need vrrp support thought. about to test it out
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14:28<kcaj>Hey Guys
14:28<Ryuske>I have an XSA for one of my servers. Is there a way I can clone it to a new server without experiencing any downtime?
14:28<kcaj>Sh I'm speaking
14:28<akerl>Ryuske: Sure
14:28<akerl>Well, no
14:29<Ryuske>Hmm?
14:29<akerl>You can create a new Linode, you can deploy whatever you want on the new VM, but at some point in there you need to either swap IPs or update DNS or whatever
14:29<kcaj>So I have an excel spread sheet with a few hundred names in one column and they're corresponding email address in the following column. I need to email them all, addressing them each by name, and I need to save the outgoing emails onto my mail account/IMAP. How can I do this?
14:29<akerl>there's no magic cloud button
14:29<kcaj>You can swap the IPs
14:29<akerl>kcaj: this sounds like a job for literally any templating language
14:30<kcaj>If you're application relies on a single Linode though, a reboot isn't going to cause the world to stop spinning
14:30<Ryuske>Right, I have no problem swapping IPs. But I could do the clone without the existing server being disrupted?
14:31<Ryuske>kcaj this is true, but I'd rather mitigate as much downtime as possible
14:31<kcaj>Ryuske: What is your website/app?
14:31<Ryuske>mymfunding.com
14:32<tswartz>i have 1 linode that keeps dropping the private ip address randomly. as soon as i restart the network with /etc/init.d/networking restart it pops right back up. the issue started, stopped for 2 month, and just started agin. any ideas?
14:33<kcaj>So my mailing list
14:33<kcaj>I just want an app on my Mac to do it for me really
14:33<kcaj>I only send the mail a few times a year
14:33<Peng>Maybe it's telling you you should use IPv6 and drop 192.168/16 permanently. ;P
14:34<tswartz>Peng :(
14:34<Peng>tswartz: I dunno. Pastebin your networking config? Plus ip -4 a and ip -4 r when it's working and when it's not?
14:34<tswartz>i haven't even began to look into it
14:34<Peng>Is it using DHCP?
14:34<tswartz>no, it's static
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14:35<MajObviousman>no, it's becky
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14:35<Ryuske>kcaj I answered your question if you missed it lol
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14:35<bharath>hii
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14:36<kcaj>Ryuske: I didn't see so
14:36<kcaj>If you did, send it again please, I'm on train Wi-Fi right now :(
14:36<Ryuske>kcaj it's mymfunding.com
14:36<kcaj>I see
14:36<kcaj>Well, I'd just sit with reboot to be honest.
14:36<kcaj>It's going to be less than 30 minutes downtime, if that
14:37<Ryuske>30 minutes is a long time when you're talking about people in need who are trying to raise money haha
14:37<tswartz>Peng, http://pastebin.com/XFcbU4zQ
14:37<Ryuske>But I might just reboot. We'll see
14:37<tswartz>that is with internal down
14:38<MajObviousman>well, Ryuske you could spend a whole lot of money and time (which = money) to make sure your site never goes down by removing all single points of failure
14:38<Ryuske>I'll monitor it for a few days and pick an option
14:38<tswartz>Peng, local ip up http://pastebin.com/TeKwUP6A
14:38<MajObviousman>or you could just keep roling your $20/mo VPS and accept that every so often there might need to be a shortish reboot
14:38<bharath>can any one plz guide how to install wordpress and add domain to https://manager.linode.com/dns
14:38<MajObviousman>the later saves you and us a whole lot of effort
14:38<Ryuske>MajObviousman there's a different between avoiding ALL downtime, and preventing KNOWN downtime
14:38<bharath>http://results24.co.in/telangana-university-results-2016-tu-degree-results-2016-telangana-university-result-2016www-telanganauniversity-ac-in/
14:38<Ryuske>difference*
14:38<kcaj>Ryuske: The problem is, if you migrate elsewhere you're going to downtime too, as you'll have to pause actions on the site to avoid losing some data in-between.
14:39<MajObviousman>well, the way to avoid this particarul downtime is to quickly scramble a duplicate box and then do an IP swap
14:39<MajObviousman>which was already mentioned
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14:39<MajObviousman>but that only works if your site is pretty much static
14:39<MajObviousman>if there's any dynamic components or DB pieces in there, they'll have to be shared amongst two fully functioning sites for the "seamless IP swap" to work
14:39<kcaj>MajObviousman: Doesn't look static enough for that.
14:39<MajObviousman>yeap
14:39<bharath>can u guide me where
14:39<MajObviousman>not many sites are
14:39<MajObviousman>SSGs and throwaways, mainly
14:40<Ryuske>I could do it that way and avoid downtime, maybe ~5 seconds of downtime. But I already have my questions answered lol
14:40<MajObviousman>yes
14:40<MajObviousman>it can be done, but it's pretty much too late for it to be done for your upcoming window
14:40<Ryuske>All I wanted to know is if I could clone it without interrupting the existing Linode lol
14:40<Peng>tswartz: My vague suspicion is that your DHCP client trashes it for some reason.
14:40<MajObviousman>you have to prepare well in advance and design it in to your sites' engineering
14:40<Ryuske>My window isn't for another 10 days. Plenty of time to do the swap
14:41<MajObviousman>Peng: good vague suspicion
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14:41<Peng>tswartz: You could switch over to using Network Helper.
14:41<MajObviousman>oh yeah, you got time then
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14:42<tswartz>i'm unfamiliar with network helper, never heard of it
14:42<MajObviousman>but, opportunity cost consideration: is putting all that work in worth the time lost that you could spend on something else?
14:42<Peng>It's.. .uh....
14:42<Peng>tswartz: It's a thingamajig to have the cloud magic generate your networking config files automagically on boot.
14:42<@jfred>tswartz: so it looks like you have both DHCP and static networking set for eth0 in your interfaces file
14:42<MajObviousman>in the end, a bit of downtime, especially if its well communicated to your end users, is not such a bad thing
14:42<@jfred>see lines 8 and 12
14:42<Ryuske>MajObviousman it isn't that much time. It would take less than 20 minutes of my time
14:42<MajObviousman>well then there you go
14:43<MajObviousman>glhf
14:43<tswartz>Peng, jfred. interesting, thanks
14:43<kcaj>So MajObviousman, you seem like a clever guy.
14:43<kcaj>Halp me with my emails.
14:43<MajObviousman>uhhhhh
14:43<MajObviousman>DUH DUH DOI HOW I MINE 4 FISH
14:43<@ccravens>https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/network-helper
14:43<@jfred>you'll want to use static networking for both your private and public addresses - or use network helper, which pretty much just does that for you
14:43*MajObviousman bangs laptop against desk to try and make it faster
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14:44<MajObviousman>kcaj: I could actually help you with your email conundrum, but there are cheaper options out there
14:44<tswartz>yeah, i'll set it all static and see if that resolves it. i had thought it fixed itself after working for a couple of months
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14:45<kcaj>MajObviousman: You mean being a fellow Linodian doesn't bag me free halp? :(
14:45<MajObviousman>nope. I don't do Work for free
14:46<MajObviousman>pointers are usually free(ish), depending on my mood
14:46<MajObviousman>and my pointer is that what you are wanting can be done with almost any modern scripting language
14:46<kcaj>I don't script
14:46<tswartz>you could learn
14:47<tswartz>i get by knowing php and bash
14:47<kcaj>I'll search Github when I get home
14:47<MajObviousman>good start
14:47<tswartz>it's probably a 20 line secript
14:47<kcaj>So, problem No. 2
14:47<MajObviousman>there's also some services that aren't technically scripting but more like a switchboard, putting things together
14:48<MajObviousman>sometimes, the $THING you're trying to do is simple enough that it can be done in one of these services
14:48<MajObviousman>zapier comes to mind
14:49<tswartz>Peng, joy for me. ucarp does just a good of a job as keepalived
14:50<tswartz>with no need for vrrp kernel
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15:13<terabyte>hey
15:13<terabyte>I added a TXT record, but it doesn't show up in here: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=txt%3aschema.tf&run=toolpage
15:13<Peng>When did you add it?
15:14<terabyte>like 30 minutes ago
15:14<Peng>What's the domain ?Did you get the record name right?
15:14<Peng>You might've accidentally created it with the name example.com.example.com. or something.
15:16<terabyte>DNS Manager -> schema.tf -> edit resource record Name DZC, Value <<verification code>>
15:17<@jfred>note that doing a DNS lookup for schema.tf will *only* show the records for schema.tf, not any subdomains
15:17<terabyte>so the name should be blank?
15:17<tswartz>terabyte, v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ~all <--- this text record?
15:18<terabyte>that is one of the txt records. (the only 1 without a name)
15:18<terabyte>but there's another record i want to see
15:18<tswartz>so do a dig on it
15:18<gparent>THen you should query for that one with mxtoolbox or whatever else
15:18<tswartz>that is your only txt record for @
15:18<tswartz>dig schema.tf txt
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15:19<Peng>Is schema.tf a real domain?
15:20<Peng>Oh.
15:20<Peng>Sorry, I was having a typo.
15:20<terabyte>:)
15:21<Peng>schema.tf. 300 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ~all"
15:21<Peng>schema.tf. 300 IN TXT "BjIQpAnv"
15:21<Peng>All good?
15:21<terabyte>yeah
15:21<terabyte>that's what i see on the console
15:22<terabyte>for some reason the guys i bought an ssl from say they can't see it though (the BjIQpAnv)
15:22<terabyte>" Add a TXT DNS record with the value BjIQpAnv"
15:22<Peng>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
15:22<terabyte>:)
15:23<terabyte>alright so long as it's good from my end
15:23<Peng>terabyte: Probably. Is it possible they wanted it under a different name?
15:23<terabyte>i tried under 2 names. blank. and DZC
15:24<Peng>Maybe their DNS servers have the old name cached.
15:24<Peng>old value*
15:24<terabyte>i've gone back to DZC
15:24<terabyte>ok that's fine
15:24<terabyte>thanks :)
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15:27<Amante_>hello
15:28*Amante_ slaps johnmusbach around a bit with a large fishbot
15:28<Amante_>anyone who can help me?
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15:29<tswartz>Amante_, unlikely without you stating the problem
15:29<@jfred>!ask
15:29<@jfred>oh man linbot's still dead
15:29<Cromulent>heh
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15:32<Amante_>Ok I'm new here and i do not understand, I have 13 restaurants and i had company doing my website but now i hired new people and they need some information and they told me that previous people used Linode but i can't get in touch with them
15:33<Amante_>" Your hosting provider is Linode, you can check details from "builtwith.com/amantepizzaandpasta.com". So if you do not able to contact your previous development company then you can contact Linode directly for your hosting details." that is what i got from them
15:33<Amante_>what do i do so they can continue they work?\
15:34<Peng>Amante_: Your old company should have given you all of your account details.
15:34<Amante_>I know but they didn't
15:35<terabyte>where's that emote..
15:35<Amante_>I guess they are mad because i fired them
15:35<Peng>Amante_: Is the account paid for via your credit card?
15:35<Peng>Amante_: In your name
15:35<Peng>?
15:35<Amante_>I guess i paid for a lot of things
15:36*MajObviousman wonders how it's applicable that Amante_ owns 13 restaurants
15:36<Amante_>www.amantepizzaandpasta.com
15:37<MajObviousman>yeah, so whatn Peng asked is going to be key to you getting access to things
15:37<Cromulent>I'm always amazed at how cheap food is in the USA
15:37<MajObviousman>if it's your credit card that's paying for the account (and you can prove so), then I expect Linode can help you out. If you paid the hired folk, and those hired folk then paid Linode, that's far tougher to prove.
15:37<Amante_>not a cheap food my friend
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15:38<Cromulent>Amante_: your price list looks cheap to me
15:38<MajObviousman>shots fired
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15:38<terabyte>lmao
15:39<Amante_>if $30 for pizza is cheep you should be eating gold
15:39<Cromulent>I mean the food not the website :|
15:39<gparent>yeah shots fired he complimented him
15:39<gparent>so hostile
15:39<Cromulent>Amante_: come to the UK you'll be surprised at how expensive food is
15:39<Cromulent>especially London
15:39<gparent>well yeah a piece of gum in london is usually leased
15:39<gparent>too expensive to own one
15:39<Amante_>cromulent i don't like indian food
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15:40<Cromulent>Amante_: London has food from just about everywhere :|
15:40<Amante_>sure
15:40<Amante_>Los Angeles is a different story
15:42<Cromulent>anyway sorry for going off topic there - I was just surprised at the prices
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15:52<terabyte>worked btw. goddady are jhust slow
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17:15<Peng>linbot: <3
17:15<+linbot>Peng: ♥
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17:20<MajObviousman>linbot: ohai, welcome back
17:20<MajObviousman>well screw you too
17:21<MajObviousman>linbot: to Peng urmom
17:21<+linbot>Peng: Yo mommas so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:4/1) [ormum]
17:21<MajObviousman>what do the numbers at the end of the line signify?
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17:21<xar>linbot: <3
17:21<+linbot>xar: ♥
17:21<xar>urmagurd
17:22<Peng>MajObviousman: ID number, upvotes and downvotes, I think.
17:22<MajObviousman>ahh. Thanks
17:23<pronto>Replace a semicolon (;) with a greek question mark (;) in your friend's C# code and watch them pull their hair out over the syntax error
17:23<Peng>MajObviousman: You can do something like "!urmom vote 723 down"
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17:27<@jfred>pronto: that is genius
17:29<scarrasco>^evil*
17:29<seanh-corona1>if I upgrade a machine that's going to be rebooted tomorrow for the security thing, will it end up on a machine that's already patched?
17:29<@jfred>alternatively: define and use two variables, differentiated only by something like c and ϲ
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17:40<bfoote>hello there, do I have it right that there's only *one* xen-->kvm migration per datacenter allowed at any time?
17:40<arlen>no
17:41<bfoote>is there a way for us to migrate several of our systems all at the same time?
17:42<arlen>maybe if you open a ticket
17:43<bfoote>k, I'll do that, thanks
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17:51<akerl>that seems like a bad idea
17:52<bfoote>what seems like a bad idea?
17:52<Peng>akerl: Minimizing downtime in a non-HA setup, i guess?
17:52<bfoote>yes that's right
17:53<akerl>Peng: all those words are english, but I don't understand them in that order
17:53<akerl>If your setup requires the minimization of downtime, that's what HA setups are all about
17:53<bfoote>if you've inherited a jalopy, you learn how to drive it til you can get it to the shop
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17:54<Peng>guess? in Minimizing setup, i akerl: non-HA a downtime
17:54<akerl>Not if 3 of the wheels are on missing
17:54<akerl>s/on //
17:56<arlen>aaa
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18:07<Peng>akerl: You just have to balance it really well.
18:07<akerl>It seems pretty straightforward to set up failover
18:08<akerl>I just use the IP Swap feature, and my whole data store fails over to the new VM
18:08<akerl>pingfs is great that way
18:14<xar>what in god's name is pingfs
18:14*xar googles
18:14<xar>I hope its not what I think it is...
18:15<xar>oh jesus
18:15<arlen>true cloud storage
18:16<Eugene>The best part is that it works
18:16<xar>gross
18:16<Peng>beautiful
18:16<xar>I think I threw up in my mouth a lil
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18:25<Yaakov>caker: PING
18:26<Peng>I wonder what all those Tor users want
18:26<akerl>Peng: I think they just want to ask about Tokyo avail in peace
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18:40<tanja84dk>I have a small question is it posible to have several openvpn servers as for one openvpn network?
18:40<akerl>You've got root and all, so I don't see why not
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18:43<tanja84dk>akerl, its where other external servers could take over if something happens to the one server there is setup atm ( because of the linode Xen Host Maintenance )
18:45<Yaakov>Warez caker?
18:46<HoopyCat>openvpn creates point-to-point tunnels; you can devise arbitrary topologies and/or use routing protocols as you wish. this is a blurry line between systems administration and network engineering
18:46<Yaakov>Hoody HowpyCat!
18:47<HoopyCat>Yaakov: he's been idle since last thursday; given the symmetry about the weekend axis, i'd hope he's inspecting foliage or validating beer pours
18:48<Yaakov>Ah.
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18:48<Yaakov>Well, I hope he is having fun.
18:48<tanja84dk>HoopyCat, my openvpn net is a tap 10.8.0.0/24 and not a directly p2p and a tun network is
18:49<HoopyCat>tanja84dk: well, whatever your topology may bring, enjoy!
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18:50<tanja84dk>oh right the thing I wanted to do is not posible actually because then there would have to be several dhcp servers etc. guess then I just have to shutdown all servers in the maintaince time frame
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19:38<zifnab>yay cloudflare's down
19:39<psandin>so we should all panic?
19:41<JamesTK>Yes
19:41<JamesTK>Because cloudflare uses cloudflare
19:41<gparent>I thought CloudFlare used CloudFront, and vice versa.
19:42<arlen>jokes
19:42<JamesTK>are funny
19:42<gparent>If anyone is keeping count I thought mine was alright
19:42<JamesTK>https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
19:43<akerl>zifnab: what makes you say that
19:44<zifnab>akerl: https://cloudflarestatus.com/
19:44<zifnab>aka 'i cant see dns so its down'
19:44<JamesTK>zifnab: repost!
19:44<zifnab>JamesTK: he asked me though, i responded accordingly. as such: go sodomize yourself with a razor, you bloody fool
19:44*psandin panics anyway, just to be safe, you know
19:44<JamesTK>statuspage.io uses aws
19:44<akerl>maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like that one server is down :P
19:45<zifnab>panic
19:45<zifnab>panic
19:45<zifnab>PANIC!
19:45<zifnab>at the disco
19:46<JamesTK>mmm 502's
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19:54<JamesTK>Plot Twist: Linode is Cloudflare
19:54<JamesTK>i kid
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19:55<Trinity>hi i'm trying to scp some files over to my linode but i'm getting port 22 no route to host but SSH works fine
19:55<Trinity>is this a firewall issue?
19:56<akerl>No
19:56<akerl>Does your SSH run on port 22?
19:56<JamesTK>I run akerld on port 22
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19:56<Trinity>no, i'm pretty sure it's on 443 since it's the default
19:56<JamesTK>Spits out snide remarks to anyone who attempts to SSH into my server
19:57<akerl>443 is definitely not the default port for SSH
19:57<Trinity>opps yea no 443
19:57<Trinity>yes its on port 22
19:57<akerl>Are you sure
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20:00<kyhwana>Trinity: whats your linode IP?
20:00<gparent>JamesTK: ahaha
20:01<Trinity>kyhwana, 45.33.116.137 I just checked port 22 is open
20:01<Trinity>I'm trying to check which port sshd listens on
20:01<Trinity>if it helps I did have a migration to another datacenter
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20:01<kyhwana>SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.3
20:01<akerl>Trinity: SCP uses the same protocol as SSH, talks to the same daemon, and looks the same to your firewall unless you're doing shit at like layer 7
20:01<kyhwana>^ wfm. Check your firewall/pastebin a mtr in both directions etc
20:02<gparent>kyhwana: hacker
20:02<akerl>Also pastebin the exact scp command you're running, run with -vv, and the output
20:02<akerl>since it's way more likely you're just not connecting to the thing you think you are than that your firewall or ISP is filtering SCP specifically
20:03<Trinity>hmm how odd
20:03<Trinity>I just reran the command and now it's working
20:03<Yaakov>Transfering files is overrated.
20:03<arlen>weird
20:04<Trinity>didn't change anything
20:07<gparent>lol
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20:29<Trinity>does anyone know a good linux tool for batch jpeg/png lossless optimization?
20:30<Eugene>jpeg can't be losslessly optimized, a bit by definition
20:30<Eugene>optipng works great with wildcards
20:31*akerl bonks Eugene
20:32*Eugene bills akerl $20
20:32<Eugene>`gm mogrify -quality 95 *.jpg` probably won't look too ugly
20:33<Eugene>But don't run it repeatedly
20:33<akerl>http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/2556/tools-for-lossless-jpeg-compression-optimization-for-ubuntu
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20:34<Eugene>I said "a bit". You can trim some by removing EXIF and unused bits, but it won't be the El Huge-o benefits that you can get from optipng running against stupidly-created PNGs with a full 32-bit palette
20:39<HoopyCat>i've been known to "apt-cache search png", install everything that looks relevant, and then try various things until it's not shitty
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20:43<JamesTK>lol
20:43<JamesTK>apt-get install gentoo
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21:08<cps>any idea how long the xen host update usually takes?
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21:11<AmazingHorse>sooooo...
21:11<AmazingHorse>not my usual nick or hostmask
21:12<AmazingHorse>normally I'm connected via znc (irc bouncer proxy) running on my linode heh
21:12<AmazingHorse>several not-yet-announced (publicly) XSAs, I believe
21:12<HoopyCat>cps: i believe the maintenance notifications said 2 hours. not sure, though.
21:12<AmazingHorse>and http://status.linode.com/ just says it's "in progress" with no ETA from what I can tell
21:13<bros402>amassry - notification said a two hour window
21:13<HoopyCat>AmazingHorse: see the paragraph that says "Maintenance windows are also visible in the Linode Manager" if you missed the e-mails
21:13<bros402>I mean AmazingHorse :P
21:13<AmazingHorse>oh, email and/or viewable via the linode manager
21:13<AmazingHorse>ok then
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21:14<AmazingHorse>I'm real bad about [not] checking my email
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21:14<AmazingHorse>oh haha I'm back
21:14<HoopyCat>obviously also missed the big "MIGRATE TO KVM" they projected onto the moon during the lunar eclipse :-)
21:14<kuzetsa>(tastes just like raisins)
21:15<bros402>my linode is coming back up yay
21:15<AmazingHorse>kuzetsa is back (me) heh
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21:15<kuzetsa>I just got home and was confused :)
21:16<kuzetsa>less than 30 minutes downtime, I'd say
21:16<kuzetsa>not bad
21:16<kuzetsa>HoopyCat: hmm? is the KVM migration non-optional?
21:16<kuzetsa>I thought it was up to my own preference on that
21:16<bros402>kuzetsa - The XSA updates usually like 15-20 minutes and Xen is allowed for any customers pre KVM
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21:17<kuzetsa>bros402: I got my linode originally back in 2011 or something... can't remember
21:17<kuzetsa>it's been a while though :)
21:17<HoopyCat>kuzetsa: it's absolutely optional, which is why you're still on xen :-)
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21:20<jacob123>Hi, how long on average does the maintenance last for each linode?
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21:21<akerl>jacob123: status.linode.com
21:21<AmazingHorse>-_-
21:21<AmazingHorse>I think kuzetsa might be about to ping timeout
21:21<HoopyCat>if it says two hours, i'd guess it'd be an hour on average
21:21<AmazingHorse>I'm uncertain :(
21:21<jacob123>Ok thanks
21:23<HoopyCat>stuff to ponder while waiting for maintenance: http://imgur.com/gallery/QljkB
21:24<jacob123>I have 30 linodes going through this :(
21:24<bros402>jacob123 mine lasted about 17 minutes
21:24<gparent>I could migrate one to KVM
21:24<akerl>jacob123: That's nothing compared to the number of Linodes that Linode has going through this
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21:25<gparent>I'll need to make two one-character changes, though, which is a lot of effort.
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21:26<jacob123>First one done took 26min for anyone wondering
21:27<akerl>I didn't feel like waiting so I just hopped over to kvm the other day
21:27<jacob123>Is there any reason not to go to KVM?
21:27<akerl>Hatred for the letter Q?
21:29<HoopyCat>haven't yet run into anything i can't do on kvm that i could do on xen
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21:29<HoopyCat>i'm all-kvm now, and yet i am still sharing in this shared experience with y'all
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21:31*HoopyCat activates north-facing shields
21:31<bros402>HoopyCat I'm the only person who admins my servers and doing anytthing beynd basic maintenance is too dicey for me since i got diagnosed with cancer in May. Otherwise i'd do KVM.
21:31<AmazingHorse>jacob123: KVM negatively impacts certain types of latency-sensitive workloads, and improves others. My current kernel has a custom cpu scheduler which is tuned to work well on xen and I'm not sure if it can be ported to work properly on kvm
21:31<AmazingHorse>jacob123: most people will get better performance on KVM though {{shrug}}
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21:34<HoopyCat>bros402: xen should continue to be around for awhile in the linode world; indeed, you're still on xen after Yet Another Embargoed XSA
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21:40<AmazingHorse>hmm
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21:40<AmazingHorse>I wonder how long it's been since linode switched from UML to xen
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21:41<HoopyCat>AmazingHorse: 2008
21:41<kuzetsa>nod
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21:52<JamesTK>so long ago
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21:54<AmazingHorse>2008 seems recent to me, somehow
21:54<AmazingHorse>possibly because I'm old
21:55<AmazingHorse>my brain thinks in log scale for time or something
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21:56<AmazingHorse>in 2008 I was like 20% younger than I am now
21:56<HoopyCat>i think that's pretty normal
21:56<AmazingHorse>so maybe I'm not that old
21:57<HoopyCat>mid-30s is not old at all
21:57<AmazingHorse>nod
21:57<AmazingHorse>for a person in their mid-20s though, 2008 would be aprox 30% younger than they are today
21:57<AmazingHorse>well I feel older than I should
21:58<HoopyCat>i was going to make an amusing joke, but then i find out that fred rogers died in 2003 and now i'm sad
21:58<AmazingHorse>my sense of time is messed up since that one time I had a brain injury which messed up my sense of time permenantly (not a joke)
21:58<AmazingHorse>'twas in 2005
21:58<akerl>or was it
21:58<AmazingHorse>since then, EVERYTHING feels like it's recent
21:59<AmazingHorse>:/
21:59<AmazingHorse>akerl: ???
22:00<akerl>it's really only 2006
22:00<akerl>we've been diligently switching out all your calendars for fakes
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22:00<HoopyCat>I KNEW IT
22:01<HoopyCat>DZHO AND LINBOT ARE THE SAME PERSON
22:01<AmazingHorse>akerl: must've been tampering with the US-operated GPS constellation too, 'cause my primary timebase is set to a GPS-Disciplined OCXO
22:01<HoopyCat>AmazingHorse: that sounds like a bumper sticker to me
22:05<AmazingHorse>iunno
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22:38<kyhwana>l/w 55
22:38<kyhwana>bah
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22:54<Binh>hi
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22:57<kyhwana>wat
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23:27<dcraig>we need linbot
23:27<dcraig>ops, help
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