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02:16<PeteCool>does cvs automatically remove advertisements from the recorded shows (is that even possible?)
02:17<PeteCool>The todo list has some stuff about editing video and removing ads - which is marked as completed
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03:22<Soopizzle>hi
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13:55<Soopizzle>wow
13:55<Soopizzle>this chan has been dead silent lately
13:58<mdz_>it's refreshing
13:59<Soopizzle>heheh
13:59<Soopizzle>happy new years mdz
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15:35<rkulagow>mdz, chutt, you there?
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15:38<mdz_>rkulagow: yep
15:41<rkulagow>mdz, i've taken the ntsc-cc code from xawtv and stripped it of extraneous stuff. right now, it reads /dev/vbi and prints close caption to the console. how would something like that fit into the existing code? i'm guessing tv_play, and we'd only do it during live tv since i wouldn't plan on saving CC and trying to sync it later...
15:43<Chutt>be nice to save it in the video file
15:44<Chutt>and you'd have to, for live-tv, anyway
15:45<rkulagow>i suppose that's because we don't know which frontend is going to be accessing each /dev/vbi, so it's got to be in the stream somewhere, correct?
15:45<rkulagow>on localhost, it's easy, but not once the seperation happens...
15:45<Chutt>right
15:47<mdz_>yeah, it probably belongs in the stream
15:48<rkulagow>hrmm. i'm rapidly going to be over my head at this point. all i've got is code that i've butchered for the most part, and i wouldn't know enough of the internals of myth to know how it would fit in. you guys want it? i really don't have the cycles at this point to start grokking all of the myth code...
15:48<rkulagow>...i'll understand if you say, "come back when you have a patch"
15:48<Chutt>maybe eventually, but i don't have time at the moment
15:48<mdz_>if it's not huge, send it to the list so folk can see it
15:49<rkulagow>it's 7k bytes of c code. too much?
15:49<mdz_>would the osd stuff make it easy to display CC stuff if the data were there?
15:49<mdz_>I don't know how any of that works, though
15:49<mdz_>is it time-coded?
15:50<Chutt>mdz, probably, you can tell it when and where to display a line of text
15:50<Chutt>and for how long
15:50<Chutt>i don't know about the CC stuff, though
15:50<mdz_>7k is not too much in my book, I'm a little curious about it
15:50<rkulagow>i think on most tv's, they show the last 4 lines of text.
15:50<mdz_>but since I almost never use captions, I'm not jumping to integrate it right now
15:51<rkulagow>i understand...
15:51<mdz_>I have a general idea of how I think it should look, but it's not founded in any closed captioning reality
15:53<rkulagow>ok, i'll post it to the list then and see if anyone wants to do anything with it...
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18:31<meth>anyone ever have desynced sound?
18:31<meth>worked before but now sound is all whack
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18:43<meth>arg
18:50<meth>this is odd
18:50<meth>still cant get sound to sync
18:50<Chutt>4th question in the faq
18:54<meth>line-in is muted
18:54<meth>and set to record
18:54<meth>pcm is turned up
18:55<meth>i run mythtv once and it stops line-in from recording
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18:58<meth>heh
18:58<meth>o well
19:00<pheller>anyone ever seen anything strange, like when mythtv executes, the screen turns blue, however alt-tabbing to anything with black allows the video to be seen?
19:00<pheller>this is very odd...
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19:01<meth>weird
19:01<meth>i cant even figure out how to get my sound synced back up
19:02<meth>rebooted and it broke
19:02<meth>no alsa to screw up either
19:02<meth>automaticly deseletcs record on line when mythtv starts
19:02<meth>heh
19:04<Chutt>mythtv doesn't touch the mixer at all.
19:05<meth>well something makes it click off mute i dunno
19:05<meth>er
19:05<meth>record
19:05<meth>heh
19:05<meth>pcm > lock > vol. up
19:05<meth>line > lock > mute > rec > vol. up
19:05<meth>quit out of mixer
19:05<meth>start mythtv
19:05<meth>no sound
19:06<meth>line is no longer selected to record
19:06<Chutt>feel free to look for where it changes mixer settings
19:06<Chutt>you'll have quite a hard time
19:06<meth>where what does? myth?
19:06<Chutt>yup
19:06<meth>oh
19:06<meth>heh
19:06<meth>if you say it doesnt touch it it doesnt touch it
19:06<meth>but i have no idea why the sound is now desnyced when it wasnt before
19:06<meth>and archives didnt help much
19:06<meth>i dont use alsa
19:10<pheller>cool, g400 bios update fixed the blue screen problem.
19:18<tncollison>Are there any plans to be able to run mythbackend without QT eventually? How can I help?
19:19<Soopizzle>ask chutt when he's around
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20:42<pheller>any ideas why bottom part of osd isn't showing up (even though pause display and channel number do) ??
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20:46<jasongrichmond>anyone around?
20:47<pheller>yo
20:47<jasongrichmond>hey - I have the whole thing running. have a funny problem tho
20:47<pheller>??
20:47<jasongrichmond>when watching TV, if I hit ESC on keyboard, I go back to menu. But, if I hit clear on remote (which LIRC maps to ESC) i see a terminal window
20:48<pheller>that is pretty funny.
20:48<pheller>I don't think I can help you. I'm not yet that far.
20:48<jasongrichmond>annyoing too
20:48<pheller>yeah, my current annoyance is that the osd is not displaying. (the channel number, pause, etc does though).
20:49<jasongrichmond>hmm
20:49<pheller>oh, and the fact that my g400-tv is only getting mono sound right now.
20:50<pheller>but, the upside is that the g400-tv with hardware mjpeg is really easy on the cpu. eg: this is doing live tv:
20:50<pheller> 1599 root 9 0 15968 15M 11460 R 9.5 3.0 0:34 mythfrontend
20:50<pheller> 1591 root 9 0 34632 17M 6804 S 0.5 3.5 0:03 mythbackend
20:50<jasongrichmond>nice
20:50<pheller>yeah, that makes me very happy.
20:50<jasongrichmond>what proc?
20:51<pheller>athlon xp 2000+
20:51<jasongrichmond>I have that processor too
20:51<jasongrichmond>40% is avg when recording 640x480, 3300 bit rate, 3-min qual, 5-max qual
20:52<pheller>wow
20:52<jasongrichmond>all that box does is sit on my tv
20:52<pheller>I still have to play around with mpeg4 recording. with the g400-tv as the capture card, mpeg4 doesn't do too well for me, but with an ati-tv wonder, it doesn't skip a beat (but does take about 50%)
20:52<jasongrichmond>got my remote almost 100% functional
20:52<jasongrichmond>except as noted above
20:53<jasongrichmond>I built it/gave to wife as xmas present
20:53<pheller>cool
20:54<pheller>you using a commercial ir solution, or did you build the lirc circuits?
20:54<jasongrichmond>built
20:55<pheller>so you built a single serial port transceiver ...? did you just combine the transmit and receive circuits on the lirc site?
20:55<jasongrichmond>don't need receive
20:55<jasongrichmond>er send
20:55<jasongrichmond>I built send
20:55<jasongrichmond>and modified the sony.pl serial script to handle my RCA box
20:55<pheller>ahh. controlling with wireless keyboard?
20:57<jasongrichmond>nope
20:57<jasongrichmond>remote
20:57<jasongrichmond>remote control to PC
20:57<jasongrichmond>mythtv issues change channel commands to directv receiver
20:58<jasongrichmond>via serial
20:59<pheller>you're using lirc on two serial ports?
20:59<jasongrichmond>lirc on com1 -- this gets commands from my remote control
20:59<pheller>neat -- took a picture of the tv with epg for a friend. came out pretty good. -- http://lessjunk.com/~pheller/mythtv.jpg
20:59<jasongrichmond>direct serial wire between PC and directv receiver on com2
20:59<pheller>ahhh, I see.
21:00<jasongrichmond>nice pic
21:01<Soopizzle>pheller, do you have anymore pics
21:01<Soopizzle>i would love to see some more
21:01<pheller>what do you want a pic of? I can take one of whatever you want (except the osd cause it isn't working for at the moment).
21:01<Soopizzle>any and everything
21:02<jasongrichmond>soopizzie - do you not have it installed?
21:02<Soopizzle>for my curiosity, and for chut to put up on the site
21:02<Soopizzle>jasongrichmond, not yet, still fighting my nforce based computer
21:02<Soopizzle>my only other computer is a lowly 266 :(
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21:03<Soopizzle>it seems as though the nix nforce drivers, a radeon 7500 vivo, and an ati tv wonder ve don't really get along very well
21:03<jasongrichmond>gotta run - have a good one
21:04<rob_c>Can anyone answer a question on autostarting MythTV on system boot
21:05<Soopizzle>rob_c, either cron it, or add an init.d command
21:07<Soopizzle>pheller, ummm... epg, recording, timeshifting
21:07<Soopizzle>anything that looks cool really
21:12<pheller>well, now that you got me on it, I'm lighting up the tv to do better photos.
21:16<rob_c>Soopizzle: I have a script located in ~/.kde/Autostart that starts irxevent and then mythfrontend
21:17<rob_c>the problem is that it only runs after the first user login
21:17<rob_c>should I abandone this approach
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21:32<pheller>ok, by popular request: http://lessjunk.com/~pheller/gallery/mythtv
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22:01<Chutt>pheller, you changed the font sizes a bit?
22:02<pheller>don't think so.... looking
22:02<pheller>what are the default sizes?
22:02<Chutt>heh, i don't recall right off
22:03<Chutt>stuff looks bigger, though
22:03<pheller>ahh yeah, I must have. that fixed a scaling problem.
22:04<Chutt>heh
22:04<pheller>12/14/16 is what I'm on now. it was on like 18/24/30
22:04<Chutt>defaults are 12/16/25
22:05<Chutt>just noticed some stuff was a tad too big
22:05<Chutt>and i never fixed the rip dialog, did i
22:05<Chutt>heh
22:05<Chutt>the weird backgrounds behind the labels
22:05<pheller>yeah... oh well. fine for me :-)
22:06<Chutt>what's your cpu usage with decimation 1?
22:06<pheller>hmm, this didn't fix my osd problem though. can you think of a reason that the channel number would display, but not the overlay on the bottom?
22:06<Chutt>not right offhand, no
22:06<Chutt>what's the osdtheme set to?
22:07<pheller>blue
22:07<Chutt>no, that's not an osd theme
22:07<Chutt>=)
22:07<pheller>where is the osdtheme set in the gui?
22:07<Chutt>under theme, 4th or 5th page
22:08<pheller>hmmh, I only have two pages on theme.
22:08<Chutt>err, sorry
22:08<Chutt>playback
22:09<pheller>ahh... blueosd
22:09<Chutt>when's your cvs checkout from?
22:10<pheller>checking...
22:12<pheller>looks like 12/29 ~ 19:00
22:13<Chutt>yeah, that should be fixed in current cvs
22:13<Chutt>i think that fix went in yesterday
22:13<Chutt>the blueosd wasn't scaling the y position of the program info display properly
22:13<Chutt>well, the osd code wasn't for the blueosd's stuff =)
22:14<mdz>Chutt: do you think the osd stuff should be moved under theme?
22:14<pheller>alright, I'll rebuild
22:14<Chutt>it worked fine at x480
22:14<Chutt>pheller, i'll have a mythmusic update that fixes the rip screen in shortly, too =)
22:14<Chutt>mdz, i dunno
22:14<Chutt>probably
22:14<Chutt>moving stuff is so easy =)
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22:15<mdz>I think it probably should
22:15<pheller>I'll test decimation=1 cpu util in a few minutes....
22:16<Chutt>cool
22:16<Chutt>backend should be identical
22:16<Chutt>maybe a little higher
22:16<Chutt>but i'm curious to see what the frontend uses
22:16<mdz>the theme section could be more of a 'UI' group of settings
22:17<Chutt>yeah
22:17<mdz>it already is that with the width/height and date/time format
22:17<Chutt>that makes more sense to call it that
22:17<pheller>my g400-tv seems to only want to capture mono audio. this is annoying.
22:18<mdz>I don't think UI or 'user interface' is a very good label for it in the menu though
22:18<Chutt>what'd be a better label?
22:18<Chutt>that's what it is
22:18<pheller>Appearance ... ?
22:19<pheller>wow, posting that url generated quite a few hits.
22:19<Chutt>heh
22:19<mdz>appearance is better I think
22:19<Chutt>yeah, i agree
22:20<Chutt>pheller, there's > 400 people on the list, figure a bunch will go see :p
22:20<Chutt>there, the cd ripping stuff's looking right now
22:21<mdz>bah, why couldn't programinfo be a proper class :-)
22:21<Chutt>bah
22:21<Chutt>it started out as just a structure
22:21<mdz>it shows
22:22<Chutt>yeah yeah
22:22<Chutt>soon as this cd rips, i'll rename theme to appearance and move the osd stuff over
22:22<Chutt>i wonder if jason'll be back
22:22<Chutt>i want better web log analysis
22:22<Chutt>=)
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22:23<mdz>I just did the rename
22:23<pheller>nice, osd all better.
22:23<Chutt>ok, fine, you can
22:24<Chutt>i'm not real happy with how the osd fonts look at that low of a resolution
22:24<Chutt>but i'm not sure how to handle making them better
22:24<Chutt>352x240 just looks bad blown up to full screen :(
22:24<pheller>the pause button is the most noticeably poor.
22:25<Chutt>hmm
22:25<pheller>what if you dropped the black shadow?
22:25<Chutt>maybe
22:25<Chutt>it's hard to see on the wrong kind of background, then
22:25<pheller>true....
22:26<Chutt>i wonder how expensive it'd be to software scale up tiny resolutions like that by double
22:26<Chutt>just double everything
22:26<Chutt>then the osd could be higher res
22:26<jasongrichmond>issac - I need to get urchin fixed - I have a bug report in with them. Then you can have better web analytics ;-)
22:26<Chutt>jason, excellent =)
22:26<Chutt>thanks
22:26<jasongrichmond>yup
22:27<Chutt>pheller, was the preview window in the epg scaled improperly, as well?
22:27<Chutt>in that shot you have on your site
22:28<pheller>yes.
22:28<mdz>scaling is surprisingly expensive
22:28<Chutt>that also should be fixed
22:28<mdz>I guess it eats memory bus bandwidth
22:29<pheller>so, decimation 1 quality 50 hits about ~ 26% cpu between front and backend, but there is some skipping every 2 seconds.
22:29<mdz>Chutt: heh, did you see liscio's mail to the list
22:29<pheller>but it looks a hell of alot better.
22:29<mdz>so he finally crammed in all that stuff built-in on the board and what not, and now there is a problem with the sound :-)
22:29<Chutt>pheller, probably disk stuff
22:30<Chutt>might be network speed, too
22:30<Chutt>come to think of it
22:30<Chutt>mdz, yeah, that was fairly funny =)
22:31<pheller>hmmh, the options menu (when exiting a recording) looks especially bad at this quality level.
22:32<pheller>and the selector box doesn't line up properly with the text
22:32<Chutt>decimation 1?
22:32<Chutt>or 2?
22:32<pheller>2
22:32<Chutt>heh
22:32<Chutt>yeah, there's likely problems there
22:32<Chutt>i do all my testing at 640x480 =)
22:32<pheller>oh nice, scaling looks much better in the epg now
22:33<mdz>could put the OSD in another window over the video window, instead of painting it in
22:33<mdz>sounds hard to get right though
22:33<Chutt>but then you can't do cool stuff with it
22:33<mdz>what sort of cool stuff?
22:33<pheller>transparency
22:33<Chutt>alpha blending into the video
22:33<Chutt>those fun little fades, etc
22:33<mdz>hmm
22:33<pheller>which is definitely a necessity. :-)
22:33<mdz>X doesn't have real alpha channels?
22:34<Chutt>hell no
22:34<mdz>hmm
22:34<Chutt>not between windows
22:34<Chutt>maybe eventually
22:34<mdz>4,000 years of window system evolution, and what do we have...
22:34<Chutt>but not now =)
22:34<_shad>I think 4.2 or cvs has some of that shit now
22:34<Chutt>i doubt it'd work with xv stuff, anyway
22:34<Soopizzle>pheller, are you running a resolution over 640x480?
22:34<Soopizzle>or is your overscan slightly off
22:35<Chutt>his overscan on his tv is slightly off, and he was running with larger fonts than the default when he took those shots
22:35<Soopizzle>oh ok
22:35<Soopizzle>either way, those ss are sweet
22:35<pheller>I'm retaking the pictures now that osd is working...
22:35<mdz>true, that'd be hard to get it to work with xv
22:36<Chutt>pheller, do one of the rip dialog if you don't mind
22:36<Chutt>now that i fixed that =)
22:36<Soopizzle>heheheh
22:36<Soopizzle>narcisist :P
22:36<Chutt>naw
22:37<Chutt>i thought i had fixed all those problems a long time ago
22:37<Chutt>pheller, oh, you need to upgrade to gallery 1.3.3
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22:37<Chutt>pheller, i'd recommend doing it _now_ =)
22:37<Chutt>remote exploit
22:38<Soopizzle>hahah
22:38<Chutt>gallery's cool, i use it myself
22:38<jasongrichmond>bed time... damn flu. catch ya later
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22:44<Soopizzle>pheller, i tihnk you just broke your gallery.php
22:45<pheller>no, I upgraded to 1.3.3 -- try now
22:46<Soopizzle>pheller, is what i am viewing this from mythtv?
22:47<Soopizzle>i mean, is this mythtv, or your webserver that was messing up?
22:47<_shad>Ok. this sucks. I need a faster puter :P
22:47<_shad>Once you've seen 640x480, you can't go to anything lower
22:48<mdz>we need some FAQs about full duplex problems
22:49<mdz>or some kind of reliable full duplex test
22:49<pheller>the webserver is fine, I just upgraded gallery
22:50<pheller>I'll tell ya, I'll trade some pixels for cpu time.
22:54<mdz>programinfo is a confused little guy, I'm not sure what to do with him
22:55<pheller>ok, new photos uploading
22:56<pheller>is the cvs version smart enough to interrupt you when a scheduled recording approaches yet?
22:56<Chutt>nope
22:57<pheller>ahh
23:12<pheller>what are folks using for a solution to automagically bring up mythfrontend once their machine boots?
23:16<mdz>a shell script?
23:19<pheller>well, right, I was just wondering if anyone had some super ingenious kde/gnome solution
23:20<mdz>Chutt: how is this adjusting of times for scheduled recordings supposed to work?
23:21<mdz>it seems to still match up the program with the scheduled recording using the start time
23:22<mdz>so if the start time were adjusted, I'd expect it to no longer find the program
23:22<Chutt>ah, in the program guide?
23:22<Chutt>that's probably true
23:23<Chutt>damn people using my cvs server right when i'm trying to update the screenshots
23:25<Chutt>hmm
23:26<Chutt>could just assign a guid to each program
23:26<mdz>ok, I won't try to fix that then :-)
23:26<Chutt>and use that
23:26<mdz>actually I was thinking about that
23:26<Chutt>that'd make stuff simple everywhere
23:26<mdz>yeah, to simplify some other stuff
23:26<mdz>how would you generate it though?
23:27<Chutt>doesn't mysql have a standard guid generator?
23:28<mdz>dunno
23:33<Chutt>there, all new screenshots
23:33<Chutt>for the most part
23:33<mdz>screenshots of the CVS stuff?
23:33<Chutt>none of the settings stuff
23:34<Chutt>but all the updated UIs
23:34<pheller>you're welcome to use any of my tv shots if you like.
23:34<Chutt>some of the screenshots were very old =)
23:34<mdz>you're a tease
23:34<mdz>showing everyone the pretty stuff they can't have yet :-)
23:34<Chutt>pheller, ok
23:34<Chutt>i'll see
23:35<Chutt>i dunno, there's plenty of screenshots as is
23:35<pheller>it's up to you.
23:37<pheller>mythmusic is the shit.
23:38<Chutt>heh
23:39<pheller>seriously, this project is going to lead to me living an even more sedentary life. :-)
23:39<Chutt>that UI works rather well for a tv app, doesn't it? =)
23:39* _shadcrys at the screenshots
23:39<Chutt>i need to bind buttons for the different actions
23:39<pheller>yeah, it really does. I gots to get ir up next. maybe I'll work on that this weekend.
23:40<pheller>have you thought about reverting the pause and backfill display to how it used to look?
23:41<Chutt>which pause and backfill display?
23:41<pheller>http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/osdpause.jpg
23:41<pheller>that one
23:41<Chutt>those themes are all still available
23:42<pheller><insert foot into mouth>
23:42<Chutt>that's 'oldosd'
23:42<Chutt>the black one is 'defaultosd'
23:43<Chutt>you can always mix and match between em, too, those themes are really simplistic things
23:43<pheller>sure
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