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00:58<Markie>i need to go to sleep
01:02<hadees>so you think two 600mhz processor system wouldn't be enough to record and watch live tv
01:03<brtb>at 352x240, easy
01:04<brtb>might handle 480x480, i'm not really sure how the dual-processor factor would work
01:04<hadees>thats what i am trying to figure out
01:04<brtb>only way to be sure, try it
01:05<hadees>well thats what i am going to do
01:05<hadees>two 600mhz at 133mhz
01:05<hadees>and alot of ram
01:05<brtb>if i had to guess i'd think linux would put the two high-cpu threads on different processors but i really have no idea how that works
01:05<Chutt>just spend the $100 to buy a modern cpu.
01:05<hadees>beacause i need a motherboard to go with it
01:05<Chutt>that was included in the $100
01:06<hadees>i don't know, i just like to recycle
01:06<hadees>i have one chip
01:06<brtb>umm unless they've changed it, you'd have to find the exact same chip (stepping and everything)
01:07<brtb>and intel chips are of course somewhat expensive too
01:08<Chutt>heh, somewhat?
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01:08<brtb>i was trying to be diplomatic
01:08<brtb>lol
01:08<Chutt>a 1700+ is now $52 on pricewatch
01:08<brtb>when you can get an amd XP 1600+ for $57 and a p3-1ghz is $112... yah whatever
01:08<Chutt>a p3-733 is $87
01:09<brtb>52? pretty good... i just grabbed those prices from newegg
01:09<Chutt>newegg's probably a better place to get em from
01:09<Chutt>prices that is
01:09<Chutt>pricewatch was faster, is all =)
01:09<Tuscany>hey chutt, do you use any athlon optimization flags for CXXFLAGS in settings.pro
01:09<Chutt>no, i don't
01:09<Chutt>it'd help, i imagine
01:10<Tuscany>i've compiled with athlon-xp. doesn't seem to make much of a difference with pentium-pro
01:10<Chutt>there's more stuff to turn on
01:14<Markie>what's up with this qApp class ?
01:14<Markie>i'm triyng to figre out how when you choose "Watch a Recording"
01:15<Markie>and then your in the list of recordins, how if you hit escape, it kills the window
01:15<Chutt>that's normal qdialog behavior
01:15<Markie>ohhh
01:15<Markie>so you're not doing anything special
01:16<Markie>how would you unmap/kill the window manually ?
01:16<Chutt>call accept()
01:17<Markie>how about done()
01:17<brtb>hrm, slack's 2.95.3 only goes up to ppro optimization... so much for that idea
01:17<Chutt>or that
01:17<brtb>gcc 2.95.3 that is
01:17<Chutt>brtb, yeah, that's a gcc3 feature
01:18<Markie>thanks
01:18<Markie>i'm soo close to being done..i wanna finish, but i need sleep too!
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01:37<Markie>Chutt, i only need to increment menufiles when i add a new menu ,right? i dont push anything on when i do a dialog, yes?
01:37<Chutt>increment menufiles?
01:38<Markie> vector<QString> menufiles;
01:38<Markie>in themedmenu
01:38<Markie>dont worry..i'll figure itout
01:39<Markie>i got something screwey with the menu levels..you gotta hit escape a lot of times to get out
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03:12<trostler>hey so does it work?
03:14<trostler>help topic
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11:00<lichen>arg, it figures that the kernel doesn't directly include support for the rainbow runner
11:05<lichen>Watching a (wrongly-coloured, green) TV picture with xawtv. (See G400 mem config document)
11:05<lichen>MJPEG support is unknown.
11:05<lichen>... apparently thats the available support for my card/tuner
11:05<lichen>sigh
11:37<mdz>my word, people on the mailing list are bitter about installing mythtv
11:37<mdz>plz stpo makign ti hrad on purpoas ok!!! lol
11:38<nevertheless>it is just a fight with xmltv, but mythtv went right away installing
11:42<nevertheless>today really is not my day... first i typed my root-passwd to another irc channel, then i resent Chutt a patch just before i realized it was reversed and additionally the wrong one (it hat more stuff then i wanted to commit) ARG
11:44<mdz>I didn't find xmltv difficult from CPAN
11:44<mdz>and now there are Debian packages, so it is completely trivial
11:45<nevertheless>there are gentoo-ebuilds for the xmltv inxludes, but it took some time, until i realized, that there was an error in the install scripts of those, so it took some time :-)
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12:16<Chutt>blah
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12:45<hadees>so since no one is talking and i am looking at building a system, what kind of set ups do you guys have with mythtv?
12:46<nevertheless>this really is a much asked question :-)
12:46<Chutt>i've got most of that on the website
12:48<nevertheless>im currently running it (more testing it) on my tbird 800, but Im on my way for a xp 2000+, hope this will be enough :-)
12:50<hadees>i am bored
12:50<hadees>you know what mythtv should have a wiki site like freevo has
12:50<hadees>then people could just put thier system specs on it
12:50<Chutt>i don't like wikis
12:50<nevertheless>whats a "wiki"?
12:50<Chutt>webpage that anyone can change
12:51<hadees>they work, and i think you can always change back the stuff if some one is a A-hole and
12:51<hadees>screws it up
12:51<nevertheless>uah
12:52<hadees>i have a dev question about mythtv actully, why hasn't dvd been linked in like mythgames and mythmusic?
12:53<hadees>legal reasons?
12:53<Chutt>nope
12:53<Chutt>i have a hardware dvd player, so i use that
12:53<zytah>:P
12:53<hadees>i know but having the computer do it has added benifit like you can make the dvd player region O
12:54<hadees>i know you can link DVD in, just seems odd that there is a Mythgame before a mythdvd
12:55<nevertheless>i thought i read smth about quitting mythfrontend, but i cannot find it, so how can I quit it?
12:55<Chutt>alt-f4 generally works
12:56<nevertheless>hmmm, alt-f4 unfortunatly does nothing
12:56<Chutt>then no, you can't
12:56<nevertheless>:-)
12:57<nevertheless>did you ever think about adding a possibility to shut down the computer from mythepg? because when i have a dedicated mythtv box i really would like to have such a feature
12:57<Chutt>nope
12:57<Chutt>i don't shut my computers down, so
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12:59<nevertheless>hmm, here in germany the power is quite expensive, so i have to, but i thought about adding a feature, which uses nvram-wakeup to check the next recording and set the bios wakeuptime to the next recordingtime upon powerdown
13:00<hadees>pcs don't use up that much power, how ever did you know that a tv uses 25% of its power while off
13:00<hadees>waiting for you to turn it on
13:00<nevertheless>yeah, i know, but i don't have a tv ;-)
13:01<hadees>so why do you need mythtv, you watch all this stuff on a computer monitor?
13:01<hadees>crazy
13:03<nevertheless>yeah, maybe there comes a tv, if i have mythtv running on my box, but im using a dedicated monitor for that, which is only used for mythtv (or which will... since the box didn't arrrive yet)
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13:42<mdz>nevertheless: wouldn't you rather have it suspended than turned off?
13:44<nevertheless>why?
13:45<nevertheless>i never used apm/acpi under linux, so i don't know, how good that works
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14:02<mdz>nevertheless: because when you want to use it again, it doesn't have to boot
14:02<mdz>nevertheless: and if ACPI works well on your system, it can suspend to RAM and use very little power
14:02<nevertheless>does this stuff work right with linux?
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14:48<mdz>nevertheless: it depends on the hardware
14:48<mdz>and the BIOS
14:49<nevertheless>yeah, with windows all that worked for me (with my current setup) but for the linux side I never heard smth positiv
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14:57<mdz>the ACPI stuff in 2.4.latest is usually old, you need the ACPI patch from sourceforge
14:57<nevertheless>good to know
14:57<mdz>I have my mythtv box to the point where the power button works to initiate a shutdown
14:58<mdz>and some of the sleep modes work
14:58<nevertheless>some? i only know suspend to disk and suspend to ram... any others?
14:59<mdz>there are S0 through S5
15:00<mdz>various levels of power consumption
15:01<nevertheless>hmmm, s0 is on, s5 is off, the don't count ;-)
15:03<nevertheless>if they'll work on my new system, they WILL be an alternative
15:08<mdz>there are also the CPU throttling modes
15:08<mdz>and the performance threshold stuff
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15:56<Chutt>hum
15:59<Chutt>wonder what the problem with mythmusic is
16:00<Chutt>probably the guy doesn't have any id3 tags or whatnot
16:11<mdz>maybe you should remove the mp3 support :-P
16:11<Chutt>naw, i'll leave it in for someone to ix
16:11<Chutt>fix
16:17<Chutt>of course, the likelyhood of that is, well, tiny
16:17<Chutt>but, hey, that's what open source is all about =)
16:33<mdz>hmm, another dead-looking wintv-pvr driver project
16:33<mdz>this one for the USB
16:33<mdz>http://pvrusb.sourceforge.net/
16:34<Chutt>already saw that one
16:34<Chutt>remember the guy that was asking about that awhile ago? =)
16:34<mdz>nope
16:34<mdz>gets lost in the sea of other requests for hardware advice
16:34<Chutt>in here
16:35<mdz>I spent weeks researching hardware support before I built my box, and some things still went wrong :-)
16:35<mdz>everybody wants a free ride
16:36<Chutt>heh
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17:01<nevertheless>LOOL this is from the gentoo-forums:
17:02<nevertheless>subject: mythtv doesn't work
17:02<nevertheless>bash-2.05a# mythtv
17:02<nevertheless> Couldn't open database
17:02<nevertheless> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
17:02<nevertheless> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
17:02<nevertheless> ERROR opening file '/mnt/store/ringbuf.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter.
17:02<nevertheless> Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
17:02<nevertheless> Cannot open DSP '', dying.
17:02<nevertheless> Could not detect audio blocksize
17:02<nevertheless> Segmentation fault
17:02<nevertheless> bash-2.05a#
17:02<nevertheless>
17:02<nevertheless>I have all deps installed, and i added mysql to USE and rebuilt qt,
17:02<nevertheless> i can't even make sense of all those mesages. Also, when i start it no sound is playing.
17:02<nevertheless>people can't even read
17:04<Universe>lol
17:04<Universe>that is sad
17:04<nevertheless>hi did not get an answer, btw
17:08<Universe>hmm... that guys has posted 562 times!
17:09<nevertheless>but, on the other hand, when I look at the things that went wrong for me today, i could post smth like that, too (chutt: sorry for the patch ;-)
17:22<mdz>who are all these people buying VIA C3 chips?
17:25<nevertheless>what is the problem with em?
17:25<Chutt>because they're stupid
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17:32<Universe>oh... that VIAs website says it "Cool Processing"...
17:32<Universe>heh..
17:32<Universe>err that/but VIAs
17:35<mdz>buying a one-off low-power-consumption CPU for use in video capture sounds like the worst idea
17:35<mdz>like using a laptop
17:36<nevertheless>yeah, thats right, but for a laptop those c3 are nice
17:36<Chutt>ok, i can't respond to the most recent post to the mailing list without being too sarcastic
17:37<nevertheless>uhm
17:37<mdz>time to add an 'illegal instruction' entry to the FAQ
17:37<Chutt>no
17:37<Chutt>the 'zap2it is down' repost
17:38<Chutt>like, that already came up _today_
17:38<nevertheless>the one who wants to build his own app around stuff, but is not a programmer?
17:38<Chutt>steven fisher
17:38<Chutt>or whatever
17:38<nevertheless>right
17:40<Universe>wow... this months mailing list archive is already 1 meg...
17:44<mdz>Chutt: mind if I commit a couple of FAQ changes, and a comment at the top of filter_linearblend.c explaining about MMX?
17:44<Chutt>go for it
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17:54<mdz>who wants to answer the question about whether mythtv can be used to stream over the web?
17:56<Chutt>heh
17:59<Universe>and a quote "<Chutt> go for it"
17:59<Chutt>i'm just ignoring most feature requests like that
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18:00<nevertheless>you would call that a feature request?
18:01<Chutt>sure
18:01<nevertheless>btw, may i ask you, how old you are, and what you do besides mythtv?
18:02<Chutt>i'm 24, and i write code for a living
18:02<nevertheless>hehe, I'm 24, too :-)
18:07<Universe>I am 24 too and I am just starting to learn out to program :-(
18:07<Universe>err out/how to
18:08<nevertheless>Im programming the last maybe 10 years, but I never got too deep into stuff...
18:09<Universe>well.... I have programmed in VB, basic, and Pascel but nothing major.
18:09<nevertheless>my most intense c program was a small mt webserver we should program for university
18:10<nevertheless>i program java (bah!) at work
18:10<Universe>my biggest program was a pascal single player very small mud.
18:13<Universe>I know... not so impressive
18:13<nevertheless>impressive is what chutt and the others did :-)
18:13<Universe>very true..
18:16<Universe>but I figure I am still young and programming is something I like to do... so why not... it was that or a like as a support person..
18:17* Universenotes that he doesn't like being a support person..
18:17<nevertheless>support person? somebody answering phone calls?
18:18<Universe>I am do that...
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22:44<_shad>Yoyoyo. :)
22:47<_shad>Nobody alive?
22:51<\dmz>..
22:51<_shad>:)
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23:28<lichen_>uh oh, problem while doing apt-get install mythtv... while setting up mythtv it gives a perl error while connecting to the database
23:29<lichen_>it looks to me because its lokoing for the socketin the wrong place, its looking for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock but its not there
23:33<Nothingman>anyone here know why I can't start mysqld?
23:34<lichen_>using my psychic powers i will determine exactly the reason.. one second..
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23:37<Nothingman>very cute
23:37<Nothingman>it gives me this
23:37<Nothingman>Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
23:37<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 mysqld ended
23:38<Nothingman>the error log contains this:
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 mysqld started
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /v
23:38<Nothingman>ar/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ?
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 Aborting
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 /usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown Complete
23:38<Nothingman>021121 23:31:25 mysqld ende
23:38<Nothingman>that last word is "ended"
23:39<Nothingman>can I just touch it?
23:39<Nothingman>that is
23:39<Nothingman>can I just touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock?
23:39<lichen_>im guessing it doesn't exist?
23:40<Nothingman>nope
23:41<lichen_>what user are you trying to start this daemon as?
23:41<lichen_>cause it cant bind to a socket below 1024 if you aren't root
23:41<Nothingman>OK
23:41<Nothingman>I was root
23:44<Nothingman>any other suggestions?
23:44<Kuwanger>Don't do that?
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