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00:01<BenB>Chutt: I guess I'll leave analog tuning alone for now, then, at least in my patch.
00:01<Chutt>ok
00:01<Chutt>that makes the most sense
00:01<BenB>too bad, would have been a nice opportunity to fix things here.
00:01<Chutt>nothing's broken.
00:02<BenB>for me, it is. I can't tune to most channels using the number
00:02<Chutt>move to a country with sane television standard
00:02<Chutt>s
00:02<BenB>(even if I knew their channum, which I don't)
00:02<Chutt>problem solved =)
00:02<BenB>Chutt: haha, frankly, I think the american system is totally broken :)
00:02<BenB>but that's not the point :)
00:02<Chutt>why?
00:03<Chutt>how can the 'name your own channels' work when most people get > 100 channels?
00:03<BenB>because I want to enter 7 (the number I chose) for Pro 7, not the channum that my antenna happens to use.
00:04<orangey>OK, next question: how often does inittab check to respawn?
00:04<orangey>I thought it was instantaneous.
00:04<BenB>Chutt: name your favs, at the beginning (one-digit), leave the reast as the autotuning did.
00:04<Chutt>that's extremely silly
00:04<Chutt>channels change _often_
00:04<Chutt>stuff gets added, stuff gets deleted
00:05<BenB>hm?
00:05<Chutt>stuff gets moved around
00:05<Chutt>but, whatever
00:05<BenB>yes, and I don't want to relearn the numbers each time :)
00:07<rcaskey>I don't ever bother with the channels. I just go by shows and whats on at what time
00:07<BenB>well, whatever you think is better. european users expect to have ARD on 1, and evrything else is completely broken for them.
00:07<rcaskey>The only time I ever care is PBS because then I know there won't be any ads
00:07<Chutt>i don't care at all about any user but me :p
00:07<BenB>and my channels have channums like SE17, which I can't key in at all.
00:07<orangey>hmmm. this is interesting.
00:07<BenB>Chutt: heh, noticed :)
00:07<orangey>when mythbackend runs from my command prompt, everything is peachy
00:08<BenB>Chutt: no, can't be that bad, or you wouldn't be here, I guess :)
00:08<orangey>when I run it from the inittab, via a respawn, mythfrontend segfaults when I try to get to EPG
00:11<Chutt>jdanner, you accidently reverted some stuff when the new epg went in =)
00:11<Chutt>nothing big, though
00:12<jdanner>hmmm...oops...what changes?
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00:12<Chutt>revision 1.103, if you're really curious
00:12<Chutt>couple tiny little memory leaks
00:12<orangey>Chutt: are they reverted back?
00:12<Chutt>they will be soon
00:12<orangey>Chutt: might I ask how you picked them up?
00:13<Chutt>i'm going through cleaning up some stuff
00:13<orangey>Chutt: What are the chances the changes would have never been discovered?
00:13<Chutt>tiny
00:13<orangey>what are some other ways they might have been found, if not by "stumbling" upon them in this way?
00:14<orangey>(I'm curious.. can you tell?)
00:14<BenB>oh shit, how do I now fetch all the tons of parameters for DVB tuning? I don't think that tv rec should know about them all. *sigh*
00:14<BenB>previously, I passed them in a map.
00:15<BenB>and fetched them in a generic way
00:15<Chutt>what's wrong with just giving the dvbchannel object a db pointer/lock and having it grab them itself?
00:15<BenB>Chutt: nothing, I guess.
00:15<BenB>Chutt: wasn't sure, if that's a good way.
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00:23<orangey>I wonder how easy it would be to set a
00:23<orangey>I wonder how easy it would be to set a "voyeur" option up so that more than one player could play the same video stream, though perhaps only one would be in control
00:23<Chutt>why not just play it multiple times?
00:24<orangey>Chutt: How do you mean?
00:24<orangey>Chutt: Well, what not.. currently, though, myth won't let two players to play the same thing when it comes to live tv
00:25<Chutt>that'd be nasty.
00:25<orangey>in which ways?
00:26<orangey>presumably serving the stream isn't the intensive part.. so what of serving it twice?
00:26<Chutt>it's a ringbuffer
00:26<Chutt>two readers would make it nasty.
00:26<orangey>ah. i guess my almost complete lack of understanding of what a ringbuffer is keeps me from following : )
00:31<rcaskey>so to help pinpoint the problem...would you say your almost complete lack is totally almost complete?
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00:32<orangey>rcaskey: I would.
00:36<Chutt>hmm
00:36<Chutt>odd
00:36<Chutt>dma was off on my drive
00:37<Chutt>cute
00:37<Chutt>turn it on, system freeze
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00:56<Chutt>moegreen, i included that tiny icon patch of leandro's in my last commit
00:59<Chutt>seems to fix things for me
01:00<Chutt>and, it makes sense, as it looks like it'd be loading the icon with a size of 0, otherwise
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01:02<moegreen>Chutt: yeah, but is the icon the correct size?
01:02<Chutt>yup
01:02<moegreen>hmmm...odd, ok
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01:06<Chutt>i "fixed" your indenting, too =)
01:07<Chutt>hope you don't mind =)
01:07<Chutt>hmm
01:07<moegreen>heh, no ... thought I had most of it right
01:07<Chutt>naw, just a couple places were off
01:07<Chutt>you were close =)
01:08<Chutt>nothing major
01:08<Chutt>just figured i was going through and changing things for those rect updates, might as well
01:08<Chutt>also fixed it so the video rect can not exist
01:08<Chutt>though i didn't test that
01:09<moegreen>so you check to see if it has a size before the video is embedded?
01:09<Chutt>yup
01:09<moegreen>should work :)
01:09<Chutt>and initialize everyting to 0
01:10<moegreen>Did you see any leftover setup options from the class init function? I think I got all of them ...
01:10<moegreen>i.e. settings that aren't used
01:10<moegreen>anymore
01:11<Chutt>didn't really look
01:12<Chutt>you took out the program bar stuff, right?
01:12<moegreen>yeah
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01:12<moegreen>That could be removed from the program finder
01:13<moegreen>I think there is a better way to handle it if the functionality is desired
01:15<moegreen>Chutt: after the 'fillChannelInfos(maxchannel);'
01:15<moegreen>change to:
01:15<moegreen>m_currentStartChannel = m_currentStartChannel - (int)(desiredDisplayChans / 2);
01:15<moegreen> setStartChannel(m_currentStartChannel);
01:15<moegreen>I think that should fix the problem with the guide not starting on the 'current' channel
01:16<moegreen>(while you're under the hood) :)
01:16<Chutt>ok
01:16<Chutt>hmm
01:17<Chutt>i think the issue may be negative values
01:17<Chutt>since m_currentStartChannel is an unsigned int
01:17<moegreen>I think the setStartChannel checks for that
01:17<moegreen>err, oh yeah
01:17<Chutt>m_currentStartChannel - something may drive it negative
01:17<Chutt>and then wrap around
01:18<Chutt>i'll make a temporary var
01:18<moegreen>could you just pass m_currentStartChannel - (int)(desiredDisplayChans / 2)
01:18<moegreen>to setStartchannel? it takes an int
01:18<Chutt>right
01:18<moegreen>and does the check
01:21<Chutt>he
01:22<Chutt>know why the time display in the upper right blinks?
01:22<moegreen>yeah, the program info rect overlaps the 'current' rect
01:22<moegreen>so each redraw, it blanks the time
01:22<Chutt>ah
01:23<moegreen>for that I might also add the current time to the program container
01:23<Chutt>which rect is that?
01:23<Chutt>ah, nm
01:23<moegreen>program_info
01:24<moegreen>The 'current time' could also go elsewhere in the theme and perhaps be expanded to show a date/day/month info
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01:30<moegreen>Chutt: Can you reproduce this? In the program guide, hit the down arrow key a bunch of times in a row, then stop - i can usually get it to draw the first channel # twice and the last channel is wrong. (for example I just did it and I get 12, 12, 13, 14, 15, 9)
01:30<moegreen>The guide is correct, just not the channel info
01:30<moegreen>hitting down one more time after this occurs the channel list goes back to normal
01:31<Chutt>hmmm
01:31<Chutt>nope
01:31<Chutt>can't reproduce that
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01:34<moegreen>heh, actually it's just the 9 that is out of place - for some reason I have two channel 12s and two channel 7's. They have different callsigns because each channel gets certain times of the day
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01:36<Chutt>all right
01:36<Chutt>everything but the i18n stuff
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01:36<Chutt>and i'll get to that tomorrow
01:36<Chutt>moegreen, probably should eventually support those channels
01:37<Chutt>rename it automatically or whatnot at the appropriate times
01:37<moegreen>Chutt: it's odd though, right now it has shows for both channels
01:37<Chutt>heh
01:37<moegreen>I guess the cable company just decides when to actually air the different channel
01:38<moegreen>heh, you could get burned thinking you're recording something but ends up the cable company decided not to choose that channel
01:39<Chutt>is it all just ads on one channel?
01:40<moegreen>No, one channel is the church channel (which has other various religious programming) and the other is the halmark channel
01:40<moegreen>In the othercase, one is education access - the other is government access
01:40<Chutt>weird
01:41<Chutt>ah well
01:41<Chutt>it's horribly late
01:41<moegreen>I watch none of them so I guess I could just delete the channels :)
01:41<Chutt>that's what i do
01:41<Chutt>cull out the crap channels
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02:04<Timon>In mythfrontend - livetv, is there an easy standard way to do a popup window?
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03:53<BenB>moegreen: read those channel vs. station posts? maybe that change would help your shared channels.
04:00<BenB>of course it would need a sense of time in channel logic, though.
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04:31<bline>maybe i missed this, but there is no "previous channel" key in keys.txt is there?
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04:36<BenB>bline: press H
04:36<BenB>(IIRC)
04:39<bline>hmm, nothing in keys.txt about that
04:39<bline>I would test, but I'm not at home
04:41<BenB>recent addition, they probably forgot to add it.
04:41<bline>ahh, cool
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10:20<sGeek>anyone get Myth to work with an Ati 7500?
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10:25<moegreen>sGeek: what seems to be the problem?
10:28<sGeek>no problem...It seemed to me that the AIW 7500 wasn't supported
10:35<Chutt>it won't work as a capture device as the linux drivers are too immature for that
10:36<sGeek>:(
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10:37<BenB>good morning chutt
10:39<BenB>Since I have MythTV, I am working it a lot of time, but actually watch less TV (IIRC) :-)
10:39<BenB>s/it/on it/
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10:40<Chutt>the dumbasses on the list need to stop crossposting.
10:41<BenB>heh, I guess I don't see the effects that much, my (Cyrus) IMAP server removes duplicates (messages with the same ID)
10:42<Chutt>i'm more thinking of the additional work the server has to do
10:43<BenB>ah, nod :-(
10:43<BenB>should I host the list for you?
10:43<Chutt>no
10:43<BenB>k
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11:20<BenB>ops, I just notice that I've been totally fooled by the clock on the new EPG (upper right). I thought it were the start time of the programme.
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11:21<sGeek>anyone here use myth with digital cable?
11:23<BenB>ok, I am so far done with the changes for DVB, apart from the support/config apps
11:23<BenB>Chutt: want to have a look over the code, to see if it's ok?
11:23<Chutt>sure
11:23<Chutt>i'm busy at the moment, though
11:24<BenB>not that I haven't tested it yet, just to see, if you have any code-level comments.
11:24<BenB>ok
11:24<BenB>s/not/note/
11:27<Chutt>just email it to me offlist or whatnot, i'll check it out when i've got time
11:27<BenB>ok
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12:27<Lathi>heh, cool!
12:28<Lathi>maybe you guys can talk me into building a mythtv box ;-)
12:28<Lathi>i'm trying to decide what the current recommended hardware is and if i can afford it.
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13:16<Chutt>benb, much better
13:16<BenB>hi chutt :)
13:16<BenB>Chutt: great :)
13:17<Chutt>much less of an impact to existing code
13:18<BenB>hm, not sure. anyways :-)
13:18<BenB>any other things to change?
13:18<BenB>I'm doing the "big cleaning" right now ;-)
13:18<Chutt>nothing right off, no
13:19<BenB>ok
13:19<BenB>all the better :)
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13:22<Lathi>does the wintv-pvr 250 work well enough that i can get away with an athlon 600?
13:22<Chutt>probably
13:22<Chutt>but you could buy a normal tv card and a faster computer for almost the same price
13:23<BenB>yeah, 2 pvrs cost mayb $300-400, that's as much as an opteron costs ;-)
13:23<Lathi>i already have the case, memory, and cpu. i need a new motherboard (my old one is cracked), video card, video capture, and a new monster hard disk
13:24<Lathi>i see the wintv-pvr 250 for about $150
13:24<Lathi>why do i need two?
13:24<BenB>to record 2 shows at once :)
13:24<BenB>you don't need 2
13:24<Chutt>if you're already buying a new motherboard, then the price is even more in favor of just software encoding
13:24<Lathi>i have directv. i doubt i'll be able to get that working anyway.
13:25<Lathi>new mobo is $70, new cpu is ~ $100
13:25<Chutt>$50 for an xp 1800+
13:25<BenB>you can get a duron 1300 with cooler for eur 50.
13:26<BenB>shit, why are computer parts so cheap in the US
13:26<Chutt>new motherboard is also $50
13:26<Lathi>heh, pricewatch is showing $35 for duron 1.3GHz
13:27<Lathi>is that fast enough for watching/pausing live tv?
13:27<BenB>yes
13:27<BenB>I use an athlon 1200. quality is not perfect with fast moves, but ok.
13:27<Chutt>i'd go with an actual xp, just so you have plenty extra
13:28<BenB>yes, if you buy a new one, definitely
13:28<Lathi>xp 1500 != 1.5GHz, right?
13:28<BenB>xp1800 = 1.633Ghz, something like that
13:29<Lathi>and that's enough to do software de/en-coding for a single channel for watching live tv?
13:29<BenB>yes
13:30<Chutt>more than enough
13:30<Lathi>i'm also interested in being able to plug my camera into my system and download images to my mythtv hard disk
13:30<Chutt>plenty of cpu to spare
13:30<Lathi>my camera works fine with gphoto2 and usb
13:30<Lathi>would this be some kind of extention to mygallery or a new app?
13:31<Chutt>could be added to mythgallery
13:31<Chutt>if someone wanted to
13:32<Lathi>i'm sorry for the ignorant questions, i haven't downloaded anything yet. what language is mythgallery written in?
13:33<BenB>Englisch ;-P
13:33<BenB>C++
13:34<BenB>(eh, I think so)
13:34<Chutt>it's c++, using qt
13:35<Lathi>oh, that's right. mythtv is all qt based.
13:41<Lathi>how do myth applications work? could i write something in perlqt and plug it in?
13:45<BenB>YOu can start external applications via the menu, and if they have the same look and size, then it should work.
13:45<BenB>but using the myth framework is certainly preferred, of course.
13:46<thor_>moegreen ... are you around?
13:48<thor_>if you show up later (before I forget the question) ... is the order of drawing supposed to be by container, and then within container by draw order? Or is draw order supposed to be top level?
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13:50<moegreen>thor_: containers are draw in the order they appear in the XML file (or added to the LayerSet class), witihin the container items are drawn via their draw order, but ever above that within the order they appear in the container
13:50<thor_>OK, so order in the xml file is supposed to matter
13:51<thor_>good ... that means I'm not insane
13:51<moegreen>well, it just ends up mattering - it can be conveinient
13:52<Lathi>so mythgallery doesn't support anything like re-organizing images (IOW, moving images)
13:52<thor_>moegreen you don't have any nearly done UIType buttons that you're about to commit, do you?
13:53<moegreen>no, but I don't have anything really managed either. You could start with the UIImage class and add another image for pressed/disabled, etc
13:53<thor_>yup .. ok ... plus some signals and slots ... actually almost done with that
13:55<thor_>one more thing, passing "context" to Draw() was just a one-off to deal with how similar delete and select are, yes? i.e., nothing more complicated intended
13:56<Lathi>i guess i'm having a hard time thinking of the UI for how to move a file from one folder to another.
13:58<moegreen>thor_: it's used a lot in MythWeather, each 'page' is a different context
13:59<moegreen>for your stuff it will probably just stay 0 the whole time. I guess you could overload the draw function if you wanted
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13:59<thor_>ah, ok, so we do care .... this is for my MythThemedDialog which is supposed to do all this "behind the scenes".
14:00<thor_>My MythMusic playbackbox inherits from MythThemedDialog, and doesn't want to know how to do any of this
14:03<Lathi>so PIP is software handled and doesn't use the PIP in the TV?
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14:13<thor_>moegreen, I think you did some cutting and pasting in xmlparse so that it never actually checks if the draworder is there (see, for example, parseImage(), you check name.isNull, not order.isNull()) ???
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15:44<WizFactor>Is there a default list of locations that's supposed to come with mythweather? I've got nothing, and every time I have to punch in my zip code
15:46<hfb>Chutt: I'm looking for someone with some experience with the homebrew receivers.
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15:47<hfb>Chutt: As I stated previously, I built a couple and they work great in a P2, but forget My epia m9000.
15:48<faye>hfb: what do you think the chances are of support for the hardware mpeg2 decode in the epia m's working under linux?
15:49<hfb>Right now. No. In the future, I would say yes, but do not quote me on it.
15:50<faye>could use that with the pvr250
15:50<faye>I expect there's more hope of the 350 working first though
15:51* hfbdrools over the pvr250/350
15:51<faye>picture's a bit jittery atm
15:51<hfb>faye: I would like to get one some day. :)
15:52<faye>catch 22, old firmware, stable picture but myth doesn't work... new firmware stable myth but jittery picture
15:52<hfb>faye: But it sounds like there is much activity around the PVR250/350.
15:52<faye>oh yes definitely
15:53<hfb>What about this. Does anyone know of any issues with installing/using a homebrew receiver under Redhat 8.0?
15:54<faye>define homebrew receiver
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15:54<hfb>faye: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html
15:55<faye>oh an *ir* receiver :)
15:55<hfb>faye: Sorry
15:55<faye>there shouldn't be a problem
15:55<faye>just compile lirc, hook your gizmo up and it should run
15:55<faye>(as long as you built it correctly ;)
15:56<faye>I got a serial one with my old Pinnacle card
15:56<hfb>faye: I built two and they work great in a P2. I had one plugged in all day yesterday. Every once and a while I would check to make sure it still worked and it did.
15:57<faye>but you're having problems in your epia?
15:57<hfb>faye: The one I left pluggedin was testedat about 25 feet (just under 8 meters).
15:57<hfb>faye: Yes.
15:57<faye>that's pretty good
15:57<hfb>The P2 has Slackware 8.1 on it and the epia has Redhat on it.
15:57<faye>are you getting the same current through from the epia serial port?
15:57<hfb>faye: Redhat 8.0
15:58<faye>perhaps it can't drive the serial hard enough?
15:58<faye>it is a low power board after all
15:58<hfb>Not sure, but it is on my list of things to test.
15:58<faye>I'd suspect hardware before software I think
15:58<hfb>faye: I did give the ir receiver a littleboot with a 9 volt battery, but that did not seem to help.
15:59<hfb>littleboot = little boost.
15:59<faye>you might try playing with setserial
15:59<faye>don't know if that's relevant
16:00<hfb>I did that too, but I probably need to try that again.
16:00<hfb>Just in case.
16:01<hfb>faye: I probably should mention that I get a long winded error while running mode2.
16:01<hfb>faye: I don't remember the exact error, but I could swear that I also get it while using irrecord.
16:02<hfb>faye: Something about some aspect of the receiver not being supported, but I don't remember.
16:03<faye>hmm, it's not something I've experienced I'm afraid
16:05<hfb>faye: What about this. On my notebook, I get random data being display while using mode2. Ever see this?
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16:09<orangey>hfb: on your homebrew?
16:09<orangey>hfb: could be the receiver you're using.. maybe it's more sensitive to visible or near-visible light.
16:11<WizFactor>Ok, got my mythweather problem solved...but just a note, CVS doesn't have accid.dat.gz, so if you install from CVS you have no location list.
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16:19<TheAsp>allo
16:20<BenB>hi
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16:30<hfb>brb
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16:37<thor_>moegreen?
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17:49<Chutt>hehe
17:49<Chutt>wintv pvr-350 =)
17:49<thor_>someone send you one?
17:50<Chutt>hauppauge
17:50<thor_>cool. Can they send mdz a computer +0
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17:54<Universe> lol
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17:55<thor_>moegreen?
17:57<Chutt>damn
17:57<Chutt>the 350 is quite a bit larger than the 250
17:57<Chutt>won't fix in the mini-itx box
17:57<Chutt>oh well
17:58<thor_>taller?
17:58<Chutt>longer
17:58<Chutt>they're both full-height
17:58<thor_>hrm
17:58<Chutt>well, it'd fit if i took out the dvd-rom
17:59<thor_>tell them to send you a computer because its too big (then send the computer to mdz)
17:59<thor_>heh
17:59<Chutt>heh
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17:59<faye>chutt: with the 250, I get a lot of jitter on the picture with the latest 1.6 firmware, picture was fine in 1.4 firmware but that doesn't work properly (crashes when recording ends).. do you know of any solution?
18:00<Chutt>not really, no
18:00<faye>just got to wait for the ivtv guys?
18:01<faye>do you get the same problem or is it pal specific?
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18:01<Chutt>i don't have any jitter
18:02<faye>which firmware are you using?
18:02<Chutt>it's from pv250_16_21062.exe
18:02<Chutt>from the hauppauge website
18:02<faye>hmm, me too
18:02<Chutt>picture's fine, except for the ghosting at non 720-wide resolutions
18:04<faye>it seems like the timing is slightly wrong because it is sometimes picking up one of the vbi lines
18:05<faye>I'm not sure I'm seeing the ghosting though
18:05<faye>is it very apparent?
18:06<Chutt>not really
18:06<Chutt>faint
18:06<Chutt>to the right of the actual image
18:08<faye>oh yes
18:12<faye>what options are default on mplayer when you call it?
18:12<Chutt>when do i call mplayer?
18:12<faye>sorry, someone gave me that impression
18:13<faye>I'll slap him later
18:14<faye>why does it take so long to start video playing then?
18:14<Chutt>because you have a slow machine, most likely.
18:14<faye>1800xp
18:14<Chutt>starts fast enough here.
18:14<faye>hmm
18:15<faye>would more memory help?
18:16<Chutt>doubtful
18:16<faye>could be the HD I suppose
18:17<Universe>Chutt thinks mplayer is the devil
18:17<Chutt>it's rather insulting that people assume i'm using it
18:18* Universenods
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18:18<faye>well it's the best video player I've seen on linux so far
18:18<thor_>not what it does, how it does it
18:19<faye>poor design?
18:19<Universe>bad programming
18:19<Chutt>i'm fond of pointing out the 3000 line long main() function
18:20<thor_>I thought it was 10,000 ?
18:20<Universe>I was just going to quote you on that, Chutt
18:22<thor_>aggggghhhhhhhhh
18:23<faye>so you've written your own mpeg2 decode?
18:24<thor_>have to be able to decode what you encode. Live TV would be an odd experience without it (although often an improvement)
18:25<faye>heh
18:25<Universe>TV is a curse and Chutt is only making it easier for people to catch the curse.
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18:29<faye>definitely seem to get a sharper picture when capturing 576 lines via cat and playing back via mplayer than in myth for some reason
18:30<faye>could be a bad interaction between ivtv jitter and your deinterlace code though perhaps?
18:31<thor_>now ... how might we test that theory?
18:31<faye>turning of deinterlace in options?
18:31<thor_>I wonder ...
18:31<faye>doesn't seem to make much difference
18:32<faye>is there any other processing done on the picture?
18:32<faye>jitter reduction is turned off too as that introduces grey lines spread throughout the picture
18:33<faye>horizontal lines
18:37<faye>would sending captures to you help fix it?
18:38<Chutt>if changing the firmware changes things, what is there to fix?
18:39<faye>well the jitter reduction can't intend to put lines through the picture?
18:39<Chutt>it can't possibly
18:39<Chutt>all the jitter reduction does is change the timing of the display
18:39<Chutt>if there's lines through it, it's your video hardware at fault
18:39<faye>so it's ivtv
18:41<faye>since the picture doesn't jitter when capturing in (thpt) windows
18:42<faye>I appreciate your patience btw
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18:46<hadeees>what is the best supported video card for tv out under linux?
18:46<thor_>moegreen?
18:47<thor_>a lot of people using nVidia based cards
18:47<thor_>with binary drivers from nVidia website
18:49<poptix_>bleh, SageTV sucks
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18:49<hadeees>i am using the nvidia binary drives but i can't get it to use my entire tv
18:50<hadeees>it just uses a square in the middle
18:50<Chutt>use nvtv.
18:51<hadeees>i tried nvtv but it some how screws up mplayer in full screen
18:51<poptix>hadeees
18:51<poptix>are you using mythtv or mplayer
18:51<poptix>make up your mind
18:51<thor_>here we go again
18:51<poptix>it sounds like you're using mythtv within freevo or something
18:51<hadeees>no just mplayer
18:52<hadeees>with mythtv
18:52<hadeees>link
18:52<poptix>well, that's an unsupported configuration or something..
18:52<poptix>mythtv works, right?
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18:52<hadeees>yeah its either mplayer or nvtv
18:53<poptix>it's obviously not nvtv
18:53<poptix>most likely you need to turn off mode changing in mplayer, and turn off deinterlacing and all that jazz
18:53<poptix>mplayer in full screen mode should be no different than using mythtv, as far as video output is concerned
18:53<poptix>make sure you're using mplayer -vo xv
18:56<Chutt>heh
18:56<Chutt>silly me
18:56<Chutt>assuming that things would actually set the pts values
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19:14<Chutt>why are people on my mailing list so stupid?
19:14<BenB>lol
19:14<BenB>you omean the guy about digital cable?
19:14<Chutt>and his previous message
19:15<Chutt>and edward wildgoose who apparently expects me to give a damn that he can't play back the dvb video
19:15<bigguy>you are a "Shit magnet" to quote a guy I used to work with
19:15<BenB>Chutt: well, as for that, we're not sure, if it's a bug in my code or your code.
19:15<BenB>(or the libs you use)
19:16<Chutt>the video doesn't have _any_ pts markers
19:16<Chutt>how's it supposed to sync?
19:16<Chutt>guess?
19:16<BenB>ah, guessed something like that.
19:16<Chutt>as for the high cpu usage, the dumbass probably has debug mode turned on
19:18<BenB>as for the other people being so stupid, they just have no clue, usually. they're not really stupid. in that particular case (digital video), it would have helped to *which* particular service he subscribes. (or to read back on the list, where he would have seen that you can change the resolution)
19:23<BenB>Chutt: well, Isaac, I could tell you a reason why might care about DVB: It could dramatically increase the userbase and with it the developer base of MythTV, and that means more patches and better code. assuming you are interested in that (why else would you have open-sourced it otherwise?)
19:25<BenB>s/dramatically/significantly/
19:25<Chutt>the file plays back with an average cpu usage of 9%
19:25<Chutt>on my 1800+
19:25<Chutt>i don't care _at all_ what the user base is
19:25<BenB>heh, ok
19:26<Chutt>and realistically, i can do without people sending in halfassed patches that they expect me to accept into the codebase without question
19:26<Chutt>not that you're doing that, but quite a few people do =)
19:26<BenB>Chutt: IIRC, I didn't have a nigh CPU usage either, but I did see the other problems he mentioned (out of sync etc.) when streaming and playing back via mythtv, not when playign back via mplayer. I guessed that some info might be missing in the file, but I had no clue if that's the case or what is missing.
19:27<Chutt>mplayer guesses what the pts should be
19:27<thor_>... hmmm ... I guess I should hold off on that patch that makes all playback use mplayer
19:27<BenB>Chutt: nod (mplayer)
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19:27<Chutt>which is a rather poor hack
19:28<Chutt>basically, the pts says when that frame/audio packet, whatnot, should be shown/heard
19:28<Chutt>if it's missing, all it can do is estimate
19:29<BenB>nod, yes.
19:29<BenB>I guess mpegtools stripp that info or don't insert it or whatever.
19:29<BenB>(the ts -> ps converter I use)
19:31<BenB>the libs can't play MPEG TS directly, I'd otherwise throw that at the nuv file.
19:31<BenB>(the libs that mythtv uses)
19:31<Chutt>you sure it can't?
19:31<BenB>no.
19:31<Chutt>and it's not a .nuv file :p
19:32<BenB>I just tried to write the MPEG TS into the ringbuffer and then play the file using the remote player, and it said something about file not supported or simuilar.
19:32<Chutt>just named like that
19:32<BenB>oh :-9
19:32<Chutt>it's straight mpg
19:32<BenB>ah
19:32<BenB>bad boy ;-P
19:32<BenB>I was already wondering - MPEG PS in another wrapper?
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19:33<itsame>Anyone around running a PVR-250 from CVS
19:34<BenB>well, I have no clue about that video stuff anyways, I just take what the driver gives me and write it out the same way you did in mpegrecorder, additionally adding the ts/ps conversion. "I only work here" ;-P
19:36<BenB>well, I'll leave that for later to figure out.
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19:47<Chutt>benb, i've got some simple changes that try to guess pts values
19:47<Chutt>i assume you have longer clips to test with?
19:47<BenB>Chutt: hey, great! :-) thanks :-)
19:48<BenB>not here, no, only maybe 30 seconds or so, because I get them over the internet from Ed. but ed should have plenty of material.
19:48<Chutt>it's slightly off
19:48<BenB>how long do you want it?
19:48<Chutt>but you guys can tune it
19:48<BenB>great :)
19:48<BenB>(if you were asking for a longer clip)
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19:50<Chutt>i wasn't =)
19:50<BenB>ok.
19:51<BenB>heh, within 15 minutes, you wrote that code. wow. I guess I would have spent half a day jsut to figure out what I have to do at all :)
19:51<Chutt>actually, i just ate dinner
19:51<Chutt>only took a couple minutes
19:51<BenB>well, throw patches at me, if you want :)
19:51<BenB>heh
19:51<Chutt>and it's definitely not synced
19:52<Chutt>naw, i'll just commit it after making sure it doesn't break normal operation
19:52<BenB>fine
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19:55<Chutt>actually, this is pretty close
19:56<Chutt>at least from this tiny clip
19:59<Chutt>you guys'll have to work out the aspect ratio stuff, though
19:59<BenB>ok. thanks for the help anyways.
19:59<Chutt>anyways?
20:00<BenB>lol, well, you know what I meant :)
20:00<BenB>(yeah, it was misplaced)
20:00<Chutt>i may start to merge in some parts of your patch
20:00<Chutt>if i have time tonight
20:01<BenB>o-kay..
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20:07<eLiTeGoodGuy>hello
20:08<BenB>hi elitary good guy
20:08<eLiTeGoodGuy>hows it goin?
20:09<BenB>okay..
20:09<eLiTeGoodGuy>got a couple of quick questions if you think someone could help me out.
20:09<eLiTeGoodGuy>I have a P4 2.66 and a PVR-350 about how much load do you think that will take off the processor for MythTV?
20:10<bigguy>not much at all
20:10<eLiTeGoodGuy>getting ready to throw everything together
20:10<eLiTeGoodGuy>not much?
20:11<bigguy>the 350 does it's encoding on the card itself
20:11<eLiTeGoodGuy>do you think it would be good enough to run Dual tuners and watch at the same time?
20:11<eLiTeGoodGuy>yeah that's what I though then it should be a big help
20:11<poptix>bigguy: the 250 does the encoding on the card itself
20:11<bigguy>I would imagine so
20:11<bigguy>poptix: he has the 350
20:11<bigguy>poptix: :P
20:12<poptix>the 350 just has an output as well
20:12<BenB>eLiTeGoodGuy: a 2.4ghz is almost fast enough to do the encoding and decoding in software (not quite, though, probably)
20:12<Chutt>the 350's too big
20:12<Chutt>a p4 2.66 would be plenty to do two high quality streams in software.
20:12<poptix>BenB: what are you smoking?
20:12<BenB>lol
20:12<BenB>nothing :)
20:12<eLiTeGoodGuy>ohh ok
20:13<eLiTeGoodGuy>aight thanks guys I've gotta get going I'll stop back by if I have problems :)
20:13<BenB>it just seems that my athlon is a bit too thin for 1 stream in high quality.
20:13<poptix>BenB: maybe your P4 just sucks, but I can record + watch live TV at the same time on an Athlon XP 2200 at 720x480
20:13<BenB>athlon 1200
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20:14<BenB>poptix: nod.
20:14<Chutt>benb, that a/v sync fix is in cvs now, if you'd care to give it a try
20:14<BenB>Chutt: yes, just sa the commit msg
20:14<BenB>of course, will do righ tnow
20:17* poptixlooks at his new Athlon 1Ghz frontend
20:24<BenB>duh, seems like I deleted the testfile
20:27<Chutt>there, 350 in in place of the 250, 250 in the mini-itx box
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20:38<itsame>I'm fighting with ivtv right now to get it working with my PVR-250 in slackware
20:39<Chutt>there's an ivtv mailing list
20:39<itsame>yea..I'm just trying to get v4l2 compiled in my kernel
20:39<itsame>and thats being a pain in my bum
20:39<Chutt>...
20:39<gremlins>does Redhat 9.0 use the same unusual character that is needed to be changed in 8.0?
20:39<gremlins>scheme
20:43<itsame>I get this freaking warning every make in ivtv driver:
20:43<itsame>ivtv-driver.c:14:2: warning: #warning ***********************************
20:43<itsame>ivtv-driver.c:15:2: warning: #warning * You will probably need to
20:43<itsame>ivtv-driver.c:16:2: warning: #warning * re-extract your firmware!
20:43<itsame>ivtv-driver.c:17:2: warning: #warning * see the README for more details
20:43<itsame>ivtv-driver.c:18:2: warning: #warning ***********************************
20:44<itsame>i'm reextracted like a billion times
20:44<itsame>i'm = ive
20:45<Chutt>there is an ivtv mailing list
20:45<Chutt>use it.
20:45<itsame>thnx
20:45<itsame>I think I finnaly got it
20:45<itsame>:
20:45<Chutt>this isn't a general tech support channel.
20:45<itsame>_)
20:45<itsame>my bad
20:46<Universe>I hate doing technicial support!
20:46* Universecurses at his current job.
20:46<BenB>Chutt: I previously worked on Mozilla mailnews....
20:46<itsame>haha...ye..I do network support
20:46<itsame>a little better..but still get cursed at
20:46<BenB>the develop newsgroup is called netscape.public.mozilla.mailnews.
20:47<BenB>first we got lots of questions about Netscape 4.x, then when 6 came out, we got increasingly overrun by user supoport questions.
20:47<BenB>when I finally left, I counted 75 messages/day, not a single one ontopic.
20:48<BenB>people had the guts to ask for a spellchecker, although there was a thread *running* about the spellchecker and what they can and can't do.
20:48<BenB>(and it was a faq coming up every week anyways)
20:49<BenB>Chutt: the mythtv lists are still moderate, considering that you're attracting users, even windows users.
20:51<Universe>"When will you be working on a windows client for MythTV?"
20:51<BenB>lol :-)
20:51<itsame>hahaha
20:52<BenB>Universe: "when you pay me for it. my hourly rates are...."
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21:02<thor_>moegreen?
21:03<yebyen>Chutt: how many people work on mythtv? it seems like there are commits every few hours... heh
21:04<poptix>itsame: that's just a warning for if you haven't *already* done it
21:04<yebyen>it's nuts :)
21:04<poptix>itsame: if you have, you can safely ignore it
21:04<thor_>yebyen, I think there are about half a dozen with CVS write access (just a guess)
21:04<poptix>and as Chutt said, there is an ivtv mailing list.
21:05<yebyen>i need to make a "PANTS-FREE ZONE" sign for this party friday
21:05<yebyen>HEH
21:06<gremlins>hey in redhat 9.0 do set LANG="en_US"
21:07<gremlins>because there doesn't seem to be a i18n file
21:11<TheAsp>*sigh*
21:11<TheAsp>bugs suck.
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21:12<TheAsp>im glad that wasnt running tomorow
21:12<yebyen>anyone a good artist?
21:13<thor_>you want nziarek
21:13<yebyen>heh
21:13<thor_>or orangeguy
21:13<yebyen>i need someone to draw me an elephant hanging in a noose
21:14<TheAsp>uh
21:14<yebyen>going to make a t-shirt that says "Hung like an elephant"
21:14<TheAsp>heh
21:14<yebyen>HEH
21:16<poptix>that'll scare the women off
21:18<yebyen>HEHx2
21:19<yebyen>better than "I copulate, therefore I am"
21:28<TheAsp>grr
21:29<TheAsp>fcntl is kicking my ass
21:29<TheAsp>:P
21:30<thor_>according to Woody Allen, cognito ergo sum is best translated as "Hey, there goes Edna with a Tuba"
21:30<yebyen>heh
21:31<yebyen>isn't it cogito?
21:31<thor_>my latin is a wee bit rusty
21:31<yebyen>cognito ergo sum might be... "I'm disguised, therefore I am"
21:36<moegreen>thor_: what's up?
21:37<thor_>couple things
21:37<thor_>first: I think you did some cutting and pasting in xmlparse so that it never actually checks if the draworder is there (see, for example, parseImage(), you check name.isNull, not order.isNull()) ???
21:38<moegreen>ok
21:39<moegreen>yeah, i'm sure i did a lot of copy and pasting for that file
21:39<thor_>I can fix it (easier for me, got a lot of changes in there)
21:40<moegreen>that actually looks like it happens in a couple places
21:40<thor_>yeah, it's all over the place
21:40<thor_>I thought maybe I was understanding something
21:40<thor_>s/was/wasn't/
21:43<thor_>second: what is the fleximage tag for.
21:43<gremlins>anyone install mythtv on redhat 9
21:44<thor_>third: does your font stuff (the fntctl Map's) do wmult/hmult stuff ... or is there thinking on whether this should be done?
21:44<moegreen>thor_: it's there in case an image uses a lot of transparency. If it equals yes then there are two files, a transparent type file and a solid file
21:44<gremlins>i need some help setting up the paths
21:44<thor_>ahhhh .... that makes sense
21:44<moegreen>size = (int)(size * hmult);
21:44<moegreen>fonts do resize
21:44<thor_>ok ... great ....
21:45<thor_>I'll do a commit tonight with those order.isNull changes if you don't have anything pending
21:45<moegreen>no, go ahead - thanks
21:45<thor_>gracias
21:46<moegreen>though that shouldn't actual affect anything, unless a theme doesn't have an order
21:47<thor_>yup
21:48<Timon>Is there any way for a theme to have say an line input widget?
21:49<thor_>do I need to up the version number when I do this (I don't think objects should change size)?
21:49<moegreen>you could have it set a value
21:49<moegreen>thor_: if you're just fixing the order. stuff, no
21:49<Chutt>i'm upping the version in a few minutes
21:49<Chutt>context is changing size
21:49<TheAsp>nooooooo! :P
21:49<thor_>oh crappity, crap crap
21:50<Chutt>need to store the currently selected language in there
21:50<Timon>moegreen: The reason I ask is I'm working on a parental control portion (If a show/recording is past a certain threshold AND pc is checked in setup, then it will require a passwd) and I want that to be themeable as well.
21:50<thor_>Timon, we can always write a new UIType widget to handle input.
21:51<Timon>thor_: Yeah, I thougth about that. I just wanted to check if such a widget already exists.
21:52<Timon>Since it looks like I'm going to have to do that, would the best route be to just re-use the MythLineEdit (Or what ever its called) object?
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21:54<Timon>Ohh, that is a setting object, doesn't do what I thought it did.
21:55<thor_>it's a bit complicated ... you need to write a complete thing from the ground up that knows how to draw itself
21:55<thor_>not a Qt widget inheritor
21:56<Timon>Hmm :(
21:56<thor_>to get it working, just use a regular MythRemoteLineEdit ...
21:56<Timon>Is there enough of a framework within all the myth stuff that I can copy and paste and figure it out?
21:56<Timon>thor_: That works, thats a good idea
21:57<Timon>However, I dont' want all the functionality of RemoteLineEdit
21:57<thor_>or just a simple QT LineEdit
21:57<Timon>I'm thinking numeric only (Remote control), and have masked input
21:57<thor_>we can figure out how to theme-ify later.
21:58<Timon>Ok, I'll use qt LineEdit :-)
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22:00<Chutt>isn't there a zip code enter popup in mythweather?
22:01<Timon>I think so, I'll look there. Thanks Chutt
22:01<moegreen>the zip code popup is just a pixmap that uses the QAccel object to get the keystokes
22:01<poptix>Chutt: did you own an mjpeg card at some point?
22:02<moegreen>though that would be a starting point for your widget
22:02<Chutt>i still have one
22:02<Timon>moegreen: Is it themeable?
22:02<poptix>Chutt: i picked up an un-opened iomega buz for $10 yesterday
22:02<poptix>Chutt: trying to find something useful to do with it.
22:02<thor_>Timon, it's a pixmap, which is easily theme-able
22:03<Timon>thor_: Thanks
22:07<Ober>wow getting blank screen now on latest cvs of ivtv
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22:08<poptix>Ober: ivtv-devel@lists.sf.net
22:10<Ober>helps if I turn on the cable box :D
22:10<Ober>helps if I turn on the cable box :D
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22:17<gremlins>is there any docs anywhere about installing mythtv on redhat 9?
22:17<gremlins>i am finding that the 8 instructions don't work so well
22:20<Chutt>instead of repeating yourself incessantly
22:21<Chutt>ask on the mailing list.
22:21<Chutt>or, if you're _really_ smart, you could check out the mailing list archives
22:21<Ober>or ask here till someone answers :D
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22:24<Timon>Is ben@handcoder here?
22:25<poptix>you know
22:25<poptix>i've had 0 problems setting up mythtv on RH9
22:26<poptix>on 3 different systems =p
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22:30<solarce>Will the video encoding portion of mythtv take advantage a smp system?
22:30<Chutt>do you know of any encoder that does?
22:31<solarce>Chutt: I know didly bout encoders
22:31<Chutt>ah
22:31<Chutt>www.google.com
22:31<Chutt>use it
22:31<Chutt>love it
22:31<solarce>Chutt: I'm just exploring options for software for my new server
22:32<Chutt>explore elsewhere
22:32<solarce>Chutt: a pity, but alas
22:32<solarce>chutt: thanks for the time
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22:32<thor_>there goes another bitter slashdot post
22:33<Chutt>naw, i know the dumbass from another channel :p
22:33<thor_>darn ... I like those bitter slashdot posts
22:33<Chutt>i just changed the binaryversion string :p
22:34<thor_>I guess it would a good time for me to commit on top of that ...
22:34<Chutt>if you're worried about it, sure
22:35<poptix>i'm concerned about excess methane gas produced by large herds of cows.
22:36<Chutt>but if you're not adding or deleting any vars in the classes, should be fine not to
22:36<thor_>I'm adding and deleting, but only stuff I use (unless there's someone really insane out there)
22:36<Chutt>aah
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22:37<dorkiedoo>I'm having troubles with Myth and grabbing channel listings. When I try to schedule a viewing mythfrontend crashes.
22:38<dorkiedoo>Can anyone help?
22:38<Chutt>not unless you provide actual information, no
22:39<Chutt>but probably
22:39<thor_>dorkiedoo, not until you change your Nick
22:39<dorkiedoo>mythfilldatabase appears to have failed
22:39<yebyen>Chutt: that "browbeating" remark the other day wasn't that far off, heh
22:39-!-dorkiedoo is now known as thors_an_ass
22:39<thors_an_ass>better?
22:40<thor_>much, how can I help?
22:40<thors_an_ass>I think I've found the answer
22:40<inman>i should have kept my mouth shut wrt the irc channel.
22:41<Timon>inman: hahah :-)
22:41<thor_>I'm still trying to figure out where that poptix line about global warming came from?
22:41<thor_>thors_an_ass, what happens when you run mythfilldatabase on the command line?
22:46<yebyen>anyone considered that mythtv should keep track of free disk space, and delete old shows to keep from filling it?
22:46<yebyen>or considered and rejected the idea/
22:46<inman>TheAsp is working on an auto-deletion patch.
22:47<yebyen>cool
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22:48<PeteCool>mythmusic CVS isn't compiling for me:
22:48<PeteCool>g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O3 -march=pentium2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -o playbackbox.o playbackbox.cpp
22:48<PeteCool>playbackbox.cpp: In member function `void
22:48<PeteCool> PlaybackBox::jumpToItem(QListViewItem*)':
22:48<PeteCool>playbackbox.cpp:691: no matching function for call to `MythListView::
22:48<PeteCool> ensureItemVCentered(QListViewItem*&)'
22:49<PeteCool>make[1]: *** [playbackbox.o] Error 1
22:49<PeteCool>oh wait
22:49<Chutt>don't have the latest mythtv installed
22:49<PeteCool>exactly
22:49<PeteCool>didn't see before pasting it in, sorry
22:49<Chutt>np =)
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22:59<itsame>anyone around that got a PVR card working..I know this ain't tech support....just wondering if it's normal to have 4 composite inputs and s-video
22:59<itsame>;)
22:59<itsame>I got ivtv loaded and can't find anything in the emails
23:00<Chutt>yup
23:00<Chutt>5 composites, actually
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23:00<itsame>coo
23:00<yebyen>where's this ivtv everyone speaks of...
23:00<itsame>ye..I have 0-4 ..with the tuner in between
23:01<yebyen>google doesn't see it
23:01<itsame>http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html#_jump05
23:01<itsame>I found it on google ;)
23:01<yebyen>doh
23:01<itsame>now I just have to figure out which one of this inputs is the actual s-video in ;)
23:02<yebyen>doh
23:02<yebyen>i think i'll go learn to play... go
23:02<Chutt>should be the first one
23:02<itsame>xawtv don't see anything from any of them
23:02<Chutt>it won't
23:03<itsame>oh...so just choss the s-video 0 in myth
23:03<itsame>and away i go
23:03<thors_an_ass>I'm trying to compile myth from the cvs source. I've installed both the lame and lame-devel rpms but the make fails because it cannot find lame.h, any ideas?
23:03<itsame>I tested my last card in xawtv first
23:04<Chutt>right, but the ivtv driver doesn't do standard analog capture yet
23:04<Chutt>so xawtv can't use it
23:04<itsame>ohhhh
23:05<itsame>yea...after I got all the modules correct
23:05<itsame>and loaded
23:05<moegreen>itsame: you can try using mplayer /dev/videoX
23:05<itsame>the cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
23:05<itsame>works now
23:05<itsame>but I can't read the test.mpg :) ..but better than the input/output error I wuz getting befo :)
23:05<itsame>thnx moegreen
23:06<moegreen>itsame: then use the test_ioctl util in ivtv's source to change the inputs till you get something
23:06<itsame>I'm being bold..and gonna try myth
23:06<itsame>yea...I wuz just playing wit that..../test_ioctl -p 1
23:12<thor_>thors_an_ass: updatedb
23:12<thor_>locate lame.h
23:13<poptix>damn
23:13<poptix>i'm compiling mythtv on knoppix
23:13<thors_an_ass>did that, and it didn't exist so I installed it from source and the myth is compiling
23:13<poptix>it has all the compilation tools (gcc etc) and qt-devel
23:13<poptix>heh.
23:14<Chutt>heh
23:14<Chutt>miniitx box is sitting at 56.3c
23:14<poptix>i've officially stolen my roommates computer
23:14<poptix>due to a bad IDE controller
23:14<Chutt>xp 1800+ is sitting at 52c
23:14<thor_>good, now mail it to mdz
23:16<moegreen>chewing up all available space on your root partition <- anyone have their logs on their root partition?
23:16<bigguy>hmm Chutt are you using the onboard temp monitoring of the nv7133-r?
23:17<Chutt>yup
23:17<itsame>WHOOOOOOOHOW
23:17<bigguy>Chutt: I've found from several sources that alot of the newer abit boards including the nv7133 have subpar temp monitoring
23:18<itsame>I loved Abit boards
23:18<itsame>Untill I blew up two BP6's
23:18<thors_an_ass>sadfkghasdgaSDG
23:18<itsame>and they wouldn't RMA them
23:18<bigguy>Chutt: most people found it to be as much as 15c off
23:18<bigguy>Chutt: thats +15c mind you
23:19<bigguy>from my tests the onboard monitoring on my board is about +8c off
23:20<Chutt>nice
23:20<Chutt>same annoying whine with the 350
23:21<thors_an_ass>ok, I just successfully recompile myth but now when I try to run mythfilldatabase I get:error while loading shared libraries: libmyth-0.9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:21<Chutt>section 4.3 in the docs
23:22<bigguy>to actually do anything with those via m10000 nehamiah(sp)'s you need a more powerful psu which to fit in a smaller space means a much noisier psu fan
23:22<bigguy>erm
23:22<bigguy>or something ;)
23:24<yebyen>heh
23:24<yebyen>my Go strategy is so bizarre that GNU Go is having a hell of a time thinking up a move
23:25<thors_an_ass>ok, now I get an invalid column?1
23:25<Chutt>invalid column?
23:26<thors_an_ass>userid in table Videosource
23:26<Chutt>are you upgrading from a previous install?
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23:31<thors_an_ass>sorta...k
23:32<Chutt>you didn't update your database schema
23:32<Chutt>basically
23:32<thors_an_ass>mysql < mc.sql?
23:32<Chutt>no.
23:32<thors_an_ass>ewww
23:32<Chutt>if you have a previous install, you need to use the upgrade script
23:33<itsame>How do u get rid of the like slow motion when using the Hardware MJPEG
23:33<thors_an_ass>thanks a bunch
23:33<poptix>hey chutt
23:33<itsame>like Horizontal Deciamtion?
23:33<poptix>did you try that patch i made?
23:34<Chutt>naw, i've been busy with other stuff
23:34<Chutt>itsame, you've got a mjpeg card?
23:34<itsame>PVR-250
23:34<poptix>Chutt: it's been working for me in a single tuner system
23:34<Chutt>ok
23:34<Chutt>read carefully.
23:34<Chutt>mjpeg
23:34<Chutt>mpeg
23:34<Chutt>do you not see a difference between the two?
23:34<thors_an_ass>damn, same /usr/bin/tv_grab_na: Failed to read /root/.mythtv/TV.xmltv error as before
23:34<itsame>ye
23:36<itsame>so do I just use the MPEG just like before
23:37<itsame>and it'll use the card for encoding rather software
23:37* poptixsighs
23:37<itsame>haha
23:37<itsame>sorry...I'm a retard
23:37<itsame>I'll shut up and mess wit this for awhile
23:39<thors_an_ass>any idea what /usr/bin/tv_grab_na: /root/.mythtv/TV.xmltv:8: invalid means?
23:39<Chutt>nope
23:39<Chutt>something to do with your xmltv install
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23:42<Timon>In C++, can you do dynamic variables?
23:43<Timon>err dynamic variable names
23:44<FryGuy>Timon: dynamic pre-compiled
23:45<Timon>FryGuy: Argh, hmmm, ok
23:45<moegreen>Timon: what are you trying to do?
23:45<FryGuy>you have to use a hash table
23:45<FryGuy>although tbh, you probably don't even need to do that
23:45<Timon>That would work.
23:45<FryGuy>but like moegreen said, what are you trying to do?
23:46<Timon>Ohh, didn't see moe's comment
23:46<Timon>I'm working on the LineEdit input widget theme gizmo
23:46<Timon>As such, be able to define a dynamic variable name for the results to be returned to
23:47<FryGuy>pass by reference?
23:47<Timon>Hmm, let me think about that.
23:47<Timon>That could work, but its kinda kludgy
23:47<FryGuy>not really
23:47<FryGuy>that's how pass by reference is supposed to work :)
23:47<poptix>thors_an_ass: what does line 8 of /root/.mythtv/TV.xmltv look like?
23:47<Timon>Let me paste the xml and it may make more sense
23:47<moegreen>Timon: If you're using the UITypes stuff, you'd probaby just want a function in your class that will return the contents of the edit box
23:47<thor_>Timon, you know you want data passed back, why does the name of the thing holding the data have to be dynamic
23:48<Timon>thor_: Flexibility
23:48<Timon> <inputarea name="parental_control" align="left">
23:48<Timon> <variable>pc_passcheck</variable>
23:48<Timon> <mask>*</mask>
23:48<Timon> <area>210,210,470,285</area>
23:48<Timon> </inputarea>
23:49<thor_>Timon, make a class with two data members one for the data and one for the "name"
23:49<FryGuy>oh i see
23:49<FryGuy>are they heterogenous data types?
23:49<Timon>strings
23:50<FryGuy>you can have another array like:
23:50<moegreen>Timon: for the UITypes you could just get the inputarea object type, then have a function for that to GetData which will return the value in your inputarea
23:50<thor_>when you parse that xml, add a new instance of that class type to a container (MAP, PtrList, etc.)
23:50<FryGuy>struct stringlookup_t { String name; String *str; }
23:50<FryGuy>and then make a vector out of that
23:50<Timon>overload
23:50<FryGuy>and look the correct pointer up and put copy the string into the correct location
23:51<Timon>Everyone making suggestions all at once :-)
23:51<thor_>listen to moegreen
23:51<FryGuy>i'm just doing a general thing though :)
23:51<FryGuy>it would only allow certain variable names anyways
23:51<FryGuy>you might be better off just listing them like..
23:52<moegreen>Timon: in the sense of the XML stuff, you would have a inputarea for each different input area. Your inputarea's name differentiates it from the others, you don't need another variable
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23:52<FryGuy>if (variable == "pc_passcheck") pc_passcheck=area;
23:52<billytwowilly>hey guys, the grammar nazi is going to strike again;)
23:52<billytwowilly>in the description for mythweather on the webpage it says forcast instead of forecast.
23:53<moegreen>billytwowilly: you've won today's prize for noticing that!
23:53<billytwowilly>hurray!
23:53<FryGuy>anyways, i wanted to ask how exactly i can get mencoder working with the .nuv files
23:53<billytwowilly>what do I get? what do I get?? another kick in the ass?;)
23:53<bline>what's up
23:54<moegreen>billytwowilly: which webpage?
23:54<billytwowilly>http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=3
23:54<FryGuy>i've found a patch for mplayer 9.0rc2/3, but not for mplayer 9.0
23:55<poptix>FryGuy: there is no 9.0
23:55<poptix>unless they finally fixed what they were calling 9.0
23:55<FryGuy>2003.04.06, Sunday :: Finally! MPlayer 0.90 released
23:55<FryGuy>hmm
23:55<poptix>that's what it says
23:56<poptix>try looking at the version string when you run mplayer
23:56<FryGuy>MEncoder 0.90rc5-2.95.4 (C) 2000-2003 Arpad Gereoffy (see DOCS)
23:56<FryGuy>true
23:56<poptix>it's .90rc5 or something
23:56<poptix>yeah
23:56* FryGuysigh
23:56<FryGuy>now i need to find the patch again
23:56<poptix>try the nuv patch