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02:32<Namapoos>anyone awake?
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03:52<brian__>God morgen
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03:52<blonx>doh.. already have a client here it seems
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03:52<blinx>ah :)
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05:16<testor>so anyone still awake?
05:31<blinx>I am
05:33<testor>so how skilled are you with mythtv?
05:34<blinx>on a scale from -38 to +16.3?
05:34<blinx>I have used it for about a month I guess..
05:37<testor>like it?
05:38<testor>I looked around, and people mentioned freevo also, but looking at freevo's page it seems to be WAY behind mythtv
05:39<blinx>ye, I like it alot - last time I looked at freevo, it didn't record or anything.. pretty much just played stuff you already have
05:39<testor>yeah
05:39<testor>it doesnt record still
05:39<testor>doesnt have the web interface, doesnt have about half of what mythtv has
05:39<blinx>though I wish I could actually get mythtv working again ;)
05:39<testor>heh
05:40<testor>that might be why your in here?
05:40<blinx>I broke some qt stuff.
05:40<blinx>nah.. just hanging :)
05:40<testor>ahh :)
05:40<blinx>sometimes I should learn not to use the latest cvs version of everything..
05:41<blinx>brb.. fetching some coffee.
05:41<blinx>mmh.. and lunch time soon
05:41<testor>its 4:40 in the morning here
05:41<testor>I just cant sleep
05:42<blinx>11:40 am here :)
05:42<testor>one of these days I will get my sleep schedule fixed
05:43<testor>for now, its talking to random people at 4 in the morning
05:43<testor>thanks for the tips, ill be back when i have the system for some help im sure :)
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10:59<blinx>time to go home
10:59<blinx>later all
11:21<Namapoos>bye
11:27<mdz>is there any way to suppress channels without having tv_grab_* come up and scream about it every time they start up?
11:29<Chutt>scream about it?
11:29<mdz>a few hundred lines of
11:29<mdz>noticed new station available (428 SMJZZ), re-run --configure
11:29<mdz>it's not new; I just don't want it
11:29<Chutt>did you delete the line or comment it out?
11:30<mdz>commented it out
11:30<Chutt>hrm
11:30<mdz>that's what I noticed it did when I said "no" to its question
11:30<Chutt>it doesn't do that for stations i comment out
11:30<mdz>hmm
11:30<Chutt>but then, i'm running 0.5.0
11:30<Chutt>not 0.5.2
11:30<mdz>maybe some of them are missing
11:31<mdz>damn music channels
11:32<mdz>now if I hooked up mythtv to songprint and recorded the music channels, that'd be a thing, it would
11:33<Chutt>songprint?
11:33<Chutt>it's been dead for years
11:35<mdz>there used to be packages in Debian, but they seem to be gone
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11:36<Chutt>the company went under almost 2 years ago
11:36<orangey>hey guys!
11:36<mdz>company shmumpany
11:36<mdz>the idea seems reasonable
11:36<Chutt>mdz, they were competitors of the company i work for :p
11:36<Chutt>and their stuff didn't work
11:37<mdz>does your company have something similar which works?
11:37<Chutt>of course
11:37<mdz>is it open?
11:37<Chutt>'course not
11:37<Chutt>well, there's a free variant that's just as open as the songprint stuff was
11:37<Chutt>built into musicbrainz
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11:38<mdz>hmm, not much linked with libmusicbrainz1
11:39<Chutt>nothing at all, most likely
11:39<mdz>two things
11:39<mdz>one dead (freeamp) and one I've never heard of (zinf)
11:39<mdz>looks like one is a fork of the other
11:39<Chutt>freeamp changed names to become zinf
11:39<mdz>ah
11:39<Chutt>'zinf is not freeamp'
11:39<mdz>right
11:39<mdz>problem with the name?
11:40<Chutt>remember the 'amp' mp3 player?
11:40<mdz>nope
11:40<Chutt>and the company that got a bunch of cash outta winamp?
11:40<mdz>I am vaguely familiar with winamp
11:40<Chutt>heh
11:40<mdz>I have used it
11:40<Chutt>they started making noises about freeamp
11:40<mdz>how did they make money on winamp? do people buy it?
11:41<Chutt>oh, no
11:41<Chutt>these people made money suing winamp/aol
11:41<mdz>oh, somebody sued winamp
11:41<Chutt>right
11:41<mdz>I read that as "got a bunch of cash [profit] outta winamp"
11:41<mdz>AOL/TW has, er, deep pockets
11:42<mdz>they must have had a very good case
11:42<Chutt>they just settled it outta court
11:42<Chutt>one of the 'how much do you want to go away'
11:42<Chutt>type things
11:42<Chutt>iirc
11:43<Chutt>ah well
11:43<Chutt>i used to get paid to work on freeamp, back when i worked for emusic.com
11:44<mdz>mmm, getting paid to work on free software
11:44<Chutt>too bad emusic went under =)
11:44<Namapoos>wow
11:44<Namapoos>that would be sweet
11:44<Namapoos>i would love to get paid to do open source apps
11:45<Namapoos>Chutt, why don't you try to make money off mythtv?
11:45<Chutt>because i'd have to make a hell of a lot of cash to make it matter
11:46<Chutt>and i'm doing it for fun
11:48<mdz>given the number of people who have trouble setting it up, you could sell support :-P
11:48<Chutt>heh
11:48<Chutt>or sell pre-made boxes
11:48<mdz>that would probably get you in trouble :-)
11:49<Chutt>yup
11:49<Namapoos>sorry
11:49<Namapoos>i already copywrote the premade boxes ;)
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11:49* Namapoosis an enterprising bidness man
11:49<Namapoos>:P
11:49<Chutt>sure ya are
11:50<Namapoos>heheh
11:50<Namapoos>once i can fully clean/stabilize my stb environment
11:50<Namapoos>oooooooooooooh yeah
11:50<Namapoos>then the linuxUI starts
11:52<mdz>Chutt: heh, just read that email you mentioned
11:52<Chutt>yeah
11:53<Chutt>i should 'channels off by one, and look like crap?' to the faq
11:53<mdz>reminds me of that UI essay by that gnome guy
11:53<mdz>Reading dozens of GNOME and Red Hat bugs per day, I find that users ask for a preference by default. If a user is using my app FooBar and they come to something they think is stupid - say the app deletes all their email - it's extremely common that they'll file a bug saying "there should be an option to disable eating all my email" instead of one saying "your craptastic junk-heap of an app ate my email." People just assume that FooBar was design
11:53<mdz>ed to eat your email, and humbly ask that you let them turn off this feature they don't like.
11:53<mdz>ack, that didn't look like that many lines when I selecetd it in mozilla
11:53<mdz>sorry bout that
11:54<Chutt>np
11:54<mdz>maybe you should add an option to subtract 1 from every channel
11:54<mdz>and one for "disable crappy picture quality"
11:55<mdz>Sibble Computer Consulting
11:55<Chutt>yeah
11:55<Chutt>went to his website, how i found out he was in canada
11:55<mdz>I wonder what that qmake stripping business is all about
11:56<Chutt>well, debian patches qmake already to not strip directories =)
11:56<Chutt>maybe the patch is wrong and doesn't strip anything ever
11:56<mdz>heh
11:56<mdz>qt-x11-free-3.0.5.orig/debian/patches/05_fix_strip.dpatch
11:56<mdz>"DP: Don't strip directorys, goddamn!"
11:57<Chutt>yeah -- it's fixed in 3.0.6, too
11:57<Chutt>upstream
11:57<mdz>looks like it just removes QMAKE_STRIP from qmake.conf
11:57<mdz>if I'm reading the diff-within-diff right
11:58<Chutt>it adds a check for a directory in makefile.cpp or something
11:58<Chutt>removing QMAKE_STRIP would make it not strip anything
11:58<Chutt>i think
11:59<mdz>I have not seen it strip anything
11:59<mdz>otherwise my debugging attempts would have failed in the same way
11:59<Chutt>right
11:59<Chutt>same here
11:59<mdz>the 05_fix_strip.dpatch adds the check for the directory
11:59<mdz>but there is another patch which removes QMAKE_STRIP
11:59<Chutt>ah
12:00<Chutt>it should strip in release mode and not in debug mode
12:00<Chutt>maybe they've got that goin upstream already
12:03<mdz>qt-x11-free-3.0.5.orig/debian/patches/04_qmake_conf.dpatch
12:03<mdz>removes QMAKE_STRIP
12:04<mdz>so I assume it is not stripping in release mode, either
12:04<Chutt>right
12:04<mdz>but I dh_strip the package anyhow, so I wouldn't notice
12:04<Chutt>how large is the .deb, btw?
12:05<mdz>1.6M
12:05<mdz> Installed-Size: 3360
12:05<Chutt>not bad
12:05<Chutt>that's just a tiny bit larger than the source
12:06<mdz>except that if you use the source, you need to install 50M or more of dependencies to build it :-)
12:06<Chutt>heh
12:07<mdz>I am so out of disk space on my development box
12:07<Chutt>that's just because qt links in everything
12:07<mdz>on my root disk anyway
12:07<mdz>just libqt3-mt-dev itself is 10M
12:08<mdz>why this -mt business anyway? why does it need a separate library for threaded apps?
12:08<Chutt>it's compiled thread safe
12:09<mdz>hey, the source is bzip2'd, that's cheating
12:09<Chutt>debian should just force it on
12:09<Chutt>and not worry about the non-thread safe stuff interfering with the thread-safe stuff
12:09<mdz>oh, upstream just ships one lib?
12:09<mdz>that's silly, then
12:09<Chutt>it's an option when you compile it
12:10<mdz>it should just be enabled, I agree
12:10<Chutt>accidently linking against the -mt and the non-mt libs is _bad_ too
12:11<mdz>it will actually link?
12:11<Chutt>yeah
12:11<Chutt>well
12:12<Chutt>if you link a shared lib against the regular, non-mt app
12:12<Chutt>and compile an app against the -mt libs that pulls in the non-mt library
12:12<Chutt>bad things happen
12:12<Chutt>it links fine and all, but pretty much an instant segfault
12:12<mdz>ah, that
12:12<mdz>ABI skew enjoyment
12:12<Chutt>great source of heisenbugs
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12:23<mdz>is it just me or has mailing list traffic picked up a lot?
12:24<Chutt>> 200 people on it now
12:24<mdz>hmm, waiting 2 seconds for the OSD to go away really isn't that long
12:25<mdz>and it's transparent besides :-)
12:25<Chutt>exactly
12:25<Chutt>and it fades in a second
12:25<Chutt>and you can change that
12:27<mdz>I find it to be too fast, if anything
12:27<mdz>but I don't watch TV really
12:27<mdz>so I only read programming info from the epg or the scheduled recordings menu
12:33<Chutt>i've got it set for another second longer than the default, myself
12:33<Chutt>since my wife complained about it disappearing too fast =)
12:35<Namapoos>heheh
12:35<Namapoos>Chutt, are you still in school? or do you have a job?
12:36<Chutt>i work fulltime
12:37<Namapoos>what do you do:
12:39<Namapoos>if you don't mind me asking
12:39<Chutt>i write code
12:39<mdz>"I never needed an interrupt for a video card before"
12:40<Chutt>translates to 'i've never played a 3d game or anything remotely stressful of the video card before'
12:41<mdz>doesn't int 10 count?
12:42<Chutt>you can usually turn off the interrupt for the video card in the bios, no?
12:43<mdz>you can turn off the PCI interrupt
12:44<mdz>but it order to do anything other than write to video memory, an interrupt should be necessary somewhere, no?
12:44<Chutt>i dunno
12:44* mdzlooks around for vektor
12:48<Chutt>ok, 0.7 release this weekend
12:48<Chutt>mythweb updates or not
12:48<Chutt>next weekend sourceforge is gonna be out of commission, so i'd have to host the screenshots somewhere else if i did the release then
12:50<Chutt>maybe i'll fix up mythweb to do the channel anytime recordings tonight
12:50<Chutt>then it can go out as well
12:50<mdz>I can host screenshots for you for a weekend
12:50<Chutt>cool
12:51<Chutt>next sunday
12:51<Chutt>sf's goin down, looks like they're moving hosting facilities
12:52<mdz>why, is exodus closing up shop?
12:52<Chutt>i dunno
12:52<Chutt>i just got an email from sf saying they're moving
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12:52<Chutt>i figure va's trying to save some cash
12:53<Chutt>sf's gotta be their largest cash drain
12:53<Chutt>well, that and paying malda's bloated salary
12:55<Chutt>208 people on the mailing list now, btw =)
12:55<mdz>not bad
12:55<mdz>how many were there 6 months ago?
12:55<Chutt>0?
12:55<Universe>lol
12:56<Chutt>i got those setup at the end of june
12:56<mdz>heh
12:56<mdz>some of the Debian lists are growing pretty fast
12:56<Chutt>there were about 110 before the 0.6 release, though
12:56<mdz>http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-security-announce.png
12:56<Chutt>i think
12:57<mdz>0.6 was in october, no?
12:57<mdz>doubling in 1 month is pretty good
12:57<Chutt>something like that
12:57<Chutt>i'm averaging around 80 downloads a day now, too
12:57<Chutt>if i include the cvs_root tarball downloads
12:58<mdz>and that isn't counting the CVS updates
12:58<Chutt>right
12:58<Chutt>which, i think, is more than the first release got
12:58<Chutt>total =)
13:12<Chutt>i'm surprised noone bitched to the mailing list about recording playback being broken
13:14<mdz>how long was it broken?
13:14<mdz>the stuff I"m running is from Wednesday I think, and seems to work fine
13:15<Chutt>'bout a day
13:15<Chutt>it just hangs if you allow a recording to play back
13:15<Chutt>well, it did
13:15<Universe>well... I haven't updated from CVS since I have gotten it working
13:15<Chutt>heh
13:16<Chutt>though, i suppose the filldatabase problem was in cvs for 2 or 3 days before it got reported by all those people
13:34<Universe>so you have to editing all in?
13:37<Universe>err... so you have the editing functions all in
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13:43<davehunn>for soe reason mythtv has just stopped running :(
13:43<davehunn>mythtv
13:43<davehunn>Probed: /dev/video1 - Television
13:43<davehunn>Probed: /dev/video1 - Composite1
13:43<davehunn>Probed: /dev/video1 - S-Video
13:43<davehunn>Probed: /dev/video1 - Composite3
13:43<davehunn>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
13:43<davehunn>but no window
13:44<davehunn>it worked yesterday and i can view playbacks
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20:01<kaveh420>i just finally finished setting up mythtv on my gentoo installation and i'm impressed, the pausing works so much better than showshifter for the windows platform
20:01<kaveh420>my only question is i think i have the audio setup wrong
20:02<kaveh420>am i supposed to put the line out of the tv card into the line in of the audio card and then the line out of the audio card goes to speakers?
20:02<kaveh420>you have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 i don't know what is what
20:02<kaveh420>can anyone help?
20:04<kaveh420>anyone here?
20:07<kaveh420>??
20:08<kaveh420>please msg me if you wake up
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20:22<s3fudi>hey what do you guys think is a better card, the pinnacle pctv or a hauppage wintv pci ?
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20:55<rob>hey all, im stuck trying to get my TV wonder installed, was wonderring if anyone could help
20:55<rob>iv got everything insmodded but no /dev/video0
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21:06<brtb>you have to create /dev/video0
21:09<rob>no, but it seems to have popped up
21:09<rob>xawtv seems to have created it
21:09<rob>I get a blue screen though
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21:09<rob>with some garbage
21:09<rob> type : v4l
21:09<rob> name : BT878( *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC **)
21:09<rob> flags: overlay capture tuner
21:09<rob>xawtv -hwscan results in that
21:11<rob>woah getting some wierdness now
21:11<rob>changing channel gets all kind of miscolored scrolling images
21:11<rob>w00t
21:12<rob>go a real picture now
21:12<rob>NTSC works better for NTSC signals than pal :)
21:13<brtb>yeah that'd help
21:13<brtb>=]
21:17<rob>no sound though
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21:25<brtb>sound? run the lineout from the tvcard to the line-in on the soundcard. then in the mizer (pick one - i use kmix) set it to record from the line input and pute the line-in playback
21:25<brtb>mute even
21:26<rob>brtb: ok
21:26<rob>still cant start mythtv though
21:26<rob>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
21:26<rob>setting sample rate failed, exiting
21:26<rob>Could not detect audio blocksize
21:26<rob>Can't get DSP blocksize, exiting
21:27<brtb>i assume you have the modules loaded for your soundcard?
21:27<rob>not sure yeah
21:27<rob>does dsp need to be ln'd to something?
21:27<rob>sound from kde works fine
21:27<brtb>dsp is controlled by the sound card module
21:28<rob>brtb: so anything in particular I need to get doin?
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21:43<brtb>over my head, sorry, lol
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21:43<rob>must...figure...out..dsp
21:47<rob>so if oss audio works, should /dev/dsp work as well?
21:50<brtb>you would think so
21:50<brtb>only other thing i can think of, kill any sound servers (in case it's not handling multiple sound streams)
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23:06<rob>heya chutt, you home?
23:32<rob>can anyone help me get my db straightened out, I setup myth before I installed my card, and so I pointed it to dev null. Went back and changed the entry after install but its not associating my chanels with the card
23:46<rob>mmm...anyone home :)
23:49<Universe>run setup again
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