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00:00<Chutt>whenever snowman gets back home and has a chance to fix things
00:00<Chutt>assuming it's something under his control
00:01<FryGuy>dang.
00:01<FryGuy>i just wanted to get the mythweb from cvs
00:01<Chutt>if it's not, i'll get someone else to host secondary dns for me
00:01<FryGuy>for some reason it seg faults my mythbackend
00:01<devnu11>umm, i dont need the libcd stuff if i dont intend to play cds, right? (system doesnt even have a cdrom)
00:01<Chutt>cvs is still down
00:01<Chutt>for anonymous access
00:02<Chutt>devnu11, i don't like making things optional
00:02<Chutt>too much hassle
00:02<devnu11>hehe, ok, then install it is :)
00:02<Chutt>added source for bugs
00:02<devnu11>ugh, bugs. i hate bugs
00:02<devnu11>im a perl programmer by day
00:03<Chutt>now
00:03<Chutt>the big question is
00:03<Chutt>how long will this ancient WD drive last
00:03<devnu11>haha
00:03<Chutt>i think i got it in '97
00:04<devnu11>well if my 486 mail server is still working with its stock drive, i think yer ok :P
00:04<Chutt>this is a WD drive
00:04<Chutt>though
00:04<Chutt>and it's a replacement for a replacement drive
00:04<devnu11>hehe
00:05<devnu11>ive got a wide mixture of wd, seagate, maxtor, and ibm, both in ide and scsi
00:05<moegreen>blue's UI.xml is up to date
00:05<Chutt>viewcvs is also running on there, if you have the need to use that
00:06<Chutt>oh, oops
00:06<Chutt>it's broken =)
00:06<Timon>I was just about to paste the error from viewcvs :-)
00:06<devnu11>man i love gentoo, installing stuff is just so damn easy
00:07<Chutt>had changed the path to cvs but didn't change it in the viewcvs conf
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00:18<devnu11>oh sweet, "silent warnings" is on scifi tonight, forgot about that
00:20<devnu11>is there a screen that shows how much time is scheduled for recording, and an estimate of how time is available based on free hdd space?
00:21<Chutt>nope
00:21<devnu11>hahaha, im setting this up over a vnc connection to my box since i havent gotten tvout working yet, and its actually streaming video over the vnc connection :)
00:22<justin>can you turn off the video on the epg anymore?
00:22<Chutt>nope
00:22<Chutt>it doesn't use any extra cpu to display, so
00:22<justin>well...
00:22<Chutt>just lose a little bit of screen space when you go to the epg in live-tv mode
00:23<devnu11>wow, and its getting upwards of 5fps at 1024x768. vnc is impressive!
00:23<justin>1) my video card is shitty and can't downscale Xv, and 2) you lose a lot of space:)
00:23<Chutt>ah
00:23<Chutt>actually, you probably can disable it by mucking around in the theme xml
00:23<Chutt>ui.xml
00:23<moegreen>justin: if you want, copy the <window name="programguide">
00:24<moegreen>to the <window name="programguide-video"> tag
00:24<devnu11>oops, crashed vnc :)
00:24<moegreen>the contents of the previous - that is
00:24<moegreen>that might work :)
00:25<devnu11>ok, wrong again, crashed the machine
00:25<devnu11>bleh
00:25<justin>ah, change programguide-video to the same as programguide?
00:25<justin>devnu11: normal X might be better than vnc for mythtv
00:25<devnu11>ya think? hehe
00:25<devnu11>i suppose its time to work on that tv-out thing then
00:26<devnu11>machine is downstairs and im up here tho...
00:26<moegreen>justin: well, if there is video to be shown - it loads the programguide-video, but if you were to copy all the containers from the 'programguide' then it will have the same layout as without video
00:26<moegreen>but I'm not sure how it will react to a 0x0 area for the video - that might need to be checked in the code because it's not now
00:26<justin>yeah...so delete programguide-video, copy programguide and rename the second to programguide-video?
00:26<moegreen>yeah
00:27<Chutt>heh
00:27<Chutt>wanna bet you didn't initialize the video area to 0? =)
00:27<moegreen>i know it isn't in fact :)
00:27<Chutt>so, bad things'll probably happen
00:27<moegreen>justin: keep the <container name="current_video"> in the programguide-video
00:27<moegreen>and change the sizes to 0,0,0,0
00:27<justin>ahh fsckit, i'll leave it
00:28<moegreen>heh
00:35<devnu11>hmm
00:36<devnu11>what does it mean when a computer stops booting at the bios screen after "verifying DMI pool data..."?
00:38<Ndiin>devnu11: It should be done with the bios at that point, at onto the harddrive/netboot/floppy/whatever.
00:39<devnu11>hmmm
00:41<devnu11>oh well, guess i will deal with it tomorrow
01:00<poptix>erp?
01:00<poptix>Backend stopped in RequestRingBufferBlock
01:02<orangey>poptix: I'm seeing that too
01:04<PeteCool>orangey: I'm having problems with SasQuatch 0.5.4.5
01:04<orangey>PeteCool: Grab the new ui.xml from http://tarek.2y.net/myth/SasQuatch/
01:05<orangey>PeteCool: It's actually undergone quite a few changes.. I just need to finish them up and zip it up into a new SQ .tar.gz
01:05<PeteCool>orangey: the screens in playback and setup wizards aren't correct...
01:05<orangey>the programguide, for example, is a little better than 1/2 done..
01:05<orangey>PeteCool: screens?
01:05<orangey>example?
01:05<PeteCool>they don't seem to have been updated since may 1st
01:06<PeteCool>hmm, is there a program to take a screenshot from a console? imagemagick?
01:06<orangey>yeah, I made my changes before then..
01:06<orangey>from a console? don't know..
01:06<PeteCool>the ui.xml from right before 0.5.4 is fine about that
01:07<orangey>are you talking about text breaking out of the boxes?
01:07<orangey>or are the images themselves messed up?
01:07<PeteCool>basically, just go to the playbackbox with blue, go change the theme to SasQuatch-latest, and parts of the screen is still from blue
01:08<PeteCool>or sometimes, I got to setup, and the page has a tansparent background: I see the previous screen through the text
01:08<PeteCool>again, pre 0.5.4 is fine about that
01:08<orangey>this is with the latest CVS?
01:08<orangey>cuz I'm certainly not seeing that happen over here..
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01:09<PeteCool>orangey: its with yesterday's CVS
01:10<orangey>PeteCool: Hmmm. if you could screenshot it, that would certainly help
01:10<orangey>and try with the new ui.xml and see what's up
01:11<PeteCool>orangey: unless the dates on your webserver are wrong I'm using the latest
01:12<PeteCool>I'll get it again anyway
01:14<orangey>hmmm. OK, but probably no sense if it's the latest one.. anyway, grab me a screen if possible (ksnapshot if you're kde'ing)
01:14<orangey>that would be the most helpful in getting through it.
01:15<PeteCool>orangey: import from imagemagick should be able to do it
01:16<PeteCool>orangey: I could summarize what I see as: "your ui.xml doesn't initialize the background right in some screens"
01:16<PeteCool>orangey: but I'm not sure of the workings of the themes, so I don't know if that makes sense
01:17<orangey>PeteCool: Funny thing, that.. it really doesn't.
01:17<orangey>because the background is pretty much just assigned once, and that's it..
01:22<PeteCool>orangey: what I have showing on my screen right now should explain it
01:22<PeteCool>explanations for when it's done: I went to that screen with blue, changed the theme to SQ-latest, and went to the screen again
01:22<PeteCool>you'll notice the shapes are right, but not the background
01:23<orangey>OK, will do it in a moment..
01:23<orangey>seems like a myth-side error, though
01:23<orangey>does ti resolve when you start up in SQ?
01:23<PeteCool>nope, I just have some sort of blank-beige background
01:23<PeteCool>I can SS that too
01:24<orangey>hmmm.
01:24<orangey>download the 2 background*.png's
01:25<orangey>I think I messed one of them up in .5.4.5
01:25<PeteCool>pixie SasQuatch-0.5.4.5 # ls -l ba*
01:25<PeteCool>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43012 Apr 27 11:07 background.png
01:25<PeteCool>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43012 Apr 27 11:07 background2.png
01:26<orangey>OK, good stuff..
01:26<orangey>so, even when you started in SQ, it still has that error?
01:26<PeteCool>yep
01:27<PeteCool>well, not if I use the ui.xml I grabbed before 0.5.4
01:27<orangey>well, those ui.xml's shouldn't even work!
01:28<PeteCool>the last time I tried it, I mean... they're lacking some parts IIRC
01:28<PeteCool>If I only go to playback its fine
01:29<orangey>but?
01:30<PeteCool>If I go to, the conflict resolution I think, it'll crash since your ui.xml doesn't have anything about that... but the wacky backgrounds problem isn't there
01:30<orangey>Ah. I see..
01:30<orangey>do you have transparencies enabled?
01:31<orangey>ui.xml doesn't even *touch* the background.. that's relegated to background.png
01:32<PeteCool>Use transparent boxes? that one is enabled
01:32<orangey>hmm. seems like all our options match
01:32<orangey>I'm not sure why it would work for me and not for you. A moment. I'll zip up the whole current directory
01:32<orangey>just erase what you have now and replace it.
01:34<orangey>http://tarek.2y.net/myth/SasQuatch-0.5.4.6.tar.gz
01:35<PeteCool>k
01:37<PeteCool>hmm... I must have had one corrupted file... it's ok now
01:37<PeteCool>sorry for the lost time :(
01:37<orangey>PeteCool: No fear.
01:37<orangey>needless to say, we're some ways off from even getting SQ working with everything that's happening right now
01:39<PeteCool>hmm, what's missing? some epg tweaking? (I'm seeing blue boxes here, but that ain't so bad - takes a few seconds to fix anyway)
01:41<PeteCool>Everything seems alright to me
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02:12<orangey>PeteCool: Well, the EPG without the preview window is completely untouched so far.. Then there is the mythweather and mythvideo UIs
02:13<orangey>not sure if you noticed that I redid the programfinder..
02:14<orangey>I gave it less space for the search boxes and more for the info box
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02:31<PeteCool>orangey: yes, that's nice
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03:23<Timon>someone told me the other day the command to figure out if a file has symbol info, anyone remember what that is?
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03:31<FryGuy>file?
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03:33<Timon>FryGuy: that might be it!
03:33<FryGuy>i think file just tells you the type
03:34<Timon>That was the command!
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03:36<Timon>This is really pissin me off. I recompiled mythtv with debug support and recompiled mythmusic but when I try to gdb it, its says no symbol table
03:36<Timon>err recompiled mythmusic with debug support as well
03:36<Timon>hey inman
03:36<inman>sup
03:36<Timon>Couple of ?'s for you.
03:37<inman>yep
03:37<Timon>You know that new 160gb I bought? Its a WD 160gb 7200 RPM w/ 8MB cache
03:37<Timon>Well, my old drive was a WD 100GB 7200 RPM 2MB cache
03:37<Timon>(Both ATA100)
03:37<Timon>I dd'd the 100 to the 160, but the 160 boots super slow.
03:37<Timon>Any ideas?
03:37<inman>who cares about boot time?
03:38<Timon>Boots really really really slow for both linux and windows?
03:38<Timon>I do :-)
03:38<inman>what does that mean "boots slow"?
03:38<Timon>Its seriously at least twice as slow
03:38<inman>the bios is slow to init the disk?
03:38<Timon>No, sorry
03:38<inman>what is the output of `hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hdb`
03:38<Timon>For example, loading the initrd image, is so slow
03:38<Timon>55mb/s
03:39<Timon>make clean
03:39<Timon>make distclean
03:39<Timon>hdb isn't hookedup
03:39<Timon>argh
03:39<Timon>hdb isn't hooked up
03:39<inman>what is 55m/s?
03:39<Timon>the 160gb
03:39<Timon>the 100 got about 45mb/s
03:40<Timon>err 55mb/s
03:40* inmanthinks.
03:40<inman>well, initially i would troubleshoot the disk with hdparm and make sure it is setup for best i/o speeds.
03:40<Timon>Previously, I wouldn't see the "Loading Linux. . . ." screen
03:41<Timon>lemme reinstall hdparm. I've wiped the partition a couple of times
03:41<inman>uh, why?
03:41<Timon>Because I wanted to try mandrake 9.1 again.
03:41<Timon>Went back to 9.0
03:42<Timon>[root@pvr hdparm-5.3]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
03:42<Timon>/dev/hda:
03:42<Timon> Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.46 seconds =278.26 MB/sec
03:42<Timon> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.21 seconds = 52.89 MB/sec
03:43<inman>so, what exactly is slow.
03:43<inman>just the `loading linux` line?
03:43<Timon>Well, the screen that says "Loading Linux" its super slow
03:43<Timon>Booting xp is super slow as well
03:44<bigguy>Timon: what motherboard?
03:44<Timon>kx7-333 I believe (abit)
03:44<inman>don't use the word screen if you don't have to.
03:45<inman>you are not distinguishing between lilo, the kernel, init, runlevels, et cetera.
03:45<bigguy>Timon: updated the bios since you got it?
03:45<Timon>bigguy: Yeah
03:45<Timon>Sorry inman
03:45<Timon>the lilo screen is slow as well
03:46<inman>Timon: i've spent most of the day under my car finishing some work, so i'm very tired. don't take my shortness the wrong way. :-)
03:46<Timon>inman: hehe, ok :-) Thanks for the warning
03:46<Timon>what was wrong with your car?
03:47<inman>i was swapping a differential into my supra-tt. it was not a standard part-swap, so things got a little complicated.
03:47<Timon>err my mobo is kx7-333
03:47<Timon>Sounds like a blast :-)
03:48<inman>did you change any of your bios settings?
03:48<Timon>Why'd you swap the diff?
03:48<Timon>inman: Nope
03:48<Timon>Hard drives are set to auto-detect
03:48<inman>i blew up the diff and propeller shafts while racing.
03:49<Timon>Ahhh, that explains it :-)
03:49<inman>i wanted to switch to the diff from an automatic since i wanted a taller rear gear.
03:49<Timon>1/4 mile? Street?
03:49<inman>1/4 mile
03:49<Timon>brackets?
03:49<inman>now my 6-speed has better gearing, i think.
03:49<Timon>You have a six speed in your supra?
03:49<inman>Timon: i run pro-street.
03:50<inman>Timon: stock 6m, yes.
03:50* Timon's a racing fan. Prefer nascar, but 1/4 mile is fun too
03:50<inman>Timon: this is the mkiv, late gen. supra twin-turbo. my car has ~420hp at the wheel, probly ~480 or so at the crank.
03:51<Timon>Beefy!
03:51<inman>i'm not really a fan of drag racing, it's just a good way to test+tune the car.
03:51<inman>i've run a 12.4 on street tires at the local backwoods track.
03:51<Timon>bigguy: Two updates for my bios since I've updated, but none dealing with HD's. Both deal with adding support for the latest athlons
03:52<Timon>Thats not bad
03:52<inman>Timon: you gotta get both disks in there for some real comparisons.
03:52<Timon>inman: I can tell you roughly what the parms were for the 100
03:52<inman>Timon: i know people running 11.4 on stock turbos.
03:52<inman>Timon: it doesn't matter. it's not a very good test unless they are both in the system running from one kernel.
03:52<Timon>it was like 250mb/s for cache and 45mb/s for buffered disk
03:52<inman>maybe you dd didn't work right.
03:53<Timon>But why would both os's boot if it didn't work right?
03:53<inman>Timon: why would they boot slower if it did?
03:53<Timon>Why doesn't my linux boot faster after I reloaded the os if it were the case that dd screwed up?
03:54<inman>oh, i didn't release you reloading without dd'ing.
03:54<inman>er, realize.
03:54<Timon>inman: I dunno. It could very well be something with the bios though. Cause things get speedy after the os loads. Which would indicate that the os has taken over control of the hardware and not the bios any longer
03:54<inman>yeah, i'm really that tired.
03:55<Timon>inman: I dd'd, then I reloaded the linux partition on my new 160
03:55<inman>it's 4a here.
03:55<Timon>ouch
03:55<inman>Timon: um, i have a theory.
03:55<Timon>I know that there used to be a 137gb limit
03:55<Timon>Whats that?
03:55<inman>i think that limit is screwing you.
03:55<Timon>the 137gb limit?
03:56<inman>i think you need to futz with kernel or bios to make it play nicely.
03:56<inman>it may never be as fast.
03:56<inman>it's probly slow because the bios is doing some sorta weird address translation.
03:56<Timon>Once it gets loaded its faster.
03:56<Timon>inman: thats exactly what I was thinking
03:56<inman>and, that bootup point is where the kernel has to use bios to do the reads.
03:56<inman>after the kernel loads, it can probe the system and do direct access.
03:57<Timon>The drive did come with a promise card.
03:57<inman>before that, lilo et cetera has to talk to the bios, which may be slowing stuff down due to the limit.
03:57<Timon>thats exactly what I was thinking
03:57<inman>you could try it, but frankly i would just give up on getting speedy boot times.
03:57<inman>what kinda difference are we talking here?
03:57<Timon>30-45 seconds
03:58<inman>30-45 slower or one is 30 and one is 45?
03:58<Timon>sorry, 30-45 seconds slower
03:58<Timon>My whole boot time before used to be 1:15 on xp. now its more like 2+
03:59<inman>i really think we've found your problem.
03:59<Timon>agreed
04:00<Timon>Its not going to be in my machine for that long. Maybe < 6 months. Until I get the funds to build a dedicated myth box
04:01<inman>hmm, the taller final gear in my car means my speedo will be off by roughly 25%.
04:01<inman>but, i will also scream through the rpms at about 2 seconds faster per gear.
04:01<inman>and i can launch the car more easily.
04:02<Timon>sweet!
04:02<inman>yeah, this thing is a monster.
04:02<inman>not much good in AK though. :-(
04:03<Timon>Sure it is :-)
04:03<Timon>We have a 1/4 mile, and an oval
04:03<inman>this ain't a grand national.
04:03<Timon>I presume its front wheel drive?
04:03<inman>it's designed for curves. rear-wheel drive.
04:04<Timon>inman: I see people driving worse cars and trucks up here in teh winter
04:04<inman>i also have a super-charged miata for track use (rear wheel) and a front wheel drive corrado vr6 for snow.
04:04<inman>the supra is just for the chicks. ;-P
04:05<Timon>The fad of slamming finally made its way up here a few years ago. You see people in cars that sit just a few inches off the ground that people drive in the snow
04:05<Timon>And of cource they get stuck :-)
04:05<inman>hey, with a limited slip diff, the supra is pretty fun in the snow if you have snow tires.
04:05<Timon>hahaha, for the chicks
04:05<Timon>You have snow where your at?
04:05<inman>ditto for the miata.
04:05<Timon>nebrask?
04:05<inman>hell yeah, i'm in boston. some of the worst weather on the planet, imo.
04:05<Timon>you haven't seen ak :-)
04:06<inman>i guess that's true. :-)
04:06<Timon>Snow and ice is pretty bad sometimes.
04:06<Timon>But, I will say this. . . They don't salt up here!!!!
04:06<Timon>That shit will eat your car in no times
04:06<Timon>err time
04:06<inman>i lived in NH where we had regular evenings of 10-30 below 0 and perma-snow.
04:06<Timon>They sand which is good
04:06<inman>yeah, sand is great.
04:07<inman>it's strange, but many states in the northeast don't seem to know about sand.
04:07<Timon>cept in the spring, when it gets dusty until they sweep.
04:07<Timon>inman: My boss is from wisconson, she said in the spring, the streets would literally be white and crusted with salt they used it so much
04:07<Timon>She said cars rusted quick
04:08<inman>yep. it's really annoying.
04:08<Timon>inman: You haven't felt cold till you've been to prudhoe bay, ak :-)
04:08<inman>i've been to mount washington
04:08<inman>supposedly some of the worst weather. but, i wasn't living there, just visiting.
04:08<Timon>10 below doesn't feel bad until you've felt it with a 20-30mph wind. Heck, sometimes it get down to -70f
04:09<inman>that's pretty bad.
04:09<inman>water-freezing-in-mid-air bad.
04:09<Timon>Prudhoe bay they tell me doesn't get up bas 40-50 in the summer.
04:09<inman>masochists.
04:09<Timon>I couldn't imagine working in that weather
04:10<Timon>Well, there are buses to take you every where. Most guys arne't outside for long.
04:10<inman>i could, indoors.
04:10<Timon>The food is awesome though
04:10<Timon>First night I was there, there was halibut and some other meat dish. Second night, steak and salmon
04:11<Timon>Plus salad bar, fruit, soda fountains all over. A whole freezer dedicated to just ice cream.
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04:11<Gulliver>hi all
04:11<Gulliver>someone awake?
04:11<inman>no.
04:11<Gulliver>(c;
04:11<Timon>Mind you this is the BP camps. I don't know about the Philips or some of the other ones
04:11<inman>seriously, i'm useless unless you've got a real quickie.
04:11<Gulliver>does someone knows whats up with the cvs server?
04:11<inman>it's dead.
04:12<inman>it'll be back, rebuilt with new hardware.
04:12<inman>disk failure.
04:12<inman>watch the lists and take it easy.
04:12<Gulliver>uugh - sounds bad )c:
04:12<Timon>inman: Nother question for you. I re-compiled mythmusic with debug, but when I try to gdb it, it says no symble table. I did file /usr/local/bin/mythmusic and it says it hasn't been stripped.
04:12<Timon>has anyone recieved mail from the list today?
04:12<Gulliver>so there's no way to get an actual cvs checkout?
04:12<Timon>the -dev list that is
04:12<inman>Gulliver: that's right.
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04:13<Gulliver>damn. wanted to try cvs (c;
04:13<inman>Timon: can you run nm on it and see lots of symbols?
04:13<Timon>Yup, lots
04:13<faye>does anyone have IP addresses for www or cvs?
04:13<Gulliver>hmmm... is mythtv.org itself offline, too?
04:13<Timon>I loaded up a new gdb
04:13<inman>watch the output of make and ensure that it's not stripping the binary, or otherwise castrate the binary.
04:13<Timon>inman: its not
04:13<inman>for strip, that is.
04:13<inman>faye: it's dead. disk failure. try again later.
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04:13<faye>oh no!
04:13<inman>Gulliver: no, mythtv.org is okay.
04:14<Gulliver>not here: Unknown machine: www.mythtv.org
04:14<faye>dns is down
04:14<Timon>inman: I think isaac hosts the dns for it :-)
04:14<faye>and both dns on same subnet too, bad juju
04:14<Gulliver>faye: do you know the ip?
04:14<faye>wish I did
04:14<inman>i don't know why he has the refresh that low.
04:14<inman>what do you need from the site?
04:15<inman>and why am i asking? it's now past 4a here.
04:15<Gulliver>the link to list-archive...
04:15<faye>a cvs snapshot
04:15<Gulliver>faye: forget the snapshot. cvs is entirely down
04:15<faye>someone may have checked it out and can tarball it for me though?
04:15<faye>wishful thinking perhaps
04:16<Timon>has anyone recieved mail from the -dev list today?
04:16<inman>Timon: i gotta crash. i think your problem is, in this order: binary (check it twice), gdb (check your use and try a fresh version or package)
04:16<Timon>I'm trying to figure out if my mail server is borked
04:16<Timon>inman: done both
04:16<faye>timon: it sounds like everything has gone belly up
04:16<inman>Timon: last mail from -dev i got was at 11a.
04:16<Timon>inman: same
04:17<inman>Timon: it's probly due to the dns timout.
04:17<inman>er, timoeout.
04:17<Timon>Ok, my wife normally gets 20+ messages per day and has only gotten 3 so I thought something bad on my end
04:17<inman>er, timeout.
04:17<Timon>sweet
04:17<inman>anyway, good night kids.
04:17<Timon>nite inman
04:17<Gulliver>Timon: try to send a message to your self...
04:17<Gulliver>night, inman
04:17* inmandreams of screetching tires.
04:17<faye>backup early, backup often, and use sourceforge :)
04:17<Timon>Gulliver: That doesn't work. I run my own mail server
04:18<Gulliver>Timon: don't you have and old account and gmx or something? send it from there
04:18<Timon>not really
04:18<Timon>I don't have a need to have any of those free accounts
04:21<Gulliver>Timon: I could send you a mail from my mailserver if this helps you?!
04:21<Timon>If you don't mind :-)
04:21<Timon>dan@milkcarton.com
04:23<Gulliver>it's on the way
04:23<Timon>got it
04:23<Timon>thanks
04:24<Timon>the crash Isaac had today has only brought home the fact that I need to backup
04:24<Gulliver>np
04:24<Timon>I think my last mail backup is from like 1.5 months ago
04:24<Timon>mind you my last back up is also my first and only backup :-)
04:26<Gulliver>Timon: yeah, I should also do a backup some more frequently (c;
04:26<Timon>you run your own mail server?
04:27<Gulliver>Timon: yes
04:35<Gulliver>does someone know how to enable deinterlace in xine for default? (currently I have to press I to activate it)
04:36<faye>please, does anyone have a recent checkout of the cvs that they could tarball for me?
04:37<Gulliver>if someone could do a tarball I would pleased, too (c:
04:37<faye>I'll even donate webspace
04:38<faye>you can put a link to it from the irc channel
04:38<Gulliver>could do the same (c: - located in germany and very fast...
04:39<faye>I don't think anyone's biting
04:40<Gulliver>faye: looks li ke we have to stay with 0.8 for a while /c:
04:41<faye>but I have a WinTV PVR250, .8 is no good to me :((
04:42<Gulliver>faye: cool - have had it working already? - I'm thinking of buying one.
04:43<faye>I can cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg and it works
04:43<Gulliver>cool
04:43<faye>but that's not elegant :)
04:43<Gulliver>how is the picture-quality?
04:43<faye>excellent, apart from an interlace issue, but that's what the deinterlace stuff is for
04:44<faye>I think it's doing the frames in BA order rather than AB
04:45<Gulliver>faye: pretty cool (c: - the duron 800 working in my mythtv-machine is fast enough to do a 640x480 recording with 8audio, but then I can't watch timeshifted-tv at the same time without having frame-drops...
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04:45<faye>this records at 720x576 (or 480 if you're in an NTSC country) and variants thereof
04:45<Gulliver>kopete crashed.
04:46<faye>heh, I like kopete, but it's a little unstable
04:46<Gulliver>nice (c: - faye: yeah, also the 0.6.2 release as many issues with the irc-module
04:46<faye>I'm using the CVS version at work
04:48<faye>it also records mpeg layer 2 audio at 48khz so it's practically ready to burn
04:48<faye>(um not kopete, the 250)
04:50<Gulliver>that's pretty cool (c: - but it's only stereo, right?
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04:55<bigguy>http://members.iinet.net.au/~davisk/lancer/lancer.htm
04:56<faye>it is only stereo, yes
04:58<faye>bigguy: I do quite like the lancer Evo on the rally circuits, but I've not driven one outside of GT3
04:59<faye>$20000 is cheap though
04:59<faye>costs more than 2x that in the uk
05:05<faye>hmm, that's a way different lancer
05:14<Gulliver>has someone working mythtv with a remote which has combined navigation (left,right, ...) and video (play, stop, ...) keys?
05:17<faye>nope, but I do have a friend with a couple of days old version of the cvs
05:19<Gulliver>faye: does he tar it up for you? (and probaly me? *g* )
05:19<faye>he's going to tar it for me
05:19<faye>then I'll make it available for download
05:19<Gulliver>cool. thanks in advice (c:
05:19<faye>and the author can get a recent copy :)
05:24<faye>he's just copying and cleaning the directory tree
05:30<faye>http://dude.noc.clara.net/~faye/mythtv.tar.bz2
05:30<Gulliver>thanks a lot :D
05:31<faye>it's got all the addons too I think
05:31<Gulliver>cool (c:
05:35<Gulliver>MC compiles (c:
05:36<faye>I wish I had broadband
05:41<Gulliver>I have (c:
05:41<faye>it's compiling now
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06:44<faye>can anyone help with setting up mythtv to work ivtv?
06:45<faye>Mythtv says V4l MJPEG card, but no inputs found
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08:35<faye>fixed
08:38<faye>now it's up and running, watching live tv, but then crashes (ring buffer goes crazy) when pressing up arrow during play
08:38<faye>I think this is the can't end stream, and start a new one without reloading ivtv problem
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09:04<bline>g'mornin
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09:13<Chutt>howdy
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09:50<Universe>website down for the count..
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10:26<faye>hi
10:26<faye>is anyone using mythtv with ivtv?
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11:04<Chutt>there
11:04<Chutt>dns is back
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11:11<Universe>good
11:11<Universe>Chutt... Do you think a Celeron 366 would be good enough for the frontend only?
11:12<Chutt>not for full sized video playback, no
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11:12<PeteCool>Universe: Celeron 500 is enough
11:13<Universe>Thanks..
11:13<PeteCool>Universe: but I record at 320x480
11:14<PeteCool>Universe: it might not be enough if you use something bigger
11:18<Universe>Do you know what resolution Tivo records at?
11:19<Universe>nm.. found it I think..
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13:09<faye>hi, can anyone tell me what the new cvs root is?
13:10<TheAsp>:pserver:mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/mythcvs
13:12<faye>thank you very much
13:18<faye>I've followed the instructions in HOWTO-19 for PVR250, I get a capture when I do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg, but nothing in mythtv. I managed to get a picture up once, but I can't repeat the magic
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13:49<Chutt>heh
13:49<Chutt>everyone's using my bandwidth grabbing cvs
13:49<inman>not me. :-/
13:50* inmanyawns.
13:50<Ripp>heh I had to pick this wkend to try and upg. to cvs...sorry man!
13:51<inman>the goiter is the last line of defense.
13:51<inman>oops, w/w.
14:21<Ripp>are there any problems w/ xmltv 0.5.10 & myth (going to update it)
14:24<PeteCool>Chutt: what's on your long-term todo list atm? I'm wondering what could be added to myth now, it seems mostly complete to me
14:29<faye>oh WOW
14:30<faye>sorry, it's the first time I've seen mythtv working
14:30<faye>it's been a struggle with the pvr250 and uk listings
14:30<faye>but worth every minute
14:30<faye>Congrats!
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14:46<Chutt>petecool, my big todo list is actually quite small
14:46<Chutt>get mythmusic able to do streams, make it backend aware
14:47<Chutt>improve the UI more
14:48<bigguy>ugh I hate that. People need to atleast have a plaintext part I hate pure html email
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14:52<Chutt>may spend some time doing a better dvd frontend
14:52<Chutt>if i get really bored, since i don't really need one
14:54<bigguy>that would be nice
15:22<Ober>did mythtv change cvs dir ?
15:22<moegreen> :pserver:mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/mythcvs
15:22<moegreen>it's 'mythtv' instead of 'MC' now, too
15:25<Ober>ahh
15:25<Ober>what is the new module name?
15:25<moegreen>mythtv
15:25<Ober>thanks
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15:34<Ober>slowest cvs server in the south :D
15:35<moegreen>heh
15:36<bigguy>hmm I always thought chutt was an ohio man
15:36<bigguy>ohio's not exactly "the south"
15:36<Ober>s/south/north/g
15:36<bigguy>heh
15:37<Ober>well you all are south of me
15:37<bigguy>no we aren't
15:37<bigguy>we are west or east of you depending on which way your head is turned ;)
15:38<Ober>still south of my latitude
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16:31<mdz_>Chutt: are all the logs gone from CVS?
16:31<Chutt>nope
16:31<Chutt>i got 3/4 of the MC dir
16:31<Chutt>and everything up until mid-march for everything else
16:32<mdz_>ah
16:33<Chutt>you see the email on the list about the new cvsroot?
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16:41<mdz_>yep
16:44<Chutt>i wasn't sure how well cvs dealt with having lower revision numbers (but newer files) on the cvs server and higher revisions on the local checkouts
16:44<Chutt>figured it was best to just force everyone to recheckout with a new path
16:45<mdz_>you could cvs commit -r2.0 everything
16:45<mdz_>I had actually just munged my working directory and was trying to update
16:45<mdz_>I suppose it'll fail
16:47<mdz_>actually it seems to be doing ok
16:47<Chutt>hadn't even thought of just setting the revision # on the server
16:48<Chutt>ah well
16:48<Chutt>i got to change the path name, anyway =)
16:48<Chutt>been wanting to make it mythtv instead of MC for awhile
16:48<inman>i'm glad you did.
16:48<mdz_>if it completes and diffs ok, should I post the one-liners to the mailing list?
16:48<mdz_>might save you some bandwidth if fewer people checkout the whole tree again
16:49<Chutt>doesn't really matter to me
16:50<Chutt>might help some people, if you want
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17:15<Chutt>thor, hi
17:15<thor>Hey
17:15<Timon>hey thor, ltns
17:15<Chutt>welcome back
17:15<thor>thanks
17:15<thor>was away a little longer than expected
17:16<inman>howdy thor
17:16<thor>saw the home page update
17:16<thor>we have a release pending?
17:16<Chutt>what was your cvs account name?
17:16<Chutt>just 'thor'?
17:16<thor>yup
17:16<Chutt>kinda sorta
17:17<thor>did cvs change?
17:17<Chutt>no hard deadline
17:17<Chutt>just 'near future'
17:17<Chutt>yeah
17:17<thor>hopefully I get that mythmusic GUI stuff done in time
17:17<Chutt>lost the harddrive friday night
17:17<thor>oh
17:17<thor>do we have a password protocol?
17:17<Chutt>didn't have an exactly recent backup =)
17:17<thor>and no mirrors
17:18<Timon>Chutt: What failed on it? Spindle stopped spinning? Head crash?
17:18<Chutt>head crash
17:18<Timon>ouch
17:18<Chutt>clicking noises
17:19<Chutt>retrieved a bit of data
17:19<Chutt>but all in all, just lost some history data
17:19<Timon>I need to backup my stuff come to think of it
17:19<Chutt>thor, there's info on the list about the new cvsroot
17:20<thor>ok
17:20<Chutt>and mdz just sent a mail with a couple one-liners to modify an existing checkout to work with the new one
17:20<Chutt>but, i'd keep a backup of your working dir just in case =)
17:20<mdz_>it almost works
17:21<mdz_>one file was broken in my working directory
17:21<mdz_>cvs [server aborted]: could not find desired version 1.51 in /var/lib/mythcvs/mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/viewscheduled.cpp,v
17:21<Chutt>think i should just mass update the version?
17:22<Chutt>hrm
17:22<Chutt>but, if you have a modified version
17:22<Chutt>it won't be able to checkout the original to see what changed
17:23<Chutt>etc
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17:36<inman>i think you should proceed with the rename.
17:37<Chutt>oh, i wasn't going to change it back
17:37<inman>yeah, i mean ignore the version issue.
17:38<inman>proceed with the rename alone.
17:44<moegreen>Chutt: is the video-ui.xml file in cvs, or should I add it again?
17:45<cbetan>How to know which chipset is a WinTV card model using? I just bought a WinTV card thinking it had a bt878 chipset, however it had a Conexant CX21881 - for which there's no good driver yet. Any pointers?
17:45<Chutt>moegreen, i just checked it in
17:46<moegreen>ok
17:46<moegreen>are all the other ui changes in there?
17:46<moegreen>(for mythvideo)
17:47<thor>hey, moegreen ... did you do anything complicated to the UI stuff during the last two weeks (I've been away)
17:48<moegreen>thor: I added a few new classes to handle the EPG, and slightly changed a few others (mainly just initialization stuff)
17:48<thor>ok ... I put some changes in before I left, hope they didn't cause any problems
17:49<thor>I am still planning on adding virtual methods to base UI classes to do things like takeFocus(), and then have default implementation do absolutely nothing. Any problems with that?
17:50<moegreen>thor: heh, no, it took me a while to merge them because I had a function missing from my copy and paste :)
17:50<moegreen>thor: no
17:50<thor>cool
17:50<thor>won't happen for a day or two ... I need to get caught up
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18:55<PeteCool>Chutt, moegreen: I've been seeing this for a while: http://petecool.dyndns.org:8081/delete-shading.png
18:55<PeteCool>it happens only when I come back from watching a recording - deleting from the playbackbox (with 'd') produces normal shading
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19:40<PeteCool>Chutt: how could I help fix that? I don't think a bt will help much... maybe some cout's at specific spots?
19:42<moegreen>PeteCool: is it leaving some shadow up there? or is it not drawing the entire shadow?
19:46<PeteCool>moegreen: it's not painting the entire shadow
19:47<PeteCool>moegreen: a while back it happened too, it seemed pretty easy to fix (<3 mins)
19:47<PeteCool>it wasn't drawing the topmost part of the shadow at that time
19:49<PeteCool>moegreen: that's with the png shadowing, btw
19:50<moegreen>PeteCool: does it work the other way? (non-png shadowing)
19:50<PeteCool>moegreen: haven't tried yet... hold on
19:51<PeteCool>moegreen: it's the same
19:55* TheAspupgrades pete's eyes
19:57<PeteCool>TheAsp: I'm not talking about the looks but about the unshadowed areas
19:57<PeteCool>TheAsp: the looks difference isn't so big on my small tv anyway :)
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20:15<PeteCool>moegreen: the full shadowing shows for a brief moment though... but only before anything else but the background is drawn
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20:16<poptix>hmm
20:17<poptix>i wonder if i could somehow mux two S-VIDEO inputs
20:17<poptix>i can get mythtv to use a dxr3 for output
20:17<poptix>it's just a matter of writing the mpeg2 audio/video to a device in /dev
20:18<poptix>hrm.
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20:35<aleitner>is there a certain reason why there is no debian package for the video plugin?
20:35<aleitner>or did just nobody provide one yet (;
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20:36<Tack>What's the correct CVSROOT for mythtv lately?
20:40<poptix>Tack: search the fucking archives
20:40<moegreen>:pserver:mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org:/var/lib/mythcvs
20:40<poptix>christ.
20:40<moegreen>module name is now: mythtv
20:40* poptixruns off screaming
20:40<moegreen>heh
20:40<Tack>I actually did search them before I asked, but stupidly searched the wrong mail folder.
20:41<Tack>So, yes, it's my bad. But goddamn poptix can you be any more of an asshole?
20:41<Tack>moegreen: Thanks.
20:43<rkulagow>chutt: please sync CVS docs to website.
20:45<poptix>Tack: yes, i could be
20:45<poptix>moegreen, rkulagow: do either of you know the status of Xv support on a dreamcast?
20:45<rkulagow>poptix: no idea.
20:46<poptix>trying to find a low end system around here for putting in the livingroom
20:47<poptix>i know it's fast enough to play the video
20:47<poptix>just not sure if it can manage Xv output
20:48<poptix>hmm
20:48<poptix>this dreamcast linux distro includes xmame.x11
20:49<poptix>which seems to require Xv
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20:57<yebyen>man
20:58<yebyen>is the cvs server among the living?
21:00<WizFactor>read your scrollback ... about 15-20 lines up
21:01<Tack>yebyen: You better run for cover. If poptix finds you he'll slit your throat!
21:01<yebyen>oops :)
21:01<poptix>i would if I could.
21:02<yebyen>new module name, too.
21:02<yebyen>heh
21:05<yebyen>but forgive me... I'm going on 2 hours of sleep (10am-noon) since 9am yesterday
21:05<yebyen>HEH
21:05<yebyen>damned lan party
21:06<yebyen>Chutt: i noticed that bit about your todo list for 0.9 being rather short... if you like, I could give you some suggestions for 1.0 :)
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21:18<poptix>hrm.
21:28* poptixcross compiles qt for SH4
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21:42<rkulagow>holy smokes! i just realized that i'm 12ms ping time from a mandrake mirror. sweet.
21:43* rcaskeyinstalled mandrake but is back to debian
21:43<rcaskey>I might try it again when I get the chance to burn the whole set
21:43<rcaskey>but the first cd install seemed to be unusable
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21:59<orangey>hey guys! HOw do I diff something with cvs?
21:59<orangey>cvs -diff -u <filename> >> diff.diff?
22:00<orangey>OK, skip the first "-"
22:00<orangey>The next question being, how do I patch something with a diff (apply the diff)?
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22:04<bline>orangey: patch < foo.diff
22:04<bline>orangey: man patcch
22:05<bline>err patch
22:05<bline>btw, I usually use cvs diff -c filename > foo.patch
22:06<Chutt>i'll only look at stuff that's -u
22:06<bline>heh, ok
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22:06<Chutt>just easier to read
22:06<bline>-c looks nice
22:06<bline>I perfer context diffs
22:07<bline>off to work
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22:08<rcaskey>hey Chutt, is it possible to use ioslaves with mythmusic by any chance?
22:08<Chutt>i dunno
22:08<Chutt>it only does files right now
22:09<rcaskey>It seems like mythmusic might could play nice with juke to get some additional features for a little work
22:09* yebyenupdates to current cvs
22:09<yebyen>mmm
22:09<Chutt>send in a patch
22:09<yebyen>so, how close IS 0.9 really :)
22:09<rcaskey>hehe, 1 week of finals left, then we will see what I am up too :)
22:09<Chutt>yebyen, i dunno
22:10<Chutt>i'd like to give thor enough time to finish the music ui remake
22:10<yebyen>that's a good enough answer for me, heh... means it's not "I'm releasing it tomorrow"
22:10<Chutt>which'll also leave enough time to work out a bug or two
22:11<rcaskey>I'm itching to see how mythmusic handles my 60 gig collection
22:11<Chutt>oh, and i want to get the settings stuff fixed up a little
22:11<rcaskey>but it's only available via the sftp slave right now
22:12<Chutt>poorly, if it's mp3
22:12<rcaskey>yeah it is
22:12<rcaskey>why poorly?
22:12<Chutt>until someone bothers to send in a patch that makes it not parse the entire file to get the song length
22:12<Chutt>no one has yet, so..
22:12<rcaskey>oh
22:13<jrh>i have a 30gig collection, first run takes a night, but after that its fast.
22:13<Chutt>it's fairly easy
22:14<rcaskey>Chutt: yeah, I know net-ryhthmbox had to hack an existing library
22:14<rcaskey>and it still reads like 50-100k on teh song
22:14<Chutt>look for a xing header to determine if it's vbr, use that to calculate the length
22:14<rcaskey>it too me like 30 hours to index that collection
22:14<Chutt>else assume it's cbr and just divide the filesize - taglength by the bitrate
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22:15<Chutt>i'm just lazy and don't care about mp3s, so i never bothered to do it
22:16<rcaskey>more visualizations would be cool, but it seems wasteful to use a custom form of visualization when noatun has all those nice ones laying around
22:16<Chutt>noatun's crap
22:16<Chutt>i looked at it when i was looking for an engine to base mythmusic off of
22:17<rcaskey>Arts in general needs to die
22:17<Chutt>pretty much =)
22:17<rcaskey>all hail gstreamer
22:17<Chutt>gstreamer also leaves a bad taste in my mouth
22:17<rcaskey>I think its just immature
22:17<Chutt>don't like the architecture
22:18<rcaskey>its sure does promise nice things
22:19<Chutt>i was all happy when i found mq3, since it's based roughly off of the freeamp with all the annoying, broken bits of freeamp fixed
22:20<Chutt>hrm
22:21<Chutt>i forgot how i massaged some of the doc output
22:21<Chutt>oh well, i'll update em tomorrow
22:23<rcaskey>Chutt: have you looked at finglonger any?
22:23<Chutt>nope
22:23<rcaskey>general framework for remote input that will be included in 3.2
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22:55<bline>hola
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23:10<bline>cable companies trying to get laws past to ban pvr's such as TiVo http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/04/28/BU269543.DTL
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23:12<rcaskey>yeah, they really don't have a hope of doing squat about normal telivision, but they might yet succeed in HDTV
23:14<Timon>The only reason HDTV may succeed is because of gub'ment regulation requiring it
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23:27<Ripp>hdtv *was* a good idea 'til the drm-types got a hold of it
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23:52<orangey>hmmm. anybody else see anything like this:
23:52<orangey>X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) 167
23:52<orangey> Major opcode: 141
23:52<orangey> Minor opcode: 19
23:52<orangey> Resource id: 0x3e00010
23:54<orangey>hehehe. how embarassing.
23:54<orangey>I was trying to run myth from an ssh into another system (my main server)