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00:00* paperclipguesses Chutt is Isaac
00:00<_shad>:)
00:01<_shad>My question is, why can Chutt make such a kickass program, but every commercial program I've tried doesn't even come close, and has been worked on for years?
00:02<Kuwanger>Where's i2c?
00:02<Arelius>Ahh, cool... now, does MythTV have some script to process the Zap2it listings, or must I write that?
00:02<_shad>Arelius: it has it
00:02<_shad>and it actually works :)
00:03<Arelius>ahh nice...
00:03<Arelius>this is great...
00:03<paperclip>yes..
00:03<paperclip>_shad: so. which p3 do you have?
00:03<_shad>hrm. xmltv takes a long time to process the info, is it just because I have a slow cpu?
00:03<_shad>paperclip: it's a p3-450
00:04<paperclip>i'm trying to figure out what's the most wimpy cpu i can use..
00:04<_shad>I have all crap computers
00:04<_shad>I'm testing it on a p2-350 right now
00:04<paperclip>me too
00:04<_shad>the p3-450 is the fastest I have
00:04<_shad>I got all my cpu's from work
00:04<_shad>:)
00:04<paperclip>maybe that's another reason why to have such thrashing..
00:05<_shad>my main machine is a celeron 300 overclocked to 450
00:05<paperclip>er.. you
00:05<_shad>probably
00:05<paperclip>ata33 too eh?
00:05<_shad>heh
00:05<_shad>ya
00:05<_shad>but the HD isn't that bad
00:05<_shad>with dma I get 16meg/sec
00:06<paperclip>still.. you are reading/writing all the time..
00:06<_shad>ya
00:06<_shad>I guess i couldn't setup a ramdisk or something
00:06<paperclip>i'd like to make a dedicated machine..
00:06<Kuwanger>Ah..
00:06<Kuwanger>Would help to have i2c installed.
00:06<Kuwanger>If you don't have i2c installed, what would likely happen?
00:07<paperclip>but i dunno if i'd be up to having the nicest box in the house watching gilligan's island
00:07<_shad>paperclip: :)
00:07<_shad>how much data is it going through per second?
00:07<_shad>would I be able to have it over a 100mbit network?
00:07<paperclip>i guss that depends on the codec/quality
00:08<_shad>hmm
00:08<paperclip>i dunno.. you've done more with it than i have..
00:08<_shad>naw
00:08<_shad>I just got it running like 30 mins ago with Chutt's help :)
00:09<paperclip>i think the ideal solution would be a diskless set top.. and a fat encoder disk box..
00:09<_shad>hmm
00:09<_shad>would be nice
00:09<paperclip>my mini-itx box has 1 moving part.. the power button..
00:09<paperclip>well. and the reset button..
00:09<_shad>I'll get one of the many 486's I have here
00:09<_shad>heh
00:10<_shad>Chutt: So, what do you do for a living?
00:10<paperclip>i just can't imagine how loud an athlon is..
00:11<_shad>paperclip: depends where you put it I guess
00:11<paperclip>in my entertainment center =)
00:12<_shad>heh
00:12<_shad>my monitor has a space at the bottom for it
00:12<_shad>it was pretty quiet
00:12<_shad>http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/monitor.jpg
00:14<Arelius>so, how fast of a computer would I need to be able to run this with most of the features?
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00:15<paperclip>well.. the website mentions using an athlon 1600+
00:15<paperclip>and using 50-60% cpu
00:15<Chutt>1800+.
00:15<_shad>nice.
00:15<Chutt>nice?
00:15<Chutt>they're dirt cheap
00:15<_shad>ya
00:15<_shad>heh
00:16<_shad>I've never had a reason to upgrade so far
00:16* Kuwangerwishes he knew what chipset his other video card used.
00:16<Arelius>Hmm, I don't have any extra AMDS lying around... what speed intel?
00:16<_shad>the last time I bought a new puter was when I had my 486dx2/66, and it took him 8 hours to do a lab, so he bought a celeron 300
00:16<_shad>Kuwanger: you can't tell just by looking at it?
00:17<paperclip>ahh. yes it is 1800+
00:17<_shad>Maybe I'll buy my fiance a new puter for christmas
00:17<_shad>:)
00:17<paperclip>or cat /proc/pci
00:18<_shad>or lspci -v
00:18<paperclip>most ppl have cat installed =)
00:19<_shad>heh
00:19<paperclip>like what's lspci good for?
00:19<_shad>it's tabbed out nice? ;]
00:19<Chutt>larger name database
00:19<paperclip>taking up space =)
00:19<Chutt>and it does quite a bit more
00:19<paperclip>cat has no name database..
00:20<paperclip>so you got me there =)
00:20<_shad>hehe
00:20<Chutt>the kernel has one
00:20<Chutt>which is shown when you cat /proc/pci
00:20<paperclip>mine doesn't
00:20<Chutt>if you've compiled it in.
00:20<paperclip>well..
00:21<paperclip>i didn't.. then again.. i know what's in my box..
00:21<paperclip>what else does lspci do?
00:21<Chutt>lspci -h
00:22<paperclip>i don't have lspci..
00:23<paperclip>hmm.. glancing at an online manpage..
00:24<_shad>can I partial flood the channel with an error I just got?
00:24<paperclip>aside from the verbose descriptions.. none of that looks useful for a non-developer..
00:25<paperclip>-t is neat
00:26<_shad>DB ERror: Program insertion failed, SQL query was:
00:26<_shad>INSERT INTO program
00:26<_shad>(chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1066,
00:26<_shad>20021122170000, 20021122190000, "You Can Count On Me", "", "The
00:26<_shad>return of her brother sends a woman into a tailspin.", "Drama")
00:30<_shad>Geez. It's getting late
00:32<_shad>Hehe. I wonder how long before someone decides to make a KDE front end for mythtv
00:32<paperclip>why would they?
00:32<_shad>maybe integrate it
00:32<_shad>make it a total HTPC
00:33<paperclip>seems like it's well on it's way already..
00:33<_shad>make it so you can surf the net, word process, etc.
00:33<paperclip>i think web is in the works..
00:33<_shad>cool
00:34<_shad>I wish I knew how to code.
00:34<paperclip>but really all i see missing is an integrated dvd player / archival tools
00:34<paperclip>i'm not much of a coder..
00:34<_shad>dvd/svcd/vcd
00:34<_shad>I chose to go hardware instead of software
00:34<paperclip>but i don't let that stop me from poking around..
00:35<paperclip>i've patched a few things..
00:35<_shad>I know electronics. heh
00:35<_shad>my patches usually include a # :)
00:35<paperclip>heh..
00:35<_shad>I'm being forced to learn some assembler though
00:35<_shad>we're going to wire-wrap a 386 controller
00:36<paperclip>ugh..
00:36<_shad>then the final project is to make a peripheral for it, hardware and software
00:36<_shad>in assembler
00:36<_shad>:)
00:36<paperclip>there's an all asm os called menuet
00:37<_shad>I wouldn't even want to look at the code :)
00:37<paperclip>it's tiny
00:37<_shad>ok, I'll port mythtv to it. :)
00:37<paperclip>hah
00:37<_shad>it'll fly on a 386
00:37<_shad>hehe
00:38<_shad>how long has mythtv existed?
00:38<paperclip>looks like june/july
00:39<paperclip>"So, in late April 2002"
00:39<_shad>I'm amazed how good it is for such little time
00:39<_shad>Chutt could make some big bucks :)
00:40<paperclip>maybe he does..
00:41<_shad>hehe
00:42<_shad>I was talking to my boss about mythtv today, and showed him some screenshots, and he said that it might be one of the main programs to get people to switch to linux. hehe. He doesn't even like linux too much
00:43<paperclip>i think even my wife would like mythtv..
00:44<_shad>my fiance started to get pissed off at showshifter
00:44<_shad>I think I can convince her to let me put linux on that box now
00:45<Kuwanger>bt829..
00:45<paperclip>heh..
00:45<paperclip>how'd you find that out..
00:46<_shad>wow
00:46<_shad>my other box thinks it's 9pm and survivor is just finishing
00:46<_shad>haha
00:48* Kuwangerwonders..
00:48<Kuwanger>bb, maybe
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00:49<_shad>I have a bt819 from the old ati isa-tv cards
00:50<_shad>I tried, couldn't get it to work. heh
00:50<paperclip>which card are you using now?
00:50<_shad>hauppage wintv-theater I guess
00:50<paperclip>hmm..
00:50<_shad>borrowed it from work
00:50<_shad>:)
00:50<paperclip>i think i'll order that surplus one i linked earlier..
00:51<_shad>ya
00:51<_shad>Any should work
00:51<_shad>I have just the cheapo in my main box
00:51<_shad>it's not even stereo I think
00:51<paperclip>oh.. stereo.. i need that =)
00:53<paperclip>so.. XMLTV is all perl, eh?
00:53<_shad>heh. dunno
00:53<_shad>I might have fucked up my box
00:54<_shad>I was switching sound cards, and decided not to screw it in
00:54<paperclip>looks like it is..
00:54<_shad>but I forgot... and tried to plug the speakers in
00:54<_shad>heh
00:54<_shad>popped the card out :)
00:54<_shad>system froze
00:54<_shad>mmm
00:54<_shad>I love computers.
00:58<_shad>hmm
00:58<_shad>I have it set to 320x240, and it's capturing at 1meg/sec over the network
00:58<_shad>nice :)
01:00<_shad>and 480x480 is about 4meg/sec
01:01<paperclip>hmm
01:05<_shad>320x240 with quality of 225 is 1.5meg/sec
01:05<_shad>that's all the p2-350 can handle it seems
01:06<_shad>Chutt: How much better can I expect to see with a p3-450?
01:12<Arelius>hey
01:12<Arelius>Does mythtv support Dual processor machines
01:13<paperclip>there was a mention of that on the mailing list
01:14<paperclip>and the answer is at the moment no..
01:14<Arelius>And how hard would it be to use Radio Remotes as opposed to IR... and where could I find one of those if you know...
01:14<Arelius>ok
01:14<paperclip>i don't know..
01:14<Arelius>ok, thanks
01:14<paperclip>you have a dish receiver with uhf?
01:14<Arelius>no
01:14<paperclip>oh..
01:14<Arelius>actually
01:15<Arelius>now that I think about it...
01:15<Arelius>yes I do belive so...
01:15<paperclip>i doubt the specs for that are public.. =)
01:15<Arelius>ahh, yes
01:15<paperclip>i'm looking to do dishnetwork eventually..
01:16<paperclip>for now.. i'm planning to build.. =)
01:16<Arelius>...
01:16<paperclip>test it out on the antenna
01:16<Arelius>nice
01:16<_shad>hrm
01:16<_shad>I'm going to bed :)
01:16<paperclip>nite
01:17<_shad>night
01:17<_shad>hehe
01:17<_shad>too much fun for one day
01:17<_shad>I think I'm gonna start stripping my current computer to make it better for mythtv
01:18* _shadgoes to bed. has to wake up in 6 hours :(
01:23<Arelius>=P
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01:27<OrangeSun>hey guys!!!
03:19<OrangeSun>ehem..
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13:33<sefudier>hey.. does mythtv currently support pal-m mode?
13:33<Chutt>it should, but i wouldn't know
13:33<Universe>heh
13:33<Universe>if only the US used pal
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14:20<Namapoos>Universe, why, is pal better?
14:22<Universe>I dont know
14:23<Universe>I dont think it makes a difference quality wise...
14:23<Universe>they are just different standards
14:23<sefudier>its all the same shit :)
14:23<sefudier>just different standards, to make it harder for everyone
14:23<sefudier>as usual
14:23<Universe>of course
14:24<echo>PAL is slightly better than NTSC
14:24<Universe>you, oversea'ers, do not want to be like us americas
14:24<echo>it has a nice even framerate.
14:27<Namapoos>hhahah
14:27<Namapoos>so is pal/ntsc a preference thing
14:27<Namapoos>or is there an actual visible/quality difference?
14:28<Universe>its a standard thing
14:29<Universe>video format standard
14:29<Universe>PAL - PAL (Phase Alternating Line) is a video standard used in many countries around the world. Countries such as the United Kingdom, The Netherlands and more use PAL as their video standard. When a VHS, DVD or laserdisc is released using the PAL format it can have a maximum resolution up to 625 lines with a vertical frequency of 50Hz. There are different types of PAL standards, one of which uses a vertical frequency of 60Hz instead of 50Hz.
14:29<Universe>NTSC - NTSC (National Television Ssystem Committee) is another video standard used in many countries around the world. While it's not technically superior, it's more widely used thanks to its use in the United States and a variety of other countries, such as Japan. When a VHS, DVD or laserdisc is released using the NTSC format it can have a maximum resolution up to 525 lines with a vertical frequency of 60hz.
14:31<echo>PAL is 25 fps.
14:31<echo>the 60Hz isn't REALLY 60hz.. it's like 59.something
14:31<echo>it's annoying.
14:32<echo>transcode has audio sync problems with NTSC constantly because of this.
14:32<Chutt>err, why?
14:32<Chutt>as long as you know what the frame rate is, it doesn't matter
14:32<Chutt>if it has audio sync problems, then someone's probably assuming 60Hz somewhere.
14:33<echo>the frame rate is a big floating point number.
14:33<echo>so doing it with integer math sucks.
14:33<echo>doing it with floating point math makes it slower.
14:33<Chutt>err, only if you keep your frame rate stored in 'seconds'
14:33<echo>especially when converting frame rates.
14:34<echo>going from PAL to NTSC, or from NTSC to 24fps film.
14:34<echo>or when you deinterlace into 24fps progressive.
14:35<echo>if you think you could solve it, please contribute to transcode.. it's got serious problems with NTSC and audio sync.
14:36<Chutt>yeah, i'll contribute to a tool i don't use :p
14:36<sefudier>whats transcode's page echo?
14:36<Universe>http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/
14:36<Universe>google works wonders
14:37<sefudier>thanks
14:37<echo>transcode is nice for converting from one video format to another.
14:37<sefudier>i tried .sourceforge before asking :)
14:40<echo> * My DivX/XviD movie encoded from a NTSC DVD is out of sync. What is wrong?
14:40<echo>This is a very complex issue. I will devote this a separate entry somewhere else.
14:40<echo>that's from the FAQ
14:50<echo>DVDs are always encoded at 720x576 (5:4)
14:50<echo>wtf?
14:50<echo>why would they do that..
14:50<echo>sooo stupid.
14:50<Chutt>better than 720x400
14:50<echo>better would be 800x600
14:51<echo>which is 4:3
14:51<Chutt>why?
14:51<Chutt>movies aren't 4:3
14:51<Chutt>doesn't really matter
14:52<echo>but TV is 4:3
14:52<echo>and HDTV is 16:9.
14:52<echo>you would THINK they would use one of those.
14:52<echo>K.I.S.S
14:53<Chutt>there's 30 million different hdtv formats, i don't think KISS came into the design phase =)
14:53<echo>Chutt: um.. all HDTV formats are either 4:3 or 16:9
14:54<Chutt>right
14:54<Chutt>with multiple different encoding methods, multiple resolutions
14:54<Chutt>etc.
14:59<echo>aren't they all MPEG-2?
14:59<echo>resolutions are 480p 720p 1080i
14:59<echo>right?
14:59<echo>I mean, if we are talking US HDTV
15:00<Chutt>there's like 18 different formats for it
15:03<Universe>Is there a standard?
15:03<Universe>yet
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15:28<nevertheless>hey guys, I get a segfault while running mythfilldatabase --manual with german setup... anything known about that?
15:28<Chutt>yes.
15:28<nevertheless>yes?
15:28<Chutt>tv_grab_de doesn't produce proper output
15:28<Chutt>it'll be broken until someone fixes mythfilldatabase to compensate
15:28<nevertheless>oh, so theres no way to fix it?
15:29<Chutt>no, it can be fixed
15:29<nevertheless>i mean, fix it for now
15:29<Chutt>nope
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15:30<nevertheless>f**k
16:17<_shad>heh
16:26<nevertheless>its really quite in here
16:50<_shad>ya
16:50<_shad>we're all watching tv :)
16:50<nevertheless>oh :-)
16:50<nevertheless>hmmm
16:50<_shad>heh
16:50<Chutt>working, actually :p
16:51<_shad>Chutt: on mythtv, or your real job? <whatever that is>
16:51<Chutt>real job
16:51<nevertheless>due to that awful _de stuff, i unfortunatly can't use mythtv
16:51<_shad>heh. what do ya do?
16:51<Chutt>program stuff
16:51<_shad>:)
16:51<_shad>highly classified?
16:51<_shad>You don't work for Microsoft, do you? hehe
16:58<_shad>Chutt: When I'm in the EPG, and hit enter on something, it will just change the channel in the background?
17:00<Chutt>with 0.7 that'll exit the epg and change the channel
17:00<_shad>ok
17:01<_shad>It actually runs pretty good on a p2-350
17:02<nevertheless>an' it doesn't run on my athlon 800 :-(
17:02<Chutt>so fix it to.
17:03<_shad>:)
17:03<_shad>nevertheless: edit settings.<something> and change the arch to something other than pentiumpro and recompile... I think. ;)
17:04<nevertheless>no, its another problem
17:04<Chutt>mythfilldatabase doesn't work for the tv_grab_de grabber.
17:04<nevertheless>the cvs commit of yesterday (filldata.cpp) doesn't fix the _de problem
17:04<Chutt>of course it doesn't.
17:04<nevertheless>but there was a fix for that
17:05<Chutt>no, there wasn't.
17:06<nevertheless>Update the library version # to 0.8.
17:06<nevertheless>libavcodec resync, including their huffyuv implementation.
17:06<nevertheless>Make the libavcodec huffyuv stuff work in mythtv.
17:06<nevertheless>Make the enter key in the guidegrid do the same thing as the space key.
17:06<nevertheless>Small patch from <> (forget who right now, can't find the email) to fix a
17:06<nevertheless>segfault in filldatabase with tv_grab_de, but it still doesn't work with it.
17:06<nevertheless>yes, there was
17:06<_shad>but it still doesn't work with it.
17:06<_shad>hehe
17:06<nevertheless>yes, thats what is written there :(
17:07<Chutt>considering i wrote that commit message
17:07<Chutt>i know what was written there.
17:07<nevertheless>but when you even forgot, who commited that patch ;-)
17:08<Chutt>don't be a dumbass.
17:08<_shad>Chutt is the master of all.
17:08<Chutt>i know what it fixed, and what it didn't fix
17:08<nevertheless>yes :)
17:08<nevertheless>unfortunatly not my problem
17:08<Chutt>right
17:09<Chutt>i really don't care if it works with the tv_grab_de grabber
17:09<Chutt>so someone else who needs it to can fix things
17:09<_shad>Exactly. Chutt made it to work for what he needs it to, and that's all :)
17:09<nevertheless>oh, are you member of that mplayer crew? they react on such things like you... DONT BUG ME WITH SUCH THINGS :-(
17:10<Chutt>uh, no
17:10<_shad>nevertheless: Chutt made mythtv, he can do whatever he wants.
17:10<Chutt>shad, err, right.
17:10<nevertheless>_shad: I did understand that
17:10<_shad> MythTV is a homebrew PVR project that I've been working on in my spare time.
17:10<Chutt>i'm just not in the practice of writing code that i don't need
17:10<_shad>is the first sentence in the page :)
17:10<Chutt>if someone else does need it, then they can write it
17:11<Chutt>is all
17:11<_shad>Chutt: And that is the way it should always be
17:13<nevertheless>yes, thats ok with me, but maybe stop supporting the _de stuff until it works again, if so, I would have rejected this project from the beginning, but now I really like it to that point (unless I can't use it right now)
17:13<_shad>nevertheless: can you program?
17:13<Chutt>it should be fairly simple to fix it to work
17:13<nevertheless>or at least add some information to hte FAQ
17:13<nevertheless>_shad: yes i can
17:13<Chutt>just no one has done so yet.
17:14<nevertheless>but i don't know, what that stuff is for
17:14<sefudier>is there a particular format mythtv expects xmltv files to be in? or will it accept any xmltv file?
17:14<Chutt>sefudier, the _de grabber doesn't provide any <channel> entries
17:14<Chutt>which is the main problem
17:15<sefudier>ic
17:15<nevertheless>the _de grabber ist part of xmltv, right?
17:15<Chutt>yes
17:15<Chutt>other than that, it works
17:15<nevertheless>and the _xy grabbers too, right?
17:15<Chutt>yup
17:16<nevertheless>and why do they differ?
17:16<Chutt>all the other grabbers work
17:16<Chutt>because they're all written by different people
17:16<nevertheless>oh, i see
17:16<Chutt>and there aren't any standards that they followed
17:16<sefudier>does the file need to be sorted in some order (program, date, channel) ? or will mythtv do the sorting into that table shown in the epg screenshot?
17:17<Chutt>sefudier, mythfilldatabase takes the entire output of the xmltv grabber and dumps it into a database
17:17<nevertheless>so its not you i need to bug, but the people from xmltv ;-)
17:17<Chutt>well
17:17<Chutt>it could be worked around in mythfilldatabase
17:17<Chutt>like, just have it see that there aren't any channels defined, then add some blank entries to the mapping table
17:18<Chutt>then the user fills in the rest of the data by running it with --manual
17:18<sefudier>chutt you mean these entries: <programme channel="bbc2.bbc.co.uk" start="20010829000500 BST">
17:18<sefudier> ?
17:18<Chutt>sefudier, those are the program entries, i'm talking about the <channel> ones at the top
17:19<Chutt>they're normally at the top, at least
17:19<sefudier>ic.. im making a utility to grab the local tv listings
17:19<Chutt>heh
17:19<sefudier>do you have some sample of how a compatible xmltv file would be
17:20<sefudier>i.e. not missing any fields
17:20<Chutt>no, sorry
17:20<Chutt>if you were just intending it for use with mythtv, though, you could always just talk directly to the database
17:22<sefudier>ic.. i'd rather have it in xmltv though cause i might be using it with other tools or doing some other frontend for different purposes
17:22<sefudier>i was just wondering if the sorting mattered or mythtv required some specific subformat, cause i want to use it in mythtv
17:23<Chutt>if you follow the format of the _na or _uk grabbers, everything should be fine
17:23<sefudier>ok, ill look into those, thanks
17:24<_shad>I noticed that the listings from zap2it are wrong a lot of the times around here
17:24<_shad>I wonder why
17:37* _shadtakes the plunge and goes to try and compile linux 2.5.47 :)
17:54<nevertheless>hmmm, Chutt, what excaclty is the problem of tv_grab_de? you said, there are no channel infos in the fields?
18:08<Chutt>there are no channel entries in the xml file
18:08<nevertheless>yeah, i just saw it, comparing the german .xml output with the uk one
18:09<Chutt>that's the major issue
18:09<mdz>maybe they have no channels in Germany
18:09<Chutt>heh
18:10<mdz>they receive all programming simultaneously
18:10<nevertheless>we do have channels here ;-)
18:10<Chutt>it just needs to have a channel entry with the same channel id that shows up in the program entries
18:10<mdz>dijkstra:[~] grep -c mythtv_0.7-._i386.deb /var/log/apache/access.log
18:10<mdz>116
18:10<mdz>my word
18:10<nevertheless>I think I better move then wait for somebody to fix that ;-)
18:11<Chutt>mdz, yeah.
18:11<Chutt>you should see the spike on the graphs from yesterday
18:12<Chutt>though the # of downloads wasn't really any higher than normal
18:14<mdz>why's that?
18:17<Chutt>i'd assume most people just looked at screenshots
18:18<Chutt>almost 3000 links from some post on techbargains.com
18:18<mdz>ah
18:18<mdz>I apparently got a spike in downloads, though
18:19<Chutt>yeah
18:19<mdz>however, I probably have a >linear growth curve for the .debs
18:19<Chutt>you got the people who thought it'd be easy to get the debs
18:19<mdz>because folks just add it to sources.list and upgrade
18:19<Chutt>right
18:19<mdz>Chutt: are you implying that it's not easy? :-)
18:19<mdz>I screwed 0.7-7
18:19<Chutt>heh
18:20<Chutt>heh
18:20<Chutt>packaging error?
18:20<mdz>forgot to add a dependency
18:20<Chutt>yeah
18:20<mdz>I remember thinking about it; I thought I had
18:20<mdz>I started using pwgen to generate a random password as a default, rather than trying to use an empty one
18:20<Chutt>i've always thought that grabbing the entire package again for a packaging error like that was kinda silly
18:21<mdz>because an empty one apparently didn't work
18:21<Chutt>ah
18:21<mdz>Chutt: that's what apt-listchanges is for :-)
18:21<Chutt>heh
18:21<Chutt>but people that just upgrade blindly =)
18:21<mdz>they deserve what they get
18:22<Chutt>heh
18:22<Chutt>so, > 5k page views yesterday, compared to around 1k normally
18:23<mdz>nice
18:23<Chutt>i'm curious to see the sourceforge stats page when they update things
18:23<mdz>I didn't know they gave you stats
18:23<Chutt>since it counts every hit, and that's a whole lotta screenshots
18:23<Chutt>they just give you hits, downloads, new bugs, stuff like that
18:23<Chutt>and they update it very erratically
18:23<Chutt>and it doesn't seem to be right all that often =)
18:46<Chutt>heh
18:49<Chutt>someone needs to smack that guy on the mailing list who's using suse 8.1 and complaining about perl stuff
18:50<Chutt>like, that's just silly.
18:52<Chutt>mdz, hey, the url in the package description for xmltv is wrong
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19:00<sefudier>humm why would mythtv say it cant open /dev/dsp ?
19:01<sefudier>player: Can't open audio device: /dev/dsp
19:01<sefudier>open audio: Device or resource busy
19:01<sefudier>while everything else can open it
19:01<sefudier>and nothing is using /dev/dsp atm
19:03<sefudier>im geting the same problem as this guy: http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-August/000217.html
19:03<sefudier>guess its that fullduplex thing, will check
19:08<mdz>Chutt: reportbug libxmltv-perl
19:08<mdz>Chutt: it's in unstable now :-P
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19:44<brtb>hmm... myth did 2 recordings today that aren't playing right... driving up the cpu to some huge percentage and skipping... not running the hard drive too much though
19:45<brtb>actually... strange, if i foward halfway through it and back up to after the first two minutes it's fine
20:41<_shad>blah. I have to change my video card because only OSS has support for the aureal vortex, but it doesn't support 2.5.x
20:41<_shad>hehe
20:47<_shad>ok
20:47<_shad>i'm dumb
20:47<_shad>video=sound
20:47<_shad>hehe
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21:22<soleblaze>anyone here know if you can setup mythfilldatabase to just grab one day? (it freezes sometimes so I don't get complete weekly listings)
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22:24<sefudier>humm is there a reason why the channel number / translucent rectangle wouldnt fade away?
22:25<sefudier>when i change channels here those stuff arent fading.. :/
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22:32<soleblaze>anyone here awake?
22:33<brunes>hey all
22:33<soleblaze>hey brunes
22:33<brunes>doe shte myth xmame front end allow you to use other emulators? like, is it just a command line I cna edit?
22:33<brunes>I want it to be able to launch my snes emulator
22:33<soleblaze>no clue here..
22:34<soleblaze>i just came here to see if anyone can help me with my audio problem..
22:34<brunes>whats the problem, I mayb be able to help
22:35<soleblaze>it doubles the audio up on me, like it's playing the audio from my tv card and then replaying it from the file it caches
22:35<sefudier>mute the line in
22:36<brunes>yep
22:37<sefudier>humm is there a reason why the channel number / translucent rectangle wouldnt fade away?
22:37<sefudier><sefudier> when i change channels here those stuff arent fading.. :/
22:37<sefudier>u know what might bne causing that brunes?
22:37<soleblaze>hm, didn't help.
22:37<sefudier>it should sole.. are you absolutly sure you muted the line in?
22:38<brunes>how does the sound come from your tv tuner... is it line in, or its own audio device
22:38<soleblaze>though CD in, which I muted
22:39<brunes>sefudier: isn't there a fade delay in the settings?
22:39<soleblaze>at least I think I muted
22:40<sefudier>mute the line in also, cant hurt
22:40<brunes># How long should the OSD stay up for in seconds?
22:40<brunes>int OSDDisplayTime=3
22:40<sefudier>i think i left that untouched.. let me check
22:45<sefudier>weird.. it was 3..
22:45<sefudier>but now that i ran it again, its fading
22:47<soleblaze>weird how programs are like that sometimes
22:48<sefudier>yes, very weird
22:48<sefudier>and most v4l programs seem to be like that
22:48<soleblaze>hm, either of you know if it's possible to set mythfilldatabase to just get 1 day instead of 7? it skrews upon me sometimes
22:48<sefudier>its madening
22:48<sefudier>i think there's something mentioning how to do it in the README
22:49<soleblaze>hm alright i'll have to check that again
22:49<sefudier>any of you get: couldnt find defaultosd?
22:50<soleblaze>sefudier: it might'av skrewed up copying the themes over to your theme dir..it did that to me and I have to copy it manually
22:50<sefudier>ahh yes
22:50<sefudier>i remember some error related to that while make'ing
22:50<sefudier>where do i need to copy it to? do you remember?
22:51<soleblaze>/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes is the default dir I believe
22:51<sefudier>thanks
22:57<soleblaze>I can't seem to get themes to work anyways..hm
22:57<soleblaze>sefudier: are you able to get into setup when you run mythfrontend?
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22:59<soleblaze>ah there the thme works
22:59<sefudier>yeah, i cant get any themes other than defaultosd
23:00<soleblaze>think you put it in themes.txt and settings.txt
23:00<sefudier>oh
23:01<soleblaze>what sound driver do you use? oss or alsa?
23:02<sefudier>still.. i got theme=blue in themes.txt and osd=blue, didnt work
23:02<sefudier>alsa
23:03<soleblaze>wonder how well mythtv works with oss
23:06<soleblaze>heh alsa wouldn't get input from cd-in..just broke one day..so I went to oss..and had to recompile half a dozen apps
23:06<soleblaze>would figure if I have to go back to alsa
23:09<sefudier>well mythtv didnt even work with oss here
23:09<sefudier>i just installed alsa an hour or so ago
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23:24<sefudier>hehe
23:25<sefudier>btw sole, are there just defaultosd, and oldosd
23:25<sefudier>or are blue and liquid, also osds?
23:35<soleblaze>liquid
23:35<soleblaze>there's loquid, blue, defaultosd, and oldosd
23:35<soleblaze>er liquid
23:35<soleblaze>i have liquid up right now
23:35<sefudier>humm
23:36<sefudier>what did you have to change to make it work?
23:36<soleblaze>just a sec
23:36<soleblaze>str Theme=liquid in theme.txt
23:37<soleblaze>str OSDTheme=liquid in settings.txt
23:37<soleblaze>and have the liquid theme in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
23:40<sefudier>weird
23:40<sefudier>defaultosd and oldosd will work
23:40<sefudier>it complains if i try blue or liquid
23:40<sefudier>even though i have str Theme=blue in theme.txt
23:41<soleblaze>are they in the themes dir?
23:41<sefudier>yea
23:41<soleblaze>can they be accessed by the account running mythfrontend?
23:41<sefudier>yep
23:41<soleblaze>weird
23:42<soleblaze>you mightg want to try running make install again in mythtv
23:42<sefudier>hum
23:42<sefudier>it seems though as if liquid and blue arent osds
23:43<sefudier>they dont have osd.txt in them
23:43<soleblaze>ah so I guess you have to use blue/liquid for themes
23:43<soleblaze>and the osd stuff for osds
23:44<sefudier>yea
23:45<soleblaze>hm
23:45<soleblaze>that does make more sense
23:45<soleblaze>i wasn't getting an osd after all lol
23:45<soleblaze>ah good my kernels done
23:46<soleblaze>rebooting
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23:49<Chutt>liquid and blue are menu themes, defaultosd and oldosd are osd themes.
23:50<Chutt>anyway =)
23:52<Chutt>if stuff like the themes didn't install properly, it's a qt bug, fixed in 3.0.6 and in some other distributions by patches