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00:00<bigguy>Independent research always finds problems with aspertame but company sponsered research finds just the opposite
00:00<bigguy>kinda like MS sponsered research finds .... ;)
00:00<PeteCool>Monsanto... those are the genetically modified plants bullies right?
00:02<bigguy>yeah
00:02<bigguy>spenda is what I sweeten my tea with now
00:02<bigguy>gonna try some stevia soon
00:03<bigguy>since stevia has some nutritional value as well
00:04<bigguy>I've lost 12 lbs this week
00:04<PeteCool>hmm, is it worse to drink ~1 liter per day of regular or 1 liter of diet?
00:04<PeteCool>whoa
00:04<bigguy>low carb diets rule
00:04<PeteCool>but do you need to keep that eating discipline after you stabilized your weight?
00:04<PeteCool>oh wait
00:05<PeteCool>rethorical question
00:05<bigguy>PeteCool: well regular has sugar and sugar can be just as bad when consumed in quanity
00:05<bigguy>PeteCool: I like this diet
00:05<bigguy>PeteCool: I'm a big meat eater anyway
00:05<PeteCool>the best would be to dump soft drinks altogether...
00:06<bigguy>gonna get some keto bread and pasta soon to try out
00:06<PeteCool>carbs is? bread-type?
00:06<PeteCool>so you eat more meat less bread?
00:06<PeteCool>sorry, I speak french mostly, don't know the meaning of those words in english
00:06<PeteCool>hrm
00:06<bigguy>I eat alot of meat, cheeses and salads
00:07<bigguy>carbs == carbohydrates
00:07<PeteCool>that's cool, I like those... did you get your diet info on the net?
00:07<bigguy>PeteCool: no not really my dad's been on it for years cause it keeps his blood sugar level right
00:08<PeteCool>he's got diabetes?
00:08<bigguy>so I just look at the carb value on the labels of foods and restrict myslef to less than 45 grams a day
00:08<bigguy>PeteCool: yes he does
00:09<bigguy>I also take B vitamins, Potassium and a multivitamin
00:12<bigguy>my blood pressure is alot better now
00:14<bigguy>anyway bbiaf gonna go get some cheese and tea
00:22<bigguy>k back
00:25<PeteCool>your diet has a specific name? It might do me good, my doctor said I was only 20~25 pounds from my "ideal" weight
00:26<bigguy>`well there are many variations
00:27<bigguy>the one that I hear about alot is the Atkin's Diet
00:27<PeteCool>a few weeks, plus watching myself after that, and I could be fine... and run faster in gymnasium hockey :)
00:27<bigguy>but I don't know the difference
00:28<bigguy>well to maintain it all you do is slowly up the carb count but I still don't think I would ever go over 100 grams a day
00:29<bigguy>add slowly to it like 10g a week till you get to your desired level
00:29<bigguy>like I prolly will stop at 80g
00:29<bigguy>probably
00:30<bigguy>currently I am getting maybe 30 a day somedays less
00:30<bigguy>depends on what I eat
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00:31<PeteCool>that's not much... I'm eating way, way more than that everyday
00:33<bigguy>yeah I like today I had bacon and a omlet(sp) with ham,cheese,onions, and bell peppers
00:33<bigguy>for breakfast
00:34<bigguy>lunch was 2 hamburger patties with grilled onions and green beans and 2 raw carrots
00:34<bigguy>supper was pork loins and chef salad
00:35<bigguy>I even found some delicious chocolate and chocolate/carmel bars that are carb free that are made with splenda
00:36<bigguy>but I don't eat them that often because they cost a little more than regular bars
00:38<PeteCool>hm, this does make sense... I think I'll try cutting all the sugar (not aspartame yet though... just reduce how much I take)
00:38<bigguy>yeah
00:38<bigguy>reduce it for sure
00:38<PeteCool>if I start too fast I won't do it long enough
00:39<bigguy>look into splenda or stavia for alternative sweeteners if you can find them
00:39<bigguy>shouldn't be as hard to get stavia in Europe
00:39<PeteCool>I've got a big box of splenda
00:39<bigguy>I love splenda
00:40<PeteCool>I'm not in Europe though... Canada. I don't remember hearing stavia before
00:40<bigguy>sometimes I just take the individual packets and poor them in my mouth as a treat ;)
00:40<bigguy>stevia can be sold as a sweetener in Canada
00:41<bigguy>but the US fda is paid to keep it down
00:41<bigguy>they allow it only as a nutritional suppliment
00:41<bigguy>Health food stores carry it here
00:41<bigguy>dunno where you get it there
00:53<PeteCool>so, when are you gonna build your myth box?
00:54<bigguy>PeteCool: who knows. I have no $ atm to invest in Satalite
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15:16<yebyen>hmmm
15:16* yebyenwonders what he needs to do to update his database :X
15:17<rkulagow_>did you re-run cvs.sql?
15:17<yebyen>re-run?
15:17<rkulagow_>there have been some changes to the code lately; you will need to mysql -u root < cvs.sql
15:17<yebyen>i'm going from december cvs to current cvs...
15:17<yebyen>heh
15:17<yebyen>do i need anything more than cvs.sql?
15:18<rkulagow_>if mysql complains about tables already existing, then edit cvs.sql one line at a time, removing the lines that are causing problems.
15:18<rkulagow_>or just run the commands manually from mysql -u root and paste them in one at a time.
15:19<yebyen>it didn't complain about cvs.sql
15:19<rkulagow_>i don't think you need anything other than cvs.sql. of course, if you whack everything then you would do mc.sql
15:19<rkulagow_>well, good then.
15:19<rkulagow_>should be all you need.
15:19<yebyen>don't really want to whack everything, yeah
15:19<yebyen>got lots of stuff recorded
15:22<yebyen>updating for the new xmltv crap actually
15:34<Chutt>cvs.sql doesn't have all the updates in it
15:37<rkulagow_>i seem to recall you making a post to the mailing list after a cvs change about a week ago... in that case, yebyen, maybe i wasn't totally accurate.
15:38<Chutt>well, i've wiped cvs.sql sometimes
15:38<yebyen>hmm
15:38<Chutt>it'll always be current for anyone who is following cvs fairly regularly, though
15:38<Chutt>but not for someone that doesn't update for a couple months =)
15:41<rkulagow_>in that case, yeyben could re-run mc.sql, correct? there aren't any "drop" commands in there...
15:41<yebyen>hmmm
15:41<Chutt>that won't update existing tables
15:41<yebyen>no compilemo
15:41<rkulagow_>true
15:41<Chutt>best thing to do is look at what's changed in 0-7-to-0-8.sql and make the mods manually
15:41<yebyen>a buncha undefined references
15:41<yebyen>Chutt: if i just ran 0-7-to-0-8.sql, and removed lines it complained about...?
15:42<yebyen>do you have to do anything fancy to get mythtv to compile in debian now
15:42<rkulagow_>i sure am tempted to get that dell poweredge celeron 1.8Ghz with 2x120GB hard drives. $404 bucks. crazy.
15:42<Chutt>perhaps, i dunno
15:42<Chutt>yebyen, nope
15:42<Chutt>everything compiles fine.
15:43<yebyen>i'm getting undefined reference to a bunch of qt-related things...QTable::removeRow, QToolButton::uses3D
15:43<yebyen>maybe i'm actually missing some libraries? heh
15:43<yebyen>or pointing QTDIR at the wrong place even
15:44<yebyen>though QTDIR="/usr/share/qt"
15:44<yebyen>so
15:45<Chutt>you're compiling mythtv with a different version of gcc than qt was
15:45<yebyen>oh
15:46<yebyen>odd :) welp, updating my qt, we'll see how that goes
15:46<yebyen>libqt3-mt-dev seems to be the wrong package or somesuch
15:48<yebyen>yeah i was doing something stupid
15:51<yebyen>welp
15:51<yebyen>we'll see, i may have hosed my database or i may have gotten it updated properly.
15:55<yebyen>anusmo
16:02* yebyencleans out his recordings directory
16:08<rkulagow_>you know, you didn't have to delete your recordings. you could have used the myth.rebuilddatabase perl script.
16:16<yebyen>damnit
16:16<yebyen>heh
16:21<yebyen>ooh, setup seems cooler now somehow
16:21<yebyen>heh
16:25<yebyen>bah
16:25<yebyen>Undefined subroutine &XMLTV::ZapListings::getCurrentReleaseInfo called at /usr/bin/tv_grab_na line 946.
16:27<yebyen>Chutt: you around?
16:27<Chutt>yup
16:28<yebyen>Chutt: that look familiar at all?
16:28<Chutt>nope
16:28<Chutt>you're running two different versions of xmltv
16:28<yebyen>crappy
16:28<yebyen>heh
16:29<yebyen>oh, i am
16:29<yebyen>for some reason the one doesn't depend on the other
16:34<yebyen>HEH
16:39<yebyen>mythtv does volume now?
16:39<yebyen>hmm
16:39<yebyen>fun
16:51<yebyen>Connection timed out when I try live tv, that's the devil...
16:53<Chutt>read the docs
16:53<yebyen>yeah, i figured it was in there...
16:53<yebyen>heh
16:53<yebyen>doh, settings.txt
16:54<yebyen>and whatnot
16:55<yebyen>yeah, works fine.
16:57<yebyen>audio didn't, now it does... HEH
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17:54<PeteCool>Chutt: what part of myth are your mostly working on currently?
17:57<yebyen>i need to work on my site, heh
17:58<yebyen>it's stagnating
17:59<PeteCool>Is the funhouse theme author here?
17:59<yebyen>funhouse?
18:01<PeteCool>the flashy one
18:02<PeteCool>orange/yellow and blue
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19:06<yebyen>blarg
19:29<Justin_>are many people using the commercial skip patch?
19:31<Chutt>i'm attempting to fix it.
19:32<PeteCool>Justin_: I'm not using it yet... I don't think I'll even have the buttons on my remote to bind to (lame Leadtek on which almost every signal in bound to TWO different buttons (!)
19:32<Justin_>Chutt: fix in what way? programming style or correctness?
19:32<Chutt>correctness
19:37<PeteCool>Chutt: it's great to hear that - means it should be in cvs soonish?
19:37<Chutt>soon as it's fixed
19:44<Chutt>it doesn't work all that well, though
19:48<Justin_>i wish you could use edit mode search on livetv
19:48<Justin_>usually like this:
19:49<Justin_>right 5 minutes, left 1 minute, left 1 minute, right 20 seconds, left 5 seconds etc
19:51<PeteCool>Chutt: I think the *Scope viz fps could be upped a little, they're fairly inexpensive (10~15% total cpu load, ~7% when no viz, and I did up the fps on it in this compile)
19:51<Chutt>what are they set at now?
19:53<Chutt>well, the bumpscope one should be using quite a bit more cpu than the other two =)
19:53<Chutt>the other two are set to 30 fps
19:54<PeteCool>Stereoscope is now at 45, and, though the tv shouldn't see a diff, there is
19:54<PeteCool>Yeah, bumpscope brings my poor old celeron to its knees :)
19:54<Chutt>ok, i'll up em to 45 in my next commit
19:56<PeteCool>also upping synaestesia to 29fps helps a lot visually... it brings total cpu usage to the 40~70% range, though
19:56<PeteCool>I'll play with it some more
19:57<Chutt>yeah, i was fine with it at 30 fps
19:57<Chutt>but i figured other people weren't =)
19:59<PeteCool>26 fps should be near the sweet spot for my kind of cpu (900~1100 mhz athlon/duron, 1000~1400mhz celeron/p3)
19:59<PeteCool>anybody using mythmusic with slower stuff that you know of?
19:59<Chutt>i dunno
20:00<Chutt>the main thing, though, is you don't really want the vis to impact any recordings
20:00<PeteCool>then it won't happen here until a major upgrade :(
20:00<PeteCool>I think you'd really need an athlon xp|p4>1800 for that
20:01<Chutt>for the more cpu intensive ones, at least
20:01<PeteCool>I didn't try running top when recording, it would make the cpu drop frames for sure
20:01<PeteCool>The viz lose a few fps when I run top
20:02<PeteCool>with a refresh of 0.3 (that might be why it's dropping frames)
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20:06<Chutt>there, the commercial skip stuff is now in cvs
20:07<PeteCool>cool =)
20:08<PeteCool>26fps for synaesthesia isn't bad, average cpu usage went down nearly 10%, but there are still spikes at 70%... it isn't worth the smoothness loss
20:08<PeteCool>over 29~30fps
20:10<PeteCool>at least it can compile myth without losing anything in the viz/music
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20:50<PeteCool>Chutt: I've been seeing the apps starting twice too
21:09<PeteCool>Chutt: the best (for the end-user) solution to the viz fps would be to make it runtime-configurable, with suggested fps's... but I don't know if it's possible, didn't look at the code farther than the fps vars
21:22<PeteCool>the goverment of canada ("don't smoke") ads totally defeat the commercial skip patch
21:22<PeteCool>it an all-black screen with a little white text in the center
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21:59<JonnyRo>hello
21:59<JonnyRo>How can I play the .nuv files from the latest mythtv CVS
21:59<JonnyRo>mplayer chokes on them
22:00<bigguy>yeah cause they aren't regular .nuv files
22:00<bigguy>you need a patch for mplayer
22:01<JonnyRo>i'm using .90_r2
22:01<JonnyRo>would switching to .90_r4 help?
22:01<bigguy>no
22:01<JonnyRo>what ver is the patch against?
22:01<bigguy>it's not in the mplayer cvs that I know of
22:02<bigguy>well I'm not sure but I know it was working with r2
22:02<JonnyRo>where can I get the patch?
22:03<bigguy>http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/mythtv/
22:03<JonnyRo>does myth create .nuv files even when it's set to use mpeg4?
22:03<bigguy>yeah
22:03<bigguy>nuv is just a container file
22:04<JonnyRo>gotcha
22:04<JonnyRo>i need to buy a new hard drive
22:04<JonnyRo>i only had 15 gigs left on my pc when i installed myth
22:04<bigguy>heh
22:04<JonnyRo>so i can hold maybe 18 hours or so
22:04<JonnyRo>maybe a bit more
22:04<JonnyRo>but not much more
22:04<bigguy>I need a job.
22:04<bigguy>:P
22:05<JonnyRo>Where did you used to work?
22:05<bigguy>I worked as a nurse aid for my cousin until my uncle became a prick
22:05<JonnyRo>not a very good job market for nurse aid's these days?
22:06<bigguy>heh I don't have training as one
22:06<JonnyRo>are you in school?
22:06<bigguy>I have a 2yr degree.
22:06<bigguy>not in school atm
22:07<bigguy>but I am in an EMT training class
22:07<JonnyRo>cool
22:07<bigguy>it's held at the local volunteer fire department ;)
22:09<JonnyRo>can you control the brightness in mythtv?
22:09<JonnyRo>Why not get a job programming for someone
22:10<JonnyRo>if you know enough to write patches for mplayer
22:10<yebyen>blarg
22:10<bigguy>JonnyRo: I didn't write a patch ;)
22:10<JonnyRo>Oh, whose patch is this?
22:10<JonnyRo>that you showed me
22:10<bigguy>JonnyRo: I did do some programming in school but I was mostly a netware/linux/cisco networking junkie
22:11<bigguy>JonnyRo: mdz's
22:11<yebyen>i feel a programming career coming on
22:11* yebyenis a code monkey at heart
22:11<JonnyRo>ah
22:11<bigguy>course my school really sucked in the programming department
22:12<JonnyRo>Is three a way to control the brightness in mythtv
22:12<JonnyRo>er three
22:12<JonnyRo>er there
22:12<bigguy>they didn't want you going above what the book said to do
22:12<JonnyRo>wierd spelling
22:12<bigguy>cause some of the teachers only knew what the book said ;)
22:12<yebyen>i think i need to install some other mythtv junk :)
22:13<bigguy>JonnyRo: I dunno. I am not running myth atm
22:13<bigguy>JonnyRo: I just follow all the lists ;)
22:13<yebyen>mythweather looks spiffy
22:14<bigguy>yebyen: yes from the shots I have seen I have to agree
22:14<yebyen>well, i'm installing it right now.
22:14<yebyen>i'll use it a lot, i'm always on weather.com
22:16<bigguy>I just look out the window
22:16<bigguy>if the weathers bad I know it ;)
22:16<yebyen>i'm in a basement
22:16<bigguy>basement dweller eh? Do you like it pitch black when you're on the comp?
22:17<yebyen>occasionally
22:18<yebyen>i'm a couch computing kind of guy
22:18<JonnyRo>wild
22:18<JonnyRo>i couldnt work on the couch
22:18<bigguy>yebyen have you ever heard of a commercial linux convergence box called moxi?
22:18<JonnyRo>gotta run, homework time
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22:18<yebyen>can't say i have
22:18<bigguy>I'm sitting on a bar stool with a back
22:18<bigguy>http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2161
22:19<bigguy>look at some of the shots
22:22<yebyen>woot
22:25<yebyen>i'll keep using mythtv of course ;)
22:26<bigguy>yeah I was just saying
22:26<bigguy>that thing isn't shipping yet
22:26<yebyen>heh
22:26<bigguy>and MythTV already does what it does and then some ;)
22:27<yebyen>heh
22:27<yebyen>mythweather is cool
22:27<Chutt>moxi's been vaporware for years.
22:27<yebyen>freezing rain sucks though
22:29<yebyen>mythvideo has a readme, and it doesn't actually say what it does
22:29<yebyen>heh
22:29<Chutt>mythvideo is a program in need of a maintainer
22:29<yebyen>does it do anything in particular?
22:30<bigguy>it asks yebyen to take over coding
22:30<yebyen>i remember hearing it was supposed to let you watch other video sources
22:30<Chutt>it lists video files in a directory
22:30<yebyen>like files and dvds
22:30<Chutt>and lets you run a external program on them
22:30<yebyen>HEH
22:30<yebyen>well that's not particularly interesting
22:30<Justin_>yes it is
22:31<Justin_>it lets you browse a dir full of movies
22:31<Chutt>it's silly
22:31<yebyen>mythgallery sounds like i should use it for porn
22:31<Chutt>but, whatever
22:31<yebyen>REMOTE KONTROK PR0N
22:31<Chutt>as long as someone is going to maintain it, i don't care
22:31<yebyen>whoa, i didn't just volunteer, did I? :)
22:31<Chutt>no, you didn't
22:32<yebyen>*phew*
22:34<yebyen>i like some of the stuff on this Iulius site :)
22:35<Chutt>yebyen, so, some guy redid mythtv.org using phpnuke
22:35<Chutt>should i use it? =)
22:36<bigguy>Chutt: do you like what he did?
22:36<yebyen>Chutt: i've never actually seen phpnuke
22:36<bigguy>Chutt: what does it look like
22:36<Chutt>it looks ok
22:36<Chutt>hrm, i've got it running here, but not externally accessible
22:36<Chutt>yebyen, i was just curious if you had anything against it in particular =)
22:37<yebyen>Chutt: pretty sure i've heard people cursing at it in the past, but I have nothing for or against it.
22:38<yebyen>Chutt: damned xmltv changes mean i've actually missed a week of tv, being in florida
22:40<rkulagow_>chutt: i've tried tried to get mark musone interested in mythvideo again; he CVSed a f'ed up mythexplorer file. i tried to fix it, but since i don't run mythvideo i don't know if it was the right thing.
22:40<rkulagow_>tony clark, gentoo portage guy is MIA also; mailbox is full.
22:40<PeteCool>Chutt: unless they optimized phpnuke a LOT since last year you'll need a preyy powerful server to get decent output
22:41<PeteCool>Chutt: postnuke was a bit better and still compatible with phpnuke modules/themes at that time
22:41<PeteCool>haven't checked lately though
22:42<yebyen>ok, someone brief me
22:42<yebyen>what's phpnuke/postnuke?
22:42<yebyen>"Check google!"
22:44<yebyen>Chutt: have you seen dev.nerdland.org?
22:44<PeteCool>they're a content management system
22:44<Chutt>i just want mythtv.org to look nicer
22:44<Chutt>and also make it easier for me to update crap
22:44<yebyen>Chutt: it's not fully functional yet, but it's sexy
22:44<PeteCool>Chutt: *nuke is just too clunky IMHO
22:44<PeteCool>I'd use something slimmer
22:45<yebyen>i'm currently writing submission, it's already got basic user/passwd shit
22:45<Chutt>i don't want to do anything for it, though =)
22:45<Chutt>got better stuff to spend time on
22:45<PeteCool>*nuke is everything and the kitchen sink, and the neighbour's sink too
22:47<PeteCool>hmm, from the screenshots postnuke seems to have gotten better defaults
22:48<yebyen>my layout owns it
22:49<yebyen>*runs*
22:50<yebyen>anyone looking at it in a non-mozilla browser?
22:50<yebyen>i'm curious how it does
22:50<yebyen>it should do fine, it's xhtml strict :X
22:51<yebyen>heh
22:54<yebyen>ooh, it's nasty in konq
22:56<yebyen>well, i'll have to fix that somehow
23:19<PeteCool>if you're really meeting xhtml strict, you should file a kde bug instead
23:27<yebyen>PeteCool: i've got some weird css tricks though...
23:27<yebyen>PeteCool: it still validates, but it's weird
23:28<yebyen>looks fine in IE and Moz though :X
23:28<yebyen>all of the crap i have to go through because i can't use a child selector
23:28<yebyen>goddamn IE
23:34<yebyen>hrm, what do I have to do to get a mythfrontend running without a mythbackend again?
23:34<yebyen>point mysql.txt at the right database...
23:35<PeteCool>I think you had to modify one line in the source code
23:35<PeteCool>hrm
23:36<yebyen>damn
23:36<PeteCool>wrong answer
23:36<PeteCool>that's when you want mythbackend without X
23:36<yebyen>oh, heh
23:36<yebyen>yeah i'm looking for a mythfrontend on my laptop to connect to the mythbox
23:37<yebyen>it still tries localhost
23:38<Chutt>so edit the file that says to connect to localhost
23:38<yebyen>heh
23:38<yebyen>happen to remember which that is?
23:38<Chutt>mythfrontend's main.cpp
23:39<yebyen>there we go
23:45<yebyen>woo