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00:48<PeteCool>mkreiserfs says to check the hardware for bad blocks... I remember doing that in the debian install, but it was gui-based
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09:56<rkulagow>moegreen == john danner/mythweather, correct?
09:59<poptix>guh
09:59<poptix>is mythepg segfaulting for anyone else?
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10:04<poptix>hmm!
10:04<poptix>;laksdjf
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10:09<rkulagow>morning. chutt, are you here?
10:48<moegreen>poptix: are you using the standard epg? If so, make sure you have a recent CVS checkout
10:53<rkulagow>moegreen: did you see the patch about CVS mythweather not compiling? had the same issue...
10:55<moegreen>rkulagow: Yeah, I modified the source, and didn't get a chance to make sure it worked...until just now. I'll commit the changes to CVS shortly
10:55<rkulagow>ok, no prob. thanks.
10:57<moegreen>rkulagow: it's in there
10:57<moegreen>let me know if you have any other problems
11:11<rkulagow>ok, let me check if it compiles...
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11:19<PeteCool>moegreen: is it wanted that MostlySunny, SnowShowers and LightSnow are in one word in the extended forecast? looks weird
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11:21<PeteCool>moegreen: what font are you using for your screenshots?
11:21<Chutt>there, all caught up with my email
11:22<Chutt>rkulagow, i did reply to you this time, too =)
11:27<PeteCool>how would I set qt to use AA on the fonts without installing kde and it's control center?
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11:33<rkulagow>chutt: thanks.
11:34<Chutt>petecool, run qtconfig
11:34<rkulagow>chutt: we've got a "halt" command option, but doesn't that require that the user be running as root?
11:37<Chutt>something like that
11:37<Chutt>it's changing, though
11:37<rkulagow>ok.
11:40<Chutt>yay
11:40<Chutt>thor's back
11:40<Chutt>mythweb won't languish anymore =)
11:54<lichen>oh dear ive been outmoded :)
11:54<Chutt>naw
11:54<lichen>i guess its just as well though... this new semester has kept me busy :(
11:54<Chutt>lichen, can you still look over those changes and commit stuff?
11:55<lichen>yeah, there was a couple bugfixes i needed to do before i did it, but yeah i think so, not sure how much time i'll have with the weekend here, but i'll try.. plus some other guy just last night i think posted a whole bunch of new code for the new database tables as well
11:55<lichen>i guess he didnt' see that other guys patch... maybe he will have better code or osmething
11:56<Chutt>the first guy's stuff looked fairly good
11:57<lichen>yeah i didn't have any real problems with it... but i'll see what i can do, hopefully if work is slow today ill get something in
12:02<nevertheless>Chutt: did you already look over my stuff?
12:03<PeteCool>seems like the hard drive needs to be master to show its real speed on an intel i815... I just spent many hours copying my stuff from one hd to the other, when all I needed was put the buffer disk on another channel to more than double its speed
12:05<bewmIES>did you have two drives on the same channel?
12:05<PeteCool>since I started playing with mythtv, I hit one stupid bug after the other... it never stops
12:05<paperclip>PeteCool: ide stinks with two drives per channel
12:05<bewmIES>If so then that's why it sucked, only one can talk at a time :)
12:05<PeteCool>bewmIES: yep
12:06<PeteCool>bewmIES: I know, but the other drive wasn't accessed at all while the buffer was accessed... anyways, too late now
12:13<PeteCool>at least now I'll be abe to have a 30mb/s drive... I hope that's enough for 480x480, I'm not gonna build a scsi-320 raid array just for a ringbuffer ;)
12:15<Chutt>nevertheless, i haven't had time, really
12:16<nevertheless>Chutt: ok
12:17<nevertheless>I know you're much in demand :-)
12:19<paperclip>PeteCool: what sort of cpu are you using?
12:20<poptix>Chutt: did you change something in mythepg in the past day or two?
12:20<poptix>Chutt: it's segfaulting in an odd place when EPGType=1
12:20<m0tion>Chutt: do you have any plans to make this into a marketable product?
12:21<poptix>m0tion: yes, so he can charge for all the dumb questions =)
12:22<m0tion>poptix: sorry you feel my question is dumb, i don't think it is
12:22<poptix>m0tion: i was talking about other peoples questions
12:23<m0tion>oh
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12:25<PeteCool>paperclip: I'm using a celeron/p3 1100A (256k-l2-cache/100mhz fsb) on an intel i815, 512 megs of ram pc100
12:25<paperclip>ahh
12:26<PeteCool>paperclip: should be way more than fast enough, IMO
12:26<PeteCool>but it wasnt
12:27<paperclip>for what?
12:27<paperclip>480x480 should be nice, eh?
12:28<PeteCool>it might work... I only need to copy back my / from the 30mb/s hd to the 18mb/s hd
12:29<PeteCool>18mb/s is too slow
12:30<nevertheless>rkulagow: around?
12:42<rkulagow>yes
12:43<nevertheless>ah, ok, though the 'halt' thingy is changing, there is no way around either makeing halt suid or stuff ?!
12:43<nevertheless>s/though/even though/
12:43<rkulagow>i was thinking about that.
12:44<nevertheless>im currently running this using suid for /sbin/halt
12:45<nevertheless>any idea for that? it is not re'done yet, so I can work things around, probably
12:45<nevertheless>I need to see, what chutt thinks about the general new implementation, then i can do the rest
12:46<nevertheless>but if you're running a dedicated server and client machine, this shouldn't be a prob, should it?
12:49<rkulagow>are you going to halt the frontend and the backend at the same time?
12:50<nevertheless>nope, the backend shutsdown the machine, if (no client connected, no recording starts in the next say 30 minuts) for example
12:50<nevertheless>the frontend shuts down if the user requests so and if clienthost != serverhost
12:51<nevertheless>and the backend waits for an idle-timeout
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13:27<livitup>anyone awake in here?
13:27<PeteCool>I'm only partly awake
13:28<livitup>hehe
13:28<livitup>zzz
13:31<livitup>i'm trying to get rid of horrile audio hiss
13:33<PeteCool>try reducing the volumes a little in alsamixer
13:33<PeteCool>100% is too high, aim for 80%
13:34<livitup>been there done that
13:34<PeteCool>what model is your sound card?
13:34<livitup>sb live
13:34<PeteCool>what version of lame are you using?
13:35<rkulagow>chutt: have you thought about extending the .nuv header and including show information in there? the perl script to rebuild the database that was posted to the mailing list works, but it requires you to enter the show title and other stuff manually. if it were in the file itself, then rebuilding the database is easier, because you've got the information available in the media file.
13:35<livitup>it's odd too
13:35<livitup>just in myth
13:35<PhazE3>what are your myth record/playback settings at
13:35<PeteCool>lame 3.93 is bugged, use 3.92 or 3.93.1
13:35<PeteCool>increase sound recording quality
13:35<livitup>LAME version 3.92
13:36<PhazE3>i had whine untill I switched 48000/48000 mp3 compression at 5
13:36<livitup>int DontCompressAudio=1
13:36<livitup>int AudioSampleRate=48000
13:36<PhazE3>what about in your db? what is the record rate set to?
13:37<livitup>which table is that in?
13:37<PeteCool>is a higher number a better or worse quality?
13:37<PhazE3>capturecard
13:37<PhazE3>higher is better
13:38<livitup>+--------+-------------+-------------+----------+----------------+
13:38<livitup>| cardid | videodevice | audiodevice | cardtype | audioratelimit |
13:38<livitup>+--------+-------------+-------------+----------+----------------+
13:38<livitup>| 1 | /dev/video | /dev/dsp | V4L | 0 |
13:38<livitup>+--------+-------------+-------------+----------+----------------+
13:38<Chutt>higher is lower.
13:39<livitup>that's all that's in capturecard
13:39<PhazE3>try setting audioratelimit to 48000
13:39<PhazE3>higher is lower?
13:39<PeteCool>can cardtype be anything other than v4l, anyways?
13:40<livitup>no joy
13:40<livitup>actually
13:41<livitup>that wouldn't make a difference
13:41<livitup>i don't think
13:41<livitup>because i've got a dss reciever
13:41<livitup>and the audio from that goes to the line-in on my sb
13:41<livitup>that's what is muted and recorded
13:41<livitup>if I unmute it i can listen w/o iss
13:41<livitup>s/iss/hiss
13:42<Chutt>it's not being recorded at all that way.
13:43<livitup>well i hear something from myth...
13:43<livitup>just sounds like crap
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13:43<livitup>in myth the audio is in perfect sync with the video
13:43<PeteCool>livitup: if you're using alsa make sure you're using the right dsp
13:43<livitup>it's just really hissy
13:44<PeteCool>/dev/sound/dsp need to be used here, not /dev/dsp
13:44<livitup>hmm
13:44* livitupchecks
13:44<livitup>you're talking about in settings.txt right?
13:45<livitup>i was using /dev/dsp
13:45<livitup>changed it to /dev/sound/dsp
13:45<livitup>still sounds horrible
13:46<Chutt>oh well
13:46<Chutt>buy a non-crappy soundcard
13:46<livitup>that shouldn't be the answer
13:46<livitup>i could understand if the line in itself was noisy
13:46<PeteCool>livitup: it might be...
13:46<Chutt>why?
13:47<livitup>then i'd need a non crappy sound card
13:47<Chutt>if you're not compressing anything
13:47<Chutt>it's not _touching_ the audio _at all_
13:47<livitup>but if the line in is fine
13:47<PeteCool>cmi8738 works fine, and its much cheaper
13:47<Chutt>so obviously, the line-in is not fine
13:47<livitup>if i use aumix
13:48<livitup>and un-mute line in as a test
13:48<Chutt>that's not a test.
13:48<livitup>it sounds *perfect*
13:48<Chutt>since you're not recording anything
13:48<livitup>ok
13:48<Chutt>it's not going through the soundcard.
13:48<livitup>so the process of recording and playing it is sucking up the sound?
13:48<Chutt>yes.
13:48<livitup>and that's my soundcard's fault?
13:48<Chutt>like i said, buy a non-crappy soundcard.
13:49<livitup>i'm not trying to be a pain in the ass
13:49<livitup>it's just not logical to me
13:49<livitup>i'm going to try something real quick
13:51<rkulagow>chutt: did you see my earlier question about expanding the file header?
13:52<Chutt>no, lemme scroll up
13:52<Chutt>ah, ok
13:52<Chutt>certainly isn't anything that says it can't be in the header
13:52<rkulagow>for a multi-gig file, 1 or 2k of text isn't that much...
13:52<Chutt>right
13:53<rkulagow>just wondering if it had crossed your mind...
13:53<Chutt>not really
13:53<Chutt>the db's good enough most of the time
13:53<Chutt>i wouldn't turn down a patch, though
13:54<rkulagow>right, but in the case where you've lost the db, the perl script can re-populate without a bunch of user intervention.
13:54<rkulagow>ahh, the dreaded "send a patch"! (too bad i'm more an idea guy than a coder) :(
13:56<nevertheless>Im sure, you find one if asking in the ML :-)
13:58<Chutt>the lindows dumbass is getting annoying.
14:01<livitup>brb
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14:29<livitup>bah humbug
14:31<livitup>i think i have a crappy sound card :)
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14:43<bigguy>the Lindows person seems to be a real idiot
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14:52<rkulagow>chutt: lindows... must.... control... fist... of... death!!!
15:01<m0tion>i hear a lot of talk about lindows in this channel, whats the deal?
15:01<PeteCool>two hours into the dd'ing of hard disks... this is (*&^( long
15:01<PeteCool>lindows is evil
15:02<m0tion>yea, i know, but other than that
15:02<Chutt>m0tion, some dumbass that works there is being annoying on the mailing list
15:02<bigguy>lindows isn't evil but they need better people working for them for sure
15:02<Chutt>having a problem with the backend segfaulting
15:02<Chutt>it's most likely to be a configuration problem
15:02<PeteCool>Chutt: just tell him he's annoying and use freevo instead... he'll be so puzzled he'll never be back
15:02<PeteCool>he didn't edit mysql.txt, that's all
15:03<PeteCool>I had that too
15:03<Chutt>shouldn't need to edit it, if it's all localhost
15:05<PeteCool>if the mythtv user's password isn't mythtv it'll do that
15:05<Chutt>ah, true
15:05<Chutt>hm
15:05<PeteCool>was mythtv started before or after freevo?
15:05<Chutt>it should just say 'couldn't open db' and exit
15:05<Chutt>after, of course
15:06<Chutt>and freevo has more people working on it
15:06<PeteCool>lol
15:06<Chutt>or had, at one point
15:06<PeteCool>you guys are much better then :)
15:06<m0tion>"what is gdb?" ... oh gosh.. hahaha
15:06<Chutt>m0tion, exactly
15:07<PeteCool>uh, is that that related to the gnu database?
15:07<PeteCool>joking
15:07<m0tion>this guy must mop the floors at Lindows or something, because I certainly hope he isn't a developer
15:07<bigguy>m0tion: it says he certifies hardware for use with lindows
15:08<PhazE3>Have you ever used Lindows... its terrible
15:08<m0tion>nah, i haven't
15:08<bigguy>maybe they wanted a cluebie to make sure anyone could install lindows
15:08<m0tion>haha
15:08<PhazE3>it is crap
15:09<m0tion>just curious, real quick, what os is everyone using to run MythTV? (chutt, i know your debian)
15:09<m0tion>you're even
15:09<PhazE3>you mean distribution right?
15:09<PhazE3>Slackware
15:09<m0tion>yes
15:09<PhazE3>and a RH8 box
15:10<bigguy>well I run debian
15:10<bigguy>but I'm not currently running myth
15:10<PhazE3>Im running it on my RH8 workstation also :)
15:10<bigguy>will once I get a job so I can get dish or directv
15:11<m0tion>=), i've got a mythtv box running mandrake, but i don't have cabletv =
15:11<m0tion>)
15:11<PhazE3>the basic cable in my city is only 9.99 so I have 23 channels
15:11<bigguy>but all my linux machines are running debian got a few running openbsd and some winders boxen
15:11<PhazE3>But that comes with FX so I am happy
15:12<m0tion>uhg, cheapest package here is from time warner for $40/mo
15:12<PhazE3>I have Cox Cable
15:13<PhazE3>The only thing I use myth to record is Buffy anyway
15:13<PeteCool>I'm using gentoo to run myth
15:14<m0tion>haha, i wish I would have had mine working for new years, I would have set it at my friends house and recorded the twilight zone marathon
15:14<m0tion>PeteCool: i've never used gentoo, have to take a look at it
15:15<bigguy>too bad only thing available to me here is sat or ant. no cable in the boondocks
15:16<PeteCool>m0tion: gentoo takes a while to setup "right", but "right" is (in my current experience) faster and more useful than with debian
15:16<PeteCool>I'm not dissing debian though, it's great too, but differently
15:17<nevertheless>PeteCool: running gentoo? which kernel?
15:17<PeteCool>nevertheless: gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r1
15:18<PeteCool>the new official kernel, I think. Runs great
15:18<nevertheless>I'm running vanilla 2.4.20, since running the lolo made mythtv run with 25% more cpu
15:19<PeteCool>any ideas why it might be doing that?
15:19<nevertheless>nope
15:19<PeteCool>preempt maybe?
15:19<nevertheless>so i switched back
15:20<nevertheless>maybe, that was my idea, too, but i didn't check it yet
15:20<PeteCool>preempt reduces IO output
15:20<nevertheless>so?
15:21<PeteCool>it takes more cpu cycles to write the ringbuffer/the recording
15:21<nevertheless>ah, ok
15:21<nevertheless>i don't like that
15:21<PeteCool>but, you're getting faster UI responsiveness
15:22<PeteCool>or so they say
15:22<nevertheless>but Im not able to run two recordings at the same time, so ... :)
15:56<PeteCool>anybody here using an ati remote wonder?
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16:03<datadevil>evening
16:07<datadevil>anyone awake? I got a problem trying to rip cd's
16:07<datadevil>in 0.7
16:09<nevertheless>which is?
16:10<datadevil>when i click the button to do it, i never get into the menu but get a segfault
16:16<nevertheless>hmm, I had such problems, too, but they were not reproducable, did you try another cd? (you have a cd in the cdrom, right?)
16:16<datadevil>yep
16:16<datadevil>on the 2nd :-P
16:16<datadevil>i'll try another cd
16:19<datadevil>does it try cddb?
16:20<datadevil>since kcd, or whatever its called, told me it doesnt recognize it
16:21<nevertheless>it uses freedb, i think
16:24<datadevil>i'll try two more
16:24<datadevil>or rather, i'll leave it
16:24<Chutt>there's a bug in libcdaudio
16:24<datadevil>i'll try again with 0.8, dont need the ripping really
16:24<Chutt>there's a fix on the sourceforge page for libcdaudio
16:24<Chutt>it won't crash if you fix your copy of it
16:24<datadevil>Chutt: mm..might be it then, but i'll leave it be, thanks
16:25<datadevil>i'll rather play with 0.8
16:25<datadevil>but cvs seems down
16:25<Chutt>nope, cvs is up
16:26<datadevil>then it times out for different reasons
16:51<PeteCool>man is setting up a remote long
16:51<PeteCool>at least it works
16:56<datadevil>anyone inhere use the games?
16:59<PeteCool>damn toggle bit
17:22<rkulagow>chutt: you here?
17:24<Chutt>yup
17:25<rkulagow>chutt: on mythfrontend setup, theme page, the help text for GUI height isn't deleted when the cursor moves to Date or Time format. It does change when you bounce between GUI width and GUI height though.
17:25<rkulagow>(there's no help text for the date / time format parameters)
17:25<datadevil>bbl
17:25<datadevil>thnks so far
17:25<rkulagow>in globalsettings.cpp
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17:26<Chutt>rkulagow, ok
17:26<Chutt>hmm
17:26<Chutt>i can't look at it right now, though
17:26<rkulagow>no problem. just wanted to let you know.
17:44<PeteCool>is there a "recall" function right now?
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17:48<poptix>Chutt: FYI, my EPG problems were fixed by wiping the database and starting over
17:49<poptix>in case someone else complains about the EPG type=1 segfaulting
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17:58<Chutt>kinda strange
17:58<Chutt>but, ok =)
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18:10<PeteCool>how would I toggle the muting of a channel using amixer? its man page really doesn't help me on this
18:11<PeteCool>hmm
18:11<PeteCool>nevermind
18:17<PeteCool>the volume isn't as easy though
18:57<PeteCool>what settings do you use in you lircrc to change the volume? I have troubles understanding how it works with amixer
19:03<poptix>tvtime rocks
19:11<vektor>aw yea!
19:11<vektor>poptix: thanx!
19:13<PeteCool>vektor: of course it rocks
19:13<vektor>PeteCool: aw yea!
19:13<vektor>you guys rock!
19:13<PeteCool>vektor: all we need now is to get your filters into mythtv
19:13<vektor>yeah yeah
19:14<PeteCool>if that's possible with chutt
19:14<vektor>see my tvtime status report i posted today to tvtime-devel
19:14<vektor>support for 4:2:0 in the api is in there
19:14<vektor>but not for next release
19:17<PeteCool>vektor: but I still don't agree on the canada-cable thing :)
19:18<PeteCool>vektor: I increased the second resolution in the config, and now most of the original noise is gone
19:19<vektor>I beg your pardon?
19:19<vektor>The second resolution?
19:19<PeteCool>the height
19:19<vektor>I don't understand.
19:19<vektor>How did you increase the height?
19:20<PeteCool>in the recording settings
19:20<vektor>Oh, you mean in mythtv?
19:20<PeteCool>yeah
19:20<vektor>oh.
19:20<vektor>I don't care, there's something wrong with your tuner driver if you get better reception with canada-cable.
19:20<vektor>That means we should fix the tuner driver, not use canada-cable.
19:21<PeteCool>us-cable works, but the offsets need to be bigger
19:21<vektor>Offsets??
19:21<vektor>You shouldn't need to fine tune _at_all_.
19:21<PeteCool>finetuning in the db table
19:21<PeteCool>hmm
19:21<vektor>You shouldn't need to do that _at_all_.
19:21<vektor>Else something is fucked up.
19:21<vektor>With cable, there is no need to fine tune.
19:22<PeteCool>hrm
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19:43<moegreen>Has anyone had a problem with LIRC 'hearing' too many hits? By this I mean, when I hit '2', LIRC reports '222' to MythTV or any other app
20:10<PeteCool>moegreen: if you rerun irrecord it might be better
20:11<PeteCool>seems like one of the numbers it autodetects is wrong
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20:37<jkrohn>Anyone around?
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22:13<PeteCool>so, any new features coming in soon?
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22:35<Soopizzle>hola
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