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00:00<Chutt>just close it and leave the existing open there
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00:01<inman>gotcha.
00:01<Chutt>easiest thing to do, and it doesn't have to mess with nonblocking stuff when it doesn't need to
00:02<inman>that's what the tv code does, i just hadn't read that far. :-P
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00:23<Ndiin>I must be having some serious hardware problem of some sort, heh
00:24<Ndiin>kernel panics on cd reads, openoffice locking all video/input..
00:24* Ndiinmutters
00:24<Ndiin>And whats funny about the openoffice thing..
00:24<Ndiin>I ran it through a tunneled X connection from my laptop.
00:24<Ndiin>And the desktop locked.
00:24<inman>weird.
00:24<Ndiin>Indeed.
00:25<Ndiin>It happens the same way from ssh -X and local running.
00:31<inman>launching openoffice on the laptop locks video on the desktop?
00:32<inman>through ssh, of course.
00:35<Chutt>nice
00:35<Chutt>only very slightly off in my framesPlayed stuff
00:35<Chutt>edit mode works great now =)
00:36<moegreen>heh, http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/guide-with-rec.jpg
00:36<Chutt>nice
00:37<inman>better, moegreen
00:39<Chutt>poptix, my ears will eternally thank you if you fix that whine :p
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00:41<Ndiin>inman: correct. It displays the main window, lasts about 5 seconds, and then *lock*
00:41<Ndiin>inman
00:42<Ndiin>inman: same exact thing happens when run locally, as well.
00:42<inman>i wonder what's happening in those 5secs.
00:42<Ndiin>Makes no sense at all to me.
00:42<Ndiin>I'm thinking its a video problem..
00:42<Ndiin>maybe ill try swapping nvidia drivers
00:43<inman>why would video come into play when you're tunneling X?
00:43<Ndiin>it still has to display at some point
00:43<inman>sniff the network and see what's going on.
00:43<Ndiin>I'm just tunneling the window
00:43<Ndiin>not the entire server
00:44<inman>er, you're launching an app on the desktop and tunneling the output to the laptop.
00:44<Ndiin>Opposite.
00:44<inman>you are worried about video drivers on the desktop?
00:44<Ober>oh lord
00:44<Ndiin>Running from the laptop, displaying on the desktop
00:44<inman>you are worried about video drivers on the desktop?
00:44* Oberjust realized his mencoder script was sizing his video wrong
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00:45<Ndiin>yes, thats the only possible thing I can think of.
00:45<inman>do other apps work fine in the tunnel?
00:45<Ndiin>because the *same* thing happens if I run openoffice locally on the desktop.
00:45<Ndiin>yes
00:45<Ndiin>But openoffice locally on the laptop, works fine.
00:45<Chutt>heh
00:46<inman>it seems more likely to me that openoffice is looking at your cdrom drive, which we know can hose the box.
00:46<Chutt>@regalcinemas.com
00:46<inman>oh wait, you're running it remotely.
00:46<Chutt>get the craziest people emailing me
00:46<inman>yeah, i think maybe you're right.
00:46<inman>Chutt: do they want to rip movies to nuv for us?
00:47<Chutt>naw
00:47<Chutt>this was just some random guy wanting me to add dvd support
00:47<Ndiin>inman: Just to confirm, running remotely from the desktop onto the laptop works fine, as well. So definitely a display problem on the desktop
00:48<Ndiin>very strange, though
00:48<inman>you could also test tunneling from desktop->desktop.
00:49<Ndiin>yes, but running locally locks, and remotely locks, so I dont think its worth bothering
00:49<Ober>amazing compression
00:49<Ober>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1690311720 Apr 28 22:24 millernew.mpg
00:49<Ober>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 309582972 Apr 28 23:29 millernew.mpg.divx
00:49<Chutt>heh
00:49<inman>yeah, cause you cut your resolution in half :-P
00:49<Chutt>the default bitrate for the mpg files is huge, too
00:49<Ober>same size
00:49<Ober>just need to force aspect
00:50<Chutt>it could be half what it is, easily, without losing any appreciable quality
00:50<Ober>4:3 or it looks odd
00:50<Ober>true
00:51<Ndiin>I'll try updating my nvidia drivers to 4363
00:51<Ober>so how big is the data without being encoded -> mpeg2?
00:51<inman>really big
00:51<Chutt>w * h * 3 / 2 * 29.97 * seconds
00:52<inman>you need some parens there.
00:52<Chutt>yeah, whatever
00:52<inman>heh
00:52<Ober>wow
00:52<Chutt>that's bytes, of course
00:53<Chutt>allrighty
00:53<Chutt>only thing that the pvr cards don't do now is generate a preview pixmap
00:53<Ndiin>inman: its multiplication/division.. no parens needed =P
00:53<Chutt>and that should be easily done tomorrow
00:54<Chutt>moegreen, any timeline for when you're going to check that in? =)
00:54<inman>Ndiin: that would make the size smaller with duration. ;-)
00:54<Ndiin>er, no it wouldnt
00:54<moegreen>Chutt: well I just checked in the class changes, i want to add the program arrows at least - then I have to do a few more tests because I was having some random problems with the guidegrid earlier - but it seems to be fine now - heh.
00:55<Chutt>cool
00:55<inman>moegreen: i would really like to be able to adjust the size of the normal epg as we can the alternate epg (rows/cols)
00:55<Chutt>i just want to update the webpage =)
00:55<moegreen>inman: you can
00:55<inman>moegreen: how?
00:56<inman>look, i've stumped him. heh.
00:56<moegreen>inman: right now (the code i have written) uses the alternate epg channel and time settings for both
00:57<inman>oh, the stuff that ain't in cvs. cool, looking forward to it, then.
00:57<moegreen>heh
00:57<moegreen>inman: the 'normal' epg will always come up if there is no video, and if there is video the alternate epg will come up
00:58<inman>sweet
00:58<Chutt>ayup
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01:02<Ndiin_>heh, upgrading the drivers didnt help.
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01:04<Ndiin>heh
01:04<Ndiin>Option "RenderAccel"
01:04<Ndiin>comment it out
01:04<Ndiin>and it works fine.
01:05<Ndiin>Put it back in, *boom*
01:05<inman>that's a known feature.
01:05<Ndiin>The free locking?
01:06<inman>yep. comes with every tarball at absolutely no cost to the victi^Wconsumer.
01:06<Ndiin>hehe
01:08<inman>for those listening here and not on the ivtv list, there seems to be a new $90 avertv card using the iTVC15 chipset, so it should work soon with the pvr-x50 support in myth/ivtv.
01:08<Morph>was it determined if that card had IR capabilities?
01:08<inman>what's nice is that for $90 you are essentially getting the chipset on the pvr-350.
01:09<Morph>its got the decoder too?
01:09<inman>Morph: i dunno, but your ir is working, is it not?
01:09<Morph>yeah..it is..was just wondering :)
01:09<Morph>saw a message about it not having IR..wasnt sure if I missed something else.
01:10<inman>two 1hr recordings with pvr vary by 20meg, each ~3650meg.
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01:11<inman>Morph: i don't think the owner has it working, but it seems very early yet.
01:11<Morph>Nod.
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01:12<Timon>inman: sup b?
01:12<inman>howdy
01:12* inmanflips to cowboy beebop.
01:13<Timon>160gb WD 8mb Cache HD at CompUSA for $130 after rebates
01:13<inman>what speed is it?
01:13<Timon>7200
01:13<inman>nah.
01:13<Timon>me thinks, lemme look
01:13<Timon>yeah, 7200
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01:14<Timon>7200 to slow for you?
01:14<Timon>hey moegreen
01:14<inman>too fast.
01:14<Timon>hahaha
01:14<Timon>Hows that inman?
01:14<Timon>They also have the PVR-250 for $100 after rebates
01:14<moegreen>Timon: ?
01:15<Timon>moegreen: ???
01:15<moegreen>oh, heh...nevermind
01:15<Timon>ok :-)
01:16<inman>i only want 5400's, and anything larger than 120gig breaks the early ide specs.
01:16<inman>which means i can't toss it into a tivo when myth dies off. :-P
01:16<Timon>Do you have anything that needs to maintain compatability with the early spec?
01:16<Timon>hahahaha
01:16<Timon>They have 100's and 120's for cheap too.
01:17<inman>seriously though, i'd rather buy cheap disks in quantity than large disks in fewer numbers.
01:17<inman>spindles matter, density really doesn't.
01:17* inmandoesn't live in CA so he only pays $40/month for electricity.
01:18<Timon>I pay $65, but thats with a hot tub (That adds $15 - $20 / month) and three computers
01:19<Ndiin>multiple drives means your less likely to have them all fail simultaneously =p
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01:21<Timon>Ndiin: Although a buddy of mine, his mail server has a raid 5 config, and one drive failed on him, then in the process of replacing the failed drive, a second drive failed :-)
01:21<Ndiin>lol
01:21<Timon>thank goodness for backups
01:22<inman>that's typical; the extra heat load from syncing causes failures.
01:22<inman>that's why you have a burn-in process before deployment. ;-)
01:22<Timon>Although, I am thinking more and more about how to backup my server which does my mail,web,ftp,dns,file, etc.
01:23<inman>i catch so many disk failures during burn-in it makes me wonder about the stuff i use at home that doesn't see serious load.
01:23<inman>if you go with raid5, realize that you can arbitrary group sizes with multiple local/global spares.
01:23<Timon>inman: he did burn them in. He did all sorts of crap to the machine. He found a spam program and spewed gobs and gobs of mail at the machine for a while to see how well it would hold up
01:23<inman>most people don't realize you can have more than one spare in a global raid (let alone local groups).
01:24<Timon>I didn't know that either
01:31<poptix>i've got some software raid-5 setup
01:31<poptix>works very well.
01:31<inman>ide?
01:35<Timon>inman: what raid config would you use for a home server? Needs to be pretty cheap
01:36<Timon>I was thinking raid 1
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01:41<Timon>[21:39] <Timon> inman: what raid config would you use for a home server? Needs to be pretty cheap
01:41<Timon>[21:40] <Timon> I was thinking raid 1
01:42<_inman_>well, why do you want raid?
01:42<Timon>fault tollerance
01:42<Timon>which is why I was thinking either raid 1 or 5
01:42<_inman_>what do you mean by fault tolerance?
01:43<_inman_>i'm asking this stuff because i don't want to lead you. :-)
01:43<Timon>meaning its I'm going to use it on my mail/web/dns/ftp/file server and I would shit a brick if a drive failed
01:43<Timon>tis perfectly ok
01:45<_inman_>well, raid1 is kinda pricey. i only really use it at high-level, eg. to mirror two already-fault-tolerant volumes.
01:45<_inman_>consider that it either doubles your cost or halves your density.
01:46<Timon>I could go with raid 5, but thats two more drives I have to buy
01:46<Timon>thats why I was thinking 1
01:46<_inman_>what do you mean "two more drives"?
01:46<Timon>I have one 100gb, if I went with raid 5, I would want to add two more 100's
01:47<_inman_>if you are concerned about the cost and don't plan to upgrade the array, just go with a mirror.
01:48<Timon>basicly, I want the best of all the worlds and the minimalist cost :-)
01:48<Timon>I want to start out with raid 1, then as drives get cheaper and cheaper upgrade to raid 5 so I can upgrade my volume as need b
01:48<Timon>e
01:49<_inman_>that may not be possible depending on what raid system you are using.
01:49<Timon>I know :(
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01:49<_inman_>i have not used the new enterprise lvm stuff, so i can't say if that works or not.
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01:50<Timon>screw it, I'll just back up 100gb onto floppies every night :-)
01:50<inman>heh
01:51<inman>one thing i do a lot of is using mirrors for backups.
01:51<inman>basically, you have the mirror just so you can detach it at midnight and do a backup without disrupting i/o or having any issues with files changing during the backup.
01:52<Timon>I have a tape drive, but its only a tr3. Not big enough to backup all my data. Let alone all my future data needs
01:52<inman>backup is like a dirty secret. it's always behind the online density curve.
01:52<Timon>I'm going to take the 100 out of my machine, and swap it with the 20 in my server.
01:52<inman>there are some cool hierarchial storage technologies out there though.
01:53<inman>you can take your 100gig disk and put a dvd-tower behind it.
01:53<Timon>yeah, that will cost some bucks :-)
01:53<inman>the dvds will hold the data you haven't touched for awhile, and the disk holds the stuff you use regularly.
01:53<inman>so you get the speed of the disk for normal stuff and for archival material, you go to dvd.
01:53<inman>and you can pop out a dvd at any time (or add more)
01:54<Timon>problem is I want all my crap to be online all the time.
01:54<Timon>I'm not into the find a cd/dvd thing
01:54<inman>it's automated with robotics.
01:55<Timon>oh, ok. Let me just pull all the green for that outta my backside
01:55<Timon>:-)
01:55<inman>you can use tape, too, if dvd isn't dense enough.
01:55<inman>robotics are pretty cheap.
01:55<inman>you can do a 110*15gig tape changer for only a few thousand.
01:55<Timon>buddies got a tape library, cost them like 10 or 12k for the gizmo
01:55<inman>there ya go.
01:56<Timon>Were talking about for my home though, I don't have pockets that deep.
01:56<inman>i'd just get one of those ide-raid cards, then.
01:56<Timon>I gotta reboot so I can ghost my drive
01:56<inman>much better than having to worry about raid in software.
01:56<Timon>thats what I was thinking
01:57<Timon>yeah, I did a bit of reading on it and they said that your more likely to run into compatability problems with raid in software when you have to rebuild
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02:53<moegreen>ok ... it's really coming along now: http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/guide-arrows1.jpg
02:53<moegreen>and, http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/testing/guide-arrows2.jpg
02:55<inman>cool
02:58<poptix>inman: the ide raid cards suck
02:58<inman>oh?
02:58<poptix>inman: mostly because all but the most expensive ones require you to wait at the POST screen for it to rebuild an array
02:59<inman>what kind of raid is that? bwaha.
02:59<inman>i've never used one, but i figured it'd beat software.
02:59<poptix>it's RAID w/o background recovery =P
02:59<poptix>it doesn't really
02:59<poptix>all the real 'raid' stuff for the ide raid controllers is doen in the driver anyway
03:00<poptix>i configured the onboard Promise RAID controller to go into standard IDE mode 2 more channels, for a total of 4)
03:00<poptix>configured software raid
03:00<poptix>and now if/when the box crashes, or a disk fails, i can see it rebuilding via a /proc entry
03:01<inman>right.
03:01<poptix>there was literally 0 configuration involved beyond the normal fdisk and whatnot with a RH 9 installation
03:01<inman>last time i used software raid on linux, i had to actually hack the kernel.
03:01<inman>that was '97 i guess, maybe '98.
03:01<poptix>well, it's definitely matured
03:01<inman>haven't used the current stuff. :-)
03:01<poptix>uber yummy
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03:34<__inman>Chutt: in two separate recordings, seeking forward would sometimes position me earlier in the stream.
03:35<__inman>continuing playback would let me get past this glitch, so i think it's something in the new seek code.
03:35<__inman>current cvs, etc.
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03:46<inman>saving current position doesn't seem to work and restarting the recording doesn't solve the seek issue; it seems to be failing due to something in the stream.
03:47<inman>i think maybe it's resetting itself to zero. not merely seeking backwards but seeking to the beginning.
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03:57<_inman_>another strange problem; sometimes the audio will vanish and the video will speed up very quickly.
03:58<_inman_>not like my earlier cutouts, during which the video didn't change and the audio was crackly.
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04:13<poptix>i wonder what Chutt thinks about a bugzilla type setup
04:17<__inman>he's not a fan of that kind of structure. that's why i keep my own notes...
04:18<__inman>i really wish there was a central buglist, even if there was no todo/roadmap.
04:26<__inman>Chutt: mind if i publish a buglist/todo/roadmap?
04:26<__inman>anyway... have a good one, matt.
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07:15<poptix>gah.
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07:41<poptix>god damnit mplayer is a piece of shit
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11:31<bline>anyone seen this before: audio volume set to '32768'\nstrange error flushing buffer ...
11:31<bline>followed by loooong deleys
11:34<moegreen>bline: those messages are nothing to worry about, is there something else using your sound card (artsd, esd, etc)?
11:35<bline>only thing fuser shows is mythbackend pids
11:36<bline>maybe this is a duplex problem, I was unable to get btaudio working...
11:36<moegreen>bline: I assume this is going into live tv?
11:36<bline>yeah
11:37<moegreen>bline: are the permissions on the ringbuf.nuv file set correctly?
11:37<bline>it does give those errors right before every single long pause
11:37<bline>yeah
11:38<moegreen>does live tv eventually start?
11:38<bline>it's paused right now, hdd spinning away and mythbackend sitting at 50% cpu
11:38<bline>yeah
11:39<bline>if I wait long enough (from 3 to 15 min) it will start back up playing live tv
11:39<moegreen>bline: is this v0.8 or cvs?
11:39<bline>cvs
11:40<bline>I would dive into the code, but I'm not too familiar with c++
11:46<moegreen>Well...at one point I saw those messages, but it certainly was only once and at the start of watching live tv
11:49<Chutt>hmm
11:49<Chutt>i need a shallower dvd drive
12:17<poptix>Chutt: i whipped up a patch to make the current CVS init the msp34xx like the old one did
12:17<poptix>not sure if it works for changing tuner inputs though
12:18<Chutt>nice
12:27* poptixdoesn't use anything but the tuner
12:28<poptix>i did find some interesting stuff though
12:28<poptix>http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/whine.jpg
12:28<poptix>see the splotches and bars on the far right side?
12:28<poptix>those do not appear in the non-whining driver
12:29<poptix>if i shift everything down by about 16Khz, it sounds like modem chatter
12:29<Chutt>heh
12:29<poptix>(i obviously can't hear it at 20khz)
12:29<Chutt>right
12:31<poptix>oh, and you see the block of white, far right side, middle of the image
12:31<poptix>that's a commercial
12:31<poptix>no sound, and that pops up in the high frequency range
12:31<poptix>noticed it did it for every commercial
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12:33<Chutt>heh
12:33<Chutt>ah well
12:34<Chutt>either this dvd drive needs to be an inch shorter, or the pvr-250 does
12:34<poptix>heh
12:34* poptixhands Chutt the hacksaw
12:35<Chutt>ah well
12:36<Chutt>i was just planning on making this a frontend, anyway
12:36<Chutt>it doesn't need a tuner card =)
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13:27<Chutt>found a cheap black dvd that's 2cm shorter =)
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13:48<poptix>heh
13:48<poptix>is that enough?
13:49<Chutt>yeah
13:49<Chutt>should have a tiny bit to spare
13:50<Chutt>and it's only $40, so it's not breakin the bank to try it out =)
14:00* poptixlooks at his CD-ROM drives
14:13<moegreen>Chutt: want to test drive the EPG stuff to make sure I haven't broken anything big?
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14:15<Chutt>can't quite yet =)
14:16<Chutt>need to put this box back together
14:16<moegreen>heh, ok
14:16<Chutt>waiting on the fedex guy to come
14:16<Chutt>replacement ram for what i took out for the miniitx box
14:16<Chutt>go ahead and check it in, though, i don't care =)
14:17<_inman_>17" sony trinitron crt for $119.
14:17<_inman_>pretty damn good.
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16:45<rkulagow_>chutt: can you please sync website docs to CVS?
16:51<Chutt>in a little bit
16:52<rkulagow_>thanks
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18:16<wigginjs>are there any linux utils that can playback FLAC?
18:18<Morph>mplayer will I think.
18:19<Chutt>i don't believe it does
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18:23<Morph>OOPS. I was thinking FLC.
18:25<_inman_>xmms can playback flac, but why do you need to? you can just filter flac to wav.
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19:17* yebyenupdates to current cvs
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19:27<_shad>Yello
19:27<poptix>salutations
19:28<_shad>I'm finally running at 640x480 :)
19:28<inman>is that good?
19:28<_shad>yes
19:28<_shad>I was running at 352x240 before
19:28<_shad>hehe
19:29<_shad> 19:28:58 up 20 min, 4 users, load average: 0.81, 0.58, 0.32
19:29<_shad>almost all cpu though
19:31<Morph>thats not bad..
19:31<_shad>quite a difference a celeron 300@450 and a p3 700@868 :)
19:31<_shad>I didn't expect it to be this good
19:31<_shad>and I'm using 48k mp3 at 9 quality
19:31<_shad>mpeg4@2200
19:32<_shad>default settings
19:32<yebyen>i'm thinking of changing the resolution
19:32<yebyen>i've got an athlon 700...
19:32<Chutt>so
19:32<yebyen>and I record at 320x480
19:32<yebyen>HEH
19:32<Chutt>the mini-itx box is a good 6dB louder than my xp 1800+
19:32<yebyen>Chutt: damn
19:32<_shad>Chutt: geez :P
19:32<Chutt>entirely due to the fan on the power supply
19:33<_shad>hmm
19:33<_shad>cut it out
19:33<Chutt>that would probably be bad
19:33<_shad>hook it up to +5 instead of +12?
19:33<yebyen>how much is it to replace the power supply? (or, is it possible to replace just the fan)
19:33<Chutt>i'm going to look into putting in a new fan
19:33<yebyen>did you build the machine?
19:34<Chutt>of course :p
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19:34<Chutt>but it's a funky size power supply
19:35<_shad>regular sized fan in it though?
19:35<Chutt>40mm
19:35<_shad>you should just be able to put it to +5 and have it run slower
19:36<Chutt>that'd require getting a +5 line in from outside the powersupply
19:36<Chutt>i really don't want to muck around inside =)
19:36<yebyen>probably saner to just get a quieter fan
19:36<yebyen>heh
19:36<_shad>naw
19:36<_shad>there's +5 on the power supply
19:36<_shad>:P
19:36<Chutt>right
19:36<Chutt>this powersupply has _no_ empty space inside
19:37<Chutt>it's completely packed full
19:37<_shad>heh
19:37<_shad>It'll be a challenge
19:37<inman>the PiP-causes-loss-of-key-input is a reproducable bug.
19:37<_shad>you've already succeeded with myth :P
19:37<Chutt>inman, yes, it is
19:37<yebyen>Chutt: what's going on in current cvs? :)
19:37<Chutt>pvr-250 stuff
19:37<Chutt>moegreen's finishing up the epg
19:37<yebyen>cool
19:38<yebyen>I spotted a commercial_skip.cpp commit, heh
19:38<inman>the smaller the fan is harder it is to keep quiet.
19:40<Chutt>yup
19:40<Chutt>since it has to turn faster to move the same amount of air
19:45<yebyen>i need to find a remote with a better layout for pvr stuff
19:46<Morph>the one with the 250 can be made to work pretty well.
19:46<yebyen>i have the remote that came with the WinTV SVideo
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19:47<yebyen>and it's tiny, so i'm using my cable tv remote
19:47<yebyen>Sci Atlantic digital box
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19:50<yebyen>hrm... i hope this gets done compiling soon
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19:50<yebyen>i have to go leave and pick up chinese food in a few minutes, and at 8:00, Q-Who is on
19:50<yebyen>Enterprise D meets Borg
19:56<yebyen>uh oh, seems iulius doesn't work with current cvs
19:56<yebyen>HEH
19:56<yebyen>*downgrades*
20:00<inman>moegreen: i'd like to see the red outline around programs in the epg that are scheduled to be recorded. sometimes the arrows obscure the 'R'.
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20:56<Chutt>yay, i have X running on my very loud mini-itx box
20:57<Chutt>crappy unaccelerated x, of course
20:57<yebyen>heh
20:58<yebyen>crappy video card?
20:58<yebyen>does it do Xv at least? :)
20:58<Chutt>naw, i'm using the vesa driver on top of the kernel framebuffer
20:58<Chutt>until i get the real X driver going
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21:10<Chutt>oops, looks like i forgot about people that need to use full-duplex sound when i did that 'is something using /dev/dsp' check
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21:17<__inman__>Chutt: sorry, forgot to send the patch last night.
21:18<__inman__>do you still want it (music dsp nonblock) or do you think it needs to be changed?
21:18* __inman__is flooding his little router's nat cache and keeps losing IRC as a result.
21:19<__inman__>i'll send it and you can decide.
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21:36<__inman__>i never liked him anyway.
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21:37<TheAsp>So, incase no one knows, dont use the lastest libstdc++ in sid...
21:38<Morph>Oh. its fubarred.
21:38<Morph>s/Oh/Yeah/
21:39<Morph>discovered that on a machine last night :)
21:39<TheAsp>im having fs issues :P
21:39<nziarek_>moegreen doesn't seem to be around - does any one know if the EPG stuff done?
21:39<TheAsp>so i suspected that corrupted stuff
21:40<Morph>erm. thats not good.
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21:59<moegreen>nziarek_: it's just about done
22:07<nziarek_>moegreen: dang - i just updated :-)
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22:09<moegreen>nziarek_: I think it's done, i just need to commit it I guess
22:11<nziarek_>moegreen: i am not hurrying you, I was just curious. I am hoping to get back to work on the UI after taking a leave of absense for my new frontend.
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22:28<Timon>inman: you here?
22:29<inman>sorta
22:29<inman>what's up?
22:29<Timon>i'm trying to clone my 100g to my 160g, and ghost keeps locking up when it gets to my linux partition. Can I just do this: cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb ?
22:30<inman>use dd if hda is exactly identical to hdb
22:30<Timon>hda == 100gb hdb == 160gb
22:30<Timon>can I still do it?
22:30<inman>what exactly are you trying to do?
22:31<Timon>Clone my 100g onto my 160gb
22:31<inman>you want to make a disk-to-disk backup?
22:31<Timon>more or less
22:31<inman>or, you actually want to switch to the 160gig disk?
22:31<Timon>Switch to the 160
22:31<Timon>Going to take the 100 and put it in my server
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22:31<inman>use cpio, then.
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22:32<Timon>cool, thanks inman
22:32<inman>yep.
22:32<inman>i use rsync, you could use that too, though it may be slower the first time.
22:33<inman>if you plan to do this more than once or want to resume, rsync works well.
22:33<Timon>will rsync copy the parition table and everything?
22:33<inman>no, none of these will (and you don't want 'em to)
22:33<Cloak>you have to repartition first
22:33<Timon>I do want em too :-)
22:33<inman>you need to have both filesystems mounted and just copy the mountpoints, essentially.
22:33<Timon>Argh, such a pain
22:33<Cloak>then you'll lose 60 gb
22:33<Cloak>if the partition table was identical
22:33<Timon>Cloak: thats fine, I'll resize the partition with partition magic
22:34<inman>look, this ain't hard. :-)
22:34<Cloak>heh
22:34<inman>just make a new partition table, make a new fs, etc.
22:34<Timon>inman: you deal with this crap all day long
22:34<Cloak>fdisk /dev/hdb
22:34<Cloak>i'm sure there is a howto even
22:35<inman>make sure when you newfs the new disk, you use -m 1 (or something) since otherwise, you'll be reserving 800meg of space for superuser.
22:35<Cloak>or tunefs it later
22:35<Cloak>tune2fs rather
22:36<Timon>All this would work fine, however I want to preserve my two ntfs partitions that are on hte 100g drive
22:36<inman>yeah, you will.
22:37<Cloak>dd away
22:37<inman>no, don't usedd
22:37<Cloak>heh
22:37<inman>oh, you mean you want to copy them?
22:37<Timon>Yup
22:37<inman>where are the ntfs partitions?
22:37<Timon>on my 100g
22:37<inman>i really don't think this will work.
22:37<inman>i mean /where/
22:38<inman>er, nevermind, it doesn't matter.
22:38<Timon>Oh, they are the first two partitons on the drive.
22:38* inmanthinks.
22:38<Timon>the same drive that my linux partiton is on.
22:38<Cloak>you could try dd
22:38<inman>do you understand that if you simply dd the whole disk, you'll have a new 160gig drive with only 100gig usable?
22:38<Cloak><Cloak> then you'll lose 60 gb
22:38<Cloak><Cloak> if the partition table was identical
22:38<Cloak><Timon> Cloak: thats fine, I'll resize the partition with partition magic
22:38<Timon>If I could tell ghost to NOT copy my linux partition that would be great, but it won't let me select just two partition's
22:39<inman>you could do that and then resize the partition, i guess.
22:39<Timon>yup
22:39<inman>forget ghost.
22:39<Timon>inman: I know.
22:39<inman>linux can grow partitions, i've just never done it without a raid.
22:39<Timon>Oooo, a tattoo commercial is on TV!!! Me needs another one!
22:39<Cloak>its also ntfs partitions
22:40<inman>forget growing the ntfs side
22:40<inman>heh
22:40<Cloak>dd away
22:40<Timon>still here?
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22:41<Cloak>dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb and pick reasonable blocksizes
22:41<Cloak>if = input file, of = output file
22:41<Timon>what size block should I pick?
22:41<Cloak>1M or so
22:42<Timon>cooo
22:42<Cloak>bs=1M
22:43<Timon>thanks Cloak, saved me the brain cells looking it up :-)
22:43<Timon>Ut, oh
22:44<Timon>Why not BS=256MB? I have plenty of memory to buffer it
22:47<Timon>hello?
22:48<Cloak>you don't gain anything from it
22:48<Cloak>test away
22:49<Timon>gain anything from what?
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23:02<bline>anyone know who Andy Davidoff is?
23:02<Chutt>that's inman
23:02* inmanwinks.
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23:03<bline>you emailed? :)
23:03<inman>oh, well if you want to fix your sound issue...
23:03<inman>can you paste the output of `lsmod`?
23:04<bline>one sec, have to connect to the machine
23:04<bline>paste in here?
23:05<inman>sure
23:05<bline>Module Size Used by Not tainted
23:05<bline>snd-via82xx 12140 0
23:05<bline>snd-ac97-codec 34560 0 [snd-via82xx]
23:05<bline>snd-pcm 61120 0 [snd-via82xx]
23:05<bline>snd-timer 16328 0 [snd-pcm]
23:05<bline>snd-mpu401-uart 3776 0 [snd-via82xx]
23:05<bline>snd-rawmidi 15072 0 [snd-mpu401-uart]
23:05<bline>snd-seq-device 4260 0 [snd-rawmidi]
23:05<bline>snd 30980 0 [snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device]
23:05<bline>snd-page-alloc 5168 0 [snd-via82xx snd-pcm]
23:05<bline>lirc_serial 7360 0 (unused)
23:05<bline>tvaudio 11292 0 (autoclean) (unused)
23:05<bline>bttv 65568 0
23:05<bline>tuner 8832 1 (autoclean)
23:05<bline>soundcore 3940 0 [snd bttv]
23:05<bline>via-rhine 12656 1
23:05<bline>mii 2144 0 [via-rhine]
23:05<bline>serial 43588 0
23:05<bline>this is after I switched to the via82xx
23:05<bline>you are using the bt878?
23:06<inman>i am using a bt878 and a pvr-350
23:06<inman>you need to switch back to the game theatre settings if you want to make it work.
23:07<inman>if you want to debug it here, that is.
23:07<Timon>Chutt: Would you accept a patch for parental controls in myth?
23:07<Chutt>sure, if it's done cleanly enough
23:07<bline>I will, but I have to finish some server upgrades before I go home
23:07<Chutt>how would you do it, pop up a code on playback?
23:07<inman>well, page me if/when you want help. :-)
23:07<Timon>Chutt: Yeah
23:08<Chutt>yeah, that's fine
23:08<bline>so if you are on later
23:08<inman>how about doing it the way the early leisure suit larry games did it.
23:08<bline>i would like to know what I did wrong with bttv
23:08<inman>ask the user a bunch of questions that only an old fogie would know...
23:09<Timon>Chutt: I would have a settings page to set the password (Numeric so it can be set via remote) and a setting for maximum code allowed without auth (Ie can view pg without auth). Then check the playback table for rating (If its stored, if not then modify it so rating is stored)
23:09<inman>bline: well, you're not using btaudio.
23:09<bline>err btaudio
23:09<bline>inman: I was though, and it didn't work for me with my setup
23:09<inman>bline: your email said that it did...?
23:09<Chutt>ok
23:10<bline>yeah, i was on crack, i recanted in a followup email today
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23:10<inman>i saw that.
23:10<inman>you need to insert the module, for starters.
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23:10<Chutt>rkulagow, just did the docs update, sorry to take so long
23:11<bline>hmm, maybe I can do it from here
23:11<rkulagow_>NP; i've got a new version to upload in the morning anyways; details on "info threads" and gdb debugging
23:11<bline>err. no there is no terminal version of mythfrontend yet
23:12<Chutt>cool
23:12<bline>or has someone written an aalib version ;)
23:12<Chutt>heh
23:12<inman>Chutt: did you see my bug report here regarding forward-seeking in a recording?
23:13<Chutt>yeah
23:13<Chutt>if i could reproduce it :/
23:13<inman>yeah. :-)
23:14<bline>my biggest problems right now are bad slowdown's/sometimes lockups on the mythfrontend side while watching tv. Havn't post that to the list yet.
23:14<Chutt>might be able to see what it's doing by looking at the framesPlayed var
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23:14<bline>i was going to strace it tonight and see where it is hanging
23:15<inman>you aren't counting frames anymore, though, right?
23:15<bline>then search for that select or open in the code
23:15<inman>or are you doing both?
23:15<Chutt>not for positioning
23:15<Chutt>but it still needs to keep track of where it is
23:15<inman>okay.
23:16<bline>heh, i just noticed someone removed canada-cable
23:17<vektor>finally, thank goodness
23:17<vektor>;-)
23:17<Chutt>yeah, i got unlazy for the 10 seconds it took
23:18<inman>don't worry, they never felt a thing.
23:19<Chutt>moegreen, when you going to check stuff in? =)
23:19<moegreen>heh, I guess I can do it now then add the rest of the options later
23:19<Chutt>whenever you feel it's ready
23:19<Chutt>don't want to rush you or anything =)
23:22<moegreen>well, everything in the screenshots seems to work fine
23:28<Chutt>cool.
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23:43<inman>heh, thanks for the pip fix Chutt. :-)
23:43<Chutt>i'll have the bookmarks in mpg files fixed in a sec
23:43<Chutt>as well
23:44<inman>going to do some debugging of my seeking issue in a few minutes.
23:44<Chutt>cool.
23:44<Chutt>and thanks for that music patch
23:45<Chutt>i'll get it in after i fix bookmarks
23:51<_shad>Chutt: What do you have your res/bitrate at?
23:51<Chutt>480x480, 4400 scaled
23:51<_shad>how much cpu does it use?
23:51<Chutt>max quality 2, min 9, max diff 3
23:52<Chutt>under 50%
23:52<_shad>nice
23:52<_shad>thanks
23:55<rkulagow_>yeesh. drives are cheap, if you're willing to wait for a rebate. check out techbargains: 200GB drive + 256MB CF + coupon codes and rebates and you get them for $125, shipped free, no tax in most states. add in 10% coupon that dell sends you in a mailer and you're at $100.
23:56<rkulagow_>wonder if i can get a "boot from compact flash" figured out.
23:56<Chutt>i just spent $70 on a 60GB seagate 'cuda V
23:56<Chutt>it's _silent_, though =)
23:56<inman>what speed is it?
23:56<rkulagow_>that's what basements are for. =)
23:56<Chutt>this is for the mini-itx box
23:57<Chutt>inman, 7200
23:57<inman>bleh.
23:58<Chutt>heh
23:58<Chutt>fixing bookmarks was mainly removing code