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#mythtv IRC Logs for 2003-03-13

00:02<PeteCool>Chutt: is a nuv container able to hold vorbis streams?
00:26<Chutt>it could
00:29<Justin_>PeteCool: $100 tuner?
00:30<Justin_>they are like $50 now:)
00:30<Justin_>oh wait, CDN..silly not US people:)
00:30<Chutt>right, that's like 3 dollars us.
00:31<Justin_>newegg had the tv tuner+fm tuner+remote on sale for $50
00:31<Justin_>but i think the tv wonder is a better tuner
00:31<Justin_>i still need an ir tranceiver:(
00:31<PeteCool>Justin_: I bought a leadtek because I read the remote was good
00:31<PeteCool>Justin_: obviously I got the second-gen, crappy remote
00:32<Justin_>hehe
00:32<Justin_>couldn't return it?
00:32<Justin_>thats kind of bait&switch ish
00:33<PeteCool>I realised it too late
00:33<PeteCool>I think here they aren't forced to accept returns after a month
00:34<Justin_>thats reasonable
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09:58<mdz_>I'm just going to assume that people who had setup segfault on them didn't recompile stuff correctly
09:59<Chutt>probably reasonable
10:00<bigguy>it's been quiet since the announcement of the impending release
10:02<nziarek>anxiousness =)
10:02<Chutt>nziarek, hey, you be willing to try an upgrade?
10:03<nziarek>sure...but i can't until tonight (at work now)
10:05<Chutt>'course, no problem
10:10<nziarek>do we have docs and such - remember how much hand holding I need :)
10:10<Chutt>should be easy
10:10<Chutt>the UPGRADING file has most of it
10:10<Chutt>and everything's graphical now
10:10<Chutt>and there's some bits in the docs
10:11<nziarek>and i'll just be downloading from CVS? or are there packages?
10:12<Chutt>be downloading from cvs
10:13<nziarek>'ite...i've been looking forward to trying it all out, now I want to leave work even more than when it was just work :(
10:30<rkulagow>chutt: i'm back. (saw you were looking for me a few hours ago)
10:30<rkulagow>uh, wait, yesterday. more than a few hours... :)
10:30<Chutt>heh
10:33<rkulagow>did i really spell your name wrong? that's pretty fucked up on my part.
10:33<Chutt>last name
10:35<rkulagow>where the hell did i get "richardson" from?
10:37<rkulagow>anyone else you want in the developers section? i added that because people kept writing to me, asking about programming questions, etc.
10:38<rkulagow>i'll go ahead and purge the 0.7 information in my tree. when are you figuring you're going to pull the trigger on the tarball?
10:38<Chutt>saturday, maybe
10:39<rkulagow>how do you feel about people replacing 127.0.0.1 with their actual IP address, even if they're running a one-box myth setup?
10:39<eli>what advantage would that have?
10:40<rkulagow>don't know; bruce markey (bruce, you here?) had someone do that on the ML for someone that was complaining about the frontend/backend not talking to each other over 127.0.0.1
10:41<Chutt>the guy on the mailing list who can't run the backend probably didn't update his database
10:43<eli>would that happen if you didn't run the newer setup (with the BackendServerIP settings)
10:43<eli>even if you did update the database
10:44<Chutt>yup, but he ran setup
10:44<eli>oh
10:46<eli>Chutt what distribution do you use?
10:47<Chutt>debian
10:51<eli>redhat 8 is pissing me off, next time i need to reinstall i think i'll go with debian
10:52<rkulagow>i think i'm going to purge the graphical install instructions for Mandrake and just stick with the CLI package management tools. it's simpler that way, and gets rid of a lot of verbage.
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10:53<rkulagow>chutt: i'm going to do a last sync on the "v1" HOWTO; can you please sync to the website in a few seconds? i'm going to commit a new HOWTO-v2 file that will be the baseline for the 0.8 instructions.
10:54<Chutt>sure
10:54<Chutt>let me know when
10:54<rkulagow>ci just finished.
10:55<Chutt>it should be all updated now
10:55<rkulagow>thanks
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11:48<Chutt>well, that was certainly not a fun bug to fix
11:53<eli>the seek failure?
11:53<Chutt>yup
12:02<rkulagow>seeing some weirdness with alt epg using the liquid theme. colors are white on light grey, missing descenders on characters in the upper left description area.
12:02<rkulagow>anyone else seeing that, or just my system?
12:03<eli>i've never used liquid theme before
12:13<eli>as just heard on dr joy, http://RTXUO.d0nt.org/
12:20<eli>actully ignore the above, wrong window
12:25<Chutt>rkulagow, some of the font colors could be missing, i dunno
13:15<eli>hmm somehow i got it to still be recording to the ring buffer but it thinks all inputs are busy and nothing shows up on the recorded menu
13:19<eli>had something to do with what i hit (or didn't hit) when the OSD popup saying "im going to record a show now what do you want to do" while watching livetv..
13:22<eli>restart of backend makes it show up in recored menu..
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14:20<schwin97>is it possible to pull out a section from the ring buffer and save the pulled out section to a file?
14:21<schwin97>example: watching a game on tv and an amazing play occurs so you want to keep the play... is it possible to do with the ring buffer?
14:36<eli>cp rigbuffer.nuv good_play.nuv
14:37<eli>?
14:37<Chutt>won't work if you've changed channels
14:38<eli>yeah an option to never delete the ringbuffer would be cool
14:38<Chutt>it'd be a pain
14:38<eli>how so?
14:38<Chutt>blowing away the ringbuffer is nice and easy
14:39<eli>true
14:39<eli>tivo's or replay tvs don't have a way to save the ring buffer do they?
14:40<Chutt>i wouldn't know
14:40<Chutt>never used one
14:40<eli>yeah me either
14:40<schwin97>I don't think they do (barely used a tivo)
14:40<schwin97>but I think it would be an interesting feature if you could save off clips of a show that is currently being watched
14:41<schwin97>don't know how complex it would be though?
14:42<schwin97>I think this would fall in the same category as instant recording possibly???
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16:24<rkulagow>tivo allows you to save the ring buffer. ring buffer is always running at the best quality, and if you hit the record button while watching live TV it gives you the option to save up to the last 30 minutes of program.
16:25<eli>thats cool
16:25<eli>does tv save the ring buffer if you change channels
16:26<eli>s/tv/tivo
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16:27<rkulagow>no - it's reset on each channel change
16:28<eli>oh
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17:19<Justin_>rkulagow: mythtv almost does that too
17:19<Justin_>if you are watching tv for a while
17:19<Justin_>you can hit M
17:19<Justin_>then R
17:19<Justin_>to save the current show
17:20<Justin_>or anything else still in the buffer
17:20<Chutt>no it doesn't
17:20<Justin_>Chutt: it doesn't ?
17:20<Chutt>nope
17:20<Justin_>didn't it used to?
17:20<Chutt>never did
17:21<Justin_>- I or Space or Enter will bring up more information about a show, and allow
17:21<Justin_> you to schedule a recording.
17:21<Justin_> - If you select "Record this showing" while watching Live TV you can
17:21<Justin_> "Instant Record" a program.
17:21<Justin_>what does that mean then?
17:21<Chutt>it'll start recording from there, sure
17:21<Chutt>it won't copy over stuff you've already watched
17:21<Justin_>hmmmmm
17:21<Justin_>thats not what seems to be implied by "instant record"
17:22<Chutt>that's what it implies to me
17:22<Justin_>well since there was a line for that
17:22<Justin_>i figured thats a special feature
17:23<Justin_>recording from the current place is what I thought it did, and then I read that file, and saw "instant record"
17:23<Justin_>which sort of implies that it would record the whole show
17:24<Justin_>since then if it _doesn't_ do that
17:24<Justin_>if you select "Record this showing" while not even watching it, it would instantly record it
17:24<Justin_>wouldn't it?
17:25<Chutt>eh?
17:25<schwin97>it would instantly record from that time forward...
17:25<Justin_>"If you select "Record this showing" while watching Live TV"
17:25<Justin_>that implies a special case
17:25<Justin_>selecting something to record, if you were already watching it
17:25<Chutt>people kept asking how to start recording something they were watching
17:25<Chutt>that is how to do it.
17:25* Justin_shrugs
17:27<schwin97>in ringbuffer.cpp you have a function WriteToDumpFile... could this write out portions of the ringbuffer?
17:27<Chutt>no, it couldn't.
18:11<yebyen>hrm
18:11<yebyen>the auto commercial flag always seems to start 5-10sec early and finish 5-10sec early as well
18:18<yebyen>hm
19:18<yebyen>blarg
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20:15<PeteCool>anybody running a .13u p3/celeron fanless?
20:17<Chang>PeteCool: I wish - Athlon XP 2500 - can't hardly hear the tube with all the fans
20:27<PeteCool>didn't know the bartons were already in stores
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21:37<nathanziarek>anyone here watch NCAA Basketball?
21:40<PeteCool>It seems it should be possible to get a picture with out noticeable
21:40<PeteCool>pixelation and smooth motion and not drop frames on an Athlon-xp 1600
21:40<PeteCool>(from the mailing list)
21:41<PeteCool>I can do that very easily on a celeron 1.1A, how can he be having troubles with so much cpu power?
22:19<nathanziarek>what is the command to donwload the current code from CVS?
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22:20<Chutt>check the first page of the docs, they explain it better than i can
22:20<Captain_Murdoch>nathan, you can cut and paste it from the documentation on mythtv.org, that's what I always do when I forget. :)
22:20<Chutt>just read the UPGRADING file
22:20<nathanziarek>sorry guys - i hate when people ask before reading the docs
22:20<Chutt>that _should_ be enough
22:20<Chutt>i hope
22:21<Chutt>maybe
22:21<Chutt>=)
22:21<Chutt>there's some bits in the last section of the docs on the website, as well
22:21<Chutt>but it should be all fairly easy
22:22<Chutt>since it's all graphical and stuff
22:25<nathanziarek>sorry, but I don't know how to "Insert the 0-7-to-0-8.sql file from the database/ subdir into your database." Like I said earlier, I need very step-by-step. I just don't know enough about it all
22:26<Captain_Murdoch>mysql -u root -p mythconverg < 0.7-to-0.8.sql
22:26<Captain_Murdoch>or as mythtv user I guess since it has privs.
22:33<nathanziarek>just trying to get this straight before I get to the Myth box - after installation, from the MythTV directory I've installed from, I run "./setup"?
22:37<nathanziarek>nevermind...i am just going to try it
22:41<Chutt>well, you'd cd to the setup/ dir
22:41<Chutt>then run ./setup
22:41<Chutt>sorry, i'm not quite paying attention =)
22:43<nathanziarek>i tried to run the cvs command (cvs -d :pserver:mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/cvs login) and it said "bash: cvs: command not found"
22:48<nathanziarek>i am looking at cvshome.org, but hell if I know what I should be doing here :) (a sign like: nate, go here, would be great.)
22:58<Captain_Murdoch>nate, what distribution
23:03<nathanziarek>*sigh* well, i downloaded and untarred and make-d and make installed cvs, but it still "command not found". there is an install file too, but I can't seem to figure out what it wants as an argument.
23:03<nathanziarek>mandrake 9
23:05<nathanziarek>hmmmi just tried "urpmi cvs" so we'll see...
23:06<Captain_Murdoch>ok
23:14<nathanziarek>that did it...thanks
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23:47<nathanziarek>after you select your XMLTV settings and press enter, what is it doing - downloading the whole 10 days worth of listings? I am just curious how long I should expect to wait
23:51<Chutt>switch to the console you ran it on
23:53<nathanziarek>it'll say "getting list of providers" and then pops back to the setup screen where you input your zip, etc. done that about three times now.
23:54<Chutt>is the UI responsive?
23:56<nathanziarek>yeah, i can keep going through the motion (name the source, type the zip)
23:56<Chutt>then it's probably done
23:56<Chutt>and you can just exit out of that and go on
23:56<nathanziarek>ok