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00:20-!-Kuwanger [nobody@d-72-193.dhcp-149-159.indiana.edu] has joined #mythtv
00:20<Kuwanger>I seem to be having even more problems with mythtv now.
00:20<Kuwanger>I did the whole upgrade to alsa 0.9rc_6, which had no effect.
00:21<Kuwanger>And trying to run a cvs copy of mythbackend ends up growing to about 730MB memory usage.
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00:24<rkulagow>chutt: g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -g `freetype-config --cflags` -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DEXTRA_LOCKING -DMMX -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I../libmyth -I.. -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -I/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default -o NuppelVideoPlayer.o NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp
00:24<rkulagow>cc1plus: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
00:24<rkulagow>cc1plus: warning: as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
00:24<rkulagow>NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:22:21: effects.h: No such file or directory
00:24<rkulagow>did i miss a commit msg?
00:25* Kuwangerguesses he'll try the new bttv to see if it helps any.
00:34<poptix>hmm
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00:38<poptix>odd.
00:39<Justin_>rkulagow: where is effects.h?
00:44<Kuwanger>When I patch v4l2 onto the kernel, do I need to make mrproper?
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00:51<rkulagow>chutt: looks like effects.h used to be in libNupplevideo, but cvs and web cvs are showing empty directory...
00:52<rkulagow>ok, just saw the commit
00:54<Justin_>heh, i was just about to suggest that:)
00:56<Kuwanger>So, anyways..
01:00* Kuwangercrosses his fingers.
01:00<Kuwanger>later
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02:52<Justin_>hmm
02:53-!-Justin_ has changed the topic to: MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR software for linux
02:53<Justin_>:)
02:54-!-Justin_ has changed the topic to: MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR for linux
02:54<Justin_>much better:)
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04:54<billytwowilly>anyone awake to tell me how development of mythtv is going? is enough stuff happening to justify a release soon?
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09:16<hurdel>billytwowilly : i think the next release is pretty close
09:16<hurdel>the frontend/backend split seems just about finished
09:16<hurdel>i'm running a cvs copy with the backend on a diff machine from frontend, and it works great, it's really quite amazing
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10:21<rkulagow>morning. chutt, are you here?
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10:29<mdz_>hey guys I want to record 3 channels at once, how can I fit 3 tuner cards into my shuttle micro-atx box with a VIA C3 processor?
10:29<mdz_>ok I'll just use USB
10:29<mdz_>it is time to create a second mythtv mailing list, methinks
10:30<rkulagow>why is the lindows guy recompiling qt?
10:30<Chutt>hey guys
10:30<rkulagow>morning.
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10:32<rkulagow>chutt: is there someplace in mythfrontend setup that the mixer choice should go? i'm assuming that this is going to be a mythfrontend thing, since it may be different on different frontends. would "General" be ok with you?
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10:32<Chutt>in playback, with the dsp device setting
10:32<rkulagow>ok.
10:32<rkulagow>thanks.
10:33<rkulagow>did you see this?
10:33<rkulagow>*** Justin_ has changed the topic on channel #mythtv to MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR software for linux
10:33<rkulagow><Justin_> :)
10:33<rkulagow>*** Justin_ has changed the topic on channel #mythtv to MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR for linux
10:34<mdz_>I think the topic was empty for some reason at that point
10:36* Justin_hides
10:38<mdz_>seriously though, xbox roxx0rz and I think it would make the bestest pvr evar!!
10:39<Chutt>heh
10:39<Chutt>yeah, i'll ask snowman to make a new list
10:41<mdz_>I think there are enough people answering questions on the list that you wouldn't need to subscribe to the user list
10:41<Chutt>i'll ask on the list if people want me to just mass subscribe them to the other one
10:41<rkulagow>i just remember that chutt got pissed when someone changed it to "chutt is god" or something like that...
10:41<Chutt>then people can unsubscribe themselves as they wish
10:41<Chutt>or i could just leave it empty
10:42<Chutt>i'm just worried that people will use the -dev list instead
10:42<rkulagow>mdz: did you think about paypal or something simlar for new h/w? people might chip in...
10:42<mdz_>could move everyone to the user list and let them resubscribe to -dev
10:43<mdz_>rkulagow: nah, I still have some hope that I can figure out the problem and fix it
10:43<rkulagow>ok.
10:43<rkulagow>but maybe someone would send you an xbox!
10:47<Chutt>heh
10:47<Chutt>mdz, so, i'm going to convert things to a global context next
10:48<Chutt>it'll make finishing up remote icons much easier
10:50<mdz_>Chutt: mythtv will shrink by a few thousand lines of code
10:50<Chutt>heh
10:50<Chutt>naw, i doubt that
10:52<mdz_>maybe it's just a CPU temperature issue
10:52<mdz_>dunno what I can do about that really, though
10:52<Chutt>power supply could be going as well
10:52<mdz_>it has a heatsink and fan, and I put them on with the good thermal stuff
10:52<mdz_>yeah, possible...I haven't checked the voltages under load, they're fine at idle
10:53<mdz_>I hate hardware
10:53<Chutt>power supply should be relatively easy to test
10:53<Chutt>assuming you've got another box around
10:53<mdz_>I think I have an extra one stashed away
10:54<mdz_>I wish this lm-sensors crap actually worked
10:54<mdz_>then I could monitor the temperature
10:55<mdz_>hmm, it looks like they added support for my chipset in the new release
11:25<Chutt>heh
11:30<rcaskey>Chutt: you should be a middle man for ir-blasters, remotes, and the like. You could sell em on the web site for some extra cash, and you could provide default menu configs for people who didn't want to spend their time setting up mappings
11:31<Chutt>or, i couldn't
11:31<Chutt>=)
11:31<rcaskey>couldn't?
11:31<Chutt>i wouldn't want to do that
11:31<rcaskey>yeah, well that's not exaclty the same as couldn't ;P
12:09<Chutt>mdz, 200 lines removed by converting to a global context
12:10<Chutt>in all of MC/, haven't done the other modules
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13:20<mdz_>that is significant
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13:26<Chutt>heh
13:26<Chutt>that freeplaytv guy took off the announcement of his own pvr project on his webpage
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13:31<mdz_>what's left on your hit list for 0.8?
13:31<mdz_>I remember you wanted the preview pixmaps to work again, and the remote bookmarks
13:32<Chutt>per-host frontend settings and multiple backends
13:33<Chutt>then a bunch of bug fixing
13:41<mdz_>per-host frontend settings should be pretty easy
13:41<mdz_>assuming that all frontends start with the defaults
13:41<Chutt>yup
13:42<mdz_>what about per-host backend settings? I hope not...
13:42<Chutt>only thing that should be per-host is the ip address
13:42<Chutt>and maybe some functionality to choose a recording profile based on the hostname
13:50<mdz_>I'm not really going to be able to work on the recording editor for a while
13:51<mdz_>if you finish your stuff and want to release, it might be better to disable the new profile creation feature and only have one profile
13:52<rkulagow>chutt: i'm 90% there with the sound / volume mixer thing. are you thinking of a soonish release (as in today, or is there still time?)
13:52<Chutt>heh
13:52<Chutt>couple weeks
13:52<rkulagow>whew. ok.
13:53<rkulagow>i've got globalsettings doing the right thing, and the database is now updated correctly; just working on the last bit of stuff with tv_play
14:09<rkulagow>chutt: did I screw something up?
14:09<rkulagow>
14:09<rkulagow>make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mythtv/myth-0.8/MC/programs/mythtv'
14:09<rkulagow>g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -g -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DEXTRA_LOCKING -DMMX -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I../../libs/libmythtv -I../../libs -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -I/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default -o main.o main.cpp
14:09<rkulagow>cc1plus: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
14:09<rkulagow>cc1plus: warning: as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
14:09<rkulagow>main.cpp: In function `int main(int, char**)':
14:09<rkulagow>main.cpp:41: no matching function for call to `TV::TV(MythContext*&, QSqlDatabase*&)'
14:09<rkulagow>../../libs/libmythtv/tv_play.h:23: candidates are: TV::TV(const TV&)
14:09<rkulagow>../../libs/libmythtv/tv_play.h:25: TV::TV(MythContext*)
14:10<rkulagow>i've synced to cvs, as far as i know.
14:10<rkulagow>wait a sec.
14:13<rkulagow>nope; removed mythtv/main.cpp, checked out MC again, same issue.
14:13<Chutt>you're not synced to cvs, though
14:13<Chutt>you've modified tv_play.h
14:14<rkulagow>thought i merged the diffs already; may have f'ed it up.
14:27<Chutt>two more modules to convert...
14:36<mdz_>"I absolutely need fast response when changing channels" "people seem to be using these 'jacked' machines that are overkill for my purposes"
14:37<Chutt>hehe
14:38<mdz_>I thought 'jacked' meant stolen
14:38<mdz_>kids these days, I can't keep up with the slang
14:39<poptix>heh
14:39<Chutt>it's all these poor people that are making the mailing list suck
14:39<poptix>Chutt: i've noticed that if i attempt to overly optimize my build flags that there's some stuttering in the video and audio
14:39<Chutt>"i don't want to spend $200 to get a real machine"
14:40<poptix>is there some time sensitive loop in there that's going a little too fast then blocking?
14:40<Chutt>poptix, yeah, optimizations aren't always good =)
14:40<mdz_>what you're probably finding is that when you attempt to overly optimize your build flags, you end up with slower code
14:41<poptix>mdz_: somehow i thought that optimizing for a 386 wasn't the best idea =p
14:41<mdz_>poptix: dunno what software you're talking about, but the default for mythtv is to optimize for 686
14:41<Chutt>poptix, what's likely happening is that the optimizations are producing larger chunks of code
14:42<mdz_>the source of all the "it breaks on my VIA C3" complaints
14:42<Chutt>which overflow the cache, and cause extra memory hits and stuff
14:42<poptix>i prefer -march=athlon-xp
14:42<mdz_>I'm sure
14:43<mdz_>have you noticed that it doesn't make any difference for mythtv?
14:43<Chutt>actually, there's really no reason for most of the code to be compiled with the optimizations that is has
14:43<mdz_>-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer would be fine
14:44<Chutt>allright
14:44<Chutt>time for mass checkins
14:46<poptix>mdz_: actually by just changing from -march=pentium-pro to athlon-xp it has, on average, used a bit less cpu
14:46<poptix>i think mucking with -O caused the current issues
14:49<poptix>rebuilding the qt package also improved the response time of the EPG by a noticable amount
14:49<Chutt>mdz, all told, 340 fewer lines
14:52<mdz_>big commit
14:53<Chutt>touched pretty much everything
14:53<mdz_>poptix: hard numbers please
14:53<Chutt>the diff was only 7153 lines =0
14:53<Chutt>err, =)
14:54<poptix>mdz_: give me a good way to benchmark
14:54<poptix>mdz_: the only benchmark i have is 1) top output and 2) being able to load mozilla without having live tv stutter
14:55* Justin_got his tv card :-D
14:56* Justin_runs halt for the 3rd time in a year or so:-D
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14:57<mdz_>those are not benchmarks
14:57<mdz_>anything other than a repeatable test is not useful for comparison
14:57<poptix>mdz_: give me a way to provide benchmarks that will satisfy you.
14:57<mdz_>poptix: give me a benchmark
14:57<mdz_>I have nothing to prove
14:58<mdz_>write a program which will execute an exact series of steps, involving the operations that you claim are faster with the optimizations, measure its execution time, and send me a copy of the program so that I can run it as well
14:58<mdz_>mythtv is open source, so you could use parts of mythtv in the program to show that they are faster
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14:59<Chutt>heh, ups came a day early
14:59<Kuwanger>Good news and bad news for me. The good news is the new bttv seems to have overcome the memory limits of the old version.
14:59<Chutt>amazing
14:59<Kuwanger>The bad news is myth still hangs when I try to change channels.
15:00<mdz_>Kuwanger: usually that indicates a sound card problem
15:00<mdz_>the fact that UPS came at all is astonishing
15:00<Kuwanger>I get "Delaying to next trigger" messages.
15:00<Kuwanger>mdz_: What would make my sound card stop working one day?
15:00<Chutt>it's relatively easy to debug hangs
15:01<Chutt>just compile for debugging and run in gdb, make it hang, hit ctl-c
15:01<mdz_>a few "Delaying to next trigger" messages are normal for now, and relatively harmless
15:01<Kuwanger>Is there a debug option?
15:01<mdz_>Kuwanger: this is all in the documentation
15:01<Kuwanger>mdz_: They seem directly related to me pressing keys.
15:01<Chutt>in settings.pro
15:01<mdz_>google for "mythtv debug" and it is the third match
15:02<Kuwanger>Yea, a grep found the settings.pro thing.
15:04<Kuwanger>mdz_: I don't recall seeing in the documentation anything about MythTV working one day then the next spontaneously locking up and it probably being the sound card.
15:05<Kuwanger>Thought Chutt told me to upgrade to 0.9rc_6 of alsa to see if it would help, and it did not, which is why I came back.
15:05<poptix>../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv.a(progfind.o)(.text+0x2d3): In function `ProgFinder::ProgFinder[not-in-charge](QWidget*, char const*)':
15:05<poptix>: undefined reference to `gContext'
15:05<poptix>is that in the FAQ?
15:05<Chutt>no, it means you need to do a make distclean and build everything
15:05<poptix>hrm
15:05<Chutt>probably would help to remove your installed libmyth as well
15:07<poptix>already did that
15:07<poptix>rpm -e mythtv
15:08<Kuwanger>Uh, does mythtv just completely ignore the --prefix option?
15:08<Chutt>settings.pro, again
15:09<Kuwanger>I'll take that as a yes.
15:09<Chutt>yes
15:10<Chutt>it's really difficult to edit a file to set the prefix
15:10<Chutt>mythtv doesn't even have a --prefix option
15:10<Chutt>so, whatever
15:10<Kuwanger>configure does
15:11<Chutt>didn't manage to read the first line of configure's output, did you?
15:11<Kuwanger>Nope, apparently not.
15:11<poptix>heh
15:11<poptix>Kuwanger: configure is for libavcodec
15:12<Kuwanger>settings.pro is for everything else?
15:12<mdz_>Kuwanger: that is in the documentation as a matter of fact
15:12<Kuwanger>Where?
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15:15<Justin_>00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) :):)
15:16<Kuwanger>I see two mentions of settings.pro, and their whole relationship is mentioned that of changing -march=pentiumpro to -march=i586 for K6 line processors
15:17<Kuwanger>There doesn't really seem to much information on where to configure things, though you're right in I didn't read all of what configure said. On the other hand, it doesn't tell me what to alter either.
15:27<poptix>Chutt: it's still giving the same compile error
15:27<poptix>hmm..
15:28<rkulagow>chutt: the sound/volume patch is done, i think. what's the best diff command to use to send it to you? i had to touch tv_play.{cpp,h} and global settings.
15:28<poptix>rkulagow: cvs -z3 diff -u
15:28<Chutt>poptix, everything's in cvs
15:29<Chutt>what file does it die on?
15:29<poptix>g++ -o mythprogfind main.o -L/usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libvbitext -lmythtv -lavcodec -lvbitext -lmyth-0.8 -lXv -lXinerama -lmp3lame -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
15:29<poptix>../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv.a(progfind.o)(.text+0x2d3): In function `ProgFinder::ProgFinder[not-in-charge](QWidget*, char const*)':
15:29<mdz_>Kuwanger: in the FAQ
15:29<poptix>: undefined reference to `gContext'
15:30<Kuwanger>mdz_: Again, where?
15:30<mdz_>Kuwanger: click on the link that says "FAQ" on the mythtv home page. did you even try?
15:30<mdz_>poptix: are you sure you did a "make distclean" and you have no other libmyth-0.8 that it could be finding?
15:31<poptix>mdz_: yes.
15:31<Kuwanger>mdz_: Yea, I did.
15:31<Chutt>gContext is defined in mythprogfind/main.cpp
15:32<Kuwanger>mdz_: The program guide lists all my channels. I have the latest alsa. MythTV doesn't hang/crash the whole machine, it just doesn't change the channel.
15:32<mdz_>) I can't change the channel when watching TV?
15:32<mdz_>- Something's wrong with your program database. Did filldata run with
15:32<mdz_> no major errors?
15:32<mdz_>that is cut and pasted from the FAQ
15:32<Kuwanger>mdz_: And that doesn't appear to be the problem.
15:33<Kuwanger>Unless, of course, the program guide can show all the program information fine while mythtv itself cannot from the same database.
15:33<Kuwanger>At which point, I'm at ends on what I could do to resolve the problem.
15:34<mdz_>changing the channel requires different data from the database than displaying the program guide
15:34<mdz_>so yes, it is entirely possible that you have a problem with your database with those symptoms
15:34<Kuwanger>Such as..parts which filldata fills up but aren't visible from the program guide?
15:34<mdz_>especially if your database schema is not up to date (assuming you are running CVS)
15:34<poptix>hrm
15:34<poptix>cvs update again seems to have fixed it
15:35<poptix>perhaps i updated at the wrong time
15:35<mdz_>maybe your last update went through before chutt's commit was done
15:35<Chutt>poptix, you might've caught it in the middle of an update
15:35<mdz_>CVS sucks that way
15:35<Chutt>it was a big commit =)
15:35<Kuwanger>mdz_: Does not being able to change channels include the inability to exit mythtv's livetv properly?
15:35<rkulagow>chutt: mailed you the diff.
15:35<Chutt>thanks
15:36<Chutt>kuwanger, if you can't exit it either, that _really_ says it's a sound problem
15:36<Kuwanger>So, what am I supposed to do? :)
15:40<Kuwanger>Right, well, I have to go. Maybe I'll magically figure out why it's not working then.
15:40<Kuwanger>Until then.
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15:50<poptix>root 26052 30.0 6.9 74264 35752 ttyp6 S 14:48 0:34 mythbackend
15:50<poptix>root 26060 12.8 5.2 50012 27192 ttyp0 S 14:48 0:14 mythfrontend
15:50<poptix>nice
15:51<mdz_>wah wah why won't you debug my problem for me I get free support with my mythtv purchase right?
15:52<poptix>mdz_: heh
15:52<poptix>i assume that was directed at Kuwanger
15:53<Universe>I think it was directed at alot of people
15:53<Chutt>mailman has an 'invite to subscribe' feature
15:53<Chutt>i think i'll use that for the entire list membership
15:53<Chutt>for mythtv-users
15:54<poptix>i don't think you'll manage to get the questions off -dev
15:54<Chutt>no
15:54<Chutt>but hopefully stuff like the xbox discussion will go off of it
15:54<poptix>everyones question is of the utmost importance and deserves the attention of -dev
15:54<mdz_>poptix: most recently him, but yes, a lot of people
15:55* Universehas seen many demanding support for this app..
15:55<mdz_>things seem to work best when you start out with one list, and then split off a development list that people need to specifically subscribe to
15:56<mdz_>it'll be tough to get anyone to unsubscribe from -dev that shouldn't be there
15:56<Chutt>mdz, yeah, but renaming a list in mailman is a _bitch_
15:56<Chutt>and i don't want to make snowman figure that out
15:56<Chutt>he's busy enough =)
15:58<poptix>Chutt: you can always export the dev subscribers then import them to a new list
15:58<poptix>change -dev to -devel or something =p
15:58* poptixgoes poof
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16:56<TheAsp>Does the preview image just create 1 image or a few?
16:56<TheAsp>err
16:56<TheAsp>preview image option
17:06<mdz_>just one
17:14<nevertheless>hmm, I'm somehow confused... I just reinstalled mythtv into a clean directory (deleting the old) and now I cannot see the labels anymore (like in setups or the epg)
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17:15<nevertheless>did I miss anything?
17:15<_shad>Hehe
17:15<_shad>mdz
17:15<TheAsp>mdz: hmm... where does it generate them?
17:16<TheAsp>in the frontend?
17:16<_shad>There is no way for me to hook up a vcr to composite, and actually have real time channel changing, rewinding and ff'ing, is there?
17:17<mdz_>_shad: sure there is
17:17<_shad>in mythtv? :)
17:17<mdz_>_shad: it's the same situation as with a cable converter
17:18<mdz_>yes, in mythtv
17:18<_shad>hehe. how?
17:18<mdz_>TheAsp: not sure, I haven't looked at it since the split
17:18<_shad>I feel dumb.
17:18<mdz_>_shad: you need an IR transmitter and a little script to change the channel using lirc
17:19<_shad>ok, I know that
17:19<_shad>but
17:19<_shad>I was watching a dvd
17:19<_shad>and stuff
17:19<_shad>heh
17:20<_shad>even with an ir transmitter, if I was 10 seconds back in the buffer, I wouldn't see it start fast forwarding for 10 seconds, right?
17:21<mdz_>you are talking about fast forwarding and rewinding on a VCR
17:21<_shad>or dvd
17:21<mdz_>I was talking about fast forwarding and rewinding in mythtv
17:21<_shad>oh
17:21<_shad>ya
17:21<_shad>hehe
17:21<mdz_>why would you watch a hardware DVD player through mythtv?
17:21<_shad>I don't have a dvd-rom
17:21<_shad>:)
17:21<_shad>but it's the same for vcr
17:22<mdz_>there are no channels, and a DVD player already does most of what mythtv does for recordings
17:22<_shad>I was watching a recording
17:22<mdz_>you don't have a dvd-rom, but you have a hardware dvd player and a tv
17:22<_shad><I was recording with mythtv and a vcr at same time>
17:22<_shad>I don't have a tv
17:22<_shad>I have a monitor :)
17:22<mdz_>then why did you buy a dvd player instead of a dvd-rom?
17:22<_shad>it was a birthday present
17:23<_shad>:)
17:24<_shad>but, in the case of the vcr, there is no way to actually have real time control over it, right?
17:24<TheAsp>where the hell is gContext from?
17:24<TheAsp>:)
17:25<mdz_>_shad: what's wrong with using the dvd player's remote control to have real time control?
17:26<_shad>because if I'm 10 seconds back in the buffer, and I start a fast forward, I won't see it starting a fast forward for 10 seconds
17:26<mdz_>why would you be 10 seconds back in the buffer?
17:27<mdz_>you should either use mythtv's ff/rew, or the player's, not both
17:27<_shad>ya
17:27<_shad>but if it just gets behind
17:27<mdz_>it doesn't :-)
17:27<_shad>my mythtv is constantly 2-3 seconds behind real tv
17:27<mdz_>that's normal
17:27<TheAsp>thats what it's supposed to do
17:27<mdz_>you might be happier just using xawtv or tvtime or such
17:27<_shad>yes, but even 3 seconds is a long time :)
17:28<mdz_>if all you want is to display a composite input on a computer monitor
17:28<_shad>mdz: ya, I do that for now, just wondering if there was a way in mythtv
17:28<mdz_>ahh, this is the old "can i turn off the PVR bits" question, disguised
17:28<_shad>no
17:28<_shad>gah
17:28<_shad>I know you can't turn it off
17:28<_shad>I like the pvr shit :P
17:28<mdz_>the pvr features require a delay
17:28<_shad>I just need to make a link on the main menu for "dvd and vcr' that starts tvtime or something
17:29<_shad>yea
17:29<_shad>I know that
17:29<mdz_>oh god that xbox thread needs to die
17:29<_shad>heh
17:29* _shadgoes to read
17:29<nevertheless>no ideas about the disapearing labels ?
17:29<Justin_>time to install tv card=2 minutes, time to fix cable jack=3 hours :)
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17:30<_shad>mdz: There will obviously never be another input that will not be pvr based, right?
17:30<Kuwanger>Hello again.
17:31<mdz_>_shad: I doubt it, but if someone contributes it and it integrates nicely, I suppose it's possible. it'd be up to Chutt
17:32<_shad>mdz: ya. I just can't think of a way for it to integrate, it'd have to be something like composite(real-time) or something
17:32<Kuwanger>mdz_: So do you have any idea where the actual corruption is likely to be that would be causing the channel changing to not function in mythtv?
17:32<_shad>but simply another icon beside watch tv would work too I guess
17:51<TheAsp>do truncated files act differently when you are fastforwarding/rewinding?
17:51<Chutt>truncated how?
17:52<TheAsp>like the server killed at the wrong time
17:52<Chutt>yeah, they won't have a seek table
17:52<Chutt>so seeking will take quite a bit longer
17:53<TheAsp>*nod*, same with livetv?
17:53<moegreen>that sure was easy to delete all the mailing list emails with xbox at the beginning of them
17:53<Chutt>livetv should be faster
17:53<Chutt>since it does some stuff to improve the process
17:53<TheAsp>ah
17:53<Chutt>hrmph
17:54<TheAsp>where are the show icons being generated?
17:54<Chutt>backend
17:54<TheAsp>ah
17:54<Chutt>eventually, whichever backend has the file will generate it
17:54<TheAsp>which function?
17:55<Chutt>which function?
17:55<TheAsp>does the generating
17:55<Chutt>nuppelvideoplayer::getscreengrab() or something like that
17:57<Kuwanger>If I downgrade from 0.8 to 0.7, should I clear my database and start over?
17:57<Chutt>you need to drop all the tables
17:59<TheAsp>haha, findcomericals :P
17:59<TheAsp>nice idea
18:00<Kuwanger>Still totally lost on why DBZ isn't being recorded.
18:01<TheAsp>are they repeats?
18:03<Chutt>can people let me know if they got invites to subscribe to mythtv-users?
18:04<TheAsp>sure
18:04<Chutt>i'm not sure if the entire list got processed
18:04<TheAsp>how long should it take?
18:04<Chutt>i dunno
18:05<TheAsp>wonder if my filter would have picked it up or not
18:05<TheAsp>nope, not in there
18:06<TheAsp>hmm
18:08<TheAsp>bbl
18:08<Chutt>i think mailman died
18:08<Chutt>well, not died, but =)
18:08<TheAsp>suffered a stroke?
18:09<vektor>a mild concussion?
18:11<Justin_>rabid dog?
18:11<nevertheless>Chutt: got it
18:11<Justin_>is it just me, or is everyone here using cvs?
18:12<Chutt>nevertheless, what's your email address?
18:12<nevertheless>me@christianhoenig.de
18:12<Chutt>ok, so it got to the m's
18:12<Chutt>if it was doing it alphabetically
18:13<vektor>I think it's pretty insensitive of them to call it GNU mailman
18:14<vektor>I mean, mailcarrier is a much more inclusive. Or lettercarrier or postalemployee or something... ;)
18:16<Chutt>heh
18:16<Chutt>oh, seems that snowman's mail box is overloaded =)
18:19<Justin_>yeha, i've gotten 238 emails in a day
18:38<rkulagow>hasn't made it to the "r"'s yet.
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18:40<giuppi>hi, is the ati tv wonder a good choice in terms of quality ?
18:48<_shad>Chutt got the message
18:48<_shad>add a : in there
18:48<_shad>heh
18:49<_shad>changes the meaning totally. haha
18:49<nevertheless>:-)
18:50<_shad>kinda hard to type a : with a wire wrap tool and wire in one hand
18:52<rkulagow>just got the invite.
18:53<rkulagow>i'm tingly with anticipation on the content...
18:56<moegreen>i got two - i feel special today.
18:57<_shad>moegreen: are you sure the second isn't a dis-invitation :)
18:57<nevertheless>and I finally got the confirmation :-)
18:58<TheAsp>message received
18:58<TheAsp>twice...
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19:04<Kuwanger>Justin_: Not me.
19:05<Kuwanger>TheAsp: Sorry for not answering sooner. Far as I know, they're not repeats. At least, not all of them.
19:11<Kuwanger>Great..
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19:15<Kuwanger>Well, this makes a lot of sense..
19:15<Kuwanger>I can get so far as to create the database but I can't seem to populate it with entries.
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19:34<Justin_>is 30% cpu a lot for recording? heh
19:34<nevertheless>depends on res.
19:35* Justin_looks
19:35<Justin_>480x480
19:36<nevertheless>I'm running 640x480 utilizing 50% on my xp 2000+
19:36<Justin_>i have a 1600+...
19:37<_shad>I have a 486
19:37<Justin_>divx comes out big when it cant do two pass encoding i guess
19:37<_shad>:)
19:40<poptix>Justin_:
19:40<poptix>root 26292 28.4 7.0 74224 36544 ttyp6 S 18:39 0:03 mythbackend
19:40<poptix>root 26304 14.3 5.0 50168 26220 ttyp0 S 18:39 0:02 mythfrontend
19:40<poptix>that's 720x480, watching LiveTV with rtjpeg at '140' quality
19:40<poptix>athlon xp 2000+
19:45<Justin_>your using cvs eh?
19:48<poptix>yeah
19:48<poptix>current as of 3 hours ago
19:52<Justin_>i'm using the 0.70 debs
19:53<poptix>ick.
19:55<Chutt>bah, there's nothing wrong with 0.7
19:55<Chutt>it's just two months old
19:55<Chutt>or is it three, now?
19:57<nevertheless>I have a seperate 0.7 installatione, to which I can switch, if I destroy stuff while working on it,... and now I somehow prefer the 0.7, because there i CAN see all the lables :-(
19:59<poptix>Chutt: still though, you have to admit there have been signifigant improvements in the CVS =P
20:00* Kuwangeris at a loss. :/
20:01<Kuwanger>What in the world am I supposed to do to make this freaking table..
20:03<Kuwanger>Guess I had to do it as root.
20:03<poptix>Kuwanger: hammer, nails, and wood.
20:04<Kuwanger>Though why, I have no idea..
20:05<poptix>probably because you don't know how to use mysql
20:06<Kuwanger>No, I don't.
20:06<Kuwanger>It's supposedly acl, though that doesn't tell me much.
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20:09<Justin_>Chutt: well you have to keep mythfrontend running for it to record....
20:09<Kuwanger>Justin_: No biggy. Just have to have a stable X. :)
20:09<Justin_>:)
20:10<Justin_>and that the graphical setup doesn't work:)
20:16<poptix>the graphical setup does work
20:17<poptix>and you don't need to have mythfrontend running to automatically record television shows
20:17<poptix>you do need mythbackend running
20:18<Kuwanger>poptix: Not following the conversation?
20:20<Justin_>0.70 doesn't have mythbackend
20:21<Justin_>0.70 doesn't have graphical setup:)
20:21<Justin_>though what it does have works:)
20:22* Kuwangerhopes that mythfrontend starts magically working this time.
20:22<Kuwanger>Then I just have to pray it doesn't magically break again. :)
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21:17<Justin_>poptix: how big do the files get using rtjpeg?
21:18<Kuwanger>Well, rebuilt my database.
21:18<Kuwanger>No effect.
21:18<Kuwanger>Now, why was it that mythtv has sound card problems?
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22:18<Justin_>what exactly does "mpeg4" mean to mythtv?
22:20<mdz>MPEG-4 is a video encoding algorithm
22:21<Chutt>mdz, 1/3 of the people subscribed have subscribed to the users list
22:22<mdz>impressive
22:22<Chutt>so far, at least
22:23<mdz>playback takes almost 20% of my CPU when it's underclocked like this
22:23<Chutt>heh
22:23<Justin_>i know what mpeg4 is
22:23<Chutt>you underclocked by lowering the fsb?
22:23<Chutt>or...
22:23<Justin_>i wanna know what mythtv thinks mpeg4 is
22:24<mdz>both
22:24<mdz>it's 100mhz for the cpu and bus now
22:24<Chutt>so the ram's running 1/4 slower?
22:24<mdz>yep
22:24<Chutt>that's probably the biggest hit
22:24<Justin_>theres divx4, divx5, xvid, xvidcs, ffmpeg....
22:24<mdz>probably as big as the CPU running 30% slower
22:25<Chutt>justin, the code is sitting right there, take a look at it
22:25* Justin_looks
22:31<TheAsp>there is also a suspicious icon is on the site...
22:35<_shad>and a typo on the newest news :)
22:45<mdz>Chutt: so I got lm-sensors up on this thing, and on an idle system it's showing alarms for 3 of the voltage measurements
22:45<Justin_>where is the doc that tells you how to use edit mode?
22:46<Justin_>ahh its in keys.txt :-D
22:46<TheAsp>so does mine
22:46<TheAsp>i ignore them
22:46<_shad>mdz: in the 5 volt lines?
22:46<TheAsp>they are fine in the bios
22:46<_shad>is it like 4.8x volts?
22:47<mdz>+3.3V: +6.48 V (min = +2.96 V, max = +3.60 V) ALARM
22:47<mdz>-12V: -1.74 V (min = -15.86 V, max = -13.40 V) ALARM
22:47<mdz>-5V: -9.14 V (min = -10.13 V, max = -9.44 V) ALARM
22:47<_shad>umm
22:47<_shad>hehe
22:47<mdz>never mind, those values are crap
22:47<_shad>see
22:48<_shad>I like those numbers
22:48<mdz>yep, especially the 12V
22:48<_shad>ya
22:48<_shad>good power savings
22:48<_shad>:)
22:49<mdz>the others look reasonable though, it's weird
22:49<_shad>ya
22:49<_shad>maybe your underclocking is fuckin with it
22:50<mdz>why do these drivers suck?
22:50<_shad>is it stable underclocked?
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22:52<mdz>yep
22:52<_shad>you did try increasing cpu voltage first?
22:52<mdz>passes memtest86, and has been stable all day
22:52<mdz>no, I don't know how to do that
22:52<mdz>it can't be changed in the bios
22:52<_shad>really?
22:53<_shad>should be where you change the fsb
22:53<mdz>it is displayed there, but I can't change it
22:54<_shad>weird
22:54<_shad>intel or amd?
22:54<mdz>amd
22:54<_shad>asus mobo?
22:54<mdz>it's a k7s5a
22:55<mdz>ecs
22:55<_shad>hrm. don't know anything about ecs
22:55<mdz>cheap crap
22:55<_shad>heh
22:56<_shad>we only sell asus
22:57<_shad>yay. my 8088 is now interrupt driven!
22:57<_shad>stupid POS.
22:57<_shad>haha
22:58<mdz>I don't think it's the CPU overheating; according to lm-sensors even when it's pegged it's only 61C
22:59<_shad>hmm
22:59<_shad>but it might not be getting enough voltage
22:59<_shad>you have the manual?
23:00<mdz>dunno how to measure that since lm-sensors is fucked
23:00<mdz>yes
23:00<_shad>see where to increase the cpu voltage
23:00<mdz>nope
23:00<mdz>it only displays it
23:01<mdz>the only things that can be changed on that page are the CPU clock and DRAM clock
23:02<_shad>is there a jumper setting?
23:02<mdz>it doesn't seem like that could be the problem; it used to be stable
23:03<mdz>it only has like 2 jumpers, cmos clear and keyboard power on
23:03<_shad>hmm
23:03<_shad>weird
23:03<_shad>but increasing the clock makes it unstable
23:03<_shad>you've run memtest86 at full clock speed I presume?
23:03<mdz>yep, that was where I first saw the failures
23:03<_shad>hmm
23:03<mdz>at 133/133
23:04<mdz>now it's at 100/100
23:04<_shad>ok
23:04<_shad>can you set it to 133/100 or 100/133?
23:04<mdz>yeah, that's what I'm about to try
23:04<_shad>I'm thinking cpu
23:05<mdz>core voltage is 1.744V
23:05<mdz>now trying 100/133
23:05<_shad>k
23:05<_shad>cpuburn? :)
23:06<mdz>memtest86
23:06<_shad>it would freeze on a memtest too?
23:06<mdz>nah, just show errors
23:07<_shad>then it looks like bad ram
23:07<_shad>heh
23:07<_shad>poor guy
23:07<_shad>but you got new ram, right?
23:08<mdz>yep
23:08<mdz>already swapped it out, didn't help
23:09<_shad>tried diff slots too?
23:13<mdz>no, didn't try that
23:13<_shad>I've seen bad slots before
23:13<_shad>I've seen almost everything in the past 2 years
23:17<mdz>memtest86 seems happy at 100/133
23:18<_shad>mmm
23:18<_shad>cpu?
23:18<mdz>I don't have a spare CPU to try
23:20<_shad>you only have a choice between 100 and 133?
23:20<_shad>no 127 stuff?
23:21<mdz>correct
23:21<mdz>this is not a fancy board or bios, very basic
23:21<_shad>hmm
23:22<_shad>not good :(
23:23<_shad>just run it at 100/133 :)
23:24<mdz>that is not satisfactory
23:24<_shad>hehe
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23:36<aw>fwiw, remoteencoder.h needs a #include <pthread.h> (current cvs)
23:37<Chutt>done, thanks
23:41<rkulagow>chutt: was the sound patch any better this time, or are there still problems with it?
23:41<Chutt>i dunno
23:42<Chutt>i'm not sure if i like setting it to 70, regardless
23:43<rkulagow>do you mean the master mixer volume? i set it to 70 just to get it to something that's non-zero. do you have a different idea on what it should be?
23:43<Chutt>i don't like setting it to anything, i kinda think that that should be up to the user
23:44<rkulagow>do you mean setting the master mixer volume with an external mixer? i could leave that alone, and then just alter the PCM volume.
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23:47<Chutt>rkulagow, i dunno, lemme think about it more
23:47<Chutt>i've got your patch, and some guy from .nl sent me something i didn't like either =)
23:49<rkulagow>ok
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23:59<mirk_dt>Chutt: It looks like there may be a problem with the mailing list archives as linked from the mythtv.org web page.
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