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00:00<mdz_>I can go back to it, it just starts on the second page
00:01<Chutt>heh
00:02<mdz_>signals overload, right?
00:03<mdz_>so if I emit a signal with an argument of type X, it won't interfere with a signal with an argumnent of type Y?
00:03<Chutt>right
00:03<mdz_>I dunno what its problem is then
00:03<mdz_>the only difference from before is that it's nested within a different widget
00:03<mdz_>that should not change what page it starts on
00:05<mdz_>oh, the other difference is I'm selecting it with the keyboard instead of the mouse
00:05<mdz_>is there something I have to do to swallow the keypress event?
00:05<mdz_>maybe it's going through to the wizard and pressing the button
00:05<Chutt>dunno
00:06<mdz_>I'm just using the returnpressed signal...hmm
00:06<mdz_>sure enough
00:06<mdz_>if I select it with the mouse it works correctly
00:08<mdz_>aha, I need to accept()
00:08<mdz_>that is what you do in infodialog anyway
00:10<mdz_>nope, that didn't fix it
00:11<mdz_>I don't know what's wrong
00:11<mdz_>I connect clicked() and returnPressed() to exactly the same slot
00:11<mdz_>and one works, while the other doesn't
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00:28<mdz_>Chutt: I'm satisfied that this won't cause any horrible breakage if it goes into CVS
00:29<mdz_>I couldn't figure out what is going on with the returnpressed/clicked thing, but it's not major at this point
00:29<Chutt>go ahead and commit stuff
00:30<mdz_>I'm not going to commit mc.sql because I don't have time to separate the changes right now
00:30<Chutt>that's fine
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00:34<mdz_>committed
00:34<Chutt>great
00:34<Chutt>thanks
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00:35<mdz_>I should write something up for the mailing list for when people spaz out
00:35<mdz_>but I need to go to bed
00:35<Chutt>heh
00:35<Chutt>no worries
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01:34<lichen_>man i should sleep or something
01:34<lichen_>ive been working on this thing all day
01:34<lichen_>ive alrady made a bunch of changes since that patch
02:24<witten_>argh, I just made a recording and it's all jerky on playback
02:24<witten_>but it looks smooth in the little preview window
02:24<witten_>wtf
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03:03<Chutt>mdz, you missed the convert program in your checkin =)
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08:47<mdz_>Chutt: I wrote that for the previous iteration; there is no conversion for this stuff yet
08:47<mdz_>Chutt: but it shouldn't take anyone more than a minute or so to re-input their settings
08:48<mdz_>in fact, there is no way to change the settings from the top level at this point except by bringing up a config widget for the user
08:48<mdz_>but that's easy to add if it turns out that it would be useful
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10:33<lichen_>some guy on the mailinst list said you could get tv out working on the dualheads by compiling in fb support and making X use the fbdev... itried that but then when i run myth it said it cant find an xv device.. can i still do this or is he misinformed or what?
10:40lichenlichen_ Dec 04 10:41:11 <mdz> lichen_: he is correct
10:41lichenlichen_ Dec 04 10:41:19 <mdz> lichen_: what he did not say is that you could run mythtv using that setup
10:41<mdz>and you can't
10:42<lichen_>ohhhh okay, i sorta had a feeling thats what the situation was, after reading the mail over again i realized he didn't actually mention myth... unfortunately that isn't a huge amount of help :(
12:21<Chutt>mdz, ah, that's cool
12:21<Chutt>better to not have a conversion program, actually =)
12:23<mdz>yeah, more testing
12:26<Chutt>i'm quite amazed there haven't been any 'you broke CVS!@#!#!@#!@#!' emails
12:27<Chutt>suppose those'll come in a few days
12:29<mdz>no worries
12:29<mdz>I'll just explain that you pushed me into committing it before it was stable :-)
12:31<Chutt>heh
12:32<mdz>my scheduled recording at 12:00 went through fine
12:32<mdz>so at least it can be made to work, even if the setup tool isn't perfect yet
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12:56<Chutt>haha, you got a cvs is broken email :p
12:56<Chutt>gcc 3.2 issue, of course
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13:07<mdz>bah
13:08<mdz>half of that stuff is just debugging anyway
13:08<Chutt>yup
13:08<mdz>I'll just make it use namespace std for now
13:08<Chutt>probably need to include iostream
13:08<mdz>yep, got that already
13:08<Chutt>ah
13:09<Chutt>heh
13:10<mdz>fixed
13:11<mdz>all the RC bugs on gcc-3.2 were closed for a while...someone just opened a new one
13:11<mdz>broken pascal on sparc :-)
13:12<Chutt>see, that's just stupid.
13:12<Chutt>one minor arch shouldn't hold up others
13:13<mdz>it won't, that'll likely get disabled if it isn't easy to fix
13:13<Chutt>heh
13:13<mdz>I don't think it's arch problems holding up the 3.2-as
13:13<mdz>-default transition
13:14<mdz>I dunno what it is now, honestly
13:14<mdz>unless it needs glibc 2.3
13:14<Chutt>lack of someone to take charge and tell people to start uploading new packages
13:14<mdz>heh, I always go to gcc.org by accident
13:15<mdz>instead of gcc.gnu.org
13:15<mdz>gcc.org does not have a lot of compiler-related information
13:15<Chutt>heh
13:16<Chutt>no, no it doesn't
13:16<Chutt>that theme that guy posted last night is nice
13:17<Chutt>aside from a few minor things
13:22<Chutt>yay
13:23<Chutt>if that guy comes through with a new website, that'd be excellent =)
13:26<mdz>I don't follow what is going on in that matrox thread
13:27<Universe>its hard to follow more than half the threads up there...
13:27<Universe>heh..
13:28<mdz>I really don't think that you can use the matrox backend scaler for Xv using the fbdev driver in X
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14:30<lichen_>yeah i still dont understand how he got xv programs working using the fbdev driver, i wish i had more clue when it came to video stuff :(
14:31<lichen_>oh well, ill go work on mythweb more, something i CAN do :)
14:35<vektor>Maybe with mga_vid?
14:35<vektor>Or some of those other drivers.
14:35<vektor>There are a bunch of non-X overlay surface drivers. See 'mga_vid', or 'vidix', etc etc etc.
14:36<vektor>There's no official backend scaler API for framebuffer console crap though.
14:42<mdz>vektor: yeah, there are ways to use the scaler directly when running on fb, but I don't know of any way to use the Xv extension specifically that way
14:42<mdz>vektor: which is what this fellow seemed to claim he could do
14:42<vektor>oh.
14:43<mdz>specifically, he said that "mplayer -vo xv" worked
14:56<vektor>Well, that's ridiculous unless you have X running.
14:56<vektor>:)
14:57<vektor>Unless mplayer switches it on him.
15:11<tusncay0>chutt, you around?
15:13<Chutt>mostly
15:14<tusncay0>question: the digital connection case you have. does it have a fan in the back next to the power suppy?
15:14<Chutt>there's a space for a fan there
15:14<Chutt>the powersupply doesn't have an external fan, though
15:15<Chutt>so the case isn't really geared towards newer cpus
15:15<tusncay0>i bought the same case from d.c. about a year ago, before they offered the updated power suppy. and you run an XP 1800 with out heat issues?
15:15<Chutt>no, i don't use the case
15:15<Chutt>well, for that machine
15:15<tusncay0>ok
15:16<Chutt>i've got older stuff in there right now
15:17<tusncay0>yeah, i currently have a piii 700 in mine. I'd like to use it with an Athlon, however there isn't much room to fit a 80mm in the back.
15:40<Kyzoku>what form factor boards do you us? mini-ITX? microATX?
15:41* Kyzokuis planning on building a PC for his entertainment system
16:44<mdz>sounds like someone on the mailing list is experiencing the segfault that I see every once in a while on the recording-in-progress dialog
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16:46<Chutt>mdz, which email?
16:47<mdz>Chutt: Message-Id: <200212042230.35291.tclark@telia.com>
16:49<Chutt>oh, the 'hey, i want to record something' dialog?
16:50<Chutt>i never ever test that, really =)
16:52<mdz>I've never been able to catch it in gdb
16:52<mdz>not the "hey, I want to record something" but the "I'm already recording something"
16:52<mdz>or are they the same?
16:53<Chutt>the dialog that pops up in live-tv mode, blended into the video
16:53<Chutt>is what he's talking about
16:53<mdz>oh, that
16:53<mdz>I don't think I've ever seen that, ever
16:54<Chutt>heh
16:54<Universe>haven't see Ant around for a while
16:55<Universe>wonder how the VCD burning program is going.
16:55<Universe>VCD burning addition..... whatever you want to cal it
16:57<mdz>maybe he vanished
16:57<Universe>that's possible
16:58<mdz>that's a shame
16:58<mdz>that'd be, I mean
16:58<mdz>because the reencoding stuff he would need to have done would be useful
17:02<Chutt>well
17:02<Chutt>i want to do that eventually
17:02<mdz>Chutt: yeah, but he was going to get to it before you would
17:02<Chutt>right =)
17:06<mdz>I really would rather not start giving out directions for making gatos work
17:07<mdz>that road leads to madness
17:07<Chutt>aww, why not?
17:07<mdz>if my name ends up in the archives with ati tv out, I will get a flood of mail
17:07<mdz>that thread belongs on the gatos list in a big way anyhow
17:10<mdz>in fact, it doesn't need to go as far as that, it could end at the gatos homepage
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18:31<rory>hi just setup myth and embarked on my first recording but ran outta drive space now I have a file 30_200.....nuv is that the recording ? what format is it ? I intend on investing on a hardrive soon but I just wanna know if it worked
18:32<rory>mn will try it again with more space then
18:32<nevertheless>yes, thats the recording, on channel 30...
18:33<nevertheless>the format depends on your setting
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18:34<ShieldWolf>Hey guys
18:35<ShieldWolf>Quick question: does mythtv support tv functionality built into nvidia cards? (ie asus v7100 deluxe combo)
18:35<rory>ahhh right thx
18:35<rory>i'll change the format to something that can be played back by my mplayer thx for the info
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18:43<Chutt>blah
18:43<Chutt>see /.
18:44<nevertheless>Chutt: what about the quit patch?
18:45<Universe>yeah Chutt... he does link you at the bottom of his page tho
18:45<Universe>heh
18:47<Chutt>i've been busy, sorry
18:47<Chutt>haven't had time to go over it more
18:47<Chutt>i'll get it applied soon
18:47<Chutt>universe, yeah
18:47<Chutt>i'm getting hit
18:47<nevertheless>ok :)
18:48<Universe>Chutt... Thats a bad thing?
18:48<mdz_>I don't understand that article
18:48<mdz_>mplayer and xine != PVR
18:48<Universe>I agree, mdz
18:48<Chutt>yeah
18:49<mdz_>heh, all of the links to what could be considered PVR projects were suggested by other people
18:49<Chutt>it's an old article, too
18:49<mdz_>oh god, his shell scripts are painful
18:49<Chutt>two months, i think?
18:50<mdz_>lots of killall -9
18:50<Chutt>yup
18:50<Chutt>it's a pretty halfassed thing, really
18:50<Chutt>and there's no ui to speak of
18:50<Chutt>the ui's what makes this stuff work =)
18:51<Universe>yep
18:54<Universe>and most of these people that post on /. have no clue what they are talking about
18:55<Chutt>of course
18:56<mdz_>and the goal is "controllable from a laptop" not "controllable with a remote"
18:56<Universe>lol...
18:56<Universe>laptop?... thats crazy...
19:01<mdz_>"It actually worked before the upgrade, but the CPU seemed to be at its edge and I didn't want to use KDE with so little memory. "
19:03<mdz_>heh, it's 320x240 15fps
19:04<Universe>lol
19:07<Chutt>heh
19:07<Chutt>my wife's complaining about my net connection being really slow
19:07<Universe>LOL...
19:08<Universe>tell her its time to upgrade to a T1..
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19:15<ShieldWolf>Hey guys... will this project work with my GF2 w TV I/O?
19:16<Chutt>it's best to use a dedicated tuner card for input
19:16<Chutt>otherwise, yes
19:18<ShieldWolf>I've got something like this set up now with W2K, but i'm sick of its tantrums...
19:39<lichen_>i just noticed soemthing really weird, with a certain recording in the "watch a recording menu" i can go down to the recording, watch the preview of it, and even watch the recording in full screen itself, but if i try to scroll down past it, myth locks up
19:41<lichen_>actually it doesn't seem to be just a certain recording, its doing it with a few.... i cant really notice any pattern though
19:42<lichen_>okay, it just seems to lock u pthe interface for like 30 seconds or so then it unfreezes and plays as normal
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20:20<mdz_>yay, I found the bug which screwed up creation of a new profile
20:21<mdz_>Chutt: cvs ops are slow, you need some QoS for priority traffic :-)
20:22<mdz_>I've been waiting like a minute for this diff
20:26<mdz_>Chutt: does tv_settings.xml reflect how you think that the settings should be broken down?
20:26<moegreen>When replaying a show - is there a way to show the data for it (as in the episode name, original air date, etc.) ... it's in the Playback menu, but when I hit 'i' it just shows the current position
20:27<mdz_>I don't think it can do that currently
20:27<mdz_>it's easy enough to press enter (save position) escape (back to the playback menu), look at the info, then enter again to go back to where you were
20:28<moegreen>hmm...ok, not a problem, i didn't know about the save position thing though
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20:29<devtrash>when i install I get this error:
20:29<devtrash>DBI->connect(host=localhost;database=) failed: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO) at -e line 5
20:29<mdz_>devtrash: it's pretty self-explanatory
20:30<devtrash>where is the script/file at that I need to modify
20:30<mdz_>devtrash: you don't need to modify anything...just give it the correct password when it asks
20:30<devtrash>well explain it to me, pretend I'm an idiot
20:30<devtrash>it doesn't ask.....
20:30<mdz_>did you change your mysql root password?
20:30* devtrashis using the .deb install btw
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20:31<qwaaz0>hola
20:31<mdz_>devtrash: by default, mysql has no password set. the defaults should work in that case. did you change it from the default?
20:31<devtrash>no
20:31<mdz_>hmm
20:31<mdz_>you're installing the latest .deb?
20:31<mdz_>(0.7-12)
20:31<devtrash>yep
20:32<mdz_>what happens when you type "mysql -u root"
20:32<devtrash>Setting up mythtv (0.7-12) ...
20:32<qwaaz0>anyone have opinions on good quality tv capture cards?
20:32<devtrash>ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)
20:32<mdz_>devtrash: apparently you have a password set
20:32<devtrash>hmmmm
20:33<mdz_>it's not going to be able to create the database without that password
20:33<devtrash>ok 1. how do I reset the mysql password or 2. how do I place the password into the mythTV install 9 if I can find teh pasword that is)
20:34<mdz_>the easiest way to reset the password would be to purge and reinstall mysql
20:35<mdz_>if you know the password, dpkg-reconfigure --force -plow mythtv
20:35<mdz_>and it will prompt you for it
20:35<mdz_>better, dpkg-reconfigure --force --priority=medium mythtv
20:35<mdz_>that way it won't ask too many other questions
20:37<devtrash>ok now I get:
20:37<moegreen>qwaaz0: i've been happy with the ATI TV Wonder VE, although it doesn't have a stereo tuner so it's all mono. This is also a temporary solution
20:37<devtrash>DBI->connect(host=localhost;database=) failed: Access denied for user: 'root@loc
20:37<devtrash>alhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5
20:37<devtrash>Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at -e line 6, <> line 1.
20:38<mdz_>that means the password you entered was wrong
20:38<devtrash>ok
20:38<mdz_>if you run 'mysql -u root' and it does not immediately let you in, there is a password set
20:38<devtrash>thought so....dammit....I need to use mysql more often...what was the password.....
20:38<Universe>you can type mpsql -u root -p and try to guess the password when it prompts you, I believe
20:39<mdz_>Universe: yep
20:39<mdz_>devtrash: do you have other data in mysql? if not, purge and reinstall
20:39<mdz_>devtrash: if you do have data, there is a procedure to reset the password
20:41<devtrash>ok another question: I am not using a Tuner card but just a capture card, that captures from composite and S-Video how would I set mythTV to use that input?
20:42<mdz_>the setup program walks you through it
20:43<devtrash>oh ok
20:43<mdz_>it will ask you what to do with each input
20:43<mdz_>you can tell it to ignore it, or assign a channel source to it
20:43<devtrash>Does XMLTV stuff pull data for DBS Satelite users or is it more generic?
20:46<mdz_>it is more generic
20:57<devtrash>mdz_: cool
20:57<devtrash>mdz_: cool I have it past the mySQL stuff, thatnks for the help
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21:09<devtrash>ack new error:
21:09<devtrash>mythsetup will now run --configure
21:09<devtrash>--------------- Start of XMLTV output ---------------
21:09<devtrash>sh: line 1: --configure: command not found
21:09<devtrash>---------------- End of XMLTV output ----------------
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21:15<Chutt>since when is sdl a widget set?
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21:24<mdz_>devtrash: looks like somehow you managed to not specify an XMLTV grabber program
21:24<mdz_>Chutt: does tv_settings.xml reflect how you think that the settings should be broken down?
21:25<mdz_>I'm putting in a basic dialog for the global settings
21:25<Chutt>nope
21:25<Chutt>that mark guy did all that
21:25<Chutt>feel free to rearrange
21:26<mdz_>have you looked at it?
21:26<Chutt>not really
21:26<mdz_>it has themes, channel setup, program guide, playback and recording
21:26<Chutt>channel setup, themes, program guide, playback, recording
21:27<Chutt>hrm
21:27<mdz_>I've made setting classes for all of the stuff in settings.txt in CVS
21:27<mdz_>just need to decide how to organize them for display
21:27<Chutt>cool
21:28<Chutt>right
21:28<Chutt>well, hm
21:28<Chutt>i dunno
21:28<mdz_>I guess program guide would be XMLTV stuff, and not much else
21:28<mdz_>but that overlaps with channel setup
21:28<mdz_>themes is a decent category
21:28<mdz_>I think playback probably is too
21:28<Chutt>well, there's a bunch of epg stuff in theme.txt
21:29<mdz_>but then there are a lot of settings that don't fit
21:29<mdz_>like all the paths
21:29<Chutt>yeah
21:29<Chutt>i don't like the theme selection interface
21:29<Chutt>ie, reuse mythgallery
21:29<Chutt>it should be a listbox or something
21:30<mdz_>I haven't gotten to any theme.txt stuff yet, just settings.txt
21:30<Chutt>heh
21:30<mdz_>I'll just put it all in one vertical box for now
21:30<Chutt>there's quite a bit in there =)
21:31<mdz_>yeah, but given that I've changed maybe 2 things in there, the defaults are pretty good :-)
21:32<Chutt>heh
21:32<Chutt>yeah, they are
21:32<Chutt>hrmph
21:39<devtrash>mdz_: I followed the prompts....
21:42<mdz_>devtrash: look in /etc/mythtv/settings.txt
21:42<mdz_>devtrash: at the top
21:42<mdz_>devtrash: if XMLTVGrab is empty for whatever reason, run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv
21:46<devtrash>ok
21:48<devtrash>mdz_: dpkg-reconfigure mythtv
21:49<devtrash>mythtv is broken or not fully installed
21:50<mdz_>devtrash: well there you go
21:51<mdz_>devtrash: if mythtv hasn't finished installation and configuration, how do you expect it to run?
21:51<mdz_>try dpkg --configure -a
21:56<devtrash>mdz_: okay did that....now do the mythtv_setup?
21:58<mdz_>devtrash: follow the instructions that it gave you
21:59<devtrash>yep and at the top I still get this:
22:00<devtrash>Please name input source #1 [default] DISH
22:00<devtrash>Configuring channel source #1
22:00<devtrash>mythsetup will now run --configure
22:00<devtrash>--------------- Start of XMLTV output ---------------
22:00<devtrash>sh: line 1: --configure: command not found
22:00<devtrash>---------------- End of XMLTV output ----------------
22:00<devtrash>Now, let's connect channel sources to inputs on the capture cards.
22:00<devtrash>and /etc/mythtv/settings as nothing at the first line
22:00<mdz_>what do you mean?
22:00<mdz_>the file is empty?
22:03<devtrash># XMLTV grabber to use
22:03<devtrash>str XMLTVGrab=
22:03<devtrash># Live TV options
22:04<mdz_>what did you select when it asked you which grabber to use?
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22:04<devtrash>mdz_: It didn't ask... or I missed that question....
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22:05<mutexer>Anyone awake?
22:06<devtrash>where would it ask? in the dpkg config or the mythtv_setup?
22:06<Chutt>dpkg
22:07<mutexer>Do any remotes work with mythtv?
22:07<mutexer>if so whats a good one?
22:07<Chutt>anything that works with lirc
22:07<mutexer>ok cool
22:08<mutexer>you recomend a good one?
22:08<Chutt>nope
22:09<mdz_>devtrash: did it ask you any questions when you installed it?
22:09<mdz_>devtrash: if it didn't, then you've done something wrong
22:09<mdz_>that is a high-priority question
22:09<Chutt>debconf question threshold?
22:10<mutexer>anyone know the minimum CPU speed and memory to run everything in MythTV
22:11<devtrash>ok I do a dpkg --reconfigure mythtv and I get these questions:
22:11<devtrash>Is it okay to create the v4l device nodes -- I say no, I already have them
22:12<devtrash>it asks for the database to use -- I se the default
22:12<devtrash>I use teh default user
22:12<devtrash>default password, localhost for the mysql setup
22:13<devtrash>same for passwords in mysql
22:13<devtrash>then it asks what TV standard
22:13<devtrash>then channel freq table.
22:14<devtrash>then this:
22:14<devtrash>mythtv-setup must be run in order to complete MythTV installation x
22:14<devtrash> x x
22:14<devtrash> x You must run mythtv-setup as the 'mythtv' user in order to complete mythtv configuration. For x
22:14<devtrash> x example, as root: x
22:14<devtrash> x x
22:14<devtrash> x su - mythtv -c mythtv-setup x
22:14<devtrash> x x
22:14<devtrash> x and follow any instructions that it gives. Once you have done this, you should be able to run x
22:14<devtrash> x mythtv as the 'mythtv' user.
22:14<devtrash>ack
22:15<devtrash>and when I run the setup I get that --configure error
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22:37<[DJ]HaCK>cam mythtv run on sparc ?
22:37<[DJ]HaCK>s/cam/can
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22:42<devtrash>mdz_: figured it out, xmltv wasn't installed
22:44<devtrash>oh wow, xmltv rocks
22:45<darkgumby>mythtv newbie here, can I get some help, please?
22:45<devtrash>ask away
22:45<darkgumby>I get no video when I try to watch tv. I get audio. XawTV works fine.
22:46<Edgan>darkgumby: does mplayer or xine?
22:46<darkgumby>yes, mplayer and Xine work fine... BTW Mandrake 9.0 with KDE
22:47<darkgumby>more info... usa broadcastTV
22:47<moegreen>has it ever been brought up to record two or three minutes before and after the actual start time...on one or two channels the shows seems to start a minute or two early. I know I could set my clock back those minutes, but then other channels it may get cut off at the end.
22:49<devtrash>darkgumby do you have the right input selected?
22:49<darkgumby>I think so /dev/video0, the input for the card is 'TV'
22:49<darkgumby>Probed: /dev/video0 - Television
22:49<darkgumby>Probed: /dev/video0 - Composite1
22:49<darkgumby>Probed: /dev/video0 - S-Video
22:49<darkgumby>Probed: /dev/video0 - Composite3
22:50<darkgumby>when I start mythtvfrontend
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22:50<moegreen>darkgumby: by no video you mean a completely black screen?
22:51<darkgumby>I mean no video window at all
22:51<mutexer>if Im building a system for PVR.. how much memory do I need? is 256 enough?
22:51<moegreen>mutexer: that should be enough, a fast hard drive and CPU is important
22:52<mutexer>how fast cpu?
22:52<TheMole>where does mythtv get the tv listings?
22:52<mutexer>how fast harddrive? is 5400 rpms not good?
22:52<devtrash>zap2it
22:52<TheMole>ok, thanks.
22:52<moegreen>I have a 1.2 GHz athlon and it works well, slower processor may mean you have to record at a lower resolution - it depends
22:53<darkgumby>Mole, 0.5.2 does not work anymore 0.5.4 does
22:53<mutexer>ok..I planned on a 1.3 ghz
22:53<TheMole>What doesn't work?
22:53<moegreen>mutexer: I'm not sure about 5400 rpms drives, I hav a 7200 rpm maxtor. If you have linux installed now do a hdparm test on it and see the actual throughput you get out of it
22:54<darkgumby>xmltv 0.5.2 doesn't work with zap2it anymore, they changed something, newer versions of xmltv do work
22:54<mutexer>I havent bought the drive yret
22:54<TheMole>oh, they are just parsing the HTML?
22:54<devtrash>moegreen: what would you say would be minimum to make VHS quality VCDs?
22:55<darkgumby>dunno what the magic is, xmltv scrapes the listings off the site and outputs XML
22:56<moegreen>I'm watching a 480x480 recording now on my computer monitor and it looks good - I haven't tried lower resolutions, and 640x480 is a bit choppy
22:56<TheMole>It's prolly using regexs and zap2it change the output. I don't think I'll be able to build a PVR anytime soon, but when I do I'm using mythtv.
22:56<mdz_>devtrash: how did you prevent xmltv from getting installed automatically when you installed mythtv?
22:56<mutexer>how is the TV through it? it look as good as a standard TV?
22:57<devtrash>mdz_: beats me :)
22:57<mutexer>or does that depend on the tv card?
22:57<moegreen>yeah, it's hard to tell at this point, I am sitting right by the computer monitor so it may distort my perspective a bit. I think it depends somewhat on the tv card
22:57<moegreen>as well
22:58<devtrash>I did the debian install that is on the mythtv site and added the entries in my sources.list, so when I looked to see if xmltv was installed it didn't appear to be and apt-get'ing it said it was superseded by libxml-perl, which was intsalled
22:58<devtrash>so I just pulled the bz2 of the latest xmltv, and installed it and I am now added my channels
22:59<moegreen>Once I get my tv output 'web cable plus' in two days, i'll be able to tell the difference easier
22:59<darkgumby>brb
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22:59<moegreen>errr, better
22:59<mutexer>do you know if the ATI ALl in Wonder 128 Pro works with it?
22:59<mdz_>devtrash: it was right, it has been superseded by libxmltv-perl, and you should use that, not the tarball
23:00<mdz_>devtrash: mythtv depends on libxmltv-perl, so you already had xmltv installed. must have been something else wrong.
23:00<devtrash>hmmmm
23:00<devtrash>well let me get my channels set up and I'll see if it goes from tehre
23:00<moegreen>mutexer: I'm not sure, but I have an ATI TV Wonder VE which works
23:01<mutexer>using the gato driver?
23:01<mutexer>or ati.2 I think its called
23:02<moegreen>the ATI TV Wonder VE is an tv tuner input card...so I'm not sure about the all in wonder pro 128
23:02<Chutt>the tv wonder ve is a bt8x8 card, it uses the standard driver
23:02<mutexer>oohh
23:02<mutexer>hmm
23:02<devtrash>how about the PVR-USB?
23:02<devtrash>by uh...crap
23:03<mutexer>ok one more question...thx for answering all my questions.....is a 40gb harddrive big enough?
23:03<mutexer>is it relatively the same as tivo? 1 hour = approximately 1 gig
23:03<moegreen>it is, but the more you want to record and have saved at a time, the more space you need
23:03<Chutt>depends on how much cpu you want to throw at things
23:04<mutexer>I dont want to sacrifice quality..i dont want crappy recorded video
23:06<moegreen>mutexer: the current settings I have has a 1 hour program at around 3 gigs
23:06<Chutt>i capture about 1.5GB/hour
23:06<devtrash>isn't it better to have ahard drive that has no filesystem on it?
23:06<devtrash>a raw drive as it were
23:06<Chutt>not really
23:06<mutexer>Im thinking of going with a 80 gig
23:07<mutexer>once you can edit out commercials and it actually removes them itll be awesome... all though right now MythTV is awesome
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23:10<Dopy>anyone here?
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23:11<moegreen>yes
23:12<The_TiK>i was wondering if there was anything i could tweak to make watching tv run a little smoother?
23:21<moegreen>The_TiK: are you compressing your audio?
23:23<The_TiK>yeah
23:23<The_TiK>i got it better...it was just my audio sampling rate
23:27<The_TiK>when im watching tv...it has a summary of whats playing...whats the key to get it off?
23:28<moegreen>The_TiK: it should disappear after a few seconds
23:28<The_TiK>ok...thanks
23:29<mutexer>does the tv play fullscreen?
23:29-!-Memorex [memorex@pc-80-194-106-8-ba.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #mythtv
23:29<Memorex>hi
23:29<The_TiK>mine does
23:29<moegreen>mutexer: yes, there is a transparent overlay that can show the channel/program info
23:29<mutexer>cool
23:30<Memorex>anyone aware of a usb video capture device, with vid4lin drivers?
23:30<mutexer>moegreen: do you use a remote?
23:30<The_TiK>on freshmeat there is a usb driver for wintv
23:30<Memorex>im thinking of the x-box
23:31<Memorex>it should be able to drive a usb capture device
23:31<moegreen>I plan on it, I haven't had time to build the ir receiver
23:31<mutexer>hrm..pvr xbox would be cool
23:31<Memorex>yeah :)
23:31<Memorex>shouldnt be to hard either
23:31<mutexer>microsoft is making an official one but itll probably be a monthly fee
23:32<Memorex>yeah
23:32<Memorex>get mythtv running on it, and show em up :P
23:32<Memorex>it sounds kewl anyhow
23:32<mutexer>heh
23:32<Memorex>anyone see any reason it shouldnt work?
23:33<mutexer>if it worked well you could sell those...itd be illegal ...but people would probably buy one
23:33<Memorex>why wouldnt it work well? :P
23:33<mutexer>processor could be too slow
23:34<mutexer>if you got a source based distro like gentoo on it...you might could get it running good
23:34<Memorex>yeah
23:34<mutexer>processor might be good...dont listen to me :)
23:34<Memorex>optimising it would come after getting it working
23:35<Memorex>:P
23:35<Chutt>i doubt it has enough ram
23:35<mutexer>I wish xbox linux worked without mod chip
23:35<Memorex>yeah
23:36<Memorex>from the xbox-linux site: The Xbox has only 64 MB of RAM. Is this enough for Linux? Can I add more RAM?
23:36<Memorex>Current versions of Linux still work very well with only 64 MB. It is suspected that additional RAM chips can be soldered into the box to extend RAM to a total of 128 MB, but we have no experience with it.
23:36<Memorex>its suspected it can drive 128
23:36<Chutt>it's got 64 MB of ram to share with the video card.
23:36<Chutt>not nearly enough.
23:36<Memorex>yeah
23:37<Memorex>true
23:37<Memorex>but im counting on their working out how to get it to address more
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23:38<mutexer>ram support sucks if it shares 64 for both
23:39<Memorex>its probably going to run baddly, but if I can get any of it running will be a kewl toy
23:39<Memorex>you know?
23:39<mutexer>I wonder how tough itll be to modify the mame plugin to work with snes
23:40<mutexer>or any other emulator
23:43<Memorex>yeah that would be kewl
23:49<Chutt>there's hooks there for other emulators
23:50<Chutt>just the mame stuff is the only thing written
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23:52<mutexer>oh.. cool
23:54<DigDug>So what kind of load does mythtv put on a system? I am thinking of using my desktop P4 as a PVR.
23:55<Chutt>on the website
23:55<The_TiK>im using a 1 ghz athlon...works fine
23:58<Edgan>DigDug: The faster the better. I can't do 640x480 mpeg4 live tv well on my Athlon 1.33ghz.
23:59<devtrash>mdz_:
23:59<devtrash>Grabbing XMLTV data using /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_na is not verified as working.
23:59<DigDug>How do you work around it? Is it just choppy?
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23:59<mdz_>devtrash: if you're using /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_na, you're on your own
23:59<mdz_>devtrash: I provide debian packaged versions of everything that are known to work together