| 00:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | just rounds it to the nearest multiple of 5 |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | i would write it (mins / 5) * 5, but, same thing |
| 00:01 | <mdz> | mins %= 5 should do the same thing |
| 00:01 | <mdz> | er |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | mins -= mins % 5; |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | i believe, if you'd want to do it that way |
| 00:02 | <mdz> | yeah, no clearer though |
| 00:02 | <TheAsp> | i'd say it's clearer |
| 00:02 | <TheAsp> | *shruG* |
| 00:02 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | i tend not to use mod at all |
| 00:04 | <mdz> | speaking of the epg, the channel order setting needs some real labels |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:04 | <mdz> | I meant to go back and fix that |
| 00:04 | <mdz> | what would good labels be? |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | also need to go through and decide what should be host specific settings and what should be global |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | is the themesetup.* in the frontend used anymore? |
| 00:05 | <mdz> | "channel number (numeric)" "channel number (alphabetic)" "channel id(?)", "channel name" |
| 00:05 | <mdz> | no |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | channel id would be database order |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | for those silly people that have like 6 channels and want them all in a particular order |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | ie, all of europe |
| 00:08 | <mdz> | I kinda meant to make the theme selector act like themesetup and reload the theme |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | i want to rewrite the theme selector |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | i don't like it =) |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | yeah, you said you would rather it have a single image that changed |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | sounds easier than how it is now :-) |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | should be much easier |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | testing that stupid transition stuff took forever |
| 00:10 | <mdz> | feel free to trash mythimageselector; I don't really foresee using it for anything else |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | i need to get bruce markey setup with cvs access |
| 00:11 | <mdz> | yes |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | fixing that playback bug must've been a bitch |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | since it could only've been done with a _lot_ of debugging output |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | and it only happened to me every half hour or so |
| 00:11 | <TheAsp> | which playback bug? |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | the frontend could segfault on remote playback |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | just randomly |
| 00:11 | <TheAsp> | sounds familar |
| 00:11 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 00:12 | <TheAsp> | oh, remote |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | from the setup he said he was building, he should have sufficient motivation to do lots of debugging of the remote stuff |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | mdz, doesn't g++ complain about no defaults in switches? |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | not if you handle all the values |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | it's nice to get a warning if you forget one |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | which is why I like to use switches for enums |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | makes sense |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | I was thinking about making the infodialog a special case of the scheduledrecording dialog |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | it would look and act the same, but let it share code |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | sure, long as it works the same =) |
| 00:17 | <mdz> | if the up/down vs. left/right navigation decision had gone the other way, those two could be the same dialog :-) |
| 00:17 | <mdz> | but moving left/right to move a cursor up/down sucks |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | that wouldn't make sense |
| 00:17 | <mdz> | was also thinking about having a shortcut key to switch modes |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | so you would select something in the epg, get the usual dialog, and be able to press a key and change the profile and what not |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | that'd be neat |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | with a slightly different dialog |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | could just use the same key as 'edit' |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | yeah, a key I actually have on my remote |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | I still need to find someplace to put 'm' |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:19 | * bigguy | is [away -={ bed time }=- ] |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | so my p3-550 uses a little over 50% cpu to playback 640x480 mpeg4 |
| 00:19 | <mdz> | that seems high |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | i think it's the deinterlacing |
| 00:20 | <mdz> | my box uses somewhere around 5% I think, with deinterlacing |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | the frontend doesn't generally break 1% on my xp |
| 00:21 | <mdz> | yeah, it fluctuates some |
| 00:21 | <mdz> | and it's significantly higher in a debug build |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | heh, yeah |
| 00:22 | <mdz> | I'll have to try me some of these 3.2 optimizations |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | the bad part is that libavcodec already has bunches of hand written mmx |
| 00:22 | <mdz> | does debug have any effect on the libavcodec build? |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | and it can't reoptimize that |
| 00:23 | <mdz> | it probably couldn't do any better anyway |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | that's the point, after all =) |
| 00:23 | <mdz> | does debug in settings.pro have any effect on the libavcodec build at all? |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | i think it does, yes |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | yeah, turns on -g and doesn't use the optflags that are in config.mak |
| 00:24 | <mdz> | it doesn't look like it to me, but I dunno |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | or whatever |
| 00:24 | <mdz> | ah |
| 00:24 | <mdz> | how does that get passed down? |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | passed down where? |
| 00:24 | <mdz> | oh, you did a qmake thing for libavcodec |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | settings.pro? |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | someone listed mythtv on apps.kde.com |
| 00:27 | <mdz> | jan 6 |
| 00:27 | <mdz> | heh, it got nice votes |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | yeah, but i'm just now getting all the referrers out of the weblog =) |
| 00:28 | <mdz> | is jasongrichmond going to put up static pages with stats for previous months or anything like that? |
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| 00:28 | <Chutt> | the stats software is something he pays for |
| 00:29 | <mdz> | whoa, there RPMs for 3 distros on there |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | he says he's leery of its security setup, so i have to ssh in and port forward |
| 00:29 | <mdz> | yeah, which is why I asked about the static pages...sucks that's the only access to the stats |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | i'm thinkin of asking him if i can just run webalizer |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | these are good stats, though |
| 00:30 | <mdz> | you said you had access to the raw logs anyhow |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | much nicer layout than webalizer =) |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:31 | <mdz> | oh yuck, the suse rpm at least installs into /opt/kde3 |
| 00:32 | <bigguy> | suse puts alot of stuff in /opt |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | came back to see how my apt-get upgrade was going |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | going to bed now |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | g'nite, then |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | hum |
| 00:34 | <mdz> | C++ objects are so huge |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | blame g++ |
| 00:34 | <mdz> | my myth working dir is 100M |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | we've got some code at work, it's a c++ library |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | the linux compile is 10x larger than the windows compile |
| 00:36 | <mdz> | even with both stripped? |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:36 | <mdz> | the symbol table is enormous |
| 00:36 | <mdz> | like >3x text+data |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | windows lib is like 40k, the linux lib is almost 500k |
| 00:37 | <mdz> | heh, there is a -fhuge-objects flag |
| 00:37 | <mdz> | perhaps that is the default |
| 00:38 | <mdz> | is the actual code size larger in your library? |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | never really looked into it |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | beyond going 'wow, that's quite a difference' |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | for some reason, bringing up dhcp with ifup on my myth box breaks the NFS mount for root |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | it's really annoying to try to debug because it produces a ton of repeated error messages which scroll off any useful information |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | especially without a keyboard |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | but it's annoying because the lease acquired by the kernel eventually expires and the machine gets removed from dynamic DNS |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | all my boxes here just get assigned static ips from the dhcp box |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | got one of them little router/access point dealies |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | I do some of each, but I use dynamic dns for all of them |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | one less thing to worry about when I plug in a new box or a temporary box |
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| 01:05 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | tvlistings.zap2it.com doesn't have the 'all programs end at 12:00' problem |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | tvlistings2.zap2it.com does |
| 01:15 | <mdz> | I wonder if they look at their access logs |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | 'course they do |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | i imagine they'll eventually make it difficult to grab their data |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | i should eventually reconnect to irc.freenode.net |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | stupid lilo |
| 01:19 | <mdz> | if they're smart, rather than making it difficult to grab, they'll sell xmltv feeds |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | lower bandwidth for them |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | they get _some_ cash outta it |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | so, yeah, that'd make a little sense |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | i don't see many mythtv users paying for it, though =) |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | there's 511 people on the mailing list now |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | only 99 people on the commits list, though |
| 01:25 | <mdz> | that's not a bad ratio really |
| 01:25 | <mdz> | 20% |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | no, it's really good =) |
| 01:25 | <mdz> | probably gets higher the longer between releases |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | it jumped a lot when i was yelling at people for not reading the commits mails |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/12/5/213314/595 |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | remember that guy? =) |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | you had the scheduler using QSqlDatabase::database() |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | bad =) |
| 02:19 | <Chutt> | someone better fix mythweb soonish |
| 02:19 | <Chutt> | else i'm going to have to look at it |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | and that'll be, well, ugly. |
| 02:24 | <lichen_> | hahah ill probably do some work on it tomorrow.. its 2:30am at the moment.. so sleep is sounding pretty good, but im sure ill be bored tomorrow mostof the day :) |
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| 06:04 | <Soopizzle> | will myth work on smp machines? |
| 06:05 | <Edgan> | Soopizzle: It is an application, not the kernel. So very likely. |
| 06:06 | <Soopizzle> | will it actually utilize it though |
| 06:06 | <Edgan> | Don't know |
| 06:07 | <Edgan> | since mythtv doesn't do pure number crunching, you probably wouldn't be helped much smp anyway |
| 06:08 | <Edgan> | the processors would be fighting over memory and hard drive |
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| 08:49 | <poptix> | i really need to find some specifications on the Guide+ stuff |
| 08:49 | <poptix> | it might be better to use that, rather than xmltv in some situations |
| 08:50 | <poptix> | we could even grab the channel logos off it, iirc |
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| 11:40 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 11:41 | <bigguy> | some people will never learn how to listen to what they are told |
| 11:41 | <bigguy> | that kuro5hin poster is a prime example |
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| 12:08 | <_shad> | Gah |
| 12:08 | <_shad> | I'm dumb |
| 12:10 | <bigguy> | you didn't have to tell me that |
| 12:10 | * bigguy | is j/k |
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| 12:16 | <m0tion> | what are the .pro files in the mythtv source? |
| 12:21 | <bigguy> | Qt Designer Porject files I would think |
| 12:21 | <m0tion> | would there be any problem with implementing a mythtv add-on module written in perl? |
| 12:22 | <TheAsp> | Chutt: what part of the code gets done once a second while recording? |
| 12:22 | <TheAsp> | my raid is driving me NUTS :P |
| 12:26 | <bigguy> | its recording to the raid? |
| 12:27 | <TheAsp> | no |
| 12:27 | <TheAsp> | but the db is on the raid |
| 12:27 | <TheAsp> | but the select it does every second isnt what is causing it |
| 12:28 | <TheAsp> | err and, not but |
| 12:28 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 12:28 | <bigguy> | weird |
| 12:28 | <TheAsp> | and i had turned off logging so it wasnt that :) |
| 12:29 | <mdz> | Chutt: hah, that guy is a riot |
| 12:29 | <mdz> | seems that the qt-dev files need to be installed although IRC people denied it |
| 12:32 | <TheAsp> | mdz: does mythbackend drop/reopen connections every second? |
| 12:33 | <mdz> | nope |
| 12:33 | <mdz> | well, it isn't supposed to |
| 12:34 | <TheAsp> | do you know what method is doing this: |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | and it doesn't for me |
| 12:34 | <TheAsp> | SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = "RecordChanged" |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | that's the scheduler, and it should be using one connection to do that all the time |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | Chutt fixed a problem there last night; try the latest CVS |
| 12:35 | <TheAsp> | longstanding problem? |
| 12:35 | <TheAsp> | pre 0.7? |
| 12:36 | <TheAsp> | oh, duh, the "'s were escaped, no wonder i couldnt find it |
| 12:38 | <mdz> | no, this was a post-0.7 problem |
| 12:39 | <mdz> | are you sure you are not just seeing it make that query every second, without opening a new connection? because that is the normal behaviour |
| 12:39 | <TheAsp> | it's the grinding on / that im trying to narrow down |
| 12:39 | <TheAsp> | just taking wild guesses at this point |
| 12:40 | <TheAsp> | running the queries by hand doesnt cause it |
| 12:41 | <TheAsp> | i should have got quieter drives instead of cooler drives... |
| 12:42 | <bigguy> | TheAsp: what drives are they? |
| 12:43 | <bigguy> | oh well nm |
| 12:43 | <bigguy> | I gotta jet |
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| 12:47 | <m0tion> | hmm, I've got a program written in perl/gtk+ that i want to use with mythtv. I was thinking the best way to do it would be to rewrite the GUI in perl to work with mythtv ... is this reasonable? |
| 12:49 | <TheAsp> | m0tion: i beleive the frontend just runs commands to do the extra stuff |
| 12:49 | <m0tion> | oh, i mean it's own front-end, similar to mythmusic |
| 12:50 | <TheAsp> | well if it just runs commands you could use any widget set... |
| 12:50 | <TheAsp> | if you want to use the myth widgets, you'd have to use libmyth and friends |
| 12:51 | <m0tion> | which are C++ correct? |
| 12:51 | <mdz> | TheAsp: the grinding is your mysql query log, writing out the fact that myth performed that SELECT query every second. turn it off if you don't like it |
| 12:51 | <TheAsp> | i turned it off mdz . . . |
| 12:51 | <TheAsp> | no diff |
| 12:51 | <TheAsp> | it's not that |
| 12:52 | <mdz> | well it's not dropping and reopening the connection every second, I don't know why you would assume that |
| 12:52 | <TheAsp> | m0tion: which are c++ and qt |
| 12:52 | <TheAsp> | i didnt assume, i asked :) |
| 12:52 | <TheAsp> | i didnt really think it would. :) |
| 12:54 | <TheAsp> | writing to the logs shouldnt synch anyway |
| 12:55 | <TheAsp> | which is what it sounds like it's doing |
| 12:55 | <mdz> | if you want to find out where the disk I/O is coming from, shut everything down |
| 12:55 | <mdz> | then start things up one at a time until it comes back |
| 12:56 | <TheAsp> | mdz, it only does it while myth is recording... so it's either myth or mysql or something else related to myth |
| 12:56 | <TheAsp> | actually |
| 12:56 | <mdz> | ack, while myth is recording it's writing the recorded video to disk |
| 12:56 | <TheAsp> | it's not mysql related as it does it while mysql is down too |
| 12:56 | <mdz> | of course |
| 12:56 | <TheAsp> | mdz: the video is on another disk . |
| 12:56 | <mdz> | are you sure? |
| 12:56 | <TheAsp> | very. |
| 12:57 | <mdz> | and you are sure it only happens when it is recording? |
| 12:57 | <TheAsp> | yes |
| 12:58 | <mdz> | are you redirecting myth's stdout to a file? is it writing messages there? |
| 12:58 | <mdz> | what about the X server log? |
| 12:58 | <mdz> | syslog? |
| 12:58 | <TheAsp> | sometimes I am, sometimes not |
| 12:58 | <TheAsp> | not syslog |
| 12:58 | <mdz> | you shut down syslog? |
| 12:59 | <TheAsp> | yes |
| 12:59 | <TheAsp> | if it was something like that it wouldnt read/write to the disk regularlly |
| 12:59 | <mdz> | sure it would |
| 13:00 | <mdz> | every sync |
| 13:00 | <TheAsp> | thats what buffers are for |
| 13:00 | <mdz> | yes, and they are synched to disk regularly |
| 13:00 | <TheAsp> | i ment every second |
| 13:00 | <TheAsp> | it's still doing the select while not recording, so it's not that |
| 13:01 | <TheAsp> | nothing in the scheduler looks suspicious |
| 13:01 | <mdz> | strace it |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | but I doubt you'll find that myth is the source |
| 13:02 | <TheAsp> | backend? |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | the backend is all that is running when you're recording, right? |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | if you want to narrow it down, you have to shut down everything else |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | it could be anything |
| 13:02 | <TheAsp> | *nod*, but it launches a bunch of threads, not sure how well strace is going to help there... lsof doesn't show any files open for writing |
| 13:02 | <TheAsp> | unless they are being open/closed |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | buffers will be flushed more often when myth is recording because it's doing a lot of I/O |
| 13:03 | <mdz> | opening a file for writing is not the only cause for writing to disk |
| 13:03 | <TheAsp> | i realize that |
| 13:03 | <mdz> | anything which opens a file for reading on a read-write mounted filesystem will cause a write |
| 13:05 | <mdz> | shut down every daemon on your system except mysql and mythbackend |
| 13:05 | <mdz> | then you can probably shut down mysql once recording starts, just to test |
| 13:05 | <TheAsp> | not much is running to begin with mdz . . . |
| 13:09 | <mdz> | not much != nothing |
| 13:09 | <mdz> | I'm serious, shut everything down and make sure that it's really myth before you dig any more |
| 13:10 | <mdz> | the only files the backend should be working with at that time are the recording itself, the v4l device and the audio device |
| 13:10 | <TheAsp> | *nod* |
| 13:11 | <TheAsp> | strace showed nothing btw |
| 13:11 | <mdz> | as expected :-) |
| 13:12 | <TheAsp> | grr.. bind9 doesnt stop properly |
| 13:13 | <mdz> | it does for me |
| 13:13 | <mdz> | could it be paging activity? do you have plenty of memory? |
| 13:13 | <TheAsp> | i have tons of memory |
| 13:13 | <TheAsp> | 3 mb of swap used |
| 13:14 | <mdz> | do you know which filesystem it's writing to? is there more than one on the disk |
| 13:15 | <mdz> | I'd go ahead and swapoff to eliminate that possibility |
| 13:15 | <TheAsp> | only one fs on the raid, / |
| 13:15 | <TheAsp> | /data is where it's writing |
| 13:15 | <mdz> | remount / read-only then, and see if it stops |
| 13:15 | <mdz> | you're sure it's write activity, and not read? |
| 13:16 | <TheAsp> | no, not sure it's writes |
| 13:16 | <TheAsp> | it could be anything large enough to not be in cache |
| 13:17 | <mdz> | you could try mounting noatime too |
| 13:17 | <mdz> | to see if it's something being opened |
| 13:17 | <TheAsp> | *nod* |
| 13:17 | <mdz> | but if only mythbackend is running, that's pretty unlikely |
| 13:18 | <TheAsp> | reiser doesn't record atimes if i remember right |
| 13:19 | <mdz> | mounting it read-only should eliminate both possibilities |
| 13:19 | <mdz> | and a lot of others |
| 13:20 | <TheAsp> | all stoped, still doing it |
| 13:20 | <TheAsp> | *nod* |
| 13:20 | <TheAsp> | brb, going to single user mode |
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| 13:32 | <TheAsp> | can't start X on a ro fs |
| 13:32 | <TheAsp> | can't start mythbackend without X |
| 13:33 | <TheAsp> | anyway, alsa is confused, gonna reboot |
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| 14:09 | <Soopizzle> | fraqing swweet |
| 14:17 | <paperclip> | oh? |
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| 14:51 | <Soopizzle> | is there a way to webbrowse the myth cvs ? |
| 15:01 | <mdz> | Soopizzle: www.mythtv.org |
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| 15:19 | <DigDug_> | Is there anything special I need to do to get mythtv to compile with g++ 3.2? Mythepg can't seem to find many Qt functions. |
| 15:19 | <DigDug_> | even though its linking to -lqt-mt |
| 15:19 | <mdz> | you need to have a working qt development environment |
| 15:19 | <mdz> | among other things, your qt must be built with the same g++ that you are using to build mythtv |
| 15:20 | <DigDug_> | Ahh, ok. |
| 15:20 | <DigDug_> | Thats it. |
| 15:20 | <DigDug_> | I've been using gcc 2.94. That works. |
| 15:20 | <mdz> | then use that :-) |
| 15:21 | <DigDug_> | Well, i wanted to see if I could get better optimizations with 3.2 using -march=pentium4 |
| 15:22 | <DigDug_> | Mythtv seems to take up more and more CPU. 0.7 was pretty good. Only like 20% CPU, a month ago, CVS was using 50%. Now its using 70%. (640x480, mpeg4) |
| 15:22 | <DigDug_> | I can get it down to 50% if i go 480x480 |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | er |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | it uses less cpu now |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | quite a bit less |
| 15:23 | <DigDug_> | Odd. |
| 15:24 | <mdz> | DigDug_: mythtv uses very little CPU |
| 15:24 | <mdz> | itself |
| 15:24 | <mdz> | almost all of the processing is done by libavcodec |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | and that hasn't changed |
| 15:24 | <DigDug_> | Well, i meant mythtv as a whole. |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | right |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | the biggest use of cpu, though, hasn't changed at all |
| 15:25 | <mdz> | and also won't be affected much by C compiler optimizations |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | the playback engine was optimized post-0.7, too |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | which is why it uses quite a bit less cpu now |
| 15:25 | <mdz> | CVS should definitely use noticeably less than 0.7 |
| 15:25 | <mdz> | if it isn't, then something is wrong |
| 15:26 | <mdz> | with your mythtv build/system/hardware, not with mythtv |
| 15:27 | <DigDug_> | Of course :) |
| 15:28 | <DigDug_> | For fun, i'm installing the deb again to see. |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | make sure you're not using a debug build, for instance |
| 15:30 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, any luck in bribing you for some new debian packages? |
| 15:32 | <mdz> | Soopizzle: 0.8 |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | which is getting closer, now |
| 15:33 | <Soopizzle> | ok |
| 15:33 | <mdz> | there isn't much point in packaging a snapshot for distribution, since I'm not going to get into keeping it updated |
| 15:33 | <Soopizzle> | another quick question, is libmysql the same as just mysql? |
| 15:33 | <mdz> | people will just run into bugs which have been fixed in CVS, and will want to update anyway |
| 15:36 | <Soopizzle> | man, need for speed HP2 is fun as hell with a racing wheel |
| 15:37 | <mdz> | Chutt: do you have any specific 0.8 todos left? I don't have anything left which can't wait until the next release |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | finish up the remote stuff |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | and multiple encoder boxes |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | per-host settings |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | other than that... |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | no, i don't think so |
| 15:38 | <mdz> | which things need to be per-host to start? |
| 15:38 | <mdz> | maybe I can work on that |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:38 | <Chutt> | mostly the frontend stuff |
| 15:38 | <mdz> | I'd kinda like to restructure the settings stuff before doing that though |
| 15:41 | <DigDug_> | I noticed that the "setup" program wasn't obeying Xinerama sizing or placement. |
| 15:42 | <mdz> | it's really pretty silly to run mythtv with xinerama |
| 15:43 | <DigDug_> | It the only option I have. |
| 15:43 | <DigDug_> | The nvidia drivers are not working in true dual head mode. All i have is Twinview |
| 15:43 | <lichen_> | yeah i just used xinerama to clone the screen.. not like it does any good though cause i cant do xv on the second screen |
| 15:44 | <DigDug_> | If you are cloning, you are not using xinerama. |
| 15:45 | <lichen_> | yeah to clone the scren you still use Option "Xinerama" |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | if I were in that situation, I would work on fixing that bug rather than trying to make mythtv work with xinerama |
| 15:45 | <mdz> | but then, I don't use binary-only drivers either |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | i use em! =) |
| 15:46 | <lichen_> | well for one i know relatively nothing about video and programming its drivers... ive read up a lot on how to accomplish what i want to do on the second head, and currently i dont beleive its possible |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | i bought a usb cable that's too short |
| 15:46 | <DigDug_> | lichen: what do you want to do? |
| 15:47 | <lichen_> | i have a matrox g400 and i want to use the second head for tv out.. which i am currently doing, i can get all the myth menus and everything, but no video becausei t doesn't do xv on the second head |
| 15:47 | <lichen_> | at least not while doing tv out |
| 15:49 | <DigDug_> | The setup is also a little wierd. xmltv pulls down all kinds of wierd channels using CVS. Like 900! I'm using analog cable. There aren't that many channels. But running mythfilldatabase from 0.7 works fine. |
| 15:51 | <mdz> | CVS works fine for me |
| 16:00 | <mdz> | Chutt: did you look at using QDataStream for the myth serialization stuff? |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | a little bit |
| 16:01 | <mdz> | I just noticed it |
| 16:01 | <mdz> | it looks like it will do a qvaluelist out of the box |
| 16:02 | <Chutt> | oh, i didn't use it because i wanted all the data written to the device at once |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | wow, rtjpeg is way more CPU intensive to playback |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | I watched a couple of things that accidentally got recorded in rtjpeg when I screwed up the profile loading |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | used about 25% CPU |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | compared to 5% |
| 16:04 | <Chutt> | no direct rendering =) |
| 16:12 | <Soopizzle> | i've never understood |
| 16:12 | <Soopizzle> | all the differences between framebuffer |
| 16:12 | <Soopizzle> | DRI |
| 16:12 | <Soopizzle> | regular X |
| 16:12 | <Soopizzle> | and all the other derivatives |
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| 20:47 | <mdz> | just got a segfault in NuppelVideoPlayer::CloseAVCodec |
| 20:47 | <mdz> | inside libavcodec, a bad free() apparently |
| 20:47 | <mdz> | Chutt: ever seen this before? |
| 20:51 | <mdz> | who knows, this box is getting unreliable |
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| 21:47 | <Chutt> | mdz, which free? |
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| 22:11 | <mdz> | Chutt: mailed you a stack trace |
| 22:14 | <Chutt> | never seen that before |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | the pointer looks ok |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | reproducible? |
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| 22:49 | <Soopizzle> | *sigh* |
| 22:49 | <Soopizzle> | my kingdom for a linux distribution that works with the nforce platform |
| 22:54 | <Chutt> | i guess i can't be running linux on my nforce board |
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| 23:05 | <Soopizzle> | Chutt, you got a nix dist. going on your nforce board? |
| 23:06 | <bigguy> | Soopizzle: he uses debian |
| 23:06 | <Soopizzle> | yeah, but is he using an nforce board? |
| 23:06 | <bigguy> | yes |
| 23:07 | <bigguy> | same one as I have |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | chut |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | big |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | HOW |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | please tell me how.... |
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| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | something keeps fucking up |
| 23:07 | <bigguy> | Abit Nv7-133R |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | Asus NV7M |
| 23:07 | <Soopizzle> | does your have soundstorm, and the builtin nic? |
| 23:07 | <bigguy> | yeah |
| 23:08 | <Soopizzle> | any suggestions |
| 23:08 | <bigguy> | but I don't have linux installed on it |
| 23:08 | <Soopizzle> | ... |
| 23:08 | <bigguy> | I am not big on proprietary drivers in linux |
| 23:08 | <Soopizzle> | Chutt, please if you could send some suggestions my way, i would greatly appreciate it |
| 23:08 | <Soopizzle> | nor am i |
| 23:08 | <Soopizzle> | but i don't care either |
| 23:09 | <Soopizzle> | i just want stuff to work |
| 23:09 | <bigguy> | but nvidia does have nforce drivers for linux |
| 23:09 | <bigguy> | and you can use alsa for the audio |
| 23:12 | <Soopizzle> | hmm.. ok, i guess i'll try to re-install 3.0r1 and see what i screwed up on |
| 23:13 | <bigguy> | umm |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | the nic is just a standard i810 |
| 23:13 | <Soopizzle> | Chutt, and the sound? |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | i meant sound |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | not the nic |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | drivers for the nic are on nvidia's website |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | it's not difficult. |
| 23:14 | <Soopizzle> | ok, what about the nic and the usb (and even agpgart so i can use my agp radeon) |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | usb's standard |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | agp's standard. |
| 23:14 | <Soopizzle> | do you get strange driver warnings/errors? |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 23:15 | <Soopizzle> | like for usb it can't find/resolve the 3rd root header |
| 23:16 | <bigguy> | Chutt: hows support for the spdif and 5.1 via the 3mm stereo plugs with alsa? |
| 23:16 | <bigguy> | I don't have spdif stuff anyway but just wondering |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | i dunno, i just use the main l/r out |
| 23:16 | <mdz> | hello I have never used a computer before in my life, please explain to me how to buy a computer and put mythtv on it and use a remote control ok thx |
| 23:16 | <bigguy> | ah |
| 23:16 | <mdz> | also it must not cost too much money |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | mdz, i want to just tell him to buy a tivo |
| 23:17 | <billytwowilly> | mdz: heh. that's amusing. |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | I refuse to respond since his clock is a month off |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | i'd have to find the email again |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | it's obviously a ploy to get his message nearer the top of my mailbox |
| 23:19 | <Soopizzle> | heh |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | oh no |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | lego andy is back |
| 23:19 | <Chutt> | and he wants to contribute a feature that already exists |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | yes |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | twice |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | to make sure it had the right subject line |
| 23:20 | <Soopizzle> | wow, this makes me sick, watching the falcons piss the game away |
| 23:20 | <Soopizzle> | vick can only do soo much |
| 23:20 | <Soopizzle> | and he's done almost everything (except for kick the point afters) |
| 23:23 | <mdz> | what kind of brokenness is causing so many people to be missing the .so symlink? |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | "hi, i want mythtv, but i don't want to use the scheduler" |
| 23:28 | <mdz> | mind if I add a line of output with the date to mythfilldatabase? |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | it says it every channel |
| 23:29 | <mdz> | I asked the xmltv guys to add a --quiet so it doesn't :-) |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 23:29 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 23:32 | <mdz> | actually I asked them to separate the status output from any error output |
| 23:32 | <mdz> | but instead they gave an option to suppress the status output :-P |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | and they just supressed it all? |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | I want to get mail from cron if it fails |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | basically |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | with the error message(s) |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | and get nothing if it doesn't fail |
| 23:34 | <mdz> | but have a logfile with the status output regardless |
| 23:34 | <Chutt> | people that subscribe with one email address and have that address forward to another place |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | and then have the gall to _bounce_ emails from their other address |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | suck. |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | heh |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | "nice job and all, but not enough comments" |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | bad way to start an email to mythtv-dev |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | where's that? |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | the guy that doesn't want to use .nuv? |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | yeah |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | and then the usual whining about nun |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | nuv |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | and then, of course, a request for help |
| 23:36 | <Chutt> | would 'Yes mommy, I'll try to be better about commenting my code in the future' be an appropriate response? |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | 'I looked at some of the filenames in the source, so I think I understand how it works pretty well' |
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| 23:38 | <mdz> | I really don't see which part of mythtv that guy actually wants |
| 23:38 | <mdz> | sounds like he wants cron |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | you can't do stuff with cron |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | or a exec'd task |
| 23:39 | <Chutt> | unless you want to get all messy and start killing processes and crap |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | that's just.. hackish, though |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | do stuff? |
| 23:40 | <Chutt> | recording |
| 23:40 | <mdz> | it sounds like he just wants to record stuff at whatever times and then have files that he can watch with whatever player program |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | right |
| 23:41 | <mdz> | cron sounds sufficient for that |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | for that, yeah |
| 23:41 | <mdz> | oh, he wants the multiple card support |
| 23:41 | <mdz> | and the EPG |
| 23:42 | <mdz> | if someone can't be bothered to read the HOWTO, the mailing list archives, or any of the other 50 places that have the CVS info... |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | they shouldn't be using cvs? =) |
| 23:43 | <mdz> | I need to stop reading this stuff |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | maybe i really should make a -users list |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | but i'd be too tempted not to subscribe |
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| 23:44 | <mdz> | that sounds fine |
| 23:44 | <mdz> | there seem to be enough people willing to answer newbie questions |
| 23:47 | <Chutt> | like the guy that just responded to the 'i've never used linux' question? |
| 23:48 | <mdz> | yep |
| 23:48 | <mdz> | and the two pepole who answered the CVS guy |
| 23:49 | <Chutt> | "i've *just* gotten 0.7 working, how do i get CVS??!?" |
| 23:51 | <mdz> | too much hype about new features in CVS on the website :-) |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | yeah, well, that's cuz it's all damn cool |
| 23:52 | <mdz> | true |
| 23:56 | <mdz> | heh, "I'd recommend this Shuttle system to use when building a box...btw has anyone ever done that and does it work?" |