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03:56<Soopaman>just as i had feared
03:56<Soopaman>between a rock and a hardplace trying to install a mini debian onto my nforce box...
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10:25<Universe>Chutt... ya there?
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13:29<whatsit>what command should I put in cron to update the tv schedule weekly?
13:30<whatsit>I know how to use cron, I just need to know how/what to get mythtv user (debian) to run
13:31<Chutt>can't just modify the current setup that the debs do?
13:31<brtb>just run mythfilldatabase
13:31<brtb>probably directing output to /dev/null
13:31<Chutt>they already set it up to run everyday, iirc
13:32<whatsit>ic
13:32<whatsit>daily, huh?
13:32<whatsit>oh... there it is...
13:33<whatsit>well, color me ignorant ;)
13:35<whatsit>is anyone else having trouble connecting using mythfilldatabase?
13:35<whatsit>is the site down?
13:35<whatsit>(for USA)
13:36<Chutt>i haven't updated today, i dunno
13:36<Universe>hey Chutt... at least on my system... mythtv doesn't work the frontend works but I try to load mythtv.. it dies with a segmentation fault
13:36<Chutt>edit the backend settings file?
13:37<Universe>the settings.txt.. yeah
13:37<Chutt>backend_settings.txt
13:37<Chutt>that one
13:37<Universe>oh..
13:37<Universe>just ignore me..
13:38<Chutt>heh, does that fix it?
13:38<Universe>one sec
13:38<Chutt>whatsit, it's working for me, btw
13:39<whatsit>hm...
13:42<Universe>hmm...
13:43<Universe>what do I need to change in backend_settings.txt? ip address changed to mine... tried with or without the master server commented out..
13:43<Chutt>that's all, really
13:43<whatsit>i keep getting: zap2it failed to give us a page: 302:Found
13:43<Chutt>the ip address can be 127.0.0.1
13:44<Chutt>whatsit, you need a newer xmltv version
13:44<whatsit>ic
13:45<Universe>damnit... I mistyped loopback ip...
13:45<Universe>its working now
13:45<Chutt>cool
13:45<Chutt>make sure you go setup a recording profile
13:45<Chutt>else it'll just use the default settings
13:45<Universe>aye..
13:46<whatsit>"apt-get install xmltv" says that xmltv has been obsoleted and that libxmltv-perl replaces it...
13:46<Universe>did you say that mythvideo works, Chutt?
13:46<whatsit>is this a safe upgrade?
13:46<Chutt>whatsit, yes
13:46<Chutt>libxmltv-perl's the official stuff in debian
13:46<Chutt>universe, i tested it once, and it seemed to work
13:47<Universe>it loads but you nothing appears so you can select stuff...
13:47<Universe>I edited the config file also
13:47<Chutt>what loads?
13:47<Chutt>that selection screen?
13:47<Universe>yeah
13:47<Chutt>hmm
13:47<Universe>but nothing appears in it
13:47<Chutt>hit space or enter or something
13:47<Universe>tried several different paths in the config file
13:48<whatsit>Chutt: ic... well, I have the latest version (from woody)
13:48<Chutt>what paths?
13:48<Chutt>all this is is the compression settings =)
13:49<Universe>one sec.. I think I figured it out.
13:50<Universe>nope.. that wasn't it
13:50<Universe>I was talking about this setting
13:50<Universe>str StartDir=/mnt/d
13:52<Chutt>ah
13:53<Chutt>well, those are the same as before, i think
13:53<Chutt>hmm
13:53<Chutt>you did insert the new database stuff, since you were asking about it
13:53<Chutt>i dunno, bug mdz
13:55<Universe>heh...
13:55<Universe>well... heading out to goto the zoo with the fiance... I will bug you guys later
13:55<Universe>heh
14:01<whatsit>if I want my mythtv box to be a standalone mythtv-only unit, what would be the best way to log into X and start mythtv unattended?
14:02<whatsit>I have looked on the web and no one gives a straight answer about auto-login for X
14:02<whatsit>Everyone says: "I think it's possible, look into xdm..."
14:03<Chutt>heh
14:03<Chutt>i've got a separate runlevel for it
14:04<Chutt>the last line just starts X
14:04<whatsit>ic
14:04<Chutt>and in the .xinitrc, it's got 'mythtv &' and 'twm'
14:04<Chutt>which works ok
14:04<Chutt>so stuff runs as root, but =)
14:04<Chutt>err, no, it has mythfrontend
14:04<Chutt>sorry, just woke up =)
14:05<whatsit>:)
14:05<Chutt>anyway, that's the easiest way to get into it, imo
14:05<whatsit>so you start twm after mythtv?
14:05<Chutt>yeah, they start at pretty much the same time
14:06<Chutt>the window manager should start last
14:06<whatsit>ic
14:06<Chutt>as exiting that will then exit x
14:06<Chutt>you can use whatever lightweight wm you want, really
14:06<Chutt>most stuff should work
14:07<whatsit>ic
14:08<whatsit>you just tell twm to not put borders or title bars on apps?
14:08<Chutt>mythtv should be telling it that
14:09<whatsit>I still get a title bar on the front end
14:09<Chutt>i dunno
14:09<Chutt>i set it up awhile ago =)
14:09<Chutt>don't use it that often, either
14:10<whatsit>it also wants me to place the tv window with the mouse... annoying as heck
14:10<Chutt>try fvwm, then
14:11<lichen>fluxbox is good too, real basic
14:11<whatsit>I'll give both a try.
14:11<whatsit>thanks
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14:48* lisciowonders why people continually try the cvs version without heeding the 'non support' warnings. :)
14:50<Chutt>it's damn annoying
14:50<liscio>I guess it would be kinda wrong to just kill anon cvs... :)
14:50<Chutt>yeah, but it's so tempting to do right now
14:51<liscio>yeah. i can totally understand what you mean.
14:51<Chutt>just until i'm done with all these changes
14:51<liscio>yeah. actually, I was wondering how much help it really is to have others with access while you do the changes?
14:51<Chutt>well, for people that know what gdb and stuff is
14:51<liscio>Like, if I was mucking with the cvs version and could provide some insight into a bug, I never know if it isn't something you're already working on. :P
14:51<Chutt>and at least try to track things down
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14:52<liscio>tough not to duplicate work, y'know?
14:52<Chutt>i don't mind if they post bug reports, since they're at least semi-useful
14:52<liscio>yeah...maybe bugzilla is in order? :)
14:52<Chutt>but people that just say 'it segfault, why?' it's just annoying
14:52<Chutt>naw
14:52<Chutt>i hate bugzilla =)
14:52<bigguy>Chutt: you know where bma and snow-man hang out these days?
14:52<Chutt>yeah
14:53* lisciowonders if there are *any* decent bug reporting tools..
14:53<liscio>I guess the toughest thing to get around is just ensuring everyone follows a certain convention for posting errors.
14:53<Chutt>and ensuring that people use their real email addresses
14:53<liscio>for example, no stack crawl = no submit. :)
14:54<Chutt>like the sf bug reporting system allows anonymous bug reports
14:54<liscio>ick.
14:54<Chutt>which is entirely useless if you need to follow up on something
14:54<liscio>speaking of which, are you planning on migrating to sf?
14:54<liscio>(to aleviate the strain)
14:54<Chutt>no
14:54<Chutt>i don't think sf will be around much longer
14:55<Chutt>i do need to find a host for the website sometime, though
14:55<liscio>understandable. have you had any ideas for what you're going to do to increase your hosting ability?
14:55<liscio>and is cvs the worst problem?
14:55<Chutt>heh, nope =)
14:55<liscio>I could provide hosting until february...
14:55<Chutt>i'll keep cvs local in any case
14:55<Chutt>yeah, rather find a more permanant place =)
14:55<liscio>I have a hosting account that's about to expire in feb...i paid 200 for it originally, but can't really afford to pay the $70/year to maintain it.
14:56<liscio>I'd be willing to hand it over if it would be helpful...
14:56<Chutt>just the website and downloads are doing about 200MB a day now
14:56<Chutt>i'd prefer to move the screenshots back from sf sometime, i don't know how much those tack on
14:56<liscio>hmm...it does have 6gb transfer too, methinks.
14:57<Chutt>screenshots'll probably triple the bandwidth usage
14:57<liscio>yeah. screenshots are a great tool for getting people interested though. hooked me instantly.
14:57<Chutt>heh, yup =)
14:57<Chutt>i need to update them all
14:57<Chutt>now that i've got all the random dialogs using the same theme
14:57<liscio>yeah. maybe some work should be done just trying to get their size down maybe.
14:58* lisciois far to redundant sometimes... :)
14:59<liscio>anyway, let me know about the webspace. I'd hate to let it go to waste if someone else would find it useful...
14:59<Chutt>bigguy, ask me about that again on say, monday
15:00<liscio>so chutt, have you seen the page I put up at www.supermegaultragroovy.com/mythbox ? :)
15:00<Chutt>nope
15:01<liscio>I finally found all the stuff for a full out-of-the-box mythtv solution at my supplier's warehouse.
15:01<Chutt>that's cool
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15:01<Chutt>is that case cool enough for that kind of cpu?
15:01* liscioshrugs
15:01<liscio>the 1700+ I have now is fine.
15:02<Chutt>and is it quiet enough? =)
15:02<liscio>around 55 deg celcius with the oem fan...
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15:02<liscio>quietness...well...that's really up to who's asking. :)
15:02<liscio>It's quieter than my desktop. :)
15:02<Chutt>heh
15:02<Chutt>55deg is kinda on the warm side
15:02<Chutt>my 1800+ rarely goes above 45
15:02<liscio>Seriously though, it could be made a *lot* quieter with a really good passive heatsink...
15:03<liscio>because the PS fan is *right beside* where the heatsink is, and sucks air outwards...
15:03<Chutt>ah
15:03* lisciojust remembered he still hasn't installed sensors on his new debian installation
15:04<liscio>actually, to tell you the truth, i think 55deg was the ambient temp, and 45 was the cpu temp...
15:04<Chutt>and is that 55 deg measured inside a cabinet? =)
15:04<liscio>I haven't have one single problem with the machine though. It has honestly been running non-stop for months.
15:04<liscio>55 deg is inside the case, which is inside a cabinet.
15:04<Chutt>ah, ok
15:04<Chutt>cool
15:05<liscio>no pun, eh? :)
15:05<Chutt>right
15:05<liscio>So since I would like to try selling some machines, I'd also like to try and grow a positive feedback loop around the project using the machines...
15:06<liscio>either by feeding some money back into the project (test hardware, hosting space, etc)
15:06<liscio>and also just doing some hardcore work on my part on the project. Mainly stuff based around setting up a system, first-time use, etc.
15:06<Chutt>that's cool.
15:07<liscio>Wouldn't want to be too greedy and just take the cash which may or may not be generated as a result of the project's existence in the first place. :)
15:08<liscio>then again, I wouldn't be pulling *too* much profit. Remember, there's no margins to be made on hardware. :D
15:08<Chutt>heh
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15:10<nyquiljer>Chutt: your update on nov 14 said youd be posting some screenshots of your qt changes
15:10<liscio>Well I'm going to be picking up the mobo and video card to test first-hand to be 100% sure everything is linux-friendly with my system.
15:10<nyquiljer>Chutt: did i miss them?
15:10<bigguy>liscio: that wireless keyboard looks kinda like a noname one I got in a trade with a black case
15:10<Chutt>nyquiljer, yeah, i'm lazy and haven't done it yet
15:10<nyquiljer>that submitted program guide is slick
15:10<liscio>bigguy: it's actually an acer. I have a white one here. It is so kick-ass for keeping around the living room.
15:11<bigguy>cool
15:11<Chutt>liscio, going to put in an IR sensor and all that?
15:11<liscio>no seperate mouse or anything, just one piece to hold. And batteries are included. :)
15:11<liscio>Chutt: I'm working on finding a solution for that.
15:11<liscio>Chutt: I may find a distributor that carries the ATI models, if possible.
15:11<Chutt>ah
15:11<liscio>Chutt: but I think the *best* solution would be to try and get an irman in there.
15:11<liscio>(or something similar)
15:12<Chutt>most likely
15:12<Chutt>though the irman is fairly pricey
15:12<liscio>I think that's the only challenge right now. I think just tossing an irman into the package would be fine, and just let the user run the box to wherever's convenient.
15:12<liscio>My other idea was to leverage the front-panel board that they include with the machine and build an ir receiver on that.
15:13<liscio>(it has front-panel usb)
15:13<liscio>it'd be easy to run a line from there to the on-board COM port (the header on the mobo)
15:13<bigguy>hmm
15:14<liscio>The best part about the machine, is that every bit of space in the case is utilized. It's so compact, and I wish more computers came in this form factor...
15:14<liscio>And the size fits pretty well with the home theater setups around there
15:14<bigguy>I saw an old o2 case where my cousin works this would be a nice project to follow http://mashie.glassbil.net/casemods/oenone01.htm
15:15<bigguy>hmm
15:15* bigguyneeds to get some money :)
15:15<liscio>Yeah. The main thing I don't like about a lot of the cases out there is the height. Standard atx height is about 6". Mine is about 3.75"
15:16<liscio>I don't like something that looks horribly like a computer around my av equipment.
15:16<Chutt>kinda hard to fit a full-height card in there, no?
15:16<liscio>Chutt: a bit of manual intervention solves that.
15:16<Chutt>heh
15:16<liscio>and all the cards I'm using have half-height boards.
15:16<liscio>So I just bend the plates.
15:16<Chutt>ah
15:17* lisciojust realized his price didn't include a tvtuner. d'oh!
15:17<liscio>another 60 or so for that.
15:17<Chutt>are there any half height tuner cards that do stereo?
15:18<liscio>Chutt: the ati tvwonder does
15:18<liscio>Chutt: that's what I have.
15:18<liscio>Chutt: (retail)
15:18<Chutt>i thought the regular wonder was full-height
15:18<Chutt>the ve is half, but it's mono
15:18<liscio>Chutt: no. mine is very tiny.
15:18<Chutt>weird, oh well =)
15:18<liscio>Chutt: barely enough to fit the philips tuner. :)
15:20<liscio>kinda like the network card I currently use -- the smc etherpower II...very tiny...
15:20<liscio>(smaller than the eepro)
15:21<liscio>I also want to give discounts to project contributors. I don't mind passing savings along to those that help out. (another positive feedback loop element...)
15:22<Chutt>if you get a chance, could you try to reproduce that hang on the fix conflicts page with current cvs?
15:22<liscio>Chutt: will do. just watching a recorded show right now...thanks for checking it out
15:22<Chutt>i can't get it to trigger, but it may have been something i fixed recently
15:23<liscio>possibly, yeah...and ffwd/rew goes a lot faster than I remember now...great stuff...
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15:28<Juggie>Anyone there?
15:28<liscio>yep
15:28<yebyen>hello there
15:31<Juggie>Has anyone used mythgame to any extent?
15:31<liscio>yeah
15:32<Juggie>Have you used it for snes titles?
15:32<liscio>only really does mame right now
15:33<Chutt>shouldn't be too difficult to extend it to other emulators
15:33<liscio>yeah...or just other games in general...
15:34<Juggie>That's where I was heading with it. ZSNES works really well for me and I would like to incorporate it into mythgame.
15:34<Juggie>How does mythsnes grab you?
15:34<Chutt>well, wouldn't need a separate program, but yeah, that'd be cool
15:34<liscio>keep it within mythgame, if possible.
15:34* yebyenwonders if his tv listings were fixed yet
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15:36<liscio>Chutt: would you object to listing that link to my mythbox somewhere handy for people to stumble on? I'd like to see what sort of interest gets generated...
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15:37<yebyen>liscio: set top box?
15:37<liscio>yebyen: yeah...sorta..
15:38<yebyen>i'm interested :)
15:38<liscio>yebyen: http://www.supermegaultragroovy.com/mythbox
15:39<Chutt>i dunno
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15:45<bigguy>I really have to wonder about that Henk Poley guy
15:46<moegreen>bigguy: i usually skip over his emails - what did he have to say this time?
15:47<DigDug_>Hey, i was going through the CVS code adding my Xinerama support and I noticed that toggling fullscreen mode make the curh (height) of the window slowly drift. Maybe That x/y displacements and over/underscan stuff should only be calculated once.
15:47<bigguy>oh its nothing its just all his emails seem to be the ramblings of a crack fiend
15:48<DigDug_>Also, if I change the x_org or y_org of the window (to sit over the right screen) they drift too.
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15:56<Chutt>digdug, ah, makes sense
15:56<Chutt>digdug, you saw i pulled out all the regular dialog stuff to a base class?
15:57<DigDug_>I haven't gotten that far.. i just started working on Xvoutput
15:57<vektor>You should use the tvtime xvoutput! :-)
15:58<DigDug_>I was thinking that the overscanning and displacement should probably only be calculated once rather than each time the screen is toggled.
15:58<DigDug_>I started messing with tvtime window sizing/placement, that was a mess :-)
15:59<vektor>Oh?
15:59<vektor>Why is it a mess?
15:59<Chutt>digdug, yeah, you can move that into the Init() function if you'd want
15:59<DigDug_>I dunno, i just had a hard time following the calls to "DpyInfoSetUpdateResolution( display, screen, DpyInfoOriginXinerama )" and the like.
16:00<vektor>DigDug_: The display.c stuff is from ogle.
16:00<vektor>DigDug_: And the API does make sense, I think. :)
16:00<vektor>Also, wm_state.c is from ogle also. Those I'm using unmodified.
16:00<vektor>If you want me to explain display.* and wm_state.* I can, it's pretty clean for handling xinerama/xv/16:9 monitors correctly.
16:01<moegreen>I've officially boofed my sound setup - damn
16:01<liscio>moegreen: boofed -- is that the technical term? :)
16:01<moegreen>yes :)
16:02<bigguy>bbl
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16:02<DigDug_>vektor: well the xinerama stuff wasn't fully implemented.
16:03<vektor>DigDug_: in tvtime?
16:03<DigDug_>yeah
16:03<vektor>DigDug_: it's in display.c but you're right I don't think I call it yet.
16:03<vektor>ogle uses it.
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16:04<vektor>i wasn't totally sure how though. i figure if you guys use display.c/wm_state.c unmodified also, then that would be nice.
16:04<vektor>they put alot of work into wm_state.c for handling fullscreen crap, it's a huge pain.
16:04<Juggie>exot
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16:04<DigDug_>vektor: the displacement and overscan makes fullscreen more complicated.
16:04<whatsit>xmltv... how would I figure out what version I have?
16:06<DigDug_>vektor: in tvtime, the update_resolution_xinerama also tries to change the geometry. Shouldn't there be a separate update_geometry_xinerama?
16:07<vektor>DigDug_: a little but alot of that you can handle with xvideo itself just by setting the start pos and width height etc
16:07<vektor>there is, unfortunately, no way to get geometry information from xinerama
16:07<whatsit>never mind... I have 0.5.2
16:07<vektor>like, you can't tell if one head is 16:9 or 4:3 or not
16:07<whatsit>does xmltv 0.5.2 not work anymore?
16:07<vektor>this is a bug in the xinerama api
16:07<moegreen>whatsit: correct, you need 0.5.3
16:08<whatsit>moegreen: ok... do you know where I might find the 0.5.3 debs?
16:08<DigDug_>vektor: can't you tell that my the resolution of the head?
16:08<Chutt>they're in unstable
16:08<DigDug_>by the resolution
16:08<vektor>DigDug_: only if it's square pixel
16:09<DigDug_>vektor: ahh
16:09<vektor>DigDug_: there's no guarentee of that
16:09<whatsit>Chutt: are there going to be problems if I upgrade (ha ha) to unstable?
16:09<vektor>like that's the point of the geometry stuff in display.c
16:09<vektor>you can get the aspect ratio right even if the output isn't square pixel etc
16:12<DigDug_>In myth, when I have a 0 y displacement and over/underscan, why does the height get modified from to be bigger than the screen? My screen is only 864 high but xvoutput make a window of 886
16:13<Chutt>it tries to keep the height something that's going to scale well
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16:15<DigDug_>In my TVout window, it just gets clipped when in fullscreen mode.
16:16<DigDug_>I guess because 'fullscreen' doesn't actually go fullscreen.
16:17<moegreen>Chutt: Does the font used in the on screen display change depending on the size of the video? For some reason my fonts are really small
16:17<Chutt>yup
16:17<Chutt>has to, since it gets drawn into the video per-scaling
16:17<Chutt>pre-scaling
16:18<moegreen>so I should just increase the size of the font in the osd.txt file?
16:18<Chutt>hmm
16:18<Chutt>no =)
16:19<Chutt>i'd prefer a fix for the font size scaling stuff
16:19<moegreen>heh, ok I'll look into doing that
16:19<Chutt>it'd be a more general solution, at least
16:19<moegreen>btw, I'm still getting that seg fault after i've been watching live tv for a few minutes
16:20<Chutt>yeah
16:20<Chutt>i don't know what it is
16:20<Chutt>updated at all today?
16:20<DigDug_>XJ.cpp does actually do fullscreen, all it does is make a new window with no decoration and no cursor.
16:20<DigDug_>err doesn't actually..
16:20<moegreen>yeah, i just got a fresh cvs tree, there was actually a compile error when making menutest
16:21<DigDug_>well, not a new window...
16:21<Chutt>ah, well, that's fixed by a make clean and deleting your /usr/local/lib/libmyth*
16:21<Chutt>digdug, right
16:21<Chutt>feel free to change that, if you'd like
16:21<Chutt>that's really just what works for me
16:22<Chutt>moegreen, if you can try just commenting out that socket->flush() call in writestringlist
16:22<Chutt>and see if that still works
16:22<Chutt>i dunno, really
16:22<Chutt>if i could reproduce it, i'd fix it :(
16:23<moegreen>luckily I can reproduce it :(
16:23<DigDug_>It might be better if the overscan actually clipped data from the displayed data rather than moving the window. Otherwise "true" fullscreen would default the overscan settings.
16:24<DigDug_>err it would "defeat" the overscan settings.
16:24<yebyen>i need to put the video card back in my mythtv box
16:24<yebyen>heh
16:24<DigDug_>man
16:25<Chutt>digdug, seriously, go ahead and change whatever =)
16:28<DigDug_>Ok. Would you like to use my changes or would I just be doing this for my own setup?
16:28<Chutt>i'd put stuff in cvs
16:28<Chutt>well, so long as it'd work
16:29<Chutt>so everyone would be using your changes
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16:33<DigDug_>Should the windowed view be over/underscanned and displaced as well?
16:33<Chutt>i dunno, i don't really use it
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16:33<DigDug_>Well, i found a 1 percent xoverscan to be useful. All my channels have a small black border on the sides.
16:34<Chutt>so, yeah, make it do that as well =)
16:36<DigDug_>Im not sure how the displacement is useful though. Dispace before or after the over/underscanning?
16:36<Chutt>after, i think
16:36<Chutt>someone else wrote all that, though
16:36<DigDug_>Ahh
16:37<brtb>Just a probably stupid question (as usual), but I assume there's a good reason to put the OSD info into the displayed stream and not on top of the overlay, right? =]
16:37<DigDug_>Well then i'll stop bothering you about it and just do what I want.
16:37<Chutt>brtb, kinda hard to alpha blend it in otherwise
16:38<brtb>ah
16:38<brtb>true
16:41<moegreen>Chutt: when i commented out that socket->flush() line, the frontend wouldn't start (err, bring up any gui) - backend didn't say 'adding: xxxx as player'
16:41<moegreen>oh well, i'll have more time to mess around with this later :)
16:45<Chutt>yah, expected that
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16:53<liscio>mainly, I think my reverse dns is fork()ed
16:53<liscio>d'oh
16:53<liscio>:)
17:10<DigDug_>Chutt: I see where to implement the overscanning and displacement. I have no idea why whoever it was bothered with moving the window. In XvVideoOutput::Show and XvShmPutImage. You can specify a portion of the image to be scaled into the window.
17:12<vektor>that's what i said :)
17:12<DigDug_>To me?
17:12<vektor>yeah a while ago :)
17:14<vektor>[04:07pm] <vektor> DigDug_: a little but alot of that you can handle with xvideo itself just by setting the start pos and width height etc
17:14<DigDug_>I guess I just assumed the original author had a good reason for moving the "fullscreen" window origin :0
17:16<jrh>lol
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17:17<DigDug_>Now, about the optimizing the windowsize for optimal scaling.. that can't really be done. Fullscreen is going to have a particular resolution.
17:17<DigDug_>You'd have to "optimize" your modline.
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17:21<vektor>I did a patch to X to let appications register new modelines.
17:22<vektor>But I haven't cleaned it up or submitted it.
17:22<vektor>It's part of the XF86VidMode extension but unfortunately it's unimplemented in XFree86.
17:22<DigDug_>Doesn't the vidmode extention let you do that?
17:22<vektor>Unimplemented.
17:22<DigDug_>sorry
17:22<DigDug_>hehe
17:22<vektor>You can only modify modelines.
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17:23<vektor>And you can't set the dot clock, so you can't like set the refresh rate of an existing modeline.
17:23<vektor>Which is stupid. My patch fixed that, but was quite broken :)
17:23<DigDug_>I
17:23<DigDug_>I'm not sure you want MythTV messing with your modline though.
17:24<DigDug_>If you have TVout, you probably have optimized a modline for yoru TV.
17:28<vektor>I really think we need proper TV output drivers under linux.
17:28<vektor>Using X as an API to the TV output is silly.
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17:29<DigDug_>Do other OS's hand it better?
17:29<vektor>The only other OS I'm familiar with is Windows.
17:30<vektor>DirectShow is speced out such that doing nice TV output is possible, but I haven't seen any good drivers for it.
17:30<vektor>Basically under both windows and linux there is no way to, say, have the same quality output as even the cheapest hardware DVD player.
17:30<vektor>We need a proper API for TV encoder chips to support this correctly.
17:36<DigDug_>Yeah, you'd thing with the ammount of money we spend on our computer, we could at LEAST be able to output quality TV :-)
17:36<vektor>Kinda.
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18:17<DigDug_>bbiab
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19:57<Soopaman>damnit
19:57<Soopaman>anyone know of a good emergency boot disk kernel?
19:57<Soopaman>err an emergency boot disk with an update (2.4.18+ ) kernel?
19:59<Soopaman>err /j #debian
19:59<Soopaman>bleh
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20:27<paperclip>heh
20:37<Soopaman>this is killing me
20:38<Soopaman>catch 22 with my nforce box & debian cds
20:44<brtb>what?
20:44<brtb>can't install debian on an nforce?
20:51<Soopaman>having troubles
20:52<Soopaman>need internet to update kernels
20:52<Soopaman>need updated kernel for internet
20:52<Soopaman>:S
20:53<brtb>oh
20:53<brtb>lol
20:53<yebyen>w0000000000t
20:53<brtb>what do you need an updated kernel for internet for?
20:53<brtb>what card is it?
20:53<yebyen>zap2it fixed the listings, there's one for me now :D
20:53<Chutt>just put in another nic temporarily
20:53<brtb>the nforce built-in one?
20:54<Soopaman>Chutt, trying that, but i can't find drivers for it
20:54<Soopaman>heheheh
20:54<Soopaman>brtb, for the nforce chipset one
20:55<yebyen>i don't even have to merge two listings
20:55<brtb>ok what kind is the temporary one? =]
20:55<yebyen>there's one that's actually accurate for me now
20:56<Soopaman>brtb, some crappy dlink one
20:56<Chutt>yebyen, good
20:56<Soopaman>chutt
20:56<Soopaman>you know any windows coding?
20:56<Chutt>yup
20:57<Soopaman>wanna help me with a mini project?
20:57<Chutt>nope
20:57<Soopaman>it's relevant to mythtv
20:57<yebyen>Chutt: time to put the video card back into my mythtv box, heh
20:57<brtb>modprobe tulip, modprobe natsemi, modprobe via-rhine, modprobe fealnx, modprobe 8139too
20:57<brtb>any of those work?
20:58<Soopaman>so we can grab any tv guide as a data tarball and parse as we please
20:58<brtb>that should cover just about any card d-link made
20:58<Soopaman>not the 8029
20:58<Soopaman>heheh
20:58<Chutt>why not just use xmltv
20:58<brtb>8029?
20:58<Soopaman>which is the one i hve :(
20:59<Soopaman>when i lspci'd it gave me rtl8029
20:59<Chutt>i doubt that's the dlink
20:59<brtb>dlink's made sone strange cards
20:59<brtb>rtl8209 is pci ne2k compatible
20:59<Chutt>nope
20:59<brtb>modprobe pci-ne2k
20:59<Chutt>that's the nforce one
21:00<Chutt>well, 8029L or something like that
21:00<brtb>heh
21:00<brtb>nvidia copied a rtl chip? ew
21:00<brtb>if anything they should have made it a 3com or something
21:00<yebyen>yeah :)
21:00<Soopaman>Chutt, the nforce one is identified as an nvidia nforce network adapter
21:00<Chutt>only partially
21:00<yebyen>3c59x baybee
21:00<Soopaman>the dlink is the rtl8029
21:00<Chutt>the phy layer and the mac are separate
21:00<Chutt>iirc
21:00<brtb>Soopaman: try modprobe pci-ne2k
21:00<Soopaman>k
21:01<brtb>rtl8029 = pci ne2000
21:01<yebyen>Chutt: i've actually been watching normal tv lately
21:01<Chutt>scary
21:01<yebyen>Chutt: it irritates the hell out of me
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21:53<Soopaman>YAY
21:53<Soopaman>thanks brtb
21:54<Soopaman>my room is a mess as a result, but it works, and that's all i need atm
21:54<Soopaman>Chutt, are there any faqs for getting ati based tv tuner cards?
21:57<DigDig>I'm not sure how to "underscan" the image if doing it in memory. Where does the blank space come from? overscan is easy. You basically just take a subset of the image and scale it to the whole window...
21:58<Soopaman>y
21:58<Soopaman>oops
21:58<Soopaman>wrong keyboard
22:08<mdz_>was there a big sale on really shitty RAM or something?
22:08<mdz_>so many people on the mailing list with fast computers that run like slow computers
22:09<brtb>ddr running at 66 or something
22:13<mdz_>hdr
22:13<mdz_>half data ram
22:13<mdz_>half data rate, I should say
22:17<mdz_>"0.7 works great for me so I decided to use the bleeding edge CVS and I have problems waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"
22:17<yebyen>anyone know how verizon charges for "Mobile Web"?
22:17<yebyen>if it just uses airtime or what
22:19<DigDig>Speaking of CVS, any idea when the 0.8 release might be made? At least a release with the encoding optimizations should be made methinks. Should make it much more useful to more people.
22:20<Chutt>i'll put out 0.8 when the graphical setup stuff and the client/server stuff is done
22:23<mdz_>I saw you cleaned up the dialogs some, haven't looked at any of it yet
22:23<Chutt>just a little tiny bit
22:23<yebyen>hmm
22:23<mdz_>I head meant to remove the help button for a while
22:23<Chutt>i thinking of taking out the paths from the frontend, though
22:24<Chutt>that's kinda more of a per-encoding server setting
22:24<mdz_>you want to have the server read a separate config file?
22:24<Chutt>yeah
22:24<mdz_>hmm
22:24<Chutt>there's already a 'backend_settings.txt'
22:25<mdz_>that stuff could just as easily go in the database, though
22:25<Chutt>yeah, but i don't want to do a ui for it =)
22:25<mdz_>you don't have to; it would use the existing stuff
22:25<mdz_>just ripped out and dropped into a backend-setup program
22:25<mdz_>really easy to do
22:26<Chutt>heh, ok
22:27<mdz_>though there will be the crowd which whines about how they don't want to run X on their backend server
22:27<mdz_>who need to be taught about ssh X forwarding
22:28<Chutt>just for setup, though
22:28<mdz_>and the difference between an X client and an X server
22:29<Chutt>that guy wants a separate list to discuss issues with cvs builds?
22:29<Chutt>err, yah
22:30<mdz_>I see you replaced my good defaults with your crummy defaults
22:30<Chutt>yup
22:30<mdz_>for the paths
22:30<Chutt>i was going to hook those up to the db so it saved em, but then got lazy
22:35<mdz_>do you know offhand what kind of QVariant you get for a column with value NULL?
22:35<mdz_>is it invalid?
22:44<Chutt>if you convert it to a qstring, it's qstring::null
22:50<mdz_>ok
23:10<mdz_>Chutt: any ideas on a default, non-wizard dialog?
23:10<mdz_>I'm surprised that QDialog doesn't have canned OK and Cancel buttons
23:11<yebyen>ok, i need to start thinking about putting the video card back in
23:11<yebyen>hrm
23:11<Chutt>mdz, for which settings?
23:11<mdz_>Chutt: anything which won't have a wizard
23:12<Chutt>like, i don't mind not having ok and cancel buttons
23:12<Chutt>since that matches the rest of the ui
23:12<mdz_>hmm
23:12<mdz_>it needs separate actions for saving and abandoning the changes, I think
23:13<mdz_>and OK is already used to modify the settings
23:13<mdz_>do you think it is reasonable to have it always save the changes?
23:13<Chutt>yup
23:13<mdz_>if so, it could just use escape to get out and save
23:13<mdz_>hmm, ok
23:15<mdz_>what's the right way to have something happen when escape is pressed? override closeEvent?
23:15<Chutt>or hideEvent
23:15<mdz_>that doesn't really fit the interface, unfortunately
23:16<Chutt>hrm?
23:16<mdz_>It'd have to be changed so that the dialog has a handle to the database, so it can save when it's closed
23:16<Chutt>just call exec() on all those?
23:16<Chutt>and save it on return
23:17<mdz_>yeah, I already do that
23:17<mdz_>I guess that part isn't a problem
23:17<mdz_>but will it get status Accepted if the user presses escape?
23:17<Chutt>nope
23:17<Chutt>just save unconditionally, i'd say
23:17<mdz_>then the cancel button in the wizard should be removed I guess
23:17<Chutt>well, the wizards could be different
23:18<Chutt>since they're multiple windows
23:18<yebyen>bbl, putting in the video card
23:18<Chutt>but for single window config stuff
23:19<Soopaman>Chutt, is the dijkstra.csh.rit.edu site the apt-gettable debian source?
23:19<Chutt>there's directions on there
23:19<Soopaman>i have read, but i don't know if the site is up
23:20<Soopaman>'cause i can;t seem to get to it
23:20<mdz_>currently it uses the same code for both
23:20<mdz_>which it should
23:20<mdz_>in that case, it should be fixed so that closing the window causes it to be accepted
23:22<mdz_>yeah, the default qdialog reimplements closeEvent to call accept()
23:22<mdz_>I'll just do that
23:23<Soopaman>faq
23:25<mdz_>Soopaman: yes, that is the correct hostname
23:25<mdz_>Soopaman: but you need the complete URL. get it from mythtv.org
23:26<mdz_>Chutt: should it really save itself on a hideEvent?
23:27<mdz_>that looks like it happens if the window is iconified or such. doesn't seem right
23:28<Chutt>ah
23:28<Chutt>i calls hideEvent before closing it, is all
23:31<mdz_>ooh, the dialogs are much prettier now
23:31<Chutt>aside from the wizard buttons not showing up nicely
23:31<mdz_>hmm?
23:31<Chutt>and the line right above them using the wrong background offset
23:31<mdz_>they look ok here
23:32<mdz_>except finish isn't the default when it gets to the last page
23:32<mdz_>oh, you mean the buttons not being mythish?
23:32<mdz_>right
23:32<Chutt>right
23:32<Chutt>and they don't light up that well, kinda hard to see if they're active or not
23:32<mdz_>still needs some better sizing in some places, but I'm in no hurry
23:32<mdz_>that sucks that it doesn't let you override the buttons
23:35<Chutt>the whole qwizard stuff isn't all that complicated, though
23:35<Chutt>which is why i was thinking about just copying it over and changing what's needed to make it look right
23:38<mdz_>yeah
23:39<mdz_>or just making it not a wizard
23:39<Chutt>well, it's an easy way to get multiple pages of settings
23:40<mdz_>it's not really a sequential thing though
23:42<mdz_>I found and fixed that unrecognized child bit
23:42<Chutt>cool, what was it?
23:42<mdz_>was just doing a couple of things in the wrong order
23:43<Chutt>heh
23:43<mdz_>I was adding the selection before setting up the corresponding item in the stack
23:43<Chutt>i see you added the profile loading by name, too
23:43<Chutt>which is good
23:43<mdz_>so when it set the value from the database, it went looking for the corresponding thing to raise, and it wasn't there yet
23:43<mdz_>yeah, I have the corresponding stuff in tv_rec.cpp done too
23:43<mdz_>but I can't test it yet
23:43<Chutt>i need to add a PiP profile sometime
23:43<mdz_>unless it's safe for me to upgrade my box to CVS
23:44<mdz_>which means, I won't get yelled at because my girlfriend's scheduled recordings don't happen :-)
23:44<Chutt>the only unsafe thing at the moment is trying to watch live-tv when something wants to be recorded
23:44<Chutt>or the other way around
23:44<mdz_>that's pretty tame
23:44<Chutt>there's no accounting for other things using a tuner card yet
23:45<mdz_>I have some other stuff waiting on commit because it needs to be tested
23:45<mdz_>other things?
23:45<Chutt>eh, commit it
23:45<mdz_>I'll quote you on that
23:45<Chutt>i don't mind if you break things, the most people are going to do is bitch on the mailing list
23:45<Chutt>as long as you don't forget to add files =)
23:46<Chutt>hey, can you think of any reason why the 'add new profile' entry wouldn't show up?
23:46<mdz_>hmm
23:46<yebyen>haha
23:46<mdz_>in the editor?
23:46<yebyen>i love SNL
23:46<Chutt>yeah
23:46<mdz_>it shoudl always be there
23:47<mdz_>it's unconditionally instantiated
23:47<Chutt>that's what i thought, too
23:47<mdz_>heh, in fact, I just noticed it's even there in the browser
23:47<Chutt>but that one guy on the list said he didn't see where to set the settings
23:47<Chutt>and Universe in here said something similar
23:47<mdz_>hmm
23:48<mdz_>I have never seen it not show up
23:48<Chutt>neither have i
23:48<Chutt>heh, oh well, i'll bbl, time to go read
23:50<yebyen>hmm
23:50<yebyen>the sound is out of sync
23:50<yebyen>odd
23:51<mdz_>ok, I've committed all the small stuff I had in my tree
23:52<mdz_>I still need to do something about that database connection reestablishment, that is really bugging me
23:53<yebyen>i've got shit hooked up wrong
23:53<yebyen>heh
23:54<yebyen>"The heat is hot!"
23:55<mdz_>Need to get 2559kB/68.7MB of archives. After unpacking 22.3MB will be used.
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23:55<mdz_>this is not good
23:56<Chutt>oops
23:56<yebyen>HEH
23:56<yebyen>oops
23:56<yebyen>"Dance with me Al Gore!"