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01:01<nziarek>chutt: what type of changes are being made to the playback box?
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04:41<wigginjs>website down?
04:42<choenig>seems to be
04:42<wigginjs>damn
04:51<wigginjs>hmm, only thing I can't figure out is this. When I use a program like XawTV to watch TV the audio stream sounds fine, but when viewing with mythtv the audio sounds garbled with artifacts. This happens with both MP3 compression and uncompressed audio, any ideas?
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08:11<lydickaw>stupid probably-faq-by-now question (but mythtv.org seems down?): is there support for mjpeg encoding in hardware via the matrox cards within mythtv? I googled and saw conflicting reports.
08:12<lydickaw>(i'm trying to decide on a good tuner card to get)
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10:54<nziarek>lydickaw: wait for the site to come back up :) i think there is, but I know very little about it
11:07<orangey>what site?
11:07<orangey>nziarek: SQOSD's first version is ready!
11:08<orangey>What are versioning standards?
11:08<orangey>Right now I'm going with the "whim" standard of version keeping
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11:53<nziarek>orangey: versioning for graphics? I don't know, cause I like to release stuff and then work on it a little. I guess I am a fan of the whim standard :)
11:53<nziarek>do you have the sasquatch OSD ready for dowload? I'd like to try it
11:55<nziarek>orangey: do you think the theme should include the OSD graphics, or should it be seperate (like now)?
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11:56<nziarek>ooops :) didn't see that orangey had quit :)
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12:31<PeteCool>weird, I can't get mythfrontend to display anything now
12:32<PeteCool>I did 'make distclean'
12:33<moegreen>PeteCool: does it not come up - does it say it's connected to the backend?
12:33<PeteCool>moegreen: yes, it says it's connecting, but nothing comes up on the screen
12:34<PeteCool>I am making it start from ssh, but like this: mythfrontend -- -display :0
12:34<PeteCool>it has worked forever
12:35<PeteCool>and the script I used does make anything come up either
12:35<PeteCool>does make = doesn't make
12:36<PeteCool>moegreen: I'll try to find a ps/2 mouse and start it live from the X session
12:36<moegreen>PeteCool: hmmm...you could try exporting the DISPLAY varaible, that's what I do because I was having problems with the xv code not listening to the -display command line
12:37<PeteCool>moegreen: even with DISPLAY=IP:0
12:39<moegreen>PeteCool: what about MythWeather or one of the other modules?
12:39<Ripp>think a 1.2g cel can handle 2 tuners?
12:40<Ripp>no live, just recording
12:40<moegreen>Ripp: that might be a bit much for a 1.2 celeron. Though you could drop the resolutions down enough that it would work
12:41<Ripp>it wouldn't be hi res or anything, probly 352x480 (or 240 even)
12:42<Ripp>trying to put a cheep box together
12:43<Ndiin>my 1.2 athlon can pull off one record at ~40%, live at ~65%, to give some scaling ideas
12:44<Ripp>what fmt/res/bitrate?
12:45<Ndiin>480x480, 3000 scaled
12:46<Ndiin>mpeg4
12:48<Ripp>does hi bitrate=less compression=less cpu%
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12:49<Ndiin>Not necessarily
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12:54<PeteCool>moegreen: mythweather does come up
12:54<PeteCool>moegreen: mythmusic too
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13:08<PeteCool>Chutt: were there changes made to cvs in the last few days that might make mythfrontend not display anything?
13:09<PeteCool>Chutt: other modules do show up
13:10<Chutt>nope
13:11<PeteCool>hmm... I plugged in a mouse, rebooted, and now it fine. weird
13:13<Chutt>might be somethin werid with X, i dunno
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13:17<PeteCool>QClipboard::setData: Cannot set X11 selection owner for PRIMARY... hmm.
13:17<PeteCool>Chutt: is the cvs server working? Looks like I can checkout anything
13:19<PeteCool>Chutt: though I can ping cvs.mythtv.org
13:22<mdz>it's probably just slow
13:23<Chutt>sorry, i had it unplugged because i was filing my taxes and stuff, didn't want the bandwidth drain
13:24<mdz>did you use an online service? good experience?
13:24<mdz>that's on my list for this weekend as well
13:24<Chutt>i use taxact
13:24<Chutt>been buying their deluxe version the past couple years
13:24<mdz>does their site work with browsers other than IE?
13:24<Chutt>it's a windows program
13:24<Chutt>i don't know about their online stuff
13:24<mdz>ah
13:25<mdz>don't have windows here
13:31<Chutt>pretty nice piece of software, though
13:31<Chutt>suggested a change that saved me a grand off what i owed =)
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13:45<wigginjs>is the cvs of mythmusic compilable?
13:45<wigginjs>for the past week or some I've been getting some LCDdestroy() error
13:45<wigginjs>some = so
13:46<PeteCool>it should be working now
13:46<wigginjs>i just grabbed it like, 5 seconds ago =)
13:46<mdz>Chutt: your new mythtv-dev name is "Isaiah"
13:46<wigginjs>PeteCool: you know the one, in main.o?
13:47<mdz>old testament slip I guess
13:49<thor>wigginjs, you need to have a recent (last couple days) mythlib (in MC) for mythmusic
13:51<wigginjs>ok, lemme give that a whirl
13:57<wigginjs>hmm, that works pretty well =)
13:58<thor>Even faster Interface version will be in CVS shortly
14:07<wigginjs>apparently my database is out of whack (according to mythmusic), I added metadata.sql to the database, what could be wrong?
14:14<PBlue_away>can anyone tell me if it would be difficult to make it so linking against libmythtv doesn't require linking againnst X? when I built my little test program, it wouldn't run until I gave it access to the display, even though it isn't used in my app.
14:16<moegreen>PBlue_away: I don't think mythbackend needs a display, you can look at that
14:16<Bonkers>you'd have to modify libmythtv
14:17<PBlue_away>I know it requires changing libmythtv, I'm just wondering how hard it is.
14:17<Bonkers>mythbackend only links libmyth-0.8.so.0
14:17<Bonkers>you can probably jsut comment out all the X11 code if you don't need it
14:20<thor>wigginjs, did you run setup?
14:20<PBlue_away>well, commenting it out isn't an option. this is supposed to be part of myth in the end.
14:20<PBlue_away>I'll look at mythbackend more closely I guess.
14:22<PBlue_away>mythbackend does linnk gainnst X: '...-lmyth-0.8 -lXv -lXinerama -lmp3lame -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread' bbut your right, it doesn't need access to the display when starting, so I need to figure out why my app does.
14:25<Bonkers>don't trust that
14:25<Bonkers>trust ldd
14:26<Bonkers>if you do -lXv and never call a function in libXv, you don't get a dependency
14:26<Bonkers>althoguh it does have dependencies on those, heh
14:26<Bonkers>but libmythtv is still not listed there
14:26<Ndiin>Bonkers: mythbackend links to Qt, which links to X.
14:28<PBlue_away>yeah but my app does nothing more than call NuppelVideoPlayer::ReencodeFile which never touches the display, yet it dies with a 'Can't open display' message (which you can't debug in gdb, because it exits successfully)
14:28<mdz>PBlue_away: you're initializing the mythcontext wrong then
14:28<PBlue_away>mdz: I think I copied it right out of mythbackend. will check tho.
14:31<PBlue_away>I do this...' gContext = new MythContext(false);' it is what mythbackend does.
14:37<PBlue_away>it appears to be this that is causing it 'QApplication a(argc, argv);' adding a 'false' at the end fixes it
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14:44<nziarek>Chutt: you mentioned some changes to the playback box yesterday - will that affect graphics already made?
14:47<moegreen>nziarek: No, i'm working to make it so you can do what is in your mockups just by changing an XML config file
14:47<moegreen>nziarek: When I'm finished you should be able to put any of the 'widgets' anywhere on the screen, make them bigger, etc
14:51<nziarek>moegreen: oh...ok, thanks for the clarification
14:54<moegreen>nziarek: I hope to be done with this today
14:55<moegreen>nziarek: Then I might do mythweather or the program guide
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15:14<PeteCool>Chutt: and now mythfrontend doesn't display anything again
15:14<Chutt>nothing's changed.
15:15<Chutt>if changing other things on your computer fixes it, it's not my fault :p
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15:18<Kuwanger>Uh, should it try to commercial skip on live tv?
15:19<Chutt>sure
15:20<Kuwanger>Should it hang? :)
15:20<Chutt>kind of depends
15:20<Chutt>if you're close to the live part, it'll seem like it's hanging
15:20<Kuwanger>I was watching live tv.
15:20<Kuwanger>So, I was at the exact end, basically.
15:20<Ndiin>If you're trying to go backwards at the beginning it'll hang, and if you try to go forwards when near live, then yes..
15:21<Kuwanger>No, I was just watching tv and then the commercial break started. And I can't escape out.
15:21<Chutt>turn off automatic skipping =)
15:21<Chutt>but if you wait for it to think the commercial is over, it should un-hang itself
15:21<Kuwanger>Well, that's a little hard given mythtv is stuck. :)
15:22* Kuwangeris waiting.
15:22<foom>heh yeah i saw that
15:22<foom>i think that should be treated as a bug
15:22<Chutt>it will be
15:22<foom>ok
15:22<Chutt>the commercial skipping stuff is still very new
15:22<foom>i just thought you were saying it was intended behavior back there. ;)
15:22<Chutt>feel free to fix it
15:24<Kuwanger>Well, it's been longer than a commercial break.
15:25<Chutt>it doesn't know the commercial is over yet, possibly
15:25<Chutt>still looking for more.
15:25<Ndiin>Might take longer because it may be creating a race condition, also..
15:25<Chutt>naw, should be fine
15:25<Kuwanger>It shouldn't be looking for more.
15:26<Chutt>why not?
15:26<Kuwanger>Because commercials don't last 7 minutes?
15:27<Captain_Murdoch>I should probably disable commercial skip during live tv since it can't jump around the video properly looking for blank frames.
15:27<foom>it can, if you're watching behind the front
15:27<foom>it should just never try to go forward ahead of the current head
15:27<Kuwanger>Btw, what happened to the layer code?
15:27<Ndiin>Or behind the first frame =0
15:28<Captain_Murdoch>added something to my TODO list to fix the situation where you're too close to the end of the buffer in live mode. :)
15:28<foom>i had a weird problem with one show but haven't had it happen more than once, any ideas what could cause it? : the video recorded fine, the audio recorded fine, but it seems like the synch between the video and audio was messed up, because the video would play half-speed for about 3 seconds, then speed up and play frames really fast to catch up
15:29<foom>then repeat
15:29<foom>for pretty much the entire show
15:29<Captain_Murdoch>actually somethe code is in there already but there must be a bug
15:29<Chutt>kuwanger, layer?
15:30<Kuwanger>Window Layer
15:30<Chutt>what window layer code?
15:31<Kuwanger>The part I sent in so it'd set the mythtv and mythfrontend windows to fullscreen.
15:31<Kuwanger>Ie, layer 12.
15:31<Chutt>it broke stuff on other people's machines, iirc
15:31<Chutt>so it got taken out
15:31<foom>they already fullscreen aren't they?
15:31<Bonkers>anyone know what could possibly cause choppy video on a 1.8GHz AMD? the CPU is like at 40% when recording and it's still choppy, I've tried 2 HDDs, 2 TV cards, 2 linux distributions, one with gcc 2.95.4 and one with 3.2x, I don't know what else to try, I've got myth running perfectly on one box and I cna't get it to run on this other
15:31<Kuwanger>foom: No.
15:32<foom>they are on my box. :P
15:32<Kuwanger>foom: They're under my taskbar.
15:32<Kuwanger>Or squished.
15:32<foom>oh, turn off taskbar. :)
15:32<foom>bonkers: is harddrive DMA off?
15:32<Kuwanger>You can't just "turn off taskbar".
15:32<foom>do hdparm /dev/hdwhatever
15:32<Bonkers>foom: I'm fairly sure the DMA is on, I get like 30MB/s+ read from hdparm -t
15:32<Bonkers>is there any way to test write?
15:32<Bonkers>oh, and video recorded on my working setup plays fine on the broken one
15:34<foom>you can not run the taskbar in the first place, or you can click the minimize button
15:34<foom>i like being able to start xterms/etc over mythtv, personally. :)
15:34<foom>hm, so what's the diff between the working one and broken one?
15:35<Bonkers>I have no idea
15:35<foom>same hardware?
15:35<Bonkers>no
15:35<Kuwanger>Well, that was sad..
15:35<Bonkers>working = AMD dual proc mobo w/ GeForce3, broken = SiS single proc mobo w/ GeForce2
15:36<Bonkers>both should have quite enough CPU for the job, the broken never hits more than 60% CPU even while watching live tv
15:36<Kuwanger>What does "MaxBufferFill" really mean?
15:37<foom>hm, what kernel version/versions?
15:37<Chutt>that's explained in the help text in setup
15:37<Kuwanger>Vaguely.
15:37<Bonkers>working = 2.4.19, broken = 2.4.20, haven't tried 2.5 on the broken yet
15:37<Bonkers>actually working is working on 2.5.60 and 2.4.19
15:37<Kuwanger>I don't understand it, though.
15:38<Chutt>it's the minimum amount of free space in the ringbuffer before it'll force an unpause
15:38<Chutt>in MB
15:38<Kuwanger>Why MB?
15:38<Chutt>why not?
15:38<foom>that's how hard drive space is measured. :P
15:39<Chutt>it doesn't need to be a large amount
15:39<Kuwanger>Well, for one thing you have a scale of 0 to 100..
15:39<Kuwanger>For second, why does it say "How full the Live TV buffer is allowed to grow"? That sounds like it's the amount of usage allowed, not the amount of free space left.
15:39<Chutt>full, not large
15:41<Kuwanger>Half full or half empty.
15:41<Kuwanger>?
15:41<Bonkers>twice as big as it needs to be
15:41* Kuwangerdoesn't understand why you'd have a 5GB Live TV buffer and only use 5GB-100MB for live tv.
15:42<foom>hm bonkers: what kind of choppy does it get?
15:42<Chutt>because you don't want bad things to happen when you have it paused for hours
15:42<Bonkers>foom: at first glance it may look smooth, but at closer inspection and long watching it's clearly not as fluid as live TV, you can see it very badly jumping when the camera pans slowly
15:43<Kuwanger>Chutt: Huh?
15:43<Chutt>bonkers, compare refresh rates in x?
15:43<Bonkers>Chutt: a file from my good box plays perfectly on the bad box
15:43<Bonkers>this is why I'm so confused and at a loss
15:43<thor>Chutt, are the mailing lists down?
15:43<Bonkers>my next step is going to be profiling all the code I think
15:43<Chutt>thor, not that i'm aware of
15:43<foom>no they're working fine
15:44<foom>i just posted to one
15:44<thor>Hmmm ... any cvs commits to mythmusic in the last 2 days?
15:44<Kuwanger>Chutt: If you have it paused for hours, your only concern is writing over the start of the ring buffer. And that's a matter of the *encoder* knowing how much space it needs to continue encoding and hence begin playing again without stomping over the existing ringbuffer.
15:44<foom>bonkers: maybe the sound synch card?
15:44<Chutt>yup
15:44<foom>er, synch with the sound card, i meant to say
15:44<thor>I mean from other than me
15:45<Chutt>not that i'm aware of
15:45<foom>bonkers: are you running ALSA?
15:45<Bonkers>foom: both SB Live! cards using emu10k1 alsa, although they are slightly different models, in late may I'll be home and I can try my card in that machine
15:45<Chutt>kuwanger, err, and that setting is telling the encoder how much space to keep "free"
15:45<foom>hrm
15:45<thor>hmmm kmail stops working after 3 weeks?
15:45<Bonkers>I'm at school in NY and this box is back in MA so it's not too easy to swap hardware
15:46<Kuwanger>Chutt: Which me the user has to guess at? :)
15:46<Bonkers>working = NY and broken = MA
15:46<Chutt>you don't have to change it
15:46<Kuwanger>I do since I don't use a GB buffer.
15:47<Chutt>how's that change anything?
15:47<foom>i never even noticed that setting. :P
15:48<Kuwanger>Chutt: 100MB free space with a 5MB == weird things
15:48<Kuwanger>err, 5MB livetv ring buffer
15:48<Chutt>wouldn't you rather use xawtv or tvtime instead of that?
15:49<Kuwanger>Hmm?
15:49<Chutt>since a 5MB live tv buffer is essentially useless
15:49<Kuwanger>I don't watch live tv, normally.
15:49<Kuwanger>So, it's a non-issue really.
15:49<Kuwanger>live tv just happens to be a reasonable way to see how myth is working at the moment.
15:49<Chutt>thor, i _will_ be making a mod to mythmusic soon, though
15:51<Chutt>nothin major, of course
15:51<Kuwanger>Well, it still fails with 20MB ringbuffer, 1MB free space. :/
15:52<Chutt>20MB fills up in pretty much no time at all
15:53<Kuwanger>It shouldn't at all.
15:53<Kuwanger>I'm not pausing.
15:53<Chutt>sure it should
15:54<Chutt>but anyway
15:54<Chutt>you're giving it illegal values for sizes
15:54<Kuwanger>illegal in..?
15:54<Chutt>so i really don't care what it does =)
15:54<foom>it fills up the buffer always, of course, since it lets you rewind
15:54<Chutt>if it's not selectable by the UI, it's illegal
15:55<Kuwanger>foom: It shouldn't reach a "forced unpause" state.
15:55<Ndiin>Kuwanger: the point is that its *always* recording to that ringbuffer.
15:55<Kuwanger>Ndiin: Fine, it is. The point from current to head is near 0, however.
15:57* Kuwangerwill just reset the encoding bitrate to a rate to see if this same problem exists in "legal" values.
15:58<Chutt>the ui only allows the user to select good values
15:59<Chutt>if you go beyond that, you're on your own with whatever happens
15:59<Kuwanger>Looks liked I'd have to run this for at least 23 minutes to see any problems..
16:00* Kuwangerwill see if he can pull that off, then.
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16:00<thor>Chutt, commits ... you might want to verbally abuse me for using a QThread
16:00-!-Chutt has changed the topic to: http://www.mythtv.org/
16:00<Chutt>heh
16:00<Chutt>whatever you used is fine
16:01<thor>Try mythmusic with some CDs ... very cool
16:01<Chutt>i'm going to be adding some versioning symbols to the lib
16:02<Chutt>and bumping up the soname to 0.9
16:02<thor>If you're looking at mythmusic, you can segfault it by just holding the down key in the playback screen (takes a while)
16:16<Kuwanger>17 minutes..
16:16* Kuwangercrosses his fingers. :)
16:17<Chutt>thor, can you put the cd item back below the all music item?
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16:21<Chutt>how often does it poll?
16:21<thor>10 seconds
16:21<Chutt>ok
16:22<Chutt>looks good to me =)
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16:23<thor>CD item is back down
16:23<Chutt>thanks
16:24<PeteCool>Chutt: I think I'd call the ScheduleRecordings page a change, btw
16:24<Chutt>hm/
16:24<Chutt>err, hm?
16:24<thor>hm?
16:25<PeteCool>you said there weren't any changes, but... there were. I'm recompiling X + drivers atm, this might help. Or not (not saying those are the root of the problem though... I didn't even look at the changeset yet)
16:26<PeteCool>going now though
16:26<Chutt>there hasn't been anything major
16:26<thor>What as that hm?
16:26<Chutt>thor, to petecool
16:26<Chutt>there, lib versioning is in
16:27<Chutt>make distclean everywhere =)
16:33<Chutt>i'm holding down in the playback screen
16:33<Chutt>no problems yet =)
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16:36<moegreen>1
16:36<moegreen>heh, oops
16:39<Kuwanger>odd..
16:40<thor>Chutt, with keyboard accelerators on
16:40<Chutt>thor, yeah, i turned them on
16:40<Chutt>held it down for a few minutes, nothing bad happened
16:40<thor>hmmm ... it must be LCD stuff then
16:40<Ndiin>it only happens occasionally I've noticed.. and it never wants to happen when I run it in gdb
16:41<thor>back trace when it does it is always way down in libvorbisfile
16:41<Kuwanger>Oh well.
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16:44<foom>heh i just tried closedcaption for the first time, the font is like 12pt or something (invisibly small), where's that set?
16:58<sc00p>would a dual P2-333 box with 256 mb of ram be sufficient for a frontend box?
16:59<foom>i suspect it would
16:59<foom>decoding mpeg4 takes nearly no CPU usage
17:00<foom>i don't think the dual gets you anything though
17:00<Ndiin>foom: er, well.. my celeron 466 takes nearly full cpu to decode mpeg4..
17:00<Ndiin>which is my frontend box
17:00<foom>hrm
17:00<Ndiin>It actually drops frames.
17:01<foom>it takes 0.3%-.7% cpu on my athlon 1800+
17:02<thor>foom, Matrox?
17:02<foom>no, mpeg4 software decoding
17:03<foom>with Xv scaling
17:03<Ndiin>thor: hmm, newest mythmusic: Under all music, there is a blank entry, with the actual contents of all music below it
17:04<thor>huh?
17:04<Ndiin>All the actual entries are being put under a blank-named parent node
17:05<Ndiin>with "directory" as the tree structure
17:06<thor>It depends on your directory structure (I think) ... mine works fine if I switch to Directory
17:07<thor>I completely rewrote all of it, so maybe I didn't do what was originally intended (?)
17:07<Ndiin>well, all I have is: /usr2/mp3, under that is one directory for each album
17:07<Ndiin>no subdirs (besides albums with multiple cds)
17:07<Ndiin>Let me do a quick screenshot. one sec.
17:08<thor>But it's fast, right :-)
17:08<Ndiin>yeah =)
17:09<Ndiin>http://members.cox.net/~ndiin1/mythmusic.png
17:09<thor>hmmm
17:10<thor>is your startdir value "/usr2" or "/usr2/mp3"
17:10<Ndiin>usr2/mp3
17:10<thor>hmmmm
17:10<thor>this is a good one
17:10<thor>try /usr2/mp3/ (with the extra slash)
17:11<moegreen>could be a nice box: http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductDetail.asp?vID=154&CID=172
17:11<Ndiin>That worked.
17:11<foom>reviews of iwill boxes i saw said shuttle were better
17:12<thor>hmmm ... now to figure out why it's doing that .... and fix .... weird
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17:13<thor>Ndiin, in the meantime, try poping in and out a few CDs (while in Select Music) ... I'm just so damn proud of that
17:13<Ndiin>hehe,
17:13<Ndiin>just found a bug though..
17:13<Ndiin>gonna try to reproduce it
17:13<Ndiin>one sec
17:13<Ndiin>yep
17:14<thor>bb 2 minutes
17:14<Ndiin>thor: in playback mode, goto edit playlist, then hit esc
17:14<Ndiin>and *boom*
17:15<Ndiin>The response on movement in edit playlist (during playback) is sluggish as well
17:15* Ndiincompiles for debug
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17:19<thor>oh crap
17:20<Ndiin>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
17:20<Ndiin>[Switching to Thread 49156 (LWP 7195)]
17:20<Ndiin>0x0807d137 in QValueList<Metadata>::clear() (this=0x4054956b) at /usr/qt/3/include/qvaluelist.h:595
17:20<Ndiin>595 if ( sh->count == 1 ) sh->clear(); else { sh->deref(); sh = new QValueListPrivate<T>; }
17:20<Ndiin>(gdb) bt
17:20<Ndiin>#0 0x0807d137 in QValueList<Metadata>::clear() (this=0x4054956b)
17:20<Ndiin> at /usr/qt/3/include/qvaluelist.h:595
17:20<Ndiin>#1 0x0807b758 in AllMusic::clearCDData() (this=0x4054951f) at metadata.cpp:634
17:20<Ndiin>#2 0x08065ae2 in DatabaseBox::nukeCD() (this=0xbfffe2f0) at databasebox.cpp:693
17:20<Ndiin>#3 0x08065d85 in ReadCDThread::run() (this=0x85f26c0) at databasebox.cpp:735
17:20<Ndiin>#4 0x4058dab8 in start_thread () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
17:20<thor>threads
17:21<thor>see Chutt, I have no idea what I'm doing
17:21<Ndiin>hehe
17:22<Ndiin>I think its because the thread is trying to access the parent after the parent is killed
17:23<thor>possibly ... hang on ... checking a couple of things
17:24<Ndiin>Thats exactly what it is..
17:24<Ndiin>595 if ( sh->count == 1 ) sh->clear(); else { sh->deref(); sh = new QValueListPrivate<T>; }
17:24<Ndiin>(gdb) p sh
17:24<Ndiin>$3 = (QValueListPrivate<Metadata> *) 0xe8240489
17:24<Ndiin>(gdb) p sh->count
17:24<Ndiin>Cannot access memory at address 0xe8240489
17:26<sc00p>when I try to compile mythmusic with --enable-sdl, I get flac errors at the point where (I think) it tries to link everything together. Anyone seen this before?
17:27<Ndiin>What version of flac?
17:28<sc00p>I've tried both 1.0.4 and 1.1.0
17:28<Ndiin>hmm
17:28<sc00p>currently 1.0.4
17:30<sc00p>I'm not using QT 3.1, which I know is strongly recommended
17:31<Ndiin>What are the errors, anyhow?
17:32<sc00p>a bunch of stuff that looks like this... this being the first:
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>: undefined reference to `FLAC__seekable_stream_decoder_process_until_end_of_metadata'
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>: undefined reference to `FLAC__seekable_stream_decoder_process_until_end_of_metadata'
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>: undefined reference to `FLAC__seekable_stream_decoder_process_until_end_of_metadata'
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>: undefined reference to `FLAC__seekable_stream_decoder_process_until_end_of_metadata'
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>: undefined reference to `FLAC__seekable_stream_decoder_process_until_end_of_metadata'
17:33<sc00p>flacdecoder.o(.text+0x618): In function `FlacDecoder::initialize(void)':
17:33<sc00p>sorry
17:34<mdz>it works fine with flac 1.0.4
17:34<Ndiin>works fine with 1.1.0, as well
17:34<mdz>at least, 0.8 did
17:34<mdz>are you building 0.8 or something from CVS?
17:35<Ndiin>Thats a problem with an old flac lib, though..
17:35<sc00p>it's never worked for me since the new options went into mythmusic, updating cvs every so often
17:36<sc00p>it only craps out when I --enable-sdl
17:36<Ndiin>Is sdl linked to an old version of flac thats no longer installed?
17:36<sc00p>I dunno, maybe... I'm using the debian sdl packages
17:37<Ndiin>run ldd on it
17:37<sc00p>ok, what does that mean? =)
17:37<sc00p>run ldd on flac or sdl?
17:38<Ndiin>it means, run: ldd /path/to/libSDL.so
17:39<Ndiin>I dont see any interdependencies between the two at all, personally..
17:39<sc00p>ok, should I see something about flac in this output?
17:39<Ndiin>I don't.
17:39<sc00p>neither do I.. what am I looking for?
17:39<Ndiin>If its not there, thats not the problem
17:40<sc00p>ok, it's not
17:41<Ndiin>are you absolutely positive you have no extra libFLAC.so's running around?
17:41<PeteCool>stupid X that won't work!!! AAARGH
17:42<sc00p>ack, that's probably it
17:43<sc00p>I've got some flac deb packages installed, let me get rid of those and try again
17:47<PeteCool>wow, I was able to get to mythfrontend
17:48<PeteCool>it then crashed in the epg
17:48<PeteCool>that's a start...
17:48<sc00p>Ndiin: thanks for your help, that compiled successfully... and I learned something too
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18:06<Ndiin>thor: That's not really a fix.. you can crash it just the same if you exit out of Select Music before the thread finishes as well
18:06<Ndiin>but it'll do, I suppose
18:06<Ndiin>hehe
18:06<thor>sort of a panic fix, till I can figure out the right way to fix it
18:07<Ndiin>I haven't dealt with threading in C++ at all.. so I'm of little use =(
18:07<thor>me either
18:07<Ndiin>but basicly you just need a way to tell the child to die
18:08<Ndiin>*or*
18:08<Ndiin>make the exit wait() on the child
18:08<thor>tried that
18:08<thor>just waiting .......
18:08<Ndiin>hmm
18:08<thor>I'm doing something really wrong somewhere ... I'll find it
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18:28<Chutt>thor, what you want to do is have a variable in the readcdthread class that tells it when to exit
18:28<Chutt>then you set that to true when you're exiting the databasebox
18:28<Chutt>and wait on it then
18:28<Chutt>i think
18:29<Chutt>but, hrm
18:29<Chutt>oh
18:29<Chutt>if you're waiting on it
18:30<thor>Not in CVS code, but when I wait on it ... it just waits
18:30<Chutt>never mind that about the exit var
18:30<Chutt>qApp->unlock(), then wait on it
18:30<thor>AHHHHH
18:30<Chutt>destructor has the application lock
18:30<thor>I just solved this another way
18:30<Chutt>i'd kill off the timer before you did that, as well
18:31<thor>Do no qApp->lock() (don't call any Qt code instead)
18:31<Chutt>how's it updating things, then?
18:31<thor>off the timer
18:32<thor>(one cycle behind)
18:32<Chutt>isn't it easier to just use the locks? =)
18:32<thor>might be, but I don't really know what I'm doing
18:33<foom>heh it's always easier to not have threads if you have the choice
18:33<Chutt>naw
18:33<thor>want snappy UI
18:33<Chutt>it's not
18:34<Chutt>once you're comfortable with threads, they're generally easier to work with
18:35<foom>i consider myself comfortable with threads, but i know i'll never get all the locking stuff right, so in apps i write i usually do time-consuming stuff (e.g. blocking IO on threads that simply queue up the results on a main thread's list of things to do
18:35<thor>So ... I've got it fixed by calling no Qt code ... do you want me to redo it as qApp->unlock() in the DatabaseBox destructor
18:35<foom>that way i only have to worry about locking the one list of things to do, and nothing else in the app
18:35<Chutt>thor, however you want
18:37<PeteCool>I'd need a dummy X client (to be the exec'd client in my xinit script) what could I use?
18:38<lydickaw>to hold the xserver open?
18:38<PeteCool>lydickaw: yep
18:39<lydickaw>hmmm
18:39<PeteCool>so I can kill mythfrontend without killing X
18:39<lydickaw>oh, that makes sense.
18:39<lydickaw>does gtk make a connection to X when you call gtk_init()
18:39<lydickaw>without creating a window?
18:39<PeteCool>or I could exec the WM instead of mythfrontend
18:39<lydickaw>you could create a simple app
18:39<lydickaw>true. just use something light.
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18:43<PeteCool>most of the time when I start X it doesn't want to display anything, the screen stays dark (with nvidia latest drivers)... does it do that to you Chutt?
18:43<lydickaw>can anyone recommend a card with IR support + mjpeg encoding. if I have a fast enough (celeron 1.7ghz / p4-based) processor, am I better off just encoding raw -> mpeg4 in software?
18:44<PeteCool>lydickaw: you don't need mjpeg at all
18:44<PeteCool>lydickaw: also, it seems the boards which include IR receivers and remotes, those receivers and remotes suck
18:44<lydickaw>better to get a seperate ir dongle?
18:45<PeteCool>lydickaw: you cpu is fast enough... though the p4-celeron ins't fast for a p4-based cpu
18:45<lydickaw>if I get one, can it use it for input and controlling my (@#*$@($ cable box?
18:45<PeteCool>lydickaw: then you'd need an "IR Blaster"
18:45<PeteCool>lirc.org lists some vendors
18:45<lydickaw>k, i was reading docs on that earlier.
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18:47<lydickaw>are there benchmarks on required processor for certain tasks?
18:47<lydickaw>(for mythtv or ffmpeg, i suppose, since the mpeg4 encoder is derived from that)
18:47<PeteCool>lydickaw: there are some numbers in the docs somewhere
18:47<PeteCool>lydickaw: I'm doing 320x480 with High-Quality Mpeg4 on a Celeron 1.1ghz
18:47<lydickaw>will the quality suck if I store as HQ mjpeg and convert it to mpeg4 later? or is too much lost in the encodings.
18:48<lydickaw>that seems pretty reasonable.
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18:48<PeteCool>I think the mjpeg capture cards are limited to 320x240
18:48<lydickaw>I have the chance to build the machine from scratch, so I wanted to pick the best (or at least easiest to work with) set of components.
18:49<lydickaw>ahhhh.
18:49<PeteCool>lydickaw: I'd get the slowest possible athlon xp, not a p4-celeron
18:50<lydickaw>had anyone tried getting the tv-out working on the barebones shuttle machines?
18:50<lydickaw>I assume not.
18:50<PeteCool>lydickaw: the p4-celeron is the crappiest intel cpu since... a long time. If you haven't bought it, please don't
18:50<PeteCool>lydickaw: a p4-1.6A would be faster
18:51<lydickaw>heh. I'll look into the athlon xp instead. the mb+case I wanted for it was cheaper anyway.
18:52<PeteCool>lydickaw: some people were able to get the tv-out to work on the shuttles sk41g and ss40g
18:54<lydickaw>I think that settles it then. I'll find a shuttle with the same chipset + athlon xp. and just get the all-in-wonder ve and some assorted dongles.
18:54<lydickaw>:)
18:54<PeteCool>not an all-in-wonder
18:54<lydickaw>no?
18:54<PeteCool>they won't work because of driver limitations
18:54<lydickaw>damn. i'm glad i asked first
18:54<foom>yeah i have shuttle sk41g
18:55<foom>i like it
18:55<PeteCool>you could get a TV Wonder or TV Wonder VE, or one of the wintv Hauppauges
18:55<lydickaw>sorry
18:55<PeteCool>foom: is it worth the extra cost?
18:55<lydickaw>that is what I meant
18:55<foom>i like pretty things
18:55<lydickaw>foom: i totally agree
18:55<foom>the case looks nice
18:55<foom>that, plus the cool heatpipe is what made me get it
18:56<lydickaw>is it quiet?
18:56<foom>yeah
18:56<lydickaw>oh cool. newegg still has it.
18:56<PeteCool>foom: had you looked at the "htpc" coolermaster (I think) cases
18:57<lydickaw>does the onboard audio suck too much for my lowend stero system?
18:57<PeteCool>foom: let me get the urls'
18:57<foom>i don't know whether the onboard audio sucks cause i'm not using it to its fullest in any way
18:57<foom>i have it connected to my crap TV speakers
18:57<PeteCool>http://directron.com/atc600dx1.html
18:57<foom>but it has 6channel sound
18:58<lydickaw>ahhh. i'm just going to run mine into my stereo amplifier
18:58<PeteCool>http://directron.com/atc600gx1.html
18:58<lydickaw>it is by no means fantastic, but i doubt i'll notice
18:59<PeteCool>foom: those look nice too... and you can have easily upgradeable motherboards, and 3 pci + 1 agp mATX board
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19:00<foom>i like small too. :)
19:00<foom>this is 11"x7"x7" or so
19:00<PeteCool>foom: that might be a problem... it's so light it could fall off wherever I put it
19:00<PeteCool>:)
19:00<foom>heh
19:01<foom>i figure if i want a second tv card i'll either sell this and build a new system with space for 2 or just get a usb2/firewire video capture device which should no doubt exist by then
19:01<foom>but i'm perfectly happy with 1 right now
19:01<lydickaw>foom: how many HD can you stuff into your system?
19:01<foom>it could fit 2, or 3 if you don't have a cd/dvd drive
19:02<foom>it has 1 5.25" bay, 1 3.5" exposed bay, 1 3.5" hidden bay
19:02<lydickaw>i'll probably stick a dvd drive into it and use it for ripping/encoding, ahhh, enencrypted dvds
19:02<lydickaw>cool, i think 2 drives should be just right
19:02<foom>it has a cool blue power light on the front too. :)
19:03<foom>the only bad part is that i don't know of any CD/DVD drive that has a face that looks anywhere as nice as the case
19:04<PeteCool>lydickaw: make sure you choose a hard disk that isn't too hot
19:04<lydickaw>ahhh
19:04<lydickaw>didn't think of that
19:04<foom>yeah, use 5400RPM
19:04<lydickaw>is that fast enough?
19:04<lydickaw>they are cheaper anyway
19:04<foom>7200 isn't necessary
19:04<lydickaw>cool. 5400 it is
19:04<lydickaw>can you get 120g 5400 any more?
19:04<foom>yeah
19:04<lydickaw>cool
19:04<PeteCool>foom: you could trim off the sides (the part that makes it attach to the case) of the front plate and glue the remaining cover to the plate on the front of the cd
19:05<PeteCool>foom: I did that on my desktop alu case
19:05<foom>hm
19:05<foom>i should investigate doing something like that
19:06<PeteCool>foom: I even saw shots of a shuttle modded that way
19:06<lydickaw>hmmm. is there room for a fan? I was hoping to get all my parts from one place and newegg only has 7200rpm :(
19:07<foom>it has a big fan..i'm sure 7200rpm will be fine
19:07<foom>it might just mean the fan speeds up below slowest speed sometimes
19:07<lydickaw>that is fine. i'll just turn up the tv :)
19:07<PeteCool>lydickaw: which hd would you buy?
19:07<foom>with athlon 1800+, maxtor 5400rpm fluid bearings drive i have in there, the fan has never gone above slow speed
19:08<PeteCool>lydickaw: there a very big differences between the hottest and coolest hd's
19:08<lydickaw>ahhh
19:08<lydickaw>have a recommendation?
19:08<PeteCool>whoa, ugly sentence
19:08<PeteCool>Let me look at what newegg has
19:08<foom>i recommend the one i got, since i just got it after looking around for a bit. :)
19:08<lydickaw>btw, does 2mb cache vs. 8mb cache make a difference for this application?
19:09<foom>unlikely
19:09<lydickaw>it seems that anything with large amounts of throughput
19:09<lydickaw>would just screw the cache continually anyway
19:09<foom>i recommend getting a drive with fluid bearings because, at least for maxtor it was 25dB vs 35dB or something huge like that
19:10<lydickaw>cool
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19:14<lydickaw>MAXTOR 120.0GB 7200RPM 2MB Cache Model # 6Y120L0
19:14<lydickaw>has fluid bearings
19:14<lydickaw>is only 118
19:14<PeteCool>lydickaw: yes, that one would work great
19:14<lydickaw>i think that will be the one
19:14* lydickawadds it to his list
19:15<lydickaw>ok, i think i've been prevented from doing anything stupid
19:15<lydickaw>foom: is your mb for AMD or intel? it wasn't clear on newegg's site
19:15<lydickaw>heh
19:15<foom>41g is amd
19:15<lydickaw>k
19:15<foom>51g is intel
19:16<lydickaw>41g with the most affordable althlon chip then
19:16<lydickaw>perf/price
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19:17<lydickaw>well, thanks for all of your help.
19:17<lydickaw>i think i'll scurry off to find some dinner, then place an order.
19:17<lydickaw>i'll pop back by after i get my new toys :)
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19:18<foom>read my emails about what you need to do to get the thing working, there are a couple of things you might run into.
19:18<lydickaw-away>foom: i'll hit the archives
19:18<foom>yup
19:19<lydickaw-away>i'll probably get a dvd/cdrw drive
19:19<lydickaw-away>for backing up to cd, and ripping/playing dvd
19:19<lydickaw-away>anyone know any issues with that?
19:19<foom>i wanna get a dvd-rw drive, i dunno if i want to pay that much though. :)
19:19<lydickaw-away>i'm waiting on that
19:19<lydickaw-away>but i've seen cdrw + dvd (rader)
19:19<foom>yeah
19:19<lydickaw-away>reader even
19:20<foom>those are only like $100 or so i think
19:20<lydickaw-away>works well in my laptop
19:20<foom>i assume linux works with them, but i dunno
19:20<lydickaw-away>ok, thanks. i'm really off this time :)
19:26<PeteCool>hmm, whenever myth tries to access the db (except at startup) myth hangs
19:27<PeteCool>and then I have to reboot because whenever I started X once it won't work ever again
19:27<PeteCool>dammit
19:31<PeteCool>as long as I don't get into a db-heavy part (watch recordings, epg are "db-heavy") it won't hang
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20:03<PeteCool>at least tvtime works
21:21<PeteCool>Chutt: what on your to-do after osd xml theme format? I'm curious/anxious to know what's next :)
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21:29<Chutt>seeing what it'll take to support the wintv pvr-250
21:29<Chutt>then fixing up the setup stuff
21:29<Chutt>then probably putting out 0.9
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21:40<PeteCool>Chutt: If you rename/remove the theme directory, setup jumps straight from the two clearing questions to the "run mythfilldatabase" prompt
21:40<Chutt>heh
21:40<PeteCool>you might call that a bug
21:40<PeteCool>or not
21:41<Chutt>yup, it is
21:44<PeteCool>setup looks much nicer now than a month ago... readable text :)
21:44<PeteCool>(for the help part)
21:44<Chutt>ah
21:45<Chutt>still need to go through and write help text for stuff that doesn't have it and stuff
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21:51<lydickaw>is there any work being done on scene-change detection?
21:51<PeteCool>I can change the channel callsign as I please, right?
21:52<Chutt>yup
21:54<PeteCool>rebuilding X, qt, mysql and nvidia driver seems to have fixed my problems ( >15 hours later =)
21:54<Chutt>heh
21:59<Chutt>thor, this is _very_ nice =)
22:01<PeteCool>where is tarek when I want to thank him
22:01<PeteCool>his osd is great
22:02<Chutt>i haven't tried it yet
22:02<Chutt>did he do a dialog box?
22:02<PeteCool>dialogbox eg when you exit a recording?
22:02<Chutt>yeah
22:02<PeteCool>yep
22:02<PeteCool>nice, too
22:02<Chutt>that's the last thing i want to finish for the osd, really
22:03<Chutt>a selection image instead of the drawn rectangle
22:03<PeteCool>whoa, manual recording, nice
22:03<Chutt>another thing i haven't tried
22:03<Chutt>=)
22:04<PeteCool>fills in the title and subtitle with what's currently playing :)
22:04<Chutt>well, i've seen all that
22:04<Chutt>i just haven't tried actually recording anything with it
22:14<PeteCool>hmm, lirc just stopped receiving events... at least I see my picture
22:36<PeteCool>Chutt: the time behind display in live tv isn't always right... when I move forward, the time display advances by the required time, but then the time display rolls back to the "previous time" (actual time behind + time advanced)
22:36<PeteCool>that's in paused mode
22:36<Chutt>the time it displays on the initial ff/rew is just a guess
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22:38<PeteCool>say I'd behind by 0:50... I make it advance by 30 secs. It briefly shows: behind 0:20, but while it's fading, it displays: behind 0:51, 0:52...
22:39<slack9>is it possible to run two bt878 cards at once kinda like picture in picture... does X support it?
22:39<Chutt>slack9, what, like the screenshots on the mythtv website?
22:39<slack9>Chutt: its possible?
22:40<Chutt>well, it'd sure seem to be, what with there being support for it in mythtv
22:40<slack9>nice
22:40<slack9>is it possible to launch two xawtv windows?
22:41<Chutt>depends on how you have it displaying
22:41<slack9>hmm
22:41<slack9>overlay?
22:41<slack9>or grabdisplay
22:41<Chutt>i believe only one card can do overlay at a time
22:41<Chutt>and with grabdisplay, only one instance can be using xv for output at a time
22:41<slack9>ok
22:41<slack9>hmm
22:41<slack9>so how do you do it?
22:42<Chutt>i wouldn't know, i don't use xawtv
22:42<slack9>how does mythtv work?
22:42<Chutt>absolutely nothing at all like xawtv
22:42<slack9>cool
22:43<slack9>i just got a new 120gb drive
22:43<slack9>so I need to install linux onto it
22:43<slack9>what distro do you recommend for good mythtv support?
22:44<slack9>debian, slackware, gentoo, redhat, mandrake?
22:44<PeteCool>slack9: I use gentoo
22:44<Chutt>anything you want to use
22:44<slack9>PeteCool: i use gentoo too
22:44<PeteCool>slack9: they all have their little problems
22:44<slack9>PeteCool: do you know if there is a ebuild?
22:44<PeteCool>slack9: there's an unofficial one in the gentoo bugzilla
22:44<slack9>ok
22:45<slack9>does it work ok?
22:45<slack9>or is it better to compile it from scratch?
22:45<PeteCool>slack9: I'm not using it, I'm building from source
22:45<slack9>ok
22:45<PeteCool>as you please, both will work
22:45<slack9>what is better using CVS or 0.8?
22:46<PeteCool>CVS has more features ATM
22:46<slack9>so cvs is worth using?
22:46<PeteCool>but sometimes it has little problems
22:46<PeteCool>it's worth it to me
22:46<slack9>how fast is it to toggle between mythtv and a webbrowser ?
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22:48<wigginjs>contrib/example.modules.conf.for.btaudio <==-- where is this file?
22:48<wigginjs>it isn't in my contrib dir
22:48<PeteCool>wigginjs: are you using cvs?
22:49<PeteCool>wigginjs: it was only added recently (after 0.8 release)
22:49<wigginjs>yes, CVS as of a couple hours
22:50<wigginjs>not in there when i browse CVS either
22:50<PeteCool>I guess it was overlooked by rkugalow
22:50<wigginjs>is the MSP34xx chip required for btaudio to work?
22:51<PeteCool>look at dmesg output, it sans for three chips
22:51<PeteCool>if it finds none it won't work
22:51<wigginjs>excellent =\
22:51<wigginjs>i think i'm out of luck
22:51<PeteCool>but if it finds one doesn't mean it'll work
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23:18<PeteCool>what I'd like a lot is a movies section in "schedule recordings"
23:18<Chutt>just needs a ui
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23:35<PeteCool>somehow after a few minutes of playback myth doesn't capture any input (remote nor keyboard)
23:35<PeteCool>any ideas what might be causing this weird problem?
23:35<Chutt>the window becoming non-active somehow?
23:37<PeteCool>yeah
23:37<PeteCool>but I don't think it can lose focus
23:38<PeteCool>well it could
23:38<PeteCool>but very very unlikely
23:38<PeteCool>I would have noticed it before today
23:38<Chutt>that's really the only way i can think of for it to do that
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23:43<PeteCool>Chutt: what wm are you using? I forgot, I know I already asked you that one :)
23:44<Chutt>kwin