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00:36<monkeyBox>I have a TV connected to my nvidia card through the svideo port. What's a good way to have mythtv run on that tv while keeping my normal desktop (without stretching my desktop or anything?)?
00:36<Timon>try setting things up with yanc
00:36<Timon>yanc.sourceforge.net
00:36<monkeyBox>yanc? never heard of it...
00:36<Timon>I have a somewhat similar setup, except I have a second monitor that I run myth on
00:37<Timon>yanc == yet another nvidia controller
00:37<extremis>Whats a good window manager to use with mythtv?
00:37<Timon>I use kde
00:37<Timon>I believe Issac using kde as well.
00:37<extremis>kde is too bloated
00:37<Timon>But some people like fvwm, blackbox, widowmaker
00:37<extremis>blackbox sounds good
00:37<Timon>kde works, and I'm not hurting for space or memory
00:39<monkeyBox>If you're just using mythtv (and only mythtv) you don't really need a wm (thoretically)
00:39<Timon>I believe this was addressed on the mailing list
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00:42<extremis>hrm, ok, so I ran /usr/share/mythtv/setup and I can't read the words beneith the config icons
00:42<extremis>I see 4 icons on my screen
00:42<extremis>all gears
00:43<extremis>and some tiny text beneith it
00:43<extremis>I don't think that is normal
00:43<Timon>Did you follow all the install instructions?
00:43<extremis>as far as I can tell
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00:43<extremis>I'm ont eh setup now
00:44<Timon>Dunno then.
00:44<extremis>hrm, there are redhat specirfic instructions but I'm using gentoo
00:47<extremis>it may be that the font is too small
00:48<extremis>I don't know how to fix that though
00:48<extremis>nothing in any logs
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00:51<Timon>Why don't you try adjusting small, medium, and large font in mythfrontend - setup - appearance
00:51<extremis>how I'm not even running mythbackend or mythfrontend yet
00:51<extremis>this is the first time setup
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00:52<extremis> /usr/share/mythtv/setup
00:52<extremis>it initializes everything
00:52<extremis>I would think by default it is setup to display on the tv where one could read it
00:52<extremis>I'm assuming that the fact that it isn't is a problem and not misconfig
00:54<mechou>Isaac, you there?
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00:54<extremis>hrm, emerge is compiling mythtv-0.8
00:54<extremis>and not 0.9.1
00:54<extremis>lame
00:55<extremis>is there not a 0.9.1 ebuild?
00:56<Timon>ebuilds, rpm, and debs are all created by people independant of the mythtv project.
00:56<extremis>well time to find out how to unmerge
00:56<Timon>Issac releases source tarballs, nothing more (That I'm aware of), nothing less
00:56<nooloo>extremis: emerge unmerge packagename
00:58<bline>someone has said there is a 0.9 ebuild on the gentoo bugzilla
01:00<nooloo>http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=13250&action=view
01:00<nooloo>i believe thats for .9.1
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01:04<extremis>hrm, looks generic
01:04<extremis>as if I could just rename the .ebuild to be mythtv-0.9.1.ebuild
01:05<extremis>hrm, nope
01:05<extremis> * Cannot find $EPATCH_SOURCE! Value for $EPATCH_SOURCE is:
01:05<extremis> *
01:05<extremis> * /usr/local/portage/media-video/mythtv/files/mythtv-gentoo.patch
01:05<nooloo>http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=13251&action=view
01:06<nooloo>thats the patch
01:07<extremis>swee, thank you
01:07<extremis>curl 'http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=13251&action=view' -o /usr/local/portage/media-video/mythtv/files/mythtv-gentoo.patch
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01:27<bdavis>How do I know what HSync and VRefresh rates to use when using a TV hooked up through SVideo? (xfree86 4.3.0, gf4 ti4200)
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01:29<extremis>damnit, the font is still too small to read
01:29<Chutt>have you run anything else with qt?
01:29<extremis>nope
01:29<Chutt>you've probably got it or X misconfigured somehow
01:31<ribo>hey i have an ATI tv card ( not all-in-wonder ) and all my channels are off, i.e. wrong numbers with the channels. and they all appear black and white. I can fine tune them for color in xawtv tho.
01:31<Chutt>ribo, check your kernel messages
01:31<bigguy>tuner=2?
01:31<Chutt>the tuner is getting autodetected as PAL, and you're in ntsc land
01:31<ribo>hmm
01:31<ribo>ok
01:32<Chutt>if you search the mythtv list archives for 'off by one' or 'canada cable'
01:32<ribo>so sould rmmod tuner; modprobe tuner ???=2
01:32<Chutt>you should get detailed instructions on how to fix it
01:32<extremis>heh, at 800x600 I can actually read it
01:32<extremis>but Its still small
01:32<Chutt>tuner type=2
01:32<ribo>Chutt: ahh ty
01:33<Chutt>extremis, yeah, you've got qt misconfigured or something
01:33<Chutt>did you build with xft support?
01:33<extremis>I emerged it
01:33<Chutt>ribo, and bttv tuner=2
01:33<extremis>xft?
01:33<extremis>thats not the server is it?
01:33<Chutt>it's x server, with a client library
01:33<Chutt>mmm... reasons to use a real distribution :p
01:34<extremis>like ?
01:34<Chutt>anything but something where you compile everything yourself
01:34<extremis>Chutt: gentoo runs faster :)
01:34<Chutt>no, it doesn't.
01:35<ribo>you mean bttv card=2 ?
01:35<extremis>when I said the server, I meant x font server
01:35<Chutt>ribo, no, tuner=2
01:35<Chutt>your card is probably 64 or something like that
01:35<ribo>ahh ok
01:36<extremis>ovitton root # emerge xft
01:36<extremis>Calculating dependencies ...done!
01:36<extremis>!!! Error: the >=x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r2 package conflicts with this package and both can't be installed on the same system together.
01:36<extremis>heh
01:36<extremis>xft = xfreetype library
01:36<Chutt>right.
01:36<ribo>sweet thanks Chutt
01:36<Chutt>server support, with a client library that's used by qt
01:36<Chutt>for nice looking fonts :p
01:37<extremis>hrm, I wonder why xfree conflicts with it
01:37<Chutt>i dunno
01:37<Chutt>i don't use junk like gentoo :p
01:37<extremis>haha
01:37<extremis>you use redhat?
01:37<Chutt>naw, debian
01:38<ahbritto>Does mythbackend do anything CPU intensive? I have 4 threads consumuing 20% cpu.
01:38<extremis>debian is good
01:38<Chutt>ahbritto, aside from compressing video?
01:38<Chutt>ahbritto, and doing the commercial finding stuff?
01:38<ahbritto>One pvr-250 active right now.
01:39<Chutt>if you have that enabled
01:39<ahbritto>Does that happen in real time or when recording is finished?
01:39<Chutt>finished
01:39<ahbritto>Is there anyway to tell it is doing that? lsof?
01:39<Chutt>are the threads reniced to something really low priority?
01:40<ahbritto>Three are reniced.
01:41<extremis><spyderous> extremis: xft is part of xfree now
01:41<ahbritto>You might consider rewriting the env so a ps would show their status.
01:41<Chutt>dunno what the 4th is, then
01:41<extremis>so it seems that my system has it, I guess I should have ld -lft'd
01:41<Chutt>ahbritto, i've been meaning to add status to the status server that's running
01:41<Chutt>mini-http server that runs one port above the main backend server by default
01:41<ahbritto>only 3 processes now, so everything is working as expected.
01:41<Chutt>like, that's what it's for
01:42<Chutt>i just never got around to fleshing it out =)
01:42<ahbritto> :)
01:42<ahbritto>I got two pvr-250 working today. Thanks again for obsolting my TiVo!
01:42<Chutt>cool
01:43<ca1vin>what kind of cpu you using?
01:43<ahbritto>A little disappointed with PIP, but I am sure it will get better.
01:43<Chutt>ah, horribly bad colors and distortion on the pip?
01:43<ca1vin>I am hoping to be able to record on both my pvr250 and my dvb card
01:43<ahbritto>Pentium 4 1.8Mhgz
01:43<ca1vin>ah cool, thats about what I am running
01:44<ca1vin>Athlon XP 2200
01:44<ahbritto>Chutt: yes on the colors and maybe on the distrotion.
01:44<ca1vin>right now I just record everything at 720x480 because I have the extra power and drive space
01:44<ahbritto>What I find really odd is on the mini-playback, there are interlacing artifacts.
01:44<Chutt>ahbritto, it's an ivtv problem -- it doesn't like capturing that small
01:44<ca1vin>that will probably end soon
01:45<ca1vin>once ivtv matures, these pvr250s will work awesome
01:45<ahbritto>hmm.
01:45<Chutt>i've got the same problem here if it uses the pvr250 as the pip card
01:45<ahbritto>Chutt: What do you have besides the pvr250?
01:45<Chutt>which is mainly why i've got it setup now with the wintv-radio as the secondary card
01:45<ca1vin>I hear the playtv pro works well
01:46<ca1vin>except for it not doing hardware encoding
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01:46<Chutt>actually, i've got a -350 in this machine
01:46<Chutt>and a wintv-radio
01:46<Chutt>the -250's in my living room machine
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01:46<nooloo>how you like the 350?
01:47<nooloo>been thinking of investing in one
01:47<Chutt>it's the same as the 250 for now
01:47<ahbritto>I was thinking a 3rd pvr250 would not work, but now I think it was the commerical stuff bogging things down.
01:47<Chutt>and probably will for quite some time
01:47<nooloo>hardware decoding not supported as of yet?
01:47<Chutt>ahbritto, yup -- it has to decode the video to get that information
01:48<Chutt>unlike in software encoding mode, where it can do a lot of it during recording
01:48<ahbritto>One idea I had, was using some signature stuff to capture videos from MTV and automatically titling them. I was kind of wondering how CPU intensive the commerical finding stuff was...
01:49<Chutt>it's really minimal compared to decoding the video
01:50<ahbritto>I have a nice video card, should it or will it use it in the future?
01:50<ahbritto>for decoding?
01:50<Chutt>like XvMC?
01:51<ahbritto>I heard of Xv, but not XvMC. Googling...
01:51<Chutt>xv is hardware accel for output, does colorspace conversion and scaling on the card. not too useful for just raw decoding
01:52<Chutt>xvmc can speed up mpeg2 decoding a bit, but driver support is essentially non-existant
01:52<ahbritto>i see.
01:52<Chutt>and i'm only aware of a couple hacked up copies of libmpeg2 that support it
01:52<ahbritto>I made a mistake that I have noticed other making.
01:52<ahbritto>I thought of mythTV as a PVR and wonder where the name came from even after reading the about.
01:53<ahbritto>Perhaps you should make it more clear that it is a convergence project?
01:53<Chutt>eh
01:53<Chutt>i dunno
01:54<ahbritto>MythTV is a homebrew PVR project ...
01:54<ahbritto>But it does so much more.
01:54<Chutt>i like being understated on there
01:54<ahbritto> =)
01:54<Chutt>i did update the 'i've only been working on it for a short time'
01:54<ca1vin>do you guys use myth for live tv?
01:54* ahbrittochuckles
01:55<ahbritto>Yes.
01:55<ca1vin>I don't think it is quite to that point yet for me
01:55<ca1vin>changing channels is just a little too slow for me
01:55<ca1vin>that may change with my dvb card once I have it setup
01:56<ahbritto>Scanning channels to look for content is a poor strategy for time management. ;)
01:56<ca1vin>very true
01:56<ca1vin>I just need to get out of the habbit
01:56<ca1vin>also the two channel bars kinda is lame
01:56<ca1vin>I wish I could turn the one off in my cable box
01:57<Chutt>bind a button to the info browsing key
01:57<Chutt>so you can look 'round without changing channels
01:57<ahbritto>Chutt: I think changing ps output to reflect status is a trival glib call, would you take patches?
01:57<Chutt>glib?
01:57<Chutt>:p
01:57<ahbritto>or libc
01:57<Chutt>sure
01:57<Chutt>mythbackend [commercial thread] or something like that?
01:58<ahbritto>Maybe my first myth patch. I will tell you if I change my mind.
01:58<ahbritto>yes.
01:58<ahbritto>If I can find the library it is trivial.
01:58<ahbritto>Otherwise, I think I have it in some of my old code and I can rip it out.
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02:15<ahbritto>Chutt: I found my code, it changes the ps information using a printf like interface.
02:16<ahbritto>It has this comment: Does not work perfectly: `ps xwe` shows extra garbage. Trashes argv, don't call this till you don't need them.
02:17<ahbritto>Still want it? I am going to do more research and look for a standard implementation.
02:17<Chutt>i don't want it as is, no :p
02:17<Chutt>if anything, i'll want a patch to mythtv
02:17<ahbritto>I meant as a patch, with the current slight flaw?
02:18<bline>why would you parse ps output?
02:18<Chutt>i dunno
02:18<ahbritto>bline: this is for debugging, a user can do a 'ps' and find out what a thread is doing.
02:20<bline>all that information is in /proc, and is a _tiny_ bit more portable.
02:24<ahbritto>Chutt: I think your status port is a better and cleaner idea, making this unneccessary. I'll drop this idea.
02:24<Chutt>heh
02:24<Chutt>want to flesh that out, then?
02:25<ahbritto>I have a gripe list of maybe 12 things and growing... But maybe... Adding status to my gripe list.
02:25<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, when I run lupdate to update the .ts files, it balloons my cvs diff file from ~1000 lines to double that. :) lots of "obsolete" and "unfinished" lines not related to my changes are added to the files..
02:25<Chutt>yeah
02:25<Chutt>heh
02:25<Chutt>i haven't run it in awhile
02:26<Captain_Murdoch>the weekslot and advanced recording options screen seem to be working ok with current cvs though which is good.
02:26<Chutt>and i've changed some lines of text recently
02:26<Chutt>cool.
02:26<Chutt>i worried a little about breaking your stuff, but i figured you could handle it =)
02:26<Captain_Murdoch>so it's no big deal if I submit the change with the modified .ts an .qm files? probably do it wednesday night.
02:26<Chutt>sure
02:26<Chutt>no problem at all
02:27<Captain_Murdoch>ok. wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong with that huge diff. :)
02:27<Captain_Murdoch>the fix you made earlier on conflict res seems to have fixed the problem I was seeing as well coming back from the advanced options screen.
02:28<Chutt>were you going to the advanced options screen through the view scheduled screen?
02:29<Chutt>website updates were so much easier when i just used the date as the title
02:29<Captain_Murdoch>well, 2 ways to get there. if you go to the regular infodialog screen you can hit 'I' to get to the advanced screen. or if you're on the view scheduled screen and you hit 'I', if you're using weekslot (or an enum above allrecord really) then it takes you straight to the advanced screen instead of the infodialog.
02:30<Chutt>ah
02:32<Captain_Murdoch>and the text info widget at the top of the infodialog and the advanced screen comes from ProgramInfo::DisplayWidget so they both look the same.
02:33<Captain_Murdoch>moved around some of mdz's code to do that after talking with him about it.
02:33<Chutt>cool
02:33<Chutt>tomorrow night, you said?
02:34<Captain_Murdoch>yeah.
02:34<Captain_Murdoch>wife is out tomorrow night so I can spend the evening in front of the computer coding. :)
02:34<Chutt>heh
02:36<Captain_Murdoch>should I run lupdate with the -noobsolete option to get rid of unused stuff?
02:36<Chutt>doesn't really matter to me
02:36<Captain_Murdoch>ok, I'll leave it in for now in case it's handy for translators, we can remove it later easy enough.
02:38<Chutt>yeah
02:38<Chutt>anyway
02:38<Chutt>i'm going to bed =)
02:40<Chutt>hrm
02:40<Chutt>i may make the tv stuff a plugin, too
02:40<Chutt>make 'mythfrontend' really just be a frontend
02:41<Chutt>ah, no, i can't really do that
02:41<ahbritto>awww
02:42<Chutt>the rtjpeg stuff isn't set up to be a shared lib
02:42<Chutt>and i really don't want to get into fixing someone else's mmx code
02:43<bline>have you thought about using something like libxine?
02:43<Chutt>ever looked at the code in libxine?
02:43<bline>nope, that bad eh? :)
02:43<Chutt>pretty much, yeah
02:44<Chutt>well, at least it was a year ago
03:25<ribo>has anyone ever had a problem with the audio being AHEAD of the video during normal watching?
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06:35<Kuwanger>Thank I ran into a race condition, finally. :)
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06:47<Kuwanger>Have the nuv patches progressed enough to be submitted to mplayer?
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08:55<Snow-Man>I futzed with the QoS stuff some more so let me know if the mailing list starts having issues again.
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12:10<rkulagow__>sigh. "i've followed all the instructions" "no, you obviously didn't"
12:10<Chutt>=)
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12:11<Chutt>but he's very experienced with unix!
12:13<rkulagow__>linux == unix (according to sco, right?)
12:13<Chutt>compiling stuff's the same everywhere, though
12:14<rkulagow__>yes, and so is satisfying dependencies. ah, well.
12:14<rkulagow__>this morning's entertainment, right?
12:14<Chutt>yesterday's too =)
12:15<rkulagow__>damn. i forgot to put MYTHTV in all caps so that it sorts into his mailbox correctly. i should send him a private email with my phone number so i can walk him through it. or better yet, _you_ should.
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12:18* JACis away: lunchtime!
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12:21<Conaz>I guess you need to register a 976 number at $.99/minute for phone support ;)
12:23<jkolb>I think you misplaced the decimal point there.
12:23<Chutt>yeah, my time's worth slightly more than that :p
12:28<rkulagow__>hrmm. has anyone noticed that the mailing list is laggier now than before? i sent a message @ 1107 (1125 now) and it hasn't returned to me yet. is it just me?
12:28<Conaz>I suppose so
12:28<Chutt>it'll be fixed soon enough
12:29<rkulagow__>ok
12:29<Chutt>snowman and i and a couple other guys are setting up a server
12:29<Chutt>going to move the lists + website there
12:29<Chutt>and probably cvs
12:29<Snow-Man>Thank god. :)
12:30<Snow-Man>I took off the QoS stuff, again, hopefully the list will figure it's shit out.
12:33* JACis back
12:33<Chutt>JAC, no away messages, please?
12:33<Snow-Man>bah.
12:34<JAC>OK... sorry
12:34<Snow-Man>away messages are good damnit!
12:35<Snow-Man>It'll be interesting to see what happens with the list once it gets moved to the new server.
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12:40<rkulagow__>the way a car wreck is interesting, or the way a sunset is interesting? =)
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12:48<Snow-Man>hehe.
12:50<Chutt>can't be any worse than it is now :p
12:51<rkulagow__>well, we're coming to something like 45 minutes + already on a message that i posted at 1107. and it was so _good_! =)
12:51<rkulagow__>ah well, it'll get there when it gets there. no biggy.
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12:52<Chutt>yup
12:53<mechou>On the mythtv (commercial) edit screen, how difficult would it be to outline the font (1 second, 20 seconds, etc.)? When the background is white you can see a thing...
12:53<Chutt>mechou, it's an extremely minor modification to the osd theme file
12:54<mechou>Do I just modify the ttf in the mythtv them directory?
12:54<Chutt>nope
12:54<Chutt>edit osd.xml in the osd theme you're using
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12:57<mechou>Chutt: Darn, that osd.xml file got some major options. That's pretty cool.
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12:59<Chutt>mechou, lemme know if you can't figure out what to do, but it should be pretty easy
13:01<mechou>On a somewhat related note, were does one store the "private" mythtv settings? In the users home directory in .mythtv? Do I just replicate the directory structure from /usr/local/share/mythtv?
13:01<Chutt>like, what would you consider private?
13:01<Chutt>all the settings are in the database, now
13:01<Chutt>aside from stuff like the menu files, and the themes
13:03<mechou>Chutt: I'm talking specifically osd.xml here and maybe mysql.txt. So it doesn't get overwritten every time I update from CVS or something...
13:03<Chutt>ah
13:03<Chutt>well, you can put mysql.txt in your ~/.mythtv/
13:03<Chutt>dir
13:03<Chutt>i'm not sure if it'll handle the osd themes in there
13:03<Chutt>but it may
13:04<stealthboy>anyone know where in the mythtv/settings.pro i should add the --cpu=athlon-xp for my processor?
13:04<Chutt>where it says pentiumpro?
13:04<stealthboy>i thought that... that's march=pemtiumpro
13:04<stealthboy>i'll give it a try
13:04<JAC>rkulagow__, your message finally showed up
13:07<rkulagow__>yeah, i was just looking at the headers. (obviously they're not NTP synced), but www.snowman.net sat on it from 12:07 to 12:54
13:07<Snow-Man>Man, I don't know wtf it's doing with it.
13:07<rkulagow__>before kicking it back to relay
13:07<Snow-Man>How's the delay from relay?
13:08<Snow-Man>like, how long does it tend to sit on relay>
13:08<Snow-Man>?
13:08<rkulagow__>about 5 minutes if the clocks are synced
13:08<Snow-Man>heh, that's not bad.
13:09<rkulagow__>12:54:26 to 12:59:29
13:09<rkulagow__>that looks suspiciously like a 5 minute queue run
13:09<Snow-Man>Well, it is.
13:09<Snow-Man>But that really should be fine.
13:10<rkulagow__>and then it got to my company's MX at 12:58:44 (time warp!)
13:10<Snow-Man>heh.
13:11<Snow-Man>What I really don't understand is wtf mailman's doing.
13:11<rkulagow__>did you want to see that part of the header?
13:11<Snow-Man>sure
13:12<rkulagow__>Received: from www.snowman.net (www.snowman.net [10.10.0.7])
13:12<rkulagow__> by relay.snowman.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-3) with ESMTP id h5IGxTc3015570
13:12<rkulagow__> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL);
13:12<rkulagow__> Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:59:29 -0400
13:12<rkulagow__>Received: from www.snowman.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
13:12<rkulagow__> by www.snowman.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-3) with ESMTP id h5IGsFnE007511;
13:12<rkulagow__> Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:54:26 -0400
13:12<rkulagow__>Received: from relay.snowman.net (relay.snowman.net [10.10.0.6])
13:12<rkulagow__> by www.snowman.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-3) with ESMTP id
13:12<rkulagow__> h5IG73nE007022
13:12<rkulagow__> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL)
13:12<rkulagow__> for <mythtv-users@www.snowman.net>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:07:03 -0400
13:12<rkulagow__>relay got it at 12:07 (which is just about right for the time that i sent with the timezone)
13:13<Chutt>another 11 messages
13:13<Snow-Man>Errr, no, www got it at 12:07 from the log snippet show showed.
13:13<Snow-Man>s/show/you/
13:13<Snow-Man>Then www gave it to itself at 12:54, and relay got it at 12:59
13:14<Chutt>so, the delay is again www->www
13:14<Chutt>ie, mailman, apparently
13:14<Snow-Man>So it would seem.
13:14<Chutt>why'd you have to go and upgrade? =)
13:14<Snow-Man>Sorry!
13:15<rkulagow__>well, i cut the stuff prior to that which showed that it got to you +- timezone and non-synced clocks within about 2 minutes. so the "relay got it at 1207" was out of context. sorry.
13:16* Snow-Mandoes a dpkg-reconfigure mailman to force it to recompile all the python code..
13:17<Snow-Man>I can't imagine that would do it though, and there hasn't been any load on www, so that wouldn't make sense either, but, hey, why not.
13:17<Snow-Man>PS: I hope this doesn't nuke all the lists.
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13:18<Snow-Man>Alright, well, we'll see if that changes anything.
13:18<billytwowilly>could someone point me to a howto to get the ati remote wonder working?
13:19<rkulagow__>that's the RF one, correct?
13:19<billytwowilly>yep
13:19<rkulagow__>search the gossamer-threads archive. someone has talked about it before...
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13:20<Snow-Man>Chutt: Can you nuke hfh@linuxplanet.dk and myth@phooeybane.net and abernat@zathras.net off the lists?
13:20<Chutt>snowman, nothing in the logs?
13:20<Chutt>sure
13:20<billytwowilly>rkulagow: developer or user? I've been searching the developer threads and it has been ineffectual..
13:20<Snow-Man>hfh is on -dev, phooey is on -commits, and zathras is on -dev it looks like.
13:20<Snow-Man>Actually phooey is on -users too I think.
13:20<Snow-Man>Their nameservers are fucked up or something.
13:20<Snow-Man>I can't host -t mx their hosts.
13:21<Chutt>are any of the python processes going crazy on there?
13:21<Snow-Man>No. :(
13:21<Snow-Man>They all look rather bored actually.
13:22<Snow-Man>I'm about to nuke the entire mail queue on www.
13:22<Chutt>the entire queue?
13:22<Snow-Man>It's just a whole bunch of '(host map: lookup (phooeybane.net): deferred)' stuff.
13:22<rkulagow__>billytwowilly: check gatos.sourceforge.net
13:22<Snow-Man>Chutt: www won't have anything that's working.
13:22<Chutt>ah
13:22<Snow-Man>Shit piles up on it when it can't do MX lookups on the domains.
13:23<Snow-Man>But there aren't any 'real' messages in the queue.
13:23<Snow-Man>oh, that's done, and I've restarted it.
13:23<billytwowilly>rkulagow__: when I tried that out I got a whole bunch of unesolved symbol errors, both with cvs and with latest release
13:24<billytwowilly>wrong version for my kernel?
13:24<rkulagow__>billytwowilly: well, they're the ones that will know more about it since it's their code. i don't have one, so i have no idea where the problem may be.
13:24<Chutt>snow-man, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029673.html
13:24<Snow-Man>Jun 18 13:21:50 2003 (22240) delivery to thomas@thusemann.dyndns.org failed with code -1: ignore
13:24<Snow-Man>erm.
13:25<mdz>oh, man this theora stuff is hopeless
13:25<Chutt>hm?
13:25<Chutt>new stuff on -dev?
13:25<mdz>So the vorbis codec provides blocks of audio intended to be played back at a fixed rate, and theora codec provides a series of frames intended to play at a fixed rate. It's the player's job to output that data in way that the relative rates match well enough to maintain sync.
13:25<mdz>same stuff, I'm just getting around to reading the rest of the thread
13:26<mechou>billytw: I compiled it, but it still "worked" even thou it gave me unresolved symbols...
13:26<billytwowilly>mechou: when I got insmod ati_remote the unresolved symbols stuff shows up there too, did you have that problem?
13:27<billytwowilly>rkulagow__: I must be missing my manners today. I forgot to say thank you. Thanks.
13:27<mechou>billytw: yeah, I only get one unresolved message.
13:28<billytwowilly>mechou: hehehe, I get 11;)
13:28<jkolb>mdz: How is that different from, say, mpeg2? Ogg doesn't have timestamps on the packets to help a decoder keep them in sync?
13:28<billytwowilly>mechou: what distro/kernel version are you running?
13:28<mdz>jkolb: it's basically AVI
13:28<mechou>billytw: I didn't try this, but you might want to try modprobe --force
13:28<Snow-Man>My qfiles/in directory is empty atm.
13:28<jkolb>I've never had to work with avis.
13:29<Chutt>snowman, ah well, worth a shot :(
13:29<Snow-Man>yea.
13:29<mdz>jkolb: they do not map well to the reality of video capture
13:29<Chutt>your soundcard doesn't give you a static rate
13:29<Snow-Man>Personally I think it probably *is* mailman's fault.
13:29<mechou>billytw: mdk9.1, 2.4.21
13:29<Snow-Man>wd
13:29<Snow-Man>erp
13:29<mdz>jkolb: right, it has no timestamps. it assumes that the frame rate and audio sample rate stay perfectly fixed for the entire stream
13:30<jkolb>Ok, that was all I needed to know.
13:30<Chutt>that you drop no frames
13:30<Chutt>it's basically crap.
13:30<mdz>no frame drops, perfect DSP clock
13:30<jkolb>Sounds like it.
13:30<Snow-Man>I've got a bunch of recent shit in qfiles/out, probably from when I shut down the sendmail daemon.
13:30<Chutt>and it makes ogg/theora pretty damn useless, imo
13:30<mdz>yep
13:30<Snow-Man>Gonna restart the mailman stuff
13:30<billytwowilly>mechou: darn. same distro and version as me.. modprobe doesn't find the module.. strange..
13:30<mdz>unless you're converting a bunch of PNGs into an animation with no audio
13:30<Chutt>theora inside of .nuv would work, though =)
13:31<Chutt>which will happen eventually
13:31<Chutt>well, once that guy gets an encoder into libavcodec
13:31<jkolb>So when are we going to see animated gif inside .nuv?
13:31<mdz>half the point of theora, for me anyway, would be to have a decent standard A/V container
13:31<Chutt>snowman, it's weird that it doesn't process anything for a long time
13:31<mdz>if it's not going to be that, I have very little interest in it
13:32<Chutt>then goes and does 10 or 20
13:32<Snow-Man>Chutt: Yeah... That thread would seem to imply that it's sendmail stalling but I kinda doubt that's really it.
13:32<mechou>billytwo: doesn't find the module?!!? Where do you stash the object file?
13:33<Chutt>i wonder if there's a 'make mailman suck' option i need to toggle or something
13:33<Snow-Man>haha
13:33<ahbritto>Chutt: I don't know your buffer strategy.. Is it optimal having the buffer on the same disk as the archive?
13:33<Chutt>shouldn't really matter
13:34<ahbritto>I thought I saw the buffer and an output file both growing, I didn't understand why.
13:35<Chutt>live tv -> recording while watching?
13:35<ahbritto>most likely.
13:35<Chutt>it currently just dumps the data to both, and continues playing the live-tv buffer
13:36<Chutt>not optimal, of course =)
13:36<billytwowilly>mechou: I followed the readme file. no make install in that.. tells you to insmod ati_remote channel_mask=16
13:36<ahbritto>ok. adding to my list of things I might touch.
13:36<billytwowilly>I think it may be working though.. /dev/input/mice is there..
13:36<billytwowilly>I just have to figure out how to get it to work with lircd;)
13:37<mechou>billytwo: yeah, I think you out to be almoste there...
13:38<billytwowilly>mechou: thanks for the help. Is there a ready made file for this remote for lircd and mythtv?
13:38<mechou>Damn keyboard!
13:39<Chutt>snowman, ah well, once we move stuff over, i'll be able to look into it better
13:39<Snow-Man>I'm getting more familiar with this stuff.
13:39<Chutt>anyway, those 3 are disabled
13:39<Snow-Man>qfiles/out appears to be running along pretty decently now.
13:39<Snow-Man>ok.
13:39<mechou>Billytwo: Dunno, didn't check. I'm not reall using my ati remote. I'm using an old ANIR remote.
13:40<billytwowilly>oh ok. I'll rumage around then;) thanks.
13:41<Snow-Man>list 22733 94.4 4.6 7880 5980 ? R 13:30 10:28 qrunner /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
13:41<Snow-Man>err.
13:41<Snow-Man>That thing is going like gangbusters now.
13:42<Chutt>heh
13:42<Chutt>check that users list
13:42<Snow-Man>But nothing is getting logged.
13:42<Chutt>other people have reported that..
13:42<Chutt>i think
13:42<Chutt>i dunno, i just skimmed it, mainly
13:44<mdz>billytwowilly: why would you want to use lircd with the ATI remote?
13:45<mechou>mdz: that's a good point...
13:45<mdz>it shows up as a keyboard and mouse
13:45<mdz>and you're done
13:45<Snow-Man>Chutt: Where'd you see it?
13:45<Chutt>i don't remember :(
13:46<Chutt>something about OutgoingRunning going crazy
13:48<Snow-Man>No replies to a comment about OutgoingRunner very busy
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13:48<Chutt>ah
13:49<billytwowilly>mdz: If I don't have to then I won't.. so i can just use it as a keyboard/mouse then?
13:49<billytwowilly>mdz: how would I configure that?
13:49<mdz>billytwowilly: if you're using /dev/input/mice, you don't. it just works.
13:49<billytwowilly>mdz: very cool. thanks for the info.
13:50<billytwowilly>mdz: so all they keys and such are already bound correctly?
13:50<mdz>billytwowilly: "correctly"?
13:50<billytwowilly>they are already bound to useful stuff or do I have to configure that?
13:50<billytwowilly>chan up/down vol up/down works?
13:50<mdz>where there is a natural keysym for the key, it is bound to that
13:50<billytwowilly>ok. thanks
13:50<mdz>the numbers are numbers, the letters are letters
13:51<billytwowilly>thanks.
13:56<jkolb>billytwowilly: You may want to man xmodmap and look at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gatos/avview/avview.modmap?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup to configure the keys.
13:57<Snow-Man>The stupid thing appears to be looping through the mail queue...
13:57<Chutt>learning python? =)
13:58<Snow-Man>Probably in a moment, just strace right now.
13:58<mdz>"/var/lib/mailman/bin"?
13:58<mdz>that sounds...wrong
13:59<Snow-Man>Blame the maintainer. He's on my shitlist already.
13:59<mdz>jkolb: that just adds bindings for the XF86* keysyms (the "fast forward", "rewind", "web" and buttons like that)
14:00<mdz>which mythtv doesn't use
14:01<jkolb>Yes, but it gives the scan codes that the remote sends, and you can remap the keysyms that are sent, correct?
14:01<jkolb>Or am I way off here?
14:02<jkolb>s/scan codes/keycodes/
14:03<mdz>it gives the keycodes that X gets for those extra keys
14:03<mdz>and assigns them to keysyms
14:04<mdz>not much uses them
14:05<Snow-Man>Jun 18 14:04:16 2003 (23126) <20030618175954.80140.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> smtp for 704 recips, completed in 126.148 seconds
14:05<Snow-Man>Someone tell me when they get that.
14:06<Chutt>just got it
14:07<Chutt>haven't gotten anything else from the 1:00 hour, though
14:08<jkolb>Right, but now he has the list of keycodes to assign to whatever keys he likes for his setup.
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14:14<Chutt>snowman, what's in the out queue?
14:15<Chutt>apparently this can happen with malformed confirm messages
14:15<Snow-Man>I think it's stuff that's supposted to be going out to the MTA.
14:17<Chutt>it's looping on something, right?
14:18<Chutt>ah well
14:24<billytwowilly>srry to bother you guys once again, but I'm doing the setup step of my install and there is no selection for canada cable.
14:24<Chutt>there's no such thing as canada cable.
14:25<billytwowilly>so if I'm from canada and I'm on cable what setting would I choose?
14:25<Chutt>us-cable?
14:25<billytwowilly>I tried that in xawtv and the table is off because all the channels are greyish/fuzzy..
14:25<Chutt>read the mythtv faq
14:26<Chutt>and/or the howto.
14:26<billytwowilly>I'm following the howto now. I don't see anything. I'll check out the faq though.
14:26<billytwowilly>thanks.
14:26<Chutt>there's a section called 'where did canada-cable go' in the howto
14:26<Chutt>or something similar to that
14:27<Snow-Man>grrr, it's trying to send to those fucknuts with the fucked up DNS again.
14:27<Chutt>probably messages from before i disabled their subscriptions
14:27<billytwowilly>Chutt: I see it thanks.
14:38<billytwowilly>anyone know how to manually set my tv tuner card in /etc/modules.conf? I really don't want to sign up for a mailing list if I don't have to.
14:38<Chutt>just search the mythtv mailing list archives
14:39<billytwowilly>oh. the faq recommends joing some v4l mailing list..
14:39<bigguy>That steve guy has responded 2 times about the Playing MythTV files in Windows and both times he says the same thing pretty much. "I can play mine fine since they are mpeg2" Like everyone has a pvr x50 now
14:49<billytwowilly>If I want modules loaded at boot time where should I put the insmod commands?
14:49<stealthboy>billtwowilly: which distribution are you using?
14:49<billytwowilly>mandrake 9.1
14:51<extremis>hrm, recompile qt and made sure it could load xft and the font is still ultrasmall
14:51<stealthboy>it didn't auto-configure the tuner card?
14:52<billytwowilly>it did, but it's giving me borked settings. I found an email telling me how to fix it. I just need to know where to put the modules loading commands so they are loaded at boot.
14:52<billytwowilly>apparently it usually is detected as type 5 when it is type 2, whatever that means;)
14:53<extremis>any ideas on what I should look out to find out why the font is really small when running /usr/share/mythtv/setup ?
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15:12<bigguy>"I have tons of UNIX experience, but I just have no experience compiling applications/libs."
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15:12<ca1vin>*snicker*
15:13<bigguy>how can you have anything more than limited experience if all you never compiled an app
15:14<bigguy>or don't know how to handle compile time issues like a dep missing
15:14<Chutt>oh, he responded to me? =)
15:17<JAC>I've got tons of experience with cars, I've just never bothered to look under the hood :-P
15:18<JAC>...but man, is my new wax job shiny!
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15:19<Chutt>that reminds me, i need to wash my car again
15:19<Conaz>Chutt: I didn't see a reply, I think you scared him away
15:19<Chutt>that'd be nice
15:19<bigguy>"Why can't I use my FreeBSD server as the backend"
15:20<Conaz>He was certainly all over the board with his problems and questions
15:20<JAC>I resisted the urge to tell him to stick his FreeBSD server *up* his backend
15:21<mechou>hehe
15:21<Conaz>I may not be the most versed in compiling, but at least I can read the failure line and google search for an answer
15:21<bigguy>his experience probably is installing the os from cd and updating usr src and make World
15:21<bigguy>nothing else
15:21<Snow-Man>Yeah, so, like, I dunno, maybe that shit did something.
15:21<GreyFoxx>"Sure I'm an experienced UNIX admin, I've used Redhat and Mandrake for 3 months now!" :)
15:21<Chutt>snowman, what shit?
15:22<Snow-Man>The only *real* thing I did that I can tell is told sendmail to not do DNS lookups on www.
15:22<bigguy>GreyFoxx: I know a very select few that could probably do that
15:22<Conaz>I loved how he stated that make failed, and so did make install... well, duh!
15:22<jkolb>That's in mailman's faq.
15:22<Chutt>well
15:22<Snow-Man>Mind you, shit was fine before with it on.
15:22<Chutt>we'll see
15:22<extremis>who is "he" ?
15:22<jkolb>As a way to make things faster.
15:22<GreyFoxx>bigguy: I've met a lot that think that way unfortunately :)
15:23<Chutt>extremis, guy named 'Tyler Drake' on the mailing list
15:23<extremis>ahh, I"ve been feeling like a moron recently
15:23<Snow-Man>A number of messages appear to have just gone out.
15:23<Conaz>today's whipping boy
15:23<extremis>:)
15:23<Snow-Man>I don't know how to make the 'shunt'ed messages get back into the processing shit.
15:23<bigguy>What happened to Henk?
15:24<bigguy>did he get tired of being whipped?
15:24<extremis>any plans on making the mythtv mailing list archives searchable?
15:24<Snow-Man>Chutt: Can you do that?
15:24<Snow-Man>extremis: They are elsewhere.
15:24<bigguy>extremis: they are searchable
15:24<bigguy>:P
15:24<Snow-Man>I wouldn't mind making them searchable off the main shit.
15:24<Snow-Man>If it was something that wasn't too hard to do.
15:25<bigguy>Snow-Man: is bma using myth now?
15:25<Snow-Man>I don't think so.
15:25<Conaz>The search link is on the General Info page extremis
15:25<bigguy>ah
15:25<Chutt>what shunted messages?
15:25<Snow-Man>The ones in the 'shunt' directory?
15:25<Chutt>i've no idea
15:25<extremis>duh
15:25* extremislame
15:25<Snow-Man>Me neither.
15:26<Conaz>musta been your wired interview that has brought on all the "stream to windows" threads
15:26<bigguy>Conaz: nah it was there before
15:26<bigguy>Conaz: just reappears every so often
15:26<Conaz>I guess I haven't come accross them in my searches
15:26<Snow-Man>The shit is still taking up alot more CPU than it should.
15:26<Conaz>Of course I've never just searched on windows
15:27<Chutt>snowman, have you upgraded python recently?
15:27<Snow-Man>heh, I upgraded everything, it's at 2.2.3, iirc.
15:27<Chutt>i remember a longass time ago, mailman was running like shit on freeamp.org
15:27<Snow-Man>why?
15:27<Chutt>and i fixed it by upgrading python
15:27<Snow-Man>haha.
15:27<extremis>who did a wired interview?
15:27<Chutt>me
15:27<mechou>hey guys I don't want to be an ass but can somebody tell me where I might get a precompiled binary of the patched mencoder?
15:28<extremis>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,59088,00.html
15:28<bigguy>mechou: I don't think you can
15:28<extremis>ahh
15:29<mechou>bigguy: you mean there ain't one around?
15:29<rkulagow__>hey, turns out you _can_ fit two PVR-250's in a pundit. all you need to do is void your warranty! (and have a sheet metal cutter)
15:29<Chutt>hah
15:29<Chutt>rkulagow, you did it, then?
15:29<rkulagow__>yep.
15:29<bigguy>mechou: no the people that want it all compile themselves
15:29<Conaz>So you modded the already nice case mod
15:30<bigguy>mechou: akaik
15:30<extremis>rkulagow: got pics?
15:30<Snow-Man>How's the mailing list doing now?
15:30<Snow-Man>Someone wanna check the delay on 3EF0BD31.30102@web.de?
15:30<rkulagow__>yes, i'll post a message to the mailing list with a link to some suitable scaled-down pics or something.
15:31<mechou>bigguy: yeah, I know. But all those dependencies...
15:31* Snow-Mandoes some hackish shit to mailman and prays.
15:31<GreyFoxx>mechou: Just think about how much you'll learn about how your system interoperates by installing it all :)
15:32<jkolb>Praying doesn't work until you've also sacrificed first.
15:32<Chutt>snowman, i haven't gotten that yet
15:32<Snow-Man>blah, it might be backlogged on relay.
15:32<jkolb>You have two choices: Let out the magic blue smoke from some components, or cut yourself on the case and bleed a bit.
15:33<Snow-Man>Damnit, it's still doing the fucking lookup I think.
15:33<extremis>so, has anyone else experienced the small font problem when setting up mythtv for the first time (/usr/share/mythtv/setup) ?
15:34<mechou>GreyFox: Heh, I don't want to be going grey ;-)... Yeah, bad pun.
15:34<Snow-Man>Why the fuck is it that with the shunt directory empty, mailman isn't chewing up assloads of CPU anymore?
15:35<GreyFoxx>mech :P
15:36<bigguy>it's really not that difficult to compile the hard part is fixing broken code if your aren't a programmer
15:36<Chutt>extremis, what happens when you run other qt apps?
15:36<GreyFoxx>Especially if you are using asystem other than the coder and they set it to except specific environments
15:36<GreyFoxx>I mean expect
15:37<bigguy>hehehe
15:37<bigguy>[13:58] <rek-> houston we have a problem
15:37<bigguy>[13:58] <rek-> the lids of the RSB holders are starting to get all deformed from being microwaved too much
15:37<bigguy>[14:01] <rek-> this has taken down 2 of the 5 containers in the fleet
15:37<GreyFoxx>like the location of MySQL and something that doesn't allow a --with-mysql-includes= :)
15:37<extremis>Chutt: like? Are there any demo qt apps?
15:38<Chutt>there's qtconfig
15:38<extremis>ok, I'll try that tonight when I get home. My wife isn't home to verify if it is ok
15:38<Chutt>might want to install the microsoft ttf fonts, too
15:38<extremis>mythtv uses it?
15:38<extremis>rather setup uses it?
15:38<Chutt>looks better with good fonts
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15:39<extremis>Web fonts program discontinued
15:39<extremis>Microsoft's TrueType core fonts for the Web are no longer available for download from www.microsoft.com.
15:39<extremis>hah
15:39<Chutt>corefonts.sf.net
15:40<mechou>bigguy: I am a programmer, but what's "broken?"
15:40<rkulagow__>anyone else able to access this? http://www.smalltime.com/bob/pundit/IMG_2139.JPG (ie, works for me)
15:41<mechou>bg/gf: or are you guys just referring to the "environment?"
15:41<GreyFoxx>It's asking for a username and passwork rku:
15:41<GreyFoxx>password
15:41<rkulagow__>ok, let me fix that.
15:41<GreyFoxx>damn typos, they'll be the death of me I'm sure
15:43<rkulagow__>ok, i'll have to get with the owner of the box to get the user/password requirement out of there.
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15:44<extremis>hrm, maybe I should start the x font server
15:44<extremis>instead of reading into each directory
15:44<extremis>Chutt: could you send me your microsloth fonts?
15:44<Chutt>corefonts.sf.net
15:44<Chutt>they're all there
15:45<Chutt>there's probably an ebuild for em, too
15:46<extremis>Chutt: ebuild eh? woohoo ;P
15:46<Chutt>i'm just guessing
15:47<extremis>I was just kidding too , I dont' see it there
15:47<extremis>just redhat
15:47<extremis>thats fine, I can do this...
15:48<Chutt>snowman, that message you asked about earlier? the web.de?
15:48<Chutt>just got it, looks like it went through www fast
15:48<Snow-Man>hmm, ok.
15:49<ahbritto>extremis: Microsoft fonts seem to be part of the xfree install.
15:49<ahbritto>credit root 8# qpkg -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/arial.ttf
15:49<ahbritto>x11-base/xfree *
15:49<Snow-Man>heh, relay is shitting it's pants right now.
15:49<Snow-Man>oh well, I'm going to leave things alone for a bit.
15:50<Chutt>ah well
15:50<Snow-Man>Things appear to be flowing.
15:50<Chutt>any word from ucg?
15:50<Snow-Man>Not yet.
15:50<Chutt>thanks for messin with all this stuff, btw =0
15:50<Chutt>er, =)
15:51* Snow-Manshrugs.
15:51<Snow-Man>I wish mailman wasn't being such a bitch, that's all.
15:52<extremis>anbritto: what about tahoma?
15:52<Snow-Man> 15:55:07 up 1 day, 16:26, 3 users, load average: 12.09, 6.26, 3.62
15:52<Snow-Man>wheeeee.
15:52<Chutt>relay?
15:52<Snow-Man>yup.
15:52<JAC>Anybody here have their mythbackend logfile set up with logrotate?
15:52<Conaz>that is some serious load
15:52<ahbritto>extremis: Is that a part of the core fonts? I don't think so.
15:52<Snow-Man>sfrost@relay:/home/sfrost> ps auwx | grep sendmail | wc -l
15:52<Snow-Man> 124
15:52<Snow-Man> 15:55:43 up 1 day, 16:26, 3 users, load average: 16.96, 8.11, 4.34
15:53<Snow-Man>yeah, it's having a good time.
15:53<Conaz>JAC: I haven't yet, but was planning to do so
15:53<Chutt>snowman, a just sent message of mine went through quickly
15:54<Chutt>heh
15:54<Chutt>mythweb doesn't use the startdate/enddate fields very much
15:55<rkulagow__>yow! i didn't realize how cruddy the tuner in my Bt878 card was until i put two pvr-250
15:55<rkulagow__>'s in the same box.
15:56<Conaz>Much nicer picture I take it
15:56<mechou>rkulagow: which bt878 tuner did you have?
15:57<extremis>anbritto: it is
15:57<rkulagow__>had an avermedia tv98, and i've got two pinnacle pctv pro's. there's no comparison in quality; the pvr250 is in a different league.
15:58<Conaz>hmm, I guess I'll see how my haugpauge 190 compares to the 250
15:58<mechou>rku: you're sure this PQ is solely due to the tuner, not HW encoder (just as example)?
15:59<ahbritto>extremis: I don't have it on my system.
15:59<hfb>rkulagow__: That's interesting. I have an Avermedia TV98 and also a Pinnacle PCTV Pro. I'm waiting for the prices to come down on the PVR 250/350 though. :)
15:59<Conaz>Prices are pretty low on the 250 atm I thought
16:00<Snow-Man>Chutt: heh.
16:00<mechou>I thought PVR250 is ~$99 after rebates...
16:01<hfb>mechou: Is it?
16:01<hfb>mechou: I will have to look in to it.
16:01<extremis>ovitton fonts # ls *.TTF
16:01<extremis>AndaleMo.TTF Arialbd.TTF Comic.TTF Georgiab.TTF Impact.TTF Timesbi.TTF Verdanab.TTF Webdings.TTF
16:01<extremis>AriBlk.TTF Arialbi.TTF Comicbd.TTF Georgiai.TTF Times.TTF Timesi.TTF Verdanai.TTF
16:01<extremis>Arial.TTF Ariali.TTF Georgia.TTF Georgiaz.TTF Timesbd.TTF Verdana.TTF Verdanaz.TTF
16:01<extremis>ovitton fonts # ls *.ttf
16:01<extremis>Trebucbd.ttf cour.ttf courbd.ttf courbi.ttf couri.ttf tahoma.ttf tahomabd.ttf trebuc.ttf trebucbi.ttf trebucit.ttf
16:01<extremis>those are the MS fonts
16:01<mechou>hfb: Well, maybe not at this exact moment, but I often see it on sale for that price.
16:02<rkulagow__>PQ is subjective (well, you can objectively measure it of course, but that's a different show); at the same bitrate, in my opinion, comparing the picture quality of the PVR250 @ 480x480 4Mbps and the TV98@480x480 @ 4Mbps, the PVR looks much nicer. better shielding, better tuner, whatever. it just looks nicer. i was surprised.
16:02<rkulagow__>should have done it sooner.
16:02<Conaz>rkulagow: good to hear
16:03<ahbritto>extremis: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19106
16:03<mechou>rku: how is the black level in comparison with earlier bt878 tuners?
16:05<ahbritto>extremis: Here is how to get corefonts on gentoo: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=15311&highlight=corefonts
16:06<mechou>Speaking of PQ, actually on avsforum the consensus is that the philips tv chip seems to offer the best PQ (on Windoze). Anybody try this with mythtv?
16:06<Snow-Man>relay's working it.
16:08* Snow-Manwatches the load go back up.
16:08<extremis>anbritto: I already did it by hand
16:08<extremis>ovitton fonts # /etc/init.d/xfs mkfontdirs
16:08<extremis> * Scanning font directories... [ ok ]
16:08<extremis> * Indexing font directories...
16:08<extremis> * /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/microsoft... [ ok ]
16:08<extremis> * Updating FC cache... [ ok ]
16:08<ahbritto>extremis: 020827 A friendly soul over at Microsoft informed me that the Tahoma font was never a part of the "core fonts for the web" initiative and has unclear licensing, so I've removed it
16:09<extremis>ahbritto: yeah, but I downloaded it anyways
16:09<ahbritto>This is on the corefonts web page.
16:09<extremis>wget http://download.microsoft.com/download/ie6sp1/finrel/6_sp1/W98NT42KMeXP/EN-US/IELPKTH.CAB
16:09<extremis>thats for tahoma
16:09<extremis>from the .spec
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16:10<extremis>hopefully mythtv will use them without me having to reconfig, but I guess I should check the mailing lists to see if there is anything I have to do
16:13<rkulagow__>mechou: sorry, don't have a vector scope to let you know the pre and post PVR250 levels.
16:13<Justin_>did mythmusic get 10000x faster at indexing files or something?
16:13<Chutt>extremis, check qtconfig first, though
16:13<Chutt>justin, for mp3s?
16:13<Justin_>yes
16:13<Snow-Man>alright, the queue on www is empty except for junk now.
16:13<Chutt>ayup
16:13<Justin_>cool!
16:14<Chutt>well
16:14<Justin_>haven't used it in months:)
16:14<Chutt>it's less accurate now
16:14<Chutt>but, should be faster
16:14<Justin_>most of the id3 tags are wrong anyway, i dont care:)
16:14<Chutt>someone actually sent in a patch
16:14<Justin_>it went from like 20 minutes, to 5 seconds
16:15<JAC>Chutt: "less accurate"... do you mean just for VBR length? Or is there something else?
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16:15<mechou>rkugalow__: just after a subjective opinion ;-)
16:16<Snow-Man>Chutt: How's the list looking>?
16:16<Chutt>well, if it's a vbr file that's got a constant bitrate beginning
16:16<Chutt>it'll be off
16:16<Chutt>snowman, dunno
16:16<Chutt>last new message i've gotten was from 3:50
16:16<Chutt>i don't know if there's been anything more recent than that
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16:18<Snow-Man>I see one mail for your addy in the queue.
16:19<Snow-Man>atm anyway.
16:19<Chutt>i just checked something in
16:19<Chutt>which'll get sent out at 4:20
16:19<Snow-Man>ok, I'll watch for it.
16:19<Chutt>should be able to tell, then
16:19<Snow-Man>You sent something at 15:51?
16:19<Snow-Man>to -users?
16:19<Chutt>3:47, here
16:20<Snow-Man>ah.
16:20<Snow-Man>So that's the one you got back?
16:20<Chutt>yup
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16:20<Snow-Man>ok.. I don't see anything sent out after that, so what's in the queue on relay must be old.
16:20<Chutt>i've gotten 2 old mails since then
16:20<Chutt>so =)
16:20<Snow-Man>haha.
16:21<Chutt>you see the commit message go through?
16:21<Chutt>i just got it
16:21<Snow-Man>Hrmpf, I didn't see it in the post log..
16:21<Chutt>well, it's delivered :p
16:21<Snow-Man>I saw it in the sendmail log tho.
16:22<Snow-Man>You already got it back?
16:22<Snow-Man>I don't think it's finished being sent to sendmail on www....
16:23<Snow-Man>Jun 18 16:22:37 2003 (26205) post to mythtv-commits from mythtv@ijr.dnsalias.org, size=2778, message-id=<E19SjPW-0003Wr-00@Mizar>, success
16:23<Snow-Man>there.
16:24<Snow-Man>Something to -users came in too.
16:24<Chutt>got the post to users
16:24<Snow-Man>heh.
16:24<Snow-Man>Can you give me the total lag on it?
16:25<Chutt>you need to ntp sync your machines
16:25<Snow-Man>They used to be.. It's probably relay that's off.
16:25<Chutt>ns got it at 21:49, relay got it at 24:48, www got it at 21:53, www got it from www at 22:37, relay got it back at 25:43
16:25<Chutt>relay's a tad off there :p
16:25<Chutt>cwru got it from relay at 23:00
16:25<Snow-Man>haha.
16:26<Chutt>but, looks good
16:26<Chutt>5 seconds for mailman to process it
16:26<Snow-Man>That's a bit better.
16:26<Chutt>than > 2 hours?
16:26<Chutt>yes
16:26<Snow-Man>relay will get faster soon too, it's busy catching up, and I'm about to syn it.
16:26<Snow-Man>+c
16:26<Chutt>thanks =)
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16:27<Snow-Man>No prob, and I've still really got nfc what it was that fixed it.
16:27<Chutt>well
16:27<Chutt>hopefully we won't have the same problems on the new machine
16:27<Chutt>and it'll just magically work
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16:27<Snow-Man>haha.
16:28<Snow-Man>The whole transistion thing is going to be a pain in the ass I imagine.
16:28<Snow-Man>But then, that's my job I imagine.
16:29<Chutt>i'll help :p
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16:30<Snow-Man>I'm thinking it might be a decent idea to put some limits on the number of sendmail processes on the new box.
16:31<Snow-Man>10.10.0.1: Server dropped: strata too high
16:31<Snow-Man>grr.
16:33<Conaz>That an ntp log message?
16:33<Snow-Man>yes
16:37<Snow-Man>And it's starting to annoy me.
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16:45<Chutt>hrm
16:45<Chutt>vis goes away if the window is obscured/re-shown
16:45<thor_>been seeing that
16:45<Snow-Man>Whoops!
16:46<thor_>doesn't like to be ->hide() ->show() either
16:46<thor_>(trying to make visualizers optional in the theme)
16:48<Snow-Man>Need to fix the ntp.conf on gw.
16:49<Snow-Man>ntp takes soo fucking long to sync.
16:49<thor_>actually the first ->show() from an original hide() is fine, but if you hide() and then show() it again, it draws blank until you CycleVisualizers()
16:50<Chutt>hahahaa
16:50<Chutt>mr. drake replied
16:50<Snow-Man>I think I need to look at this.
16:50<Conaz>ah, hasn't show up for me yet :)
16:50<thor_>me neither ;-(
16:50<Snow-Man>Which list is it on?
16:50<Chutt>snowman, the guy posted a rather simple/obvious compile error
16:51<Chutt>just a missing dependency
16:51<Snow-Man>ok..
16:51<Chutt>in his email, he says 'I am very familiar with UNIX...'
16:51<Conaz>Must just be the SCO kind then ;)
16:51<Chutt>so some people told him what to install
16:51<Chutt>and he comes back with an email with the _next_ missing dependency
16:52<Chutt>so i say to look at the docs, as there's a section for mandrake (which he's using)
16:52<Snow-Man>haha
16:52<Chutt>so he says something like 'Quote from the previous message: "I followed all the instructions.. "' blah blah blah
16:52<Chutt>saying they were all installed
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16:53<Chutt>my response was 'Obviously they aren't, and you should use your vast amounts of UNIX experience and figure out what the problem is."
16:53<billytwowilly>heh. I was just reading that post in the archives;)
16:53<Snow-Man>hahaha
16:53<pcjabber>I say that, chutt
16:53<billytwowilly>having trouble with mythmusic myself;)
16:53<pcjabber>saw*
16:53<Chutt>"Very true. I.. well, I didn't think.... Terribly sorry!"
16:53<Chutt>heh
16:53<Chutt>ah well
16:53<pcjabber>yes
16:53<Chutt>entertainment
16:54<Conaz>"I...well, I didn't think...." that about sums it up nicely
16:54<Snow-Man>haha.
16:54<pcjabber>i agree, since i wrote it
16:54<Chutt>ah, you're the dumbass?
16:54<pcjabber>yes, that would be me
16:54<Chutt>you're _this_ close to being removed from the lists
16:54<Snow-Man>Chutt++;
16:54<Chutt>btw
16:54<pcjabber>why is that, chutt?
16:54<Chutt>because you're being damn annoying on them?
16:54<pcjabber>sorry about that too
16:54<radsaq>'cause Chutt's a meanie :(
16:55<pcjabber>I am not familiar with the ettiquite of mailing lists
16:55<Snow-Man>Don't be sorry, don't *do* it.
16:55<pcjabber>these two are my first ones
16:55<pcjabber>ok snowman
16:55<radsaq>Chutt, I finally RMA'd my drive, will hopefully find some packing material and send it off soon, so I can run MythTV!
16:55<radsaq>Chutt, and then annoy you endlessly
16:55<Chutt>heh
16:55<Chutt>they allowed you to?
16:56<radsaq>yeah it's under warranty for another year still
16:56<Chutt>heh
16:56<Snow-Man>18 Jun 16:55:48 ntpdate[27602]: step time server 10.10.0.1 offset 30.079159 sec
16:56<Snow-Man>There we go.
16:57<thor_>billtwowilley, a problem which is not covered in the documentation?
16:57<billytwowilly>thor_: nope, I just was skimming instead of reading.
16:57<thor_>k
16:57<billytwowilly>that seems to be a problem more than once;)
16:58<billytwowilly>it's all good now.
16:58<thor_>=)
16:58<Snow-Man>Alright, ns, gw, www and relay should all be sync'd now at least.
16:58<Snow-Man>The other stuff will come in line in time.
16:58<Chutt>snowman, you don't sync em together?
16:58<Snow-Man>Chutt: Well, see, that's the thing..
16:58<billytwowilly>all I have to do is figure out how to change the bindings on my remote wonder and I'm probably set.
16:58<Snow-Man>Chutt: Everything used to sync off of gw.
16:59<Snow-Man>Chutt: And gw sync'd to time-a/time-b.nist.gov, right?
16:59<Snow-Man>Well, then I moved back to my old gw box.
16:59<Snow-Man>And well, it used to sync off of phoenix...
16:59<Chutt>heh
16:59<Chutt>d'ya use wdc.speakeasy.net for your ntp server? seein as it's only a hop away..
16:59<Snow-Man>So I had phoenix trying to sync off gw, gw trying to sync off of phoenix, and everyone else trying to sync off of gw and going 'erm, wtf? You're in a shitty stratum, fuck you.'
17:00<Snow-Man>Oh, I just went back to time-a/time-b.. Didn't know that was a time server.
17:00<Chutt>heh
17:00<Snow-Man>I'll add it to gw's list.
17:00<Chutt>all the local speakeasy pops/naps are
17:00<Chutt>fairly nice of em =)
17:00<Snow-Man>Nice.
17:00<Snow-Man>yh.
17:00<Snow-Man>+a
17:01<Snow-Man>ok, added wdc.se.net.
17:01<Snow-Man>Of course, now I have to wait for them to sync again. :)
17:02<Chutt>heh
17:02<Snow-Man>wdc is strat 3. :)
17:02<Snow-Man>It's not too far off tho.
17:02<Snow-Man>few 1000ths of a second.
17:03<Chutt>yeah, nothing that matters
17:03<Snow-Man>nope, not really.
17:06<JAC>gtg
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17:08<pcjabber>the "dumbass" has got to go, bbl
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17:09<Chutt>i'm crushed
17:09<rcaskey>Chutt: what hath cut you to the bone?
17:09<Chutt>pcjabber left!
17:10<thor_>he sort of endearing
17:10<thor_>in a deer in the headlights kind of way
17:10<rcaskey>Seppuku is always dignified
17:10<radsaq>heh
17:11<rcaskey>btw, I saw your post about only mysql.txt being left and had to drop by to quip that it could always be replaced by a soap stream from a web service ;)
17:11<Chutt>heh
17:11<Chutt>yeah
17:11<Chutt>but =)
17:11<Chutt>it's really a lot of added complexity for not much gain
17:13<Chutt>3000 downloads of 0.9.1
17:13* rcaskeystill thinks SLP would be a nice nicety but we have already been over this ;)
17:13<thor_>3000?
17:13<thor_>holy crap
17:13<Chutt>0.8 was at 21k
17:14<rcaskey>I noticed MythWeather started working after a recent dist-upgrade ;)
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17:14<rcaskey>well .8 was on /.
17:14<Snow-Man>Alright, looks like ntp has sync'd up decenlty.
17:14<Snow-Man>decently too.
17:14<billytwowilly>WOOHOO! my tv tuner is working!
17:14<billytwowilly>thanks everyone who has helped me out today.
17:15<Chutt>you helped yourself, mostly :p
17:15<billytwowilly>yah, but a couple people in here pointed me in the right direction;)
17:15<billytwowilly>you know who you are;)
17:16<rcaskey>Chutt: have you heard anything about the finglonger recently?
17:17<Chutt>finglonger?
17:17<rcaskey>KDE LIRC manager
17:18<Chutt>ah
17:18<Chutt>no
17:19<Chutt>thor, hey, nice volume bar in mythmusic
17:19<Chutt>i'd never seen it until a few minutes ago =)
17:19<rcaskey>dunno much more other than its in cvs I thin
17:20<rcaskey>orth's HEAD is supposed to be pretty good but i'm a coward and am running unstable
17:20<Chutt>i use his debs
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17:22<billytwowilly>as an added bonus, my television has the connector on the back that connects with the included cable from my graphics card!;)
17:23<billytwowilly>I probably should have checked that before I spent a couple hundred bucks on hardware;)
17:25<rcaskey>Chutt: any mention of finglonger in apt-cache?
17:25<rcaskey>billytwowilly: s-video?
17:25<rcaskey>does it look kinda like a keyboard port?
17:27<rcaskey>I'v got a cable box that I am a bit frusterated with, it's got 2 ethernet ports, 2 firewire ports, 3 usb ports, and a smartcard reader, all with no functionality in the current firmware
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17:34<rkulagow__>can someone check if this is still prompting for a password? http://www.smalltime.com/bob/pundit/IMG_2139.JPG
17:34<Morph>its not.
17:34<rkulagow__>ok, so you saw a pretty .jpg file?
17:36<Morph>I did.
17:36<rkulagow__>excellent. thanks.
17:36<Morph>sure.
17:37<thor_>Chutt, you testing internal volume controls ?
17:37<Chutt>yeah
17:37<thor_>they .. uhm ... work in stereo now
17:37<Chutt>morph, you're running that pvr contest, right? gotten anything interesting?
17:38<Morph>Chutt: yeah. and ive gotten one entry for GRIP.
17:38<Chutt>grip?
17:38<Chutt>the ripper?
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17:39<thor_>rkulagow, works fine here
17:39<rcaskey>pvr contest? where?
17:39<Morph>I assume so. yeah.
17:39<Chutt>heh
17:41<Chutt>would mythtv contributors be eligible (not myself, as i don't need more hardware)?
17:41<mdz>there's no 'V' in grip
17:41<rcaskey>Morph: do you have a webpage up with info?
17:42<Chutt>rcaskey, look in the competitions section of viaarena.com
17:42<Morph>rcaskey: what Chutt said :)
17:44<rcaskey>Chutt: if you can, enter, and I'll be glad to make you an offer on your booty ;)
17:45<Morph>Chutt can enter.
17:45<rcaskey>I had a nasty incidient where a friend sat on my motherboard recently :(
17:45<thor_>hardware for mdz!
17:46<rcaskey>and there are 5 winners ...
17:49<rkulagow__>snowman: pool.ntp.org is a good NTP source. (http://fortytwo.ch/time/) uses round-robin DNS, so you don't need to look up specific hosts.
17:50<billytwowilly>sorry to be bothorsome once more, but I'm looking at my SPDIF connector on the back of my computer (One spot) and my TV has two RCA connectors that look the same. Does SPDIF=RCA? how do I get stereo sound with only one connector?
17:51<thor_>mini-stero plug (like on walkman headphones) to rca adaptor cable
17:51<thor_>that's two channel
17:51<thor_>if you have a Dolby 5.1/DTS receiver
17:52<thor_>then you need a real spdif to coax cable
17:52rkulagowrkulagow__ Jun 18 17:52:15 <hfb> rcaskey: http://linuxpr.com/releases/5807.html
17:52<mdz>rkulagow__: it's fine unless you care about security :-)
17:52<thor_>(and spdif passthrough in the soundcard)
17:52<billytwowilly>thor_: I'll be plugging it into an old tv for now, but eventually I want to use the SPDIF out on my computer to hook it up to my 5.1 receiver.
17:53<thor_>for now, you want mini-stero plug to rca cable (available everywhere)
17:54<billytwowilly>ok, so do I need some special plug eventually to get stereo sound out of the SPDIF connector on my computer?
17:54<thor_>lot's of ifs
17:54<thor_>if its really a spdif connector
17:55<thor_>if the soundcard/on-board soundcard supports it
17:55<thor_>if linux supports that card
17:55<billytwowilly>I have the biostar m7ncg nforce2 motherboard
17:55<thor_>I have a BMW three series
17:55<billytwowilly>doesn't help me.. oh I get it;) slow day;)
17:55<thor_>how many cup holders?
17:56<billytwowilly>http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/socket_a/m7ncg/index.php3
17:56<thor_>http://www.b,wusa.com
17:56<billytwowilly>there's a link if you want to take a look. It says SPDIF there..
17:56<billytwowilly>and the nforce drivers for linux supposedly support SPDIF out.
17:57<thor_>ok, so if you can sort through the ifs ... then you need to go to a decent computer store and/or order online a (non-optical) spdif to coax (thick rca) cable ... if your recevier takes coax 6 channel input
17:58<billytwowilly>Ok, thanks for the help. I appreciate the help
17:58<thor_>np
18:01<rkulagow__>snowman: lag seems to be gone.
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18:28<jhurliman>is the fontsize for the text in the "bubbles" in the blue theme set by the theme xml file, or the database?
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18:47<zaheer>hey i got dvb working in myth scedule record
18:48<ca1vin>sweet
18:48<zaheer>but livetv is having a prob
19:03<rkulagow__>thor: are you here?
19:04<thor_>yes
19:04<thor_>why do I get the feeling you found a spot where return doesn't work?
19:06<rkulagow__>no, better than that. selected some songs to add to my playlist, went to play music, mythmusic started to paint the screen, started a audio thread, but then hung during the screen paint. nothing is actually filled in other than the borders. once the one song finished playing that was it. mythfrontend is in gdb, but i don't know that that will help.
19:07<thor_>hmmm
19:07<thor_>cvs of how recently?
19:08<rkulagow__>also, it seems like the "cycle visualizer" sometimes picks the same one, because i have to hit the 6 again (sometimes more than once) before it picks something different.
19:08<rkulagow__>wait one on the CVS please.
19:08<rkulagow__>i guess i wasn't current, because playbackbox was just updated during a cvs update.
19:08<rkulagow__>let me recompile and see.
19:09<thor_>if it's only playbackbox that probably won't help
19:09<thor_>you still have the hung one in gdb?
19:14<rkulagow__>sorry - had to listen to "YMCA" with anya. i've had it happen before though; i believe it happens when i start mythmusic and add a song to the default playlist, then go and start playing it.
19:15<thor_>hang on, firs things first, are you saying your daughter's name is anya?
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19:22<rkulagow__>yes
19:23<thor_>Hmm, anagram with one character substitution (my daughter's name is Yara)
19:23<thor_>I'm trying to reproduce your error here
19:23<thor_>do you start with an empty active queue (or does it matter)?
19:27<rkulagow__>sorry, bbl. dinner.
19:27<thor_>k
19:28<rkulagow__>btw, i was able to alt-tab during the crash. there were about 30 threads if that matters.
19:28<rkulagow__>now i'l bbl.
19:28<thor_>k
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19:36<mechou>Hey, anyone here know much about nvtv?
19:37<zaheer>i use nvtv
19:38<mechou>zaheer: what tv-out chip do you have on your nvidai card?
19:39<zaheer>chrontel i think its called
19:39<mechou>zaheer: my problem is that when my computer boots, the tv geometry is not centered, amongst other problems.
19:40<zaheer>my problem is i cant get it to fill my tv scrren completely without going over
19:41<mechou>zaheer: I'm talking even "text mode." My chip is a philips, has vivo (a mistake, BTW) and I think is really PAL even though it can do NTSC.
19:42<mechou>zaheer: Does nvtv help your overscan problem once you're in X?
19:43<zaheer>i dint even get text mode on my tv
19:44<mechou>What gen is your nvidia card? Geforce2/3, etc.
19:45<zaheer>geforce2 mx
19:46<Captain_Murdoch>Advanced recording options screen is now turned on in CVS if anybody cares.. :)
19:47<mechou>hmm, not sure if geforce2 mx can boot w/ tv text mode. I'm not sure even if the card bios supports text mode, that would be a sufficient condition...
19:48<thor_>Captian_Murdoch, woo hooo!
19:48<thor_>Captain, as well
19:48<zaheer>ya, i just got the cheapest tv-out card that linux supported
19:48<Captain_Murdoch>can do weekslot recordings now as well as easily change the recording profile used for a particular sheduled recording.
19:49<thor_>did you really do something to xmlparse.cpp ?
19:49<Captain_Murdoch>mdz did most of the work a while back I think, I just picked it up and debugged.
19:49<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, had to modify it to pick up the weekslot png file.
19:49<zaheer>so different progs can use different compression levels?
19:49<Captain_Murdoch>for hte epg
19:49<thor_>ah
19:49<thor_>got you
19:49<mechou>zaheer: so here's the question: can you script tv geometry adjustments in nvtv (i.e. w/o manual intervention)?
19:49<Captain_Murdoch>zaheer, yes. the functionality was there, but no easy way to change it other than modifying the db directly. now you can do it onscreen.
19:50<zaheer>Captain_Murdoch: : cool!
19:50<Captain_Murdoch>thank mdz for that, I just debugged and tested it some.
19:50<zaheer>mechoi: once u have the geometry u want, scrren u like using nvtv...it can be saved
19:51<zaheer>i would like ramon roca's manual recording app in cvs :)
19:51<Chutt>it's going in eventually
19:52<zaheer>much more useful than the current manual record
19:52<mechou>zaheer: so when you start your comp, you call a script like "nvtv -t savedsettings.txt"?
19:53<zaheer>mechou: i dont knwo the syntax, but yes u can run all the stuff commandline
19:53<zaheer>once u know what to give nvtv
19:53* Captain_Murdochis glad that Myth defaults to setting the video window to the gui size now for when he's watching tv while coding.
19:54<Chutt>heh
19:54<Chutt>there's no other setting now :p
19:55<Captain_Murdoch>I like it this way. I can watch a video at 800x600 while surrounding the video window with aterm's.
19:56<mechou>zaheer: "nvtv -h" doesn't mention anything about saved settings, especially about the geometry offsets. Any chance you can give the relevant command line option?
19:56<Chutt>it makes a lot more sense, really
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19:56<Captain_Murdoch>yeah, sometimes it might be nice to view the video at the actual recorded res, but it's no big deal.
19:57<zaheer>mechou: i cant recall but i do remember reading socs on it
19:58<Chutt>ah, you committed stuff
19:58<Chutt>i'll check that all out =)
19:58<Captain_Murdoch>yeah. thought you saw me announce it here. :)
19:58<Chutt>i was out
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19:59<Chutt>didn't bother reading the scroll back
19:59<thor_>Chutt, you do need backend running to run music now (I think)
19:59<Shado07>Anyone running MythTv on a Nvidia card/Nvidia X?
19:59<thor_>technically
19:59<Captain_Murdoch>My yahoo! chat app has a resizable split-screen window so you can scroll back in the upper window without missing new stuff in the lower window.
20:00<Chutt>thor, technically, but that will be changing soon
20:00<Chutt>i'm going to make it only connect to the backend when it needs to
20:00<thor_>ah
20:00<thor_>good
20:00<thor_>can't count the number of times I've changed a library, run something, backend not running
20:00<Chutt>yeah
20:00<Chutt>i know =)
20:01<thor_>or backend is running, so I'm not sure if the library "install" took
20:05<zaheer>mechou: i think ure right about geomtry offsets...nothing in nvtv to allow u to set it automatically by looks of it
20:06<mechou>zaheer: yeah thanks. I thought this was the case. I can run everything else cmdline but to shift screen left/right/up/down no joy.
20:10<mechou>zaheer: I'm wondering if this geometry offset can be manipulated in XF86Config-4 in the display section.
20:10<zaheer>dunno the nvidia driver options...
20:13<mechou>What I really need is to find a way that the nividia card boots centered text mode on TV. Then there won't be a need for nvtv for me...
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20:18<zaheer>time for mwe to sleep
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20:59<rkulagow_>thor, are you here?
21:00<thor_>yup
21:00<rkulagow_>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
21:00<rkulagow_>[Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 3324)]
21:00<rkulagow_>0x411ef8bc in SDL_UnRLESurface () from /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0
21:00<rkulagow_>(gdb)
21:00<thor_>uh oh
21:00<thor_>SDL crap
21:00<rkulagow_>paused goom when it was fullscreen, ate dinner.
21:00<thor_>don't do that
21:00<thor_>=)
21:00<jkolb>What service. Fixed within a minute!
21:01<rkulagow_>came back, hit ESC. mythmusic screen came up, but was unresponsive. ALT-TAB, mythfrontend had segfaulted
21:01<thor_>hmmm
21:01<rkulagow_>still have it in gdb
21:01<thor_>problem is I don't understand the SDL stuff
21:01<thor_>but if you can put it in a text file
21:01<thor_>and post it somewhere
21:02<thor_>I can have a look at it and if I can't solve it
21:02<rkulagow_>ok, the above + the bt info, correct?
21:02<thor_>I can at least push the URL at Chutt
21:02<thor_>bt full
21:03<thor_>are there like 8 million threads around again?
21:05<rkulagow_>during this segfault, there are only three. but when i scrollback, there are threads 3330 to 3423 (almost 100)
21:06<rkulagow_>sorry, LWPs 3330 to 3423
21:06<rkulagow_>(gdb) info threads
21:06<rkulagow_> 54 Thread 852021 (LWP 3423) 0x4095ca04 in __pthread_sigsuspend
21:06<rkulagow_> () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
21:06<rkulagow_> 53 Thread 835636 (LWP 3422) 0x4095ca04 in __pthread_sigsuspend
21:06<rkulagow_> () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
21:06<rkulagow_> 2 Thread 32769 (LWP 3327) 0x40b5e127 in poll ()
21:06<rkulagow_> from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
21:06<rkulagow_>* 1 Thread 16384 (LWP 3324) 0x411ef8bc in SDL_UnRLESurface ()
21:06<rkulagow_> from /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0
21:06<rkulagow_>so, 4 threads in this run.
21:08<thor_>hmmm
21:08<thor_>sometimes I really wish I knew what I was doing
21:08<rkulagow_>anything you want me to do in gdb, or should i whack it?
21:09<thor_>you've got a text grab of bt full
21:09<thor_>if so, then whack it
21:10<rkulagow_>ok, i'll see if i can tickle the other bug. for now, don't pause visualizations. got it.
21:10<thor_>I've got one paused here to see if I can produce the same thing ...
21:10<thor_>ah ha
21:10<thor_>doesn't take long actually
21:10<thor_>hrm
21:11<rkulagow_>yay, reproducible bug!
21:11<thor_>only in SDL ones
21:11<thor_>as farkin usual
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21:20<rkulagow_>ok, let me try to break something else. do you still want that bt since you can reproduce it?
21:20<thor_>no, I got it
21:20<thor_>thanks
21:20<thor_>I mean I can break it
21:21<thor_>only happens if you hit 4/ESC to go back to player screen without unpausing
21:27<Shado07>Anyone running MythTv on a Nvidia card/Nvidia X?
21:28<mechou>S07: Doesn't virtually everybody who does mythtv do this?
21:29<thor_>a good percentage, yes
21:31<thor_>rkulagow, I have a workaround in CVS for this
21:31<thor_>just commited
21:31<rkulagow_>ok, bbl
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21:49<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, you around?
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22:02<Chutt>yeah
22:02<GreyFoxx>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2736844337&category=3761
22:02<GreyFoxx>Hahah he uses it's compatibility with MythTV to sell his tuner
22:03<GreyFoxx>And a presetup Linux CD for MythTV :)
22:03<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt, what do you think about adding a start_offset and end_offset fields to the record table to allow specifying starting/ending offsets per record item?
22:03<stealthboy>shipping is *only* $19.99. what a rip
22:03<GreyFoxx>Yeah
22:03<Chutt>ask mdz
22:04<Captain_Murdoch>GreyFoxx: I think he's had them on there before.
22:04<Captain_Murdoch>Chutt: ok
22:04<Chutt>he's been looking into changing some of the scheduler stuff
22:04<thor_>Ah, capitalism
22:04<Captain_Murdoch>ok. seems easy to do as long as you don't mind conflicts. coding the recorder to stop/start on time to not conflict will be harder.
22:05<GreyFoxx>None of the local stores cary the pvr 250's :/ So I'm gonna try and pick one up when I'm in Kansas next week
22:06<GreyFoxx>Hopefully I can find a well stocked computer store :)
22:07<stealthboy>GreyFoxx: buy.com has it for $136
22:09<GreyFoxx>Cool. I'm thinking of picking up one of these as well rather than deal with a card with tvout : http://www.aitech.com/wc_plus-details.htm
22:09<Chutt>i wouldn't look to a pvr-250 as a replacement for cpu power
22:09<GreyFoxx>I'm gather the components for a total new system
22:09<stealthboy>i'm getting a compile error in the current MythGallery; looks like a missing QT function: iconview.cpp:464: no matching function for call to `QDir::refresh()'. Anyone else getting this?
22:10<GreyFoxx>dedicated to just this: And maybe some diskless frontends
22:11<mechou>speaking of diskless, anyone done a diskless (BE&FE) mythtv box?
22:11<thor_>stealthboy, looks like there's some Qt 3.1.x stuff in there
22:11<GreyFoxx>I made a fe just tonight to boot of a partition served up by my current be
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22:12<stealthboy>thor_: yeah, that's not good. i have 3.0.5
22:12<stealthboy>thor_: should I bring this up on -dev?
22:12<mechou>GF:what CPU & memory size?
22:12<thor_>stealthboy, it's new code, and Don (?) probably hasn't realized it's 3.1.x
22:12<stealthboy>thor_: ok, i'll mail him
22:12<GreyFoxx>256Megs of ram, and a 800mhz cpu on the front end. So far I've only played mp3's and videos via mplayer
22:13<Chutt>dennis lou
22:13<thor_>Dennis
22:13<Chutt>is the guy working on mythgallery
22:13<thor_>knew it was a D
22:13<stealthboy>k, thx
22:13<Chutt>if i remember, i'll look at it
22:13<mechou>GF: you using pxeboot?
22:14<GreyFoxx>Nope, a boot floppy with lilo and kernel options to do NFSROOT
22:14<mechou>GF, well that works ;-)
22:14<rcaskey>IBM has the best commercials these days
22:14<GreyFoxx> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/nfsroot.txt or something like that.
22:15<rcaskey>I need to get me some of that pixie dust stuff
22:15<GreyFoxx>I was thinking of etherboot which I use to use for a web cluster
22:15<GreyFoxx>but I didn't feal like making the rom so I went the lilo route :)
22:15<thor_>rcaskey, just don't get it from Global Services
22:15<GreyFoxx>I'm statically coding the IP to it right now, but it wouldn;t be hard to do via tftp/dhcp+nfs
22:16<rcaskey>thor_: nahh, I think I'll find a local dealer
22:17<mechou>GF: between me and my family we've got 6 comps. Administration is a PITA. I'm just not so sure diskess clients would make my life any easier...
22:17<thor_>rcaskey, I worked for IBM Business Consulting for about a week once
22:17<rcaskey>mechou: my family boxen all run xp except for my woody server and my sid laptop
22:18<mechou>rcaskey: how does xp make your life any easier?
22:18<rcaskey>roaming user profiles
22:19<rcaskey>good hardware support
22:19<rcaskey>runs mozilla, xchat, and friends
22:19<ahbritto>Chutt: I am looking at a backtrace for a hung mythfrontend and don't see anything useful, suggestions?
22:20<ahbritto>All the processes are in nanosleep. But one is std::__simple_alloc
22:20<mechou>rcaskey: my problem is keeping all sowtware between boxes in sync
22:21<rcaskey>whats your problem in specific?
22:22<GreyFoxx>I don't suppose there is any change of basic mouse support will make it into MythTV ?:)
22:22<thor_>it might
22:22<Ripp>d*it how can I get xft out of my list for emerge world -u?
22:23<mechou>rcaskey, well, for example, just talking my own comps, I've got to keep my "dedicated" HTPC and desktop box in sync since I like doing the same things on both.
22:23<GreyFoxx>I've got a wireless rf mouse/keyboard from gyration and the 3d ouse would be nifty to use
22:23<thor_>GreyFoxx, I'm fiddling with on-screen button presses for touchscreen support
22:24<thor_>a mouse is a fairly trivial extension of that
22:24<mechou>rcaskey: and we all know how temperamental HTPC apps can be...
22:24<rcaskey>if its just two machines just install everything twice or use a comming /usr dir
22:24<rcaskey>you could mount /usr via nfs right?
22:24<GreyFoxx>Cool. I'd love to use this thing for it too. That way I can keep the mouse and keyboard together :)
22:24<thor_>don't hold your breath ... but I am fiddling with it
22:24<mechou>yup, do that already....
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22:25<GreyFoxx>thor_: I've been playing with a backend daemon to trap the mouse events and if it sees enough movement to simulate up/down and left/right
22:25<mechou>so I d'l linux updates, d'l windoze updates...
22:26<GreyFoxx>After I rewrite it it might be usable :)
22:27<thor_>GreyFox, that's all you need (up, down, left, right) plus a button for Space/Enter and one for ESC. Sounds like you're done (no need for an onscreen pointer)
22:27<mechou>and after you d'l updates ya gotta make sure everything still works....
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22:27<GreyFoxx>Thor it "works" I just thought it would be nicer to have a onscreen target like pointer
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22:28<GreyFoxx>I've mapped button 1 to enter, 2 to esc
22:28<GreyFoxx>Hehe I'll try a opera like mouse movement for esc and make button 2 be space :)
22:29<mdz_>Captain_Murdoch: if you're turning that on, don't forget to re-enable the bit to create a new profile
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22:41<Captain_Murdoch>mdz, yeah, forgot that. did that code work OK?
22:42<mdz_>Captain_Murdoch: yes
22:42<mdz_>I used it a bunch
22:43<Captain_Murdoch>ok, and that's easy as uncommenting this one line it looks like.
22:44<Captain_Murdoch>recompiling now and will commit in a couple minutes.
22:48<extremis>ntsc is US format right?
22:48<extremis>PAL is eu?
22:48<stealthboy>extremis: right
22:48<thor_>more or less
22:48<extremis>hah, my geforce4 card came configured for PAL by default
22:48<extremis>and I bought it in the US
22:49<extremis>odd
22:51<Captain_Murdoch>"Create New Profile" re-enabled in setup.
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22:54<Chutt>make sure it works right and stuff =)
22:55* Captain_Murdochpoints at mdz and says "he said it does." :)
22:55* Captain_Murdochgoes off to double-check
22:55<Chutt>heh
22:55<Chutt>thanks
22:55<Chutt>i disabled it since it was doing odd things, i think
22:55<Chutt>like, check the console for strange output
22:55<rkulagow__>why is everyone a captain? captain murdoch, captain proton and captmidnight. see, look at what you've started!
22:56<thor_>Kangaroo
22:56<thor_>!
22:57<rkulagow__>moving laptop, brb.
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22:57<thor_>Chutt, think that's what you wanted for videotree
22:57<Chutt>yeah
22:57<Chutt>cool =)
22:57<Chutt>should just make it a little more obvious
22:57<thor_>yup ... although people may not like the colour
22:58<thor_>(but they can change it)
22:58<Captain_Murdoch>bug with saving the name on the profile creator. looking at it now.
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22:58<rkulagow__>ok, rest easy, i'm back.
22:58<thor_>phew!
22:59<rkulagow__>thor, looks like your "thor, thor, it hurts when i do this" "well, don't do that then" commit works.
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23:01<mdz_>Captain_Murdoch: correction: I said it _did_
23:01<Kuwanger>Hello.
23:02<mdz_>all the captains confuse nick completion
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23:03<Captain_Murdoch>mdz: :) I'm looking into it now. it's not setting the new name right, trying to save it with "Default" as the name which causes an sql error.
23:04<Captain_Murdoch>I'm captain Murdoch cause I'm weird like Murdoch on the A-Team. :)
23:05-!-rkulagow__ is now known as capt_rkulagow
23:05<capt_rkulagow>i'm capt_rkulagow because i used to be an O-3
23:05<capt_rkulagow>and i'm weird like that.
23:05-!-capt_rkulagow is now known as rkulagow__
23:05<rkulagow__>ok, enough of that silliness.
23:07-!-Colonel_Bigguy [bigman@h19.44.102.166.ip.alltel.net] has joined #mythtv
23:07<Colonel_Bigguy>I wanted to be different
23:07<Colonel_Bigguy>:)
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23:08<extremis>ugh, lame it seems that there is no physical jumper on this geforce4 to change it to NTSC, its software selectable
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23:09<Kuwanger>Hmm..still can't find the nuv patch for mplayer.
23:10<bigguy>http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/mythtv/mplayer-0.90pre10+mythtv.patch
23:11<Kuwanger>Thanks.
23:11<bigguy>no problem
23:12<thor_>rkulagow, what's an O-3?
23:12<Kuwanger>Now I just have to wait to get the sources again.
23:12<Kuwanger>:(
23:13<rkulagow__>officer grade three. 2nd lieutenant is an O-1, 1st Lieutenant is an O-2, Captain is O-3, Major is O-4, etc, etc.
23:14<thor_>ah ...
23:14<thor_>I mean, sir ah, sir
23:15<rkulagow__>as you were, canadian. and enough of the sir sandwiches.
23:15<rkulagow__>=)
23:16<Kuwanger>Cool..remote starcraft watching.
23:16<thor_>I was in the Pentagon late last week ... mildly unsettling
23:18<extremis>hey chutt, are you alive?
23:19<bline>he died late last week ... at the Pentagon
23:19<extremis>hah
23:20<rkulagow__>i always managed to stay out of washington and in the field. never liked the bureaucracy.
23:21<extremis>well he asked me to check out qtconfig to see if the font was fucke dup
23:21<extremis>but its not
23:21<extremis>so that doesn't explain why mythtv 's font is unreadable in /usr/share/mythtv/setup
23:21<thor_>extremis, you getting tiny fonts?
23:21<extremis>its too small to read
23:21<extremis>yes
23:22<thor_>do an xpyinfo | grep inch
23:22<thor_>sorry
23:22<thor_>xdpyinfo | grep inch
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23:22<extremis> resolution: 42x39 dots per inch
23:22<thor_>that would be part of your problem
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23:23<thor_>fiddle with your XF86Config
23:23<thor_>you need entries for ...
23:23<thor_>DisplaySize
23:24<thor_>in Section "Monitor"
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23:24<thor_>fiddle with them until xdpyinfo says you're at 100x100 dpi
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23:25<extremis>so if my tv is 47" then I should do the appropriate millimeters?
23:25<thor_>nope
23:26<thor_>you should trick X into believing you're at 100 x 100
23:26<thor_>no matter what your tv's size
23:26<extremis>hrm, is there math for that givin the resolution?
23:26<thor_>probably
23:26<extremis>I'd like to run at 800x600
23:27<thor_>stick a number in, try it, move it up or down
23:27<thor_>worked for me
23:27<extremis>or whatever works well on a widescreen
23:27<extremis>hehe
23:27<thor_>=)
23:28<extremis>what value are you using?
23:29<thor_>uhm
23:30<thor_>I don't have a display at 800 x 600
23:31<extremis>thats fine, I'm using 640x480 now
23:31<extremis>what are you using?
23:31<thor_>for 640x480 ...
23:32<thor_>160 120
23:32<extremis>so 'Option "DisplaySize" "160x120"' ?
23:32<thor_>no
23:32<thor_>Section "Monitor"
23:33<thor_> DisplaySize 160 120
23:33<thor_> blah
23:33<thor_>EndSection
23:33<yourface>does REdhat come with qt-devel?
23:34<extremis> DisplaySize 380 310
23:34<extremis>thats what I have now
23:34<extremis>so should I go up?
23:34<thor_>down
23:34<thor_>dpi up
23:35<thor_>size down
23:35<extremis>ok
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23:36<extremis> resolution: 101x101 dots per inch
23:36<extremis>almost...
23:36<thor_>should be good enough
23:37<extremis>its the same for 800x600
23:37<extremis>odd
23:39<extremis>hrm, the black behind "mythTV" is rough
23:39<extremis>looks bad
23:41<extremis>hrm, now to figure out my video device
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23:50<billytwowilly>hi, I'm trying to get sound to work according to the documentation. I try to start kmix and I get ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found.
23:50<billytwowilly>Please check that the soundcard is installed and that
23:50<billytwowilly>the soundcard driver is loaded" however I get sound playing through the soundcard if I don't then mute the line in. Any ideas? If I mute the line in and set it to record I get no sound at all.
23:53<rkulagow__>instead of using kmix, try using amixer from the command line. what's ls -l /dev/mi* show?
23:54<billytwowilly>/dev/mixer
23:54<billytwowilly>/dev/misc
23:54<billytwowilly>/dev/mixer is a link to sound/mixer
23:54<rkulagow__>ok, so you do have a mixer.
23:54<billytwowilly>yep;)
23:55<billytwowilly>the command line amixer stuff doesn't work either. let me try it again and I'll get you the exact error.
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23:55<Shado07>Anyone have an install with Nvidia drivers & Nvidia X Server working?
23:56<billytwowilly>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
23:56<billytwowilly>Shado07: I'm almost there;)
23:56<billytwowilly>Nvidia X server?
23:57<Shado07>Yah
23:57<Shado07>Needed it in order to make the video output work right for us..
23:57<billytwowilly>you mean xfree86 with the nvidia drivers?
23:57<Shado07>Um.. I think so, cousin installed it
23:57<billytwowilly>did you get the drivers from nvidia website? the .run file is incredibly easy to install
23:57<Shado07>yeah
23:58<billytwowilly>what's the prob?
23:58<Shado07>I used the RPM installs and got everything rolling... and then I went to config it and Segfault
23:58<Shado07>no matter what I do
23:58<Shado07>I'm about to re-install the box and do it non-rpm
23:58<billytwowilly>what distro?
23:58<Shado07>RH9
23:58<rkulagow__>bilyy: what distro are you running, and what sound card?
23:58<billytwowilly>mandrake 9.1
23:59<billytwowilly>nvidia audio on this nforce board.
23:59<rkulagow__>what's in your /etc/modules.conf?