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00:00<Chutt>don't type in the select boxes for the video devices
00:00<Chutt>if that's what you did =)
00:00<Chutt>orangey, the white box that indicates the current selection? you can't
00:00<inman>Kuwanger: you are running this on the backend machine, yes?
00:00<Kuwanger>Okay, now it works.
00:00<Kuwanger>Esc randomly is go to parent and randomly cancel.
00:01<Chutt>yeah
00:01<Chutt>i need to straighten that out
00:01<Chutt>make them one pane wizards, basically
00:01<Kuwanger>Sort of wish qt made combo boxes expand when you pressed space while one was highlighted.
00:01<Kuwanger>I think that was the Windows default behavior.
00:01<Chutt>so you could see all the options?
00:02<inman>you mean like 'alt-down'?
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00:03<Kuwanger>inman: Hmm?
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00:03<Kuwanger>Chutt: Yea, so the combo box would expand displaying all options.
00:03<Chutt>don't i say to say yes to the questions setup asks in the upgrading file? =)
00:03<Chutt>i thought i added that
00:04<Kuwanger>Probably.
00:04<inman>Kuwanger: alt-down shows all options under windows.
00:04<orangey>Chutt: can't we align text to the center?
00:05<orangey>in the OSd?
00:05<Chutt>yup
00:05<orangey><align>?
00:05<orangey>: )
00:05<Chutt>nope
00:05<Kuwanger>inman: Hmm..odd, remembered space doing it too.
00:05<orangey>Ok.. and it's not <justify>
00:06<orangey>and it's not <centre>yes</centre>
00:06<Chutt>got defaultosd's osd.xml file?
00:06<Chutt>look at line 70
00:06<orangey>oooh
00:06<inman>wow, mythmusic just changed tracks mid-track.
00:07<thor>cool
00:07<thor>that intelligent playlist stuff is impressive
00:07<Chutt>knew you didn't want to listen to the rest of the song
00:07<inman>thor: try tapping forward-seek three times in quick succession in the middle of a track.
00:07<inman>gotta be a flac bug.
00:08<thor>hang on, I got uncompiled bits and pieces all over the place trying to track down another bug
00:08<inman>it's not always reproducable, either.
00:08<moegreen>Chutt: this xml/layout stuff sure is fun :)
00:09<Chutt>heh
00:09<Chutt>figuring it out?
00:09<inman>one song produces the bug but i can't reproduce it anywhere else.
00:09<Chutt>you ripped it with mythmusic?
00:09<inman>maybe it's 'cause i encoded with 1.2 but am playing it back with 1.1.
00:09<inman>yes, chutt.
00:09<Chutt>figured, but just making sure
00:10<Chutt>i think all my flac files were encoded with 1.0.3 or 1.0.4
00:10<moegreen>Yeah ... it took some time at first, but I'm building out functions now.
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00:10<Chutt>moegreen, it's really quick once you get the hang of it
00:10<Chutt>simple stuff
00:10<gora>i was just reading the docs, does mythtv require kde, or just the qt libs? (i'm using gentoo)
00:10<thor>just qt
00:10<Ndiin>just qt.
00:10<gora>ahh okay, good deal ;)
00:11<Ndiin>gora: USE="mysql" emerge qt
00:11<moegreen>Chutt: luckily I already have all the variables setup for the lists, so I won't have to add much there
00:11<Chutt>cool
00:11<inman>i have many entries for "LastMusicPlaylistPush" in my settings table.
00:12<thor>after crashes?
00:12<Chutt>heh, so do i
00:12<inman>may be due to crashes, but it's a bug if it goes in twice.
00:12<inman>(in the first place)
00:12<Chutt>looks to be once every run of mythmusic
00:13<thor>hey me too, who wrote this crap!
00:13<inman>heh
00:13<Chutt>i had 70 entries
00:13<Chutt>:p
00:14<inman>really wish you'd accepted my settings-scope patch. :-)
00:14<inman>this table is unwieldy
00:14<Chutt>still don't think it's really necessary
00:14<inman>clearly. :-)
00:15<Chutt>i've got 154 entries in mine, that's mainly because of 2 backends and 2 frontends
00:15<inman>it's not the size that bugs me, it's the flatness.
00:15<inman>lack of structure.
00:16<Chutt>doesn't need any structure, it's just a bunch of key/value pairs
00:16<Chutt>:p
00:16<Chutt>just an added complication
00:17<Chutt>but, anyway
00:18<inman>getting these errors in mythmusic console:
00:18<inman>X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
00:18<inman> Major opcode: 4
00:18<inman> Minor opcode: 0
00:18<inman> Resource id: 0x160019b
00:19<inman>due to visualizations
00:19<Chutt>it's the gears vis
00:19<inman>yeah
00:19<Chutt>haven't bothered to track it down as i don't think it's worth the time =)
00:19<inman>i never use it but i wanted to see what effect fftw had on things.
00:20<Chutt>the straight spectrum analyzer uses fftw as well
00:20<inman>good work on speeding up stuff, thor.
00:21<thor>It's actually **much** faster now (my code)
00:21<thor>but I clearly need to get in a couple of quick bug fixes
00:21<thor>first
00:21<Chutt>no worries
00:22<Chutt>bugs is bugs
00:22<Chutt>they get fixed eventually, unless i decide to call it a feature
00:22<thor>think of all the table space being wasted !!!
00:28<Kuwanger>Interesting program..
00:28<Kuwanger>Now I just need to setup a script thingy to keep mythbackend running.
00:29<Chutt>it dies on you?
00:29<Kuwanger>Hmm? No, not yet.
00:29<Kuwanger>mythfrontend 0.7 had a tendency to crash sometimes when ending a show.
00:30<Kuwanger>Ie, when I press escape while watching a prerecorded show.
00:30<Kuwanger>err, pressed
00:30<Chutt>ah
00:30<thor>backend in my living room has been up for a good two weeks
00:30<Chutt>well, if that still happens, the backend'll still be running
00:30<Kuwanger>That's good to hear.
00:30<Chutt>but, that shouldn't happen
00:31<Kuwanger>I should still setup a script, though it'll be for bootup so I can renice the backend to a good nice level.
00:32<Chutt>yup
00:34<Kuwanger>What happened to option "T"?
00:34<Chutt>what'd it use to do?
00:34<Kuwanger>aka, record this show at this time on this channel, when available
00:34<Chutt>i don't believe that was ever a separate keybinding
00:35<Kuwanger>No, it has the letter "T".
00:35<Chutt>still there
00:35<Kuwanger>I don't see it.
00:35<Kuwanger>There's A, R, and C.
00:35<Chutt>'Record this program in this timeslot every {week|day}
00:36<Kuwanger>It's not on my list.
00:37<inman>oh, i removed it from your list.
00:42<Kuwanger>How many backend threads should I have running, probably?
00:45<Chutt>when you're not recording
00:45<Kuwanger>Yea, when I'm not recording.
00:46<Chutt>ah, 4, i believe
00:46* Kuwangerseems to have broken mythtv already.
00:46<Chutt>with one tuner card
00:47<Kuwanger>Guess I'll have to debug this to get something useful out of it.
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02:34<Kuwanger>Well, at least I found the segfault.
02:35<Kuwanger>Chutt: You around?
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02:37<Kuwanger>Where would I submit a bug report to?
02:37<moegreen>Kuwanger: if you have a backtrace, send it to the -dev list
02:38<Kuwanger>Okay.
03:17<Kuwanger>Well, maybe this will generate some interesting replies.
03:23<Kuwanger>later
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06:03<cybertek>hey
06:05<cybertek>I have a slight problem, I have compiled mythtv and everything successfully, but when I go to setup and the last one "Input Connections" I dont see anything there.... and when I try to run mythbackend I get: Error getting inputs for the capturecard
06:06<cybertek>lol
06:06<cybertek>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Dev_F10/ATI_GATOS_km_module_help_P50255/
06:06<cybertek>AIW cards will not work as capture/display cards, due to driver limitations.
06:06<cybertek>You need to buy a standalone tuner card.
06:06<cybertek>:(
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08:44<nziarek_>if MySQL isn't running, you can't use things like the EPG, correct?
08:45<nziarek_>'cause, my epg and osd stuff is running fine and grabbing the info, but MythWeb is giving me:
08:45<nziarek_>>> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/html/mythweb/db_open.php on line 20 <<
08:50<Chutt>nziarek, you need the php-mysql stuff
08:58<nziarek_>man o man, i really thought I did a good job on the docs, this time
08:58<nziarek_>thanks
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09:14<nziarek_>is a "load from CD" or "view from CD" feature possible for things like MythMusic/MythGallery/MythVideo/MythGame? I was thinking that it might be nice to be able to burn a CD with a bunch of pictures on it, plop it in the Myth box, open gallery and have it either copy the CD or just load the images from the CD.
09:14<nziarek_>same thing with music, if I had a CD full of mp3s, or games, or trailers of this summers big movies :)
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11:26<Chutt>moegreen, could you check my latest change to playbackbox.cpp when you get a chance, see if it looks correct to you?
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12:38<rkulagow>just checking my new IRC client. anyone see this?
12:38<thor>yup
12:39<thor>MythIRC ? :-)
12:40<rkulagow>yep, that's all we need. we've got everything else, right? i'm surprised that no one has submitted mythBrowser yet.
12:40<rkulagow>(even though it could just be mozilla called from the menu.xml)
12:41<thor>still waiting for MythMeeting (GNU meeting, little webcam on top of the TV)
12:41<Ndiin>lol
12:48<moegreen>Chutt: Everything looks good to me ... I briefly looked into it this morning, but I was tired because I got caught up with the xml stuff last night :)
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13:00<Chutt>cool
13:00<Chutt>pretty simple bug, really, it was just trying to update the display in the middle of updating the lists =)
13:02<moegreen>I've got the graphics done, text areas, and what not done. I'm still thinking about how to show the lists
13:04<Chutt>cool.
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13:22<PXR>pfft, stop by freenode he says
13:22<PXR>where's that dert?
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13:29<davehunn>aha is the bloke who did the debian packages around?
13:30<davehunn>cos they dont depend on libqt3c102-mt-mysql
13:35<inman>PXR: here
13:36<PXR>andy-mon
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13:47<davehunn>connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.2:6543
13:47<davehunn>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
13:47<davehunn>Over/underscanning. V: 0.000000, H: 0.000000, XOff: 0, YOff: 0
13:47<davehunn>Using XV port 51
13:47<davehunn>Illegal instruction
13:47<davehunn>and the front end dies :(
13:48<moegreen>davehunn: You need to turn off the interlacing, the Illegal instruction is probably an MMX command your processor can't handle
13:49<vektor>You mean 'turn off the deinterlacing'.
13:49<vektor>davehunn: What CPU do you have?
13:50<davehunn>celery 300 on this machine
13:50<davehunn>can i do that without recompile?
13:50<moegreen>vektor: indeed, thanks
13:50<Ndiin>its in the playback settings, davehunn
13:51<Ndiin>just a checkbox.
13:51<davehunn>wow didnt reallise setup worked
13:55<davehunn>that is cool :)
13:58<davehunn>hmm
13:58<davehunn>not so good no channel data
14:01<davehunn>not well-formed (invalid token) at line 494, column 74, byte 64752 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 185
14:01<davehunn>i always seem to get this :(
14:02<davehunn>any ideas? tv_grab_uk works fine manually?
14:07<inman>that's not part of myth.
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14:13<davehunn>but it works on the command line just not through mythfilldb
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14:56<nyquiljer>is lowering the volume on line-in all the way down the same as muting it?
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15:04<moegreen>nyquiljer: yeah
15:16<mdz_>davehunn: that mysql dep fix had been sitting in my CVS tree for a while; I've been lazy about uploading new versions. 0.8-10 is up now
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15:27<mdz_>wintry mix indeed
15:27<inman>sucks out there, doesn't it?
15:27<inman>it's fscking APRIL.
15:27<inman>get with the program, Boston!
15:32<Soopaman>we jut got like 5 inches of snow
15:33<inman>i'd prefer snow to ice... :-/
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15:42<Soopaman>you guys got ice?
15:43<inman>yeah, you might say it is a wintry mix.
15:43<inman>typical boston.
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16:09<Chutt>thar, just ordered a wintv pvr-250
16:09<Chutt>remembered i had a gift certificate to amazon sitting unused =)
16:11<inman>today is my lucky day.
16:11<inman>thanks, chutt. :-)
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17:11<nziarek>new mythMusic mock: http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv/images/liquid-to-iulius/new/ilius-music-play.png - please make suggestions :)
17:12* bigguylooks
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17:12<moegreen>nziarek: looks good, I think you are going to need to start making some new fonts for MythTV :)
17:13<moegreen>or find some that can be distributed
17:13<Chutt>too much overlap, i think
17:13<Chutt>and need some indication of shuffle/repeat status, for example
17:13<nziarek_>the artist/album/song or the buttons
17:13<Chutt>both =)
17:13<nziarek_>yeah, still unsure about that, trying to be clean and couldn't think of a good way to put them in
17:13<nziarek_>ah :)
17:14<moegreen>I think an icon in the upper right hand could show the shuffle/repeat status
17:14<Chutt>yup, it could
17:14<Chutt>need a way to select it, though
17:14<Chutt>though, i guess cycling through all the available buttons would work
17:14<moegreen>Chutt: Just about done with the lists, I've cut out a lot of code from the original playbackbox because it was overlapping in places
17:14<Chutt>cool
17:14<Chutt>moegreen, i just linked to your website :p
17:14<nziarek>hmmm...i'll think about those buttons
17:15<nziarek>thanks for the feedback, more is welcome if you got it
17:15<Chutt>wish there was a nice easy way to get cover art
17:15<moegreen>Chutt: MythTV is by far my highest ranked site in redirects :)
17:15<nziarek_>chutt: me too =)
17:16<nziarek_>chutt: actually, both for moe's comment and the covera art thing :)
17:16<bigguy>hmm wonder where mediaplayer and musicmatch grab their coverart
17:16<nziarek_>allmusic.com
17:16<nziarek_>for media player
17:17<nziarek_>that would be nice to get into, too, since it also has allmovies.com and allgames.com
17:17<nziarek_>all with screen shots / cover art available
17:17<Chutt>well
17:17<Chutt>apparently walmart.com has high res images for all their cds
17:17<Chutt>and dvds
17:18<Chutt>like 500x500 or so
17:18<nziarek_>chutt: that would be ideal from a design standpoint; hate to stretch the image...
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17:21<nziarek_>problem with WalMart is that they don't sell some CDs if they are too offensive :P
17:21<nziarek_>like saying WalMart sucks in a song gets you banned
17:21<Chutt>maybe not in the store..
17:24<thor>Chutt, is it a bad thing to construct a thread with a pointer to the object that created it?
17:24<Ripp>where does myth keep the recording settings. Somethings not 'taking' w/ mine.
17:25<Ripp>1/2 hr = 4G? no.
17:26<Chutt>thor, nope, that's fine
17:27<thor>Hmm, seems too easy then. Lightning fast MythMusic coming soon ...
17:31<Chutt>ripp, in the database
17:35<Ripp>do I need to restart the backend for settings to take effect?
17:36<Chutt>no
17:36<Ripp>:/
17:51-!-Kuwanger [nobody@d-72-193.dhcp-149-159.indiana.edu] has joined #mythtv
17:51<Kuwanger>My posting on the dev list is still not listed. :/
17:52<Chutt>did you post with a subscribed address?
17:52<Kuwanger>No?
17:52<Chutt>then why would you expect it to be listed?
17:52<Kuwanger>Because it makes no mention I have to be subscribed?
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17:54<Chutt>running a mailing list with free posting to anyone is, well, stupid
17:54<Kuwanger>Having to subscribe to a mailing list just to post a bug report is, well, stupid.
17:54<Chutt>no, it's not
17:54<Chutt>it ensures that you're able to respond to anyone asking for further information
17:55<Chutt>if you're not willing to do that...
17:55<Kuwanger>No, it ensures that a non-ficticious e-mail account is associated to the bug report.
17:55<Kuwanger>Anything more is arbitrary assumption.
17:55<Chutt>whatever
17:56<Chutt>if you're not going to subscribe to the list, don't bother sending in bug reports
17:56<Chutt>i'm currently seeing 10-15 spam emails sent to the list every day
17:56<Chutt>i'm not going to open up things just because you're lazy
17:57<Kuwanger>I didn't say I was lazy.
17:58<Kuwanger>I didn't bother subscribing because I didn't want to get a lot of spam from the list.
17:58<Kuwanger>I should have just assumed it was a requirement to help.
17:58<Kuwanger>Unfortunately, I have to go.
17:58* Kuwangerwill repost the report later.
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22:16<inman>Chutt: will you accept a patch to make channel changes happen as soon as the channel may be disambiguated from all others?
22:17<inman>this will eliminate the "i have 4-digit channels" and "it doesn't change when i hit 045" complaints.
22:22<inman>Chutt: what is the obstacle to datetime->timestamp patch acceptance?
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22:39<orangey>'ello 'ello
22:40<orangey>does anybody here understand what happens in that video screen dealie where you can watch/record recordings?
22:40<orangey>specifically, I'm wondering if we can "theme" it
22:40<orangey>watch/delete even
22:44<PeteCool>yes you can
22:44<PeteCool>hmm
22:45<orangey>how?
22:45<orangey>can the theme be selected, etc?
22:45<orangey>or does one just replace the "default"?
22:46<inman>it can be selected.
22:46<PeteCool>orangey: this: http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/playback/tutorial/ ?
22:46<PeteCool>or are you talking about something else
22:47<orangey>no no.. I dig it..
22:47<orangey>but my question is once we make this new thing, how can we select it?
22:47<PeteCool>orangey: put it in your theme dir
22:47<PeteCool>Say you're doing one for SasQ, put it in the SasQ dir
22:48<orangey>oh, so does it default only if it's not in the theme dir?
22:48<PeteCool>exactly
22:48<orangey>aaah
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22:55<PeteCool>orangey: what are you working on atm?
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22:57<Chutt>the playback box theming will change soon
22:58<Chutt>so don't get too into making up graphics for it yet =)
23:21<orangey>Chutt: also a question about the "slider"
23:22<orangey>Chutt: What exactly is going on with the png? does the first 2 pixels get repeated or something?
23:22<orangey>or does it uncover the png?
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23:40<nyquiljer>orangey: last i heard, its only the first pixel repeated
23:40<orangey>nyquiljer: dang, yo.
23:40<orangey>oh well : )
23:40<orangey>nyquiljer: http://tarek.2y.net/myth/SasQuatchOSD-0.1.0.tar.gz
23:41<nyquiljer>well, chutt said thats all gonna change
23:42<nyquiljer>i downloadewd it, but gotta look at it later, gotta run
23:42<orangey>later : )
23:43<orangey>0.1.1 is en route.. big change: readme file and .ttf files : )
23:55<orangey>how do I take a screenshot of the video without getting that blue stuff? did that ever get resolved?