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00:04<orangey>quick question: where do gist listings come from? are they parsed out of the webpage?
00:04<orangey>or did gist provide a downloadable mass-dealie?
00:04<Chutt>doesn't matter, they're gone now
00:05<Ndiin>They lasted such a long time, too.
00:06<inman>keyPos(74354726) desiredKey (2160) TotalRead/Early (-74338342) TotalRead/Late (74354726) diff (-16384)
00:06<inman>doneseek in avformatdecoder
00:06<inman>avformatdecoder desired(2279) played(2161) number(118)
00:06<inman>keyPos(0) desiredKey (2265) TotalRead/Early (77926438) TotalRead/Late (0) diff (-77926438)
00:07<inman>what is the positionMap?
00:08<Chutt>the map of all positions in the file
00:08<Chutt>keyframe # based
00:08<inman>ah, okay.
00:09<orangey>Chutt: Still wondering..
00:09<Chutt>it was a downloadable file
00:09<inman>orangey: gist provided an xml dump a la xmltv.
00:10<orangey>woah. very nice.
00:12<inman>yep. it was very fast, too.
00:12<Chutt>inman, so, figure it out yet? =)
00:13<inman>wanted to add lastKey debug
00:13<inman>doing tech-support atm so i'm slow.
00:14<inman>i hope it's not your positionMap, but... :-P
00:14<Chutt>shouldn't be
00:14<Chutt>it should be testing to see if it exists in the map before using the value
00:14<inman>my next output will be more useful.
00:15* inmanbuilds.
00:15<orangey>do we know what snapstream uses?
00:17<inman>nope.
00:19<inman>keyPos(72603686) desiredKey (2100) lastKey (2100) seek sanity (-22528) rb pos (72603686) diff (-22528)
00:19<inman>avformatdecoder desired(2219) played(2101) number(118)
00:19<inman>keyPos(0) desiredKey (2205) lastKey (2205) seek sanity (-75782182) rb pos (0) diff (-75782182)
00:19<inman>i must have my elementary artithmetic wrong.
00:19<inman>either that or it's not seeking correctly.
00:20<Chutt>well, what's setting keypos to 0?
00:21<inman>positionMap, of course, but seek sanity should be 0
00:21<inman>i think.
00:21<inman>oh n/m.
00:23<Chutt>which of the varios keyPos = positionMap[] lines is it, though?
00:24<inman>checking now.
00:24<inman>is there a faster way to make install?
00:24<Chutt>not really
00:24* inmansighs.
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00:26<orangey>OK, so snapstream used to use titantv, but titantv has moved away from using XML and now is binary/encrypted.
00:26<inman>argh
00:27<inman>aha
00:27<inman>it's not setting keyPos up top, so it's always -1
00:27<inman>though desiredKey != lastKey
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00:28<Chutt>so, it's going to the loop on the bottom
00:28<inman>yeah
00:29<Chutt>hmm
00:29<inman>my debug output is in the needflush if() and that asserts that keyPos == 0.
00:29<inman>assert is the wrong word. indicates.
00:29<Chutt>see the while (framesRead < desiredKey + 1)
00:29<Chutt>?
00:29<inman>yeap
00:30<Chutt>make that + 5 or 6 or something
00:30<inman>6 it is.
00:30<Chutt>see if that helps
00:30<inman>why would it?
00:31<Chutt>because it doesn't look like it's reading far enough into the file for the desired keyframe to appear
00:31<inman>hmm.
00:32<inman>no luck.
00:32<inman>getFrame may read more than 1 frame?
00:32<Chutt>well, kind of
00:33<Chutt>it'll only ever get one frame for display
00:33<Chutt>but it may read in multiple frames that haven't yet been decoded fully yet
00:34<inman>i don't understand its role here.
00:34<inman>does it help to fill the positionMap?
00:34<Chutt>yes
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00:34<Chutt>since you don't have a positionmap, apparently
00:34<inman>heh
00:34<yebyen>who is this hbarrett
00:34<yebyen>I am a Barrett
00:34<yebyen>heh
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00:35<inman>lemme set this to + 50, shouldn't hurt much.
00:35<inman>maybe my i frames are just very distant from each other, eg. because of a hiccough in the encoding.
00:35<Chutt>naw, should just slow it down a little
00:35<Chutt>you could add a debug line to where it finds a new gop start
00:36<inman>where is that?
00:36<Chutt>in getframe, look for where it modifies positionMap
00:39* inmanidles.
00:40<inman>the + 50 worked. ;-)
00:41<Chutt>ok
00:41<Chutt>replace it with
00:42<inman>something is a little wacky here.
00:42<inman>lastKey is not always increasing, is that normal?
00:42<Chutt>while (framesRead < desiredKey + 1 || !positionMap.contains(desiredKey / keyframedist))
00:42<Chutt>lastKey really isn't used
00:43<Chutt>lemme know if that works as well
00:43<inman>seems like it should.
00:43<Chutt>it should, but..
00:43<inman>we don't really need it there though, do we?
00:44<inman>we only need if if needflush.
00:44<inman>erm, i'm confuserated.
00:44<inman>nevermind.
00:44<Chutt>hmm
00:45<inman>keyframedist is always 15 or something, right?
00:45<Chutt>12 or 15
00:45<inman>so maybe that's the problem?
00:45<Chutt>with the pvr cards
00:45<inman>desiredKey ain't a multiple?
00:46<Chutt>2205 is
00:46<Chutt>and it shouldn't matter
00:46<inman>that patch works.
00:47<Chutt>ok
00:47<Chutt>i'll check it in tomorrow sometime
00:48<Chutt>thanks for looking into that =)
00:48<inman>thanks :-)
00:57<orangey>does myth currently have any facility for multiple genres?
00:57<inman>arbitrary, you mean?
00:57<orangey>downloaded..
00:58<orangey>example: 1 371 133 32 34 40 37 33 105 114 167 375 385
00:58<inman>i don't understand the question. :-/
00:58<orangey>each of those numbers represents a genre for a DTV PPV movie..
00:58<orangey>I know we have "categories"..
00:58<orangey>but I wondered if we had any genre facility.
00:58<inman>uh, if you have the original list that maps those values to strings, we can support them.
00:58<inman>orangey: not really, no.
00:58<inman>i believe the categories are stored as strings.
00:59<orangey>inman: Yeah, I can map them.
00:59<inman>check the program table.
00:59<orangey>inman: I wondered, though, if I should bother..
00:59<orangey>or, for example, if I should just take the 2nd genre (first is "movies")
00:59<inman>orangey: myth will not be able to support more than one (in some cases two) genres.
01:00<inman>orangey: it would be very nice if we had a field for flags, eg isMovie, isRepeat, etc.
01:00<orangey>inman: Any plans, short or long-range?
01:00<inman>i will implement it if you want.
01:00<orangey>I think it will have to be part of a larger genre strategy..
01:01<orangey>for example, this receiver I once had could do searches for movies by genre and things..
01:01<inman>this is unrelated to genres, except that it eliminates Movies as a genre and puts that info to good use.
01:01<inman>orangey: i don't think you're picking up what i'm laying down. :-)
01:01<orangey>inman: I concur. I am confused..
01:01<inman>we can't support multiple genres right now.
01:02<orangey>inman: OK, I dig that.
01:02<inman>that /could/ be added, but is it worth it?
01:02<orangey>inman: That's the question.
01:02<inman>what /is/ useful is a flag that identifies movies.
01:02<inman>your Movie genre could inform that flag.
01:02<orangey>inman: ooh. I gotcha.
01:02<inman>gist had the same data, but they are gone now.
01:02<inman>tv_grab_na does not have a Movie genre.
01:03<orangey>inman: Well, your "does ti smell like a movie" dealie would pick up these things things as movies after I dealing with these genres.
01:03<orangey>So, I'll disregard the movie genre (because it will smell like a movie) until said flag gets added..
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01:03<inman>smellsLikeMovie() is a bad hack and I'd like to stop estimating movies based on length and genre.
01:03<inman>orangey: that's fine, for now.
01:04<orangey>didn't you also use the MPAA ratings and such?
01:04<orangey>is there anything in myth that deals with stars, too? or does it just get stored in the database and nothing else?
01:04<inman>yeah, but those don't exist outside of tv_grab_na-land.
01:04<inman>it's only used by mythweb.
01:04<inman>and maybe a movies-only programfinder or something... i dunno.
01:05<orangey>why not put a little tag beside movies that has the stars?
01:05<inman>i added the ratings and stars and airdates 'cause i'm a big movie guy and don't watch tv per se.
01:05<inman>but, there's no support in mythfrontend because the frontend doesn't have a movie browser.
01:05<inman>orangey: you could add the tag easily (i encourage you to do so)
01:06<orangey>inman: in a patch, you mean?
01:06<inman>i figured once the data was there, someone would do thework. :-)
01:06<inman>orangey: yep.
01:06<orangey>inman: The problem is that my code would be unclean.. but I'll try it so that somebody says "eww! gimme that!" and redoes it.
01:06<inman>the irony is that right now my mythweb movies page doesn't even work, heh.
01:06<orangey>I am just like you in terms of movies/tv
01:06<orangey>sure it does!
01:06<inman>you can send me your patch first if you want and i'll clean it up and send it back.
01:07<inman>mythweb movies doesn't work on my box.
01:07<inman>haven't had time to fix it.
01:07<orangey>inman: Sounds great.
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02:43<bline>good day
02:48<orangey>hey bline
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04:16<orangey>who's awake?
04:16<orangey>; )
04:17<bline>mornin
04:31<orangey>bline: where do you live?
04:44<bline>burnaby
04:44<bline>BC, Canada
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05:33<bline>grr still seeing "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" from current cvs
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08:54<rkulagow>note helpful comment: Also, since I am fairly new to Linux, can you please make the documentation more intuative and easy to understand. Going through it the first time, I found quite of few things misplaced and few steps skipped, many assuming that you are very comfortable with Linux. I do agree that you have to have a base knowlegde, but also think that it owuld be great to make to just a little easier.
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09:17<rkulagow>chutt: please sync website to CVS docs.
09:17<rkulagow>chutt: is this the definitive error message that the user hasn't set the card type as hardware MPEG? : "Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back"
09:21<rkulagow>grr: "Having said that, MythTV is great, it's a shame there's nothing like it for Windows so it doesn't take weeks to set up...". no patch for docs, no specifics, etc. [yes, i'm in a mood today.]
09:23<paperclip>heh
09:39<Chutt>rkulagow, done, thanks
09:39<rkulagow>NP. better gdb instructions is the big thing
09:39<Chutt>excellent
10:22<Chutt>rkulagow, there's actually a way to get a bt of all threads at once
10:22<Chutt>using apply or whatnot
10:32<rkulagow>chutt: is apply a GDB command? not showing up here, or i'm not following you.
10:32<Chutt>'sec
10:33<Chutt>'thread apply all bt full'
10:37<rkulagow>got it.
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10:51<Chutt>rkulagow, any reason why you made the VERBOSE() macro take an arg?
10:52<Chutt>could just embed 'print_verbose_messages' in it, instead of passing it in
10:52<rkulagow>yeah, that's true.
10:53<Chutt>mind if i make that change?
10:53<rkulagow>no, go ahead. i was already looking through the code, but i'm on a con call so i don't have the cycles right now...
10:54<rkulagow>vonage doesn't suck as much as i thought it would.
10:54<Chutt>thanks
10:54<Chutt>heh
10:54<rkulagow>(lowered expectations due to years and years of shitty cell phones, i'm sure)
10:54<Chutt>heh
10:55<rkulagow>(but it actually sounds pretty good, and it means i can stop paying ameritech)
10:56<rkulagow>huh. just realized that one of the users on the ML was right; for some reason the ivtv driver isn't installing at boot time, but does from the CLI.
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11:18<Chutt>just call me mr. bugfix
11:22<Chutt>moegreen, it was missing a update(infoRect()) in cursorRight
11:23<moegreen>ah
11:23* Chuttdoes a little preemptive doc updating
11:26<rkulagow>ivtv minors?
11:26<Chutt>silly guy wants to have to make people create a /dev/mpeg file
11:28<rkulagow>great. like that's not going to cause problems.
11:30<moegreen>hmmm...Permission denied you cannot edit this PVR Entry...that's no good
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13:05<rkulagow>moegreen: are you here?
13:08<moegreen>yeah
13:09<rkulagow>i'm looking at the new EPG: is the recording status printed at the top of the screen supposed to update if i'm in a cell and hit "R"? the cell immediately gets a "R", but the status at the top doesn't change until after the selector moves off the cell.
13:11<moegreen>i probably don't have an update(infoRect()) after the R command
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13:26<Chutt>moegreen, want me to fix that?
13:26<Chutt>or have you already
13:27<moegreen>you can - i'm in the middle of something else right now :)
13:27<Chutt>sure thing
13:27<Chutt>i changed the default to 5 channels, 4 timeslots
13:28<Chutt>seems to look fairly decent in both modes
13:28<moegreen>yeah
13:28<Chutt>did you fix the icon stuff, or am i not seeing it anymore?
13:29<moegreen>the guy that emailed the list might have only been changing the one mode (non-video mode), which is why he didn't notice the changes probably
13:29<moegreen>Chutt: i didn't do anything with the icons recently...that issues really comes and goes
13:29<Chutt>i think he was changing the font sizes in the ui
13:29<Chutt>not in the theme
13:29<Chutt>ah hah
13:30<moegreen>Chutt: I took out the font sizes in the setup screens (at least in the program guide)
13:30<Chutt>easily reproduced by toggling a favorit
13:30<Chutt>favorite
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13:42<rkulagow>guys, something else that i wasn't expecting. i've got "start guide at channel 2" set, yet when i go into the EPG, the selector is on channel 4. when i start guide at channel 42, selector starts on 44. is this a side-effect of trying to center the selector when the EPG is first called up, or something else?
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13:43<Chutt>yup
13:44<moegreen>rkulagow: it is, I couldn't get it to start on the right channel - but it should be possible
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14:05<orangey>moegreen: are there going to be any cosmetic changes to the guide? or shoudl I go ahead with the theming?
14:09<orangey>moegreen: Another question. Could you quickly explain to me how the thing uses gg-chans and times in relation to the #s?
14:10<moegreen>orangey: everything should be good to start theming, most everything else will be minor bug fixes/changes.
14:11<moegreen>orangey: the widget that draws the channel and time bar will automatically resize and replicate the image depending on the user's settings. You set the area you want to give it, then it will do the rest.
14:11<rkulagow>guys, under what conditions will text be truncated with an ellipsis? in mythweather, running on a box that has X set to 640x480, the "today's forecast" page gets cut off right after "currently"
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14:14<rkulagow>ok, reproduced it on another box. 640x480 X, qt fonts set for 16 / 18 / 25 rather than the defaults. text gets cut off at "Curren..."
14:14<moegreen>rkulagow: the code to cut off stuff isn't perfect right now (because of multiline changes). It should cut it off if there isn't enough room vertically
14:14<moegreen>rkulagow: the fonts in mythweather don't use the qt font sizes, it uses the sizes in the weather-ui.xml file
14:17<rkulagow>ok; i just changed the fonts back to 12 / 16/ 25 and it's still getting cut off. i wasn't aware that the font stuff had moved to the ui.xml file; i was messing around with font sizes on the TV and thought that that was what caused it.
14:18<moegreen>rkulagow: yeah, you can try changing the fonts in the ui file or increasing the area given to it, though that screen should have plenty of room for that text block
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14:27<moegreen>rkulagow: your other option is to add <cutdown>no</cutdown> to that field, that will stop it from calling that code
14:28<rkulagow>hrmm. i just changed "todayfont" to 12, and the text is still getting cut off. is there something magic about the fact that i'm using 640x480 instead of higher X res?
14:29<moegreen>rkulagow: shouldn't - in fact I'm seeing that at 800x600. I need to rewrite the cutdown function after fully think through exactly how to do it, since I can't get each line back from the QString object, the code will have to parse through and do that itself
14:29<moegreen>try the cutdown option, that should work
14:29<moegreen>that field should have that anyway because it should never be that long anyways
14:30<Chutt>moegreen, is that the same reason like stuff in the conflicts screen gets cut off early?
14:31<moegreen>Chutt: yeah, I think so ... I messed with it for a long time, but decided I needed to take a step back and rethink exactly how to do it
14:33<rkulagow>yep, adding cutdown makes it work fine now.
14:33<moegreen>alright, I just added that to cvs
14:37<rkulagow>ok, that's it, i'm going to incorporate, get setup as a wholesale distributor and start selling myth boxes with phone support. that way i don't have to keep answering emails about "why don't you sell these boxes". as an added bonus, the HOWTO will become much much shorter since it will have standardized hardware.
14:37<Chutt>heh
14:37<rkulagow>(got _3_ in the mail in the last 24 hours)
14:37<Chutt>really?
14:37<Chutt>wow
14:37<rkulagow>"> I was also wondering, have you even considered building a bunch of these
14:37<rkulagow>> and selling them? I mean, this machine has it all!"
14:38<Chutt>i've only gotten one mythtv email offlist today, and it was some guy asking if i had any suggestions on porting to windows
14:38<moegreen>rkulagow: or you could purposely put wrong info in the howto to increase your call volume :)
14:38<rkulagow>hey, there's plenty enough wrong info in there already! =)
14:39<rkulagow>(or at least according to people that bitch about the docs, but don't offer suggestions, patches or even "this is wrong" type information)
14:42<Chutt>the docs are great
14:43<Chutt>if people bothered to read them =)
14:44<moegreen>heh, Will the PVR-350, installing the driver, remote control features of it, itegrated into the next, 0.9, release of the MythTV?
14:45<rkulagow>sure, and chutt will come over to your house and work the remote control for you.
14:45<moegreen>Chutt: http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/conflictresolution.png <-- was that the early cutoff you meant?
14:45<moegreen>If so, that's from the ui.xml - the column isn't getting enough space probably
14:45<Chutt>that's exactly what i meant, yeah
14:45<moegreen>if you mean the list
14:46<moegreen>the description might not have the multiline set
14:46<Chutt>i meant the list, but the description also now that i see that =)
14:51<moegreen>ok, the colum width change is in cvs
14:51<Chutt>cool
14:53* bigguyis [away -={ EMT Practicals tonight till about 10PM CST }=- }
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14:59<roga>has anyone here tried to compile CVS MythTV on xbox linux (Ed's 0.31 Debian distro)?
15:00<roga>or...do you need libqt3-dev to make it?
15:00<moegreen>roga: I think someone on the list is using it - it'd be in the archives
15:05<roga>gawd im such a n00b - what do u mean by archives?
15:06<Tuscany0_>i think he means the mailing list archives
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15:25<Chutt>nice
15:25<Chutt>new dvd fits with an 1/8 inch to spare
15:26<poptix>heh
15:27<poptix>Chutt's never ending qwest for a smaller CD-ROM drive
15:27<Chutt>nope, it's ended =)
15:27<Chutt>now all i need is a quieter fan
15:28<poptix>Chutt: is the availability of both yuv and mpeg2 data going to be of any use to mythtv?
15:28<Chutt>absolutely none
15:28<poptix>=)
15:28<Chutt>i don't even see why they're wasting time on it
15:28<poptix>well
15:28<Chutt>why spend twice the price of a normal card if all you're going to do is use it like a normal card?
15:29<poptix>then purists like yourself can get the pure high quality YUV data =)
15:32<Chutt>i'm trying to decide if i want to make the mini-itx a totally stand along system
15:32<Chutt>or if i want to run it as a frontend
15:32<Chutt>since that was i can have something that doesn't break out in the living room if i take down the backend in my office
15:35<mdz_>Chutt: what are you going to use for a display?
15:35<Chutt>tv
15:35<mdz_>I thought the TV out on those things wasn't supported
15:35<Chutt>hopefully the tv out on this board doesn't suck
15:35<mdz_>going to use a PCI card?
15:36<Chutt>there's options for it in the driver readme
15:36<mdz_>hmmm
15:36<poptix>it's nice to see VIA doing open source type stuff
15:36<Chutt>a bunch of em, too
15:36<Chutt>mdz, apparently alan cox is using a epia-m as one of his main systems these days
15:37<Chutt>so he's been working on drivers and facilitating things with via and stuff
15:37<mdz_>it's tempting, they're pretty cheap, no?
15:37<Chutt>i think this board goes for $190 or so?
15:37<Chutt>not really cheap
15:37<Chutt>board + cpu, that is
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15:37<Gulliver>hi all
15:37<Gulliver>I have a problem with mythtv 0.8
15:38<Chutt>but all you need is a case and a harddrive to make it a complete machine
15:38<Gulliver>I'm trying to do the first-time configuration and added a Video source "Television" which should get it's program-info from XMLTV de
15:38<Chutt>tv_grab_de doesn't work.
15:38<Gulliver>I am adviced to do "mythfilldatabase --manual"
15:38<poptix>i can pick up an Athlon XP 2000 + mobo for around $100
15:38<mdz_>someone sells a mini-itx with a case and quiet fans
15:38<mdz_>and I don't want a hard drive
15:38<Chutt>mdz, this should be quiet =)
15:38<Chutt>but it's not
15:39<Gulliver>I did that, but it don't ask me for any channel info, but says "Unknown channel ... Skipping"
15:39<roga>quiet PC on Slashdot yesterday - Hush or something like that - no fans
15:39<Chutt>gulliver, i just said 'tv_grab_de doesn't work.'
15:39<Gulliver>Chutt: Does it generally not work, or just for the moment?
15:39<Chutt>generally
15:39<mdz_>$645 with CD an HDD
15:39<Chutt>the grabber's broken.
15:39<Chutt>roga, it's a slower cpu, too, i doubt it'd work as well
15:40<Gulliver>Chutt: but the mythfilldatabase shows all TV-Channels, I have - it just don't asks for the channel info?!
15:40<mdz_>I have to keep blowing the dust out of my CPU fan to keep my myth box cool
15:40<Chutt>gulliver, it doesn't work
15:40<Chutt>period
15:41<Chutt>mdz, coffee filters on the fan intakes
15:41<roga>well just for a front end PC
15:42<roga>im using an Xbox (well tryin too at least), but it's kinda loud
15:42<Chutt>roga, the nehemiah 1ghz machine, which is > 2x as fast as the ones the hush pc uses
15:42<Chutt>uses > 50% cpu to playback full-size video
15:42<mdz_>Chutt: that sounds like it would reduce airflow significantly :-)
15:42<roga>eewww
15:42<rkulagow>mdz: panty hose on fan intakes
15:42<poptix>i use plastic screen over my fans
15:42<poptix>like for the screens in a window
15:42<poptix>catches ~80% of the dust and crap
15:43<poptix>run it under some water every couple months
15:43<Chutt>let's see, how to word this request to the hauppauge guy for another card
15:43<mdz_>"gimme"
15:43<poptix>mdz_: hah
15:44<Chutt>hehe
15:44<rkulagow>"dear hauppauge guy. please give rkulagow and mdz 2 each PVR-250 cards. love, chutt." - how's that?
15:44<mdz_>heh
15:44<Chutt>rkulagow, bah, you've got one already
15:44<Chutt>working ok, btw?
15:44<Gulliver>next problem: if I start mythfrotnend it just says: "connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543" but nothing happens. Any ideas?
15:44<roga>ok now use babelfish on that to translate to german
15:45<rkulagow>yeah, i know. yes, the pvr-250 has been working fine. don't have the cycles right now to investigate the depmod / modprobe at boot issue right now. other than that, sweet.
15:45<mdz_>I wonder if those fins on the hush technologies mini-itx case are for cooling, or just for looks
15:45<Chutt>cooling
15:45<Chutt>these chips really don't seem to run all that cool
15:46<Chutt>this one's in the 40s at idle, for instance
15:46<mdz_>they don't have a delete for the hard disk
15:46<mdz_>my current myth box runs at 60 at idle
15:46<mdz_>or just below
15:46<mdz_>hell, my desktop runs at 50
15:46<Gulliver>has nobody an idea?
15:47<mdz_>40 is damn low
15:47<mdz_>only 1ghz though I guess
15:47<Chutt>yup
15:48<poptix>my home system runs around 65C idle
15:48<Chutt>really?
15:48<Chutt>heh
15:48<poptix>yeah
15:48<mdz_>that's hot
15:48<poptix>i've got 6 hard drives in the system
15:48<mdz_>my myth box gets unstable around 70
15:48<Chutt>we've got a box at work that runs at 75c idle and under full load
15:48<poptix>and a few other systems in the same room
15:48<poptix>mdz_: mine does around 80C
15:48<Chutt>one of the dual athlon 1us that penguin computing sells
15:48<poptix>AMD says >= 80C == dead
15:49<mdz_>depends on the chip
15:49<Chutt>no fans on the chips
15:49<mdz_>the athlon in my myth box says 90C
15:49<Chutt>just a shitload of airflow over them
15:49<mdz_>but it gets ugly way before that
15:49<poptix>Chutt: heh
15:49<mdz_>Chutt: just a heatsink with fans blowing perpendicular then?
15:50<Chutt>yeah
15:50<Chutt>it's a loud machine
15:50<Chutt>i want to buy one of their dual opteron boxes
15:50<Chutt>that'd kick ass at our stuff
15:50<poptix>Board: +52C
15:50<poptix>CPU: +65C
15:51<poptix>the fan is always within 5 rpm of 5400rpm
15:51<poptix>a lack of dust bunnies helps
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16:06<Gulliver>Chutt: I played a bit with tv_grab_de and it works. I get a nice xml-file with the tv-program of today! - so the problem seems not to be at tv_grab_de but at mythfilldatabase!?
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16:06<Chutt>no
16:06<Chutt>the problem is tv_grab_de
16:06<Chutt>as i've said, what, 4 times now?
16:07<Gulliver>Chutt: You said: "it don't work" - But I'm interested in _why_ it don't works, because I'm interested in getting it to work.
16:07<Chutt>i'm not going to waste time explaining how it's broken
16:07<Chutt>check the mailing list archives
16:08<Chutt>you can even find an alternate grabber for germany if you look hard enough
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16:14* _inman_sighs.
16:14<_inman_>poptix: your archive is "the bomb".
16:14<_inman_>the bomb?
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16:18<poptix>heh
16:18<poptix>da bomb!
16:18<poptix>i added the search stuff to the bottom
16:18<poptix>instead of just a link to a search page
16:20<_inman_>that's quite a screenshot on the ivtv list.
16:20<Chutt>i'm getting occasional similar things
16:20<Chutt>thought it was an artifact of the decoder
16:20<Chutt>but, i'm not sure now =)
16:20<poptix>i haven't seen anything like that
16:21<Chutt>since if he was using mplayer or whatnot to take the screenshot, that's a totally different decoder
16:21<_inman_>right.
16:21<poptix>i wonder what resolution that was at
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16:21<_inman_>544x480
16:21<poptix>well, that's the image size
16:21<_inman_>sure.
16:21<poptix>that's an odd resolution to be watching video at
16:22<Chutt>not really
16:22<Chutt>that's the default 'high quality' tivo res, iirc
16:22<poptix>i've got a feeling that unusual resolutions cause that sort of thing
16:22<poptix>i don't run at anything but 720x480
16:22<Chutt>i've seen it at 720x480, 640x480, 480x480
16:22<poptix>really.
16:22<Chutt>yup
16:23<PeteCool>Chutt: did you ever hear of mythfrontend crashing when recordings start?
16:23<Chutt>very, very occasionally
16:23<Chutt>petecool, nope
16:23<Chutt>well, there was a bug with bookmarks in mpg files that'd do that
16:23<Chutt>but i fixed that a few days ago
16:23<PeteCool>Chutt: It's very repeatable here, I'll try to bt that tonigh
16:23<Chutt>thanks
16:23<Chutt>i'd appreciate that
16:27<Chutt>hehe
16:27<Chutt>i responded to the mythtv vs freevo post
16:27<poptix>which list
16:27<poptix>oh, there it is
16:27<Chutt>-users
16:28<_inman_>i need a hack to turn email with Content-type: text/html into normal mime'd messages with an extra plain-text encoding appended.
16:28<hfb>Chutt: Thanks for the info about RadioShack and the IR Detector Module. I just picked up two. :)
16:28<_inman_>anyone got such an animal?
16:28<Chutt>i think i was very objective
16:29<Chutt>hfb, someone posted that to the mythtv list months ago, i bookmarked it for when i get around to building my own
16:29<Chutt>guy from hauppauge: 'I just need a shipping address'
16:29<Chutt>yay =)
16:30<_inman_>for what?
16:30<Chutt>pvr card
16:30<_inman_>350?
16:30<Chutt>i dunno
16:30* _inman_crosses his fingers.
16:30<Chutt>i just said if they could spare a 250 or a 350, i'd probably find a use for one
16:31* _inman_dinfs ti darh ot eypt.
16:31* _inman_nods.
16:31<PeteCool>eh, I could use a few too ;)
16:31<Chutt>yeah, but see, i'm generating revenue for them
16:31<poptix>Chutt: they're willing to ship you hardware, but not hand out technical specs?
16:31<Chutt>:p
16:31<_inman_>goddinn si rasiee
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16:31<poptix>bastards =P
16:31<Chang>Chutt : You sure are
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16:32<Chutt>poptix, i imagine they're helping with things
16:32<Chutt>looking the other way for the driver leak, etc =)
16:32<bigguy>damn you people with jobs getting the free chit
16:32* poptixforges email from Chutt to divert package to his home address
16:32<Chutt>and didn't kevin get a 350 recently?
16:32<Chutt>i imagine he didn't pay for that =)
16:32<Chutt>just a guess on that, though
16:33<Cloak>freevothytv
16:33<nnmai>he is getting one, but i think it was donated.
16:33<poptix>i think freevo is eventually going to have a mythtv plugin
16:33<Chutt>wasn't my comparison objective?
16:33<poptix>shell out all the PVR stuff to myth =p
16:34<Cloak>yup chutt
16:34<poptix>and remain the pretty menuing system that it is
16:34<bigguy>wtf do people always say it's easier to develop cause it's written in python? WTF does the language have to do with anything if the programmer isn't an ignorant choad
16:34<Chutt>i dunno
16:34<Cloak>heh, you're not worth responding to bigguy
16:34<Chutt>people think python's fast
16:34<Chutt>i've never used it
16:34<poptix>bigguy: the whole freevo project was started to 'prove' that python can do something halfway useful.
16:34<bigguy>Cloak: I am so
16:34<poptix>Chutt: it's not.
16:34<Cloak>ignore works wonders
16:34<Chutt>fast to develop in
16:34<poptix>Chutt: it's not =)
16:35<Cloak>its easier to develop in, regardless of speed
16:35<bigguy>who is this Cloak guy?
16:35<poptix>Cloak: it's easy to develop things in java too
16:35<poptix>would you use it for a PVR?
16:36<Cloak>at least from what i've seen the freevo guys offload all the heavy lifting to other apps
16:36<poptix>exactly
16:36<Cloak>that tend to be written in c and using python as glue
16:36<poptix>it's a menuing program
16:36<nnmai>Chutt: but, one doesn't need an X server running to run the backend.
16:36<bigguy>it's easy to develop things in any language if you don't just try to hack everything together and expect it to work :)
16:36<Chutt><shrug>
16:37<nnmai>Chutt: i'm talking about myth, here.
16:37<Chutt>right
16:37<Cloak>is directfb worth looking at?
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16:37<nnmai>Cloak: qt/e is worth looking at, imo.
16:37* nnmaibuilt it but hasn't had time to try to build myth against it.
16:37<poptix>i was looking at qt/e
16:38<Cloak>i still can't get to directfb's site
16:38<poptix>it looks fairly easy to run regular qt applications under it
16:38<poptix>Cloak: it's been /.'d
16:38<Cloak>ya
16:38<Cloak>someone msged me to look at it
16:38<Cloak>and afterwards warned me it was /.ed
16:39<nnmai>python is my language of choice, but if i were hacking freevo, i think i'd have to go to C in places just to get the speed up.
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16:39<Cloak>i'd probably try stackless and psyco first
16:39<Chutt>i never got directfb working on my g200
16:39<Chutt>tried for a couple hours back in january
16:40<nnmai>stackless is the language behind EVE (MMORPG)
16:40<nnmai>i'm impressed with that.
16:40<bigguy>oh well. I've got my Practical Examinations tonight. I'm off. Be back around 11CST
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16:40<Cloak>eve is one of the main reasons for stackless
16:40<Cloak>does a few million frame switches/s
16:40<poptix>Chutt: the frontend gets everything from the backend, correct?
16:41<Chutt>mostly
16:41<Chutt>but, yeah
16:41<poptix>what else does a frontend need to know, besides the IP of the backend?
16:41<Chutt>it doesn't need to know that
16:41<Chutt>it just needs the mysql db info
16:41<Chutt>master backend ip's in the db
16:41<poptix>i'm going to build a little mythtv-on-a-CD bootable thing
16:41<Chutt>i just setup a remote frontend
16:41<Chutt>grab cvs, compile
16:42<Chutt>edit mysql.txt
16:42<Chutt>run
16:42<poptix>alright
16:42<Chutt>took no time at all =)
16:42<Cloak>i finally got it working heh
16:42<Cloak>i couldn't get the v4l2 patch to work on the debian kernel-source-2.4.20
16:43* poptixtries to think of a good way to get the mysql info onto a CD
16:43<poptix>i could cram it into the CD label
16:43<poptix>and read that on boot
16:43<Chutt>could make a popup in mythtv
16:43<Chutt>that asks for it
16:43<Chutt>on startup
16:43<Chutt>if it doesn't have it already
16:43<Chutt>or can't connect or whatnot
16:44<poptix>hmm
16:44<nnmai>poptix: i would think you'd want it dynamically.
16:44<poptix>why?
16:44<poptix>you can change the CD label when you burn the CD
16:44<nnmai>poptix: so your image would work on anyone's network.
16:44<poptix>if that's not reachable, prompt for it
16:45<nnmai>that's not going to be enough space, i don't think.
16:47<nnmai>why the fsck can't mozilla use a profile already in use.
16:48<nnmai>that "feature" is suck a pita.
16:48<nnmai>such, too.
16:48<poptix>nnmai: you probably have a stale lock
16:48<nnmai>no, i just have another mozilla open.
16:48<nnmai>so why? so launch another copy of the damn software.
16:48<nnmai>wtf is this, 1981?
16:48<poptix>i have no problem spawning multiple copies of mozilla under the same profile
16:49<nnmai>"Mozilla cannot use the profile "default" because it is in use."
16:49<nnmai>"Please choose another profile or create a new one."
16:49<poptix>under the current copy of mozilla, go to file->new window
16:49<nnmai>poptix: i'm not a moron. i've been living with this bug for months.
16:49<nnmai>poptix: what's strange is that if i make a new window and then try to launch mozilla again, it works.
16:50<nnmai>poptix: it's a BUG.
16:50<poptix>windows or linux?
16:50<nnmai>linux, gentoo, mozilla 1.3
16:50<poptix>i still think you might have a stale lock somewhere =)
16:51<nnmai>and making a new window fixes it. fine. it's /still/ a bug. :-)
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17:13<inman>all my programs in the new epg are listed as '...'; surely my font isn't /that/ large.
17:13<Chutt>how many channels?
17:14<Chutt>(displayed, of course)
17:14<Chutt>and how many timeslots?
17:15<inman>reducing these lets me see stuff, but everything was fine before i upgraded the epg.
17:15<Chutt>the new one has slightly less space for display, i think
17:16<inman>yep.
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17:29<Chutt>geez
17:30<Chutt>last month had 364 more email messages than march
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17:30<Chutt>91 a day
17:31<_inman_>from slashdot, or pvr?
17:32<Chutt>didn't really see a big slashdot influx
17:39<poptix>gah
17:40<poptix>my mail mrtg graphs stopped working at exactly midnight
17:40* poptixscratches his head
17:41<poptix>oh shit
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17:58<poptix>http://www.poptix.net/mrtg/mail
18:01<Universe>hmm... can't seem to find the link to the searchable ML
18:03<poptix>Universe: for myth?
18:04<Universe>yes
18:04<Universe>there use to be one on the old webste
18:04<poptix>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Dev_F10/
18:04<_inman_>it was removed because noone was reading the archives.
18:04<poptix>that's mythtv-dev
18:04<Universe>that will work
18:04<poptix>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/
18:04<poptix>that's -users
18:04<Universe>thanks
18:05<poptix>next time use google
18:05<poptix>it's the second link for 'mythtv archives' on google
18:05<Universe>ahh...
18:06<Universe>well... I figured it should have been a link under Gerernal Info / Lists.. but I guess thats just me
18:06<poptix>when all else fails, google
18:06<poptix>all else does not include asking someone else
18:07<Universe>but asking got me the answer..
18:08<moegreen>Universe: it's in the General Info / Lists, the problem is the link color is maybe one or two shades off of the text color
18:08<Universe>ahh...
18:09<Universe>I see it now
18:10<rkulagow>i got "hit" by the same thing when a user said, "i bought such and such card from bestbuy off the link on the mythtv website" and i'm like, WTF? Turns out that there _is_ a hyperlink, but the link color is so close to the background that I had no idea it was even there.
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18:26<poptix>which page?
18:26<poptix>"So, in late April 2002, I started tinkering with stuff. I bought a cheap TV tuner card from BestBuy, and threw it into my .."
18:26<poptix>where 'cheap tv tuner card' is a hyperlink to http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=488&cat=521&scat=522&e=11008484
18:27<poptix>looks fine to me, but then, it's a matter of how your web browser is setup
18:28<Chutt>"I'll put you in for one to be shipped next week."
18:28<Chutt>=)
18:28<Chutt>350, apparently
18:33<poptix>heh
18:33<poptix>bastard
18:34<Universe>You can send me your old 250
18:40<poptix>hahaha
18:40<poptix>check this out
18:40<poptix>http://www.digital-sanyo.com/BURN-Proof/HD-BURN/
18:40<poptix>1.4GB of data on a standard CD-R
18:40<poptix>the little comic strip on the right side is great
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20:20<yebyen>Chutt: do you use Qtopia Desktop at all?
20:54<_shad> if (QTime::currentTime() > curtime)
20:54<_shad> {
20:54<_shad> cerr << "Backend stuffed up in RequestBlock\n";
20:55<_shad>I'm getting that a lot, basically what does it mean?
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22:39<Morph>hmm. latest cvs wont built..
22:39<Morph>er build.
22:43<moegreen>is that so - where is it failing?
22:43<Morph>mythepg :)
22:44<Morph>../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.9.so: undefined reference to `std::basic_ios<char, std::char_traits<char> >::init(std::basic_streambuf<char, std::char_traits<char> >*)'
22:44<moegreen>did you do the make distclean and what not?
22:45<Morph>Yup.
22:45* Morphdoes so again
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23:13<Morph>Nope. failed again. same spot.
23:16<moegreen>Morph: when was your last cvs update?
23:16<Morph>an hour or so ago.
23:16<moegreen>yeah, but before that?
23:16<Morph>awhile ago. a week or less.
23:17<Morph>hmm think I should trash it and recheckout?
23:20<moegreen>no harm in trying
23:22<Morph>yeah..
23:24<Chutt>heh
23:24<Chutt>there's a pretty bad storm here
23:24<Chutt>so my analog cable has all these mpeg artifacts
23:25<Chutt>dropped frames and stuff
23:25<Chutt>crazy =)
23:26<justin_>here too, though the tv is fine:)
23:26<Chutt>morph, might be a good idea to remove your installed libmyth as well, though i doubt that'll help
23:26<Chutt>morph, also, seeing as you're familiar with mini-itx stuff -- know of a decent quiet 40mm fan?
23:26<justin_>ours is satellite, might have something to do with it:)
23:27<Morph>Chutt: a fan? No. you looking for a quiet powersupply?
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23:27<Chutt>i've got a powersupply that has a semi-bad fan
23:28<Chutt>has a high pitched whine to it, lookin to void my warranty and replace it =)
23:28<Morph>heh you cant avoid those whines.
23:28<Chutt>naw, this single fan is louder than the 6 total in my 1800+
23:28<Chutt>6 db =)
23:28<wigginjs>Chutt: checkout www.plycon.com they sell 40mm
23:29<wigginjs>two different models i believe
23:29<Morph>nono. I mean you personally cant avoid the whines. the ivtv driver, the powersupplies :)
23:29<Chutt>aah
23:29<Chutt>yeah
23:29<Chutt>heh
23:29<Chutt>bought a g-alantic 610i
23:29<Chutt>i rather like it, aside from the fan
23:30<Morph>but anyways, I dont know where the one im using in one of these mini-itx boxes came from but I'll find out.
23:30<Chutt>cool, thanks
23:30<Morph>sure.
23:31<Chutt>wigginjs, their website menu doesn't quite work in konq
23:33<Chutt>heh
23:34<Chutt>27 dB
23:34<Chutt>not exactly quiet
23:34<Chutt>i think directron sells those, and a papst model that i'll probably end up going with
23:34<Chutt>the papst is rated at 19dB, but it's pricey
23:36<poptix>we all need freon piping through our hopes, with lacks on the wall for computers to plug into
23:36<Chutt>but 19dB, even boosted up high by being enclosed so much in the power supply, should be quiet enough
23:37<poptix>hopes/homes
23:37<poptix>er
23:37<poptix>jacks
23:37* poptixis tired
23:38<Chutt>no excuse
23:39<poptix>my brain turned into slush and dripped out my ear while I slept
23:41<Morph>You need the freon ear hose to keep your brain from melting.
23:42<poptix>yes.
23:42<mdz_>I have the pabst and it's not that quiet
23:42<mdz_>the small one
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23:43<Chutt>the 40mm fan?
23:43<Chutt>i've got an 80mm papst that's dead silent
23:43<Chutt>it's the cpu fan on my 1800+
23:45<Chutt>someone needs to go through that dvb stuff for me
23:46<Chutt>i don't want to =)
23:46<Chutt>and
23:46<poptix>chutt
23:46<Chutt>incompetent people that run their own mail servers should be shot
23:46<poptix>get someone to send you a DVB card w/ free satellite service
23:46<Chutt>and convince my wife to put a dish up?
23:46<poptix>=)
23:46<Chutt>not going to happen =)
23:47<Chutt>besides, my reception should be terrible here
23:47<Chutt>there's too many trees
23:47<Chutt>unless i put up a huge pole or something
23:48<poptix>do they make similar cards for digital cable?
23:48<Chutt>over there they do
23:48<Chutt>i don't believe they work here
23:48<poptix>suck.
23:49<poptix>i hate cable companies
23:49<Chutt>heh
23:49<poptix>i've convinced my landlord to let me provide internet and cable TV to our tenants
23:49<Chutt>quiet mailing list
23:49<Chutt>tonight
23:49<poptix>i just have to find an economical solution
23:50<poptix>Chutt: X2 is in theatres tonight
23:50<Chutt>no one responded to my mythtv vs freevo response
23:50<Chutt>ah yes
23:50<Chutt>perhaps i'll go see that in a bit
23:50<Chutt>theaters suck
23:50<poptix>in fact, i need to go buy tickets
23:50<poptix>i have an excellent theatre 2 blocks down the road
23:50<poptix>brand new
23:50<Chutt>the one near here is fairly new
23:50<poptix>low traffic
23:50<Chutt>but they still suck
23:51<Chutt>there's _people_ there
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23:51<poptix>we have reclining seats
23:51<Chutt>people that _talk_
23:51<poptix>oh
23:51<poptix>we kill the people who talk
23:51<Chutt>does it have armrests that lift up between seats? =)
23:51<poptix>yes
23:51<poptix>and you know those people who think it's a good idea to bring their babies into movies?
23:52<Chutt>someone that had to use the removable armrests sat in front of me once
23:52<poptix>they're instantly vaporized when they drive into the parking lot.
23:52<Chutt>needless to say, we moved shortly after
23:52<poptix>why for?
23:52<poptix>oh, like, wide load?
23:52<Chutt>he was rather rancid
23:52<Chutt>yeah
23:52<poptix>ah.
23:52<Chutt>heh
23:53<Chutt>i just want to finish my basement and buy a projector
23:53<poptix>they're not afraid to tell people they smell like shit here
23:53<poptix>and refuse them service
23:53<poptix>they don't want someones sweaty rancid ass in their theatre seats anyway
23:53<poptix>it's not worth $7.50 for a lifetime of smelly seat
23:54<poptix>bbiab
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