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01:20<xianxian>Hi
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01:37<Eugene>At this point its more because I have a month-old legal ticket with no response
01:37<Eugene>Like, wtf, do I have to send a request to your lawyer to get something that isn't bullshit?
01:40<Woet>Eugene: because, as i mentioned, no one cares about it
01:40<Woet>not even a lawyer cares about it
01:40<nate>Who initiated it? Linode or you?
01:40<nate>o.O
01:40<Woet>you're being pedantic and they're trying to send you the message by ignoring it
01:40<nate>I mean most legal sitations are rarely that speedy anyways once actual lawyers/attorney's get involved
01:40<nate>(after all the more stretched out shit is the more they make)
01:41<Woet>i wish i could paid more the more i stretched it
01:41<Woet>wait
01:41<Woet>are we talking about the same thing
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03:04<garthig>hi wonder if you support docker
03:35<mattmcc>garthig: Linode is a VPS, you can run whatever you want.
03:36<mattmcc>https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/containers/how-to-install-docker-and-pull-images-for-container-deployment/
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09:43<Davide>hi
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10:08<skyfaller>hi folks, is anyone using Canonical Livepatch service? Do you think it's better than using Linode's kernels?
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11:16<linbot>New news from community: Grub default settings <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17015>
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14:03<cbirk>Zimsky's status: [√] rekt [ ] not rekt
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14:36<linbot>New news from community: web error 503 after install docker and nginx <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17016>
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17:37<linbot>New news from community: Pass data to a Stack Script using 'linode-cli'? <https://www.linode.com/community/questions/17017>
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18:16<Cromulent>hmm using gitlab snippets is way better than using Wordpress syntax highlighting plugins - I should have started doing this ages ago
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19:14<Charles>Hello I just heard about Linode and wondered if the host MEAN Stack applications as well as LAMP applications
19:15<millisa>linodes are vps. they can do just about anything any other linux system (that you can setup) can
19:16<Charles>is there a certain package I need to get? I didn't see anything on the site that mentions it. Hence the question(s)
19:17<millisa>they aren't application specific like that. they are hardware you spinup a linux (usually) instance on, you have root, you install whatever you want.
19:17<millisa>there's a number of lamp guides at https://www.linode.com/docs/web-servers/lamp/
19:17<Charles>Oh ok, thanks so much
19:18<millisa>you can always try out the smallest plan and if it doesn't have enough memory/cpu/resources you can resize it.
19:18<millisa>they are billed by the hour
19:19<Charles>yeah I saw that and pricing sounds good but then they went right into LAMP
19:20<millisa>This doc gives a feel for what it's like to spinup an instance - https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started/
19:20<Charles>I'll definitely check them out.
19:20<Charles>Thanks so much
19:20<millisa>sure thing
19:20<Charles>ttyl
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20:06<boblamont>hello... what's the pricing for the managed addon for vps?
20:06<millisa>It's down at the bottom of the page - https://www.linode.com/managed
20:07<millisa>"Pricing is $100 per month per Linode on your account."
20:08<boblamont>ah, ok, I see it down there
20:08<boblamont>thanks
20:09<boblamont>any idea how much memory/cpu footprint all those extras use?
20:11<rsdehart>boblamont: cpanel?
20:12<boblamont>cpanel, longview, automatic backups and so on, they must use some resources, right?
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20:13<rsdehart>I didn't think automatic backups ran on your linode, but obviously I could be wrong about that
20:13<rsdehart>I thought they just snapshotted the image, externally
20:13<boblamont>maybe they don't, I was just looking at what it said was included, didn't know if it added more than negligible overhead
20:15<rsdehart>this is usually the point where millisa chimes in with some sound doctrine
20:15<millisa>Chocolate is good.
20:15<rsdehart>true to form
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20:16<millisa>I don't recollect installing a backup agent on any linodes that have the backups enabled. linode-longview is tiny: root 3412 0.0 3.3 224452 33636 ? Ss May17 20:33 linode-longview
20:19<boblamont>ok, thanks
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21:26<GTAXL>I hate CenturyLink, EVERY night it's 0.4Mbps down from my Linode, yet my servers on other providers and everything else if full speed
21:32<GTAXL>it's so painful I can't get anything done. Is there anything a network admin can do like force a different route or something? Does Linode even peer with Level 3?
21:39<Peng_>1.) Maybe. 2.) Hmm... N...no? https://bgp.he.net/AS63949
21:40<Eugene>GTAXL - if you file a ticket with `mtr` output in both directions, Linode may be able to find the congested peering point
21:41<Eugene>You could try to do the same thing with Clink, but they probably won't understand you if you're talking to their home support people. Commercial lines get a real NOC experience, where they'll just close your ticket without explanation :-|
21:41<Eugene>Not my favorite ISP
21:41<GTAXL>yeah I'm filing a ticket right now, as it happens EVERY night, and it stays a solid 0.4Mbps all night
21:42<Peng_>https://lookingglass.centurylink.com/ Atlanta Level 3 -> Linode seems to go through Telia.
21:42<Eugene>Smells like netflix
21:42<Peng_>Linode -> Level 3... Cogent? Over IPv4, anyway.
21:42<GTAXL>Level 3 = CenturyLink btw
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21:43<GTAXL>I just find it funny they own a massive tier 1 backbone yet have crappy peering for their residential CL network
21:48<GTAXL>ouch found it
21:48<GTAXL>going through TATA
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21:52<GTAXL>seeing massive loss on 75.160.81.14 (CenturyLink)
21:53<GTAXL>24562ms isn't healthy
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21:55<GTAXL>my linode has massive latency to it, but I have a solid 20ms to it
21:56<GTAXL>must be the TATA > CL link is saturated?
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22:17<Peng_>My ISP uses TATA. Routing's meh (usually a circuitous path through twice as many cities as necessary) but's not oversaturated, as far as I've noticed.
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22:21<GTAXL>that CenturyLink node sees severe packet loss and 25,000ms latency riding TATA, but not when it takes GTT
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22:23<Breno>hello, linode offer Failover IPs?
22:24<millisa>You can swap IP's between linodes - https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/remote-access/#swapping-ip-addresses . If you are looking for something like a VIP for clustering, it used to take a support ticket/justification
22:25<Breno>ok tks
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22:25<GTAXL>That node appears to be local to me, right here in Ohio. I MTR it from my Ramnode and it rides NTT and that CL node is 0% packet loss and solid 30ms, so it is CL's link to TATA most likely
22:26<millisa>Curious - about when did you notice it doing the nightly performance drop?
22:26<GTAXL>it's been happening for several months, every night
22:27<millisa>(with ATT something similar started happening in the evenings to some places (TW lines mostly) right around when school let out)
22:27<GTAXL>starts in the evening and it's solid 0.4Mbps or lower all night
22:28<GTAXL>and it's not my line as I'm getting my solid 10Mbps from Google, etc.
22:28<GTAXL>I'm on DSL
22:29<millisa>(my workaround was to tunnel everything through linode though which wouldn't help you much)
22:29<GTAXL>https://pastebin.com/raw/stkRr5Ni
22:30<GTAXL>curious what the 8th hop is
22:30<millisa>do you have linodes in multiple locations? what's it look like using the speedtests?
22:30<GTAXL>but hop 7 starts CL's network, which has 1.7ms
22:30<millisa>er these - https://www.linode.com/speedtest are all of them 0.4?
22:30<GTAXL>testing Atlanta, same
22:31<GTAXL>Dallas same
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22:33<newzenca>hello, there is possible to config something like https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/networking/private-networking/
22:33<GTAXL>CL's network in the evening flat sucks, but my Linode suffers the most. Google, Akamai, or anything MAJOR all get full speed tho
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22:34<millisa>newzenca: linode doesn't have that yet. there's just the shared private net
22:34<GTAXL>like fast.com is showing 7.5Mbps of my 10
22:34<millisa>er, at least not a network that is private to just you
22:35<GTAXL>a lot better than 56k :P
22:37<newzenca>tks millisa
22:37<millisa>newzenca: this is close - https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/remote-access/#adding-private-ip-addresses (it's just shared between everyone at that dc)
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