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00:00<thor>yup ... ToggleMute() ... oh well, I'm probably doing something bone-headed
00:02<thor>ah yes ... I am doing something bone-headed
00:13<thor>half bone headed ... even if tvplaying if you hit mute and then adjust the volume (before un-muting) it drops to 0. Will fix
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01:53<c0ol>hi
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01:54* Kuwangerhas a little problem.
01:55<Kuwanger>mythbackend keeps segfaulting. This seems to result from database errors.
01:55<thor>worst thing that can happen is you'll be ignored
01:55* blineignores Kuwanger
01:55<Kuwanger>The output is 23 lines long.
01:55<thor>bline!!
01:55<Kuwanger>Should I post in #flood?
01:55<bline>thor!
01:55<thor>Kuwanger, output of what ?
01:55<c0ol>i have a simi on topic question, is there any way to use DirectTV with these PVR solutions
01:56<c0ol>if so, where can i read more about that
01:56<Kuwanger>mythbackend
01:56<bline>c0ol: I'd search the mailing list
01:56<c0ol>but it is possibl
01:56<Kuwanger>The strace is much longer, and I could -g myth to track down the exact line if necessary.
01:56<thor>c0ol, myth can use an IR transmitter (eg, IR Blaster) to do DirectTV, see the mailing list
01:57<bline>Kuwanger: on the site there are instructions for getting a proper stack trace. You should do that and send it to the list.
01:57<Kuwanger>But, maybe this error is already know about?
01:57<thor>Kuwanger, what's the nature of the problem?
01:58<Kuwanger>bline: Except I think the error is a database one.
01:58<Kuwanger>thor: Apparently something about duplicate entries.
01:58<thor>when mythfilldatabe runs?
01:58<bline>Even if it is a database error, it probably shouldn't segfault imho
01:59<Kuwanger>thor: mythbackend
01:59<thor>ok ....
02:00<Kuwanger>bline: I'd agree.
02:00<Kuwanger>Rebuilding now..
02:01<bline>Are you using cvs mythtv?
02:01<Kuwanger>0.8
02:01<thor>bah
02:01<bline>heh
02:02<thor>Kuwanger, cvs is very stable (close to 0.9) and is much improved over 0.8
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02:02<thor>in any case, 0.9 will be released in the next few days
02:03<Chutt>someone just sent a 1 MB .jpg image of a term window to the list
02:03<thor>hey, Chutt's back
02:03<Chutt>hi
02:03<thor>how was your day off =)
02:03<Chutt>what, couldn't tell from the commit messages? :p
02:03<thor>saw one
02:04<thor>were there several? .... slow mailing recently
02:04<Chutt>should be another coming through shortly
02:04<bline>Is the mythcommflag ran from mythbackend to flag commercials or is it handled in a library?
02:05<Chutt>that's a separate program that can be used to re-flag a show
02:05<Chutt>mythbackend does its own stuff internally
02:05<Chutt>very similar to mythcommflag, just in a thread
02:05<bline>Ok, thanks.
02:06<bline>Trying to debug why commercials are not being flagged for me since I updated from cvs
02:06<Chutt>ah
02:06<thor>Chutt, re: 0.9 moegreen said earlier that he's going to leave work on MythVideo until afterwards. MythMusic just needs a few last tweaks (setting "Unknown" for unknown cd's and sorting out volume control)
02:07<Chutt>ok
02:07<Chutt>tomorrow night sometime
02:07<Chutt>edt or whatnot
02:07<thor>ok
02:07<Kuwanger>thor: What's improved?
02:07<thor>Kuwanger, over 0.8?
02:07<Kuwanger>thor: Yea.
02:07<thor>A lot ... wait 48 hours and grab 0.9
02:08<Chutt>< 24 :p
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02:08<Kuwanger>Uh huh.
02:08<thor>ok, make it 72
02:08<Kuwanger>That's two days without shows. :(
02:08<Kuwanger>Oh, that's not bad then.
02:08<thor>(kidding)
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02:09<thor>Chutt, ok if I mess with VolumeControl ... it does not work as expected
02:09* Kuwangerdoes wish channel 11 would show up.
02:09<bline>ugg, this system is very borken
02:09<Chutt>thor, i really couldn't care less about the volume stuff
02:09<Chutt>so do whatever you want to it
02:09<Kuwanger>I don't suppose there's any way to fetch a single channel from another listing and "map" it to another in xmltv, is there?
02:09<activelow>it appears I dont have the mysql plugin in slackware's default qt install, can I just download the plugin and install it without recompiling qt?
02:10<thor>activelow, it's hard with slackware
02:11<thor>a Qt source download and compile is not *that* hard if you're careful about reading "./configure --help" and setting QTDIR correctly
02:11<activelow>thor: ok, so you recommend a qt recompile then?
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02:11<thor>I run slackware
02:12<thor>and I compile Qt
02:12<activelow>thor: no problem, any options on ./configure I should be aware of to specifically set?
02:12<thor>-thread
02:12<thor>or maybe -threads (can't recall)
02:12<thor>-Xft
02:13<thor>-qt-sql-mysql
02:13<thor>it's all in ./configure --help
02:13<activelow>thor: thanks... I wonder if 9.0 has that by default... 8.0 here..
02:13<thor>I'm running 9.0 on one box, I built Qt
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02:14<thor>then again, I built the kernel
02:14<thor>that's why I like slackware
02:14<thor>... but them I'm probably a dinosaur ...
02:14<activelow>thor: lol... me too then, I've been using it since 3.0
02:14<Chutt>snowman needs to replace the mail server
02:15<thor>Chutt, it's been **really** slow since Wired (probably a coincidence)
02:16<thor>activelow, first slackware I installed was 0.9*** something Linux kernel (some time in 1992)
02:16<Chutt>just more people on it, and it's slightly more active
02:16<thor>mail list spike since Wired?
02:17<Chutt>more posts
02:17<Chutt>users didn't go up that much
02:17<Chutt>but it did go up
02:17<thor>would be bad if it fell over
02:17<activelow>thor: yeah I remember those days... actually a friend showed me sls, which I guess became slackware, but I could afford the hardware..
02:18<Chutt>actually, just broke 1000 subscribers to -users
02:18<thor>it should not be as slow as it is then
02:18<thor>or spamming wouldn't pay
02:19<Chutt>you don't know how old the machine is =)
02:19<thor>ah ... this is the CVS celeron?
02:19<Chutt>no, this is a p-133, i believe
02:19<Chutt>http://www.snowman.net/machines/relay/
02:21<thor>yeah ... mail relay needs an upgrade
02:21<Chutt>he has a better machine for it
02:21<thor>where's anon cvs going again
02:21<Chutt>just hasn't had time to switch over to it
02:21<Chutt>bline's going to host it
02:22<thor>home DSL, or is he corporate?
02:22<Chutt>it's the gossamer-threads guys
02:22<Chutt>ie, mailing list archives
02:22<thor>ah, good, that always seems to be not bad
02:23<thor>anything major at your end for 0.9?
02:23<Chutt>nope
02:23<bline>heh, I was just looking for a cvs stats program for it
02:23<Chutt>just need to test that bugfix i just checked in a little more
02:24<thor>so ... for 0.10
02:25<thor>do you want a bug fixing round (not that that worked before) ....
02:25<thor>or can I start thinking about breaking out mythmusic in client server
02:25<thor>?
02:25<Chutt>yeah, break stuff
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02:26<thor>good
02:26<Chutt>i want to work on bringing all the uis down to a single window
02:26<thor>yup
02:26<thor>absolutely
02:26<Chutt>fix focus problems, and be easier to remote control
02:26<thor>and snappier
02:26<Chutt>eh, slightly
02:27<thor>light front ends
02:27<thor>worry about UI
02:27<thor>not logic
02:27<thor>not data
02:27<thor>just UI
02:27<Chutt>can't fix the single window for everything, 'specially mythgame/video
02:27<Chutt>but, everything else should be possible
02:27<thor>so ... I've been thinking about this
02:28<thor>thing that worries me for mythmusic ...
02:28<thor>is imagining Goom on a client server model
02:28<Chutt>hmm?
02:28<Chutt>why?
02:28<Chutt>i'd imagine it'd be similar to mythtv
02:28<thor>I guess
02:28<Chutt>server would just stream data to the frontend
02:28<Chutt>for playback
02:28<thor>ok
02:29<Ku-less>Okay, now it doesn't do it.
02:29<thor>so how stupid should the fron end be?
02:29<thor>front
02:29<Ku-less>So, either it was an -Os bug, kde being rebuilt, or some weird new kernel thing.
02:29<Chutt>how stupid?
02:30<thor>where's the logic of playlists?
02:30<Chutt>frontend
02:30<Chutt>backend doesn't care, it just gives it files
02:30<Ku-less>Could the front end be stupid enough to support only something less complex than mpeg4?
02:30<thor>so backend just knows how to receive a signal that says play *this* file where *this* is a URL
02:30<thor>stream
02:30<thor>not play
02:30<Chutt>right
02:30<Chutt>just like remote video playback works now
02:31<Chutt>frontend just tells it 'gimme X'
02:31<Chutt>and it does
02:31<thor>got you
02:31<thor>(in principal)
02:31<Chutt>basically
02:31<Chutt>just need a ringbuffer input class for mythmusic
02:31<Ku-less>You could almost send 15fps raw data across a 100Mbps line, if need be.
02:32<thor>but frontend has to be able to ask, tell me everything I could play and all of the structures that dictate playing hierarchies
02:32<thor>no?
02:32<Ku-less>Would be nice to be able to use a really low powered machine to play video.
02:32<Chutt>ah, true
02:33<Ku-less>320*240*3*60fps = ~13.8MB
02:33<Ku-less>The card itself can hypothetically support 12.5MB/sec.
02:34<thor>Ku-less, I'm not following you?
02:34<Chutt>640 * 480 * 1.5 * 30
02:34<Ku-less>1.5?
02:34<Chutt>video is 12bpp.
02:35<thor>Chutt, while we're tossing around hypotheticals, can we have a core that controls access to audio and video devices?
02:35<Ku-less>Chutt: Ah.
02:35<Ku-less>Chutt: Well, that'll help a good deal then.
02:35<Chutt>thor, i dunno
02:36<Chutt>sure
02:36<thor>I'd love to be able to roam aroun Myth Menus and only have my music interrupted when I actual select a video to play?
02:36<Chutt>yeah
02:36<Ku-less>thor: Basically, if you could have one recorder, you should be able to have multiple really, really low power computers for the frontend.
02:36<Chutt>not really
02:37<thor>a little tiny thing at the core that says, "Ok, you can have the sound system", or, "OK, you can have the display"
02:37<Ku-less>thor: Or one. I just don't like the idea of "wasting" money on what ends up being almost completely a dump terminal.
02:37<Chutt>thor, yeah, that's fine
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02:37<Chutt>you're not going to spend any less money by getting a p-133 vs a p3-500 going
02:37<Ku-less>Chutt: There's the issue that the backend ends up doing the decompression, yea.
02:38<thor>Chutt, mythdaemon?
02:38<Ku-less>And a p3-500 doesn't seem to reliable play 640x480 mpeg4 video.
02:38<Chutt>thor, part of the frontend
02:38<Chutt>ku-less, does quite easily, here
02:39<Ku-less>Didn't for me.
02:39<thor>Chutt, no ... below the backend ... I thinl
02:39<Ku-less>Maybe it was the video card..
02:39<thor>think
02:39<thor>ah ... I see what you're saying
02:39<thor>yes ... per host frontend
02:40<Ku-less>I can't record at 640x480 on this machine.
02:40<c0ol>I looked at the mailing list and saw that some people have found u can control DSS via a serial cable, but does MythTV integrate with that at all?
02:40<Chutt>c0ol, it lets you run an arbitrary program on channel change
02:40<thor>c0ol, yes
02:40<c0ol>oh ok
02:40<Chutt>so you can do whatever the hell you want to change channels
02:41<c0ol>is there any program written for that, or should i write one
02:41<thor>any shell/perl/python/yadda/yadda/yadda you want
02:42<Chutt>there's example scripts in the source tarball, and talked about in the docs.
02:43<Ku-less>Anyhoo..
02:43<c0ol>hmm alright
02:46<thor>Chutt, I still think that something like MythDaemon should be "below" mythbackend and mythfrontend (as long as we're in hypothetical land)
02:46<Chutt>eh
02:46<Chutt>i think that could be pretty easily handled in the frontend
02:46<thor>and dynamic allocation of recording resources?
02:46<Chutt>backend doesn't need to know that stuff's being played back
02:47<thor>think something rendezvous-ish
02:47<Chutt>what else needs to use it?
02:47<thor>I'm a dumb consumer, I plug in my third mythbox
02:48<thor>bah da doom,
02:48<Chutt>eh
02:48<Chutt>still needs to be setup
02:48<Chutt>slightly
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02:48<Chutt>once its setup, the master already automatically adjusts if its there or not
02:48<thor>dynamically
02:48<thor>?
02:48<Chutt>yeah
02:49<thor>oh
02:49<thor>I've got three of them going but never told them about each other
02:49<thor>too much dev, not enough fun
02:49<Chutt>the scheduler gets re-run whenever a backend connects/disconnects
02:50<thor>excellent
02:50<Chutt>heh
02:50<Chutt>anyway
02:50<thor>ok, granted
02:50<Chutt>i need to go to bed
02:50<thor>yup
02:50<thor>goo idea
02:50<thor>good
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04:33<bline>is recordedmarkup where there commercial skiplist is stored?
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07:47<Snow-Man>Chutt: I had hoped to do it this weekend but it didn't happen. Hopefully some time this week.
07:47<Snow-Man>Of course it'll cause some amount of downtime but hopefully it'll go quick enough. :)
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11:01<Chutt>moegreen, hey, around?
11:09<mdz>Chutt: I've been getting a some audio buffer overflows recently...is this the problem you were aiming at when you put that sync() back in?
11:10<mdz>the kernel seems to intermittently suck in its buffering strategy
11:10<Chutt>no
11:10<Chutt>well, yeah
11:10<mdz>it'll have 400M or so worth of writes cached
11:10<Chutt>i'm hoping that issue is that it goes wonky when there's lots of writes cached
11:10<mdz>before it starts writing
11:10<mdz>that's just stupid of it
11:10<Chutt>and that distrupts everything to the point of dropping frame and stuff?
11:10<mdz>yep
11:11<mdz>sucks CPU too
11:11<Chutt>yeah, that's exactly the issue
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11:13<PeteCool>could somebody which has mythweb working correctly send me the [mysqld] part of their my.cnf please?
11:13<mdz>I don't understand how Linux can be good at hard things and suck at easy things
11:13<mdz>Linux 2.0 or so would just wake up every 30 seconds and try to write _something_ to disk
11:13<mdz>so that this didn't happen
11:13<mdz>with kflushd or whatever
11:13<mdz>bdflushd
11:14<Chutt>petecool, what's the problem?
11:14<mdz>PeteCool: you should not need to change anything there, except maybe commenting out skip-networking if your mythweb is not on the same system as the database
11:14<PeteCool>Chutt: the mythweb mysql queries don't have the time to give full results, or something similar
11:15<mdz>there is no time limit by default, at least not in stock mysql or Debian mysql
11:15<mdz>there is a limit on the maximum size of a query (not the result, the query itself)
11:15<PeteCool>mdz: is it this: set-variable = key_buffer=16M
11:15<PeteCool>set-variable = max_allowed_packet=1M
11:15<PeteCool>set-variable = thread_stack=128K
11:16<mdz>PeteCool: those are the defaults, which are what I'm using
11:16<Chutt>that's exactly what i have in mine as well
11:16<mdz>PeteCool: can you explain the actual problem you're seeing?
11:17<PeteCool>mdz: say I'm going in the conflicts screen... the top and bottom of the page are normal, have all their usual data... but the list of shows has only 10 or 12 shows or so, not the >70 there should be
11:17<Conaz>What did you all think about my thought of pulling out the html portions of mythweb into a skins directory?
11:17<mdz>PeteCool: no errors?
11:17<PeteCool>mdz: no
11:17<mdz>PeteCool: doesn't sound like a mysql problem, then
11:18<Chutt>petecool, those are gotten from the backend, though
11:18<Chutt>not the database
11:19<PeteCool>the movies pages is screwed like that too, as is recorded
11:19<Chutt>recorded is also from the backend, but movies is from the db
11:22<Chutt>heh
11:24<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, does mythvideo use the same communications channel between the frontend and backend?
11:25<Chutt>nope
11:25<Chutt>it just uses the db for storage
11:25<Snow-Man>So if you split frontend and backend and had the vidoe files on the backend you'd be fucked, more or less, unless you did an NFS export or something.
11:25<Conaz>So if it is experiencing the same problem, the problem must be with mysql
11:25<Snow-Man>I suppose that's both good and bad.
11:26<Chutt>snowman, heh
11:28<Snow-Man>Good because I'm guessing the mythtv communications doesn't include dolby digital audio and bad because it makes having seperate backend and frontend servers slightly harder. :)
11:29<Snow-Man>I guess I could do an NFS export to it.
11:29<Snow-Man>The frontend machine, that is.
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11:29<Chutt>yup
11:29* Snow-Manis starting to get tired of fighting with things.
11:29<Snow-Man>Getting tempted to just buy a cheap machine to be the frontend.
11:30<Snow-Man>Or use a machine I have already and toss the appropriate parts in it.
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11:33<Conaz>PeteCool: You might try running the query from the fetchMovieListings function (in functions.php) right in the mysql client
11:34<rkulagow__>chutt: can you please sync CVS docs to website?
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11:37<rkulagow__>thor: you here? what's the link that you posted about that case you were thinking about getting?
11:37<rkulagow__>[10:34] <rkulagow__> chutt: can you please sync CVS docs to website?
11:37<mdz>Snow-Man: NFS is pretty easy
11:38<Chutt>sure
11:39<Snow-Man>mdz: It's also not something I really like to run.
11:39<Chutt>my laptop just died again, so =)
11:39<Chutt>mdz, snowman is a security weenie
11:39<Snow-Man>Linux NFS also tends to suck ass.
11:39<Chutt>even if things are completely inside his own network
11:39<Snow-Man>Beyond just the security implications.
11:41<PeteCool>Chutt: any ideas how I can debug the incomplete conflicts/recorded lists?
11:42<mdz>Snow-Man: er, you'd only be running it on your LAN
11:42<Chutt>petecool, not really
11:42<mdz>Snow-Man: and you could do it read-only
11:42<mdz>it doesn't get much better than that
11:42<Conaz>PeteCool, I'll help ya out with that
11:42<Conaz>PeteCool: give me a few though, gotta finish up some real work
11:43<Snow-Man>mdz: Yeah, yeah.
11:43<mdz>Snow-Man: my frontend/backend is diskless, so I don't have much choice :-)
11:43<Snow-Man>Chutt: mythtv doesn't do more than stereo for audio, does it?
11:43<Chutt>TV doesn't do more than stereo for audio
11:43<Chutt>unless you're talkin 'bout hdtv
11:43<Snow-Man>I know that. :P
11:44<Snow-Man>I didn't know hdtv did more, actually.
11:44<Snow-Man>In any case I was talking about mythtv. :)
11:44<Chutt>mythtv only does tv.
11:45<Snow-Man>So that'd be a 'no' then.
11:45<Chutt>exactly
11:45<Chutt>it doesn't need to do more
11:46<Snow-Man>Does mythweb use the frontend/backend communications mechanism?
11:46<Chutt>yes
11:46<Snow-Man>mdz: I guess I'm a little suprised your backend is diskless.
11:47<Chutt>mdz's weird
11:47<Snow-Man>mdz: NFS has been working alright with that amount of data?
11:47<mdz>Snow-Man: I have digital cable, so the backend is where the converter box is
11:47<Snow-Man>Having to be written that quickly..
11:48<Snow-Man>mdz: Ah, well, I guess that makes sense.
11:48<Chutt>it's not that much data
11:48<Chutt>really
11:48<mdz>Snow-Man: and I want it to be quiet
11:48<mdz>yeah, it really isn't
11:48<mdz>there's a bit of latency when bits of myth get pushed out of cache
11:48<Snow-Man>Hmm, I suppose not if it's getting mpeg-4's and whatnot.
11:48<mdz>for UI stuff
11:48<Snow-Man>Hate that (latency).
11:49<Snow-Man>Wish my tuner changed channels faster. :)
11:49<Chutt>once you've got a bunch of stuff recorded
11:49<Chutt>you really will do less channel changing
11:50<Snow-Man>Hmmm, yeah, that's true. I really need to get in and play with recording stuff.
11:50* Snow-Mannotes atm he's got mythbackend just running at home watching TV w/ no one home. :)
11:50<Chutt>heh
11:50<Snow-Man>Can you add stuff to be recorded and shit remotely at all?
11:51<Chutt>that's the whole point of mythweb
11:51<Snow-Man>Oh, errr.
11:51<Snow-Man>ok, I was thinking 'web browser on tv'
11:51<Chutt>rkulagow, docs updated
11:51<Snow-Man>ie: WebTV or whatever style.
11:51<Chutt>naw
11:51<Chutt>i don't really know why people think that =)
11:51<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, got that impression from the wired article and the name.
11:52<Snow-Man>"I want something that does all this stuff in one"
11:52<Chutt>the wired guy got confused
11:52<Chutt>yea yea
11:52<Snow-Man>ah.
11:52<Chutt>go write a web browser
11:52<Snow-Man>haha.
11:52<Chutt>using konq/e, probably, would be easiest
11:53<Snow-Man>Hmm, so, might have to play with mythweb earlier than I had originally planned. :)
11:54<Snow-Man>I don't suppose you can use mythweb to tell it to stop playing live tv, eh? :)
11:54<Chutt>nope
11:54<Chutt>just kill the backend
11:54<Chutt>and frontend
11:54<Chutt>and remove any stale ipc segments
11:54<Snow-Man>Can't just kill the frontend?
11:54<Chutt>should work
11:54<Chutt>but to be safe..
11:54<Snow-Man>heh, yea.
11:54<Chutt>it doesn't always get killed in a good place
11:55<Snow-Man>signal handler can't handle getting killed everywhere or no signal handler? :)
11:56<Snow-Man>oh, yeah, and what's with all these defunct mythbackend processes?
11:56<Snow-Man>Is that gdb's fault?
11:56<Chutt>of course
11:56<Snow-Man>Figures.
11:57<Snow-Man>Now, I can restart the backend and it'll just basically sit there idleing.
11:57<Snow-Man>Alright, time to go compile mythweb.
11:58<PeteCool>Snow-Man: what you just said is kind of funny ;)
11:58<PeteCool>mythweb is php code, it needs apache + mod_php, not a compile
11:59<Snow-Man>I had to build the package but whateva'.
11:59<Snow-Man>Damnit, that's right, the channel list is still fucked.
12:00* Snow-Manwonders about forwarding mythtv-setup from home to wor.
12:00<Snow-Man>+k
12:00<Chutt>should work fine
12:00<Chutt>but you can just talk to the mysql db remotely, as well
12:00<Snow-Man>Should suck up bw like a mofo.
12:00<moegreen>Chutt: what's up?
12:01<Chutt>moegreen, have you ever seen the epg do the category colors wrong?
12:01<Chutt>like, they change when scrolling around
12:01<Snow-Man>I wonder how well my cvs debs would work on my work box. :)
12:01<rkulagow__>chutt: thanks.
12:02<moegreen>Chutt: I think I may have seen it once or twice, but it wasn't consistent and rarely happened. Has it become an increasing problem?
12:02<Chutt>moegreen, it happens fairly often for me
12:03<Chutt>i'm going to look into that if i have time today
12:03<Chutt>but i was just wondering if you'd seen it or not
12:06<moegreen>Chutt: not recently
12:08<moegreen>Chutt: Is the release still going to go down tonight?
12:08<Chutt>yup
12:08<Chutt>i've just got some junk to finish up for work, first
12:12<Chutt>you ok with that? =)
12:12<moegreen>Chutt: I will allow it :)
12:14<moegreen>Chutt: If I make up some thumbnails for MythVideo can we add that to the features and screenshots page?
12:14<Chutt>sure
12:14<Chutt>just email em to me
12:14<moegreen>k
12:18<rkulagow__>lets see. people using an alpha-level driver with a cvs-level piece of software are saying that the install guide isn't newbie friendly. sigh.
12:18<Chutt>heh
12:18<Chutt>i just sent out another response in that thread
12:20<rkulagow__>plus, their distro of choice does all sorts of weird stuff that makes installation of alpha driver "interesting".
12:20<PeteCool>Chutt: what php version are you using with mythweb?
12:21<Chutt>whatever's in debian unstable
12:47<Chutt>rkulagow, the mythweb time parsing stuff's fixed (that you just responded to)
12:47<rkulagow__>ah, cool.
12:48<Snow-Man>Hrm, release tonight?
12:48<Snow-Man>Mebbe I replace relay server before that? :)
12:48<Chutt>whenever you want, really
12:49<Snow-Man>God damn the frontend is big.
12:49<Chutt>compiled size?
12:49<Snow-Man>Well, deb size.
12:49<Chutt>did you compile in debug mode? :p
12:49<Snow-Man>The backend was like 4.8M, the frontend was 13M.
12:49<Snow-Man>Well, sure. :)
12:49<Chutt>that's why, of course
12:50<Snow-Man>yea, I know.
12:50<Chutt>well, that and the theme size
12:50<Snow-Man>I might be able to get home early and install the relay server.
12:51<Chutt>no rush, really
12:51<Chutt>the release won't generate that many more emails :p
12:52* Snow-Manshrugs.
12:52<Snow-Man>It's a good excuse at the same time.
12:52<Chutt>ok
12:52<Snow-Man>We'll see if it happens. :)
12:53<Snow-Man>erp, I installed 'da wrong shit.
12:55<PeteCool>Chutt: I downgraded from php4.3.2 to php4.3.1 and now mythweb is all fine... very weird
12:56<Snow-Man>Errrrrrr.
12:57<Chutt>snowman, are you breaking stuff?
12:57<Snow-Man>Shit, mysql ain't listening.
12:58<Snow-Man>Chutt: Not really, why?
12:58<Chutt>just curious =)
12:58<Snow-Man>I'm fighting with getting mythtv-setup to work from my box at work so I can fix the channel listing and then see about this mythweb thing.
12:58<Snow-Man>mysql isn't listening though.
12:59<Chutt>can't you just export the setup display?
12:59<Snow-Man>Yes, I probably could do that. You were the one who suggested this. :)
12:59<Snow-Man>err, :P
13:00<Snow-Man>grrr, and xhosting isn't being forwarded atm.
13:00<Chutt>um
13:00<Chutt>no, i didn't
13:01<Chutt>i suggested just talking directly to the db, not running the setup program on your work machine
13:01<Snow-Man>blah.
13:01<Snow-Man>I figured that's what you meant.
13:01<Chutt>since that works fairly well :p
13:02* Snow-Manattempts to run using X forwarding.
13:02<Snow-Man>Found 3 Xinerama Screens.
13:02<Snow-Man>Using first Xinerama screen, 1280x960+1280+0
13:03<Snow-Man>That's kinda cute.
13:04* Snow-Manwaits...
13:05<Snow-Man>I wish there was better program information available.
13:06<mdz>C++ + debugging symbols = fucking huge
13:06<Snow-Man>I'm tempted to say it'd at least *look* better with everything in one case.
13:07<Snow-Man>Though it'd probably be possible to 'intelligently' case stuff.
13:07* Snow-Manwonders how much longer he has to wait before the setup thing will show up.
13:08<rkulagow__>of course, i get mythbackend to segfault twice when pausing video, but recompile and run in gdb? runs forever.
13:08<Snow-Man>rkulagow__: I had the same problem..
13:08<mdz>I am running a debugging build right now because I had some backend crashes, too
13:08<mdz>and no crashes with this build
13:09<Chutt>i don't get crashes with a release build, so you're all on crack :p
13:09<Snow-Man>Ok, everyone swear at Chutt at the same time now...
13:09<Snow-Man>hahaha.
13:09<Chutt>and i'm running it on a crappy machine, so nyah
13:09<rkulagow__>my problem is that with backend and frontend running compiled there's too much overhead. i've got to try to get a DEBUG version of mythbackend and a straight-up version of mythfrontend going.
13:09<mdz>maybe it's a compiler thing
13:10<mdz>rkulagow__: instead of using config = debug, just change the release flags
13:10<Snow-Man>sfrost@snowman:/home/sfrost/debs/src/mythtv> gcc --version
13:10<Snow-Man>gcc (GCC) 3.3 (Debian)
13:10<mdz>that way Qt doesn't slow down ot a crawl
13:10<mdz>nor libavcodec
13:10<rkulagow__>mdz: release flags in settings.pro?
13:10<Snow-Man>Damnit, how long is it gonna take for this thing to show up?
13:11<Chutt>shouldn't be doing anything special
13:11<Snow-Man>Chutt: Alright, your suggestion was to just play with the database directly?
13:11<Chutt>should show up pretty fast
13:11<Chutt>yup
13:11<Snow-Man>Well, it ain't showing up at all.
13:11<mdz> DEFINES += MMX
13:11<mdz> QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_RELEASE = -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer
13:11<mdz>er
13:11<mdz> QMAKE_CXXFLAGS_RELEASE = -O3 -march=pentiumpro -g
13:11<mdz>and -DMMX
13:12<mdz>is what I'm running with right now
13:12<Snow-Man>For playing with the database- I'm guessing it's not quite as straight-forward. :)
13:12<mdz>I see no performance difference between that and the defaults
13:12<Chutt>yeah
13:12<mdz>and it is debuggable
13:12<mdz>(modulo function inlining)
13:13<Snow-Man>Doesn't mythtv-setup just run some scripts which muck with the database?
13:14<Chutt>nope
13:14<Snow-Man>Damn.
13:14* Snow-Mangoes back to making mysql listen on it's port.
13:15<Chutt>uncommenting a single line is so hard! =)
13:15<Chutt>'course, you probably have to open up holes elsewhere
13:15<Chutt>redirect traffic
13:15<Chutt>=)
13:15<Chutt>why not just ssh to that machine and run the mysql command line client from there? =)
13:16<Snow-Man>erm.
13:16<Snow-Man>I get the impression you're not quite getting what I'm trying to do..
13:16<Chutt>you want to modify some stuff in the db
13:16<Chutt>you're at work, the db is at your house
13:17<Snow-Man>No, I want to wholesale select a different channel listing.
13:17<Chutt>oh
13:17<Chutt>just ssh in and run tv_grab_na --configure --config-file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/blah.xmltv
13:17<Chutt>the --config-file is probably not the right option name
13:18<Snow-Man>Damnit, that's what I was meaning by it just running some script
13:19<Snow-Man>erm, I guess I need to find another option to pass it.
13:19<Chutt>well, read the help text
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13:25<Snow-Man>Alright, looks like I got the right lineup this time.
13:25<Snow-Man>What I need to do after the tv_grab?
13:25<Snow-Man>And have you heard of tuners that suck above like 85? ie: it doesn't seem to work..
13:26<Chutt>well, how much higher?
13:26<Snow-Man>86, 87, 88, etc
13:26<Chutt>well, unless they're digital channels, they should work
13:27<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, they weren't for me, iirc they all looked like channel 85 but I'm not sure.
13:27<Chutt>snowman, you need to clear out your channel and program tables
13:27<Chutt>then run mythfilldatabase
13:27<Snow-Man>I was just looking at that.
13:31<Snow-Man>Just truncate channel, channel_dvb(?), program and programrating(?)?
13:31<Snow-Man>Then run mythfilldatabase with --file?
13:32<Snow-Man>Maybe update videosource 'cause I changed the name of the file too.
13:33<Snow-Man>Or maybe I'll just change videosource and run mythfilldatabase and see what happens. :)
13:35<Chutt>just clear out all those
13:35<Chutt>update videosource
13:35<Chutt>and run mythfilldatabase without any options
13:35<Snow-Man>ok.
13:42<Snow-Man>God damnit, now php4 is being a bitch.
13:45<Snow-Man>Oh, great, it's a combination of apache and mozilla fuckage.
13:47<Snow-Man>I should be going to main.php, right?
13:47<Chutt>isn't there an index.php
13:47<Snow-Man>Nope.
13:47<Conaz>Just main.php
13:47<Snow-Man>And the main thing keeps trying to be downloaded.
13:48<Snow-Man>Though the other php files are being run.
13:48<Snow-Man>And I can't seem to change that.
13:48<Snow-Man>There we go, fucking piece of shit.
13:49<Snow-Man>Storage: 26.6 GB used out of 73.4 GB total
13:49<Snow-Man>That's kind of silly.
13:50<Conaz>Did you need to put a / at hte end of hte url?
13:50<Snow-Man>No, I had to use a different URL to get to the same thing.
13:50<Snow-Man>mozilla had cache'd that apache was being stupid initially.
13:51<Conaz>ahh
13:51<Conaz>perhaps that was my problem initially too, had the same thing happen
13:51<Conaz>been working great ever since
13:52<Snow-Man>I wonder why I don't see times in the listings.
13:54<Snow-Man>like, they should be there, right?
13:54<Snow-Man>The screenshot has them. :(
13:55<Snow-Man>I just have the date and then the boxes under it are all empty.
13:55<Snow-Man>functions.php 1.15 12 hours ijr Fix the time parsing.
13:55<Snow-Man>HMMMM.
13:57<Chutt>that's something totally different.
13:57<Snow-Man>So I see since it didn't fix it.
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13:57* Snow-Manchecks the page source..
13:57<rkulagow__>chutt: you're running 4/8 Mbps for PVR-250, right?
13:57<Chutt>i'm running 4.5/6
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13:58<Chutt>at 480x480
13:58<rkulagow__>ah, ok. thanks.
13:58<rkulagow__>did you do the dnr=0 thing, or do you not have the ghosting issue with your firmware / card?
13:58<Snow-Man>Hmm, nope, doesn't appear to be in the page source either.
13:59<Chutt>i did to the dnr = 0 thing, but i just modifed the driver source
13:59<rkulagow__>got it.
14:00<rkulagow__>chutt: you're waiting for the API to settle down first before incorporating this into Myth, correct?
14:00<Chutt>yup
14:01<rkulagow__>ok
14:05<Snow-Man>Alright, unixtime is being set but humantime isn't.
14:06<Snow-Man>sqltime is being set too, hmm.
14:07<Snow-Man>It's not picking up the $GLOBALS['time_format']; thing.
14:11<Snow-Man>There we go.
14:11<Snow-Man>Silly debian config files.
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14:19<emacsen>Whoever writes a MythTV module for a Icom PCR-1000 gets my everlasting thanks
14:19<Snow-Man>hah.
14:19<emacsen>why ha?
14:19<Snow-Man>Time to find something to record tho.
14:20<Snow-Man>Why not?
14:20<emacsen>a shortwave PVR would be cool
14:20<Snow-Man>Oh, hey, I actually have a Date now too, that's nice.
14:20<Snow-Man>I could record russion news..
14:20<emacsen>Zactly
14:21<Snow-Man>Chutt: I don't suppose you could quantify bw usage of mythtv for, like, mpeg-4, 3500ish, for the frontend->backend communication?
14:21<Snow-Man>I'm guessing it's probably more than my ADSL could handle/
14:21<Snow-Man>?
14:21<Snow-Man> :)
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14:23<mdz>Snow-Man: it translates pretty exactly from the bitrate of the video stream
14:24<mdz>Snow-Man: so 3500kbit/sec -> 3500kbit/sec
14:24<Snow-Man>What about the audio..?
14:24<Snow-Man>The same I guess?
14:24<Chutt>yup
14:24<Snow-Man>ok.
14:25<Snow-Man>I'm guessing it wouldn't look too nice at 384Kbit/sec, eh? :)
14:25<Chutt>nope
14:25<Snow-Man>hehe.
14:26<Snow-Man>Using composite out I can kind of see some of the compression effects.. I'm guessing using svideo wouldn't change that issue, would it?
14:26<Chutt>you can always up the bitrate
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14:26<Chutt>or sit further from the tv :p
14:26<Snow-Man>Yeah, I know I can.
14:26<Snow-Man>haha.
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14:27<Chutt>it also helps to change the brightness/contrast a little
14:27<Chutt>but be careful while doing that
14:27<Snow-Man>hmmm, ok.
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14:30<Snow-Man>Damnit, return to listings should go back to where I was.
14:31<rkulagow__>is debian-sid == unstable / testing version of debian?
14:31<Snow-Man>sid is unstable
14:32<rkulagow__>so, it's like mandrake cooker, where stuff is being updated / integrated, correct?
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14:34<kiwi_uk>Anyone alive?
14:35<mdz>rkulagow__: it is anything and everything that was uploaded the previous day
14:37<kiwi_uk>Right.. .anyone know if cable and terrestrial TV frequencies overlap?
14:40<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, should be able to filter out channels in mythweb.
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14:45<jungle>hi, im having a problem with mythtv. I have scheduled a recording, and it apparently recorded it, but when i goto the playback menu to watch it, it says File is missing. I have checked the different paths and stuff, and i can find the file (.nuv), but i keep getting that File is missing error message, any ideas?
14:45<Chutt>jungle, did you change hostnames of the machine?
14:45<Chutt>and did you set the things in the first screen of setup properly?
14:46<jungle>Chutt: no, i havent changed the hostname, and yes i do believe i have setup all the things in the setup program correctly (including the paths)
14:47<Chutt>that's where the issue will be
14:47<Chutt>quite possibly the address of the master backend is wrong
14:48<jungle>i just checked, the address is correct.
14:48<Chutt>oh well
14:48<Chutt>stick a debugging statement in the source before it prints out the file is missing stuff
14:48<Chutt>should be extremely easy to see what it's doing wrong
14:50<rkulagow__>mdz: thanks. i'm trying to decide if i'm being inconsistent with docs and the "stable / unstable" issue where i didn't add ray o's irsend comment because it was for lirc 0.7pre1 on debian sid.
14:51<Chutt>you're fine :p
14:51<Chutt>if he wants to author a section for unstable and keep it up to date, i'd say let him
14:51<Chutt>but don't worry 'bout it yourself
14:52<Chutt>Added on: 16-Mar-2003 Downloads: 20619
14:52<Chutt>=)
14:55<mdz>I am no longer reading any message whose subject appears more than once in mutt's index view
14:55<Chutt>heh
14:55<mdz>Mr. "Pyroman[FO]" apparently thought it necessary to resend his message twice in order to re-justify the paragraphs
14:58<Chutt>i also sent a message saying he was having dns problems
14:58<Chutt>thus the triple post
14:58<mdz>I'll remember that next time I have a DNS problem
14:58<mdz>note to self: send 3 copies of all email
15:01<Chutt>hrm
15:01<Chutt>i need to make it more obvious that the separate modules are there
15:01<Chutt>they don't have nearly as many downloads as mythtv
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15:03<rkulagow__>i'm going to need to check up on the modules to see how they've changed relative to the 0.8 release. i think mythvideo has had an overhaul as has mythmusic, but mythgallery and mythweather have stayed stable, so the docs for that should be the same.
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15:18<Snow-Man>So, sounds like I might definitely be able to do the switch tonight provided my kid doesn't demand *all* of my time. :)
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16:34<rkulagow__>hi chutt. another sync between the website and CVS please?
16:37<thor>just got home ... anything pressing?
16:38<rcaskey>Chutt: will debs be available alongside the source release?
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16:57<PeteCool>rcaskey: you should be asking mdz about that
16:59<PeteCool>did nathan ziarek vanish or something? it's been a while since he's been here
17:07* rcaskeyis looking at buying a new box for myth
17:07<rcaskey>moved yesterday and one of my buddies sat on my motherboard
17:08<moegreen>heh
17:08<PeteCool>rcaskey: did you kick his ass? I would've ;)
17:08<rcaskey>it was a p3-800
17:08<PeteCool>a perfect frontend
17:08<rcaskey>worth maby a nasty scowel
17:08<rcaskey>PeteCool: yeah
17:09<rcaskey>but i need a thicker backend anyway and have a few good frontend machines
17:09<rcaskey>im trying to decide between one of those sleek spacewalker deals or wait and do hammer
17:09<rcaskey>seemed kinda expensive
17:09<PeteCool>a shuttle as backend? way too expensive IMO
17:09<rcaskey>tigerdirect seemed to have the best deal
17:09<rcaskey>PeteCool: well both together
17:11<PeteCool>rcaskey: I think a nemeiah with a pvr-250 would be better, but only is the X Cvs driver lets you control tv-out overscan
17:11<PeteCool>but it'd be more silent for sure
17:12<PeteCool>it'd be a bit cheaper too
17:12<rcaskey>PeteCool: I really kinda dont want to use a pvr250
17:12<rcaskey>iv already got an el-cheapo card and eventually I want to do hd stuff
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17:13<rcaskey>dont need tv out as im using a transcoder
17:13<rcaskey>which I really like beause it locks my set into digital mode
17:14<rcaskey>some of that win32 pvr software has been getting good reviews
17:14<rcaskey>and it allows you to save to mpeg, so thats pretty cool
17:14<rcaskey>slickstream or something like that
17:14<rkulagow__>snapstream
17:14<rkulagow__>there's also sage.tv
17:15<rcaskey>yaeh
17:16<rcaskey>I wonder if any of this stuff works with the hdtv pci cards
17:17<c0ol>where is the best site to find cases and such for a PVR?
17:18<rcaskey>is it possible to run Myth over just plaine ol' X
17:18<rcaskey>could probably get ahold of some pretty solid state X terminals
17:18<rcaskey>only problem is they wouldn't have ir
17:19<rcaskey>and that might could be solved with a radio remote
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17:21<mdz>rcaskey: I will have debs available very shortly after the release, unless I get tied up in other business
17:21<rcaskey>coo
17:22<rcaskey>mdz: is there any particularly reason you can't run Myth over just plaine ol X
17:22<mdz>rcaskey: search the mailing list archives; it comes up every week or so
17:22<mdz>summary: myth uses multiple windows, and therefore needs a window manager
17:23<rcaskey>mdz: no, I mean remoteyl
17:24<rcaskey>err remotely
17:24<rcaskey>ie. just export the thing
17:24<hachi>I remember somebody writing a WM in POE (I think) in the last year, maybe that would make an appropriate replacement that 'just works' in any situation
17:24<mdz>rcaskey: are you suggesting to try to push full-screen, NTSC-rate video plus X overhead over the network?
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17:25<rcaskey>mdz: yeah, would it be doable with gigabit?
17:25<mdz>rcaskey: you must be joking
17:26<rcaskey>mdz: nope
17:26<rcaskey>would it be possible/
17:26<mdz>in a word, no
17:26<rcaskey>ok
17:30<Chutt>moegreen, got the email
17:34<PeteCool>moegreen: see my screenshot of the weird cutdown in mythweather?
17:36<rcaskey>wasn't there some guy working on a windows media player plugin for myth a while ago?
17:37<thor>rcaskey, I got it going on a ThinkNIC, but it took some doing
17:37<rcaskey>thor: got what going?
17:37<thor>Myth
17:37<rcaskey>worth it?
17:38<thor>well ... a bit wobbly
17:38<thor>but you can pick them up for $50
17:38<rcaskey>hows performance?
17:38<thor>not great
17:38<thor>but I haven't fiddled with it enough
17:39<thor>thinking about adding a little touchscreen, hooking to the stereo
17:40<moegreen>PeteCool: yeah, which theme was that?
17:41<PeteCool>moegreen: SasQuatch
17:41<rcaskey>the 2400 xp for $120 on pricewatch looks like a deal\
17:41<moegreen>PeteCool: does it have it's own weather-ui.xml (in it's theme dir)?
17:42<PeteCool>moegreen: yes
17:42<moegreen>PeteCool: search for desc3 and see if there is a <mutliline>yes</multiline>
17:44<rcaskey>the only down side is no 6.1
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17:47<PeteCool>moegreen: multiline is set to yes for desc3
17:47<moegreen>PeteCool: what is the height (it should be the last number on the <area> line)
17:49<PeteCool>moegreen: 64
17:50<moegreen>PeteCool: try setting it to 72 and see if that fixes the problem, I think the line height is 35 per line, so it's trying to cut down the height by 1 line (I'm assuming the weather for that day was Scattered Thunderstorms)
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17:51<Chutt>rkulagow, docs updated
17:51<Chutt>moegreen, your screenshots are on there now, too
17:52<moegreen>Chutt: yeah I saw that, thanks. Everything looks good, except the old school OSD screenshots :P
17:52<Chutt>heh
17:52<Chutt>want to get a couple clean shots of blueosd?
17:53<moegreen>Chutt: I'll give it a shot
17:53<PeteCool>moegreen: still looks the same at 72... let me try something bigger. BTW I don't get a picture for what is on currently for region CAXX0301
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17:56<rkulagow__>chutt: thanks.
17:58<Chutt>moegreen, anything else you'd want in that short description of mythvideo?
17:59<moegreen>Chutt: no, that sounds about right
18:03<thor>Chutt, I have a tiny fix to VolumeControl to make it work as one would expect .... should I hold off on the commit?
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18:09<rkulagow__>thor: is there some way of knowing which visualization i'm looking at in mythmusic (without recompiling, or restricting each in the mythmusic setup?)
18:09<thor>uhm, they each look different?
18:09<thor>ah
18:10<thor>no ....
18:10<Chutt>thor, just commit it
18:10<thor>k
18:10<rkulagow__>if i'm looking at the "bars", that's ==
18:10<thor>Spectrum
18:10<Chutt>stereoscope
18:10<Chutt>err, bars is spectrum
18:11<Chutt>something that looks like == is stereoscope =)
18:11<thor>wiggly line scope
18:11<thor>gears ... uhm gears
18:11<rkulagow__>is synthaesia the one that sometimes looks like a black hole, and sometimes like you're zooming over a trippy landscape?
18:12<rcaskey>You got to be careful with those vizualizations ..."What do you see? I see a father killing his son..."
18:12<rkulagow__>that one makes my eyes bleed.
18:12<rkulagow__>but my 6 month old daughter likes it.
18:12<Chutt>rkulagow, synaesthesia is on the webpage, full-sized
18:12<Chutt>it looks more like an ink-blot test
18:12<Chutt>with colors
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18:13<Chutt>you're probably thinking of goom
18:13<rkulagow__>could be. i guess i'll have to iterate through them then...
18:13<thor>no iterate
18:13<thor>random hops
18:13<rkulagow__>well, maybe not then:
18:13<rkulagow__>goom/zoom_filter_mmx.c: In function `zoom_filter_mmx':
18:13<rkulagow__>goom/zoom_filter_mmx.c:63: error: invalid `asm': invalid constraints for operand
18:13<rkulagow__>{standard input}: Assembler messages:
18:13<rkulagow__>{standard input}:171: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `movd'
18:13<rkulagow__>{standard input}:245: Error: expecting operand before ','; got nothing
18:13<rkulagow__>make[1]: *** [zoom_filter_mmx.o] Error 1
18:13<rkulagow__>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mythtv/mythmusic/mythmusic'
18:13<thor>hit the 6 key
18:13<just1nux>What happens to the info in listings that tell if a program is new or a repeat? Does xmltv not capture this info or is it not provided by the source or what?
18:13<rkulagow__>make: *** [sub-mythmusic] Error 2
18:14<mdz>rkulagow__: gcc -v
18:14<rkulagow__>[mythtv@livingroom mythmusic]$ gvv -c
18:14<rkulagow__>-bash: gvv: command not found
18:14<rkulagow__>[mythtv@livingroom mythmusic]$ gcc -v
18:14<rkulagow__>Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux-gnu/3.3/specs
18:14<rkulagow__>Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --with-slibdir=/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --enable-long-long --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-languages=c,c++,ada,f77,objc,java --host=i586-mandrake-linux-gnu --target=i586-mandrake-linux-gnu --with-system-zlib
18:14<rkulagow__>Thread model: posix
18:14<rkulagow__>gcc version 3.3 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3-1mdk)
18:15<thor>./configure ?
18:15<rkulagow__>thor: [mythtv@livingroom mythmusic]$ ./configure --enable-fftw --enable-opengl --enable-sdl
18:15<rkulagow__>Creating config.h, config.pro
18:15<rkulagow__>Configuration settings:
18:15<rkulagow__> OpenGL support will be included
18:15<rkulagow__> FFTW support will be included
18:15<rkulagow__> SDL support will be included
18:16<thor>hrm
18:16<thor>some assembler stuff (?) well beyond my knowledge .... Chutt ... mdz ?
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18:24<mdz>rkulagow__: I haven't built mythmusic with 3.3
18:24<mdz>rkulagow__: the inline assembler could very well be broken
18:26<Chutt>i've compiled it with 3.3, though
18:26<Chutt>works fine
18:27<Chutt>rkulagow, sure that's current cvs mythmusic?
18:27<Chutt>that's similar to an older error
18:32<thor>one annoying key thing ....
18:32<thor>tv uses PageUP to go forward in time
18:32<thor>music uses PageDown to forward in list
18:33<thor>tough to map to remote
18:33<thor>not for 0.9 I guess
18:37<rkulagow__>chutt: cvs mythmusic; just did a cvs update and no files were changed
18:38<thor>rkulagow, does it at least compile if you do just ./configure
18:39<rkulagow__>let me check.
18:39<rkulagow__>(compiling now)
18:44<rkulagow__>thor: nope. it still goes into the directory to compile, even if it's not specced in the configure.
18:44<rkulagow__>gcc -c -pipe -Wall -W -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/lib/qt3/include -o zoom_filter_mmx.o goom/zoom_filter_mmx.c
18:44<rkulagow__>goom/zoom_filter_mmx.c: In function `zoom_filter_mmx':
18:44<rkulagow__>goom/zoom_filter_mmx.c:63: error: invalid `asm': invalid constraints for operand
18:44<rkulagow__>{standard input}: Assembler messages:
18:44<rkulagow__>{standard input}:171: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `movd'
18:44<rkulagow__>{standard input}:245: Error: expecting operand before ','; got nothing
18:45<rkulagow__>make[1]: *** [zoom_filter_mmx.o] Error 1
18:45<rkulagow__>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mythtv/mythmusic/mythmusic'
18:45<rkulagow__>make: *** [sub-mythmusic] Error 2
18:45<rkulagow__>[mythtv@livingroom mythmusic]$
18:45<thor>hrm
18:45<rkulagow__>moegreen: got your update, added to docs.
18:47<thor>seeing if I can fix ... cvs is *really* slow
18:47<moegreen>rkulagow__: thanks
19:07<rkulagow__>chutt, mdz: does the error message i posted with goom faulting mean anything to you?
19:08<mdz>rkulagow__: yes, but it doesn't happen here
19:08<mdz>which means it's probably your build environment
19:09<rkulagow__>ack, that's what i was afraid of.
19:09<thor>good, cause putting in a mountain of ifdef's is not a good thing
19:09<rkulagow__>to me, all that assembler is even deeper magic than the C++ code in the rest of mythtv.
19:12<thor>rkulagow, this on the pundit?
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19:12<rkulagow__>yes
19:12<thor>CPU?
19:12<rkulagow__>celeron 2.4Ghz (400 Mhz FSB)
19:12<rkulagow__>[mythtv@livingroom mythmusic]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
19:12<rkulagow__>processor : 0
19:12<rkulagow__>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
19:12<rkulagow__>cpu family : 15
19:12<rkulagow__>model : 2
19:12<rkulagow__>model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz
19:13<rkulagow__>stepping : 7
19:13<rkulagow__>cpu MHz : 2421.611
19:13<rkulagow__>cache size : 128 KB
19:13<rkulagow__>fdiv_bug : no
19:13<rkulagow__>hlt_bug : no
19:13<rkulagow__>f00f_bug : no
19:13<rkulagow__>coma_bug : no
19:13<rkulagow__>fpu : yes
19:13<rkulagow__>fpu_exception : yes
19:13<rkulagow__>cpuid level : 2
19:13<rkulagow__>wp : yes
19:13<rkulagow__>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm
19:13<rkulagow__>bogomips : 4836.55
19:14<thor>hrm
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19:27<mdz>Chutt: lots of theora activity the past couple of weeks, alpha 2 up now
19:30<Chutt>amazing
19:32<dopez>i've tried added tv_grab_nl to mythtv, and uploaded a patch at http://www.xs4all.nl/~dopez/ , could someone tell me if the patch is made ok? (i've just done a diff -r olddir newdir )
19:32<Chutt>the file's 403.
19:33<dopez>http://www.xs4all.nl/~dopez/tv_grab_nl.patch this one perhaps?
19:33<Chutt>.... still 403.
19:33<Chutt>since it's the same file
19:33<Chutt>the directory's readable
19:33<dopez>oic, i forgot permissions, one moment
19:34<dopez>now it should work
19:34<Chutt>diff -ur olddir newdir
19:34<Chutt>will produce something that's quite a bit more readable
19:35<dopez>ok
19:36<dopez>new patch uploaded ;)
19:37<Chutt>ok
19:37<Chutt>looks fine, now
19:37<Chutt>i'll get it applied
19:37<dopez>thanks ;)
19:38<dopez>one suggestion tho, only xmltv from cvs seems to work best with tv_grab_nl, lots of problems with stop and starting times on www.tvgids.nl
20:03<dopez>(just did a final test, i made the patch a few days ago and didnt update cvs for about 2 days, but it all works just fine, patch/compile/setup/filldatabase etc)
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20:03<Chutt>oh, it's already in cvs
20:04<dopez>seems allot of other patches are in too, another 10minutes compiling ;(
20:08<Chutt>there
20:08<Chutt>all done
20:12<Chutt>mdz, cvs is tagged as release-0-9
20:13<Chutt>i'll build tarballs in a bit
20:21<bline>yay for release
20:21<thor>yeah
20:22<bline>Someone going to slashdot it?
20:24<Chutt>i wasn't planning on it :p
20:27* radsaqgoes
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20:28<radsaq>I am user #12 on slashdot, after all!
20:28<Chutt>heh
20:28<Chutt>it's not released yet
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20:28<TheAsp>woah!!!
20:29<TheAsp>Ok, remember that thing where myth would grind my disks while recording?
20:29<TheAsp>welll it's stopped
20:29<TheAsp>what changed?
20:29<Chutt>i dunno
20:29<Chutt>nothing? =)
20:29<TheAsp>this is from june 6th
20:29<Chutt>current cvs, or slightly older
20:29<TheAsp>previous build did it
20:29<Chutt>yeah, i had the sync() out then
20:29<TheAsp>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2920580 Jun 6 00:54 /opt/mythtv/bin/mythbackend*
20:30<Chutt>i put it back, though
20:30<TheAsp>ok, then why is it back. :P
20:30<Chutt>since the lack of it causes problems
20:30<TheAsp>such as?
20:30<TheAsp>could it be lengthend?
20:30<Chutt>some kernels don't deal well with flushing stuff out to disk
20:30<Chutt>they'll wait until ram is full, then do it all at once
20:30<TheAsp>which ones?
20:30<Chutt>making you drop massive amounts of frames and stuff
20:30<Chutt>i dunno
20:31<Chutt>a bunch :p
20:31<TheAsp>recent?
20:31<Chutt>yup
20:31* TheAsploads up xemacs
20:31<TheAsp>uh
20:31<Chutt>you can always remove it if you want
20:31<TheAsp>just wondering if it's safe
20:31<Chutt>just search for sync() in NuppelvideoRecorder.cpp
20:31<TheAsp>i was like, damn, myth is broken, not recording anything
20:32<TheAsp>since libgtop2 is broken in sid, i dont have my cpu meter
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20:52<Snow-Man>God damn I've got alot of shit to do today.
20:52<TheAsp>Chutt: wouldnt an fsync be just as good?
20:52<Chutt>probably
20:53<Snow-Man>I'm not sure I'll get to replaceing relay tonight.
20:53<Snow-Man>I don't know if I'm even gonna get *started* on it.
20:53<Chutt>like i said, no problem :p
20:54<thor>Chutt, you want some MMusic screen shots?
20:54<TheAsp>(cvs should really list conflicts last or something)
20:54<Chutt>anything wrong with what's on the site?
20:54<Chutt>theasp, heh, yeah, it should
20:54<Snow-Man>Still have to call someone for daycare backup, throw some laundry on, fold clean laundry, empty the diaper genie, give Ryan a bath, try and get him to go back to sleep after that, possibly feed him, get the rest of the garbage out...
20:54<thor>Playing is out of date
20:54<Chutt>oh, sure
20:55<Chutt>send me a .png and a thumbnail .png of the right sizes
20:55<Chutt>i'll update em
20:55<thor>k
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21:00<dopez>is there anything i could try to get less dropped frames? (livetv @ 384x288 mpeg4 with mp3 audio on a P4 2.8ghz but still 'random' dropped frames) i ussually capture with mencoder and hardly have any dropped frames
21:00<TheAsp>ummm
21:00<TheAsp>on a p4?
21:01<Chutt>i highly doubt you're dropping frames unless you've not got dma turned on on your harddrive
21:02<dopez>dma is on for all harddisks, im kinda of suspecting either xfree86 or the nvidia binary drivers (using debian sid)
21:02<justin>what does vmstat say
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21:03<dopez>about 20% cpu load, and 300kb bo most of the time
21:03<mdz_>Chutt: let me know when you have tarballs
21:03<justin>do you mean 20 under the id column or 80
21:03<dopez> 4 0 144200 6288 42276 254928 0 0 0 300 426 2281 18 4 78 0
21:03<Chutt>mdz, they're up, just use 0.9 instead of 0.8 in the filename
21:04<dopez>78 idle
21:04<mdz_>stupid php crap
21:04<justin>dopez: try snice -17 mythbackend mythfrontend
21:05<TheAsp>my computer is sooo quiet now :P
21:06<dopez>i might have way too much running on this box (kde mainly ;) and allot of swap is used, tomorrow im getting some more memory so i can disable swap memory
21:06<Chutt>you shouldn't disable swap.
21:06<Chutt>mdz, heh
21:06<mdz_>blecch, conflicts
21:06<Chutt>sorry =)
21:06<TheAsp>real memory has better uses then holding those 100 daemons on startup
21:07<Chutt>exactly
21:07<dopez>justin: the snice seems to help a bit, still have a bit of jitter in playback tho, but a rewind and its smooth again
21:07<TheAsp>do you have xv going?
21:08<justin>dopez: that sounds like your drive can't keep up
21:09<dopez>xv is working (mplayer works with -vo xv , is that 'good enough' xv?)
21:09<dopez>justin: hd to slow?
21:11<justin>well if you said you rewound and then it played again
21:12<dopez>i think its still playing the video from cache, no block in (if i can believe vmstat)
21:13<mdz_>Chutt: the new gdb in unstable apparently has support for external debugging info
21:16<Chutt>external debugging info?
21:16<TheAsp>hmm
21:17<mdz_>Chutt: keeping the debugging info in a separate file from the object
21:17<rkulagow__>posted my gcc 3.3 / goom question to the mandrake cooker list, hopefully someone there can figure out why the compile is breaking since it works for mdz.
21:17<mdz_>Chutt: so if you had something installed, and then later wanted to debug it, you could install a separate package with the debug info
21:17<Chutt>ah
21:17<Chutt>cool
21:18<mdz_>very
21:18<mdz_>I think once the support is there I'll try shipping mythtv debugging stuff
21:19<rkulagow__>but it's still debugging after the fact, correct? it's not like it'll let you run the non-debug version for performance, get a segfault and be able to tell what happened, correct?
21:21<rkulagow__>i become amused when someone new to list posts a message that has 100% to do with a topic that has been raging for a few days but hasn't looked at the archive. (johnny swindle asking for RH9 / PVR250 handholding)
21:22<Chutt>thor, how do you spell your last name again?
21:22<Chutt>just got your email, btw
21:24<thor>Sigvaldason
21:24<thor>but you don't need to put that anywhere
21:24<thor>I get enough spam =)
21:24<Chutt>i wasn't going to put a link
21:24<Chutt>just your name :p
21:24<thor>k
21:28<dopez>well, frame drops aren't that bad (i think the snice helped a bit) but playback isnt really smooth, but i think it could be something with the nvidia (geforce4) card, also using dual screen ("MULTIPLE X SCREENS ON ONE CARD")
21:29<Chutt>turn on the experimental a/v sync and jitter correction stuff in the first page of the playback settings
21:29<rkulagow__>thor: what was the link to that case you posted yesterday or the day before here in IRC?
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21:30<thor>rkulagow, the Cooler Master 610/620 ?
21:31<rkulagow__>was that it? something from directron i think:?
21:31<thor>you sure that was me?
21:31<rkulagow__>ok, maybe it wasn't then. entirely possible. nm.
21:31<rkulagow__>(just like moegreen and "MIL", i suppose)
21:32<Chutt>there
21:32<Chutt>can anyone think of any changes i missed?
21:32<dopez>Chutt: doesnt seem to help, i'll try another video card tomorrow to see if that helps or another box for mythfrontend
21:32<Chutt>(webpage updated)
21:32<thor>yeah
21:33<thor>rkulagow, was it this: http://www.directron.com/atc600vx1.html
21:33<Chutt>i'm getting to the screenshots you just sent :p
21:34<thor>uhm ... updates?
21:34<thor>updated?
21:34<rkulagow__>you've got iulius.4 on one of the screenshots; did it ever get fully updated to the new UI interface after nziarek left?
21:34<Chutt>oh, it may take a few minutes for the cache to expire
21:34<Chutt>nope
21:34<Chutt>i'm going to leave the shots up, just as an example
21:35<rkulagow__>are you going to use ramon roca (?) photo theme?
21:35<Chutt>i'm going to put it up, yeah
21:36<rkulagow__>ok
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21:39<TheAsp>uh
21:39<TheAsp>is that 0.9?
21:39<mdz_>W: mythtv-frontend; Executable /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blue/mv-vbrowser.png with perms 0755 is not an ELF file or script.
21:39<Chutt>heh
21:39<Chutt>oops
21:39<TheAsp>where the hell have i been?
21:39<Chutt>theasp, it just came out
21:40<TheAsp>so whats next?
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21:40* radsaqgoes to slashdot
21:41<TheAsp>i'm doing something wrong with the file locking im trying to put in, not working out
21:42<rkulagow__>chutt: just updated docs to new version number and updated tarball names.
21:42<Chutt>i'll do a resync in a few minutes, then
21:42<Chutt>thanks =)
21:43<Chutt>actually
21:43<Chutt>few minutes = now
21:43<rkulagow__>cool.
21:44<rkulagow__>wonder what the delta is between release and slashdot posting?
21:45<Chutt>bah
21:45<Chutt>don't need a slashdot posting :p
21:53<dopez>brb
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21:53<bline>Have people started updating the themes?
21:54<Chutt>other than ramon's new one, no
21:54<Chutt>well
21:54<Chutt>i think the sasquatch one is mostly done
21:54<bline>I rather liked that one
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21:59<dopez>seems like using the nv driver helps allot, either that or allot less loaded in memory (konqueror with 10-20 tabs open, etc)
21:59<Chutt>rkulagow, hey, can you add a note to the howto about the suse -fPIC stuff?
21:59<Chutt>(if there's not one there already)
22:01<PeteCool_>Chutt: SasQuatch works nicely with cvs/0.9
22:02<dopez>but still dropped frames, and xfree86 sometimes takes more cpu load then mythbackend
22:03<PeteCool_>Chutt: do you still have the 0.8 theme files?
22:03<dopez>better get some sleep now, allready 4am, night all..
22:04<PeteCool_>Chutt: I'd like to try updating funhouse... but without the 0.8 tarball, it'll be VERy hard =)
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22:04<Chutt>yeah
22:04<Chutt>i'll make em available
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22:08<robertj>not even a change in topic for the release eh?
22:08<Chutt>topic hasn't changed ever =)
22:11<robertj>welp, Im in the market for new hardware after a buddy sat on my motherboard ;)
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22:27<rkulagow__>chutt: sure. what is the exact issue please?
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22:27<rkulagow__>(there's now a whole lot of Suse specific stuff in the existing HOWTO)
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22:28<Chutt>heh
22:28<Chutt>an error like:
22:28<Chutt>error: can't find a register in class 'BREG' while reloading 'asm'
22:29<Chutt>while compiling in the libavcodec subdir
22:29<Chutt>reason is because suse is distributing a broken qt
22:29<Chutt>fix is to edit the libs/libavcodec/Makefile and remove any -fPIC in there
22:30<Chutt>another thing that might be nice to add to the docs is a mention of the 'default' symlink in $QTDIR/mkspecs/
22:30<Chutt>since some dists don't add that
22:30<Chutt>(should be symlinked to linux-g++ most likely)
22:31<Chutt>geez
22:31<Chutt>157 downloads so far
22:32<bline>running qmake also fixes that
22:32<Chutt>true
22:32<Chutt>but either fix should be in the howto =)
22:32<mdz_>2 deb downloads already
22:32<bline>gentoo doesn't have that default symlink
22:32<rkulagow__>ok, just added the -fPIC thing into Troubleshooting.
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22:34<rkulagow__>brb.
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22:41<Chutt>composing freshmeat updates is always annoying
22:45<Snow-Man>Life's rough.
22:45* Snow-Manhas finished all the shit he had on his list.
22:45<Snow-Man>more-or-less.
22:46<Snow-Man>Going to bust out relay-to-be shortly and see about at least getting an OS on it.
22:47<Chutt>cool
22:47<Snow-Man>Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/recorded.php on line 79
22:47<Snow-Man>doh.
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22:47<Chutt>heh
22:47<Chutt>there, freshmeat announcement submitted
22:49<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, though it's right- nothing that I said to get recorded today did. :(
22:49<Chutt>any output from the backend?
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22:49<Snow-Man>Not much according to the logfile.
22:49<Snow-Man>2003-06-09 13:49:19 adding: snowman as a player 0
22:49<Chutt>might want to run that with -v
22:50<Snow-Man>a'ight.
22:50<Chutt>if live-tv works, though, so should recording
22:50<Chutt>since live tv _is_ just recording =)
22:50<Snow-Man>yea.
22:51* robertj_wonders how long it is until someone mentions .9 on /.
22:51<Snow-Man>I actually suspect the problem is something with updating the db with what to record.
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22:51<Chutt>snowman, that is the most likely thing
22:52<Snow-Man>8 rows in set (0.00 sec)
22:52<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, well, they're there at least.
22:52<Snow-Man>What's with chanid being +2k?
22:52<robertj_>btw, is the web front end missing any features? im pretty handy with php but havnet ever given it a try
22:52<Chutt>robertj, someone's rewriting the web frontend right now
22:52<Chutt>major thing missing is music stuff, though
22:52<robertj_>ahh
22:53<Snow-Man>Do I have to say how unintelligent that would be if that's an encoding of channel and source? :)
22:53<Chutt>snowman, multiple sources
22:53<Chutt>it's just an internal id
22:53<Snow-Man>Hrmpf.
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22:54<Snow-Man>I would have just kept two columns and dealt with it.
22:54<Chutt>well
22:54<Snow-Man>Anyhow, the db was updated with what to record.
22:54<Chutt>it's not really necessary
22:54<Snow-Man>Nothing in recorded tho.
22:54<Chutt>just needs to have a unique id
22:54<Chutt>well, next time a recording rolls around, be sure to have the backend running in -v mode
22:54<Snow-Man>The backend automagically checks the db every so often, right?
22:54<Chutt>every second
22:55<Snow-Man>Well, that seems a bit frequent, but, hey, whatever. :)
22:55<Chutt>yeah
22:55<Chutt>i knwo
22:55<Chutt>know
22:55<Snow-Man>Alright, running w/ -v, lemme set up a recording to happen at 11pm.
22:55<Chutt>ok
22:56<Snow-Man>Alright, done.
22:56<Snow-Man>And it's in the record table.
22:58<Snow-Man>So, chanid is, what, sourceid+channel?
22:58<PeteCool_>Chutt: think you could send me the tarball for funhouse to petecool@vl.videotron.ca when you have a sec please?
22:58<Chutt>not everwhere
22:58<Chutt>petecool, oh, right
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22:58<Chutt>give me a moment, i'll put em up on the webpage
22:58<Snow-Man>ok, just trying to make sure the db is consistant to some extent.
22:59<Chutt>snowman, for US people, yeah, it's sourceid * 1000 + channel id
22:59<Snow-Man>Though if you had constraints on this stuff... :)
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22:59<Kuwanger>Well, hmm. :/
23:00<Snow-Man>The backend ain't said shit.
23:00<Snow-Man>2003-06-09 22:55:29 Verbose mode activated.
23:00<Snow-Man>2003-06-09 22:55:29 Found changes in the todo list.
23:00<Kuwanger>"mysql < 0-8-to-0-9.sql
23:00<Kuwanger>ERROR 1142 at line 3: delete command denied to user: '@localhost' for table 'settings'"
23:00<Snow-Man>Mon Jun 9 23:00:30 EDT 2003
23:00<Snow-Man>:/
23:00<Chutt>snowman, weird
23:01<Chutt>it never says it's going to record anything?
23:01<Snow-Man>Nope.
23:01<rkulagow_>chutt: lost my scrollback when i moved my laptop. what was the second issue with the qmake link?
23:01<Timon>Kuwanger: Check the permissions for the user you are importing the sql script with
23:01<Chutt>rkulagow, some distros don't include a 'default' link in the mkspecs directory
23:02<Kuwanger>Timon: What should they be?
23:02<Snow-Man>Most things in the db appear to be empty atm.
23:02<Chutt>rkulagow, this can be fixed by either running 'qmake' before running 'make', or creating that link
23:02<Chutt>snowman, if you're bored, go add some debugging statements to programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp
23:02<Timon>Kuwanger: What line are you using to import the file? mysql mythconverg < 08-09.sql?
23:03<Timon>Kuwanger: It should be something like: mysql -u mythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg < 0-8-to-0-9.sql
23:03<Chutt>snowman, the end of 'FillRecordLists()' would be a good place to look, just stick a couple calls to 'PrintList()' in there
23:04<rkulagow_>ok, so on my system in /usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs i've got default -> linux-g++ is that the one that you're talking about?
23:04<Chutt>rkulagow, exactly
23:04<Kuwanger>mysql < 0-8-to-0-9.sql
23:04<Snow-Man>(gdb) p recordingList.size()
23:04<Snow-Man>$1 = 0
23:04<Snow-Man>Hmmm.
23:04<rkulagow_>ok, and if it's not there, then the compile will bomb out, and to fix it you can make the link, or run qmake
23:04<Chutt>right
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23:05<Kuwanger>Timon: Worked.
23:05<Chutt>that's _only_ if it complains about not finding /full/path/to/mkspecs/default/qmake.spec or whatnot
23:05<Timon>Kuwanger: This is all in the documentation btw
23:05<Chutt>same stuff as before if it just complains about /mkspecs/default/qmake.spec
23:05<Chutt>ie, that's just QTDIR not being set
23:05<rkulagow_>hrmm. qmake won't work unless you're root though, right? on my box the perms won't let the user write to that directory.
23:06<Chutt>no, run qmake in the mythtv source dir
23:06<Chutt>it'll recreate the Makefile, and change it from 'default' in there to 'linux-g++' most likely
23:06<rkulagow_>ah, got it.
23:06<rkulagow_>i was going to whack the symlink and check to see what happens.
23:07<Chutt>yeah
23:07<Chutt>that'll show you what the error message is =)
23:07<Snow-Man>--- print list start ---
23:07<Snow-Man>Seinfeld 5 2005 "Mon Jun 9 23:00:00 2003" 2 3 2 -- 0 1 0
23:07<Snow-Man>--- print list end ---
23:07<Kuwanger>Timon: Uh, where?
23:07<rkulagow_>not having the default symlink can cause problems with compiling other Qt apps though, right? that seems like a fairly large error on the distro's part.
23:07<Chutt>rkulagow, it really depends
23:08<Chutt>it's only for distributed Makefiles with the directory hardcoded
23:08<Timon>Kuwanger: I dunno, I've seen comments in there about the db syntax. Never really paid attention to that part.
23:08<Snow-Man>(gdb) p secsleft
23:08<Snow-Man>$16 = -269
23:08<Snow-Man>haha.
23:08<Chutt>i should probably just remove the top level Makefiles
23:08<Chutt>and have the user gen em with qmake
23:08<Chutt>snowman, heh, so it's working now?
23:09<Snow-Man>Seems to be.
23:09<Snow-Man>Changing from None to RecordingOnly
23:09<Snow-Man>etc.
23:09<Chutt>weird
23:09<Chutt>what'd you do?
23:09<Snow-Man>Ran it in gdb and went through things slowly.
23:09<Chutt>hm
23:09<Snow-Man>Didn't run it with any options either.
23:09<Chutt>how'd you select the show to record?
23:09<Snow-Man>Had been running with:
23:09<Snow-Man>-v --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid
23:10<Snow-Man>I used mythweb to set up the recording.
23:10<Chutt>like
23:10<Snow-Man>I checked the db and the entry was there.
23:10<Snow-Man>Oh, record only this thing at this time
23:10<Chutt>maybe mythweb isn't announcing the change to the db properly
23:10<Snow-Man>Well, I saw the entry in there from cli client..
23:10<Chutt>right
23:11<Chutt>but the backend checks an entry in the settings table to see if there's anything new
23:11<Snow-Man>oh.
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23:12<Snow-Man>What entry would that be?
23:12<Kuwanger>Okay, seems a bit..err..broke.
23:12<Snow-Man>I'm not seeing anything obvious.
23:12<Chutt>RecordChanged
23:13<Snow-Man>mysql> select * from settings where value = 'RecordChanged';
23:13<Snow-Man>Empty set (0.00 sec)
23:13<Chutt>aah
23:13<Chutt>know what
23:13<Chutt>mythweb never creates that entry
23:13<Kuwanger>"kuwanger@kuwanger mythtv-0.9 $ make
23:13<Snow-Man>It's trying to update
23:13<Kuwanger>make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
23:13<Kuwanger>kuwanger@kuwanger mythtv-0.9 $ ll /usr/qt/3/mkspecs/
23:13<Kuwanger>total 4
23:13<Kuwanger>drwxr-xr-x 2 root users 4096 2003-02-05 17:23 linux-g++/
23:13<Kuwanger>kuwanger@kuwanger mythtv-0.9 $ ll /usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf
23:13<Kuwanger>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2142 2003-05-01 06:25 /usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf"
23:13<Chutt>it only just updates it
23:13<Snow-Man>Right.
23:13<Chutt>kuwanger, heh, that's just what i was talking about with rkulagow
23:13<Snow-Man>Stupid thing. :)
23:14<Chutt>kuwanger, just run 'qmake' in the source dir
23:14<Snow-Man>Bug in mythweb, or bug in cvs.sql?
23:14<Chutt>bug in mythweb
23:14<Kuwanger>Chutt: Fun.
23:14<Chutt>the normal program guide stuff creates the entry if needed
23:14<Snow-Man>Alright, I'll implement a fix there.
23:14<Kuwanger>Chutt: What's the source dir?
23:14<Timon>Kuwanger: I'm pretty sure thats in the docs aswell
23:14<Chutt>snowman, so, just go schedule something to be recorded from 'mythepg'
23:14<Timon>Kuwanger: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html
23:14<Chutt>timon, no, it's not
23:15<Kuwanger>Timon: ?
23:15<Snow-Man>bah, me fix mythweb.
23:15<Chutt>timon, this is a different issue
23:15<Chutt>kuwanger, the mythtv source dir you're compiling from
23:15<Snow-Man>There's no like 'insert or update' thing you can do, is there?
23:15<Kuwanger>Chutt: And qmake doesn't do anything.
23:15<Chutt>kuwanger, it remade the makefile
23:16<Chutt>so just run make again, and it should compile fine, now
23:16<Kuwanger>Chutt: It spit out a list of options.
23:16<Timon>Chutt: My bad, looks very similar to the issue with QTDIR not being set
23:16<Kuwanger>It didn't remake the make file.
23:16<Chutt>timon, right
23:16<Chutt>kuwanger, from the mythtv-0.9 dir?
23:16<Kuwanger>Timon: Ignoring there exists /usr/qt/3
23:16<Kuwanger>Chutt: Yep.
23:16<Chutt>ah well
23:16<Kuwanger>Chutt: Do I pass qmake something?
23:16<Chutt>other thing to do is just create a symlink from default -> linux-g++
23:17<Kuwanger>Right.
23:17<rkulagow_>chutt: uploaded.
23:17<Kuwanger>Might as well. :/
23:17<Chutt>in your /usr/qt/3/mkspecs dir
23:17<Chutt>kuwanger, that _should_ be there, but some stuff doesn't create it for some reason
23:18<Chutt>aaah
23:18<techniq>can someone help me with a compile issue I'm having (its happening during mythepg). I can post the error, but don't want to flood to many lines
23:18<Kuwanger>Chutt: I see.
23:18<Chutt>kuwanger, 'qmake mythtv.pro' would work
23:18<Chutt>also
23:18<Chutt>sorry about that
23:18<Kuwanger>Chutt: Okay.
23:18<Chutt>i forgot that it wouldn't work in a differently named directory
23:19<mdz_>Chutt: 8 downloads
23:19<Chutt>techniq, just paste the end of it
23:19<techniq>../../libs/libavformat/libavformat.a(asf.o)(.text+0x12fe): In function `asf_write_packet': : undefined reference to `av_rescale'
23:19<techniq>there is about 6-7 lines of these, then the usually error 1 stuff, etc
23:19<techniq>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:20<techniq>this line is directly above the Error 1 stuff
23:20<Snow-Man>2003-06-09 23:19:57 Found changes in the todo list.
23:20<Snow-Man>| RecordChanged | no | NULL |
23:20<Snow-Man>yay.
23:20<Snow-Man>Should hostname be set?
23:20<Chutt>techniq, do a make distclean
23:20<Chutt>snowman, nope
23:20<techniq>k
23:21<Snow-Man>You want my crappy diff?
23:21<Chutt>rkulagow, did you say to run 'qmake'?
23:21<Chutt>rkulagow, it should be 'qmake mythtv.pro', i'm sorry :(
23:21<rkulagow_>yes. it needs to be qmake mythtv.pro, right?
23:21<Chutt>right
23:21<techniq>Chutt, did so
23:21<rkulagow_>argh, typing in the dark is slower...
23:21<rkulagow_>standby
23:22<Chutt>techniq, that function it's complaining about is defined in libavcodec.a
23:22<techniq>i had noticed i had left off a few -fPIC's in the Makefile in the mythepg dir, but i took them out and still got the make error
23:22<Chutt>and it exists there
23:22<techniq>i c
23:24<Chutt>petecool, http://www.mythtv.org/oldthemes/[themename].tar.gz
23:24<Chutt>petecool, so, funhouse.tar.gz
23:25<techniq>Chutt: what do i need to do?
23:25<Chutt>techniq, the only place you should be removing -fPICs is from the libavcodec subdir
23:25<Chutt>nowhere else
23:25<techniq>i had done that
23:25<Chutt>otherwise, i don't know what's wrong
23:25<PeteCool_>Chutt: thanks
23:25<techniq>then when the other error came up, i took them out of the epg dir
23:25<techniq>k
23:26<techniq>let me re'tar and try again
23:26<techniq>probably messed up something
23:27<techniq>so just the 2 -fPIC in the file = libs/libavcodec/Makefile
23:27<Chutt>yup
23:27<techniq>k
23:27<techniq>thanks, i'll see what it does now
23:30<Snow-Man>strange error flushing buffer ...
23:30<Snow-Man>I get that alot. :
23:30<Snow-Man>:/
23:30<Chutt>read the faq, dummy
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23:36<Snow-Man>bah, faq's, yeesh. :)
23:36<Chutt>it's just liblame bitching about stupid stuff
23:36<Snow-Man>yea, so I saw.
23:36<Snow-Man>You told me that before too, I'm just being dense.
23:37<Chutt>oh yeah, i did, didn't i
23:37<Chutt>i should've been meaner, then
23:37<Snow-Man>haha.
23:37<Snow-Man>You want this mythweb patch or what? :)
23:37<Chutt>sure
23:38<Snow-Man>mkay, it ain't the prettiest thing.
23:38<Chutt><shrug>
23:38<Chutt>i'm not going to fix it
23:38<Chutt>you already did, so =)
23:39<Snow-Man>Sent
23:40<Chutt>are you going brit on us?
23:40<Snow-Man>hrm?
23:40<Chutt>'I can never remember which bloody email'
23:40<Snow-Man>bah.
23:40<rkulagow_>chutt: uploaded new docs with your requests incorporated.
23:40<Chutt>rkulagow, many thanks
23:41<rkulagow_>NP
23:41<rkulagow_>you know no one's going to read it, and it just means that bruce markey needs one more keyboard macro when he's responding in -users.
23:42<Chutt>heh
23:42<Chutt>hopefully people will
23:43<rkulagow_>yeah, sure, right. optimist!
23:43<rkulagow_>all they'll ask about are why the HOWTO doesn't have any RH9 and debian-sid docs...
23:43<Chutt>snowman, and why are you signing random email sent to me? :p
23:44<Chutt>i don't care if you're who you say you are
23:44<Snow-Man>I sign everything by default, duh.
23:44<Chutt>that set of changes looks fine
23:45<Snow-Man>k.
23:45<Chutt>i'm too lazy right now to commit it, though
23:45<Chutt>maybe tomorrow
23:45<Snow-Man>haha.
23:45* Snow-Manshrugs.
23:46<Chutt>272 downloads
23:46<Chutt>hasn't been announced anywhere at all
23:46<Chutt>not even my mailing list =)
23:46<Snow-Man>hehe.
23:53<Snow-Man>Hrmmm, that's not a good sound from a machine that's going to be doing lots of disk access.
23:55<PeteCool_>rkulagow_: could you update the gentoo software requirements in the howto, and replace the kde requirement with qt + window manager of choice (listing evilwm, oroborus and lwm as options - or... is this already listed higher in that page?)
23:55<PeteCool_>there's no point in having people download all those big source tarballs, and compiling for hours, when it's not even needed
23:56<Snow-Man>ok, good, just a wire-in-fan issue. :)
23:56<PeteCool_>I mailed the gentoo docs maintainer, haven't got an answer yet, though
23:57<rkulagow_>petecool: that part was written by tclark@telia.com; can you shoot him an email and cc me? if we don't hear from him within a reasonable amount of time (lets say thursday) then i'll go ahead and open the gentoo section to whoever wants to maintain it.
23:58* blineuses windowmaker and it works fine
23:58<bline>tiny compile
23:59<bline>Does it say in the docs for gentoo to put mysql in USE before compiling qt?
23:59<PeteCool_>rkulagow_: k, good
23:59<PeteCool_>bline: yes