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00:37<rkulagow>chutt, are you here?
00:39<rkulagow>in case you see this in the morning:
00:39<rkulagow>Changing from None to RecordingOnly
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276
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00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
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00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137098312
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00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828
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00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137053840
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
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00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
00:39<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
00:39<rkulagow>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
00:39<rkulagow>0x40abe10e in select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
00:40<rkulagow>(gdb)
00:40<rkulagow>(gdb)
00:40<rkulagow>(gdb) bt
00:40<rkulagow>#0 0x40abe10e in select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
00:40<rkulagow>#1 0x4080d730 in typeinfo for QMotifStyle () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
00:40<rkulagow>#2 0x4036d270 in QApplication::enter_loop() () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
00:40<rkulagow>#3 0x4030232d in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
00:40<rkulagow>#4 0x0805f924 in main ()
00:40<rkulagow>#5 0x40a0f082 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
00:40<rkulagow>(gdb)
00:40<rkulagow>(this is the master backend. i just finished schedulling a bunch of programs)
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02:19<Chang>Yawn...
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09:27<rkulagow>morning; chutt are you here?
09:29<Chutt>heh
09:29<Chutt>just sat down
09:31<rkulagow>NP.
09:47<rkulagow>got a segfault in the backend. pasted it in last night. also, i'm guessing you'll want to see the docs ahead of time for the new HOWTO; howabout tomorrow morning if it's not too late? gives me the rest of today to write them.
09:48<Chutt>yeah, that's cool
09:48<Chutt>i see the backtrace you posted, unfortunately it doesn't tell much
09:49<rkulagow>that's what i was afraid of.
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10:16<Chutt>mdz, mornin
10:17<mdz>put my replacement CPU in last night
10:18<mdz>it promptly fried itself
10:18<mdz>so I guess it's time for a new MB
10:18<Chutt>oops
10:18<Chutt>magic smoke come out?
10:18<mdz>weird, though, because it works fine with this CPU
10:18<mdz>magic smell
10:19<mdz>could be related to the chipset practically melting itself before when its fan failed
10:19<mdz>needless to say, this was a very frustrating turn of events
10:19<mdz>I doubt that AMD will let me RMA this one too :-)
10:19<Chutt>doubtful
10:19<mdz>I also doubt that the motherboard manufacturer will replace my CPU
10:20<Chutt>also doubtful
10:22<rkulagow>dell still has those p4 2.4ghz server machines cheap on their small biz section. mine should be here EOM.
10:23<rkulagow>got to remove the tuner cards i've got and makde sure they're dual keyed for 3.3v and 5v pci
10:24<mdz>I'm almost tempted
10:25<mdz>I remember the good old days when you could put a computer together from parts and it would actually work
10:25<rkulagow>frankenboxes - that's all i've got except the work laptop
10:26<rkulagow>but with a p4 2.4 costing $165, and the new dell machine costing $281, i figure i can't build it cheaper after case, cd, ram, etc
10:26<yebyen>man
10:27<yebyen>this auto commercial editing needs some work... HEH
10:28<Chutt>so fix it up.
10:29<paperclip>what sort of cpu is in the $281 dell?
10:29<yebyen>i'm going to dick around with the code
10:29<yebyen>see what I can figure out
10:29<paperclip>oh.. 2.4Ghz
10:29<paperclip>duh
10:29<paperclip>that is scary cheap
10:31<rkulagow>i talked to a CSR at dell yesterday; he says that according to his screen, after all is said and done they're making < $10 on the box. he tried to talk me into stuff like more hd's, win2k, and i said "no, thanks"
10:31<Chutt>heh
10:31<paperclip>hmm.. i'm not seeing one for $281
10:31<paperclip>PowerEdge?
10:31<rkulagow>yep
10:32<rkulagow>evalue code 64732-s20303
10:33<Chutt>mdz, btw, i chose the timestamp for the field type because i liked the storage format better than datetime
10:34<paperclip>hmm.. after about 10 clicks.. i think i'm almost to the page with actual computers..
10:34<rkulagow>add the keyboard and mouse (they're free)
10:34<paperclip>heh
10:35<paperclip>the PowerEdge 600SC, eh?
10:36<rkulagow>that's the one. base after discounts + tax was $380; $100 mir = $280
10:36<paperclip>ahh.. that's shipped too, eh?
10:36<mdz>Chutt: oh? I thought mysql stored them the same
10:37<rkulagow>free shipping, but tax
10:37<paperclip>hmm.. that's 9% here =(
10:37<Chutt>mdz, datetime is more human readable, and takes twice the space
10:37<Chutt>at least according to the docs i read
10:37<mdz>yeah, you're right
10:37<mdz>4 bytes isn't a big deal though :-)
10:38<paperclip>i was about to say..
10:38<paperclip>you can fit an extra second of video =)
10:38<mdz>weird that they're different
10:38<Chutt>8 bytes per program * number of programs, though
10:38<mdz>man, that might add up to a few k
10:38<Chutt>couple hundred :p
10:38<Chutt>but yeah, it's not that much
10:39<mdz>datetime is bigger than a date + a time
10:39<mdz>wtf is in there
10:40<Chutt>the -s
10:40<Chutt>and the spaces =0
10:40<Chutt>err, =)
10:40<Chutt>i dunno
10:40<rkulagow>mdz, did you see the segfault i pasted earlier? i've got to shut down this box, and when i do i'll lose the gdb on mythbackend i've got now. chutt seemed to think yesterday it was in your section of code.
10:40<mdz>nah, that'd be bigger
10:40<mdz>rkulagow: I was offline
10:40<Chutt>it's in the settings code, at least
10:40<mdz>rkulagow: computer broke, remember?
10:41<mdz>it must store a 3 byte year + 2 bytes for each other value
10:41<mdz>er, 1 byte
10:41<rkulagow>yep; i remember. there are two mdz's in the channel; thought you may have seen it on the other nick
10:41<mdz>3+1+1 date, 1+1+1 time
10:41<mdz>ah
10:42<mdz>that would be me at work
10:42<Chutt>just seemed more efficient to use the timestamp stuff
10:42<Chutt>it's not like it's difficult to update the field if you're updating other stuff
10:43<mdz>it's confusing though
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10:43<mdz>and error-prone
10:43<mdz>ah, datetime has a larger range
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10:47<rkulagow>mdz: here's that error that i got. let me know if you want me to try anything before shutting down the box:
10:47<rkulagow>adding: backend2 as a remote file transfer
10:47<rkulagow>adding: backend2 as a player 1
10:47<rkulagow>Changing from None to RecordingOnly
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625212
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:47<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624860
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137098312
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624860
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624828
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101624796
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 137053840
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625276
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625244
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:48<rkulagow>SelectSetting::setValue(): invalid index 1101625308
10:48<rkulagow>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
10:48<rkulagow>0x40abe10e in select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
10:48<rkulagow>(gdb)
10:48<rkulagow>(gdb)
10:48<rkulagow>(gdb) bt
10:48<rkulagow>#0 0x40abe10e in select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
10:48<rkulagow>#1 0x4080d730 in typeinfo for QMotifStyle () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:48<rkulagow>#2 0x4036d270 in QApplication::enter_loop() () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:48<rkulagow>#3 0x4030232d in QApplication::exec() () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
10:48<rkulagow>#4 0x0805f924 in main ()
10:48<rkulagow>#5 0x40a0f082 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
10:48<rkulagow>(gdb) info threads
10:48<rkulagow>that's it.
10:48<rkulagow>this was after setting up a bunch of recordings, and after the first one should have started.
10:49<rkulagow>this is a master backend.
10:53<paperclip>which HD did you get?
10:53<paperclip>just the 40?
10:54<paperclip>apparently for $70 you get two 80gbs..
10:54<rkulagow>paperclip: yes. staples, best buy, etc have better deals on hard drives. you may want to get extra ram though
10:54<rkulagow>are they doing their buy 1, get one free deal?
10:54<paperclip>yes
10:54<rkulagow>(they do that once in a while)
10:54<paperclip>it looks pretty good..
10:54<rkulagow>same for the 120 GB?
10:55<paperclip>yes..
10:55<paperclip>$140
10:55<rkulagow>huh.
10:55<paperclip>the memory is crazy expensive..
10:55<paperclip>"Free 2nd 80GB 7.2K RPM IDE Hard Drive with 1st 80GB Hard Drive purchase"
10:56<rkulagow>it's registered ECC, not standard off the shelf stuff.
10:57<paperclip>256MB DDR, SDRAM 1X256 [add $74 or $2/month1]
10:57<paperclip>are you sure..
10:58<rkulagow>the chipset if a serverworks GC-SL. if you look at the tech specs it's telling you that that's what it needs. forums.anandtech.com seems to concur.
10:58<paperclip>hmm..
10:59<paperclip>is that where you found the deal?
11:00<rkulagow>actually, they sent me a flyer in the mail since i'm registered as a small business customer.
11:00<paperclip>ahh
11:01<rkulagow>you don't need to be a small business to purchase though; use your own name as the company name.
11:02<paperclip>I own a couple of small biz's
11:02<paperclip>they send me stuff but i usually 86 it..
11:02<rkulagow>10% off if you use a corporate amex card; i'm going to see if i can get them to honor that in conjuction with the proc upgrade and free 2d hard drive
11:02<paperclip>no amex here.. =(
11:02<nziarek>where is this free 2nd hard drive deal? (sorry to interupt, but...)
11:03<paperclip>when you configure & price
11:03<rkulagow>www.dell.com/shopdellbiz
11:03<nziarek>thanks :)
11:03<rkulagow>poweredge 600sc, customize it
11:03<paperclip>what brand drives?
11:03<rkulagow_>no idea, but there aren't that many vendors left these days...
11:05<paperclip>right..
11:05<paperclip>maxtor/WD/segate
11:08<rkulagow>well, 240GB is going to cost me $92 more than the 40GB drive i ordered yesterday. i think i'm going to cancel.
11:16<rkulagow>mdz, i'm going to reboot. i've had this bug come up before, but nver had it in gdb. doesn't seem like gdb gave a whole lot of info anyways.
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11:23<rkulagow_>ah, "you're in a maze of conflicting options, all alike". turns out that you don't get the $100 MIR with the new deal, so the net cost (for me) would be $515; compared to my $280 cost after rebate of the other system means that there's a $235 price difference between the systems, and i can get 2 120GB drives for < $235. tricky, tricky.
11:34<rkulagow_>chutt: do you think there's any point in spending cycles in incorporating something like libartsc so that myth plays nicer with KDE, or just say "don't run arts"?
11:41<paperclip>i was wondering about the rebate..
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11:52<paperclip>rkulagow_: have you found a tv tuner that will work in those boxes?
11:57<rkulagow_>well, the two pinnacle pctv's that i have are dual-keyed, so it should work. 3.3v PCI has the notch close to the bracket; 5v pci has it far from the bracket. dual keyed have two notches.
12:00<paperclip>right..
12:01<paperclip>i get $539 with 2x 120GB
12:03<paperclip>the IDE stuff sounds lame too..
12:14<rkulagow_>well, it's all about what it is you're looking for. i need a powerful cpu box to run multiple encoders. 3xIDE channels is good enough, and so is ATA-33. don't need super-duper graphics, etc. it will make a fine devel and backend encoder machine. there: i've stopped twisting your arm. :)
12:15<paperclip>heh..
12:15<paperclip>yeah.. i'm not worried about the graphics..
12:15<paperclip>i would like a sound card..
12:16<paperclip>and ata-33 is sorta underwhealming for a "server".. but i guess that's what scsi is for..
12:18<rkulagow_>newer soundblasters are dual keyed too; or you could use a USB sound card if you wanted to. i'm planning on just using btaudio...
12:19<paperclip>yeah.. i have a few old soundblasters laying around..
12:20<paperclip>tho.. without the rebate/5% off.. it's not that great a deal..
12:22<rkulagow_>right; that's why i decided to stick with the one they had yesterday. $280 is still a decent price for the machine i specced, even without all the extra hard drive space.
12:24<paperclip>yes
12:24<paperclip>you ordered yesterday?
12:24<paperclip>the rebate ended 3/12
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13:47<Chutt>heh
13:47<Chutt>slashdot story
13:49<bigguy>the modular home pvr story?
13:50<Chutt>yup
13:52<bigguy>it's just a bunch of networked stuff
13:52<bigguy>w00p de d00
13:52<bigguy>;
13:52<bigguy>;)
13:54<bigguy>let me see you can have multiple frontends with myth cvs already
13:54<bigguy>hmm don't think I'll be wanting to purchase this
13:54<bigguy>:P
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14:00<bigguy>heh there is a post about myth
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14:40<thor_>Chutt, still amazed your DSL is dealing with this
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19:44<bs>Any news on the 0.8 release?
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20:15<mdz>rkulagow: what were you doing when you got that error?
20:15<mdz>I am not aware of any time when SelectSetting::setValue() is called other than when you are scheduling a recording or in the setup dialogs
20:15<mdz>if you could set a breakpoint and catch it, that would help
20:34<rkulagow>mdz: i'll try and see. this error seems to come up right after a scheduled recording kicks off.
20:38<rkulagow>or it might be during the setup of the recording; i haven't been watching the mythbackend window after each iteration.
20:40<rkulagow>looks like the error message lives in settings.h; where would be a good place to set the breakpoint?
20:49<poptix_>hmm
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20:49<poptix>this is weird, in the alt epg the scrolling is wonky
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22:06<mdz>rkulagow: in that function
22:06<mdz>rkulagow: you could set it on the line which prints the message, that would be best
22:26<rkulagow>in the .h file? is that possible?
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23:47<mdz>rkulagow: yes
23:48<Chutt>heh
23:48<Chutt>the via guy posted to mythtv-users
23:49<Justin_>im confused
23:50<Justin_>he and merle should get together and have an installfest
23:50<Chutt>he probably got someone to install it for him
23:50<Chutt>he's seeing the null qpixmap issue that was fixed recently, and doesn't know how to update cvs
23:51<Justin_>yeah, to "update cvs" you type "cvs update" who would have thought:)
23:51<Chutt>well, he didn't know if he had a cvs version or 0.7 when he was emailing me off list
23:51<Chutt>but i was going out, so i directed him to the users list =)
23:51<Justin_>heh
23:52<Chutt>so i really think someone else installed it
23:52<Justin_>its not even hard...i had just spent a while figuring out what to set QTDIR to heh
23:52<Justin_>once matt told me i was done in no time
23:53<Justin_>i should probably cvs update my self, commercial skipping stopped working, though fast forward works a lot better now:)
23:53<Justin_>I used to have to hit right, wait, hit right, wait, hit right, wait
23:53<Justin_>now I can just hold right:)
23:57<rkulagow>mdz: am i being dense? this is what i get:
23:57<rkulagow>(gdb) break settings.h:277
23:57<rkulagow>No source file named settings.h.
23:57<rkulagow>obviously, if you say it can be done, that means i don't know what i'm doing.
23:58<rkulagow>what's the correct command i _should_ have used?
23:58<Chutt>rkulagow, try giving it more of a path, maybe?
23:58<Chutt>i dunno