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00:17<inman>PeteCool: best to delete from channel, program first.
00:17<inman>PeteCool: so that changing channels works nicely and the guide is clean.
01:09<NonToxic>errr...
01:09<NonToxic>hrm.
01:10<NonToxic>anyony know why mythfrontend would complain that a recorded clip wasn't on the drive, although I can find it there, and it matches up with the content in the DB?
01:11<SarahEmm>permissions OK for the mythtv user to read it?
01:12<NonToxic>mythtv runs as me
01:12<NonToxic>well
01:12<NonToxic>mythfrontend runs as me, and I have permissions
01:12<NonToxic>mythbackend runs as root
01:13<SarahEmm>okie.. i dunno then, as today is my first day using mythtv heh
01:13<NonToxic>hehe
01:13<SarahEmm>it's Very Nifty tho
01:13<NonToxic>yeah
01:14* NonToxicfires up mplayer and begins watching a recorded episode
01:15<NonToxic>grrr, mplayer can't seem to play rtjpeg very well
01:15<Bonkers>mythbackend just shit a brick here
01:15<NonToxic>it tends to block up
01:16<Bonkers>it was all happy, then it started scrolling a bunch of errors, mysql died somehow, now I restarted mysql but mythbackend complains it can't connect to the db still
01:17<NonToxic>oop.
01:17<NonToxic>mplayer's rtjpeg support shit its own brick here
01:17<Bonkers>heh, I've heard it doesn't work really for rtjpeg
01:18<NonToxic>yeah
01:18<NonToxic>it's blocking up badly and the screen is going all colory
01:18<NonToxic>oh and I'm watching a black and white show.
01:18<NonToxic>heh
01:19<Bonkers>it's um, the auto-color plugin ;)
01:19<NonToxic>hehehe
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01:37<NonToxic>man, mplayer REALLY sucks in terms of rtjpeg
01:37<NonToxic>thank god audio works
01:38<Bonkers>mplayer --disable-auto-color ;)
01:41<PeteCool>NonToxic: try the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script from the contrib directory
01:41<PeteCool>NonToxic: it worked for me
01:42<NonToxic>mk
01:42<NonToxic>Can't locate File/Find/Rule.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 50.
01:42<NonToxic>BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 50.
01:42<NonToxic>?
01:44<PeteCool>NonToxic: read the beginning of the file, it will tell you it's required perl modules, how to install them, and the arguments to pass the script
01:45<NonToxic>ok
01:47<SarahEmm>nite nite
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01:47<NonToxic>hmm
01:48<NonToxic>PeteCool: ran it, but I still got "Error: file missing!", although the file is there
01:48<NonToxic>and rebuilddatabase says that it found a match
01:48<NonToxic>actually, three matches, which is correct
01:49<PeteCool>NonToxic: it says the file is already in the db?
01:50<NonToxic>yes
01:51<PeteCool>NonToxic: you could try removing their entries from the db, and then re-running the script
01:51<NonToxic>I strace'd it, and it seems to only attempt to open() one of them
01:52<NonToxic>which would lead me to believe that it's erroring out and misreporting the error as being a missing file, but instead being a logic error
01:52<PeteCool>NonToxic: I'm pretty sure it's the db entry which is at least partly wrong
01:52<NonToxic>hrm
01:52<PeteCool>backend hostname maybe
01:52<PeteCool>when I changed my backend's hostname it did that
01:52<NonToxic>oh, yeah
01:52<NonToxic>my machine is now bluefire, no bluefire.joshuawise.com
01:53* NonToxicfires up phpMyAdmin
01:53* NonToxicrestarts mythbackend
01:53<PeteCool>NonToxic: don't try updating them without re-specifying the starttime, or it'll become a useless entry
01:54<NonToxic>?
01:54<NonToxic>I just changed the hostname in the database
01:55<NonToxic>can't I just do that?
01:55<PeteCool>NonToxic: don't be surprized if it doesn't work... depends on how phpMyAdmin does its updates
01:55<PeteCool>NonToxic: does it work?
01:55<NonToxic>oh, yeah, it actually updated it to NOW
01:55<NonToxic>hmm
01:56<PeteCool>the fastest way to play your show is to remove those three entries, rerun the script and give '???' descriptions and names
01:56<Chutt>you've got the correct start times in the file names on disk, so it's not hard to fix
01:57<NonToxic>PeteCool: chutt's right... phpmyadmin is really easy, I juts unselected the 'now' function and pasted in the start time from the output of ls
01:58<NonToxic>and... it works!
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12:05<PeteCool>I'm seeing some weird é \xC3 è characters in mythweb (instead of the correct \xE9 \xE0 \xE8)... just like there were in myth about a month ago
12:05<inman>bah
12:08<PeteCool>hmm
12:08<PeteCool>seems like the copy on my webserver was desynched with CVS
12:08<PeteCool>most of them are fine now
12:08<inman>good.
12:08<PeteCool>and the one screwed character is also screwed in myth... surely an xmltv error
12:09<inman>probably, and don't call me Shirley.
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12:52<PeteCool>Chutt: will the osd changes make something like this easy/easier? http://tarek.2y.net/myth/osd-mock2.png
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14:01<Chutt>petecool, yup. that can be done quite easily now
14:50<poptix>damnit.
14:50<poptix>wouldn't you assume that 'cutlist' means the parts you want CUT from the video?
14:51* poptixsmacks hauppauge
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14:56<nziarek>is there a list of the different mythmusic visualizations somewhere? i'd like to see what each one is...
14:58<Chutt>there's a list in the settings file
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15:19<ian2>anyone here?
15:20<PeteCool>Chutt: If I wanted to modify blueosd (when it starts working again), can I just copy it's dir... I remember either tarek or nathan having troubles with a new osd dir being recognized, but it was a long time ago
15:25<mdz>PeteCool: should work
15:26<Chutt>the osd themes are a hardcoded selection box
15:26<Chutt>just have to add to that list and recompile
15:26<Chutt>until i get around to fixing that
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15:33<Ndiin>hmm, seems to be an overflow in the PHP for filesizes like 2.2gb
15:34<Ndiin>on the Recorded page
15:35<mdz>Chutt: I have a pending change which should make that easy; I'll go ahead and do it
15:36<mdz>Chutt: osd themes always have an osd.txt, right?
15:36<Chutt>osd.xml now
15:36<Chutt>ndiin, php apparently doesn't have a 64-bit int type
15:38<Ndiin>no unsigned, either?
15:38<Ndiin>hmm, oh well
15:42<Chutt>mdz, think it'd be feasible to add a advanced menu to the mpeg4 stuff using the popupbox class?
15:44<mdz>Chutt: haven't looked at popupbox
15:44<Chutt>just a child frame, really
15:44<mdz>have a button which opens the popup?
15:45<Chutt>yup
15:45<mdz>I don't see why not...there'd just have to be a Configurable for it
15:49<Ndiin>humm.. function my_filesize($size) works fine on long ints.. (it works for the "Storage" part)
15:51<Chutt>oh, ya know
15:51<Chutt>it's probably not parsing the long long out of the wire format, either
15:51<mdz>Chutt: is the popupbox rendered within the existing dialog, or in a separate window on top of it?
15:51<Chutt>it's technically a separate window
15:51<mdz>but does it get packed between the other widgets, or does it cover them?
15:51<Chutt>covers them
15:51<mdz>ok
15:52<Chutt>but all qt widgets are separate windows =)
15:52<Chutt>just not top level
15:54<Ndiin>just made a short little hack to fix the overflow.. its not a clean hack (as in, correcting the type), but it displays a close approximation, heh
15:54<Chutt>ndiin, the correct thing would be to parse the long long out of the wire format it got from the backend properly
15:55<Chutt>and then attempt to render that
15:58<Chutt>allrighty, that's enough sitting in front of the computer for now
16:14<PeteCool>Chutt: do you think you'll have blueosd working soon? It'd be simpler for me to make a SasQuOSD from blue than from default
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16:21<Ndiin>Chutt: yeah, the problem is that its using preg_match() to parse the data.. PRCE in php supports only the smaller int types, that I can see
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16:37<PeteCool>whoa, 320x480 is much easier on my system than 352x480
16:37<PeteCool>which would be better? 320x480 with higher bitrate/quality, or 352x480 with less quality? I think the first, but I'd like expert's advice :)
16:43<poptix>try 64x48
16:43<poptix>it should be really really fast
16:43<PeteCool>won't look like tv though
16:44<poptix>sure it will
16:44<poptix>you just have to look really close
16:44<moegreen>heh, it will look like a webcam :)
16:44<PeteCool>bah, I'll just get a job and work a few days... should be able to do that soon
16:44<PeteCool>then I'll buy a real cpu
16:46<PeteCool>dual athlon xp (modded) with a 1TB raid-5 array should be enough :p
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17:18<PeteCool>rkulagow: to the list of non-working btaudio cards, you can add the Leadtek Winfast TV 2000 XP (NTSC)
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17:53<vektor>where is that list?
17:54<moegreen>http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-19.html#ss19.8
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17:59<m0tion>anyone know if the Mandrake 9.0 instructions work with 9.1?
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18:53<Timon>I haven't seen a net split in a long time. . .
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19:25<inman>Ndiin: is the PHP get-file-size stuff getting it from the db or the backend or what?
19:26<inman>Ndiin: you can do the processing on the value on the backend, be it mythbackend or mysql, to get a value that you can display/parse without exceeding the unsigned 32bit limit.
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20:42<PeteCool>Chutt: I just realized something... some menulist wrap up when you reach the bottom selection (eg, the page where you have 'Watch Tv', Schedule a recording', etc...) while other don't (eg, he prompt on playback exit popup)
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21:21<nziarek>moegreen - you around?
21:27<nziarek>maybe someone else: the new playback box how does it layer the graphics and text? the background, text, then the borders? or background, borders and then text?
21:30<moegreen>nziarek: http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/playback/tutorial
21:31<moegreen>basically, background->title text->title border->show text->show border->selection bar
21:34<nziarek>can the selection bar be bigger than the current one?
21:34<nziarek>great tutorial, by the way
21:35<moegreen>the selection bar can be any size, but it will still be drawn at the top and left coordinates as it is now. Once i do more of the formatting and layout theme support, this will likely be able to change
21:41<nziarek>the selection bar goes on top of everything else??
21:43<inman>yes
21:43<moegreen>nziarek: everything but the selection text
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21:46<nyquiljer>mdz: you around?
21:53<nyquiljer>is anyone with familiarity with the debian stable packages around?
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21:57<nziarek>moe - last question - my updated graphics; i put them in the "default" folder or the "iulius" folder in the themes dir?
21:58<moegreen>nziarek: if you put them in the iulius folder, the code will use those. It is on a per file basis - so you don't have to re-create all of them if you are just changing one or two, etc.
22:00<Chutt>once the playback stuff is more xml-ified
22:00<Chutt>it should be possible to add stuff like your screen titles, etc
22:01<Chutt>nziarek, sometime this week we'll have to mess around with osd graphics, too =)
22:01<nziarek>chutt: sounds good
22:03<nziarek>chutt: should I send you an updated zip file with the new Iulius graphics in it, or should that go to someone else?
22:05<nziarek>chutt: new graphics = updated playback/delete box graphics
22:11<PeteCool>nziarek: I think you should post on the mailing list with an url to an updated zip file
22:12<moegreen>nziarek: do you have a screenshot?
22:13<nziarek>moegreen: just finishing the graphics now, and I didn't change much from yours; i think you added some contour to your borders and iulius is just plain white borders.
22:14<nziarek>PeteCool: i was thinking that these graphics would become part of the iulius theme hosted from mythtv.org
22:14<PeteCool>nziarek: Did you make the corners more rounded? some aren't really round, more like elliptic
22:15<nziarek>yeah, think of the iulius menu bars and that'll give you an idea
22:17<TheAsp>WTF
22:17<TheAsp>it just deleted the wrong recording
22:17<nziarek>BTW, the Popups are pretty cool, but that transparent background seems really slow...it paints it on in sections and takes around 1-1.5 seconds on an Athlon 1.6
22:17<TheAsp>this is the second time it's done it.
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22:18<TheAsp>and im sure it happened this time
22:18* TheAspgrowls.
22:19<moegreen>nziarek: it is slow, there is a function that is faster and looks fine on a TV, but not on a monitor
22:23<nziarek>do you just make a black/trans/black/trans box instead of an opaque graphic?
22:24<moegreen>nziarek: no, it's a fill function that uses a certain density and color, it looks like this: http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/popup-dark.jpg
22:26<PeteCool>it looks 99% the same on a TV at one foot (didn't try farther, though... should be ok on a couch at "normal" viewing distance)
22:27<moegreen>PeteCool: Right ...
22:27<moegreen>i guess the monitor would look the same at that distance
22:27<nziarek>how do you enable that?
22:28<moegreen>nziarek: i have it enabled when you uncheck the 'Use Transparent Boxes' in setup. I will probably make it a seperate option at some point
22:28<PeteCool>nziarek: one is with transparent boxes enabled, the other disabled
22:28<nziarek>ok
22:32<PeteCool>nziarek: looked at the new osd theme format?
22:33<moegreen>TheAsp: Is this is the context of after watching a show and telling it to delete?
22:34<nziarek>PeteCool: ben I think his name is asked for my OSD in photoshop and made something, but Chutt was going to update the OSD code, so I was going to wait on that and work with him as he needed.
22:34<nziarek>PeteCool: have you used it? how does it look?
22:35<PeteCool>nziarek: looked at it a little, but scared me :)
22:35<PeteCool>I have trouble with UI layouts
22:36<PeteCool>nziarek: it's here: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/osd.xml?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
22:36<TheAsp>moegreen: yea
22:36<TheAsp>h
22:36<nyquiljer>oh, nice
22:37<nziarek>PeteCool: I didn't know CHutt started working on it yet.
22:37<nziarek>and yea, it is kinda scary looking
22:37<moegreen>TheAsp: ok, i may have found a problem with that part of the code...I should have a fix in CVS
22:37<moegreen>shortly
22:38<moegreen>sorry if it was something you really wanted :(
22:38<PeteCool>nziarek: If you give me all the separated graphics I can try doing it
22:38<TheAsp>hehe
22:38<TheAsp>np :P
22:38<PeteCool>nziarek: gotta finish the java and ASM assignments before though....
22:38<PeteCool>nziarek: bah, doesn't matter... you have them ready?
22:39<TheAsp>im more worried about stuff i wanted to see that didnt notice was gone :)
22:39<nziarek>PeteCool: i have them all in photoshop; just a matter of exporting them
22:39<moegreen>nziarek: the layout config code for the playback and delete screens will likely be moving in that direction too. I have programmed it to be very flexible and allow for being able to place the different list boxes and info in various places on the screen
22:41<PeteCool>Chutt: the <area> tags are relative to what point in the screen?
22:41<moegreen>PeteCool: I think he made them all relative to the top left
22:41<nziarek>moegreen: i think you guys are making me more worthless :)
22:42<PeteCool>nziarek: I can't promise anything, I only said I'd try
22:42<moegreen>nah ... i can promise you that the watch recordings screen wouldn't look any bit as nice as it does without your original mockups and ideas :)
22:42<moegreen>you've seen the original mythweather graphics :)
22:43<PeteCool>nziarek: I have to find out if the Win GIMP port can import PSD's before doing anythin
22:49<nziarek>PeteCool: well, I have the large info graphic, the smaller top graphic and thre different colors for "bars" (like volume and the fast forward/rewind bars) as pngs
22:52<nziarek>www.ziarek.com/storage/osd.zip
22:52<nziarek>let me know if you need anything else
22:55<Chutt>petecool, all coords are absolute to a 640x480 screen
22:55<Chutt>all areas are x,y,width,height
22:56<Chutt>just to make that bit clear =)
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22:56<PeteCool>Chutt: ok, great
22:57<Chutt>i'm still adding stuff, though
22:58<PeteCool>nziarek: what about the arrows: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/cut-end.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
22:59<PeteCool>nziarek: and this one: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MC/themes/defaultosd/position-indicator.png?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
22:59<PeteCool>I could use the same one though
23:00<Chutt>look at what ben sent to the list
23:00<Chutt>he has a good start at things
23:02<nziarek>PeteCool: oops, i'll put those in
23:05<moegreen>TheAsp: the fix is in CVS
23:05<TheAsp>cool!
23:05<TheAsp>ill give it a spin tomorow
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23:06<PeteCool>nziarek: ben has come up with some himself
23:10<nziarek>PeteCool: i have the edit bar in that zip now
23:10<nziarek>i do'nt have the other arrows made, though, so just use the current ones for that
23:10<nziarek>or use ben's :)
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23:14<Chutt>hrm
23:14<Chutt>static text strings and text justification done
23:16<bigguy>why does slashdot have to be days late on news and cause problems for me with the /. effect
23:16<bigguy>I've been trying to get the knoppix iso over dialup resuming when I'm not at the computer and now it's so busy I can't even login to resume
23:26<m0tion>is there a group of people working on a DVD -> XVID interface for mythtv?
23:26<Chutt>doubtful
23:27<PeteCool>m0tion: I wouldn't do that from my couch
23:27<m0tion>ok, because I've been doing some work with the DVD::RIP source code and was wondering if i was just spinning my wheels
23:27<Chutt>only way i'd accept such a module was if it did absolutely no reencoding, just a straight copy
23:27<m0tion>what, kept the MP2?
23:28<Chutt>dvds are low enough quality already
23:28<Chutt>don't need to degrade them further
23:28<m0tion>oh, videophile huh? =)
23:28<m0tion>well, i suppose that could always be included as an option
23:28<Chutt>no
23:29<foom>does anyone know if the wintv IR receiver works with any ol' remote or only the supplied one?
23:29<Chutt>foom, it'll work with anything that speaks the rc-5 protocol, iirc
23:29<Chutt>which is a very small number of remotes
23:29<foom>ok, I guess I'll be building my own from lirc.org site then. :)
23:31<m0tion>foom: I built my own from those instructions, it worked, but was kinda flakey (i think I was using the wrong reciever unit), anyway, ended up ordering one from that nice german site they link to
23:31<m0tion>was almost $20 shipped, it it works perfectly
23:31<foom>do you know what receiver chip they use?
23:32<m0tion>i don't remember, they do have really good instructions for building it though
23:32<m0tion>i was just trying to find parts locally so my options were sorta limited =)
23:32<foom>lirc has a scary long list of IR receiver possibilities
23:32<m0tion>i used the radio shack one
23:32<foom>well I won't use that one then. :)
23:33<m0tion>yea, i dunno, it did work, it was just sort of on and off
23:33<m0tion>it got a lot of outside noise it seemed like
23:35<foom>I'm surprised noone is selling mythtv boxes
23:37<m0tion>me too
23:37<m0tion>chutt, why haven't you jumped on this cash cow? =)
23:37<Chutt>because it'd be pretty silly of me
23:38<Chutt>i'd have to sell a ton to make it worth my time
23:38<bigguy>1) you would need a commercial tv listing service
23:38<m0tion>true
23:38<foom>no...not if you're just selling a prebuilt "mythbox"
23:38<bigguy>2) it's not really worth it for what it costs for parts
23:38<nyquiljer>imagine providing support for people who mess it all up
23:38<foom>you're selling the hardware that works, a setup linux distribution with myth installed
23:38<m0tion>2) i don't know of a tv tuner card that can tune over 125 channels
23:38<m0tion>that sucks
23:39<Chutt>no tv tuner can tune over 125 channels
23:39<foom>there are only 125 channels..
23:39<m0tion>well, i'm missing something then =)
23:39<Chutt>unless you're talking about the overcompressed crap that is digital cable
23:39<m0tion>i suppose i am =)
23:40<foom>digital cable (at least in the US) pretty much has no standard afaik
23:40<m0tion>anyone seen this new Fusion HDTV tuner cards?
23:40<foom>so, you have to use the *really crappy* set-top boxes they give you
23:41<Chutt>until there's working linux drivers, i really don't care about any hdtv cards
23:41<foom>i stopped subscribing to digital cable about 2 months after I first got it because I couldn't stand to use the cable box ever
23:41<m0tion>Chutt: i'll have to agree with you there
23:41<Chutt>can't wait until those are more popular
23:41<Chutt>since you need shittons of cpu power just to decode in software
23:42<m0tion>this card is software decoding =)
23:42<Chutt>exactly.
23:42<m0tion>i guess it's just an ATSC tuner
23:42<m0tion>or whatever
23:43<m0tion>so chutt, you say any dvd back-up program that compresses the movies will not be included with mythtv?
23:43<moegreen>foom: there are a few digital cable boxes that are great, but it hardly makes up for the large number of boxes that complete suck (GI DCT2000 comes to mind as one that sucks really bad)
23:43<Chutt>m0tion, yup
23:43<m0tion>ok, i'll keep that in mind
23:43<Chutt>if it does exact copies, then sure
23:43<Chutt>anything more, nope
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23:44<Chutt>there's other tools better suited for the job
23:44<m0tion>moegreen: if digital cable isn't the answer to over 125 channels, what is exactly?
23:44<foom>digital cable is the answer
23:44<m0tion>Chutt: other than DVD::RIP
23:44<m0tion>?
23:44<foom>but not the way it's implemented right now
23:44<m0tion>and i suppose once a standard is settled on it's no problem to build a digital cable tuner? or are the channels encrypted somehow?
23:45<foom>they are encrypted
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23:45<Chutt>m0tion, i don't really want to deal with stuff like scheduling free cpu time, etc
23:45<m0tion>excellent
23:45<m0tion>Chutt: ahh, just make it a nice process =)
23:45<foom>that wouldn't be a problem either if they used a smart-card you could stick in a card slot on your digital TV tuner
23:45<Chutt>see, that doesn't really work
23:45<m0tion>oh, why not?
23:46<Chutt>because :p
23:46<m0tion>haha, because why? =)
23:46<m0tion>it wouldn't ever get anything done if you were watching TV?
23:46<Chutt>yup
23:46<Chutt>or recording
23:47<Chutt>and, i really don't want to interrupt recordings
23:47<m0tion>hmm, ahh, well, i can't argue there
23:47<Chutt>anyway
23:47<m0tion>oh, well, then it wouldn't be worth having in the first place
23:47<foom>if you had too slow a CPU it wouldn't..if you had a fast CPU it could.
23:47<Chutt>something for bitexact dvd backups would be nice
23:47<m0tion>i suppose, but at ~6gig a pop, thats a hefty price to pay
23:47<foom>can't you just use dd for that?
23:48<Chutt>not really
23:48<Chutt>less than a buck a gig, depending on where you shop
23:48<m0tion>true
23:48<foom>I know on OSX you can just use disk copy to image the DVD and the DVD player will play it back
23:48<m0tion>i suppose every day diskspace becomes less of a limiting factor
23:49<Chutt>i'm planning on eventually just storing all my cds as flac files, for example
23:49<Chutt>lossy compression sucks :p
23:49<m0tion>yah, i had that idea recently too
23:50<Chutt>lossy compression on top of lossy compression sucks a whole lot more
23:50<m0tion>FLAC is approx 3:1 ?
23:50<Chutt>more like 2:1 on average
23:50<foom>disk space is still a premium on portable/small devices. :)
23:50<m0tion>well, still not too bad
23:50<Chutt>foom, 40 gig portables soon
23:50<m0tion>foom: i don't see a reason to run mythtv on those =)
23:50<Chutt>larger soon after that
23:51<Chutt>and if it's portable, and your music is in a lossless format, it's easy to encode it quickly to something just for the device
23:51<foom>yeah
23:52<Chutt>heh
23:52<foom>i'll probably want to rerip everything in another year or two..it'd be much easier if i didn't have to copy it all from CD again
23:52<Chutt>some guy just wrote me about rewriting parts of mythtv in lisp
23:52<foom>well, C does suck. :)
23:54<foom>I hate writing code in non-garbage-collected languages too..but rewriting in lisp seems a little drastic at this point in the game
23:54<foom>he could probably write his own mythfrontend in lisp if he wanted. ;)
23:55<m0tion>hahhaha
23:57<inman>i'm already storing all my music in flac
23:57<bigguy>me too
23:57<bigguy>FLAC is nice
23:57<Chutt>i don't have the space
23:58<m0tion>Chutt: did you write mythmusic as well?
23:58<inman>space is soooo cheap
23:58<Chutt>i could have the space, i guess
23:58<Chutt>but i'm cheap
23:58<inman>10k per 1tb of scsi, and less if you roll your own.
23:58<Chutt>m0tion, large bits of it, yes
23:59<inman>it will be nice when the 40gb 1.8" toshiba drives are available
23:59<inman>that 10k figure is raid, of course. ide raid with a scsi controller.