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00:09<mdz_>anybody out there using the actisys serial IR transmitter with lirc?
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00:09<Chutt>problems?
00:09<mdz_>just plugged it in and it's not working yet
00:10<mdz_>lirc says it doesn't think the device can send
00:10<Chutt>heh
00:11<mdz_>it doesn't tell you anything useful unless you recompile it with debugging
00:14<mdz_>ok, got that part fixed
00:14<mdz_>it at least thinks it's sending now
00:14<mdz_>now to find out why it isn't doing anything :-)
00:16<Chutt>heh
00:17<tinsley>live tv over network?
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00:17<Arelius>good day
00:18<mdz_>is Carlos Talbot around?
00:18<tinsley>oooh, not playback yet though
00:19<Chutt>but that'll come shortly.
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00:21<tinsley>so for this client/server model, there will be like a myth daemon you can run on the server
00:21<Chutt>have to instead of can
00:22<Chutt>even if there's only one machine, now
00:22<tinsley>ok
00:22<mdz_>hmm, would help if the serial port were enabled in the bios eh
00:22<tinsley>i havent set up myth yet, obviously
00:24<tinsley>i;m looking to do something like videolan though
00:24<tinsley>has that been discussed yet as an integrated feature?
00:25<Chutt>no
00:25<Chutt>i don't see the need to integrate it.
00:26<Chutt>anyone know a 'davis@enrock.homeip.net'?
00:26<bigguy>I need to get directv or dish so I can use mythtv. Now that I moved back home I have no need for it seeing as we have no cable and get nbc, pax and sometimes can pickup fox, cbs and abc
00:27<bigguy>none come in that clearly either
00:27<Chutt>davis@enel.ucalgary.ca, rather
00:28<tinsley>bigguy: you can record nbc and pax
00:28<bigguy>tinsley: heh the signal isn't that great
00:29<tinsley>the spammer
00:29<bigguy>even with the signal amplifier turned on
00:29<tinsley>lol
00:29<tinsley>yea, get a dish, they are pretty inexpensive these days
00:30<bigguy>heh I need to get a job first then I'll get one
00:31<bigguy>my cousin in alabama had Dish but he also used a programmer so he was stealing pay per view and such
00:32<tinsley>hacking a dish is 1) expensive 2) very time consuming
00:33<devtrash>3) dangerous too
00:33<tinsley>not in canada
00:33<bigguy>tinsley: he spent $35 for the equipment and $50 for a used reciever/dish/unlooped card combo
00:34<Arelius>what is a ... reciever/dish/unlooped card combo
00:34<bigguy>the card was already programmed by someone
00:35<Arelius>to do what??
00:35<bigguy>recieve all available channels
00:35<bigguy>and free pay per view
00:35<brtb>to unlock all the channels without paying directv for it
00:35<Arelius>...
00:35<Arelius>so it is just a Dish Reciver that is hacked
00:35<Arelius>or DirctTV reciver
00:35<bigguy>Directv is harded to do than dish
00:36<tinsley>you still need an IRD interface
00:36<bigguy>Directtv sends out ECM alot
00:37<tinsley>of course
00:37<bigguy>anyway I don't want to go that route
00:37<tinsley>thats why you need an emulator too
00:37<tinsley>to protect your card
00:37<bigguy>heh
00:38<brtb>so you have to have a computer sitting there doing emulation... so you need a programmer, fake card, and the software running on a machine... it starts to pile up
00:39<tinsley>it does, i have a friend who was a dish hacker, he spent alot of money on that shit and alot more time
00:40<bigguy>well I guess my cousin is just lucky
00:40<bigguy>he has connections too so ;)
00:40<tinsley>yea, so does everyones cousin in alabama
00:40<bigguy>blah
00:41<bigguy>More connections than I have here in Arkansas.
00:41<tinsley>hey bigguy
00:41<tinsley>i drove once from IL to FL and how come all those ppl down there eat boiled peanuts
00:42<bigguy>dunno I've never seen boiled peanuts
00:42<tinsley>what?!
00:42<tinsley>there would be stands on the street corner sellin em
00:42<bigguy>we eat dry roasted/oven backed around here
00:43<bigguy>baked
00:44<tinsley>nevertheless, definitely a southern food
00:44<bigguy>I'm not big on peanuts anyway
00:44<tinsley>cashews are where it's at
00:44<bigguy>I like English/Black Walnuts and Pastacios(?)
00:45<bigguy>cashews are good also
00:45<tinsley>the most expensive nut
00:45<Edgan>Anyone have a copy of mdz_'s mplayer patch that hasn't been molested by the mailing list and works?
00:45<tinsley>Edgan: mythvideo?
00:46<Edgan>tinsley: not sure what is called, the patch at http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-December/002282.html
00:46<Chutt>molested by the mailing list?
00:47<Chutt>it was an attachment.
00:47<bigguy>hmm
00:47<Edgan>Chutt: I am not on the mailing list and on see the archives
00:48<Chutt>should've been subscribed, then, i guess
00:48<Edgan>Chutt: A cut and paste, plus search replace to get rid of htmlisms still leaves me with a broke patch
00:48<tinsley>Edgan: why not subscribe to the list and get the old messages
00:48<Chutt>missed something, i imagine
00:49<Edgan>Chutt: yeah, the I understand that
00:49<Edgan>tinsley: how do I get the mailing list to send me old messages?
00:49<bigguy>I need to try that front panel cad/pricing program out to see how much a nice front panel precut for a 20x4 VFD, a laptop dvddrive, a 20 led vu meter, and nice power/reset/led cutouts would cost
00:50<mdz_>heh, I tried to send mail to the fellow who said he had this thing working, but his address bounces
00:50<mdz_>Edgan: download the mbox
00:51<tinsley>Edgan: with get
00:52<Edgan>tinsley: that doesn't make much sense. Going to try sending the patch to myself as an attachment
00:52<bigguy>Chutt you still working for the same company?
00:52<Chutt>yup
00:53<tinsley>Edgan: mailman uses majordomo style commands, what doesnt make sense about that
00:53* bigguytries to remember the name ;)
00:53<Chutt>heh
00:54<Edgan>tinsley: I didn't know that it did.
00:54<bigguy>Chutt: I've been away too long
00:54<bigguy>I wish my cousin had DSL/Cable type connections in Alabama so I coulda kept up ;)
00:54<mdz_>Edgan: there is a hyperlink on the page with the mailing list archives labeled DOWNLOADABLE VERSION
00:55<tinsley>yea, just get the raw version of Dec
00:55<tinsley>or copy/paste the patch
00:55<mdz_>but if you're having trouble downloading the patch, there isn't much hope for applying and using it
00:56<Edgan>mdz_: I know how to apply patches fine
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01:03<mdz_>lirc really screws up the clock
01:03<mdz_>ntpd is going nuts
01:04<Chutt>heh
01:05<mdz_>still can't get it to talk though
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01:05<mdz_>I can't even tell if it's sending something...it would be convenient if I could see IR
01:08<bigguy>well off to bed I go
01:08<Chutt>'gnite
01:09<bigguy>later
01:09<bigguy>afk
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01:12<tinsley>mdz_: you have a digital camera?
01:12<Tuscany>mdz, you still having problems with the actisys?
01:13<mdz_>tinsley: yes
01:13<mdz_>Tuscany: yep
01:13<tinsley>mdz_: you should be able to see the IR in the lcd of your camera
01:13<mdz_>Tuscany: too many variables...I don't know if my codes are right, if the driver is correct, etc...
01:14<Tuscany>i notice you sent a reply to my original post from november. Have you checked out http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.4 ?
01:14<Tuscany>the config file is the exact same on I'm using
01:14<Tuscany>i.e., the one you attached to your email
01:15<mdz_>I'll test receiving and see if that works then
01:15<Edgan>mdz_: I downloaded the mbox from the webpage and fed it to Evolution. The attachements don't show up as such, just plain text.
01:16<mdz_>Tuscany: what flags did you use to compile the module?
01:16<mdz_>Edgan: mutt works
01:16<Tuscany>mdz, you mentioned you're using lirc_serial. that's the wrong driver. did you go through setup.sh within lirc?
01:17<Tuscany>you should be using lirc_sir
01:17<mdz_>really?
01:17<Tuscany>if you properly selected the actisys within setup.sh it should have configured lirc to build the lirc_sir driver. yep
01:18<Tuscany>read 8.4. It contains more detail than what I posted back in november
01:19<mdz_>hmm, according to the documentation I read it sounded like serial was the right driver for a transmitter connected to a serial port
01:20<Tuscany>did you run setup.sh?
01:20<mdz_>no
01:20<mdz_>I am not installing lirc from source, I am using the Debian packages
01:20<Tuscany>oh...ok
01:20<Tuscany>well, do you know if your serial driver is built into your kernel? or a module?
01:21<Tuscany>that is, the standard linux serial driver
01:21<mdz_>it is built in
01:21<mdz_>but I disabled it on the port with the actisys using setserial
01:21<Tuscany>if it's building you have to use the setserial command. ok. good
01:21<Tuscany>did you try a modprobe lirc_sir ?
01:22<mdz_>didn't build that module, doing it now
01:24<mdz_>ok, lirc_sir loads
01:24<Edgan>mdz_: tried mutt with the webpage mbox. Again, doesn't see it as an attachment. It does see the whole message as one, but that does me no good.
01:25<Tuscany>try "rc 1" and watch your cable box
01:25<mdz_>just did, nothing happened
01:25<mdz_>where is the sensor? I'm pointing it more or less at the LED display
01:26<Tuscany>yeah, i have mine about one foot away directly in front of the led.
01:26<mdz_>;hmm
01:26<Tuscany>when you built the lirc_sir module did it ask what serial port you were compiling for?
01:27<mdz_>yep, and I gave it the right one
01:27<mdz_>I do get this, though: enable_irq(4) unbalanced from e49069b7
01:27<mdz_>which sounds like the driver could be confused
01:27<Tuscany>yeah, i get the same thinig. seems to be normal
01:27<mdz_>oh
01:28<mdz_>Tuscany: the message I sent to you directly bounced, btw
01:28<Tuscany>here's another test you can do. you can try at least to see if receive is working.
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01:29<mdz_>I tried irw and got nothing
01:30<Tuscany>you have to get close to test "receiving". the actisys seems to only function when your less than 4 feet away when it's receiving
01:30<mdz_>I held the remote directly up to the thing, less than an inch away :-)
01:30<Tuscany>you tried emailing me directly?
01:30<mdz_>yep
01:31<Tuscany>you might want to run lircd in the foreground using the "-n" switch.
01:35<Chutt>heh
02:25<mdz_>yay, works
02:25<Chutt>cool
02:26<mdz_>the debian lirc package screwed me
02:26<mdz_>I can't find the bug, though
02:27<mdz_>I think it was in the older lirc I had on there before I upgraded it to 0.6.6
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02:28<mdz_>it was passing the wrong compiler flag
02:29<mdz_>I have a fair amount of code toward the video source setup
02:29<Chutt>cool
02:29<Chutt>i _should_ be checking my stuff in tomorrow
02:29<mdz_>I have some incentive to work on the external channelchange stuff now too
02:30<mdz_>bed now though
02:30<Chutt>heh
02:30<Chutt>g'nite
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03:00<mirk_dt>Chutt: if you're around I was hoping you would be able to post your XF86Config file for your dual head setup.
03:00<mirk_dt>I've been fighting the thing all day. Grrr.
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15:42<ian2>anyone here?
15:43<moegreen>yes
15:44<ian2>what widget set are the dialogs drawn with it mythtv?
15:45<moegreen>qt
15:45<Markie>heh..can somebody help witha QT question
15:45<ian2>hmm, because they won't theme, even though the rest of my desktop is themed, any idea why?
15:45<mdz_>ian2: edit theme.txt
15:46<mdz_>ian2: int ThemeQt=1
15:46<ian2>i did, but thas just the menu, not the dialogs
15:47<ian2>thought that was 1 by default
15:51<ian2>anyone using the PIP?
16:36<mdz_>Chutt: you have any ideas for the capture card/channel source setup UI?
16:36<mdz_>I have the pieces written, need to decide how to put them together
16:46<Chutt>still wanting to do a wizard?
16:49<moegreen>Chutt: how do you want me to submit these changes?
16:49<Chutt>send me a patch
16:49<Chutt>on list or off, doesn't really matter
16:50<Chutt>diff -u, of course =)
16:55<mdz_>dunno, if it makes esnse
16:55<mdz_>sense
16:55<mdz_>do you like the overall flow of the current setup program?
16:55<mdz_>define capture cards, define sources, then associate them?
16:55<Chutt>yeah
16:56<mdz_>I could make a wizard out of those 3 steps or something
16:57<lichen_>man the guy that submitted the movies.php patch is literally like the worst coder in the world, i think i fnially tracked down why his query was eating all my memory
16:57<lichen_>the same guy that hard coded "Saturday Night Live" into the code
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16:58<mdz_>heh
16:58<mdz_>what was "Saturday Night Live" for?
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16:59<lichen_>he was like trying to check and see if something was the movie, but apparently snl kept coming up as a movie, so he hardcoded it not to be... actually due to another bug in the code from the original programmer which i have nearly gotten worked out
16:59<Chutt>lichen, can you clean that patch up, and do whatever needs to be done about that other patch that someone else sent, and submit em to me?
17:00<lichen_>yeah im trying to work on it amongst everything else.. sometime this weekn im sure ill get soemthing else in
17:00<Chutt>cool.
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17:02<Markie>well thats messed up..
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17:02<Markie>duh..rule #1, make sure you take out all exit() debugging lines before testing!
17:12<ian2>whats a good 2.5 kernel?
17:13<_shad>good question
17:14<ian2>cause apparently v4l is broken in .50
17:15<_shad>hmm
17:29<Markie>yes ye syes
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17:38<Edgan>ian2: there is a patch in 2.5.49-ac2 that should fix v4l
17:40<Edgan>ian2: I am currently using 2.5.50 for my main machine. It is working well. I even have the nvidia binary driver working, tho I need to do some things to improve performance of games. Overall 2.5.50 is very fast/responsive.
17:41<ian2>u patched it?
17:41<Chutt>which patch did you use for the nvidia driver?
17:41<ian2>cause of this pinnacle error
17:42<Edgan>I used the workqueue patch, plus a patch I made to fix recent changes
17:43<ian2>hmm is their a kernel that works without patching?
17:43<Edgan>I am thinking of trying the tasklet patch to see if it helps with jerkiness of games
17:43<Chutt>ah
17:43<Chutt>is there a depmod yet for the new module crap?
17:43<Edgan>ian2: you have to stick with 2.4 if you don't want to patch nvidia at all
17:44<Edgan>yes, there is depmod
17:44<Edgan>but modules don't seem to be autoloaded
17:45<Edgan>I have also found a patch for making Evolution work with 2.5
17:46<Edgan>Which is really a patch for ORBit
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18:11<mdz_>I have a need for a generic mechanism to display a list of existing things, and allow the user to either select one or choose to create a new one
18:11<mdz_>pretty much what the current RecordingProfileEditor does, but more general
18:11<mdz_>I don't much like recordingprofileeditor
18:12<mdz_>it just uses a dummy list element called (create new profile) or such
18:12<mdz_>but I'm not sure what would be better
18:12<mdz_>how should it look?
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18:18<Arelius>hey
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18:45<Markie>yea! submitted mythvideo
18:46<Markie>it's cheezy..but gets the job done for now..
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18:46<mdz_>where is it? I don't see it on the list
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18:48<Markie>blah
18:56<Chutt>markie, thanks, i'll look it over tonight, probably
18:56<Markie>no prob..it's realyl cheezy right now..just a file explorer
18:56<Markie>but i'm still working on it :^)
18:57<Markie>shott..i already found a bug in it
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19:12<lichen_>well this is annoying as crap, my recordings get ike REALLY jerky about halfway and if i restart myth it plays fine, and if i rewind it a little and letit play it usually works it self out
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19:24<lichen_>i kinda wish the playback recording menu showed channels
19:25<Chutt>it does.
19:27<lichen_>oh :( yeah im retarded.. for some reason i was just looking on the scrollbox and i didn't see it on there, so without looking further, in my infinite wisdom.. it obviously must not have been anyplace else!
19:29<Chutt>it used to be in the list, actually
19:33<_shad>Chutt: Any chance you'll commit your big set of changes? :)
19:33<Chutt>maybe tonight
19:34<Chutt>it's not going to be all that useable.
19:34<_shad>hehe
19:34<_shad>that's ok
19:34<_shad>I have to do something other than study for exams
19:35<lichen_>oh crap... studying for exams
19:35<lichen_>i forgot about that
19:36<mdz_>I'm trying to think of a good example of a UI that does what I want to do, and I can't find any
19:38* ian2is done with finals
19:41* _shadhas 10 exams. 6 this week :(
19:41<lichen_>geez.. i got awa with a mere 3
19:42<_shad>:)
19:42<_shad>I decided not to study
19:42<_shad>but now I'm bored. nothing to do. hehe
19:42* _shadis compiling KDE HEAD
19:42<_shad>hehe
19:48<mdz_>_shad: work on mythtv
19:49<_shad>:)
19:49<_shad>I can't program
19:49<ian2>learn
19:49<_shad>I can beta test
19:49<_shad>:)
19:49<_shad>I'm actually learning assembler starting in jan
19:51* _shadgoes to watch TV with his fiance. :)
19:53<tinsley>your hand?
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20:05<Markie>hey, how can i change the color of text?
20:05<Markie>in qt
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20:21<mdz_>dunno, check the manual
20:21<Markie>heh.
20:21<Markie>yea..doing it
20:35<Markie>i'm starting to really like Qt
20:46<vektor>Starting to?
20:46<vektor>Jeez, yo'ure late. :)
20:46<vektor>Qt has been cool since like '98.
20:49<ian2>whatever, win 3.1 owns you
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21:04<knoppix>tusncay0: are you here?
21:09<Markie>vektor: heh..well, i gave up with X toolkits in like '95
21:09<Markie>motif was the only one that didnt suck then..and i had been burned by so many others, i stopped looking
21:13<vektor>Qt was great for me, but I found it difficult to convince people to install KDE to run my applications.
21:13<vektor>And they weren't ok with Qt when it wasn't GPL.
21:13<vektor>So, I just gave up on the whole thing.
21:14<vektor>I think now if I were to write a GUI app I'd just use Qt directly.
21:17<lichen_>im using a bttv and i was just wondering if anyone had any idea on how to help out the tuner quality, like the picture looks great on my other tv, i have my cable split, on going to my tv, the other gonig to my bttv tuner, and it gets these like diagonal scrolling lines.. any ideas on how to help that?
21:17<ian2>fiddle with the coax
21:17<lichen_>some channels worse than ohers too
21:17<lichen_>yeah thats what i tried.. perhaps i need more fiddling
21:17<matr1x>try swapping the cables
21:17<ian2>yeah and move the card as far away from everything as u can
21:18<ian2>maybe a faraday cage around it. . .
21:18<matr1x>could be interference with your computr components
21:18<ian2>tuner quality is always gonna suck, tune with a vcr
21:19<vektor>ian2: Why do you say that?
21:19<vektor>I mean, it's true to a degree since computers have lots of interference.
21:19<ian2>to much noise and the tuner is crap, least on mine anyway
21:19<vektor>But I've found that using my pass-thru/G400 TV output hack, I can switch between live cable and pass-thru my computer and quality is pretty much identical.
21:20<vektor>I should rephrase that: it is identical.
21:20<vektor>However, on some high channels I think I do get more interference in the computer than straight through, I should do some objective tests of that.
21:21<lichen_>g400 tv output hack?
21:21<vektor>http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/tvout/
21:21<vektor>I'm a quality freak.
21:21<vektor>We now have a driver in DirectFB so that I can write interlaced video to the G400 TV encoder in raw Y'CbCr format.
21:22<vektor>So, I'm basically able to talk directly to the TV encoder chip.
21:22<lichen_>i should know more about video.. but i dont, in short, will this help me with my millenium g400 tvout ordeal? :)
21:23<vektor>You have a G400?
21:23<vektor>It could help you, but there are no real apps to use with it :)
21:23<vektor>And I haven't had time to keep mine up to date.
21:23<vektor>But if you get the latest DirectFB, and my dfbtv app: http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/tvout/dfbtv/
21:23<vektor>then you should be able to get pass-thru working
21:23<vektor>so it will take input from the bttv and write it straight out to the tv output.
21:24<vektor>Unfortunately, it does tear right now. There are some bugs in that code.
21:24<vektor>So I claim it's alot better than it is on that webpage :)
21:24<vektor>We've been in discussions about what's going on on the DirectFB mailing list, but with exams and stuff I haven't had time to work on it.
21:24<lichen_>well, to use with myth that is, im currently using the actual matrox drivers, so i can get tv out working, but i dont get tv from myth outputted, from reading up on all this stuff, i can only ascertain this is because the chip cant do both RGB->YUV and colorization and scaling at the same time.... i found some page that apprently accomplishes this using a framebuffer though, but i have yet to try it out
21:24<vektor>Uh...
21:25<vektor>I think you're confused.
21:25<lichen_>its likely..
21:25<vektor>Waitasec.
21:25<vektor>What capture card do you have?
21:25<vektor>Do you have a G400 with TV in?
21:25<lichen_>bttv
21:25<vektor>As well as out?
21:25<vektor>Oh ok.
21:25<lichen_>no, i was using the rainbow runner, but i stopped trying to use that
21:25<vektor>So you have a bttv-supported card and a G400 with TV output.
21:25<lichen_>so now i just wanna use my G400 with tvout
21:25<lichen_>yep
21:25<vektor>Well, dude, the G400 does XVideo just fine.
21:25<vektor>So you get scaling and conversion Y'CbCr->R'G'B'.
21:26<vektor>Ooooh.
21:26<lichen_>well, i dont think it cando both at the same time
21:26<vektor>You mean scaling and TV out at the same time.
21:26<lichen_>at least not with the standard drivers
21:26<lichen_>exactly
21:26<vektor>I think you're right, and it's because the drivers are stupid.
21:26<lichen_>http://www.flashdance.cx/tv-out-mga-fb.html ... i found that page though, andi think that might just accomplish waht i need
21:26<ian2>scaling and tv out shouldnt even be related or?
21:26<lichen_>ian2, as far as i know, the card uses the same RAMDAC
21:27<lichen_>which is why there are problems
21:27<vektor>ian2: Well, they are related if you don't sample at the same resolution as the TV output.
21:27<vektor>Standard digital sampling for TV is 720x480.
21:27<vektor>If you capture at that resolution, then you don't need to scale when you output to your TV.
21:27<vektor>Since that's the resolution of the TV encoder.
21:27<lichen_>oh really? so if i set the mythtv resolution to that it would work? :)
21:27<knoppix>does anyone know to tweak color/contrast/saturation values if using composite input on tuner card?
21:27<vektor>Well... Unfortunately the binary drivers for TV output are stupid
21:27<vektor>So I don't know.
21:28<vektor>lichen: Drop by some other time and we should talk about it :) I have an exam tomorrow so I have to go study more.
21:28<vektor>lates! ;-)
21:28<knoppix>vektor: just want to say hi ... hope that category theory test went okay a few days ago :)
21:28<vektor>knoppix: it went 'ok'
21:28<knoppix>cool
21:28<vektor>knoppix: he said i got about 70-80ish
21:28<lichen_>haha okay thanks! later
21:28<vektor>so, i guess he'll pass me
21:28<knoppix>how was that relative to the class?
21:29<vektor>sucked of course :)
21:29<vektor>i do no work :)
21:29<vektor>but i enjoyed it alot
21:29<knoppix>ah, that will do it to you every time :)
21:29<vektor>well, that's just what i do
21:29<vektor>it's kinda sad.
21:29<vektor>i'm a straight 70 student.
21:29<knoppix>do you know what yoneda's lemma says ? :)
21:29<vektor>too much coding and irc
21:29<vektor>no, what?
21:29<knoppix>I can't remember either ... just remember the name :)
21:30<knoppix>something about naturalness of functors
21:30<vektor>ahaha
21:30<vektor>i still don't know if it's 'natural' to say anything about functors
21:30<knoppix>hey do you use composite input on your card?
21:30<vektor>on my card?
21:30<knoppix>tv tuner
21:30<vektor>i do sometimes
21:30<vektor>i have a small video camera i use on the composite input
21:30<vektor>also my DVD player
21:30<knoppix>do you know how to tweak color/saturation/etc values
21:31<knoppix>with mythtv
21:31<vektor>same as anything else
21:31<knoppix>where are the settings stored?
21:31<vektor>i don't use mythtv
21:31<knoppix>kidding?
21:31<vektor>i just use his code
21:31<knoppix>ah, for what?
21:31<vektor>in my own projects :)
21:31<ian2>omg theif
21:31<vektor>and i'd like to contribute some code
21:31<vektor>i mean, that's the idea anyway
21:31<vektor>my current project is tvtime.sourceforge.net
21:31<moegreen>knoppix: myth tv doesn't have any of those values, you can change them with v4lctl i believe
21:32<vektor>i'm using hacked up versions of mythtv's freetype code
21:32<ian2>is anyone working on finishing mythweb? or is that already finished?
21:32<vektor>for one
21:32<knoppix>moegreen: thanks ... I now remember that program ... cool
21:33<ian2>hey vektor, ill give u a dollar if u put on osd epg onto tvtime
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21:33<vektor>ok will do
21:33<vektor>we're doing that already
21:33<vektor>we support XDS now, so for some channels we'll say what the name of the currnet show is, channel name, call letters, ratings, etc.
21:33<vektor>but anyway
21:33* vektorstudying :)
21:33<Chutt>mdz, hey, around?
21:40<Markie>i'm sooo confused....arghh....
21:43<tinsley>when will mythvideo be released
21:56<Markie>i posted it today to the mailing list
21:56<Markie>i'm adding directory support
21:57<Markie>i stupidly didnt put it in
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22:03<tinsley>heh
22:03<tinsley>Markie: is there a ss of it in action
22:13<ian2>mythtv needs a rating system, so u can give things different ratings which it could then use to resolve conflicts
22:13<Markie>tinsley..i can dump one now..
22:14<tinsley>cool cool
22:15<Markie>http://www.shatterit.com/Screenshot-mythexplorer.png
22:16<Markie>that's with my directory navigation i'm finishing up now
22:18<_shad>Markie: harry potter dvdrip?
22:18<_shad>gah?
22:18<tinsley>nice, and those are backups right? :P
22:19<tinsley>thats been out for awhile
22:19<_shad>umm
22:19<_shad>I doubt it's a dvdrip
22:19<_shad>:)
22:20<_shad>the svcd telesync has just been released
22:20<Markie>umm..no the chamber of secrets is really "dude, wheres my car"
22:20<Markie>bastards
22:21<Markie>you have no idea how much movies i have..
22:21<Markie>(all backups of course)
22:21<Markie>over 1/2 a terrabyte!
22:21<_shad>:)
22:21<tinsley>_shad: you remember that lotr dvdrip right
22:21<_shad>how many movies is that?
22:22<_shad>I have both copies
22:22<_shad>:)
22:22<_shad>actually
22:22<_shad>I have 3 copies
22:22<Markie>imm..i htink 286..
22:22<_shad>the dvd screener, the dvdrip, and the collectors edition
22:22<Markie>lemme check..
22:22<tinsley>i wish i had the time to get more movies
22:22<tinsley>its fucking time consuming unless you got a direct hookup
22:23<tinsley>_shad: yea, hte dvdscreener...that was some sweet shit at the time
22:23<_shad>http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/movies.jpg
22:24<_shad>Ya, I watched it.. and almost fell asleep. hehe. forgot how long it was :)
22:25<_shad>tinsley: You see that pic?
22:25<tinsley>yea
22:25<Markie>71 + 25 +125 + come others..13 or so..whatever that adds you pto
22:26<_shad>tinsley: That's almost pushing 500 movies there :)
22:26<_shad>I think with what I have on my HD, I'll hit 500
22:26<Markie>this freeken QT ...arghh.!
22:26<_shad>heh
22:27<tinsley>_shad: all divx or vcd?
22:27<Markie>i cant get QDir to work
22:27<_shad>I had to setup an access database :(
22:27<_shad>vcd/svcd
22:27<Markie>i can't wait till i get the imdb hooked up with mythvideo.
22:27<_shad>hehe
22:27<Markie>i'm gonna make it so that if you hover over the movie name, it'll overlay the movie details, plot, and poster
22:27<_shad>cool
22:28<_shad>How will it know which movie, by the filename?
22:29<Markie>yea
22:29<Markie>the first time you pull you pthe data, it'll try to find it based on the filename.
22:29<_shad>nice
22:29<Markie>then it'll give oyu a choice if theres more than one result (usually is)
22:30<_shad>I pulled all my shit off of imdb
22:30<Markie>once you do it the first time, it'll store the direct imdb number
22:30<_shad>I'm about 300 movies behind though
22:30<Markie>i figure, instead of forcing people to do it in bulk..i.e. all the movies at a time. i'll just do it as you watch each movie
22:30<Markie>cause theres so many false hits..
22:31<_shad>ya
22:31<_shad>good idea
22:31<_shad>I'll use mythvideo to watch my tv-rips
22:33<Markie>ok..i got the direcotory navigaiton working! yea!
22:34<_shad>hehe
22:34<_shad> 22:34:53 up 18 days, 21:50, 10 users, load average: 2.24, 1.93, 1.31
22:34<_shad>my computer is crying
22:34<_shad>hehe
22:45<mdz_>Chutt: here now
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22:47<Chutt>i figured it out
22:47<mdz_>Chutt: did I break something?
22:47<Chutt>the recording settings was missing mpeg4scalebitrate, is all
22:48<Chutt>so it wasn't getting set
22:48<Chutt>and the recorder would crash trying to read that setting
22:48<mdz_>odd
22:48<mdz_>missing where?
22:48<Chutt>in the UI
22:49<mdz_>oh, scalebitrate
22:49<mdz_>yeah, oops
22:49<mdz_>I had it in my db so I didn't notice
22:49<Chutt>yeah
22:49<Chutt>no big deal, i fixed it =)
22:49<Chutt>but i did check in my source tree
22:49<mdz_>I just updated my tree lots of Ps and Us
22:49<Chutt>so everything else is broken
22:49<mdz_>new libavcodec?
22:49<Chutt>no, not yet
22:50<mdz_>odd, cvs gave me a bunch of changes there
22:50<Chutt>well, partially
22:50<ian2>how do u change channel ordering in the epg?
22:50<Chutt>not the new stuff that breaks your direct rendering code
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22:54<mdz_>the video source config stuff basically needs selectors for the capturecard and videosource
22:54<mdz_>the rest is pretty much there
22:54<Chutt>neat
22:54<mdz_>it should be able to create all of that stuff
22:54<mdz_>but it needs a little thing like the recording profile selector so that the user can choose one
22:55<mdz_>which is why I asked about that earlier
22:55<Chutt>ah
22:55<mdz_>I think the one I threw together for recordingprofile sucks
22:55<mdz_>I was thinking maybe a button+list made more sense
22:55<Chutt>what's wrong with it?
22:55<mdz_>it has a list entry for (create new)
22:56<mdz_>I'd rather it had some explicit action for creating a new one, separate from the selection of an existing one
22:56<Chutt>could make a button, i guess
22:56<mdz_>I was trying to find an app which has an intuitive UI for a similar action
22:57<mdz_>I guess I can just generalize the silly one I have now
22:57<mdz_>I need it for at least those two other things
22:58<mdz_>It's going to be tough to test now that my tree is broken :-)
22:59<Chutt>heh
22:59<mdz_>anybody want to send me a spare capture card?
22:59<Chutt>i don't think live-tv's going to work for you anymore :(
22:59<mdz_>I won't cry over that one
22:59<mdz_>or are you talking about performance?
22:59<Chutt>at least, not capturing to a nfs mount
22:59<Chutt>oh, performance should be better, if anything
22:59<mdz_>really? how?
22:59<Chutt>the player and the decoder aren't mutually exclusive anymore
23:00<Chutt>mostly will help smp, though, of course
23:00<Chutt>err, decoder and encoder
23:00<mdz_>yeah, I don't think I was seeing too much contention
23:01<mdz_>so they run in separate processes now?
23:01<Chutt>yup
23:01<Chutt>playback of local files works
23:01<Chutt>remote and local live tv works
23:01<Chutt>but it has some strange issue with seeking
23:01<Chutt>that i haven't fixed yet
23:01<mdz_>hmm, where did the scheduler go?
23:02<Chutt>deleting doesn't work, but everything else in the frontend does still
23:02<Chutt>mythbackend
23:02<mdz_>oh, new directory?
23:02<mdz_>I didn't -d
23:02<mdz_>there it is
23:02<Chutt>ah, yeah
23:03<Chutt>i just wanted to check stuff in, because patches from other people were starting to pile up
23:03<mdz_>this is going to complicate the packaging :-)
23:03<Chutt>yeah, sorry
23:03<Chutt>i'll get it all worked out soonish
23:03<mdz_>I'll probably make a metapackage for the standalone setup
23:03<mdz_>which depends on both pieces
23:03<_shad>yea. apt-get install mythtv :)
23:03<_shad>You'll probably have to change the package names
23:04<mdz_>_shad: change?
23:04<_shad>mdz: what does the mythtv package contain right now?
23:04<mdz_>_shad: everything except libmyth
23:05<_shad>excluding mythweb, etc
23:05<_shad>in the case of kde, 'kde' is the metapackage
23:05<_shad>that depends on kdebase, kdelibs, etc
23:06<_shad>so would mythtv end up being the metapackage that depends on mythfrontend, and mythbackend? :)
23:06<mdz_>yes, most likely
23:06<mdz_>so that people who have mythtv installed right now don't send me lots of email
23:06<_shad>:)
23:06<mdz_>threatening to switch to gentoo and what not
23:07<_shad>haha
23:08<_shad>Geez. now I need to setup another computer
23:10<mdz_>Chutt: nice log message :-)
23:10<mdz_>this will take the heat off of my minor breakage
23:10<Chutt>i thought about threatening to turn off anon cvs access if anyone complained about it being broken
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23:15<_shad>Chutt: that would suck :)
23:15<_shad>Chutt: just change the password. hehe
23:20<mdz_>maybe creating and editing should just be separate actions
23:20<mdz_>that's what I'm probably going to do for capture cards and video sources
23:22<Chutt>adding int casts to get rid of warnings sucks
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23:24<mdz_>depends on the warning
23:26<Chutt>buncha 'passing 'float' for argument X of blah'
23:27<mdz_>sucks
23:27<Chutt>merging in moegreen's epg patch =)
23:27<mdz_>what's it do?
23:27<Chutt>rearrange stuff
23:27<Chutt>optionally
23:27<mdz_>me word...templates are nice and all, but template error messages (from g++ and GNU ld anyway) are totally undecipherable
23:27<mdz_>s/me/my/
23:27<Chutt>heh
23:27<Chutt>yeah
23:27<mdz_>/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/../../../../include/g++-3/stl_vector.h:84: undefined reference to `VideoInputSelector::VideoInputSelector(int, CardInput const &)'
23:28<mdz_>the actual constructor for VideoInputSelector takes only the CardInput& argument, no idea why stl_vector wants to pass it an int
23:28<mdz_>or what that error really means
23:29<mdz_>ah, that's the "you forgot to link in the moc output" error
23:29<Chutt>http://www.mythtv.org/mc/moegreen-epg.jpg
23:29<Chutt>how'd you manage to do that?
23:29<mdz_>building stuff by hand to test
23:29<Chutt>ah
23:30<mdz_>want to take a look at the new config stuff?
23:30<Chutt>i'm planning on it
23:30<mdz_>I have a short test program which just brings up the 3 main dialogs in sequence
23:30<mdz_>add a capture card, add a video source, and associate
23:30<Chutt>ah
23:30<Chutt>not right now
23:30<mdz_>probes the inputs on the card and everything
23:31<Chutt>want to get this patch in cvs
23:31<mdz_>no hurry
23:31<Chutt>then look at other stuff that's been sent to the list
23:32<mdz_>things have been picking up in the actual code contributions department
23:32<Chutt>yup
23:33<mdz_>I need to add some validation to this stuff at some point
23:33<mdz_>it lets you do some silly things like enter an empty string for a video device path
23:34<Chutt>heh
23:38<bigguy>man I'm glad I only bought a 4 pack of Riesens. I'd start putting on weight again instead of losing it
23:39<_shad>:)
23:43<bigguy>I'm down to about 315-320lbs now from almost 400
23:44<bigguy>6'6" and have a large frame so it doesn't show as bad
23:45<_shad>heh
23:45<bigguy>only been dieting since like middle of October
23:46<_shad>I've been putting on weight
23:46<_shad>:)
23:47<bigguy>I lost alot while I was in Atlanta staying at the Hospital Apartments with my cousin
23:47<bigguy>drank tons of ice water
23:47<_shad>My problem is eating after dinner
23:47<bigguy>but gained it back when we went back to my uncles
23:48<bigguy>so I decided to get back on the diet that worked best for me and was easiest for me to keep
23:48<_shad>Crap. it's late :)
23:48<_shad>hehe
23:48<_shad>I have 6 exams this week, need to rest up
23:48<bigguy>heh
23:48<bigguy>I don't miss them :P
23:48<_shad>I'm hoping to ace them, without studying :)
23:49<mdz_>Chutt: when you said that you did not think live tv would work for me anymore...why is that, if not for performance reasons?
23:49<Chutt>network bandwidth
23:50<_shad>how much does it take?
23:50<Chutt>you've already got 2 full streams going over the link, right?
23:50<mdz_>why would it be any worse than it is now?
23:50<Chutt>this adds another =)
23:50<mdz_>another?
23:50<Chutt>yeah
23:50<Chutt>recorder -> player
23:51<mdz_>wouldn't that channel go over the loopback though?
23:51<Chutt>oh, true
23:51<mdz_>my player and recorder are both on the same box
23:51<Chutt>yeah, it should
23:52<Chutt>so, nevermind
23:52<Chutt>should still work
23:54<mdz_>have you done any eyeball measurements of CPU utilization? is there any change at all?
23:54<Chutt>it seems to be slightly less
23:54<Chutt>i'd think that the additional network load would impact things
23:54<Chutt>ie, transferring all that data over the loopback
23:54<Chutt>but it doesn't seem to very much
23:54<mdz_>should be very fast
23:54<Chutt>heh
23:54<Chutt>actually
23:55<Chutt>i had problems at first =)
23:55<mdz_>the loopback probably doesn't even copy it in-kernel
23:55<bigguy>so you can record without loading the ui right?
23:55<Chutt>the player would request what data it needed
23:55<Chutt>but that was too slow
23:55<Chutt>bigguy, yeah
23:55<Chutt>i think
23:55<Chutt>i haven't done any recordings recently =)
23:55<bigguy>thats nice
23:55<bigguy>man
23:55<bigguy>sucks
23:56<Chutt>mdz, so now there's a thread on the backend that just sits there, reads data, and sends it out to the player
23:56<bigguy>I saw something the other day about modifying bt878 based cards to get higher quality images
23:56<mdz_>hmm
23:56<mdz_>how does it know when to stop?
23:56<mdz_>or throttle itself, whatever
23:57<Chutt>i dunno
23:57<mdz_>or is this only for live tv so far
23:57<Chutt>haven't gotten to where that's a problem yet
23:57<bigguy>something about grounding issues and the mounting of the chip
23:57<Chutt>right
23:57<Chutt>it's not done yet, obviously =)
23:57<brtb>bigguy: interesting, i've always had groun ding-type prolems with mine
23:59<bigguy>brtb: I found it by following some link in that slashdot pvr posting a while back
23:59<bigguy>dunno which one tho
23:59<brtb>the dec. 4th one?