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02:34<Soopaman>what up guys
03:04<Soopaman>vektor, nice ss of tvtime
04:03<blinx>morning guys
04:17<Soopaman>hi
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07:09<Manta>Hiya :O)
07:09<Manta>Can anyone here help with some questions about [the use of] MythTV, with Digital?
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10:20<Chutt>has anyone gotten a bounce sending mail to the list, or is it just a black hole?
10:21<rcaskey>is it a subscription only list? if not ill mail it
10:21<Chutt>it's subscription only
10:21<Chutt>actually, nm
10:21<Chutt>looks like its going through now
10:22<rcaskey>hey Chutt, is musicplaylist only updated on mythmusic's exit?
10:23<Chutt>yup
10:23<Chutt>i haven't added any other playlist stuff yet
10:24<rcaskey>Chutt: ok, because I wanted to add a script in the mythmusic xml file to burn the current playlist to cdr but if it only saves on the exit of mythmusic that wont work
10:25<Chutt>depends on what you mean by saves, though
10:26<rcaskey>inserts into mysql
10:26<Chutt>you can always make it do that before it exits
10:26* rcaskeyis pretty sure it only does on myhmusic's exit
10:28<rcaskey>btw, can I disable the mythmusic startup check?
10:29<Chutt>probably
10:29<rcaskey>its taking a good 30 seconds
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10:30<rcaskey>is there a cmdline to run without the check or something?
10:30<Chutt>nope
10:41<blinx>ah.. mail from mythtv list now :)
10:41<Chutt>yeah
11:03<blinx>home..
11:03<blinx>c'ya
11:04<mdz_>rcaskey: you should subscribe to the list
11:04<rcaskey>I just monitor it via the archive
11:09<mdz_>rcaskey: many of your questions are answered there
11:10<rcaskey>iv looked over the list pretty good, maby i just missed it
11:11<mdz_>I find it much easier to keep track of what I have (and have not) read when receiving the messages via email
11:11<mdz_>web interfaces are nice for searching, but not for following a list
11:12<rcaskey>mdz: I dont want 50 mails in my box every day :)
11:12<Chutt>so turn on digest mode
11:13<rcaskey>then you might as well use the web frontend :)
11:13<Chutt>err, not really
11:19<mdz_>rcaskey: then filter your mail
11:19<mdz_>sort it into another mailbox
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12:23<Chutt>there
12:23<Chutt>i think the mail queue is completely unstuffed now
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12:35<tss>good afternoon
12:36<Chutt>howdy
12:36<tss>how's it going?
12:36<Chutt>allright =)
12:36<tss>excellent
12:36* tssjust wanted to say 'hi' to the mythtv folks ;)
12:36<tss>excellent piece of software
12:37<Chutt>thanks
12:37* tss's been playing with it for a couple weeks now
12:37<tss>reading the code, recording some simpsons
12:37<tss>usual stuff
12:38<Chutt>heh
12:38<tss>are you Isaac?
12:39<Chutt>yup
12:39<tss>the myth-man himself >:D
12:39<tss>keep up the good work
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13:25<mdz_>no sooner do I start fiddling with controlling my tuner, and two people post to the list about controlling the same box
13:26<Chutt>heh
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13:28<Antw73>evening all
13:28<Chutt>howdy
13:30<Antw73>Chutt: couple more places that are giving me cerr compile fails with gcc3.2 btw, want a list?
13:30<Chutt>sure
13:31<Chutt>i've been meaning to recompile with that to test, but that's just as good =)
13:31<Antw73>heheh, First time I've done a clean compile from CVS in a few days
13:41<Universe>so the CVS doesn't work with gcc3.2 right now?
13:42<Antw73>just a couple of minor fixes, its not a problem
13:42<Antw73>you can add the lines yourself until the problem goes away
13:43<Antw73>I have a feeling if you wait a little while you won't have to though =)
13:47<Chutt>yeah, i'll have it fixed in cvs soon enough
13:51<Universe>cool
13:56<Antw73>Grrrr, having fun syncing audio for VCD burning
13:57<Chutt>heh
13:58<Antw73>feels like the first few times I played with recoding divx
13:58<Antw73>hmmm...come to think of it, these files are pretty much like a repackaged divx avi....
13:59<Chutt>kinda
13:59<Chutt>but yeah
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14:24<rcaskey>prolog makes my brain hurt
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14:48<Antw73>ok, cleaned out everything mythtv from my system, another clean compile and install test
14:49<Chutt>update cvs?
14:49<Chutt>should've fixed those iostream things
14:49<Antw73>yup, saw your additions, thats why I am testing
14:51<Chutt>ah, cool
14:58<Antw73>hmmm....getting segfault on mythtv start now, just a sec
15:05<Antw73>thats wierd, its dumping core on a pthread_create on mythtv start now =(
15:05<Chutt>sure you did a make clean?
15:06<Antw73>deleted MC, cvs co, rm -rf on /usr/local/lib/myth, /usr/local/include/myth
15:06<Chutt>well, it does sound like a stale dependency
15:06<Antw73>and all the libs from /usr/local/lib/libmyth
15:07<Antw73>shouldn't be, let me wipe all the myth modules and do it again
15:08<Chutt>make sure nothing's running that would've kept libmyth in ram
15:08<Antw73>I rebooted to make sure, but I'll try again anyways
15:28<Antw73>still dies on start =(
15:29<Chutt>heh
15:29<Chutt>dunno
15:29<Chutt>nothing changed aside from those couple includes
15:30<Chutt>and i removed some commented out lines
15:30<Antw73>hmmm....
15:30<Antw73>let me do a debug compile and see what shows up
15:31<Antw73>hmmmm, its getting so far as to write a few hundred k into the ringbuf file....
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15:52<Antw73>Thats unusual, its dieing on SIG32
15:53<mdz_>Antw73: that's just normal thread stuff, most likely
15:53<mdz_>32 is the lowest POSIX real-time signal
15:53<Chutt>that means your gdb doesn't really understand threads
15:53<Antw73>great =)
15:54<mdz_>the gdb in Debian woody or later is known to work
15:54<Chutt>well
15:54<Chutt>it depends on your glibc version
15:54<Chutt>the two have to match up
15:54<mdz_>gdb didn't work right with threads for the longest time
15:54<mdz_>and then it was updated to some CVS snapshot and suddenly things worked
15:55<mdz_>it was a glorious day
15:55<Chutt>it did elsewhere, though =)
15:55<Antw73>yer, I'll just build a gdb, usually do that anyways, just not on that box
15:55<Chutt>just not on debian for awhile
15:55<Antw73>thing is, MythTV has been working for me =) now its not, just when I need some short test recordings, grrrr
15:56<Antw73>remind me to save some files when I think I won't need them next time plz =)
15:58<Universe>hmm... 700 megs isn't small? hehe...
15:58<Universe>if I were home, I would record a small file for ya
15:59<mdz_>Chutt: I didn't notice; Debian is the only Linux that I use
15:59<mdz_>gdb on other OSes is usually worse
15:59<Chutt>it worked on redhat for ages before debian finally merged in the threaded debugging stuff
16:18<mdz_>I blame the gdb people for not making a release with decent thread support for ages
16:18<Chutt>heh
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16:31<vektor>holy crap, sourceforge rocks for getting hits
16:31<vektor>erm
16:31<vektor>i mean freshmeat
16:31<vektor>according to my freshmeat stats i got 1200 hits today
16:31<Universe>nice
16:32<Chutt>that's fairly normal for an announcement
16:32<Chutt>at least, in my experience
16:32<vektor>wow
16:32<vektor>i'm impressed
16:33<Chutt>it does depend on the time of day the announcement hits the frontpage, and how long it stays there, of course
16:34<vektor>of course.
16:35<Chutt>now, you'll find that the vast majority of people just look at your screenshots =)
16:37<Chutt>heh
16:37<Chutt>i've had 42 links come from tvtime.sf.net
16:37<Universe>lol
16:41<vektor>Chutt: awesome! :)
16:56<Tuscany>chutt, any word on mythweb updates?
16:56<Chutt>nope
16:56<Chutt>haven't heard from thor
16:57<Tuscany>i'm gonna reply to a question on mythtv-dev re: the listings.php fatal error. That patch I sent you takes care of it
16:57<Tuscany>http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-October/000778.html
16:57<Chutt>yeah, go for it
16:57<Chutt>sorry for delaying on that, i thought he was going to update stuff soon :(
16:57<Tuscany>no prob
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17:29<Antw73>Damn, same crash and backtrace with new gdb
17:37<Chutt>disk's not full, is it?
17:37<Chutt>seein as i have no idea, really
17:39<Antw73>nahh, 196Gb free
17:41<Antw73>I'm going to blow the box away, reinstall from scratch and see if its me or not, MythTV is the only thing on that box anyways
17:41<Chutt>heh
17:41<Chutt>crazy =)
17:41<Antw73>hehehe, well I could spend 4 hours trying to think what mught be wrong, or 1 hour getting a fresh box and eliminating that as a possible problem =)
17:42<Antw73>whichever, I'll do it tommorrow, what do you recommend for linux to run Myth on? I've been using Mandrake 9 and a Lunar Linux box so far
17:43<Chutt>i use debian
17:43<Antw73>and gcc version?
17:43<Chutt>i don't like to recommend things, though
17:43<Chutt>2.95.4
17:43<Antw73>heh, don't blame you
17:43<Chutt>which'll be moving to 3.2 sometime in the next 2 or 3 years
17:44<Antw73>k, see ya later, have a good evening
17:45<Universe>Im affraid to update to CVS now...
17:46<Antw73>heh, make a backup and test it, if it breaks for you at least I'll feel better =)
17:46<Chutt>bah
17:46<Universe>lol
17:46<Chutt>you can always revert to earlier versions with cvs
17:46<Antw73>but its probably just me anyyways =)
17:46<Universe>hmm...
17:47<Antw73>well, I'm off to bed, good night
17:47<Universe>later
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17:47<Chutt>g'nite
17:53<mdz_>hey, gcc-3.2 made it into testing
17:53<mdz_>maybe the transition can happen this year
17:53<Chutt>just stuff needs to start using it
17:53<Chutt>hehe
17:54<mdz_>doh, except for sparc
17:54<mdz_>http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2002/debian-gcc-200211/msg00011.html
17:54<mdz_>gcc 3.2 would mean KDE3 and openoffice, too
17:55<Chutt>yes
17:56<Chutt>i still think it's silly to have one arch hold up others
17:56<Chutt>aren't other things using 3.2 as the default already?
17:56<mdz_>hppa uses 3.0...I don't know if anything is new enough to be using 3.2 from the beginning
17:57<mdz_>one arch only holds up others if it worked before, so the crazy broken arches like sh and hurd don't hold anybody up
17:57<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/mc/editslider.jpg
17:57<mdz_>gcc has worked on sparc forever, it just needs to be tweaked a bit
17:57<Chutt>got the stupid slider working =)
17:57<mdz_>nice
17:57<mdz_>no arrows yet
17:58<Chutt>no, but that's next
17:58<Chutt>as well as the position indicator
17:58<mdz_>are you going to leave the playback slider the same, or try to make them more similar to each other?
17:59<Chutt>going to leave the playback stuff the same as it was
17:59<Chutt>there's going to be a new default osd theme, though
17:59<Chutt>i just wanted the slider to go all the way across the window for this
17:59<Chutt>just for more logical room
18:02<mdz_>the edit slider will just have a marker for the current position, rather than a progress type bar like playback, right?
18:02<mdz_>personally, I don't much like the progress bar style, and prefer a current position marker
18:02<Chutt>oh
18:02<Chutt>that's actually configurable
18:02<Chutt>or it was
18:03<Chutt>i don't have a position slider anymore, since the osd rewrite
18:03<Chutt>but the old stuff let you use a position marker istead of the fill slider
18:04<Chutt>just need to make a new position slider class, and that should work again
18:04<mdz_>oh
18:04<mdz_>I need to look over that stuff one of these days
18:04<mdz_>I'm a bum
18:04<mdz_>I think I'm going to order this infrared toy
18:04<Chutt>eh, it's not documented =)
18:04<Chutt>that $25 one that snapstream sells?
18:12<mdz_>yep
18:12<mdz_>just ordered it
18:13<mdz_>the only dongle I can find is the one that actisys makes
18:13<mdz_>and it costs more than the self-contained one
18:13<mdz_>which I know works
18:19<Chutt>heh
18:19<Chutt>funding the competition!
18:19<Chutt>as it were
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18:38<Tuscany>mdz, you around?
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19:00<Tuscany>chutt
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20:04<TechJosh>aweful quiet in here
20:05<TardisX>yep
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20:14<TechJosh>my hard drive felt the "click of death" today...
20:14<TechJosh>stoopid ibm deskstars
20:17<TardisX>I had an old seagate that had a click always
20:17<TardisX>was designed that way
20:17<TardisX>it has it's own option in hdparm - see '-Z' :-)
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20:30<TechJosh>when the machine starts up and says "Primary Master.................... S.M.A.R.T. test FAILED"
20:30<TechJosh>its time to get a new drive
20:37<TardisX>ahh, smart is shit
20:41<TardisX>A good way for manufactoers to sell more hard drives in my opionin
21:09<Chutt>http://www.mytht.org/mc/editmode.jpg
21:09<Chutt>more progress
21:09<Chutt>=)
21:10<Universe>hmm
21:10<Universe>The page cannot be displayed
21:10<Chutt>err, if i spelled the domain name right
21:10<Chutt>sorry =)
21:10<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/mc/editmode.jpg
21:10<Universe>rofl
21:10<Universe>I didn't notice that either
21:11<Universe>very cool
21:11<Chutt>the border's there so i can take screenshots of it easily, and it's easier to see blown up to full screen, but =)
21:13<Universe>it works
21:13<Universe>what is the show you have there?
21:13<Universe>heh
21:13<Chutt>need to mark the start/end points next
21:14<Chutt>that's an ad for dexter's lab
21:14<Universe>ahh
21:14<Chutt>i just recorded the last 25 minutes of the tom&jerry hour for testing on cartoon network yesterday
21:14<Chutt>wasn't anything else on that i wanted to use to test the editing stuff
21:14<Universe>sure sure..
21:15<Chutt>since i'd have to see parts of it over and over and over and over
21:15<Universe>we believe you
21:15<Chutt>heh
21:15<TardisX>chutt: editing stuff is looking very cool :-)
21:15<Chutt>i'm almost to the point where it does stuff =)
21:16<Universe>instead of just looking cool..
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21:26* DeeKsgets closer and closer to actually being able to use MythTV...woohoo
21:30<mdz>I order the IR blaster thing, I want it to be here tomorrow :-(
21:30<mdz>ordered
21:31<nyquiljer>Chutt: that position indicator stands out much better than I expected
21:31<nyquiljer>I was a little worried
21:48<mdz>it's looking good
21:49<nyquiljer>mdz: when I was skimming over what I missed while at work, did I see you saying something about wanting a position indicator during normal viewing?
21:51<mdz>nyquiljer: yeah, Chutt said that used to be an option
21:51<mdz>nyquiljer: it's just a matter of personal preference I think
21:52<mdz>nyquiljer: I tend to think of being at a particular point in time, rather than being a certain portion finished
21:52<Universe>I would like one... only because I am use to it with Tivo
21:53<nyquiljer>mdz: yeh, I'm with you on that
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22:00<mdz>Chutt: is the bookmark stuff in current CVS?
22:01<Tuscany>mdz, i'd check with snapstream for a status on your order. mine two about a week and a half
22:02<Tuscany>took about...
22:04<Chutt>mdz, yeah
22:04<Chutt>just hit enter or space in playback of a file with a seektable
22:10<DeeKs>argh i hate tv stations <g>
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22:17<brtb>anybody know of any reason why mythtv would segfault when i try to play back any recorded video file?
22:18<Chutt>current cvs?
22:18<brtb>yep
22:18<brtb>last night
22:18<Chutt>try updating again
22:18<brtb>strange part is it'll play in the preview window
22:18<Chutt>yeah
22:18<brtb>little box in the corner
22:18<Chutt>if it's what i'm thinking, it's fixed
22:19<brtb>would playing a recording once and never doing it again fit with what you're thinking?
22:19<Chutt>no
22:20<Chutt>if updating to current cvs doesn't fix it, you'll need to recompile with debugging enabled and mail me a backtrace
22:20<brtb>been recording on and off all day, so I come home and pick one random show, watch a bit and escape out. go to pick the next one, segfault.
22:21<brtb>restart computer, pick any recording (including the one that just worked) - segfault.
22:21<brtb>i'll update cvs (probably will be tomorrow) and see if that fixes anything
22:21<brtb>thanks
22:21<Chutt>without a backtrace, i really can't help you :p
22:22<brtb>got it, lol
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22:33<brtb>ok, umm... probably stupid question, but how do you enable debug on this build? usually it's ./configure --enable-debug or adding -g on CFLAGS but i'm lost with this qmake thing
22:34<brtb>--extra-cflags=-g?
22:42<Chutt>ah
22:42<Chutt>just edit settings.pro
22:42<Chutt>the first two lines control if it's compiled for debugging or not
22:42<Chutt>just flip the comment, make clean; make, etc..
22:44<brtb>ah... lot easier than what I was trying to do, heh
22:44<brtb>you're Isaac?
23:00<Chutt>yup
23:00<Chutt>sorry, was doing something else
23:02<brtb>this is irc, i'm used to it... just wanted to tell you, very nice work you're doing here =] saved me from buying a tivo
23:02<Chutt>heh, thanks
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23:16<brtb>where is it going to dump the core file?
23:16<Chutt>just run mythfrontend in gdb
23:16<Chutt>alt-tab or whatever to get back to the term you ran it from
23:17<Chutt>multi-threaded core dumps have a tendency not to be accurate
23:17<brtb>ok
23:18<brtb>no such file or directory in malloc.c? (haven't upgraded to new cvs yet... need to do that)
23:19<Chutt>that where it crashed?
23:19<Chutt>do a 'bt'
23:19<brtb>yeah...
23:19<brtb>you need the whole thing?
23:20<Chutt>first 5 or 6 levels, most likely
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23:20<Chutt>you can just paste it in here, or email me
23:20<Chutt>either one =)
23:21<brtb_>#0 0x4090b64d in chunk_free (ar_ptr=0x409b66a0, p=0x8340df0) at malloc.c:3230
23:21<brtb_>#1 0x4090b513 in __libc_free (mem=0x8340df8) at malloc.c:3153
23:21<brtb_>#2 0x40862794 in __builtin_vec_delete (ptr=0x8340df8)
23:21<brtb_> at ../../gcc-2.95.3/gcc/cp/new2.cc:62
23:21<brtb_>#3 0x08080642 in NuppelVideoPlayer::OpenFile (this=0x8218640, skipDsp=false)
23:21<brtb_> at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:475
23:21<brtb_>#4 0x08082a29 in NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying (this=0x8218640)
23:21<brtb_> at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:1362
23:21<brtb_>#5 0x08072d4c in SpawnDecode (param=0x8218640) at tv.cpp:41
23:21<brtb_>#6 0x4075a10c in pthread_start_thread (arg=0xbedffc00) at manager.c:291
23:21<brtb_>#7 0x4075a159 in pthread_start_thread_event () at manager.c:315
23:21<nyquiljer>can I have some eggs with my spam? :)
23:21<Chutt>yeah, i'm fairly certain that'll be fixed by upgrading to current cvs
23:21<brtb>okay
23:22<Chutt>line 475 of your NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp is what, btw?
23:22<Chutt>delete [] space?
23:22<brtb>checking
23:23<brtb>yep
23:23<Chutt>ok
23:24<Chutt>if it doesn't go away when you update to current cvs, just let me know, ok?
23:24<brtb>got it
23:31<mdz>that one looks familiar
23:31<Chutt>heh
23:31<Chutt>i wonder why? :p
23:35<brtb>fun stuff... upgraded cvs, now it segfaults in a different place
23:35<brtb_>#0 0x08085a53 in OSD::LoadTheme ()
23:35<brtb_>#1 0x08081e8f in OSD::OSD ()
23:35<brtb_>#2 0x3f000000 in ?? ()
23:35<brtb_>#3 0x08377488 in ?? ()
23:35<brtb_>Cannot access memory at address 0x1
23:37<Chutt>you need to make clean
23:37<Chutt>after updating cvs
23:37<brtb>i just rm'ed the entire dir and unpacked the new tar
23:38<mdz>tar? are there CVS snapshots up somewhere?
23:38<Chutt>yeah
23:38<mdz>ah
23:38<Chutt>through the viewcvs interface
23:38<mdz>ohh
23:38<mdz>dynamic snapshots
23:38<Chutt>yup
23:38<Chutt>nice feature
23:39<Chutt>brtb, recompile for debugging, please =)
23:39<brtb>doh
23:39<brtb>lol
23:39<brtb>one sec
23:39<Chutt>since i'm working on the osd right now
23:39<Chutt>well, essentially
23:45<brtb>it's something about TTFFont::Size... lemme paste the bt
23:45<brtb_>#0 TTFFont::Size (this=0x0) at ttfont.h:26
23:46<brtb_>#1 0x08091098 in OSD::LoadTheme (this=0x839d128) at osd.cpp:380
23:46<brtb_>#2 0x0808e1cf in OSD::OSD (this=0x839d128, width=352, height=240,
23:46<brtb_> framerate=30, filename=@0x8327ff8, prefix=@0x8327ffc, osdtheme=@0x8328000)
23:46<brtb_> at osd.cpp:49
23:46<brtb_>#3 0x080837c5 in NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying (this=0x822dde8)
23:46<brtb_> at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:1425
23:46<brtb_>#4 0x0807343c in SpawnDecode (param=0x822dde8) at tv.cpp:41
23:46<brtb_>#5 0x4075d10c in pthread_start_thread (arg=0xbedffc00) at manager.c:291
23:46<brtb_>#6 0x4075d159 in pthread_start_thread_event () at manager.c:315
23:46<Chutt>ok
23:46<Chutt>still in gdb?
23:46<brtb>yep
23:46<Chutt>do this:
23:47<Chutt>oh, wait a sec
23:47<Chutt>do you have a copy of settings.txt in your ~/.mythtv/ dir?
23:47<brtb>yeah... so i don't have to keep re-doing it every time... that bad?
23:48<Chutt>well, the font changed
23:48<Chutt>so the setting for the old font would still be in there
23:48<Chutt>but the old font's not there =)
23:48<Chutt>i need to make the new osd code print out some error messages, make that obvious
23:48<mdz>I need to start making backups of the mythtv db
23:48<brtb>actually it is... ~/.mythtv/helr.ttf
23:49<Chutt>it is? hmm
23:49<mdz>things get ugly around here when certain scheduled recordings are missed due to my futzing about
23:49<Chutt>could you just try removing the OSDFont line from the settings.txt file and try re-running it?
23:50<Chutt>from your copy of settings.txt, at least
23:52<brtb>same
23:52<Chutt>well, that segfault's because it can't find the font
23:52<Chutt>oh wait
23:52<Chutt>ya know what
23:52<Chutt>i'm probably not installing the font
23:53<Chutt>yeah, i'm not =)
23:53<Chutt>edit libs/libmythtv/libmythtv.pro
23:53<Chutt>modify line 15 to say 'FreeSans.ttf' instead of helr.ttf
23:54<Chutt>do a make install
23:54<Chutt>and that should take care of it
23:56<brtb>yes it did... thank you sir =]
23:57<Chutt>yeah, sorry 'bout that
23:57<Chutt>forgot to update that =)