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00:00<Timon>hahahaha
00:00<Timon>Just make sure you aren't the only one who follows through :-)
00:00<yebyen>hahah
00:00<yebyen>we've talked about hating pants all year
00:01<Timon>haha. I hate shirts. I would most definelty take my shirt off!
00:01<Timon>And, I would let my beer/wife's a good cook belly hang out
00:01<yebyen>we mentioned the plan in front of one of the 3 girls in the class
00:01<yebyen>and she's like "Ooh what about us can we take our pants off?"
00:02<Timon>I would be like HELLS yeah. But, you must wear a thong :-)
00:02<yebyen>unfortunately we have one of those girls who you'd prefer to gouge your eyes out rather than see with less than normal clothing
00:02<Timon>hahhahahaa
00:03<yebyen>so we told her no, and she didn't get why
00:03<yebyen>"Well how about we take our shirts off instead?"
00:03<danc_>kids these days
00:04<Timon>woo hoo, boobies!
00:04<yebyen>yeah
00:04<yebyen>so hell, i'm not going to stop her
00:06<Timon>dude, this is funny. I just told my wife I'm thinkin about going to college this fall, and she said "You just can't joing a sorierioty (sp?)"
00:06<Timon>Its all I could do to keep from laughing.
00:06<yebyen>heheh
00:07<Timon>I had to inform here, I'm not of the right sex to join one :-)
00:07<yebyen>bahahah
00:07<danc_>did she bar you from a frat?
00:07<Timon>she said 'You can visit, you just can't joing one'
00:08<yebyen>hahah
00:08<Timon>argh, and she just added 'And no looking at girls. I don't want you falling for a younger chick' (My wife is 21)
00:09<yebyen>hahah
00:10<yebyen>i wish page-down actually did a page down
00:10<yebyen>heh
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00:10<yebyen>it just moves down a line if you're already at the bottom of the page
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03:00<planetjay>anyone here awake?
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07:42<yebyen>hrm
07:43<yebyen>looks like the commercial skip doesn't see the big long 2-minute ones
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10:10<eli>commercial skip really gets confused watching jackass...
10:10<eli>its nothing but 30 second or so bit with blank frames between them
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11:57<rickter>I have a channel change in my local area. It updated for tomorrow's date, but i'm still seeing the old channel layout in today's lineup. How would I force Myth to update today's data?
11:57<divine_poptix>i've really got to change the priority level of my mythtv folder
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12:06<rickter>or rather, is there any way to force mythfilldatabase to update today's data
12:11<Chutt>if you go into the db and delete todays listings, then it'll regrab them
12:15<mdz_>a --force option or such to mythfilldatabase would be nice if someone wants an easy project
12:16<Chutt>yup
12:16<rickter>hmmm, i'm not really confident enough in mysql to remove db entries. i guess i'll just wait for it to cycle out
12:17<eli>hmm
12:18<Chutt>whoops, broke remote playback
12:18<eli>for some reason 'QUERY_RECORDINGS Delete' is giving kinda weird output
12:18<eli>thuse breaking recorded.php..
12:18<Chutt>make sure you've updated mythweb
12:19<eli>oh ok
12:19<Chutt>ie, my commit earlier today to mythweb: Fix the backend communication for Matt's change last night.
12:20<eli>oh yep
12:20<eli>that'll do it
12:21<rickter>ah, just emptied the whole db, that did refreshed it. good, my girlfriend was really sick of watching cspan where her trading spaces episodes were supposed to be :D
12:21<eli>was it just that a record is 16 fields now?
12:21<Chutt>yup
12:21<eli>damn trading spaces....
12:22<eli>should rename it "trades spaces archive program..."
12:22<rickter>lol
12:22<rickter>yah, she wants to keep them all
12:22<rickter>for ideas
12:23<eli>that show is only good for the last 2 mins and only if they totaly destroyed a room, then its just fun to watch them prettend they like it
12:23<rickter>yah, or cry like that one lady did
12:23<eli>thats funny
12:23<eli>the british show its based off of was better
12:23ChuttMar 06 12:23:57 <eli> they where a lot more vocal about how much they hated the rooms
12:23<mdz_>Chutt: I knew there was one more thing to change that I missed :-)
12:24<eli>and the dsigners where a lot worse
12:24<Chutt>mdz, it's a recent change =)
12:24* elisings up for the cvs commit mailing list..
12:24<Chutt>that didn't exist
12:34<Chutt>hrm
12:34<Chutt>this silly live-preview window causes all sorts of trouble
12:34<mdz_>yep
12:39<Chutt>i hope this extra qApp->lock() nonsense fixes the qsocket threading issues
12:44<Chutt>hrmph
12:44<Chutt>need to decide what to do about VIA
12:44<moegreen>Chutt: I've got most of this playback box done already, i've got it playing back and deleting. Updated screenshots http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/
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12:45<Chutt>moegreen, looks nice
12:45<Chutt>think some sort of indicator that there's more above or below in the list would be possible?
12:46<moegreen>yeah, I've got a variable that is set when that is the case, I've got to make some arrows w/ photoshop
12:46<Chutt>cool.
12:47<Chutt>could i see the code?
12:47<Chutt>curious =)
12:47<moegreen>Nathan also suggested an option to view by the category of the show, but I wasn't sure if that's saved or not.
12:47<Chutt>the category's not saved
12:47<Chutt>it could be, though
12:48<moegreen>Yeah, I'll send you the playbackbox.cpp and .h file. It's kinda messy at this point, and I'm having a problem - when it's playing back the screen is trying to update, so I set a variable to stop the update from occuring when it's playing back, but it doesn't seem to get unset at the right time, maybe I need to force an update after I unset it???
12:49<moegreen>Most of the functions that had a ProgramListItem passed to it now have just ProgramInfo passed to it
12:50<moegreen>I thought the categories might be a nice addition
12:51<Chutt>yeah, things can be modified to store the category pretty easily
12:52<Chutt>hmm
12:52<Chutt>looks like i broke seeking on a remote file
12:53<moegreen>ok, i sent the stuff to you cwru email
12:53<Chutt>thanks
12:53<Chutt>i'll check it out =)
12:56<Timon>Chutt, I recompiled (again) mythgame from a clean check out of cvs and ran it in gdb. I'm still getting the ??'s you spoke of in your email to the list. I compiled it with debugging on.
12:56<Timon>Any suggestions?
12:57<Chutt>make sure it's not stripping the binary
12:59<Timon>I checked both Makefile's in mythgame, no stripping going on.
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13:29<mdz_>Timon: make sure you're running the binary and libraries that you think you are
13:31<Chutt>moegreen, seen http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/images/playback-interface-II-show.png
13:32<moegreen>do you mean the light gray vs white?
13:33<Chutt>yeah
13:33<Chutt>and i like the additional shadowing =)
13:33<moegreen>i had emailed Nathan and asked him (before I saw this) and he mentioned it...I just haven't had time to code it
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13:34<moegreen>The shadowing can be done with the png files, i suppose I could make it more pronounce with some additional coding
13:34<Chutt>well
13:34<Chutt>i do like how he has it as a separate file
13:34<moegreen>I wasn't sure how to make photoshop make more shadowing
13:34<Chutt>it wouldn't be difficult to just draw a pixmap on top of all the text and stuff once that's done
13:35<Chutt>especially with how you're doing things
13:35<moegreen>Do you think I should have one file as the background tranparency, one for the left side and then an overlay for the right side?
13:35<Chutt>well, hmm
13:36<moegreen>It can certainly be layed more, but I think it will affect the performance some
13:36<moegreen>errr layered :)
13:36<Chutt>how slow is what you've got going?
13:36<moegreen>it's pretty quick...my PC is kinda slow, but it responds as fast as the program guide does (I think)
13:36<Chutt>ok
13:37<moegreen>I've got the png files being optimized and that helpd
13:37<Chutt>that's fine, since there's speed limitations due to the live preview window anyway
13:38<moegreen>I think adding more layers to it won't be a problem, I just made up the graphics I have now real quick b/c I wanted to focus on the coding of the interface more than how it looks (as I am notorious for awesome graphics and all)
13:38<Chutt>=)
13:39<Timon>mdz_, I have a compile script I wrote which does: rm -rf /usr/local/lib/myth*; rm -rf /usr/local/bin/myth*; then it does a make clean; make distclean and make install for all the modules
13:39<Chutt>i do think he's giving a little too much vertical space to the list
13:39<moegreen>Yeah, it is too much esp. for the delete listing
13:39<Chutt>moegreen, just stuff like the fading text to the top and bottom of the left box looks fairly slick
13:39<moegreen>Although from my screenshots I kinda wanted to make the recording playback a little bigger
13:40<moegreen>That should be easy to do with different layers there
13:40<Chutt>yeah
13:40<mdz_>Timon: try removing /usr/include/mythtv
13:40<moegreen>Base Layer: the background transparency, Text Layer, Top Layer, etc.
13:40<Timon>mdz, will do
13:40<Chutt>yeah
13:41<moegreen>that's just adding a little bit of code to the paintEvents sections
13:41<Chutt>moegreen, and should be fairly easy to do programmatically, we can just add a list of images to paste on top in like the theme xml
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13:41<Chutt>so theme creators can add extra stuff like transparency to it, or not
13:41<Chutt>if they want to
13:42<moegreen>I've also changed the listing of show times to have the time in it's own column to keep it straight
13:43<Timon>mdz_: Updated my script, recompiling right now
13:43<moegreen>Nathan mentioned to have the date show the name of the day too
13:43<Chutt>it should be configurable
13:43<Chutt>i'd say
13:44<moegreen>But overall - does the code look ok?
13:44<Chutt>yeah
13:44<moegreen>The graphics I have actually look pretty good for all the themes
13:44<Chutt>i need to look into it a little more
13:44<Chutt>since i just glanced at it
13:45<Chutt>was trying to fix what went into my last commit
14:00<Timon>mdz_: Same thing. Same exact bt full that I posted to the list last night. I'm trying one more thing (Found some references to strip in MC/configure and re-running)
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14:05<Chutt>why are you compiling the stuff in MC?
14:05<Chutt>only mythgame should matter
14:06<Timon>in case mythgame was linked against any of the libs from MC.
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14:07<Timon>Thats my only thought as to why all the debug info wasn't showing up. I just did a tail on /usr/local/bin/mythgame and I see the symbol table in there.
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14:26<Chutt>moegreen, is that the best way to scroll through multiple pages of program?
14:26<moegreen>you mean the switching to the top at each pagebreak?
14:26<Chutt>yeah
14:27<Chutt>having pagebreaks at all, really
14:27<moegreen>I thought it was better, at least that way you can see what's coming
14:27<Chutt>you can't see what's coming if you're at the bottom of the list
14:27<moegreen>I could make the text scroll like on the left hand side
14:27<moegreen>that's true
14:29<moegreen>it's certainly the easiest way to do it :) It's certainly something that can change, I just wanted to make it usable to start with
14:29<Chutt>yeah
14:29<moegreen>I've got it to redraw the stuff after it returns from watching a show now
14:30<moegreen>Any preference as to which way it should scroll (like it is, like a normal list box, or with the scrolling text)
14:30<Chutt>hmm
14:30<moegreen>is it responsive on your machine
14:30<moegreen>?
14:30<Chutt>you know how the current stuff always makes sure that there's at least one entry below and above the current one?
14:30<Chutt>that kinda makes sense
14:30<Chutt>it's a little slow to startup
14:30<Chutt>but after that, it's fine
14:31<moegreen>I think that's the initial loading and optimizing of the png file into memory, I'm not sure how to make it any faster
14:31<Chutt>noticed there were a couple extra qpixmap->qimage conversions
14:31<Chutt>in the draw functions
14:32<moegreen>yeah, I wasn't sure what the bgimage variable did - so I left it alone
14:34<Chutt>actually, it seems faster if i comment out the optimization calls
14:35<moegreen>hmm...well I guess that's possible...I figured it would help with the transparentcy of the background
14:36<Chutt>heh
14:36<Chutt>i think it starts/stops the player a little too often =)
14:37<moegreen>yeah, i've got that fixed - I think
14:37<moegreen>is it just doing it in a loop?
14:38<Chutt>in a loop? no
14:38<Chutt>whenever something overdrew the window
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14:38<Chutt>i was switching to kmail and noticed the killing player/starting player debug output
14:39<moegreen>hmm...I had some timer start calls in the paint event at one point, but though I got rid of those
14:41<Chutt>i'd like to see the thing be more configurable
14:41<Chutt>like, all the positions in the theme file
14:43<moegreen>yeah, that was on my list of things to do. I figured the theme could setup a box to put the show list times in and the program could figure out the best spacing, etc
14:43<Chutt>yup
14:44<Chutt>and you could even select where and how large to draw the preview vid
14:44<Chutt>and what text to display below it, etc
14:44<Chutt>but very nice so far =)
14:45<rkulagow>chutt: i'm still working on the setup for mythmusic. the easy way out is to setup a lineedit for all the things that we talked about like the visualizations, the tree sorting, etc. is that going to be ok? i know we want to not use the keyboard as much as possible, but we already need to for things like the directory path.
14:45<Chutt>i'd rather not use a line edit for the vis stuff
14:45<Chutt>everything else is ok, though
14:45<rkulagow>ok. is there a way to have two columns for the checkboxes vs. spreading over multiple pages?
14:45<moegreen>yeah, it's a prototype and since there should be plenty of time to work out everything for the next next release =)
14:46<Chutt>rkulagow, why two columns of checkboxes?
14:47<r1ckt3r>is anyone else not able to delete items under recorded on mythweb? It's responds ok, but doesn't remove the entry. Using CVS from a couple hours ago
14:47<rkulagow>there are something like 9 or 10 visualization choices, and they don't fit all on the same page.
14:47<Chutt>ah
14:47<Chutt>hmm
14:48<Chutt>well, you could use a horizontalconfiguratinogroup
14:48<Chutt>with two vertical configuration groups in it
14:49<rkulagow>ok, i'll take a look and see if i can figure it out.
14:50<Chutt>i think the resolution settings use a horizontal config group
14:50<Chutt>if you want to see how that's done
14:51<rkulagow>well, it's going to be a learning experience, i'm sure. i've got to setup the horizontal, with two verticals, and then write out a string based on the checkbox values. we'll see how it goes.
14:53<rkulagow>my other "personal wish list" is to get the program guide data incorporated into the video file itself so that if the database gets whacked we still know what each program is. the existing myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script requires you to enter the titles manually.
14:54<Chutt>yeah
14:54<Chutt>rkulagow, i'll do that after 0.8 =)
14:54<moegreen>Chutt: do you think I should also have the info at the bottom of the screen be setup to use the drawText functions instead of the QT widgets? That would certainly give the theme designer a lot more freedom with the screen
14:55<Chutt>yeah, i don't see why not
14:55<Chutt>and it'd allow us to do the simple text effects that the menu does
14:55<Chutt>shadow/outline, etc
14:56<mdz_>rkulagow: if you're not going to be saving the settings directly into the database in the usual way, you'll probably just want to override the top-level save(db) on the configuration group
14:56<mdz_>rkulagow: look at the xmltv config stuff for an example
14:57<eli><- personal wishlist is to have backend clusters and the frontend would find one with a free video source and use it and you could access recordings from any backend from any frontend
14:57<mdz_>rkulagow: or make a MultiSelectSetting
14:57<mdz_>nothing else needed one, so I never made one
14:57<Chutt>eli, wow, just like current cvs works?
14:57<eli>oh ok then
14:57<eli>:)
14:58<eli>how to you tell it you have another backend server?
14:59<Chutt>you setup the other backend server, then run mythbackend on it
14:59<eli>yeah but how does the frontend know to look for it if its primary backend video source is busy recording?
14:59<Chutt>it doesn't need to
15:00<Chutt>the frontend always talks to the master backend server
15:00<eli>oh
15:00<Chutt>the master backend decides where the frontend should look for free tuners
15:01<eli>so the master backend redirects the frontend to the secondary backend.. or does it kinda proxy it though
15:01<Chutt>it tells it where to go, the frontend connects directly to it after that
15:02<eli>cool
15:03<eli>eventaly i want to have a frontend on top of every tv in the house (4 tvs) and have 4 backends in the basement managing everything
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15:38<nziarek>I don't mean to be so Newbie, but, "is this thing on" <tap><tap>
15:38<moegreen>hey
15:42<nziarek>yay :) never used IRC before
15:42<r1ckt3r>welcome in to the fold <G>
15:44<nziarek>thanks. so, do people just keep this open in case a question arises...I ask only because there isn't any talking going on
15:44<nziarek>I am not bothering anyone, am I?
15:44<moegreen>people come and go
15:45<r1ckt3r>with spurts of conversation
15:47<nziarek>ah. thanks...i can be quiet now :)
15:48<moegreen>heh, that being said if you've got something to say, say it - but if you get ignored - don't take it personally
15:49<moegreen>=)
15:49<eli>now who's not paying attention...
15:50<r1ckt3r>i got completely ignored earlier when i asked a question
15:50<nziarek>i'm here! just playing with the menus on mIRC...
15:50<nziarek>i don't have much to give in the way of helping others out. just thought it would be interesting to read what goe son "behind the scenes" of MythTV...
15:51<r1ckt3r>ditto, i know zilch about coding beyond a little bit of perl
15:52<eli>make a web page of a summary of whats going on the mailing lists
15:52<eli>like that kernel one
15:52<nziarek>Yeah - little bit of ASP here.
15:52<nziarek>I have fun designing the UIs though
15:53<r1ckt3r>yah, me and my girlfriend might try a hand at that, I really dig your mythweb2 idea
15:55<nziarek>thanks...it is a little slow is my only problem with it...I can't figure out my each time you click on a link the shadows need to be re-downloaded instead of just displayed. Sloppy HTML right now, though...
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16:05ChuttMar 06 16:05:26 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:26 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:26 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:27 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:28 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:28 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:29 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:29 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:29 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:29 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:30 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:31 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:32 Chutt Mar 06 16:05:32 Chutt Mar 06 16:13:50 <planetjay> anyone here for a newbie question?
16:14<eli>ok
16:14<eli>but i probably don't know the answer anywya
16:14<eli>but i am very bored
16:14<planetjay>on a virgin linux install... How do you make the video work?
16:14<planetjay>there's no /dev/video
16:14<eli>redhat?
16:15<planetjay>mandrake this time
16:15<planetjay>but I caould reload redhat
16:15<planetjay>could
16:15<planetjay>and would if I have too
16:16<planetjay>is there a site with the answers?
16:16<eli>search for video4linux howto or something
16:16<r1ckt3r>bytesex.org is a good place to start
16:16<planetjay>it seems that freevo and mythtv both assume that your video already works
16:16<r1ckt3r>yah
16:16<r1ckt3r>what kind of tuner card?
16:17<planetjay>ATI All-In-Wonder Rage 128 (16meg)
16:17<planetjay>pci
16:17<eli>http://bytesex.org/bttv/
16:17<eli>thats what you need to get setup right, the bttv driver
16:18<bigguy> umm
16:18<planetjay>I installed this: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php
16:18<bigguy>planetjay: are you using the Rage128 to display to your monitor?
16:18<planetjay>but it didn't change things
16:18<planetjay>yes big
16:19<planetjay>Should I install a second card?
16:19<planetjay>for output?
16:19<bigguy>yeah plus I'm not sure that the rage128 is supported by the gatos tv tuner drivers
16:19<eli>i dono never used an a-i-w
16:19<r1ckt3r>ditto, i use hauppauge
16:20<planetjay>hmmm
16:20<eli>yeah same here
16:20<bigguy>all in wonders aren't recommended for use under linux as a tv tuner
16:20<planetjay>I have a bunch of old Hauppauge cards
16:20<r1ckt3r>wintv 401? that's what i got and it works great
16:21<planetjay>wintv
16:21<planetjay>no numbers
16:21<planetjay>first model
16:21<planetjay>:)
16:21<planetjay>isa bus
16:21<eli>that'd work
16:21<bigguy>planetjay: no numbers on the card at all?
16:21<bigguy>hmm
16:21<bigguy>isa tv card
16:21<planetjay>not like wintvxxx
16:21<planetjay>just wintv
16:21<planetjay>from 1996 I think
16:21<eli>didn't know they ever made isa tv cards...
16:22<Timon>Yup, used to have one
16:22<planetjay>that's how old they are
16:22<planetjay>I should have about 5 in a box somewhere
16:22<Timon>When you switch the tv tuner on, it takes over vga output (The tv cards have ga pass through on them)
16:22<planetjay>and some Motion output cards too
16:22<eli>wow
16:23<planetjay>not sure if the motion cards are usefull
16:23<planetjay>all from about 1996
16:24<planetjay>from a failed experiment by a local Utility company I contracted to
16:24<planetjay>One of the employees got all the wintv and motion cards
16:24<planetjay>and traded a bunch to me
16:25<planetjay>Picture them playing a training video on the motion card and watching it on the WinTV card
16:26<planetjay>that was before I asked why they did that
16:26<planetjay>so anyway
16:26<poptix>wtf
16:26<poptix>TNT is playing the same segment over and over
16:27<eli>real-tv?
16:27<eli>oh wait thats tnn
16:28<planetjay>I don't really NEED a tuner. I can just take audio and video straight from satellite
16:28<planetjay>is there a site with WinTV linux drivers?
16:28<eli>http://bytesex.org/bttv/
16:28<planetjay>those are WinTV too
16:29<planetjay>ok
16:29<eli>or see /usr/src/linux
16:30<planetjay>I'm gonna look for a v4linux howto first
16:33<poptix>planetjay: the wintv cards work fine, and the driver comes with the kernel
16:34<poptix>planetjay: if you're running any modern linux distro (such as RedHat) it'll detect the card and load the proper module (bttv)
16:34<planetjay>Thank you all! I'm gonna lurk for a while and go look for a WinTV card. BBL
16:34<planetjay>oh ok
16:34<planetjay>running Mandrake 9.0 but probably going back to REDHAT 8.0
16:35<poptix>mandrake should be fine as well, although you might have a few issues compiling mythtv -- they're all documented in the FAQ/HOW-TO
16:35<planetjay>actually compiling Myth worked
16:35<planetjay>I just need working video first it seems
16:39<poptix>i'd use xawtv to verify that the hardware is working properly.
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16:41<Chutt>heh
16:42* poptixlooks at Chutt
16:42<Chutt>long call with work
16:42<mdz_>Chutt: you are ok with not having per-recording profiles for 0.8, right?
16:42<Chutt>yup
16:42<mdz_>in the ui
16:42<Chutt>yup
16:42<mdz_>ok, because there is no way I will have it done tomorrow
16:42<Chutt>was planning on disabling that 'create new profile' bit
16:42<mdz_>yep
16:42<Timon>when is .8 scheduled for release?
16:43<Chutt>week or so
16:44<Timon>coo
16:48<poptix>i got bored
16:48<poptix>whipped up something to scream channels via mythweb
16:48<mdz_>scream?
16:48<poptix>er, stream
16:48<eli>in mythweb ?
16:48<poptix>yes, it says CHANNEL 9 IS SHOWING THE NEWS!
16:48<poptix>=p
16:48<poptix>really loud, of course.
16:49<eli>haha
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16:50<poptix>no, i used vcr to write to a file, and whipped up a little cgi to feed the video out
16:50<poptix>mostly useless, but like I said, i was bored.
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16:52<eli>vcr writes what to a file?
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17:51<poptix>eli: whatever you want it to
17:53<poptix>Chutt: there's some kind of bug in the ringbuffer code
17:53<Chutt>hmm?
17:53<poptix>it's confused about how far behind I am, because it's letting me fast forward into the past
17:53<Chutt>how far into the past?
17:53<poptix>well, all the way into the past
17:53<Chutt>like, all the way around?
17:53<poptix>ie, ahead of where 'now' is being written
17:53<poptix>yeah.
17:54<Chutt>that's pretty impossible
17:54<poptix>well
17:54<Chutt>since it wouldn't be seeking to the correct places in the file to do that
17:54<poptix>i'm looking at the first 15 minutes of the x files
17:54<Chutt>heh
17:54<poptix>when it's 16:57 here, and i should be watching the end
17:54<Chutt>hmm
17:54<poptix>shit, now it locked up
17:54<Chutt>current cvs?
17:55<poptix>as of lastnight or so
17:55<poptix>maybe the night before
17:55<Chutt>ah
17:55<Chutt>well, i'll look at it
17:55<poptix>it wasn't playing smoothly, real choppy and stuttering
17:55<poptix>i had paused it for ~20 minutes while i went down to get a drink
17:56<bigguy>Chutt: I can definitely
17:56<bigguy>tell a difference
17:56<bigguy>with flac that is
17:56<bigguy>even mp3's at 320 seem to lack something
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18:41<yebyen>commercial skip owns me
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18:42<yebyen>only thing it doesn't get along with are these damned middle-of-the-night two minute commercials
18:43<TheAsp>hmm... is not recording repeats broken right now?
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18:43<yebyen>huh?
18:43<yebyen>dunno
18:43<yebyen>it hasn't been working for me
18:43<yebyen>in ages
18:44<TheAsp>i think it worked last week, but can't remember
18:44<TheAsp>my schedule usually has repeats conflicted out
18:44<yebyen>i get the same episode of voyager twice a night
18:44<yebyen>i've got two FOX's
18:44<yebyen>heh
18:44<TheAsp>i got curb your enthusiasm twice last night
18:44<TheAsp>same channel, same description
18:45<yebyen>odd
18:45<yebyen>well, i'll ask Chutt when he's in
18:45<TheAsp>i think he reads scrollback :)
18:45<yebyen>oh =]
18:48<mdz>TheAsp: I changed some things in that area last night. what are you seeing specifically?
18:49<TheAsp>this was last nights build
18:49<TheAsp>it just recorded a show twice is all :)
18:50<yebyen>yeah
18:50<yebyen>mdz: i've had the same thing for a while...
18:50<TheAsp>ill make another build tonight and see if i can find a repeat of something in my db
18:50<yebyen>mdz: only it's on two different shows
18:50<yebyen>err two different channels
18:50<yebyen>pretty sure it's the same description exactly
18:51<TheAsp>mine was same channel, few hours apart
18:53<mdz>yebyen: was yours the same day too?
18:53<yebyen>mdz: one was about midnight, the other was 2am
18:53<yebyen>i think
18:53<TheAsp>technically, mine was on different days :)
18:54<mdz>because I'm pretty sure there was a long-standing problem where it doesn't find duplicates the same day
18:54<TheAsp>i think
18:54<mdz>that is, the same scheduler calc
18:54<yebyen>mdz: that may be the bug
18:54<mdz>I think the solution may be to kick the scheduler to re-scan after a recording is finished
18:55<yebyen>mdz: woot
18:55<TheAsp>didn't it used to do that? back when it used to print out "not recording blah . . ."
18:55<mdz>TheAsp: that was a debugging statement I accidentally commited a long time ago
18:55<mdz>when I was trying to figure out why it didn't prune out some duplicates
18:55<yebyen>yeah, 12am to 1am and 2am to 3am
18:55<TheAsp>*nod*
18:55<TheAsp>i just remember it working those days :)
18:56<mdz>it should be much easier to see what is going on now, because you can see when duplicates are being suppressed
18:56<Chutt>sweet
18:56<Chutt>so the remote backend stuff mostly works for bruce, too
18:56<TheAsp>in the conflicts screen?
18:56<yebyen>mdz: that would be good, because as it stands, I miss macgyver at 2am because it records voyager twice
18:56<mdz>TheAsp: yep
18:56<yebyen>heh
18:57<TheAsp>mdz: grey'd out? i have conflicts at the same time curb y. e. is on tonight
18:57<yebyen>is there any way to generate the statistics table for old recordings?
18:57<yebyen>for commercial skipping
18:57<mdz>TheAsp: yes, grayed out
18:57<mdz>it will look the same as a conflict
18:57<TheAsp>*nod*
18:57<mdz>but if you press space/enter on it, it will explain why it is not recorded
18:58<TheAsp>oh, ok
18:58<TheAsp>ahh, works
18:58<yebyen>does it have any logic on which one it would rather record?
18:58<mdz>Chutt: I think I'm going to just add a signalChange() call to doneRecording() after it inserts the row. sound good?
18:58<mdz>yebyen: yes
18:58<yebyen>ie, if recording voyager at 12 instead of 2 will allow it to record macgyver at 2, and there's nothing else on at 12...
18:58<yebyen>cool
18:59<yebyen>but there's no commercial table generator :)
18:59<Chutt>mdz, signalChange()?
18:59<mdz>Chutt: the thingy to tell the scheduler to rescan by changing that settings value
18:59<Chutt>ah
18:59<Chutt>sure
18:59<Chutt>that works
19:00<mdz>Chutt: which you didn't want me to create a function for because it was only called in one place, but now it's called in more :-)
19:00<Chutt>yea yea
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19:00<yebyen>Chutt: is it a mythtv or qt problem that pagedown doesn't work exactly as you'd expect?
19:00<mdz>yebyen, TheAsp: just committed a change to CVS that I think will fix it
19:00<Chutt>i wouldn't know, i don't use pagedown
19:00<yebyen>if you're already at the bottom (or second last, because it doesn't let you get to the bottom)
19:00<mdz>if this happens to you regularly, please try it
19:01<yebyen>it doesn't actually do a page down, just moves to the next item
19:01<mdz>yebyen: what version of qt?
19:01<yebyen>if you have some weird code to make sure it doesn't get to the bottom item unless it's really the last, that may be the cause
19:01<yebyen>mdz: qt3... lemme get a more specific version for you
19:01<mdz>well obviously qt3 :-)
19:01<yebyen>3.1.1
19:01<mdz>I don't think myth will work with 2
19:02<TheAsp>i'll give it a shot
19:02<yebyen>mdz: oh :)
19:02<yebyen>mdz: i'll get the new cvs too...
19:02<mdz>I remember seeing that behaviour with pagedown
19:02<yebyen>think I can build it without a clean?
19:02<TheAsp>this would be easier if you bought me another box to run myth on so i can run it at night and sleep :P~~
19:02<yebyen>if I just built a new version uhh yesterday
19:03<TheAsp>is there some episode id number or something?
19:03<TheAsp>or do you just match name and description?
19:03<mdz>yeah, unfortunately it is working as documented
19:03<mdz>(wrt page up and page down)
19:04<mdz>Page Up Make the item above the top visible item current and visible.
19:04<mdz>Page Down Make the item below the bottom visible item current and visible.
19:04<yebyen>mdz: nope, not quite..
19:04<Chutt>hmm
19:04<yebyen>mdz: ABOVE the top visible, not below
19:04<Chutt>i think i know what that bug of bruce's is
19:04<yebyen>mdz: and below the bottom, not above :)
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19:05<mdz>yebyen: "above the top" and "below the bottom" are correct
19:05<mdz>it is making that item current and visible, but what you expect is for it to be moved to the top
19:05<TheAsp>grr, all my recordings with a & in them disapeared
19:05<TheAsp>:P
19:05<TheAsp>(i did it, not myth)
19:06<yebyen>mdz: so there isn't any code in mythtv to make sure that pressing down lets you see the next item, as well as the one below it?
19:06<yebyen>mdz: that's qt?
19:06<Chutt>mythtv ensures that the surrounding items in the list are visible
19:07<yebyen>Chutt: that's what i thought
19:07<yebyen>Chutt: i'm pretty sure (not based on code, but logic) that this is what is causing the pgup/pgdown oddness
19:07<yebyen>if you're not on the bottom item, pgdown moves you to the bottom item.
19:07<Chutt>i've got a good answer for it all, though
19:07<yebyen>but you can never be on the bottom item
19:07<Chutt>don't use pgup/pgdown
19:07<Chutt>=)
19:08<Chutt>bah
19:08<yebyen>Chutt: how do you propose that I get to the bottom of my list :)
19:08<Chutt>need to modify the programinfo wire format again
19:08<Chutt>yebyen
19:08<yebyen>Chutt: i record at 400mb/hour
19:08<Chutt>hold down the arrow key :p
19:08<yebyen>my remote sucks, lirc doesn't repeat with it very fast
19:08<yebyen>(or maybe my irman sucks)
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19:09<mdz>Chutt: what's happening with programinfo?
19:09<yebyen>i've got 100 shows in my recording stuff
19:09<yebyen>heh
19:09<mdz>that is too many
19:09<mdz>watch some stuff
19:10<yebyen>mdz: well, i've got more hard disk space than I have time to watch stuff :)
19:10<Chutt>mdz, need to transmit the cardid and sourceid and inputid
19:10<yebyen>Chutt: i'll dick with it and see if I can figure out a solution, then send you a patch ^_~
19:10<Chutt>mdz, see bruce's email to the list -- programs on remote backends don't change the channel to record =)
19:11<yebyen>want to give me a hint where I should start looking for the code that handles that at least?
19:11<Chutt>playbackbox.cpp
19:11<moegreen>Chutt: http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/ <- how does this look?
19:11<mdz>at 400mb/hour, I could fit a lot of stuff
19:11<mdz>but wouldn't really want to watch it either
19:11<yebyen>mdz: yeah, and it looks fine to me
19:11<mdz>so I can understand how this happened :-)
19:11<nziarek>, same description
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> odd
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> well, i'll ask Chutt when he's in
19:11<nziarek><TheAsp> i think he reads scrollback :)
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> oh =]
19:11<nziarek><mdz> TheAsp: I changed some things in that area last night. what are you seeing specifically?
19:11<nziarek><TheAsp> this was last nights build
19:11<nziarek><TheAsp> it just recorded a show twice is all :)
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> yeah
19:11<yebyen>mdz: it's like a 20" screen
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> mdz: i've had the same thing for a while...
19:11<nziarek><TheAsp> ill make another build tonight and see if i can find a repeat of something in my db
19:11<mdz>nziarek: stop that
19:11<nziarek><yebyen> mdz: only it's on two different sho
19:11<nziarek>sorry!
19:11<yebyen>nziarek: fired
19:11<Chutt>heh
19:12<yebyen>Chutt: want to give me a hint where I should start looking for the code that does that?
19:12<Chutt>moegreen, nice, but you're cutting off the bottom of the shadow =)
19:12<Chutt>yebyen, frontend/playbackbox.cpp
19:13<Chutt>and the shadow should maybe be a little darker? i dunno
19:13<Chutt>but, that's coming together really well =)
19:13<moegreen>which part is being cut off? - you'll have to forgive me, I'm on a laptop
19:13<moegreen>it's not as easy to see this stuff :)
19:14<Chutt>the bottom of the episode list shadow
19:14<Chutt>it's like the area for it is a little too small
19:14<moegreen>oic
19:14<nziarek>sorry bout that above...i was trying to paste a link: www.ziarek.com/mythtv/interface.overhaul.total.asp
19:14<moegreen>that could have happened in photoshop
19:14<nziarek>it looks something like John's testing image
19:15<Chutt>nziarek, bah, flash :p
19:15<moegreen>yeah, that happened in photoshop -oops
19:16<nziarek>sorry Chutt - it is just for effect :)
19:16<Chutt>yeah
19:16* TheAspis insulted by a url with .asp in it.
19:16<Chutt>just don't have flash installed
19:16<yebyen>Chutt: way to comment your code
19:16* yebyenruns
19:17<Chutt>i'm booting up a windows box
19:17<Chutt>yebyen, yeah, screw you, too
19:17<yebyen>hehe
19:19<mdz>I have flash installed here, but disabled because it does a good job of crashing every browser I've ever used it with
19:19<mdz>it just crashed my galeon trying to view that URL
19:19<nziarek>ok
19:19<nziarek>i disabled it
19:19<Chutt>heh
19:19<TheAsp>mdz: i find the open source plugins work better
19:19<Chutt>works ok in ie =)
19:20<mdz>Chutt: you just don't notice because IE crashes all the time and you never know the cause
19:20<Chutt>heh
19:20<r1ckt3r>lol, stability through obfuscation
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19:22<Chutt>heh
19:22<Chutt>i almost just committed moegreen's earlier wip code
19:22<Chutt>oops
19:23<moegreen>heh, that would have been good :)
19:25<moegreen>Chutt: I made the shadow darker - but it's beginning to look more like a black box :)
19:25<Chutt>heh
19:25<Chutt>maybe it's just the background
19:25<moegreen>hmm...I'll try it out on the blue theme
19:25<Chutt>should be subtle, but visible =)
19:26<moegreen>heh, well it's blatent w/ the blue theme
19:26<Chutt>cool
19:26<Chutt>iulius does have a rather dark background
19:27<nziarek>yeah - that might be because of my TV...it bleeds when the colors are too bright :)
19:29<Chutt>moegreen, how's that look with the liquid theme?
19:29<Chutt>just curious
19:30<yebyen>hmm
19:30<Chutt>anyway, bbl again
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19:36<TheAsp>do many american stations use the white blinking square to indicate comercials?
19:36<r1ckt3r>no, not that i've seen
19:37<moegreen>Chutt: if you haven't left yet, there are some of the other themes: http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/
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19:37<moegreen>I kicked down the shadowing a bit, it's still pretty prominate in these shots though
19:50<meth__>damn qt3.1 takin forever to compile :/
19:54<meth__>beh
19:54<meth__>to much crap i dont need
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20:01<meth__>i just need to make the so for qmysql
20:01<meth__>qmysql*
20:01<meth__>damn ebuild didnt work
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20:28<Timon>Does anyone else here use the SDL version of xmame .65?
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20:50<meth__>grrr
20:50<meth__>screw qt
20:50<justin_>s/qt/gentoo/ :-D
20:51<meth__>damn thing failed :/
20:51<meth__>not gonna sit and try to compile it again for another 2hours
20:51<meth__>rather boot back to rh to record tv
20:51<meth__>isnt there a way i can just compile what myth needs?
20:52<meth__>or does it need 'all' of it
20:52<meth__>i had qt installed and it did it really fast
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20:52<meth__>but failed to install the mysql items
20:53<meth__>only plugins i have are designer
20:53<TheAsp>Chutt: could you add progfind to the menu :)
20:53<Chutt>hit the 6 key while in the epg
20:53<TheAsp>i only go into the schedule now to start it
20:58<mdz>TheAsp: then change the EPG menu item to start the program finder instead. it's very easy to change the menus
21:00<emessh>blah
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21:00<poptix>mythtv just died again
21:01<poptix>select: Bad file descriptor
21:01<poptix>scrolling on and on, when it was done recording star trek
21:01<poptix>hmm
21:01<poptix>ah, that was because mythbackend segfaulted =p
21:04<TheAsp>well, i spose i could
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22:56<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: yo saq!
22:56<Captain_Murdoch>hey
22:56<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, you around?
22:57<Chutt>for a minute or two
22:57<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: only commercials i've spotted that the autoskip hasn't picked up are a few of those 2+ minute commercials you get in the middle of the night
22:57<Chutt>hey, did you ever look at the scaling code in libavcodec?
22:57<Chutt>might be faster than what you've got in there, i think some of it is in mmx
22:57<Captain_Murdoch>yebyen, I might add in 90 and 120 seconds in the post-process checking.
22:58<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: i would suggest it :D
22:58<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: no, looked at mplayer and xine to see how they did it.
22:58<Captain_Murdoch>I'll look at libavcodec's. why reinvent the wheel... :)
22:58<Chutt>yeah, and we could just call the function in libavcodec
22:58<Chutt>since it's all there already and stuff
22:59<yebyen>heh
22:59<Captain_Murdoch>yebyen, I just added 90 and 120 second test to my detection code that's used in the offline/post-process detection.
23:00<Captain_Murdoch>doesn't take but like 0.000001 second to check those also. :)
23:00<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, is there anything that tells tv_rec.cpp when it's stopping a recording that the recording was stopped prematurely by the user and did not terminate normally (ie, end of program)?
23:01<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: yeah :) if it's already got the intervals
23:01<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: is there any way to process recordings that were made before the stats table existed?
23:01<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: and create the stats, stick em into the table
23:02<Captain_Murdoch>I stopped an in-progress recording tonight and my post-process commercial thread fired off (I'm only checking curRecording and !killFile). Myth deleted the program but my thread finished and inserted the stats for the now-deleted program.
23:03<Captain_Murdoch>yebyen, yeah I have a program to do that but it probably won't go into CVS. I made a program to do just that in my testing but since mythbackend will do post-processing of shows it didn't make sense to include the standalone program. It works with my current code which isn't in CVS yet though.
23:03<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: oh
23:03<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: so I shouldn't get frustrated and delete all of my old recordings just yet
23:04<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: because it is possible ;)
23:04<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, it's possible with just a simple program. the program I have scans the recorded table to see what programs you have. If it finds a program without a commercial break list it will build the list and put it in the database.
23:05<Captain_Murdoch>I can send you a patch if you want to give it a shot. current code I'm running flags commercials after recording if you have the AutoCommercialFlag setting on in the database.
23:08<yebyen>yea
23:08<yebyen>flags as in edits them out (with the edit dialog thingy?)
23:09<yebyen>i've got current cvs as of today running right now
23:09<Captain_Murdoch>there is a bug that if you delete a program while it's recording it will still put the flags in the table. I'm looking into that now.
23:09<yebyen>does that cause any problems besides clutter in the database (that I will never see)?
23:10<Captain_Murdoch>after a recording finishes, it starts up another thread (very low priority thread). the new thread scans back through the file and detects the commercials and inserts marks in the recordedmarkup table to flag the commercials.
23:10<Chutt>captain_murdoch, i believe the only way a recording will get stopped in the middle is via TVRec::StopRecording()
23:10<Chutt>if you want to verify that that's true, it'd be possible to add a flag or something there
23:10<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: sounds like exactly what I need, i'd love the patch
23:10<Chutt>and it should work the other way, as well -- StopRecording() should only be used to stop a recording in the middle
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23:11* yebyennotes that he is recording closed captions, and has never tried them
23:11<yebyen>HEH
23:12<Chutt>they don't work for ntsc
23:12<Chutt>yet
23:13<yebyen>Chutt: oh :)
23:13<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, how about in RunTV if the state changes and RemoveRecording is called? Is that not used if I manualy stop a recording?
23:13<yebyen>Chutt: well I would have never known if you hadn't told me that... I probably won't try them for the forseeable future
23:14<Chutt>no, that's not used
23:14<yebyen>"Cornell University is planning on implementing a plan where if faculty, staff or students use more than 2GB of bandwidth a month, they will be charged for the additional bandwidth usage."
23:14<yebyen>I applied there
23:14<yebyen>heh
23:14<Captain_Murdoch>I guess it would do the handlestatechange first and never get to that though. OK thanks. I'll see how I can work around it so I don't call the flag commercials stuff if the recording is stopped prematurely.
23:14<Chutt>yeah, like i said, i'm fairly sure that you want to look at TVRec::StopRecording()
23:15<Chutt>but i'm not positive, so you'll have to check it out in depth more =)
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23:16<Captain_Murdoch>ok. thanks. let me see if I can figure it out real quick so yebyen can be a guinea pig and test for me. :)
23:19<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: rock on :)
23:19<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: i was going to go to sleep, but i'd much rather dick with mythtv
23:19<Captain_Murdoch>ok, I see mainserver.cpp calls elink->StopRecording which calls tv->StopRecording when the user deletes the program, so that's where I'm looking. thanks for the help.
23:19<yebyen>(no, really... i'm not being sarcastic ;)
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23:22<nziarek>is there a place that I can look to see all of the nessessary graphics needed to create the OSD? I would like to make one for Iulius...
23:23<nziarek>nevermind...I believe I found it in CVS
23:24<yebyen>nziarek: i use iulius, i'd love an OSD theme for it :)
23:24<nziarek>i'll try not to disapoint :)
23:27<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: actually, I am going to sleep. I have to get up at 6... if you wind up with a patch, i'd love it if you could email it to yebyen@nerdland.org
23:27<yebyen>Captain_Murdoch: i'll be back tomorrow night and able to dick with it.
23:28<Captain_Murdoch>ok, I'll email a patch in a few. testing a little now.
23:28<yebyen>cool
23:28<Captain_Murdoch>will explain the new program in the email.
23:34<Chutt>nziarek, i'm planning on redoing the osd code shortly after the 0.8 release
23:35<nziarek>Chutt: will it require changes to the graphics?
23:35<Chutt>i dunno yet
23:35<nziarek>ok
23:35<Chutt>depends on what all i do
23:35<Chutt>want to make it more flexible, different font styles for different things, etc
23:35<nziarek>alright...well, i'll just create some stuff in photoshop and we can move from there when the code is finished
23:36<Chutt>yeah, start with a mockup =)
23:36<Chutt>then i'll know what to code for
23:36<nziarek>always do :) Since I can't code, that about all I can do :)
23:36<Chutt>just remember, with video
23:36<Chutt>if it's recorded at 640x480, for instance
23:36<Chutt>the b+w part is 640x480
23:36<Chutt>but the color is only 320x240
23:37<nziarek>i'm sorry - can you explain that a little - if I wanted a graphic that just about filled the whole bottom screen at 640x480, would I make it 320??
23:37<Chutt>no
23:37<Chutt>it's like
23:37<Chutt>the black+white part of the image is full-resolution
23:38<nziarek>ok...
23:38<Chutt>the color part of the image isn't
23:38<Chutt>it's scaled up by 2, essentially
23:39<nziarek>ok, I think I understand. is there something special I need to do within photoshop to accomadate this?
23:39<Chutt>not really
23:39<Chutt>but it does affect small details
23:40<Chutt>ack, bbiab
23:40<nziarek>ok, well, mockup and then we can talk about how it may or may not work...
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