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00:00<bline>Chutt needs a 1800 support number
00:00<Chutt>snowman has my #, i think
00:00<bline>john: Well then you are probably not loading the driver for your card, what card is it?
00:00<Chutt>he sure as hell better not call me for tech support, though
00:00<Chutt>:p
00:00<Snow-Man>haha
00:01<john>it's a bt 878
00:01<Chutt>oh, wait, if you had my number, that'dve been my old cell phone
00:01<john>I was curious about that
00:01<Snow-Man>Should I be running mythfrontend, mythtv, or what
00:01<Snow-Man>?
00:01<bline>That's bttv isn't it?
00:01<john>I installed the kernel module for bt848
00:01<john>yeah
00:01<john>bttv
00:01<bline>Did you load bttv?
00:01<rkulagow__>chutt: i'll add a 1800 number for support once i incorporate and start selling myth boxes. then i'll be rich!
00:01<Chutt>snowman, mythfrontend is the actual user interface bit
00:01<john>and I have it modprobed
00:01<Snow-Man>God damnit, the backend thing keeps dieing.
00:01<bline>but no /dev/video0 on your system?
00:01<Chutt>snowman, mythtv is just a player, it just goes straight to 'watch tv' mode
00:02<john>that's right
00:02<Chutt>snowman, i need more info, ya doink
00:02<john>one sec...
00:02<bline>john: check syslog
00:02<john>I remember seeing some weird stuff when I inserted it
00:02<Snow-Man>Does it log somewhere?
00:02<john>I just reinserted it and I am seeing some weird stuff
00:02<Chutt>well, what's it doing?
00:03* blinedrinks some more rum =)
00:03<john>it says using it's tuner.o, bttv.o: post-install bttv failed, bttv.o: insmod bttv failed, BUT lsmod shows bttv
00:03<Snow-Man>Chutt: I run mythbackend and stuff.
00:03<Snow-Man>Chutt: Then run 'mythtv'
00:03<Chutt>ok..
00:03<Snow-Man>It says
00:03<Snow-Man>connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543
00:03<Snow-Man>and hangs
00:04<Chutt>allright
00:04<Chutt>what's the backend do?
00:04<Snow-Man>After which I check and mythbackend isn't running anymore.
00:04<mdz_>Chutt: so, I've got this debug build on
00:04<bline>john: well you need to check your options, make sure you have the correct tuner and card
00:04<Chutt>mdz, cool.
00:04<Snow-Man>lemme run it by hand or something.
00:04<mdz_>Chutt: and CPU usage is exactly the same
00:04<Chutt>snowman, yeah, run mythbackend in a term
00:04<Snow-Man>ERROR opening file '/data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter.
00:04<Snow-Man>hah.
00:04<Chutt>there we go :p
00:04<Snow-Man>Alright, sec.
00:04<Snow-Man>Chutt: Could you maybe make the backend log to a log file? :)
00:04<john>bline: lspci shows that I have a 00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 (rev 11)
00:05<rkulagow__>mdz: did you have any problems connecting connecting to cvs? just saw some commits, but i'm not having any luck. was able to SSH though...
00:05<bline>john: you can read about this in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/*
00:05<rkulagow__>(confirmed that i'm using the right password)
00:05<Chutt>snowman, i think it does, i don't know if that startup script enables the logging
00:05<john>ok
00:05<Snow-Man>Chutt: Hey, it segfaults too. :)
00:05<mdz_>rkulagow__: no problems
00:05<Snow-Man>ERROR opening file '/data1/sfrost/mythtv/buffers/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter.
00:05<Chutt>heh
00:05<Snow-Man>adding: snowman as a player 0
00:05<Snow-Man>adding: snowman as a remote ringbuffer
00:05<Snow-Man>Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
00:05<Snow-Man>Segmentation fault
00:05<Chutt><death>
00:05<Chutt>yeah
00:05<bline>john: you should read most of that, but look at the README and the Cards list first.
00:06<Chutt>i've made it just exit after the error message, now
00:06<mdz_><long, nasty unrelenting death>
00:06<mdz_>ah, good
00:06<Chutt>since so many people just ignored that
00:06<mdz_>and really no good could come from continuing
00:06<Chutt>exactly
00:06<rkulagow__>alright, then let me check the firewall rules. i figured cvs was busy with the wired story, but maybe it's me then.
00:06<Chutt>rkulagow, it _has_ been busy, but not that busy
00:06<Snow-Man>Damnit, this stuff asks for directories and then doesn't create them. :(
00:06<Chutt>sorry :p
00:07<thor_>rkulagow, I've had no problems with several commits. Sounds like something in the firewall is off
00:07<mdz_>Chutt: so, since experiments continue to show that the CFLAGS-freaks are wrong, how would you feel about changing the default release CFLAGS to be optimized-but-debuggable?
00:07<Snow-Man>Alright, I can watch live TV. yay.
00:07<Chutt>mdz, after 0.9?
00:07<Chutt>snowman, works ok?
00:07<Snow-Man>It even goes fullscreen and looks ugly as sin.
00:07<Chutt>heh
00:07<Snow-Man>Now, sound.
00:07<Chutt>you need to play around with the compression settings
00:07* blineruns away
00:08<Chutt>switch to mpeg4
00:08<Snow-Man>Where's that button? :)
00:08<Chutt>and up the bitrate slightly
00:08<Chutt>tv -> settings -> recording
00:08<Chutt>'default' is for scheduled recordings, 'live tv' is for, well, live tv
00:09<PeteCool>Snow-Man: the gf3 didn't support twinview at all
00:09<mdz_>Chutt: after 0.9, if you want
00:09<Chutt>mdz, ok
00:09<mdz_>Chutt: I think it'd be nice to get decent backtraces on the list
00:09<Chutt>yeah
00:09<mdz_>I might even build the debs with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip
00:09<Chutt>though
00:09<Chutt>that guy with the current problems is using mandrake
00:09<Chutt>i think
00:09<mdz_>it'd be huge, though
00:10<Snow-Man>How do you get out of the UI?
00:10<rkulagow__>turns out it was the firewall.
00:10<Chutt>heh
00:10<Snow-Man>Like, tell the thing to quit.
00:10<Chutt>snowman, go into the general section (i think) and set a shutdown key
00:10<mdz_>yeah
00:10<Chutt>like escape, or alt-escape or whatnot
00:10<mdz_>by default, there is no escape
00:10<bline>NO ESCAPE
00:10<mdz_>Snow-Man seems to be in the mythtv-as-a-desktop-app camp :-P
00:10<Snow-Man>exit and shut down the computer? egads.
00:11<Chutt>well, you don't have to do that
00:11<Snow-Man>mdz_: I'm more in the mood of 'desktop app until told otherwise'
00:11<Chutt>it's meant as a dedicated system :p
00:11<mdz_>Snow-Man: you heard the man
00:11<Snow-Man>yea, yea, Chutt's got lots of funny ideas.
00:11<thor_>anyone working on MythDesktop ?
00:12<Snow-Man>I'm still pissed the Zoran can only output MJPEG shit, that really irks me.
00:12<Chutt>well
00:12<Chutt>you can give it a try :p
00:13<Chutt>i'm just not sure how well it'll work
00:13<Snow-Man>I'm not seeing anything for setting up 'output vidoe adapter' or anything.
00:13<thor_>Chutt, was there anything else on the MMusic TODO ?
00:13<Snow-Man>Does it only dump to X?
00:13<Snow-Man>Chutt: Hell, might as well give it a shot..
00:13<Chutt>thor, what'd you do?
00:13<thor_>everything, I think ... cvs
00:14<thor_>commit
00:14<thor_>or is that a, "what'd you do?" in the sense of, "how did you screw that up?"
00:14<Chutt>no no
00:14<Chutt>i haven't checked email in a while
00:15<Snow-Man>Damnit, I hit the skip button by accident or something.
00:15<Snow-Man>Now I don't think I can do dick..
00:15<Chutt>thor, draw position of the transparent pixmaps?
00:16<Chutt>so they're in the background and not draw every update?
00:16<thor_>I put what can be on the background on the background. Something else?
00:16<Snow-Man>I need to figure out the key combos and shit going on here.
00:16<Chutt>well, is the info background image in the background?
00:16<bline>keys.txt
00:16<Chutt>the playlist background image?
00:16<thor_>info
00:16<Chutt>they weren't before..
00:17<thor_>playlist
00:17<thor_>yes
00:17<Chutt>cool =
00:17<Chutt>er, =)
00:17<bline>someone should do up a man page,,,
00:17<Chutt>someone tried one awhile ago
00:17<thor_>except the showing, which has to get drawn over the fonts
00:17<Chutt>like, 6 or 6 months
00:17<Chutt>7
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00:17<Snow-Man>I'm not finding keys.txt.
00:17<Chutt>but it was pretty much crap
00:18<mdz_>Chutt: what's your take on that scheduler issue posted by craig longman?
00:18<Chutt>i dunno
00:18<mdz_>I think it's a trivial tweak which could go in 0.9
00:18<Chutt>did he give more info?
00:18<Chutt>i don't recall exactly
00:18<bline>Snow-Man: search harder
00:18* Snow-Manblames mdz.
00:18<mdz_>Chutt: he didn't give much info, but I know what he's talking about
00:18<bline>it's in the source directory of the project
00:18<mdz_>Chutt: line 381 in the scheduler
00:18<Chutt>i'm on a windows laptop right now
00:19<bline>s/source/root/
00:19<Snow-Man>Back to the sound issue.
00:19<mdz_>Chutt: prunelist deletes items from the list outright if IsSameProgram says they're the same
00:19<Chutt>snowman, read the sound debugging section in the howto
00:19<mdz_>Chutt: whereas if they are duplicates from oldrecorded, they're just marked with recording = false
00:19<john>bline: The card is listed
00:19<john>almost
00:19<Chutt>mdz, ah
00:19<Chutt>so, it should just mark one as not recording instead?
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00:20<mdz_>Chutt: confuses the hell out of people, including me a few times
00:20<mdz_>that's what I'm thinking
00:20<john>it's a Leadtech winFast 2000 XP and it has the Leadtech winFast 2000 as card=34
00:20<Snow-Man>Chutt: I think I just need to get a mixer up.
00:20<bline>john: make sure you specify it in the options like the readme says
00:20<john>ok
00:20<bline>catd=number
00:20<Chutt>go for it =)
00:20<bline>and tuner=number
00:20<Snow-Man>Good god kmix is taking a long ass time to start.
00:20* blinedoesn't even have a bttv card anymore
00:20<Chutt>mdz, want to make that change?
00:21<bline>john: depending on your distribution it will be in /etc/modules.conf
00:21<mdz_>Chutt: just posted a patch to the list if you want to look at it first
00:21<john>ahh
00:22<bline>in my distribution it goes in something like /etc/modules.d/bttv
00:22<Snow-Man>Alright, sound just ain't workin it too well.
00:22<john>well I found the entry in modules.conf
00:22<bline>john: the syntax will be in one of the bttv readmes
00:22<mdz_>Snow-Man: duplex problems? or just in general?
00:22<Snow-Man>The sync is way off. I'm guessing that's probably because mythtv wants to be intercepting the sound and playing it itself.
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00:23<Chutt>yup
00:23<mdz_>Snow-Man: heh, that's like FAQ entry #1
00:23<Snow-Man>And I think line in is getting routed directly to the speakers atm.
00:23<Snow-Man>yea, yea.
00:23<mdz_>sorry, #4
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00:23<Snow-Man>not bitching, I figured that was the issue.
00:23<Chutt>snowman, you're extremely smart, absolutely no one catches that =)
00:23<Chutt>(not being sarcastic)
00:23<mdz_>it's true
00:23<Snow-Man>Chutt: Really? It seems pretty obvious to me... <Shrug>
00:24<Chutt>they're all like 'why the hell is my sound off?'
00:24<mdz_>usually it goes more like "wtf this suxxxx tah snoud no work or s/th"
00:24<john>I am still a little confused
00:24<bline>john: why?
00:25<john>well I read that I compiled it as a module so that I could insert it with extra parameters like CARD=34
00:25<mdz_>Chutt: hmm, I'm not sure how this change will affect viewscheduled
00:25<john>and I found stuff relating to bttv in my modules.conf
00:25<mdz_>what does it do with things which are not recording, and yet not conflicting?
00:25<Chutt>it won't know, will it?
00:25<Chutt>hmm
00:25<john>but I can't find where I am supposed to set these extra parameters
00:25<Chutt>snowman, there's a section in the howto about all that, if it helps
00:26<mdz_>I think it assumes that it is disabled due to a conflict
00:26<mdz_>yeah, looks like it will bring up the "Recording this program has been deactivated..." dialog
00:26<mdz_>so I'm not going to commit that just yet
00:26<bline>john: options bttv card=10 tuner=2
00:26<john>alias char-major-81 bttv
00:26<bline>john: is what I had when I used bttv
00:26<Snow-Man>Chutt: Already there, thanks.
00:26<john>is it that line?
00:26<Snow-Man>Chutt: And there isn't any 'ok' button in kmix atm. :)
00:26<bline>yeah
00:27<Chutt>snowman, sound's the number 1 issue
00:27<Chutt>snowman, alsa?
00:27<Chutt>alsamixer's easier
00:27<bline>john: after you set that, rmmod bttv; modprobe bttv
00:28<Snow-Man>Chutt: I was just saying the docs are wrong. muting line-in appears to have fixed it.
00:28<Snow-Man>And setting it as the source.
00:28<Snow-Man>Or muting is off, whatever. :)
00:29<Chutt>it's all dependent on your specific hardware
00:29<Snow-Man>That seems odd though.
00:29<Snow-Man>hmmm.
00:29<Snow-Man>Well, it's a Live!
00:29<Snow-Man>No, line-in *is* muted now.
00:29<john>bline: I guess where I am confused is how I pass the arguement
00:30<john>I can't find it in the docs
00:30<Snow-Man>And selected as the input source...
00:30<Snow-Man>The docs are confusing. :)
00:30<Snow-Man>The green one at the top is for muting; you want to make sure that the green LED is a dark green, meaning that it's "off".
00:30<bline>john: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Modules.conf
00:30<Snow-Man>I guess what you're trying to say is that the *source* is off, not that *muting* is off.
00:30<john>ahh thanks
00:30<Snow-Man>And in fact *muting* is on. :)
00:31<Snow-Man>I need to figure out these damn key combos.
00:31<Snow-Man>272617 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2608 Jan 14 10:46 /usr/share/doc/openssl/doc/HOWTO/keys.txt
00:31<Chutt>check my viewcvs stuff
00:31<Snow-Man> 32497 124 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119189 Feb 17 06:35 /usr/share/perl/5.8.0/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt
00:31<Chutt>or that
00:31<Snow-Man>7258319 124 -r--r--r-- 1 sfrost sfrost 119189 Jun 1 2002 /data1/sfrost/debs/perl/perl-5.8.0/lib/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt
00:31<Chutt>err, nm =)
00:31<Snow-Man>6373768 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2608 Jan 14 10:46 /data1/share/doc/openssl/doc/HOWTO/keys.txt
00:31<Snow-Man>8257949 124 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119189 Feb 17 06:35 /data1/share/perl/5.8.0/Unicode/Collate/keys.txt
00:31<Snow-Man>wtf, those are all the keys.txt files I've got.
00:31* Snow-Maneyes mdz.
00:31<Snow-Man>I don't think any of those apply.
00:31* Snow-Manheads to viewcvs.
00:31<bline>look in CVS
00:32<Snow-Man>Can you make the player non-fullscreen?
00:32<Chutt>hit f
00:32<Snow-Man>There we go.
00:32<bline>keys.txt!
00:33<Snow-Man>I suppose I should have read the key combos before asking but I figured it'd be more than that. :)
00:33<bline>heh
00:33<john>ok so I have specified the card
00:33<john>and reloaded it
00:33<john>but I still don't have a /dev/video
00:34<john>the module loaded ok before
00:34<bline>no /dev/video0?
00:34<john>nope :(
00:34<Snow-Man>Well, I have to admit that the sound doesn't stop *right* when I hit 'p', but it ain't bad. :)
00:34<bline>you look in /var/log/syslog?
00:34<Chutt>it does stop, though, right?
00:34<Chutt>try turning on 'aggressive sound buffering' in the playback settings
00:34<Chutt>it helps sometimes, sometimes it hurts =)
00:35<bline>most kernel drivers report errors therr
00:35<Snow-Man>Chutt: Yeah, it stops, it's just like a halfsecond later.
00:35<bline>s/r$/e/
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00:35<Snow-Man>Maybe a full second.
00:35<Chutt>yeah, try that playback option
00:35<Chutt>the sb live cards have large buffers
00:36<Snow-Man>mkay.
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00:36<john>it looks good
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00:36<john>it's detecting all kinds of stuff
00:36<john>ok get this!:Jun 4 21:35:36 tv kernel: bttv0: registered device video0
00:36<bline>well obviously not if you have no /dev/video*
00:37<Snow-Man>Damnit, what's with the screen blip between hitting esc and the stupid 'are you sure' question?
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00:37<Chutt>exiting?
00:37<Chutt>it's a different window :p
00:37<bline>In other words, if nothing is in syslog about it I have no idea.
00:37<john>bline: :P
00:37<Snow-Man>f don't make the frontend go into a window. :(
00:37<Chutt>nope
00:38<Snow-Man>strange error flushing buffer ...
00:38<Chutt>you can make the frontend smaller, though
00:38<Chutt>not fullscreen
00:38<Chutt>in the appearance section
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00:38<bline>john: and bttv shows up in lsmod?
00:38<Chutt>'strange error flushing buffer' is just the lame lib complaining about junk
00:38<Snow-Man>Damnit, shit be busted now.
00:38<Chutt>heh
00:38<Chutt>with what?
00:39<Snow-Man>mythbackend seemed to think I was still watching TV.
00:39<Chutt>ah
00:39<Chutt>how'd you kill it?
00:39<john>bline: it sure does
00:39<john>I changed insmod tuner to modprobe tuner in my modules.conf
00:39<john>and one of the errors went away
00:40<Snow-Man>I was using the frontend and hit play tv and then hit esc a few times on the frontend and it appeared to exit (though didn't ask me the stupid question) and the mythtv window kept going for a sec then I hit 'x' on it.
00:40<bline>john: and the card is set to the correct one?
00:40<john>I think it was a redundancy error though
00:40<john>yeah
00:40<john>I'll double check ;)
00:40<Chutt>snowman, just kill it off
00:40<Snow-Man>Chutt: I restarted the backend already and just ran mythtv and things are working.
00:40<Chutt>snowman, it'd probably be best to upgrade to CVS sometime, lotsa bug fixes
00:40<Snow-Man>yea, I'll plan to do that.
00:41<Chutt>but it's workin ok?
00:41<Chutt>not _too_ bad to install? =)
00:41<Snow-Man>Oh, I suppose not. :)
00:41<Snow-Man>At least if I can get everything I want to work. :)
00:42<Snow-Man>I'm gonna cry tommorow when I go output card hunting tho.
00:42<Snow-Man>Chutt: Got a suggestion as to what I should get, and you never answered my question...
00:42<Chutt>what question?
00:42<Chutt>i have a gf4-ti4200
00:42<Chutt>works ok
00:42<Snow-Man>Chutt: How can I try using the zoran for output?
00:42<Chutt>but i don't use it for both displays
00:42<Chutt>oh, i have absolutely no idea on that
00:42<Snow-Man>Didn't see any config options for that. :/
00:42<Snow-Man>haha.
00:43<Snow-Man>Chutt: So mythtv basically just displays to X?
00:43<Chutt>it needs to use X
00:43<Chutt>well, it compiles with the qt/embedded stuff
00:43<john>bline: I just did a tail -f /var/log/syslog and removed bttv and then added it back and everything it spit out looked good
00:43<Chutt>but that still needs a framebuffer device to talk to
00:43<Snow-Man>The sound is better now.
00:43* blinewants a gl2 driver =)
00:43<Chutt>with the aggressive buffering turned on?
00:43<Snow-Man>yea.
00:43<Chutt>cool.
00:43<Chutt>it's just that that can cause really crappy sound output on some cards
00:43<john>it even says registered device video0 vbi0 and radio0
00:43<Snow-Man>Hrm.
00:44<Chutt>hate dealing with wildly differing hardware
00:44<Snow-Man>I turned on close caption support but didn't see nothing (I had it paused).. Is it out of sync with the fed?
00:44<bline>john: just one more time; ls -l /dev/video0; show's nothing?
00:44<Snow-Man>+e
00:44<Chutt>it's in sync with the feed
00:44<john>yeah no such file or dir
00:44<Chutt>but it needs a little bit to catch up
00:44<Chutt>sometimes
00:44<Chutt>and
00:44<john>the only dir with a v even in my /dev is vcs
00:44<Chutt>that's bugging in 0.8
00:44<Snow-Man>haha, sucky. :)
00:44<Chutt>buggy
00:45<bline>john: is this using devfs?
00:45<john>ext3
00:45<john>err
00:45<john>sorry
00:45<john>I don't follow
00:45<Chutt>snowman, you do have it set to ntsc cc in the setup program, right?
00:45<bline>devfs is something that dynamiczally creates dev entries
00:46<Chutt>it should at least turn on, but i'm pretty sure it can crash it =)
00:46<Snow-Man>yea, I think so.
00:46<bline>ps aux | grep devfs
00:46<Snow-Man>bleh, man, the delay on channel changes sucks my ass.
00:46<Chutt>heh
00:46<john>yeah it's going
00:46<Chutt>it has to do a lot :p
00:46<bline>hrm..
00:47<Snow-Man>I'm sure it does. What's the main time consumer in that?
00:47<Snow-Man>I'd expect the card to be alot of the issue.
00:47<Chutt>the card is, the recorder is basically restarting as well
00:47<Chutt>but that has to wait for the card
00:48<bline>john: maybe someone else can help, I really have no idea. Sorry.
00:48<Chutt>then it has to wait a little for the recorder to record a little bit of data to start playing again
00:48<john>thanks for helping bline
00:48* blineis useless
00:48<john>no, I am probably missing something
00:48<john>I don't get why it says: registering device video0
00:49<john>but I don't see a /dev/video0
00:49<Snow-Man>A gf2 would probably be fine for tv out, right? It's not like the gf4 did anything better on the tv out stuff, did it?
00:49<john>I'll see what people in #debian say
00:49<bline>I don't get why you do not see /dev/video0
00:49<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, got the wrong channel listing, that's annoying.
00:49<Chutt>a gf2 is fine, yeah
00:50<Chutt>john, did you ever create the device names in /dev/?
00:50<bline>Chutt: he's using devfs
00:51* Snow-Manpauses for a while for fun.
00:51<Chutt>ah
00:51<Chutt>thor, i _just_ got that commit message from an hour ago, sorry for questioning you =)
00:51* Snow-Manhides.
00:51<Snow-Man>I don't have the mythtv backend running on relay! Honest!
00:51<Chutt>heh
00:51<Chutt>you couldn't be
00:52<thor_>Chutt, np ... I *think* that's everything that anyone brought up
00:52<Snow-Man>Seriously. The shit would fall over and die.
00:52<Snow-Man>Man, gonna have to take my box down again tommorow. Bleh.
00:54<Snow-Man>How long are commercial breaks, normally?
00:54<Chutt>depends
00:54<Snow-Man>More than 3 minutes?
00:54<Chutt>sometimes
00:55* Snow-Manis trying out this commercial skip thing.
00:55<Chutt>sometimes not
00:55<Chutt>it works better in recorded programs
00:55<Snow-Man>oh, sucky.
00:55<Chutt>at least in my experience
00:55<Snow-Man>Any clue why?
00:55<Chutt>it's not doing as much on the fly
00:56<Chutt>better in cvs
00:56<Snow-Man>huh, well, it seemed to work.
00:56<Snow-Man>yea, yea, cvs is 'da best, I hear you. :)
00:56<Chutt>actually, the commercial skip stuff is much better in cvs
00:56* Snow-Manwonders what that red R was.
00:59<Snow-Man>You know, a channel scan thing would be kinda neat.
01:00<thor_>Snow-Man, once you have that implemented, I'd also like a Picture-by-Picture mode =)
01:00<Snow-Man>thor_: *smirk.
01:02<Chutt>thing is, with guide data, shouldn't have to do a channel scan =)
01:02<john>hey I think I got it working
01:02<john>but I accidentally added it twice
01:02<bline>what was it?
01:02<john>how do I remove one?
01:02<bline>rmmod?
01:02<john>I just did a ./MAKEDEV video
01:03<john>no the capture cards
01:03<john>in the list
01:03<bline>but you shouldn't need to with devfs...
01:03<Chutt>run setup
01:03<Chutt>say yes to the first question
01:04<PeteCool>Chutt: is "cvs -z3 diff -ud > file" alright for a translation patch?
01:04<Chutt>yup
01:04<Chutt>then include the new files
01:04<PeteCool>l
01:04<PeteCool>k
01:05<john>ok now for my next challenge what's the video source name?
01:05<bline>you need to set one up
01:05<Chutt>john, read the docs
01:05<Chutt>it goes through setting up the backend
01:05<john>oh yeah
01:05<Chutt>step by step
01:05<john>I got off track with that last step :P
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01:17<techniq>i'm having some compile problems, can someone give me a little help?
01:17<john>this is exciting
01:17<thor_>you can ask, worse thing that can happen is you'll be ignored =)
01:18<techniq>alright ;)
01:18<john>do you guys remember the first time you ran this program?
01:18<thor_>it's been a while
01:18<bline>yeah, it worked quite well
01:18<john>right now it's populating the database
01:19<techniq>common.h: In function `msmpeg4_pred_dc':
01:19<techniq>msmpeg4.c:723: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm'
01:19<techniq>msmpeg4.c:723: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm'
01:19<techniq>make[2]: *** [msmpeg4.o] Error 1
01:19<techniq>make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.8/libs/libavcodec'
01:19<techniq>make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Error 2
01:19<techniq>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/techniq/Documents/TARs/mythtv-0.8/libs'
01:19<techniq>make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2
01:19<Chutt>lemme guess
01:19<techniq>i get these lines at the bottom of make (doesn't get to ran into it
01:19<Chutt>you're using suse
01:19<techniq>)
01:19<techniq>yup
01:19<thor_>assembler?
01:19<Chutt>bitch at them for distributing a broken qt
01:19<techniq>heh
01:19<Chutt>go into libs/libavcodec/
01:19<techniq>any workaround?
01:19<Chutt>edit the Makefile
01:19<techniq>k
01:20<Chutt>remove all the -fPIC bits
01:20<techniq>k
01:21<techniq>what's that cflag do?
01:21<Chutt>turns on stuff for shared libraries
01:21<Chutt>it's not building a shared library, though
01:21<techniq>i c
01:21<Chutt>suse modified qt somehow, and broke it
01:22<Chutt>well, 'qmake'
01:22<Chutt>which is the bit of qt that's generating the makefiles
01:22<techniq>i c, i had a cvs source compile, i guess i could have pointed my qtdir to it and fix it?
01:22<Chutt>yeah
01:22<Chutt>but it's really not a good idea to compile your own
01:22<techniq>why so?
01:22<Chutt>people tend to mess it up
01:23<techniq>heh.. ic
01:23<thor_>techniq, as long as you do the initial ./configure after clearly reading "./configure --help" and you set your QTDIR stuff properly, it's not rocket science
01:23<techniq>yeah, i've read into all that
01:24<techniq>i haven't fubar'd anything so far running kde cvs some, which i guess means i'm doing something right
01:26<Chutt>yeah
01:26<techniq>what capture card do you run?
01:28<Chutt>me?
01:28<techniq>yeah, or anyone
01:28<Chutt>i've got a pvr-250, a pvr-350, and a wintv-radio
01:28<techniq>cool
01:28<Chutt>and a ati tv wonder ve that i don't use anymore
01:29<techniq>i bought the wonder ve, but it sucked, so i got a wintv with fm radio
01:29<Chutt>yup
01:29<Chutt>that's exactly what i did a year or so ago =)
01:29<techniq>;)
01:29<techniq>do you use mythtv as your main tv watching app?
01:29<thor_>Chutt, did Hauppauge ever cough up any freebies for you?
01:29<Chutt>well, yes
01:30<Chutt>thor, the -350 is theirs
01:30<Chutt>i can honestly say i've never used another tv watching app :p
01:30<thor_>did they say anything like, "if you could make mpeg out under linux work, we might buy you a free lunch"
01:30<Chutt>nope
01:30<bline>I would hope so
01:30<techniq>hehe
01:30<thor_>techniq, Chutt == Isaac
01:31<techniq>thor_: ok
01:31* techniqlooks more at webpage.. sees why you pointed that out
01:32<thor_>techniq, Isaac be big Poo Baa
01:32<techniq>lol
01:32* blinesenses a new nick for Chutt
01:33<techniq>this is a longer compile than i was expected
01:33<techniq>i'm antsie to check it out
01:34<thor_>longer than a kernel !
01:34<techniq>lol.. crap
01:34<Chutt>g++ sucks.
01:34<bline>c++ is slow to compile!
01:34<techniq>guess its time for a bowl of cereal while i wait
01:34<thor_>hmmm .... must be polymorphism
01:34<techniq>woohoo, its done
01:34<thor_>so I've got video tree browsing working
01:35<Chutt>cool
01:35<thor_>sort of
01:35<thor_>easy to write themed dialogues now
01:35<thor_>inherit, wire them up
01:37<PeteCool>Chutt: think you'll be able to catch the varying color cells in the epg before 0.9 ?
01:37<Chutt>maybe
01:40<thor_>oh crap, no mplayer
01:42<bline>aww damn, my crash made me miss recording enterprise
01:42* blinefumes
01:42<thor_>bline, Myth-2-Myth
01:43<thor_>=)
01:43<Chutt>wasn't it a repeat tonight anyway?
01:43<thor_>Seasons over
01:43<thor_>(I think)
01:43<bline>dunno, but I didn't see the whole season anyway
01:43<bline>one of the main reasons I got myth
01:44<bline>because of an eratic work schedule
01:52<thor_>Chutt, if you get a chance to run mythmusic, I think you'll find it drastically improved. If I get the video list sorted in the next hours, is there anything else pending for 0.9 you can think of?
01:53<thor_>that I would be useful for, that is?
01:53<Chutt>nope
01:53<Chutt>not much left at all
01:53<Chutt>the settings stuff
01:53<Chutt>but that's easy
01:53<thor_>settings all in one place, that stuff?
01:54<Chutt>unless, you want to do that? make mythmusic respond to 'mythmusic --config'
01:54<Chutt>have it just pop up the settings, exit completely when exiting that part
01:54<thor_>if I get this finished in short order, I'll have a look
01:54<Chutt>ok
01:54<Chutt>i'll get to it
01:54<Chutt>just busy :(
01:54<thor_>it happens
01:54<thor_>=)
01:55<john>man... I have so many issues.
01:56<john>bline: after I did that MAKEDEV thing, I think I dug myself a hole
01:56<bline>john: well, I didn't think it would work, devfs dynamically creates the dev entries
01:57<john>can I undo the makedev somehow?
01:57<bline>john: you can rm them, but I don't see how it will help if devfs doesn't create them when the driver is loaded.
01:58<john>well
01:58<thor_>not to be negative, but there's a reason devfs is labelled experimental in the stable kernel tree
01:58<john>I can try to get devfs working
01:58<bline>thor_: I've never had a problem with it.
01:59<john>I probably missed it when I compiled the kernel :P
01:59<john>that would explain a lot :P
01:59<john>I'll check it ou
01:59<bline>Lots of distributions have switched to devfs
01:59<bline>john: didn't you say devfsd is running?
02:00<thor_>bline, it is a more logical system, but it's (relatively) new. Seems to do weird things with some USB devices, for example.
02:00<john>yeah
02:00<bline>thor_: I mus admit, I've never use any USB stuff with it but several people at work use a usb mouse.
02:01<bline>s/mus/must/
02:01<john>omg!
02:01<john>I am such a retard
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02:01<bline>what?
02:01<john>bah haha
02:01<john>root 504 0.0 0.3 1336 428 pts/2 R 16:01 0:00 grep devfs
02:01<john>see it's running
02:01* johnsmacks himself
02:02<thor_>grep devfs | grep -v grep hehe
02:02<bline>Ok, so maybe your distribution isn't using devfs, you should stick with the MAKEDEV to make the dev entries
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02:03<bline>Don't force it if it isn't. It probably will not work.
02:03<bline>Just make the dev entries like Chutt said.
02:03<john>but how will I know when it makes the entries?
02:03<bline>You make the entries. There should be instructions in the bttv docs for making them.
02:04<thor_>there's a makedev in bttv documentation in the actual kernel tree (if you're using that code)
02:05* blinereally likes devfs for this reason
02:09<john>by the way, where is the devfs in the kernel?
02:10<kc8apf>it's in filesystems
02:21<techniq>i saw where you need to enable the capture audio channel for the proper sync'd audio, but i don't see it (looking in kmix right now)
02:21<techniq>can someone point me in the right direction
02:21<thor_>techniq, what kind of capture card and how is it wired to sound?
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02:22<techniq>its a wintv, and right now i think i have it going through th eline in
02:22<techniq>is it supposed to be in the mic jack or something?
02:22<thor_>line in is fine
02:22<techniq>k
02:23<thor_>in the mixer, set line is as recording source, and then mute line in. What kind of soundcard?
02:23<techniq>k
02:23<techniq>sblive
02:23<thor_>does it have iGain oGain ?
02:23<techniq>igain
02:24<thor_>might have to fiddle with that, main thing is setting recording source to the right place and then muting it
02:24<techniq>i c
02:24<techniq>should i have the igain somewhere above 0% i presume
02:24<thor_>probably
02:24<techniq>k
02:24<kc8apf>is there any advantage to using line in over btaudio?
02:24<techniq>i'll mess with it, thanks
02:25<thor_>btaudio is better in most cases
02:25<bline>btaudio doesn't work on my card
02:25<bline>there is one reason
02:25<thor_>but not all cases =)
02:26<kc8apf>well, btaudio works in my case and I don't even have a line in, so....
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02:26<bline>if btaudio works, use it.
02:26<kc8apf>has anyone tried myth on a mac with linux?
02:27<thor_>seem to recall a PPC thread a few months back
02:33<john>ok so assuming I don't have devfs... I did MAKEDEV to make the video devices
02:34<john>and I load the module and I it supposedly adds the video0 stuff etc
02:34<john>how can I see if it's working
02:34<thor_>lsmod shows bttv
02:34<thor_>?
02:34<john>it does yes
02:34<thor_>you have xawtv?
02:35<john>no should I get that?
02:35<thor_>it's easier than futzing with myth while your getting the hardware working
02:35<john>ok thansk
02:36* blinehugs his pvr250
02:40<john>woah
02:40<john>I see tv
02:40<john>but it's black and white
02:40<thor_>tv good
02:40<thor_>xawtv ?
02:40<john>yeah
02:40<bigguy>probably wrong tuner type
02:40<john>I didn't know what the tuner should have been
02:40<thor_>or frequency fine tuning, yup
02:42<bigguy>anyway off to bed I go
02:42<kc8apf>or xawtv defaulted to PAL like mine did
02:43<john>I didn't use PAL
02:43<kc8apf>whenever i started xawtv it defaulted to PAL
02:43<john>err I didn't use defaults
02:43<kc8apf>oh
02:44<john>I had it make a config
02:44<john>ok so /dev/video0 must be working
02:44<thor_>yup
02:48<kc8apf>well, it looks like big-endianess has been worked out, so it should work on PPC
02:48<kc8apf>cool, now I can get to finishing my G4
02:48<john>hey, ok so how do I find out what tuner to use? I am using a leadtech winFast 2000 and I didn't see anything usefull in the docs
02:49<kc8apf>look at the card
02:49<kc8apf>one of the chips should have either Brooktree or Connexant written on it
02:50<bline>john: where do you live?
02:50<bline>it's probably the xawtv default of PAL
02:51<john>how do you change it?
02:51<bline>right click
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02:52<john>I live in northern california
02:53<john>weird. it seems broken now
02:53<john>all static like
02:53<bline>NTSC is what you want
02:53<john>I know
02:53<thor_>john, some times you have to set things, then quit and restart. xawtv is a bit quirky
02:53<john>it is and was ntsc
02:53<kc8apf>specifically NTSC-M
02:53<kc8apf>odd
02:54<bline>I had to change the channel a bit after I set NTSC in xawtv
02:54<bline>to see any channels
02:54<thor_>yeah, that happens a lot
02:54<john>lol
02:54<john>tv/vcr :)
02:54<kc8apf>heh
02:54<kc8apf>john: where at in Calif.?
02:56<john>chico
02:57<kc8apf>what's that near?
02:57<john>redding
02:58<john>it's north of sac
02:59<kc8apf>ah, ok. I'm on co-op in Cupertino
02:59<kc8apf>I'm still trying to figure out where everything is out here
03:11<john>there was a big ole sticker over the tuner
03:11<john>and when I pealed it off I found the type of tuner it was :P
03:11<john>so THAT's what all that philips stuff was :P
03:12<bline>same thing happened to me, lame ass sticker
03:19<kc8apf>oh, duh, you were asking about tuner, not decoder
03:26<john>the docs about the tuners are hard to figure out
03:28<bline>bed time
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03:36<john>HIP HIP hooray!
03:40<john>ahhhhhhh
03:40<john>so nice
03:42<kc8apf>works?
03:42<john>yep
03:43<kc8apf>nice
03:47<john>very
03:47<john>we still have stuff to get working
03:48<john>like we're not using alsa and stuff
03:48<john>and we need to get the remote working
03:48<kc8apf>remote is fairly easy
03:50<john>when I am at the main menu, and there is that tv button
03:50<john>how do we close the program?
03:52<kc8apf>hit escape one more time
03:52<john>it doesn't close
03:52<kc8apf>it should open anoother menu
03:53<john>no matter how many times we hit escape :P
03:53<kc8apf>asking you if you want to close
03:53<thor_>in settings, you set what key(s) to use to close the frontend
03:53<john>when the one button is "TV" and we want to close it, and we hit escape nothing happens
03:53<kc8apf>oh yeah, that's right
03:54<john>ahh cool
03:54<kc8apf>i just set mine to escape so I could use the same button on my remote
03:58<john>one thing that sucks is that it's kinda chunky
03:58<john>doing the whole encode decode thing
03:59<thor_>you can tune the encoders/bitrates to your liking
03:59<thor_>trade off resolution/bitrate against CPU and drive space
03:59<john>I am willing to sacrafice drivespace
03:59<john>first
04:00<thor_>you can always do RTJPEG at 640x480 with highest bitrate
04:00<thor_>that's pretty much equivalent to live
04:00<thor_>but will fill up drivespace quickly
04:01<thor_>... assuming your CPU can keep up
04:01<john>there is no bitrate for rtjpeg
04:01<john>but ther eis a quality
04:01<john>that's the problem
04:01<thor_>same diff
04:01<john>we have a 1gz athlon
04:01<john>hehehe
04:01<john>I forgot the ram
04:02<john>we found out that we had bad ram earlier and for a test we put in one piece (128) megs
04:02<john>and I forgot to put in more
04:02<john>:)
04:03<thor_>anyway .... good luck with it ... time for bed
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09:45<bma>moo
09:46<Snow-Man>Any of you folks know of DC-area places to buy cheap video cards that have tv out? :)
09:47<choenig> 0.
09:47<choenig>.
09:47<choenig>-.
09:48<bma>Snow-Man: microcenter? :)
09:48<choenig>oh, sorry :)
09:48<Snow-Man>bma: I wish.
09:48<bma>Snow-Man: they have the 'junk/returned' bin...
09:48<bma>usually lots of video-related stuff in it
09:48<Snow-Man>bma: Yeah, I was thinking I might check that.
09:49<bma>Snow-Man: there's also a place by us .. L&Y electronics, in woodbridge. they have tons of stuff, dunno if they'd have what you want
09:49<bma>it's more of a used computer shop
09:49<bma>but I got a 3c905b for like $15 there
09:49<Snow-Man>bma: Mainly just looking for a like GF2 w/ TVout PCI
09:49<bma>Snow-Man: ebay?
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09:50<Snow-Man>bma: I was hopeing for something local/quick.
09:50<Snow-Man>I can get one for <$30 off pricewatch.
09:51<bma>Snow-Man: there's also a computer shop out here that might have them, but I'm not sure
09:51<bma>dunno if they'd have older stuff, tho
09:51<Snow-Man>It's actually not all that old.
09:52<Snow-Man>yp.yahoo.com gives me lots of 'computer stores', I dunno if they're the kind of places I want tho.
09:52<bma>ya
09:53<bma>Snow-Man: if you want you could come out here and do lunch and I could show you the place. :)
09:53<Snow-Man>bma: hrmmm.
09:53<Snow-Man>Might do that.
09:53<bma>it's a lot like k-tek, where you got that touchscreen monitor
09:53<bma>if that helps
09:53<Snow-Man>That might be good enough.
09:56<mdz>Snow-Man: I picked up a GF2 AGP w/TVout at a local computer store for ~$30
09:56<mdz>Snow-Man: an MSI card
09:56<Snow-Man>mdz: That's basically exactly what I want.
09:56<Snow-Man>Having trouble finding a place that's got one tho.
09:56<mdz>Snow-Man: it's tough with nvidia cards because they go by many names
09:56<bma>Snow-Man: except you need pci :)
09:56<mdz>_need_ pci?
09:57<Snow-Man>yea, it's also my desktop box.
09:57<Snow-Man>I wouldn't think that'd be terribly difficult tho.
09:57<mdz>you'd be surprised
09:57<Snow-Man>You're not helping. :)
09:57<bma>heh
09:57<mdz>micro center really didn't have anything?
09:58<mdz>might try a used place
09:58<Snow-Man>They wanted $90
09:58<Snow-Man>Their used section *might* have something, but they might still want alot for it too.
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10:19<bma>fucking gaim
10:19<bma>how the hell do I turn off this mail notification crap
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10:24<Snow-Man>bma: What was the name of that place?
10:26<bma>I think it's golden tech or something like that.
10:26<bma>it's in herndon
10:27<Snow-Man>Hrmm.
10:27<Snow-Man>http://www.gtcomp.com/index.asp
10:29<Snow-Man>Their online thing doesn't appear to have one.
10:31<Snow-Man>I suppose that doesn't mean all that much tho.
10:31<Snow-Man>blah, blah, blah.
10:32<bma>you could call them
10:32<Snow-Man>yea, I could.
10:34<Snow-Man>Erol's has one for $60.
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10:56<mdz>Erol's sells hardware now?
10:56<mdz>from video rentals to ISP to computer store
10:59<john>hey guys
10:59<bma>they always sold hardware
11:00<bma>well, when they were an ISP
11:00<john>I was setting up my remote and the config for it online doesn't seem to work, but at some point a config was generated
11:00<john>and it was pretty good I think
11:00<john>and since then I tried to use the newer one and I overwrote the auto-generated one and I can't get it back
11:00<john>I tried to make my own but it doesn't add up
11:02<Snow-Man>mdz: You from around here or what?
11:04<john>is there some program that will generate a lircd.conf for me other than irrecord?
11:05<Conaz>john: can you get the replacement from the remotes.tar.bz2 file from the lirc site?
11:08<mdz>Snow-Man: MD originally
11:10<Snow-Man>mdz: Ah, cool, where you at now?
11:17<mdz>Snow-Man: MA
11:17<Snow-Man>ah.
11:23<rkulagow__>i hate automake
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11:29<thor_>rkulagow, remind me where you were having CD difficulties ... ripping ?
11:30<rkulagow__>thor: cd's with "cd extra" data.
11:30<rkulagow__>no way to skip those tracks?
11:31<thor_>probably ... just discovered that CD stuff is totally broken, so may as well fix everything if I need to figure out how libcdaudio works
11:32<PeteCool>anybody knows how to get to the area that mythfrontend_LANG.ts call SetRecTimeDialog ?
11:34<PeteCool>that might not be a clearly understandable sentence...
11:34<thor_>could make head or tales of it
11:34<thor_>couldn't
11:34<thor_>tails
11:34<thor_>sheeesh
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11:36<PeteCool>this sentence appears somewhere in the UI: "Change recording time:"
11:36<PeteCool>I never seen it, where would it be?
11:38<thor_>programs/mythfrontend/setrectime.cpp
11:40<mdz>PeteCool: grep -r
11:40<thor_>grep blah */*/*
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11:41<PeteCool>mdz: I'm trying to see what it does for a user, and what it does... hard to translate a sentence when you don't know how it's used =)
11:42<mdz>PeteCool: I believe it is from the dialog which used to try to resolve a conflict by adjusting the start/end time of the programs
11:43<mdz>it didn't work and was disabled; that code may not be used at present
11:43<PeteCool>mdz: ok, thanks
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12:04<PeteCool>is this thing valid? update recorded set bookmark = 181440 and starttime = 20030428210000 where title = "Charlie's Angels";
12:04<PeteCool>it doesn't change the starttime
12:04<Captain_Murdoch_>starttime needs to be specified in the update because it's a timestamp and otherwise it would get set to the current time.
12:06<PeteCool>Captain_Murdoch_: well, I see it in that mysql command :) It does have a wrong starttime atm
12:06<PeteCool>hmm
12:06<PeteCool>I removed the bookmark part and it worked
12:08<PeteCool>how many programs do you see in the list? http://petecool.dyndns.org:8081/mythweb/main.php?mode=conflicts
12:08<PeteCool>I see 11... out of 76 :(
12:09<thor_>PeteCool, not sure you really want your MythWeb exposed like that ??
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12:14<Captain_Murdoch_>connection refused anyway.
12:14<Captain_Murdoch_>you separate set items by a command not by a "and"
12:15<Captain_Murdoch_>s/command/comma/
12:19<Captain_Murdoch_>both 11 and 76 are wrong anyway, mine shows 65. :)
12:23<Conaz>PeteCool_: your ISP block port 80 as well?
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12:58<thor_>Chutt, you around?
12:58<Chutt>yup
12:58<Chutt>what's up?
12:58<thor_>noticed this morning that CD's are broken
12:59<Chutt>really?
12:59<Chutt>hmm
12:59<Chutt>i hadn't tried in a while
12:59<thor_>must have been that way for a long time .... :-)
12:59<thor_>so ....
12:59<thor_>Do we want CD's on the Select Screen, or just put it in the playback tree?
12:59<thor_>I don't know what a checkbox beside a CD on the Select screen means?
13:00<Chutt>lemme get things compiled
13:00<Chutt>and i'll check it all out
13:00<thor_>can't really put it in the (persistent) playlists?
13:00<Chutt>nope, can't
13:01<thor_>it would be fine just in the playback tree, except for when showWholeTree is false
13:07<thor_>another alternative would be a dedicated play cd screen/mode
13:12<thor_>or a play cd button that brings up the same playback, but forces it to start at the CD point in the tree rather than active playlist. That would solve the showWholeTree false problem
13:12<Chutt>ehh
13:12<Chutt>i think it's fine the way it is
13:12<Chutt>just don't let it be saved in the playlist
13:14<PeteCool_>Conaz: yeah, they block port 25 too
13:15<Conaz>PeteCool_: I hate that
13:16<thor_>Chutt, so selecting CD's goes on active, but doesn't save to DB?
13:16<Chutt>yup
13:16<thor_>tree as well?
13:17<thor_>(in case you forgot to select it)
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13:18<thor_>btw, even lookup seems broken ... not sure how I did that
13:23<Chutt>that's weird
13:23<Chutt>it's not even opening the device, here
13:24<thor_>yeah ... as I said ... I think it must have been broken for a long time ... sorry
13:25<Chutt>oh, wait
13:26<Chutt>i don't have the dvd drive even plugged in =)
13:27<thor_>here it knows how many tracks there are, but it's like it can't find freedb or something ... I'm just looking at libcdaudio stuff to try and figure out what I broke
13:31<Chutt>there we go
13:31<Chutt>drive hooked up now
13:31<thor_>thumb screws!
13:32<Chutt>doh
13:32<Chutt>fsck
13:32<Chutt>i thought i turned that all off
13:36<Chutt>well
13:36<Chutt>hmm
13:36<Chutt>cd bit was empty first time i went in to that screen
13:36<Chutt>went in again, it was populated
13:36<Chutt>with the proper data
13:36<thor_>really?
13:36<Chutt>yup
13:37<thor_>hmmm ... what version libcdaudio?
13:37<Chutt>it didn't play, though
13:37<thor_>that I can fix quickly =)
13:37<Chutt>0.99.9
13:37<thor_>me too
13:38<thor_>what's in ~/.cdserverrc
13:38<thor_>ACCESS=remote ?
13:38<Chutt>ACCESS=REMOTE
13:39<Chutt>SERVER=http://www.freedb.org:80/cgi-bin/cddb.cgi CDDB
13:39<thor_>hrm
13:39<thor_>me too
13:39<thor_>wtf ?
13:39<Chutt>oh, wait
13:39<Chutt>the data was cached
13:39<thor_>ya ha !
13:40<thor_>now just ~ for the CD name ?
13:41<Chutt>yup
13:41<thor_>get a bunch of upside down ?'s on stdout ?
13:42<thor_>(when it looks at the drive)
13:42<Chutt>yup
13:42<thor_>well ... I can fix all this ... but if you have any quick solutions I won't complain
13:43<thor_>=)
13:43<Chutt>well
13:43<Chutt>the issue is in libcdaudio, most likely
13:43<Chutt>'cdcd' also fails
13:44<thor_>I looked in the changelog, and no word of interface change between 0.99.6 and 0.99.9, but I'll try a downgrade
13:50<thor_>the libcdaudio library page says they're dropping support for lookup. They reccomend musicbrainz ... which seems to be LGPL ... and the database is OpenContent license.
13:51<Chutt>i'm not using the mb library
13:51<thor_>ok
13:57<Chutt>update cvs and remove your ~/.cdserverrc
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13:57<Chutt>should pull info again
13:57<Chutt>rest is playback selection stuff =)
13:58<thor_>I can handle that, np
13:58<Chutt>SERVER=http://freedb.freedb.org:80/~cddb/cddb.cgi CDDB
13:58<Chutt>works
13:59<thor_>groovy
13:59<thor_>I guess I can stop this install of 0.99.6 =)
14:05<thor_>this is going to become a FAQ
14:05<Chutt>yup
14:06<thor_>everything is else is pretty much rock solid I think
14:07<bma>Chutt: so, have you fixed it so mythtv setup will work without a tuner installed? :)
14:08<Chutt>nope
14:08<PeteCool_>Chutt: I found some info on the shoutcast stream format (for mythradio or whatever)
14:08<Chutt>i'm fairly familar with it
14:09<Chutt>already :p
14:09<PeteCool_>Chutt: so simple *I* could code it
14:10<PeteCool_>Chutt: I need to figure out how to open a socket and all that before I could do anything... but I'll finish the french patch before doing that
14:10<PeteCool_>Chutt: will you take a mythtv-only (no modules) patch ?
14:10<PeteCool_>(for the language)
14:10<Chutt>of course
14:11<bma>Chutt: so fix it ;)
14:11<PeteCool_>It should be done today then ;)
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14:11<thor_>yeah!
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14:12<Chutt>bma, you can
14:12<JustinP>I am having a problem that manye people seem to be having. When I run setup i get that: QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
14:12<Chutt>install the qt-mysql package like the docs tell you to.
14:13<Chutt>or build qt with mysql support if you were silly enough to compile qt from source
14:13<JustinP>yes, but where can I find it?
14:13<JustinP>I did compile qt from the source
14:13<Chutt>which distribution?
14:13<JustinP>and I did the ./configure -qt-sql-QMYSQL3 -prefix /usr/lib/qt3
14:13<JustinP>RH 8.0
14:13<thor_>JustinP, did you read ./configure --help when you built Qt ?
14:13<Chutt>why didn't you just use the rpms?
14:14<JustinP>Chutt: because I couldn't find the one I need
14:14<Chutt>since, well, they work.
14:14<Snow-Man>Chutt: Hey, buy me a GF2 MX400 w/ TV out and drive it down here so I can have it tonight? :)
14:14<Chutt>and compiling your own rarely does
14:14<Chutt>snowman, no
14:14<Snow-Man>:(
14:14<JustinP>Chutt: Can you point me at the files I need?
14:14<Chutt>justinp, you need the qt-mysql plugin
14:14<Chutt>you don't have it.
14:15<JustinP>Where can I get it?
14:15<Chutt>with the qt package
14:15<Chutt>i wouldn't know for such an old distro
14:15<thor_>JustinP, you built from source, it's in the friggin source
14:15<JustinP>rh 8.0 is old?
14:15<Snow-Man>Think there's enough different between cvs and the current debs to cause trouble trying to build cvs debs (just for me, don't yell :))
14:15<Snow-Man>?
14:16<Chutt>justinp, quite.
14:16<JustinP>thor_: I did the ./configure -qt-sql-QMYSQL3 -prefix /usr/lib/qt3 shuoldn't that have included it?
14:17<thor_>./configure -qt-sql-mysql -thread -Xft
14:17<thor_>and QTDIR set to wherever the install goes
14:17<thor_>it's all in ./configure --help
14:17<JustinP>thor_: Do i have to remake it or just re make install?
14:18<thor_>JustinP, if I were you, I'd rm -fr the directory, untar again, and start from scratch. Either that or track down the *correct* rpms
14:18<Chutt>snowman, i don't think so, no
14:19<Snow-Man>Cool, I'll try it.
14:19<JustinP>thor_: Which rpms are needed, and where can I find them?
14:19<Snow-Man>Let's see if I can manage to cvs up from this ancient cvs tree.
14:19<thor_>I dunno, I have never touched Redhat
14:19<Chutt>snowman, nope
14:19<Snow-Man>Chutt: I can't cvsup? Root change?
14:20<Chutt>justinp, there's a redhat 8 section in the mythtv howto. might want to read it
14:20<Chutt>justinp, section 3: checking prerequisites
14:20<Chutt>snowman, yup
14:20<Snow-Man>Damn.
14:20<Snow-Man>Oh well, so it goes.
14:20<Snow-Man>Chutt: Will doing a cvs checkout kill your connection? ;)
14:21<Chutt>nope
14:21<Snow-Man>Well, that's good.
14:21<Snow-Man>It's not SF, is it?
14:21<JustinP>Chutt: but it doesn't tell me where to get it
14:21* Snow-Manis looking around on the homepage for the cvsroot..
14:21<Chutt>rpmfind, perhaps?
14:22<Chutt>you installed from _somewhere_
14:22<Chutt>perhaps you'd get the rpms from the same place?
14:22<Snow-Man>Wheee, there it goes.
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14:27<Snow-Man>Oh, bother. The Debian diff has more crap in it than I'd like.
14:29<Snow-Man>Why do I get the feeling at least some of this is in CVS.
14:30<Snow-Man>Hmmm. Ok, so it's not *that* bad.
14:31<mdz>Snow-Man: you calling my diff crap? :-P
14:32<Snow-Man>hahaha
14:32<Snow-Man>O:)
14:32<mdz>everything that's not debian-specific in the diff is in CVS
14:32<Snow-Man>Everything?
14:32<Snow-Man>Well
14:32<Snow-Man>Ok, maybe debian specific, but not debian/
14:34<mdz>right
14:34<Snow-Man>mdz: I havn't bothered to look yet but- do the scripts handle upgrades and changes to stuff like mc.sql?
14:34<mdz>debian/ + paths and what not, basically
14:34<mdz>Snow-Man: yes
14:34<Snow-Man>ok, cool, I won't worry about that then.
14:34<mdz>Snow-Man: well, if you move to CVS, you'll need to ;-P
14:35<Snow-Man>mdz; erm?
14:35<mdz>Snow-Man: debs and CVS are mutually exclusive
14:35<Conaz>JustinP: you still around?
14:35<Snow-Man>mdz: I'm building CVS debs for me.
14:35<mdz>Snow-Man: ah, well, it won't handle the upgrades to the db then
14:35<mdz>it only does it between releases
14:35<Snow-Man>mdz: Damnit, that's just what I asked. :P
14:36<mdz>supporting upgrades between CVS releases would be insanity
14:36<Snow-Man>bah, blow away the database and rebuild would be my vote.
14:38<Conaz>That is what I do
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14:40<Snow-Man>It'd be nice to specify the default buffers/recordings directories via something else besides hacking the source.
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14:41<Snow-Man>Like, ./configure options or something, you can set arbitrary ones, can't you?
14:42<mdz>Snow-Man: er, what?
14:42<mdz>oh, you mean the defaults
14:43<mdz>well, it'd be easier if Chutt would accept the FHS locations as defaults rather than /mnt/store :-P
14:43<Snow-Man>mdz: Just thinking of ways to make the debian stuff more contained.
14:43<Snow-Man>hahaha
14:43<Snow-Man>mdz: Good luck. ;)
14:43<Snow-Man>It seems to me that damn near everything could be contained in debian/ tho if the defaults for root, var/cache and var/lib could be specified
14:44<Snow-Man>Instead of patched into the source.
14:45<Snow-Man>mythtv (0.9.cvs.20030605-1) unstable; urgency=low
14:45<Snow-Man> * CVS Upstream
14:45<Snow-Man> -- Stephen Frost <sfrost@debian.org> Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:42:00 -0400
14:45<Snow-Man>Wheee.
14:45<mdz>Snow-Man: I assume that there is some way to pass parameters to qmake
14:45<mdz>but I have not bothered to learn how
14:46<Snow-Man>Hrmmm. I actually have all the build-depends installed?
14:46<mdz>Snow-Man: that version number is >> 0.9
14:46* Snow-Manfinds that mildly suprising.
14:46<Snow-Man>mdz: oh, yea, I suppose that's true.
14:46<mdz>you have the qt development libs installed?
14:46<mdz>it doesn't take much more than that
14:46<Snow-Man>huh, I thought it took more. Then again, I did compile it before back in like October.
14:47<Chutt>liblame-dev
14:47<Chutt>or whatever it is
14:47<Chutt>is about it on top of qt
14:47<Snow-Man>Bleh, I'm guessing ~ in the version doesn't work yet?
14:47<Snow-Man>Or whatever it's going to be.
14:48<Snow-Man>mythtv (0.8.cvs.0.9.20030605-1) unstable; urgency=low
14:48<Snow-Man>That better? :)
14:49<mdz>~ is supposed to work with unstable apt and dpkg
14:49<mdz>but I've never tried it myself
14:50<mdz>dpkg 1.10.something and apt 0.5.5+
14:51* Snow-Manshrugs.
14:51* Snow-Manwatches it compile.
14:51<Snow-Man>Oh, I should check, are all those packages on your site from the same source?
14:52<Snow-Man>Looks like it..
14:52<Snow-Man>errr, the mythtv ones anyway.
14:52<Snow-Man>mythgallery, mythweather, mythweb come from other stuff?
14:52<Chutt>music, game, and video are separate
14:53<Chutt>in addition to those
14:53<Snow-Man>Don't see debs for those atm.
14:53<Snow-Man>May have to fix that tho.
14:54<Snow-Man>Are they all in your CVS repo or no?
14:54<Snow-Man>Failed to fetch http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/mythweb_0.8.orig.tar.gz 404 Not Found
14:54<Snow-Man>:(
14:54<Chutt>everything's in cvs, yea
14:55<Snow-Man>mythgallery is missing too. mythweather is there.
14:55<Snow-Man>Well, the tarballs are missing anyway. I can probably just work from the diff's and stuff.
14:55<Chutt>cvs modules needs cvs mythtv
14:55<Chutt>etc
14:56<Snow-Man>:pserver:freeamp@cvs.freeamp.org:/src/repository
14:56<mdz>Snow-Man: gallery/weather/web are separate from tv
14:56<Snow-Man>Damn, that's *old*.
14:56<mdz>Snow-Man: but all the sources are up there
14:56<Snow-Man>mdz: apt-get source wasn't finding mythgallery and mythweb tarballs.
14:56<Chutt>heh
14:56<mdz>I'm staring at them; they're clearly there
14:56<mdz>what's the URL it tries to get?
14:57<Snow-Man>mdz: Did you see what I pasted above?
14:57<mdz>yep
14:57<mdz>/home/mdz/public_html/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source
14:57<mdz>dijkstra:[...ists/unstable/mythtv/source] ls -l mythtv_0.8.orig.tar.gz
14:57<mdz>-rw-r--r-- 1 mdz mdz 1799464 Mar 16 17:59 mythtv_0.8.orig.tar.gz
14:57<mdz>obviously that one is user error :-P
14:57<mdz>what about the others?
14:57<Snow-Man>erm... I said mythweb and mythgallery..
14:57<Snow-Man>14:54 <Snow-Man> Failed to fetch
14:57<Snow-Man>http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/source/mythweb_0.8.orig.tar.gz 404
14:57<mdz>heh, more #d-d crossover incoming
14:57<Snow-Man> Not Found
14:58<mdz>user error on my part, clearly
14:58<Snow-Man>And that one URL I pasted was mythweb
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14:58<Snow-Man>ohhhhh.
14:58<mdz>diff and dsc are there, looks like I forgot .orig
14:58<Snow-Man>Invade Chutt!
14:58<mdz>they match the ones distributed from mythtv.org of course
14:58<Snow-Man>Well, sure, but, ya know, I'm lazy and stuff. :)
14:58<mdz>uploading them now
14:59<Snow-Man>Cool. :)
14:59<mdz>done
14:59<Snow-Man>Thanks. :)
14:59<Chutt>invade?
14:59<Snow-Man>Much better.
15:00<Snow-Man>Chutt: Well, invade #mythtv with Debian folk. ;)
15:00<dilinger>mdz: so, what kind of hardware are you using?
15:00<Snow-Man>Chutt: Soon you'll be able to just bitch in here about Debian issues and you'll actually hit the right people to fix them. ;)
15:00<Chutt>oh
15:00<Chutt>ok
15:00<Chutt>is unstable safe right now?
15:00<Snow-Man>I just dist-upgrade'd to it before I installed mythtv, but I don't do all the stuff you do.
15:01<Snow-Man>Though mythtv appears to be compiling fine.
15:01<Snow-Man>So that's a bonus.
15:01<mdz>dilinger: 1.4GHz athlon, wintv, nvidia
15:01<Snow-Man>The closest place according to pricewatch with a cheap nvidia card w/ tvout is Ohio. :(
15:02<Chutt>sorry, i'm not driving down to dc
15:02<Snow-Man>hehe.
15:02<mdz>Snow-Man: source ok now?
15:02<Snow-Man>mdz: Yeah, worked fine.
15:02<mdz>cool
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15:04<Snow-Man>Reason to not have 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS ' in CVS instead of just 'CREATE TABLE'?
15:04<mdz>I thought that was in CVS by now
15:04<Chutt>mdz hasn't checked it in?
15:04<Snow-Man>Not for mythgallery
15:04<Snow-Man>(at least)
15:05<mdz>ah
15:05<mdz>that I would believe
15:05<mdz>I'm pretty sure mythtv has had that for a long time
15:05* Snow-Manshrugs.
15:06<Conaz>I've not ever done an upgrade, is there a sql file that does alter table commands then?
15:06<Chutt>cvs.sql
15:06<Conaz>when there are table changes that is of course
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15:06<Snow-Man>-rw-r--r-- 1 sfrost sfrost 11372 Jun 5 15:04 mythtv_0.8.cvs.0.9.20030605-1_all.deb
15:06<Snow-Man>Wheee.
15:08<Snow-Man>Of course, I need to change the libmyth stuff to 0.9, doh.
15:09<Snow-Man>+#INCLUDEPATH += $${PREFIX}/include
15:09<Snow-Man>+#INCLUDEPATH *= /usr/local/include
15:09<Snow-Man>What's that fer? (mythweather)
15:09* Snow-Mandoes too much AM shit.
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15:13<mdz>I don't even use mythgallery, I whipped up a deb just to try it out
15:13* Snow-Manshrugs.
15:15<Conaz>How easy is it to get lirc running under deb?
15:15<Conaz>On rh it is a pain
15:16<Conaz>Of course it would have helped if I would have started with a kernel recompile from teh get go, so I didn't have to install Alsa twice :)
15:16<Snow-Man>dvbchannel.h:31: warning: unused parameter `const QString&format'
15:16<Snow-Man>dvbchannel.h:33: warning: unused parameter `const QString&input'
15:16<Snow-Man>...
15:17<Snow-Man>Naughty naughty. ;)
15:17<mdz>Snow-Man: *bonk* CVS
15:17<Snow-Man>I know. :)
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15:21<Snow-Man>bah! No copyright file in mythvideo.
15:21<Snow-Man>And it's got SQL stuffs, ugh.
15:23* Snow-Maneyes the mythgallery postinst.
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15:58<Snow-Man>What kind of machine do you need to handle decodeing?
15:59<Conaz>Snow-Man: at what resolution and encoding type?
16:00<Snow-Man>DVD-level stuff?
16:00<Snow-Man>I'm guessing that's the highest quality it'd be.
16:00<Snow-Man>It'd be playing DVDs and myth mpeg-4 stuff..
16:01<Conaz>The lowest I've run mpeg-4s on is a 750, which handled it pretty well.
16:01<Conaz>With 256MB memory as I recall
16:01<Conaz>I'm sure you could push that a little bit though
16:02<Conaz>Of course I only record at 480x480
16:02<Conaz>Due to the fact that I have not broken down to pickup a pvr250 yet
16:02<PeteCool>I played back 352x480 mpeg-4 HQ on a celeron 500 with 384 megs without problems
16:04<Snow-Man>The recording and mythtv backend would be on another box.
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16:23<bline>Chutt: you around?
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16:27<LeandroD>hi
16:28<thor_>ciao
16:32<LeandroD>ciao
16:33<thor_>once again, that exhausts my Italian
16:34<LeandroD>eheheh... it is enough...
16:35<Chutt>bline, am now
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16:38<marc>hello?
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16:38<thor_>Chutt, you really want to have CD stuff on the active playlist huh?
16:39<Chutt>yup
16:39<thor_>grrrrr
16:39<Chutt>heh
16:39<Chutt>makes the most sense to be there
16:39<thor_>copy playlist?
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16:39<thor_>hmph!
16:40<marc>hello
16:40<marc>?
16:41<thor_>marc, we're here, but terrified you're going to ask what to do about QTMYSQL errors
16:41<marc>no, not at all :-)
16:42<thor_>or, why doesn't my ATI AIW work?
16:42<marc>more like popping in, saying hello and sounding off why the mailing list won't accept my messages :-)
16:42<thor_>subscribed?
16:42<Chutt>it helps if you subscribe, generally
16:42<marc>been there, done that
16:43<thor_>t-shirt?
16:43<marc>and yes, i checked that my address works
16:43<Chutt>what address?
16:43<marc>lister@gerges.net
16:43<Chutt>and which list?
16:43<marc>users
16:52<Snow-Man>A mailing list user, eh?
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16:52<Snow-Man>mwahhahaha.
16:52<bline>Chutt: how much bandwidth does cvs use?
16:52<PeteCool>Chutt: what would I need to get the shoutcast data stream? only create a QSocket, connect to the host, and read from that socket?
16:53<Snow-Man>Jun 5 12:29:55 syslog@relay/relay sm-mta[26691]: h55GRRZU026689: to=<lister@gerges.net>, delay=00:02:27, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=3146308, relay=mail.gerges.net. [81.209.142.39], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown
16:53<Snow-Man>heh.
16:54<Snow-Man>Mostly looks ok though, lots of 'Message accepted for delivery' stuff.
16:54<Chutt>bline, no idea
16:54<Chutt>i don't see any moderated posts from lister@gerges.net
16:54<Chutt>petecool, yup
17:02<bline>Ok, Alex just wanted to make sure it wasn't _a lot_, like over 15G's a month.
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17:03<_marc>grmbl
17:03<PeteCool>Chutt: is the <alttext> i18'able in the xml files? SasQ uses them - maybe that's broken behaviour?
17:04<PeteCool>it doesn't use the alttext everywhere, that's weird
17:05<Chutt>i dunno
17:05<Chutt>i think it should be
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17:23<Conaz>question for you all: is the mythtranscode mostly for migrating the mpeg-2 (from the hardware device) to mpeg-4 to save space? If so, is that done on a schedule?
17:25<Chutt>it's not really for anything right now
17:27<Conaz>I figured it wasn't complete, from reading the mail list
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17:27<Conaz>I was mostly curious about the future plan for it
17:27<Conaz>I must not have hit those posts where the discussion took place about the direction of that part
17:28<rkulagow>cool. got the hauppauge grey remote working with the pvr-250 in the pundit. next stop: living room.
17:29<Conaz>hehee
17:29<Conaz>Will that unit lay on it's side?
17:29<Conaz>Or is that a base on the bottom that I see in the photo?
17:30<rkulagow>thor: answer conaz's questions while i'm setting up, eh?
17:30<Conaz>Hehee
17:30<thor_>Conaz, you can remove the feet and lay it on it's side, but it's not cosmetically pretty (ventilation holes, etc.)
17:30<Conaz>Ahh
17:30<thor_>plus the door won't open
17:31<thor_>so you'd have to lay it on something
17:31<Conaz>Ah, yes, hinged so it would have to lift up the unit
17:31<thor_>I asked the same question yesterday
17:31<Conaz>Stick some other rubber feet on the bottom (side) I suppose
17:31<thor_>I think I'm going to go with a Cool Master 620
17:31<Conaz>I've actually opted to try the xbox (arrives tomorrow)
17:32<Conaz>Of course my mod-chip is on backorder, and won't ship till next week... which figures of course
17:34<Conaz>Hehee, I forgot that the myth-dev list was read only to me :)
17:35<Conaz>I am going to get my hardware guy to purchase a few pundit machines for testing here as workstations, hoping to get my hands on one to test for a bit ;)
17:35<thor_>Woooo HOOOOO one "return &(*iterator)" brain scratching solution later, CD is playing now officially un-broken
17:36<Conaz>just in time for 0.9
17:37<thor_>although that 1411200 kbps second display doesn't look quite right
17:38<PeteCool>thor_: the coolearmaster 620 looks great, please tell how it is in RL, if/when you get one :)
17:38<thor_>yup
17:39<thor_>PeteCool, tu es Quebecois ?
17:41<PeteCool>thor_: ouaip
17:42<PeteCool>Chutt: alttext translates just fine
17:42<PeteCool>thor_: et toi?
17:42<thor_>ls c'est ls bien la bonne ls ca la
17:42<thor_>PeteCool, Canadian, mais j'ai ete a l'Universite a Montreal pour 8 ans
17:43<thor_>and my french still sucks
17:43<PeteCool>thor_: cool!
17:43<PeteCool>thor_: my french is bad too ;)
17:43<PeteCool>thor_: not in the same way
17:43<PeteCool>thor_: what did you study?
17:43<Conaz>everyone have a good evening
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17:44<thor_>PeteCool, economics
17:44Usage:QUERY <nick>, opens up a new privmsg window to someone
17:45<PeteCool>thor_: how did you learn to program? on your own only?
17:46<PeteCool>Chutt: mythprogfind isn't i18n'able yet, right?
17:48<thor_>PeteCool, I'm not sure I ever learned
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17:51<PeteCool>Chutt: is it normal diff, less and nano see my unicode files as binary? They seem to work fine, though
17:52<mdz>PeteCool: yes
17:52<mdz>PeteCool: use diff -a
17:52<mdz>and a unicode-friendly pager and editor
17:52<mdz>lv is a reasonable less-like pager which should understand it
17:53<PeteCool>mdz: k, thanks =)
17:57<PeteCool>mdz: hmm, the diff is still showing some junk... >:(
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19:39<JustinP>When I run setup, I can't select any options... I don't have a mouse curser and hitting numbers odesn't work
19:40<thor_>up down to highlight, left right to change
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19:53<JustinP>ahh thanks
19:54<JustinP>this mythtv thing rocks
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20:16<PeteCool>mdz: what do you use as utf text editor? vi/vim?
20:32<PeteCool>at least, unired seems to work better than scite...
20:34<JustinP>What does this mean:
20:34<JustinP>Error getting inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have
20:34<JustinP>forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?
20:34<JustinP>TV is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.
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20:39<Chutt>means you skipped the entire 4th step of the setup program, and need to go read the docs again
20:46<thor_>Chutt, thanks for that
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21:07<JustinP>Anyone know how to make it so it plays faster? everything is really slow :(
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21:18<bline>Chutt: you get what I msged you?
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21:25<PeteCool>Chutt: do you want the .qm in my patch ?
21:27<PeteCool>Chutt: nm, shouldn't matter anyway
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22:05<bigguy>lo bline
22:05<bigguy>what dist was it that you were having trouble with qt on?
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22:05<bline>me?
22:05<bigguy>yeah
22:06<bigguy>I thought it was you
22:06<bline>I' ve not had trouble with qt I can remember
22:06<bigguy>hmm
22:06<bline>why?
22:06<bigguy>default vs i686-blah
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22:06<bigguy>just a link
22:06<bline>oh, yeah
22:06<bline>running qmake again fixes it
22:07<bline>s/again//
22:07<bigguy>but what dist was it?
22:07<bline>gentoo
22:07<bigguy>ah
22:08<bigguy>you hoping the python init stuff pans out?
22:08<bigguy>hopeing
22:09<bline>I havn't been keeping up with the developement for a few months
22:09<bline>too many other things on my plate
22:09<bigguy>ah
22:10<bigguy>my plates been pretty empty for about a month now
22:10<bigguy>I need a part time emt job
22:11<bline>I need a vacation :)
22:11<bigguy>to last through my school and summer
22:12<bline>maybe the bahamas
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22:14<PeteCool>make install is telling me my .xml files are invalid, again...
22:16<PeteCool>I finally decided to boot into gentoo, a f*sk the utf-8 wannabe windows editors... which would work for sure? scite, gvim, something else?
22:16<PeteCool>Its like the 3rd time I rewrite them all =(
22:17<PeteCool>I'd like not to waste more time, if possible
22:17<bigguy>writting french translations?
22:17<PeteCool>yup
22:19<bigguy>I use vim but I don't do much of anything in utf
22:19<bigguy>don't write in any languages other than english
22:20<bline>I think vim supports different language, I know it has a arab mode..
22:21<bigguy>yeah pretty sure it does
22:21<thor_>PeteCool, I have no idea, but this is off a Google search:
22:21<thor_>http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/developer/2003/March/msg00033.html
22:21<bigguy>the author of vim isn't a native speaker I don't think
22:24<PeteCool>thor_: looks nice
22:24<PeteCool>thor_: actually, the screenshot doesn't look as good as the description ;)
22:24<mdz_>PeteCool: emacs
22:28<thor_>that is pretty much the ugliest interface I've ever seen, I'd listen to mdz if I were you
22:29<thor_>and while you're in emacs, you can re-implement Myth in lisp
22:29<PeteCool>thor_: that just won't happen =)
22:29<bline>EmacsOS
22:29* blinestarts an editor war
22:31<PeteCool>wtf, 20 megs of source !
22:31<PeteCool>2.4.0 was about that size ;)
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22:41<mike__>hey. anyone happen to know if the wintv-go model 700 card works with btaudio? i can't seem to get it and google is a little light on this card
22:43<bigguy>no it doesn't
22:43<bigguy>it's a mono card
22:43<mike__>ah. so i should give this back to the store i borrowed it from and get another? :)
22:44<bigguy>that's what I'd do
22:44<mike__>is there a list somewhere of ones that work?
22:44<bigguy>hmm
22:44<vektor>you should start one
22:44<bigguy>dunno for sure
22:44<mike__>sure. i'll start one with this one not working
22:44<vektor>great
22:44<vektor>it'd probably be a good resource
22:45<vektor>i'll send you the info from the cards i have if you set up the page and stuff
22:45<PeteCool>mdz: anything special I need to do for emacs for it to save in utf-8?
22:45* bigguylags downloading tv shows
22:47<mdz_>PeteCool: does it say 'utf-8' in the modeline (bottom of the window)?
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22:47<mdz_>coding: utf-8 or such
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22:48<mike__>so i should be looking for any wintvgo card that works in stereo?
22:48<mdz_>if not, do Options->Mule->Set Language Environment->UTF-8
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22:50<bigguy>mike__: there are no wintvgo's that are stereo
22:51<bigguy>wintv go is there cheap card
22:52<mike__>so none of the wintv cards work with btaudio?
22:52<vektor>my wintv go card seems to load fine with the module
22:52<vektor>and registered a dsp device
22:52<vektor>i assume it works although i have not tried, i can try now though
22:52<Chutt>registering a device doesn't mean anything
22:52<vektor>oh?
22:52<PeteCool>mdz_: aah, now the diff makes sense - it doesn't remove every line any more
22:52<mike__>ya i can register the device no problem
22:52<PeteCool>mdz_: a million thanks ;)
22:52<Chutt>it'll always do that if there's a bttv chip present
22:52<vektor>so how can i easily tell if it works?
22:52<mike__>but the bttv module doesn't see the msp43xx chip
22:53<Chutt>regardless if it works or not
22:53<Chutt>generally, mono cards won't work, regardless of manufacturer
22:53<Chutt>they're not hooked up for it
22:54<mike__>hmm
22:54<mike__>that doesn't seem to make sense. what does # of channels have to do with a pci exit as opposed to just the audio
22:54<Chutt>um, of course it makes sense.,
22:55<Chutt>it has to do with how the card is designed
22:55<Chutt>stereo decoding needs an extra chip
22:55<mike__>i don't see how the two would be connected
22:56<Chutt>blah blah blah, whatever
22:56<vektor>mike__: are you just sad you didn't know before you bought the card?
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22:57<Chutt>vektor, it's easy to test, just record from the digital dsp it created at stereo 32kHz
22:57<rcaskey_>Chutt: is there a page with cvs info around?
22:57<mike__>nah. i got it at a place with a 60 day money back return policy just for this reason
22:57<Chutt>rcaskey, several
22:57<rcaskey_>url?
22:57<Chutt>the docs are a good place to start :p
22:57<vektor>mike__: is it really that big a deal? why not just use your soundcard?
22:58<Chutt>rcaskey, first section of the howto
22:58<mike__>it's not a big deal really. i was just trying to understand how stereo was connected to moving audio across the pci bus
22:58<rcaskey_>Chutt: ahh, ok.
22:58<rcaskey_>Chutt: are you planning on contributing myth to unstable at .10 or are you going to wait until 1.0?
22:58<Chutt>mike, as i said, stereo decoding requires an extra chip
22:59<Chutt>it's going to 0.10
22:59<Chutt>it can't be in debian.
22:59<Chutt>mike, without that chip, all the people do is route the sound to the line-out on the card
22:59<Chutt>the card doesn't touch the audio at all
22:59<Chutt>so it can't be transferred over the pci bus
22:59<rcaskey_>Chutt: legal issues?
22:59<mike__>ah. so it's that they don't bother if they don't need to
22:59<mike__>that makes sense
23:00<Chutt>now, of course, some stereo cards aren't hooked up in the proper way to use btaudio
23:00<Chutt>but most of em work
23:00<vektor>btaudio is a hack
23:00<Chutt>at least from what i understand
23:00<Chutt>people on my mailing list are dumb
23:00<Chutt>insisting that mythtv is locking up their machine
23:02<bigguy>the only lockups I've ever had in linux were hardware/driver relasted
23:02<vektor>that's because that's all they ever could be
23:02<bigguy>ugh
23:02<vektor>unless your app uses SCHED_FIFO ;)
23:02<bigguy>right
23:02<Chutt>heh
23:02<bigguy>my point
23:02<thor_>well, fork bombs used to work
23:02<rcaskey_>Chutt: hmm, the frontend is still not seperated out from the tv stuff?
23:03<Chutt>rcaskey, it just tries to connect to the backend on startup
23:03<mike__>X used to lock up often
23:03<Chutt>if that was made to be on demand, it'd run happily without it
23:03<mike__>but you could still usually get in
23:03<mike__>and kill it
23:04<rcaskey_>its complaining about the blank cvs password
23:05<Chutt>someone's using cvs right now
23:05<Chutt>thor, that guy needs to regenerate the segfault
23:05<Chutt>as what he sent in is, well, broken
23:06<thor_>Chutt, it looked a wee bit odd, but I know next to nothing about gdb
23:06<Chutt>core file
23:06<Chutt>no no
23:06<Chutt>=)
23:06<thor_>you're going to like the proper pixmap stuff in latest commit
23:06<Chutt>cool
23:07<Chutt>pixmaps?
23:07* rcaskey_wants to make sure the new version works on his rather large collection before getting released to the masses ;)
23:07<Chutt>oh, for the --config stuff
23:07<thor_>you'll see
23:07<thor_>no no
23:07<Chutt>no, this is separate -- i just wanted that to go straight to the config menu
23:07<thor_>ah
23:07<thor_>uhm
23:08<thor_>err
23:08<thor_>I'll figure it ouyt
23:08<thor_>out
23:08<Chutt>well, you have most of it
23:08<Chutt>just make it do a 'runmenu' on the config .xml file
23:08<thor_>ok
23:09<thor_>Video tree list is almost ready for commit
23:09<Chutt>instead of the main music .xml file
23:09<Chutt>sweet
23:09<Chutt>nice work =)
23:10<moegreen>Chutt: should I add a --config for MythVideo?
23:10<Chutt>sure, if you have time
23:10<Chutt>do you guys think that makes sense
23:10<Chutt>(moving the config stuff into the main, top level menu)
23:10<Chutt>?
23:11<thor_>it's a bit odd for, say, scan music
23:11<moegreen>Chutt: I like it there - but do you mean, then removing it from the module itself?
23:11<thor_>it's really up to the menu/theme, no?
23:11<Chutt>yeah
23:12<Chutt>thor, yeah, i was thinking scan music wouldn't fit in there anymore :(
23:12<Chutt>but, i think it makes more sense, especially as there's shared settings
23:12<mike__>laters
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23:13<thor_>as long as we put in the --config infrastructure, people can tweak it to their heart's content
23:14<Chutt>thor, cds still don't show up on the first time i enter the playlist, though
23:14<thor_>huh?
23:14<Chutt>oh, wait
23:14<Chutt>there it did
23:14<Chutt>weird
23:14<thor_>threads and timers baby
23:15<Chutt>i get a lot of 'QString::arg(): Argument missing: 1 ~ <trackname>
23:15<thor_>that doesn't sound very good
23:15<Chutt>when i enter the playback screen with cds selected
23:16<thor_>this is very weird .. I've been banging on it for a few hours and it works great here
23:16<Chutt>oh, it's working
23:16<Chutt>just get that on the console
23:16<thor_>still
23:16<thor_>odd
23:17<Chutt>i'll look for it
23:19<thor_>I got it
23:19<thor_>last minute thing
23:19<thor_>in playlist.cpp writeTree
23:20<thor_>I'll commit in a sec
23:20<Chutt>ah
23:20<Chutt>missing the %1, there =)
23:20<thor_>had track number before
23:21* rcaskey_still can't get into cvs. Did you say there was a limit on anon clients?
23:21<rkulagow>pundit is now in the living room with a working grey remote on Mandrake 9.1/Cooker. the weird thing is that you can't even hear the CPU fan, compiles, foldingathome, etc. _unless_ i'm running lm_sensors.
23:21<Chutt>rcaskey, nope
23:21<rkulagow>lm_sensors makes that thing sound like a jet engine.
23:21<rcaskey_>oh, should the password be blank for the mythtv user?
23:21<Chutt>no
23:22<PeteCool>rcaskey_: no, it mythtv
23:22<Chutt>thor, cd playback works nicely
23:22<thor_>I have yet to crash it
23:22<rcaskey_>oky
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23:26<rkulagow_>cool. it works, and it's readable on the TV.
23:26<thor_>commited ... you notice the pixmaps ... those are sweet
23:32<bigguy>hmm weird about lm_sensors
23:32<bigguy>you'd think it'd have no effect
23:35<thor_>rkulagow, I have not yet done anything about cd extra stuff. I was looking for a disc with some cd-extra stuff and I don't have one.
23:35<thor_>anyone know how to burn one?
23:43<rkulagow_>hrmm. i suppose if you had an .iso
23:44<thor_>I can even pick something up tomorrow if there's an obvious example that just about any record shop would have
23:44<bline>what's a good dvd burning program?
23:45<moegreen>thor_: is the CD Extra stuff, cd's with the track names on it already?
23:46<thor_>I have no idea, but apparently whatever "they" are, "they" don't rip properly in mythmusic
23:46<bigguy>moegreen: I think he is talking about cd's with an iso9660 part
23:46<rkulagow_>cd extras are data tracks, usually windows or Mac programs that "enhance" the experience when played in a PC.
23:47<bigguy>like cd's that have a music video or "enhanced"
23:47<rkulagow_>they'll autostart something.
23:47<thor_>ok, so a currently popular available title that we know has this problem?
23:47<rkulagow_>one of my sarah mclachlan CDs is a CD extra; i think "fumbling towards ecstasy"
23:47<moegreen>thor_: Barenaked Ladies - Born On a Pirate Ship has that stuff
23:47<thor_>great
23:48<thor_>all Canadian, of course
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23:48<moegreen>thor_: or you can do a search at cdnow.com, in the album title type: ENHANCED CD
23:48<bigguy>I know the BSB original cd has it
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23:49<thor_>just to be clear, ENHANCED = CD EXTRA
23:49<thor_>and, rkulagow, it only crashes on ripping, yes?
23:49<bigguy>they all have a data part and a audiocd part
23:50<bigguy>you can make them with mkisofs and some other tools
23:51<bigguy>there are howtos
23:51<rkulagow_>thor: it's not like a crash, per-se, it just takes "forever". last time i did it was before i had gotten the hang of troubleshooting
23:51<rkulagow_>(like i'm better now)
23:51<thor_>ok,
23:52<thor_>bigguy, less time to walk down the block than start reading cdrdao man pages
23:54<rkulagow_>bbl. ciao! (or, later, hosers, for you canadian types)
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